And I'm Scott Unger.

On the agenda tonight, we have three cases.

And in a moment, our secretary will read the cases.

And when she does, she'll ask if they're well, first, if you're represented if your case is represented by legal counsel, we ask the attorney to identify him or herself.

She'll then ask if there are any objectors to the case.

And if so, we ask you to raise your hands long enough that she can get an accurate count.

And in a similar fashion, she'll ask if there are any interested parties not necessarily objectors to the specific case.

And I'll ask you to hold your hands up as previously so that she can get an accurate count.

Case number one, special use application of Yoana Rosato and Breedy Quasata at 21 North 11th Street.

Is the appellant present?

The appellant is present.

Are there any objectors to case number one?

No.

Are there any interested parties not necessarily objectives to case number one?

No.

Case number two, appeal of Robert Liska at 230 and 230 and a half North Nagel Street.

Is the appellant present?

Yes.

The appellant is present.

Are there any objections to case number two?

No.

Are there any interested parties not necessarily objectives to case number two?

No.

Case number three, appeal of Simon.

Al Zaghidi?

Yeah.

Okay.

At 638 North Second Street, is the appellant present?

The appellant is present.

Are there any objectors to case number three?

One.

Two.

Two.

Are there any interested parties not necessarily objections to case number three?

No.

All right.

We'll go slightly against our normal tradition today.

Um, and we're gonna take case number two first, uh, case number one, second, and case number three third.

So uh Mr.

Liska, if you're ready to proceed.

One of the benefits of having the uh case led by an attorney go first is you get to watch um some of the procedure, but uh we'll we'll do our best.

Um are you gonna testify or is this your surveyor?

Somebody started surveyor.

Okay.

Um so who's gonna testify?

Both of you perhaps, or just the surveyor.

Can we?

Okay.

So we'll need to do separately, or you want to do them separately or at the same time.

If you both state your name separately, so I can get that.

Robert Liska, I'm the owner of 230 and 230 and a half North Nagel Street in Allentown, Pennsylvania.

Uh Edward Schlaner, uh, civil engineer and surveyor or the Martin Schuler Company.

Do you raise your right hands?

Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and all the truth?

I do.

I do.

Okay, go ahead.

All right.

Um, typically what would happen is the attorney um representing a case would have a witness and he would ask he or she would ask questions of the witness.

Um, since we don't have that, um, what I'll suggest is perhaps that you um give me a summary of what you'd like.

You're asking for a re-establishment of a lot line.

So I'll let you um cover what you believe are the pertinent facts, uh, and then what what we'll do is we'll have the uh the board ask any additional questions to draw out maybe some additional facts of the case that might be pertinent, if that makes sense.

So it's up to you as to who you'd like to do the initial presentation.

I'll just give you our objective.

Uh in 2005, I purchased the pro the property with my wife.

Prior to that, it uh it was owned by Phyllis and I forgot his name now.

Um another couple that owned it for like 20 years.

They took the two properties and they consolidated them together.

So when I bought it, uh the two properties were consolidated on one track, one deed.

I owned it for the last 22 years.

Uh now I'm getting ready to sell it.

During the process, my two renters want to purchase the prop the properties, but because of the cost, they can't buy one property on one deed.

They have to have a split.

So in consideration, that's why I'm here to split the properties so they can purchase the property and be ownership uh in Allentown as uh as I help them hold the note and get them to purchase the product, uh the property.

So for clarification, there are two separate buildings or two separate dwellings.

It's two separate buildings.

They were two row homes uh with a baker's alley separated them.

There it is.

So the door in the middle in the center is the bakery alley that goes to the backyard.

Uh that's where they used to carry the ice 125 years ago to the back of the house to bring the refrigeration.

Um they're two separate.

I have all the utilities, gas, electric, uh, all the plumbing sewer, everything's separate.

I paid for all that over the last 20 years.

Um they all have their separate entrance, they have separate utilities.

Um the houses uh are three stories tall with a basement.

Uh I put new uh furnaces in and everything for them, and uh new circuitry for uh panel circuits instead of uh old circuitry.

Uh the houses um are completely occupied and they're ready to uh be sold.

I'm getting to retire soon.

And and the houses are completely segregated by firewalls, there's no penetrations between the two.

No, so when they consolidated the lots, they did not consolidate the physical um walls or configuration of the houses.

No, they did not.

Okay, and there's gonna be no changes to the property whatsoever.

And these are both uh single family homes essentially.

Yes, they are and there's only one uh renter in each.

