Recording.

Yes.

Yeah.

Hey everybody.

Good evening.

Evening.

Hello.

Well, we're struggling a bit with quorum, but um, we're just talking about what we can do without a quorum.

I mean, I can drive over if you need me there.

How long would it take?

Fifteen minutes.

Uh I have not actually.

I mean, Dan last week said he was you'd be here, right?

And then um Matt just sent me an email kind of unrelated to this.

Dan typically comes a little bit late, so he's always going to get quite it.

So okay, well, why don't we see what some of the other we can do everything except the public comment and there's nobody online anyway.

So all right.

So I'll call this uh meeting to order and welcome everyone.

Um first order businesses.

Oh, I forgot to first read the soon.

Yeah.

Okay.

The June 17, 2026 meeting of the transportation commission.

It's being held in person at twenty-nine hundred business center drive in electronically.

Members of the transportation commission and staff are participating in person and from remote locations to video conference call on Zoom.

The meeting can be accessed by the public in person or via Zoom.

Could it also be a uh phone call?

I remember in some context, you need to do a phone call.

I think you can call into the zoom.

You just call in the video with the right.

Yeah.

And uh Commissioner McManus is also on the okay.

So the first item on our agenda is public comment.

Um actually, because we don't have corner wiki.

Whoa we can skip that for now.

Okay.

All right.

And uh um and does that require going into a public hearing to uh take the public comment?

Or that's separate.

No, but you need to just close the public hearing.

So we'll we'll just get one.

Okay.

So next, I guess we should take considered the minutes of the main meeting.

Can we do that?

Yes.

Sure.

Okay.

So um the very last other business is references uh length commissioner blank for a service.

I would just add either Mr.

X or Kane, whichever.

All right.

But then we will wait to improving the meeting.

Yes.

Which brings us to the public hearing on the um Go Alex Alex budget and work plan.

And it's another one we should point out.

Right.

Yeah.

And so we should wait on the uh discussion on this farm uploading.

Um we can start with that.

Yeah.

So yeah, yeah.

So we can start.

And actually, if you can sit closer to the mic together.

Yeah.

And so we're up to uh commissioner updates.

No, no, no, no, we're gonna build right.

Yeah, because there's no vote recording.

Yeah, right.

Okay.

Okay, good evening, everyone.

I'm Hillary Lower.

I'm the dedicated director of transportation.

Um, so I'm happy to share with you all tonight um what we have been building and are continuing to build um for our smarter transportation system across Alexandria.

So um for more than a decade now, we've really been laying the kind of groundwork for all of things that we talk about in our smart mobility program and trying to not just adopt technology for the sake of technology, but really transforming how we manage our transportation system to make it more efficient and safe and more responsive to the needs of our community, and so to get there, uh we've kind of created like a layered strategy starting from the ground up.

And so I'll kind of go through the strategy and then I can I'll touch on some of the projects that we're working on right now.

So starting with the foundation, um, this is really the investment that we put into our physical infrastructure that supports everything else.

So this is meaning we're installing a robust fiber backbone across the city, expanding our CCTV coverage, building out our traffic management center, and um, we're still working on these.

We're in phase four of our uh ITS, which is mostly fiber and connecting our signals, but we've spent over 20 million dollars of grant funding to lay this, uh lay this groundwork.

And this is going to allow us to remotely monitor and control our signals, but really transmit a large quantity of of data and prepare for future smart mobility technologies.

So we weren't always clear what those would be, but we knew that if we laid that fiber backbone, it would set us up for success, whatever the technologies were.

So the next layer um is what we call our connected infrastructure layer, and these are technologies that directly interface with the foundation and allow us to manage our traffic in real time.

Um, they also help us improve safety.

Um, and the goal is that we can seamlessly kind of integrate with our emergent tools kind of across the different modes that we're using, and so we're trying to use this to reduce delays, prioritize our transit and emergency vehicles, um, and better manage our our parking systems.

Um, so next is what we call our smart applications layer, and so this is where we move beyond the hardware and kind of into more of the real-time data collection through sensors.

This is the layer that doesn't rely on wires to connect things.

Um, it's leveraging data from things like sensors, digital inventories of our assets and curves, and our shared mobility to get insights into the physical environment around us.

So it's helping us with our operations and planning and trying to give us more of a real-time picture of what's happening on our streets and not just where vehicles are, but how people are moving.

And then we have the cloud intelligence later because collecting all of this data is only useful if we can make sense of it.

And so that's where this layer comes in.

This is where um we're kind of analyzing and transforming all the data that we're getting from these tools into actionable insights, and and so we work with the Virginia Tech Smart Mobility Lab and we've created a data exchange platform with them, and it's really trying to build a centralized space for analytics.

This is where we're using AI and dashboards and predictive analytics to help us make better decision making.

So we're taking this raw data that we get, get a lot of raw data, and we would otherwise not know what to do with it.

Um, but we're able to use this kind of layer to turn it into meaningful insights that help us make better decisions, and then lastly is our virtual city layer, which is really the ultimate goal of kind of the smart mobility program.

Um, this is also kind of what we're calling our digital twin project.

So, this is also in partnership with Virginia Tech, where we're working to create kind of a real-time predictive model of Alexandria's transportation systems.

So, the goal here is that we're able to simulate scenarios, manage our assets better, and move from a more reactive approach to a truly proactive one.

Um, so there's a lot of data out there, there's a lot that we're bringing in, and we want to use it.

And so kind of thinking about our environment is this digital model, it'll help us understand how all that data integrates.

So, right, like right now, we get bike share data and we get scooter data and we get traffic data, but all that data is not going into one place and tying in to give us insights across all of those modes.

And so that's really the goal of uh what we want to do with our our digital twin project.

And so, just to dive into a couple of the projects, um, so we have smart quarter quarters, and it's really about kind of modernizing how our traffic signals operate so that we can move people more efficiently and we can respond to changes in real time.

So, two major corridors are under construction right now.

Um, we have more coming.

Um, but you know, what this what our smart quarters are doing is our traditionally our traffic signals operate on kind of a fixed timing um platform and they don't always reflect what's happening on the street.

So our adaptive technology, it allows our signals to change in real time in response to what's happening with um with the traffic, and we're trying to kind of build this foundation for a city traffic management um kind of system that will allow us to adjust in real time to what's happening.

Um, so we we can't build more roads on the street, so we're trying to figure out how we can more efficiently move people in a smarter way.

Um, next we have a lot of smart signals um projects.

The smart quarters are also smart signal signals, but um this is where we're trying to use our technology to prioritize the movement of different groups of people.

So our transit riders and emergency vehicle, um, our emergency vehicles, making sure that they're spending less time at red lights and they're able to uh get through sooner.

Um our new communication system, we're hoping that this will improve reliability of our transit and also help us manage our our network better.

And so the great thing about some of the work we're doing with these technologies is that in addition to getting the transit signal priority and the emergency vehicle preemption, we're getting real-time data at all of the intersections where we're deploying it.

So we'll have traffic counts, turn movements, pedestrian, bicycle, all the volumes, um, and though all this data will eventually feed into the larger city model.

Um, but through these grants that we've received for these specific projects, we also can now leverage and get a bunch of data.

Um, the next one is our digital curve.

It's obviously our curve is one of our most valuable and limited assets, and we need better tools to manage it.

So, you know, right now we have a lot of different parking regulations on our street, but we also have our curve is supporting a lot of different types of users.

So, not only parking and storing vehicles, but deliveries ride share, transit, micro mobility, um, and all these needs are kind of competing for the same space.

And so having a digital curve will give us real-time information about occupancy and how our curves are being used and uh better data for decision making, but it also set us up to connect with autonomous vehicles as they come online and connect with different emerging parking technologies.

So there's a lot of vendors out there doing really cool stuff with parking technologies and having the uh curved data specification CDS outlined allows us to interact with those different companies and think about how we manage parking enforcement, how we understand what's happening with parking occupancy, and it'll give us better tools for managing the curve.

Um, smart scan is our uh USDOT smart grant project where we are trying to move from a more reactive maintenance approach to more proactive asset management.

So historically, we've relied on inspections and uh resident reports about what's happening on our streets and a pavement condition index that we do every three years, and as you know, as residents, we have a lot of utilities happening up our streets, so that is very quickly out of date.

Um, so by looking at different technologies that scan our roadways, one give us a kind of a digital inventory of our assets that feeds into the larger digital twin.

Um, but we're also able to understand on a in a more real-time environment where we need to maintain our streets and plan our pavement uh plan our pavement um outlook and capital budgeting for what that looks like in in a more data-driven way.

So with this project, we're actually testing for companies right now.

We're working with Virginia Tech, they're ground-truting the data and helping us understand if we want to scale up, what does that look like and which companies are the best fit for us?

And it's been actually really interesting because we're looking at the data piece of it, but we're trying to we're looking beyond the data.

What we're seeing is how easy this equipment is to install, how easy it is to use, what the dashboard platforms look like, all of that is equally as important as the data.

So even if the data is only 75 or 80% accurate, maybe that's good enough if the tool is easy for us to use, right?

Like maybe we don't need to know that centimeters is a pothole, we just need to know that one exists and we need to go fill it.

So we're we're evaluating a lot of things beyond just the reliability of the data.

Then lastly, bring it all back to our digital twin.

It's a culmination of all of these investments that we're putting together and trying to create this virtual representation of our transportation that combines all of this data that we're getting from our signals, from our micromobility, from our parking or transit and all of our other sources so that we can model future scenarios and um make better decisions and ultimately help us provide safer and more efficient resilient transportation infrastructure.

I think that's the last slide.

Yeah.

Cool.

Okay, so that's our that's our program and the projects we have going on.

We're very busy.

Thank you, Hillary, for this.

I I'm always excited when I hear about this because there's some really cool stuff buried in there.

And so I've got several comments, questions uh tied in here.

I I think the first comment is this morning.

I was actually sitting on the Lee Road at Potomac Avenue watching the traffic signal work and wondering, well, is it gonna detect me in this process?

And it worked perfect.

It was it was really pretty cool to see the bus signal and then that changed, and all of a sudden the light changed, and I I was the only vehicle there, so I was able to get across on my bike.

So I think when that works, it's it's terrific.

And I've also seen other places where, like on uh Van Dorn at Teen Teeny Avenue, where it seems the light now is getting tiny avenue a lot more time.

So I'm seeing more uh this early in the morning traffic backing up on uh northbound Van Dorn.

I get on at home jump.

Uh and I'm and I know I talked to Ryan one time, he said they were having some challenges with some of this because some of the equipment didn't quite match up with the uh new technology.

But you got do you guys have a sense of when some of the stuff will actually be fully functional?

Yeah, I don't, I mean, for the adaptive, we're not, I don't think it'll be until at least um early 2027.

So we're we're putting all the equipment out there, but a lot of the detection equipment is not out there yet.

So um we're we're asking the community to please be patient as we do these installations because we're having to go back behind and update a lot of the existing signal infrastructure and connect them in and make sure that it's working, but the whole system's not going to work together until we kind of have everything ready and can put that switch.

Got it.

So that kind of lays into something else because I routinely see people complaining about the city is doing nothing about traffic or this.

And yet this is one of those projects that really I think you all should figure out a way to better publicize it.

So, like when you're getting the data from these scans and stuff, you know, maybe there's stuff that can be shared with the uh public to let them know kind of what what you guys are doing and that you all aren't just simply trying to destroy the city in the process.

And this I think is one of those things that uh should really have a nice light shown on it because I think you this is really cutting edge and uh you know getting that information out to the broader public.

And I know that's always a challenge, but I I think it'd be useful to try to figure out how to publicize some of what we even heard uh tonight to the to the great public might help you guys a bit uh on that.

Yeah, if you have suggestions too.

I mean, we we did some social posts when we went out and did the scanning and had in in-car ride-alongs and stuff, but you know, not everybody follows us on social media.

And so if you all have suggestions, I mean, we we talked about this nationally all over the place.

So Alexandra is known very well as is a leader in this space nationally, but our own community isn't always aware of what we're doing.

So um welcome thoughts on how we might you know this in a in a one of the things that's come up even to the uh city council is you know, having some kind of newsletter or something that is more than social media that so that it gets beyond the people.

So for instance, I don't use Facebook.

So if you post something on Facebook, I wouldn't have a clue.

If you post on blue sky, I might see it.

But um, so you know, there's lots of social media out there.

Not everyone uses all of it.

Uh anyway, I I think this is something really worth uh publicizing.

So I have a question about the the scanning that's being done now, and particularly what Virginia Tech is possibly looking at.

When they share some of the data, are you guys discovering things that you didn't realize that you could kind of see, or are there some insights to the data that you're already starting to see?