There's one renter per this side, yes.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

Um do you have is your surveyors here for support, or do you have anything to add to what uh your your client has presented?

Uh just the fact that um it's generally better to have uh ownership of the property as opposed to rental.

They're more inclined to take care of the property and keep it up, upkeep and so forth.

Um, beyond that, um just uh I can answer any questions you might have a technical or otherwise.

Okay, all right.

Any other questions from the board?

No.

No questions.

All right, we have no additional questions.

You can you can take your seat.

Okay, thank you.

Thanks.

Are we ready to deliberate?

Okay.

Who would like to go first?

Um, I'm happy to go first.

Um, this is interesting.

Um, you know, since the properties were originally to two parcels um that were consolidated was consolidated, are kind of reverting them back and looking at the parcels surrounding it.

It it's there are uh other parcels that front on the alley that seem to be maybe have been consolidated in the past.

Um but I mean in terms of what they're looking to do, they're not looking to make any uh changes to the properties.

They are the the buildings themselves, they'd be remaining as is.

Um you know, lots and buildings are what they are, they cannot be uh widen or anything.

Um I I don't see a problem with this as long as like it's meeting other requirements um that would go along with a subdivision.

I mean that that's essentially my take too.

As you said, the buildings um are as they are, so it's not as though the difference between 531 square feet and 1800 square feet is the minimus, however, they're already being used as two single family homes occupied by actual families who would like to, in fact, uh purchase them.

And I think that's a little touchy-feely, but still probative.

Um, so I'm I'm of a similar opinion.

Uh I would generally agree.

I guess I'll just ask one question.

I think um uh restoring the lot line again to to what you both have indicated that um that's what's there presently, um, just because the lots were consolidated that did not result in a better um dwelling unit per acre ratio than we're having.

It maybe resulted in a wider lot, but um that they somewhat semantics.

Uh I guess the only question is while the intent uh of the applicant is to sell these, is it you have two tenants and they both individually want to buy their half or their okay?

Um and while that's presented here, I don't know that there's anything in the that's what was requested tonight.

I that's that's no guarantee that that's how it's gonna remain.

Um I don't know.

Um I don't think there's any need or any thought that to put some type of deed restriction on that has to be owner occupied.

I think that would be overly onerous.

Um do we given the nature of the um narrowness of the lots and the small the small size of the dwellings and again not knowing um not we're under the old ordinance.

Um is there any thought do we want to um put any condition that it be remain a single family dwelling?

And that way it still could be leased by the if one of the people who buy from um the current owner 10 years from now decide to sell it or move and lease it, they could um is that something that we would want to consider or entertain.

If I may from the zoning office standpoint, if the owner were to do that at this point, this application came in under the previous zoning ordinance.

If that application were made now, it would be contemplated against the new zoning ordinance.

The building types here would be considered lane houses, which only would permit one dwelling unit per, so any increase in density would would require a variance.

An opportunity for an accessory dwelling is permitted in any residential structure.

So in theory, in common speak a mother-in-law suite type arrangement could be placed in these.

So if the board saw it fit to impose a condition to close the door on that possibility and say that no additional dwelling units principal or accessory shall permit be permitted, that could be entertained, but a simple intent to increase the number of dwelling units in this building would need to come back before this board number unless it was that very limited caveat.

The just thank you for that clarification.

The accessory dwelling unit that would be potentially permitted even on lane houses as well.

I thought that would for some reason I thought that was for larger or single family um I guess I don't know.

It would be permitted.

The requirements are pretty there are pretty stringent to speak candidly, or I feel like the way they were written, they were written to require that and they be done right than that they be done with a full commitment to to pursuing that use rather than a let's see what happens.

This isn't any kind of formal determination off the top of my head.

I think this property would have a difficult time complying with an with an accessory dwelling type situation.

So if the board were to if the board were to think it would be flat out inappropriate for there ever to be any increase in density, there could be a condition, a condition that the property is not to be used with with any kind of accessory dwelling unit, but if the intent is just simply to prevent what would have been called a residential conversion under the old code, the current code and the requirements for dwelling unit by building type do a sufficient job for that purpose.

Great.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Approve however we I mean I guess um in terms of like a potential for any kind of accessory dwelling unit in the future.

Like I'm I'm kind of inclined to let the new code govern that.

Um I do think it's yeah, pretty would be.

I feel more comfortable having heard the summary from our zoning office than I did before.

Yes.

And and so also with that, um I don't know if we need the condition that it remains, you know, single family because it I think it I mean it sounded to all of us like the new code presents substantial conditions already.

Yeah, so with that in mind quite complicated.

And if I may that correct my reading of the code since this is all new, I double checked against the table.

An accessory dwelling unit would not be permitted in the lane house.

So that is a it is a moot point that's probably not the first time over the coming weeks you may see me need to correct the record, and this will be a collective learning exercise for all of us here.

I I was not sure, but I'm glad you clarified.

Okay.

Um is there a motion um to approve the request?

This is this is an appeal.

I said essentially it's a variance, it's a dimension dimensional variance.

So uh is there a motion to approve the dimensional variance as presented?

Yes, I'll make the motion to approve.

I think it's uh three dimensional variances um before us.

Okay.

Is there a second?

I'll I'll second it, you know, with the condition obviously that it it fulfills any code requirements that are necessary to have it uh uh maintain them as separate residences.

You accept that condition?

I accept the condition.

Any further discussion?

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

Aye.

Okay.

Um Mr.

Liska, your application's been approved.

You will be notified by the zoning office when you can pick up your permit.

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay, attorney Fleischacer, you're up.

Thank you for your indulgence.

It's an easy thing to do, Mr.

Chairman.

It's nice to see you again.

Different seat.

I'm used to seeing you off to the side.

Congratulations on your on your promotion, I guess we'll call it for the night.

Um so I represent the landowners in this appeal.

Uh I will note that uh my clients do not speak English.

I did bring an interpreter.

It's just gonna slow us down a little bit tonight.

Um under the old ordinance.

The application was filed in October of last year.

Uh I confirmed that with Mr.

Hanzo today.

It's a special exception for a residential conversion.

Uh this is 21 North 11th Street in Allentown.

I think in my narrative, I undersold this property a little bit when I said that it had an inditia of being a three-unit before.

Uh you'll hear tonight that uh there are three kitchens in this property.

There is the metering on the side that indicates at one point it was triple metered.

Uh, there is no access to the third floor from the second floor without exiting the property.

There's no access from the second floor to the first floor without exiting a locked door.

Um Mr.

Cazada is here to testify to those things uh as well as some other issues.

But we were within the special exception, we're seeking three variants.

This is this property is undersized for residential conversions under the old code.

Uh the home itself is undersized for residential conversions under the old code, and with just about every application I've ever had in the city of Allentown, there's a parking issue.

Uh so uh with your indulgence, uh I have Anna Release from my office uh who will be uh uh translating for us tonight, and Mr.

Casada, who's my witness.

Uh and if there are any questions of me before we get started, happy to help.

Just one, since we do have to go through translation, it would be helpful.

Um if you'd just give us a brief history.

You said there's some obvious evidence that it had been a three-unit.

Um, what's the if you know what's the circumstances under which it was deconverted to single family?

Uh is it carried that way on the city's records, not the counties, or vice versa.

What's the the assessment card for the property listed as single family, and it was purchased with that assessment card, I believe, in the tail end of 2024 or earlier in 2025.

So it was purchased that way.

The city had inspected it as part of the pre-sale inspection process.

They approved it, which in my experience having the city inspectors approve locked doors within an apartment or within a building is an interesting concept.

Uh but as Mr.

Casado will testify, there are three distinct floors here.

There's a first floor uh one unit, two-unit apartment, there's a second floor, two-unit apartment, and there's a third floor single unit apartment, each with their own kitchen, each with their own bathroom already installed to date.

Uh as it sits now, it's a five-bedroom unit.

Uh the proposed conversion would have three units, but would remain at five bedrooms.

Uh, Mr.

Cazado will testify, I believe, that all bedrooms are currently occupied now uh by family.

The intention is to rent out to those family members, but having their own space.

Excuse me.

There is a possibility of converting some of the rear yard to parking.

It's a little bit tight, and it's gonna require some some flexibility with the code and with the zoning office, but it can be done.

Uh, there are parking lots surrounding this property that he's willing also to agree to a condition that he would rent spaces and apply it to the rent value for each unit.

Um I don't know, Mr.

Ungar, when it was converted.

My guess is probably at least 15 years ago based on the we have a photograph that I'll present as evidence of the meter, and you can see that it's been some time since that meter was connected all three, but there exists three meters.

This at one point was a three unit, and we're just asking to return it consistent with a lot of the neighboring properties that have already been converted legally or otherwise uh to three units sums four or even a five unit on that street with a similar size property.

I don't know if that answers where you were trying to make it.

That's helpful, thank you.