Um, so we're just now diving in on the data.

We did the first round of collection in early March before we did Padopalooza, and then we did it again at the end of April after the potholes have been filled.

So they're comparing a lot of that.

I think we're gonna do one more scan.

It's incredibly interesting.

From the time we started this project, we were really thinking about just getting pavement condition and potholes.

And by the time we did our call for innovation to see what firms were interested in, what they could provide, it's it's every single fire hydrant we can digitize, every single traffic sign, pavement markings, and all of these assets they're now detecting.

And so um, yeah, I mean, the technology is just evolving so quickly that even though where we are with these companies, there's still more companies reaching out saying, like, we can do this and we can do this, and we can go bigger, and Google's doing things, and I'm like, is this all going to be free the way you know on a platform, the way Street View was right?

So it's just it's moving very, very quickly.

But I think for us, we need to figure out which system is going to best integrate with our existing asset management so that if it if we detect a pothole, it's automatically generating a work order and then routing our teams in the right way to go fix that.

So it there's there's a lot to think about, and the more we find, the more we have to figure out how to integrate that as well.

But yes, it's there's a lot.

So one of the things I was thinking that'd be really neat to detect is detours, uh, particularly the sidewalk rate tours, because you know that's a bone of contention for me in and trying to identify all the uh detours and helping the inspectors know that this contractor doesn't have a you know an appropriate detour, it's fallen apart for for whatever reason.

So is that something also that these people could possibly be scanning?

Is that kind of well?

So we're looking at equipment that goes on city fleet vehicles, right?

So um we are outfitting our fleet vehicles right now with a new technology that is also saying they can they can detect work zones, and we then get could get a report every morning about which work zones are out there and make sure that they're right and that they're laid out correctly.

And so there are there is a lot of new technology that can do a lot more with work zones.

This particular project was not necessarily looking at work zones, but there's a lot out there that can work with those.

So I would toss that out as something maybe you guys would want to include in that um, and then I have just a couple more uh quick things.

One is this uh past week uh we had some power outages throughout the city, and of course it impacted some of the uh uh traffic signals, and in some cases they had generators out to kind of run them.

But when I was trying to cross Patrick at uh Wilkes Street, thank you.

Um the the lights weren't working at all, which meant that pedestrians had no way to get across a very dangerous street.

So this is kind of tied into this uh smart stuff, but uh do we have some way to identify like critical pedestrian crossings as opposed to critical traffic uh crossings, so that pedestrians have a shot at getting across these uh roadways.

Yeah, I mean, I think when the power's out, it's a real challenge.

One of the things we are looking at is how do we get more battery backup on certain signals and potentially looking at key pedestrian crossings could be a criteria for evaluating where we would deploy that.

There's also a lot of new technology now that can tap into your signal system and alert you if a signal's out.

So we're we're not relying on people to report outages.

We're upgrading our entire back end of our signal system, and so we're gonna have a lot more capabilities to do better management um of that, even even remotely, right?

Like if it's a weekend, log in and be able to update things if they change.

So then that ties into the smart stuff.

So one of the goals of the smart is to also have some kind of battery capability that each of the uh uh boxes at the intersections or it's expensive, it's a goal.

We have it at some.

We did a pilot years ago, and we've been looking for grants to continue to enhance that.

So I think as part of the SMART thing, that would be a really neat thing to add on there.

Is you know, maybe solar uh panels so we can charge the batteries up or something because when we start to become more reliant on sort of the smart technology to help us get through, whether it's somebody in a motor vehicle or somebody trying to cross the intersections, that would be a really big uh help for that uh process.

But anyway, just to summary that I this is really cool.

So thrilled that you guys are uh doing this and been so engaged, nation one of them.

Yeah, both in my work and then also when I was sharing TV.

I was very interested in uh non-recurring incidents and half of all traffic is by non-recurring incidents, not uh just a disabled cars or um uh uh vendor vendors, um truck losing slow.

Um, and so there's a May talk organization in the for the in the region that does some information sharing about major incidents, but um, we had a conference where trying to talk about having a reaction ability to react to to more incidents, you know.

So I'm wondering about as you went through this, I can see where several of them could benefit from some coordination.

So when you cross the city limits, you're you know could still uh benefit.

But are some of your work and being done in coordination with the neighboring jurisdictions, kind of who doing something similar?

Um we are working, we have a um through NBETA, we have a regional transportation technology group, and we are working very hard to share information about what other folks are doing in other jurisdictions and coordinate what vendors we're using, what pilots we've done.

Um, that is it's it's more challenging than we thought.

I think it's just time of staff to really get together and have these conversations.

Um, we are trying to do that.

Um, you know, I think we see and one of the the challenges that I think we have with adaptive, even right, like if there's an incident and the signals are like, oh, there's a lot of backup, I'm gonna stay green longer and move traffic through, you know.

If we have people in the community too that are like, oh, just install this adaptive, and then there's not going to be any more congestion.

And that's not that's not what's going to happen here, right?

Like, we we know that if we just make the signals green all the time, we are gonna have more traffic coming through.

We're gonna have more cut-through traffic.

It's not going to be for the people who live here, it's gonna be for the people that are are cutting through.

So that's something we really want to balance with all of these projects.

There will be congestion at the peak hours because we need it, or otherwise our streets are just going to be full of cut through traffic.

We need a little bit, but we do hope with something like the digital twin, the ultimate goal is that we could we could set that level of congestion so that our the traffic is still moving through, maybe it's even being metered coming into the city.

So Chris has been uh pushing on for about eight years now.

Um if we can set that ideal level of congestion, people are still moving, it's not gridlock, but it's not enough to cut off and go through residential streets, right?

And it's not enough that Google's not gonna say, like, oh, it's all green, go this way, cut through Alexandria.

So that's something we're really trying to balance because for the folks that think that this is just going to solve traffic, it's gonna really help during the off-peak period when you're just sitting at a red light and there's no one else there.

We also want to use it for speed management too.

We want to set the the signals in a time where if you go a certain speed, 22 miles an hour, you're gonna hit all grains.

If you don't, you're stopping every signal, every single signal.

So um, there's a lot we can do with it, but we also want to be really cognizant of just moving more cutting traffic through the city and also making sure that people are driving safely on our streets.

Oh, yes.

Uh Commissioner McMahon.

Hey, um, thank you so much, Hillary, for this presentation.

Um it's all super exciting.

I have a couple big picture questions.

Actually, I'll start with my my little my sort of nuanced, I don't know what the right word is.

Um fine-grained one.

I'm interested in where the city's thoughts are with regard to parking wayfinding, because I feel like the the digital curb is going to give us a great tool to help people navigate to different types of curb use, the stuff that's on the curb.

Um, but we have these city garages spread out, particularly throughout old town.

And I know that there's a bit of tension, even right now with City Hall under construction and marketplaza under construction, about uh making sure everyone knows where to find a parking space and potentially um reallocating curb space so people can find parking space.

Um, but my understanding from the past is that some of our garages are underutilized, and I'm curious if they still are or how we are thinking about helping people find those assets and increasing their relative utility to people who do choose to drive to these difficult locations.

Um, because most of the time we want people who are driving to like hang out in old town, not to try to find a place on the street, right?

Because those those spaces are going to be really much more precious.

Yeah, that's a great question.

I think we have been working very hard.

I know there's been a lot of angst about the lost parking at Market Square.

So I actually haven't run the numbers recently on the garages to see what the market square um closure has done to those garages.

But before Market Square closed, we did have capacity in those garages.

And we try to do things with pricing to get people into the garages.

We try to get them onto you know your apps, your parking apps when you're driving to old town, you just look and see, and oh, it pops up.

It's like five dollars to park in the city garage.

Like obviously I'm just gonna go there.

So we we try to do that.

We have been looking at our wayfinding signs.

We actually do have a lot of parking wayfinding signs in the city, but I think they you just kind of forget people don't recognize them.

Um I think going through VAR to design those signs and what they look like, they're not big, they're not flashy, they fit into the character of our lovely old town.

Um, so maybe they're not quite as as visible.

Um but you know, I I do, you know, we just came out with a new where to park map, and we're trying to push that out for the sale of 250 and these other events in the in the city.

So we're we're trying to push it out and do more on parking and letting people know that they're they should park in garages.

We have garages, they're they're available.

We're also trying to figure out if there's partnerships with some of the private garages that we can look at, like how do we make those known that maybe they're available on the weekends too?

Um, so we are having a lot of those conversations.

Um, but we've also been adding uh back in on street spaces in old town looking at underutilized loading zones.

We just the traffic and parking board just added, I think almost 20 spaces on Duke Street.

So we're we're looking at a lot of things to increase the availability of parking, particularly because of the market square garage closure.

Okay.

Yeah, it it's a it's a conundrum for me about whether technology and data is gonna lead us toward a better way of doing this, or if when it comes down to it, people just do what their habits tell them to do, and they don't they don't really like form a new habit unless something really transformative happens, like they are riding with someone and that person uses that facility and it's really easy.

And then they're like, oh, I'm gonna do that now.

But um, yeah, so it'll be interesting to see how that evolves so we can use those off-street assets the best that possible.

Um with all of the new data that we are going to have and are exploring now and perhaps trying to institutionalize.

Um, what's your sense of the nature of the transformation of staff work and staff demand?

Because I feel like we have this potential to have a lot of a lot more information to work with.

But do we feel like we have the time, like staff have the time to digest the information that these systems are going to produce?

And what does it look like for planning in in much the same way that this commission has flown the flag over the years, making sure that the complete streets program has enough staff to be able to do all the work that's in this work plan that has, you know, changes that need to happen on the streets.

Do you feel like this work plan, this smart mobility and sort of data-driven transformation that we're undertaking is gonna change the way we have to staff and what we need and how we how we talk about that.

Yes, I mean, absolutely.

I think you know, you know, I think of like what our transportation teams look like in the future.

It's not just planners and engineers, right?

Like it's planners, it's engineers and communicators, it's it's data scientists, and so I do think they're some of this will evolve.

Um I think some of the data when it comes to us in an easy way saves us time, but then having that data and responding to all the questions we get about the data, taking more time.

So I it's a it's a balance of where it's helping us where where I see incredible benefits for the planning community is really and our traffic engineering team is thinking about how long the systems that we've been using for years take, the synchros, the visams, they're expensive.

It's expensive to have consultants do them for us, it's expensive for developers.

And if we have all this information and have a model of our city, in theory, you should be able to say, hey, we're putting in development here.

We think there's gonna be this many trips.

What happens if we add a lane?

What happens if we make this one way?

You should be able to get that in almost real time.

And um, I think legislation for some of this technology and standard practices need to evolve with the new technology, and that it obviously evolves slower.

But one of the projects we had talked about with Virginia Tech is okay.

If we've got a development that's looking at a certain area, can we also go in and do a project and look at it with AI and the predictive models and see how accurate it is?

And if we can start proving that these virtual models are giving us as good accuracy as some of the other models that take a lot of time and money to run, then that does make it a lot faster for us.

So I think there's there are pros and cons and time savings and time sucks of um all of these, all of the different data, but largely we're hoping that you know we can go into a system and query having all this data.

Where do we have a lot of pedestrians crossing and left turns at the same time?

Give me my top five intersections, and it's going to pop up, right?

So I do think it will help us in our in our planning and understanding, looking at more than just what crashes happened here.

How many people ran the red light?

Like there's other metrics that we can bring in to understand what's happening in our intersections and design for those changes.

Yep.

And my last question, which you alluded to in part of your comment, um is my understanding is that you know, every year in Richmond, we go through um a fraught process of trying to get the legislation we need.

Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't, um, for different things that are of interest in Alexandria for transportation.

Um, and I do feel like the digital the way we collect data and the way we use tools to observe and collect data, um, whether it is directly for things like ticketing action or whether it is for other things, um, could be for permitting, um, could be for who knows.

There there always seems to be a touch point back with does this fall under our authority?

Do we need more authority?

What are the discussions and the fears and and and so on?

So the question would be what are your what's your perception right now, the biggest opportunities we have from recent legislation that may have come through Richmond to let us keep doing the work that we're doing, and what might be the biggest barriers or or next steps that we have to keep working on with them?

That's a great question.

I I think the biggest opportunity is the expansion of the automated enforcement.

You know, obviously a huge focus for us is safety and vision zero, and we just do not have the police thing staffed to just go sit everywhere and kick it, and nor should they be doing that now.

Um, so I think having automated enforcement is gonna start to reinforce good behaviors because people are not gonna want to get tickets.

We can now do um uh the city still has to pass our own ordinance to be able to do it, but we can expand our speed limit uh school speed zones.

Um, we can do bus stop arm cameras, we can do stop sign cameras.