Um at this point, we will you can call your first witness, but also bring your uh interpreter up here because they both need to be sworn in.

Can we get an extra seat up there for Anna release then?

Or how do you want to what's to the board's pleasure about that?

She can sit here and interpret.

Uh it's probably easier if they're sitting next to each other in some way, shape, or form though.

Um either that or we just need a a microphone for the interpreter.

So I think we I think we want the witness to sit um in this chair where there's a microphone.

We don't have um, I do see a handful of spare seats, so I would be able to bring another one up to the dias for the interpreter.

I'm gonna try to go as slow as possible.

Brady.

Yes.

All right, and there are buttons on both of those microphones, so when you're speaking, make sure that the they're turned on so that everybody has the opportunity to hear you.

So Mr.

Chair, I'm just gonna do some brief sort of instructions to make sure and release is comfortable, make sure Mr.

Casado knows how we're gonna relay information, make sure the board is comfortable with that as well.

It's just gonna be a process tonight.

So and release, uh you understand that your obligation tonight is to translate my questions to Mr.

Casada and translate his answers to the board.

I do.

Okay, and you're gonna do that to the best of your ability tonight?

I do.

And we know and whenever you need me to slow down or stop, you are gonna give me a signal to do so.

I will.

Okay, can you make sure that Mr.

Casada knows that his obligation is to answer the questions that you ask him and to relay those to you in Spanish, which you'll then convert to me in English?

Mr.

Chairman, can I assume that the board has the application and the attachments that were included there with from October?

We do.

Can we mark that as exhibit uh I suppose A1 then collectively?

You don't have extra copies with you?

I do have copies of the things within the application I want.

Uh specifically it's the the floor plans from the three units.

Um but I am uh I'm just trying to figure out I've got additional exhibits that I want to go through tonight, but for that one.

So you want to the application you want as exhibit A1?

Application included the narrative as well as the site plan, uh, which essentially is the building layout architectural rendering.

So that all in its entirety you want to actually be A1.

Okay.

Okay.

That's fine.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right, Mr.

Casata, can you introduce yourself to the board, please?

Saludo, bueno noche para todos.

Good afternoon.

My name is Brady Rodriguez Cesara.

I am the co-owner of the property located in the direction.

Mr.

Casado, when did you buy the property?

May 2025.

And you told the board that you were a co-owner.

Who do you own the property with?

My sister who is currently seated in in the audience.

Who lives in the property?

My family.

Eight members.

Okay.

And he can leave the microphone on.

He doesn't have to turn it off every time.

Just as long as it's on when you're talking.

The property we're talking about is three floors.

Yes, that's correct.

Okay.

Who lives on the first floor?

I do.

Okay.

Who do you live there with?

With my wife and two children.

How many bedrooms are on the first floor?

One bedroom.

Okay.

And you share that one bedroom with your wife?

Usted comparte Savitación con Susposa?

Okay.

Yes, that's correct.

And where do your children sleep?

The bedroom is quite large and they sleep in that same area.

Okay.

Have you made any renovations to the first floor since you've owned it since May of 2025?

No la propiedamente como la compra.

The property, no, the property is exactly as I purchased it.

So on the first floor, where there's a one bedroom, there's also a kitchen.

Yes, that is correct.

And a bathroom.

Yes, that is correct.

And a living area.

Yes.

If our application tonight is granted, do you intend on making any structural changes to the first floor?

I don't believe it will be necessary.

So the first floor will remain one bedroom or will it be two bedrooms if we convert to a three unit apartment?

It has the ability or the capability of being two bedrooms, but for the moment it's just a one bedroom.

So uh Mr.

Casada, I'm gonna show you what we've already done as part of a one.

And for the board's purpose, this is the uh the I can't use my words today.

The the site plan the room uh layout for the apartment for the for the unit as it currently exists that was attached to the application.

Mr.

Casada uh on the first page there it says first floor and it has a layout.

Is that something that you put together?

These these are the plans to the home.

And who made these plans for you?

These plans were provided to me with the information from the home.

Okay.

And you'll note that the first floor has two bedrooms on it, yes?

Yes, but we're only using one.

Okay.

So if we did a second if we if we made the first floor into a two-bedroom apartment, you would not need any structural changes to the walls or the uh of the first floor.

So see Pondriamos el primer piso de dos habitations no necessitaria modificar nuna parte de la structura para serlo compatible con eso.

No, no creo que es necesario.

No, it is not necessary.

If you go to the next page, this is a diagram of what the second floor of the home looks like.

Yes.

Who lives on the second floor currently?