Um, we could we already have authority, we could expand our red light camera system, and so I think that will go a long way in making our streets safer.

Um, so that I'm very excited about and glad that we had support from the state on that.

I think one of the challenges could be with how they come down on legislation for automated vehicles and um potentially preempting cities from being able to get data or manage or request anything from some of these companies.

I think there's all huge benefits to a lot of the ADs in terms of safety, but I think that having potentially a robotaxi fleet that's circling empty is obviously not good for congestion, it's not good for our maintenance, these are heavier vehicles because they're EVs on our streets, and um, so I think that could be a challenge if we are unable to get any authority to receive data from this company from these companies about how they're how they're using our infrastructure.

Thank you.

I have one more no um the Russell Road project.

Um, one of the things I noticed in that is that you guys created a very detailed description of the parking utilization because there's a one of the proposals to remove up the 20 spaces, and I'd never seen the data presented that way.

So, are did you hire a specific company to come in and do that?

Did they do use a scanning uh technology for that?

They did not.

We um for very specific projects, we hire company, it's the same company that does that is under contract with us, does a lot of our parking uh occupancy.

Um, they go out and they count the cars manually and we have them go out at um what we think are the busiest times of day when people people are home.

So if they need that space on the street, they're gonna be there.

So we're looking at the highest utilized time.

Um, so right, there was that proposal.

There was also one that only removed four parking spaces.

So, you know, that trying to give the community the opportunity to weigh on it.

Like if parking is very important to you, then tell us you like the one that only removes four, you know.

So um I yeah, that's the same company we use for Braddock Road and and for when we get requests to go out and do neighborhood-based overnight parking districts.

So they they give us very good data and it's very digestible.

Yeah, this one just seemed more detailed in in the uh on the project page than I'd noticed before is and so I just thought maybe it's something you guys were starting to use more for them to do scanning as opposed to just being physically out there counting.

I think it was we got a lot of questions about it, and we want to be transparent and make sure the community has as much information as we can share.

Well, there was plenty there.

Other questions?

Comments.

Oh, very interesting.

Thank you.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, uh let me think.

I don't think we're gonna have quorum.

Uh, one option since Josh is here now, is that uh, and since there are more almost every commissioner is here or present, uh at least virtually or in person.

Uh Josh could go through the presentation and then at the September um commission meeting, just have a quick vote on it instead of having Josh come back in September again.

Well, the public hearing because you can open it as a public hearing without a forum, right?

Um I don't know, I think so.

Yeah.

It's just a vote.

Yeah, yeah, it's just the actual vote.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

So um what do we need a motion to open the public hearing?

Make a motion public hearing.

All right, second.

Oh second.

Okay.

All right.

Uh anybody in discussion.

Not all of us in favor.

Oh, you say aye.

All right.

So uh we are in the public hearing on the goal's budget.

Uh no one in the uh, yeah.

Sorry, why don't you start?

Okay.

So we're was this for the public comment, or was this specifically for public hearing item number three?

It's for that item number three.

Okay, yes.

Okay.

Okay, cool.

You good back up here.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

Oh, yes.

Yes, okay.

Uh good afternoon and evening, everyone.

Uh Transportation Commission.

I'm Josh Attim, the Go Alex program manager for the City of Alexandria.

Uh today I'm here to talk about the 2027 uh TMP policy uh budget and work plan.

But up here we're first talk about the 2023 TMP policy, which was passed by council, which essentially said that new developments starting July 1 of 2023 will new developments that are eligible for the TMP program.

Uh they will enter into an agreement with the city and they will fund trying to reduce traffic congestion and single vehicles on our city streets.

Uh traditionally, since the 1980s, we have we've had the TMP policy where typically developments were privately managed, uh, but through this new policy, the developments would be go outs managed.

And if we go on to the next slide, oh, I should also say uh we're here today because in this policy, there's the requirement for the Transportation Commission to hear the work plan and budget every year and approve it.

Like we were saying earlier, we'll do that in September.

When uh existing developments are on the city policy, then the funds that they contribute will be split 50-50, where uh half of those funds will go to citywide projects, the other half of the funds will be to neighborhood projects.

Um that's pretty self-explanatory.

I will say that older developments that have a TMP project uh or program, they can opt in to this new policy through an administrative process.

Um here on the slide, just to give everyone an update of where we are.

There are about 200 TMP developments citywide.

14 of those are go Alex TMPs, meaning that Go Alex does manage them on their behalf.

And 121 of those are privately managed still.

Those are from the longer term existing developments.

And we have 55 approved developments or that they're under construction and yet to determine exactly what they're going to be doing.

Some of them we know they are slated for the Go Alex.

There's 20 confirmed that are going to be on the Go Alex CPs once they are occupied.

The map up there is the color representative of the type of TMP is.

No, that just shows that the location of the TMPs.

And I should say that the majority of TMPs are along high transit corridors.

So the gray is just simply the background shading of that particular area of the city.

The gray is actually a layer of uh the small area plans.

And so different small area plans just happen on this map to come over on the layering.

But that helps us know if you if you remember the slide previously to know, okay.

Here's a small area plan, 50% of those TP funds are applied there.

Question here we will see the Go Alex fund budget.

Um can you uh we are slated to have approximately 1.3 million dollars in revenue come July 1 of 2026.

Uh on here, you can see that we have conservative estimate based on the Go Alex TMPs of the funds coming in.

Following that, we have our expenditures, and the city seeks to implement projects that have been approved in existing plans.

Uh the proposed budget categories and estimated allocation of expenses provide a balanced approach that allows the city to deliver near term projects while also evaluating future initiatives that the Go Alex fund can sustainably support on an ongoing basis.

Go ahead on to the next slide.

Uh this shows that the breakdown by small area plans, where there's a total of approximately 558,000, and then the small area plans that have contributed from the Go Alex catch TPs.

And then this here shows their comment or questions.

Yeah.

Um, I have kind of the same.

If you want to go back a slide, the same question that I might have had the last time we talked about the budget.

Um, I don't understand this table because the balance and the the total here doesn't add up to anything that's in the other table.

So can you explain what what this is a subset of out of the total revenue, total expenditure, total everything that's in the other table?

Yes.

So this table represents the Go Alex Managed TMPs, and that means that any of the uh developments that were enacted underneath the or are enrolled within the 2023 policy, that this is their contributions, they're half of their contributions so far.

The previous total also includes anything that the Go Alex fund has been um receiving over years of time.