My sister.

Okay, and how many people live on the second floor with your sister?

Um her partner.

How many bedrooms currently exist on the second floor?

Two bedrooms.

If you were to be granted the relief this evening, is it your intention to uh change the layout of the second floor at all?

No creo que se necesario.

I don't believe it will be necessary.

Okay.

If I can, but if I can mark it two.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize the picture that I've given you that we're having marked as A2?

Yes, this is the primary entrance to the home.

Did you take that photograph?

Yes.

And when did you take it?

About three days ago.

Okay.

And it's a true and accurate depiction of the entrance of the home.

Okay.

On the right hand side of that picture we see a white door that looks like it has a lock on it.

Is that the entrance to your apartment?

And then further in the picture we see a stairway, is that right?

Yes.

Okay.

Is that stairway outside of your front door the only way for you to get from your apartment to your sister's apartment?

Yes, that is correct.

Okay.

There's also an outdoor fire escape, isn't there?

Yes, that is correct.

Thank you.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize the picture that I've given you?

Yes.

Did you take that photograph?

Tomosa photo?

What is it show?

The fire escape that goes to the second floor and the third floor.

Okay.

So there is one additional way to get from the first floor to the second floor, but you have to go outside.

Yes.

Okay.

Now if you go in the front door of your apartment as shown on A2, you could go up the stairs or you could enter your apartment, is that right?

Jeff, please repeat.

Sure.

If we look at A2, when you enter the building, you can either go into your apartment or up the stairs to the second floor.

Yes, you would be able to go to the second floor.

Thank you.

So if we go from picture A2 to picture A4, we've gone up the stairs from the first floor, and there's a locked door on the second floor.

Yes.

And that shows that picture A4 shows the entrance to your sister's apartment.

Yes, you can see the door to her.

So Mr Casada, do you represent recognize that picture that I've handed you that we've marked as A5?

Yes.

What is it show?

That is the door, the entry door to the third floor.

Okay.

And in that picture in A5, you can actually see the door entrance to your sister's apartment on the second floor, yes.

Please repeat Jeff.

Sure.

In that photograph, you can also see the second floor entrance to your sister's apartment.

Yes.

If we could I could just interject momentarily.

On A4, you can see the steps to the right and the second floor apartment to the left.

If you look down the hall, you can see another door that appears to have a dead bolt on it as well.

That is a five, and that's a five door.

I'm getting there.

Well no, a five's door is not visible in A4.

The door I'm referring to would be behind the photographer who took A5.

It looks like according to the floor plans, like it might go into the primary bedroom on the second floor.

So it's a second entrance into Mr.

Casata in A five.

But on the second floor there's also an entrance to what is marked as the primary bedroom.

Yes.

If I may, I'm straight quick.

This is A4, correct?

So essentially what I'm asking is to confirm that from the second floor hallway.

That is the door to the primary bedroom.

Okay, so so from the second floor hallway, there are two separate ways to access the second floor apartment.

So in elecondo nivel I do mana de entrar el sec el secondo partamento.

Yes.

Okay.

And then there's also a way to access the third floor apartment from the second floor, yes.

Yes, through the hallway.

Okay.

And who lives now on the third floor?

Our mother.

And who does she live there with, if anyone?

With her partner.

Okay.

How many bedrooms are currently on the third floor?

Two bedrooms.

Okay.

And is it your intention if we were to be granted the relief to keep it as two bedrooms on the third floor?

Yes.

Okay.

So I misspoke.

You'd like to have this be three units and six bedrooms, two on each floor.

So niveles de doas habitations, and total seis habitations.

Yes, that is correct.

And that would not require any structural changes to the property currently.

No, no necessarious.

No, it would not be necessary.

And that wouldn't converting it to three separate units would also not add any additional residence to the property currently.

Yes, it wouldn't.

To get to the third floor apartment, you have to go through the hallway of the second floor or down the fire escape, yes?

Through the hallway in the second floor and through the emergency uh stairway in the the fire escape.

For your mother to get to your apartment, she'd have to go through her locked door, come down two flights of stairs, hallway stairs, and then open your locked door.

Is that right?

Yes, you would be able to go through through the hallway until you get to that point.

Mr.

Casada, I'm showing you what we've had marked as exhibit a six.

Do you recognize that picture?

Usted reconoce the imagin?

Yes.

You took that picture.

Tomo Safoto?

Yes.

Is that a picture of the front hallway of your home?

Yes, to the main entrance.

And on the right hand side of that photograph, are there three are there mailboxes installed on the wall?