So there was an existing balance prior to the 2023 policy.

That balance is carried over all together.

Is that what address your question?

So 62,000 for Braddock Road Metro Station TMP.

Is that a funding contribution that is coming in in FY27?

No, that is uh by July 1, we should we expect to have 62,000 dollars for that Braddock Road small area plan.

If you double that to be 122 24, that's how much the Braddock Road small area plan has contributed, but the other half has gone into the citywide side.

Okay.

So 62,000 is what will be sitting in the pot as of July 1 for potential use in 2027 for that small area because the other half of their contributions is going into a different pot.

So the total at the top of this table is the sum of these numbers.

Correct.

And then on the prior table, if this is revenue, we've got a carryover from a from fiscal year 26 something.

We have a fiscal year 26 contributions as of June 1.

And those are the is that like the other half of these small area plan one.

Like I'm I'm trying to understand where the 558 appears in this summary table, the first table.

How is it accounted for?

Like because the expected goalyx fund balance as of July 1, 2026 is 1.37 million.

Is the 558 in that?

Yes.

So this table shows the overall revenue, both the city side and the small area plan side.

So that's where the 1.3 million dollars.

That's what is the total go Alex fund balance.

Both sides.

So is the five other the next table just go ahead.

Is the 558 within the third row?

Is it accounted for in the 877?

Is that where it lives?

Like I'm just wondering where I find it in this table.

No, the so I see what you're saying.

The 558, we the 550, the next table represents only the small area plan in total.

So that's both everything that was collected in the fiscal year 2026 and in prior year.

So fiscal year 2024, fiscal year 2025, fiscal year 2026.

So that is both a the next table combines those two lines of the balance carryover line as well as the TMP contribution line.

So the 558 is mixed, you can't parse it out, just looking at those three different numbers.

So they're going back to the example of Braddock Road Metro Station, you're reporting out that there is $62,000 worth of small area plan specific monies that are available July 1 that are a combination of carryover balances and recent contributions.

And so for Braddock Road Metro Station is a small area plan.

When we look at the fund budget summary table, it's just blended in you you have it divided up by carryover versus 26 contributions.

Yes, correct.

Each of those is a mixture across those two things.

And the only thing the next table is pulling out is out of the 1.37 million, 558,000 is specific to small area plans, and you're showing where it works.

Okay.

Correct.

I think uh if I were to make an edit on this current table, instead of saying fiscal year 2026 balance carryover, that should really say fiscal year 2025 balance carryover.

So everything that carried over from fiscal year 25 was the 492,000.

Then we add in the contributions from fiscal year 2026.

That's the 8877,000.

And then what you said about the next table is correct.

It's showing the totality of small area plan budget as it would be July 1, 2026.

And I think what might help is so we're looking at expenditures here on this one too.

Like we have neighborhood complete streets, 200,000 development specific requests.

So if we get a development specific request, it's going to while we've allocated 50,000.

We think we get about 50,000 requests in this year.

We haven't gotten many yet, but that would then come off of the small area plan.

So we say we did something at Braddock Road, they want a sidewalk upgrade and it's 25,000, and we use these funds.

That's going to come off their balance.

But that second table is not broken into expenditures, it's just the total.

But if there's a neighborhood complete streets project in an area that we are doing, it would come out of the area specific pot of funding.

Correct.

That helps.

Yes.

So all of that helps clarify.

I think there are probably improvements that could be made so that I don't have to ask the same set of questions again next year when I look at it this like once a year snapshot.

Um but yes, that that helps.

And I think it's it's helpful to understand both the big picture, how much money overall is there to spend, what are the expenditure types and rough quantities that are planned, and then what is that sense of availability by small area plan, so that when you're trying to decide on the programming and prioritizing of needs, you're also looking at where the resources are and how you can spend it so that it's aligned with the purpose of the funding source.

Yeah.

Thank you for that.

Yep.

Thank you for the questions.

Uh next two slides.

We were here, and this just gives you a little bit of a breakdown basically what we just saw on the other slide.

Uh, that we are looking at CY projects with the survey of the triannual TMP and trying to get a mode split verification.

Then we also have the transportation grants that have already been approved, but we're doing the grant matches from the Go Alex fund that includes the go out's uh commuter assistance program operating grant match.

That's the trip, the fare-free Wamada bus for students grant match, uh, the enhance mobility, which is a travel training type of grant match, as well as the transmit infrastructure for bus stop improvements and amenities.

Uh that's grant match.

Then there's also city wide bike education classes, and then from the small area plan perspective, uh what Hilly's already talked about, both the development specific requests, which I think was 50,000, and then uh is budgeted if depending on what we hear, and then the neighborhood complete streets, which was 200,000.

Uh gonna ask a question about the bike education.

So I I think um you guys have uh deferred bike education in the spring due to staffing issues, and that's gonna start back up in uh fall center.

That's what we anticipate.

Uh I would really say it's more throughout the fiscal year because we'll look at what makes the most sense when and as we have more staff because we still have staffing issues right now.

So what you're saying is somewhere in fiscal year 2027, you hope to start up the education class.

Yes.

And that will align, I'll just add to what has that throughout the goal strategic plan that was approved.

All right, then you have more questions on this.

Yeah.

I one of the things that I that I read through the materials with which I I was thinking about.

I I remember doing doing work on TMPs way back when during age sometimes.

And one of the things I remember remember that some of the old TMPs require is that that um the uh developments actually fund a uh a shuttle to it to a uh uh uh to uh a nearby transit area.

And I remember that was always a nanny problem.

So sometimes they there were it's fairly easy, but I remember that for the things like Shamland Station, they they definitely didn't want any but it touched the shuttle.

So what's the status of uh I know we we wanted to to melt or get some of the monies from the TMPs to the fund dash services to do about the shuttle, but uh I don't think the anything actually have the uh that's like but what what's the update on the on that uh on the applying TMP funds towards shuttles or or towards for towards Dash right now.

The city's not using TP funds for shuttle purposes.

Okay, what we have worked with different TMPs, whether it was Camp Station or Potomac Yard, for instance, uh different existing TMPs have engaged us to ask.

Can we turn off the shuttle program?

Especially there wasn't the we want the administrative process for that.

Uh but as of today, like I said, there is no uh city or go out to manage TMP funds going towards shuttle operations, you know.

How about the old ones?

Are there still shuttles that are that are uh being funded by TMP funds rather than the Titywide managed uh the newer TMPs, I guess.

Yes.

Um where I have seen shuttles stay in place is only if the community so wishes to have it um for that reason, uh or if it makes sense, like the Carlisle, they do have a shuttle that goes from Team Street Metro into Carlisle, and they fund that from their own TMP aspect.

Right.

Uh but as we have been engaging with different developments over time, when they say we no longer want the shuttle, we do listed and we go through the process to have everything.

All right, this may be a little unprecedented, but since I won't be here in September to vote in a Kirsten will be.

I'm wondering if this would be a and if you guys just want to vote on this next time, whether she'd have a chance to ask questions in September, or whether if she has questions now, if she could ask them now as opposed to September.

I don't know what the how you guys want to handle it.

Well, you don't have this is a public hearing.

So the public is is welcome to ask any questions.

Public.

So I apologize for that.

But okay, then it's not a non-issue.

Okay.

Anyone else?

So we will wait and uh and vote on this in September.

Correct.

Okay, Josh, come on.

Yes.

Um we will be.

I want to say that there will be some expenses that will likely occur starting between July 1 and September, whether it's a grant match or other things that we just have to move on.

So understand that, but yes.

Well, you did that last time too.

Right.

That's right.

It should not continue if you can help it.

That's why we are trying to identify this as much as possible.

Yep.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

And thank you.

All right.

Actually, if I could uh I think one effort that these guys have been doing that I thought panned up pretty well this weekend was the bike valet and sort of some of the other stuff you did in association with uh big sale or whatever it was called.

Um the sailing event down in old town, kind of encouraging people to use other modes of getting there.

So I thought that was really well done.

Thank you.

We're trying to get the word out as early as possible.

And the next time you'll see it's called Rolling Park because you roll in and then you park your bike or your scooter.

The next time that'll happen will be Alexandria Pride.

No, I I thought it was well done, and I wrote through there before you actually opened up, but they were setting up nicely.

So good job.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I I have a quick question about that.

Um, since you mentioned it, because I passed by it.

I rode a capital bike share e-bike down on one of the days and parked it at the station that's on uh Prince, maybe is there station on Prince?

Yeah.

Um and there was there were spaces, so there wasn't an issue.

But are Capital Bike Share bikes able to be dropped off at those as well and kind of checked back in remotely, or is it just for personal bikes?

Just for personal bikes and personal scooters or any personal micro mobility, and that's for the standpoint of the we don't want to have uh the staff having to watch a capital bike share bike when it's actually supposed to be shared across the system, so anyone can come pick it up.

And since that already has its old network and set of rules, it could be eight yeah house other than that space.

Yeah, sometimes cabby the caviar system though does valet does cave valet supports for things that that draw have draw a lot of demand.

I don't know anything about the logistics of it, but I'm pretty sure that like NATS games have done it before and some other things.

Um so yeah, so I was just curious if it if it covered both, but thank you for clarifying.

We have had those are called bike corrals where there's a lot of traffic on bikes or other microbial devices coming together.

Uh we just don't have that type of regional draw in large events that we think warrant a crowd.

But we do talk about that every time as we had it to uh do large event.

Yeah, great.

Thank you.

All right, ready to go do commissioner updates do this uh we again just closed the commissioners here.

Yeah, I guess the vote to close the public hearing.

Oh, that's right.

All right, do we have a motion to uh close the public hearing?

I move the motion right, sir.

Second, second all those in favor say aye.

Aye, aye.

All right, that was an aye, I think.

All right, well, thanks.

So let's go to the updates.

Uh uh again's not here.

Uh let Leslie.

No updates, thank you.

Okay, Casey.

Yeah, my only update is I'll be stepping off the traffic parking board meeting, which means I'll be stepping off of the transportation commission.

But Christian over there is my very able uh replacement, so I think you'll be well served by her so and thank you all for the opportunity to work with, especially city staff.

Thanks.

All right.

One thing I want to mention is uh tomorrow uh the police department's having a public safety summit at the Virginia Theological Seminary, and then cast a wide net for trying to get people from civic associations, nonprofits, city staff, um uh and boards and commissions.

And so I'm gonna go uh and talk a little about safe streets, I think, and uh pedestrian and uh and bike safety.

Uh I think we have some things to add, so it's like from 11 to 2 and that or 11 to 1, depending on what you should look at for uh and then but yes, and suggestions uh what fits within public safety and transportation uh we should raise lemming out.

All right, uh Jim, you have yeah, I've got a couple of things.

Uh one of the things is um this is delayed for a little bit more to Dash, but uh uh dash is is gonna have a little uh semi-groundbreaking for the has got to have some money to build a uh uh a remote uh charger for for uh for for for buses, which they're gonna have at the uh uh the Alexandria West Transit Center.

So that they're gonna actually have a um groundbreaking or whatever type of uh then uh left on next Tuesday, I think it is between one and two.

So if anybody's interested, they can come up by and let's listen to what they have to say.

Um the the other item uh is that um a couple weeks ago the um uh there was a uh the folks that that are that was a HRP, the uh uh the developers of the the new uh or what used to be the the Jenon plant uh uh had a public a public meeting uh which I was listening to them, and uh I I saw that just it was just approved uh by city council uh and using some some TIFF funds, so it was pretty significant, and that'll provide funds for like about half of the project.

So it's a pretty important project that's starting to help.

So about it ends up my discussion.

Thanks, Jim.

Um Melissa, do you have anything?

Um I would just piggyback on the the um PRGS redevelopment blocks B and Came before Planning Commission.

So we saw that before council saw it.

And I just wanted to highlight for I guess transportation commission purposes that one of the things that was in that approval was a change to how they were gonna phase in the provision of the open space and yeah, open space elements and areas around these um around the buildings and around the site as a whole.

And what um block C will bring forward is the first chunk of the wounder, um, which is the shared street that is where Fairfax goes along the waterfront up by this site, and that will be um setting aside Lower King, which is not really fully shared because it's cut off from cars.

This will be the first time, I believe, that Alexandria has tried to do a truly shared street where there aren't really curbs, pedestrians are allowed to be anywhere in the street, vehicles are allowed to pass through the street, but they need to do so with the understanding that pedestrians are gonna be there too, and they're not disallowed from being there, if that makes sense.

Um so it'll be it'll be different.

And I'm really excited to see how it goes um and to see what it ends up looking and feeling like.

Um these these development blocks will also bring forward parts of the um the land that's part of this project along the rail park, which is that diagonal section um of um defunct railway.

And we don't we don't have control over all of it really right now to do all the things we'd like to do with it, but the part that the that runs along this property will be improved.

Um will start to be improved as part of these projects.

Um so pieces, pieces of our network coming together.

And I guess it's worth mentioning that at the completion of BNC, these first phases, they do have to initiate the opening of the roadway connection to Slater's Lane.

So it's not going to be in all of its final glory of configuration, but there will be there will be true vehicular connectivity from Slater's Lane into this project at the at the end of this this phase.

That's it.

That's all I got for planning commission.

Um Matthew, do you have anything?

I have nothing to add to.

All right.

Okay.

So then we move on to some of the written items.

Um people take a look at that and see if there's any you'd like to pull from discussion.

And I guess we're gonna try to get the capital projects uh updates and a regular basis.

Anything else on on that list we heard about Braddock Road last time.

No, we heard about Red Road East last time.

I think I think this one is Braddock Road West.

Oh, I thought we did talk some about this.

I thought some.

Well, if we thought, yeah.

So actually I had the the Street Smart event on uh Halloween.

I thought that was really great that you uh I guess I just a little disappointed.

I don't think anyone from the traffic department board knew about that.

We couldn't have shown up to sort of resonate to that project.

So I would hope in the future if they do those that they kind of think about some of the groups that have actually helped facilitate uh project.

Um and I know there's still pieces of it that needs to be finished, but uh Holland Lane uh is really gonna be a nice ad to the uh bicycle network and also helping pedestrians get across um Holland Lane, you definitely see uh some slowing traffic uh on that section of road window.

So that's that's really good to see that.

Yeah, and that event was largely organized by you know Cong and typically I think they do it at the King Street Metro, but when they wanted to do it in Alexandria this year, we suggest they do it over by Howland Lane since it was it was uh just recently completed, but we'll keep that in mind next time to but I thought it was really neat to highlight it that way.

So uh even if we weren't invited, it was still kind of a cool thing to see that uh getting some uh public.

Would have been cooler.

Yeah, I think I think it would have been nice to sort of recognize that uh you know other people have been uh part of the uh the effort.

But and I've been to some of their other events and other places throughout the and you're right, they don't necessarily include everybody.

So yeah.

All right, anything else?

Uh oh, yeah.

Yeah, um Commissioner McMahon.

I just have a follow-up question because I know that the long-range plan update is provided here and explains the postponement of what would be our typical every other year uh prioritization process.

And um, and those are usually quite full of discussion on specific projects and um sort of double checking that everything we think is supposed to be in the list from various recently adopted small area plans gets into the list and so on.

Um I recall hearing that staff lost a vacancy um in this budget cycle.

Is that correct?

Yes.

Okay.

And so um, I guess I'm just curious where this where this puts us for the kinds of things that you all feel you need to do.

And do we have any um optimism that we'll get that position back next year?

Um that um, yeah, great question.

I mean, we are adjusting our work, yeah.

We're adjusting our work plans according to our staff resources uh as best we can.

Um, and we uh don't have a crystal ball yet, so still no idea of whether that position might be restored or not.

next year um the um yeah great question i mean we are adjusting our work yeah we're adjusting our work plans according to our staff resources uh as best we can um and we uh don't have a crystal ball yet so still no idea of whether that position might be restored or not yeah so i i think it would be and and maybe you've already communicated the kinds of loss of productivity that it means to to not be able to fill a position to council in order for them to make that decision and i know every every decision they had to make this year was hard when it comes to budgeting um but um for lack of a better term i think for folks like us who might be able to explain to neighbors about why something isn't happening um having a succinct summary of like what we can't quite do or or that the the potential delay slash negative impact on productivity associated with not having enough staff um would be useful as talking points and useful for us to just we we we have it programmed in that we'll talk about this every year we provide a budget letter every year we provide so on and so forth kinds of inputs that are more formal but um but we also might want to use that arsenal of information to garner more interest in the budget discussion next year than we might in another year if if we're really not being able to execute on the plans that we're adopting um so yeah yeah if I could add to that I think you know one of the cool successes the city has had is getting grant funding and some of that's based on what you can see from that long range plan and if we can't be updating that that makes it more challenging for you guys to get the grant funding and I'm pretty sure that most people in city council are pretty happy that that money's coming in so kind of helping to be able to facilitate being able to get that money uh should be part of that uh conversation in terms of getting uh staff being able to focus on this customers yeah right but then you all are going to be learning uh artificial intelligence right so we figure out how to make your jobs even easier right absolutely yeah I was thinking yeah a lot of staff big for themselves bigger bank for the buck we have it's a different staff I mean yeah all right anything else uh I the written items or other business I'll make a motion to adjourn actually sorry we'll go real quick so uh I just have one other thing under other business uh this will be my last transportation commission meeting um I am leaving the city uh next week's my last week so yes where are you going to talk about staff challenges yeah yeah I just I just wanted to add to that yeah this is your last week next week's my last week wow we just got the kayak launch exactly that's why I'm leaving spend my time kayaking congratulations yeah congratulations Chris and and you will be missed yeah thanks Leslie yeah thank you well I think back to your first meeting and uh Melissa said Chris what are you doing here you guys are going to school together so I thought that was actually a pretty cool connection there so yeah yeah yeah you got to send another person you gotta have them hire another UNC person that I'll recognize for the next the next role that helps run Jim and join the grant join transportation oh I could yeah great yeah yeah get a little more green then and then you'll be better off yeah yeah people start calling me Casey yeah but you're in very good hands with Sarah who will be taking over the uh transportation commission until uh plans develop so cool yeah lots of training change then yeah yeah we are hiring we have some positions posted and more to come and Josh is trying to get somebody to help him with goalyx they're trying to get a smart mobility person on board been vacant for a long time um we had a promotion on our complete streets team so now we have vacancy we're going there so and have you replaced Bob Gorbeck almost almost almost about retired by we're yeah a couple months ago yeah all right all right well um we have a motion to adjourn I think that'll look in second and I'll second right all maybe say aye aye we are adjourned thanks by everybody by so that's really cool news uh how many years so it's uh six years or eight years nine and a half nine and yeah or uh staying in this area are you looking

We are adjourned.

Thanks.

Bye, everybody.

Bye.

So that's really cool news.

Uh how many years?

So it's uh six years or eight years.

No, nine and a half.

Nine and a half.

Wow.

Yeah.

Or uh are you staying in this area?

Are you looking?