Yes, that is correct.

Do you use those mailboxes now?

Yes.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize the photograph that I've handed you that's been marked as A7?

Yes.

What's it show?

You can see the meter for the elect electricity.

Yes, it looks like previously there were three and now there's only one.

Okay.

And if you were granted the relief that we're asking for this evening, you'd be committed to working with the utilities to make sure all three of those meters are uh set back up separately, yes.

Yes.

Do you know how big your property is, square footage?

Um no recuerdo numero esalto.

I don't recall the exact number, but approximately two thousand seven hundred square feet.

So if I told you that the first floor was one thousand four square feet, would you agree with me?

And that the second floor was nine hundred and sixteen square feet, that makes sense to you.

Yes.

And the third floor floor space is eight hundred and sixty-two square feet.

Yes.

And there's additional square footage in the house that's in the interior hallways that connect the first floor to the second floor, yeah.

Yes, correct.

And do you know how big the lot is that the house sits on?

I don't recall the exact number at this time.

Okay.

If I told you that the lot square footage was 2070 square foot, 18 by 115 feet, does that seem sound right?

Could you repeat the number again, please?

2070.

Yes.

Yes.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize what's been marked as exhibit A8, the photograph in front of you?

Yes, it is the garage of the home.

Okay.

Is it currently used as a garage or is it used as storage?

Like a garage.

Who uses the garage?

I do.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize what I've put in front of you the photograph marked A9?

Yes, it is the back side of the home.

Okay, and that shows the backyard between the rear of the property, rear of the building and the garage.

Yes.

And the garage has exterior access to Court Street.

Yes.

Mr.

Casada, do you recognize the uh A10, the exhibit that I put in front of you?

Yes.

What is that?

It is an architectural rentation of the parking lot.

And it shows that you could fit two vehicles in the parking lot in the backyard there.

That is correct.

And if you were granted the relief that we're requesting tonight, uh if permitted by the ordinances, you would intend to place two additional parking spaces in the rear lot there.

But again, uh where does every I'm just take that back?

You park in the garage, where does your sister park currently?

Usted se parque in the garage dont se parquet?

She was paying for a spot in a parking lot that is located near the home.

How many parking lots are located within let's say uh a city block of your house?

Two parking lots.

And if you were granted the relief that were requesting this evening, you'd be willing to require that any tenant rent space in one of those parking lots for at least one vehicle.

Yes.

And your intention is to rent to your family at this point.

Yes.

And you'd be willing to consent that if we were granted the relief tonight, the same conditions would apply to anyone who rented that was not your family.

Yes.

And if uh this property has three kitchens, one on each floor, yes.

Yes.

And does it need to have three kitchens, one on each floor?

Necessita tener thresinas, una in cada nivel.

The three kitchens are there, but we're currently only using the first four kitchen.

So your entire family goes out of their apartment, comes down the stairs, enters your apartment through a locked door to use your kitchen.

So family sale de su apartamento de la puerta de su apartamento baja les escalera y usa la cocina del primer piso.

Yes, it is that's correct.

Alright.

And if this relief were not granted tonight, would it be your intention to convert those kitchens on the second and third floor to additional bedrooms?

Yes.

And if we're not granted the relief this evening, would you also be exploring converting the structure of the interior home to make sure you could get from the first floor to the second floor without going through two locked doors?

Yes.

Would that require structural changes to the interior of the home in your opinion?

Yes.

So that we're clear, you're asking the zoning hearing board to approve converting this to a three unit each with two bedrooms, yes.

Yes, that is correct.

I don't think I have any other questions.

Obviously, if the board has questions of the witness, I'm happy to let that happen.

Okay.

Um I have um some questions regarding the parking.

So in looking at A10, the diagram of the parking spots, could you explain to me?

Um I see the garage and that fronts on Peach Street, the alley.

So oh yep.

Sorry.

No, no, no, please.

Um Tasconelacionala Con relacional garage.

Sekesa parte la calle Peach.

Okay.

And so with the two proposed uh parking spaces, that would be in the yard.

Yes, in the backyard.

And and so those cars would have to enter on courts.

So carrossendrian can vehicle as a garage.

It would be the same entryway that the garage uses.

Okay, but would it require additional curb cuts to the sidewalk?

No, creo que son necessary.

No, I don't believe it would be necessary.

Okay.

Do you do you guys understand?

I'm a little confused.

So the I think this I I do have another photograph that might be helpful.

Yes.

And then the entrance to the garage is over here.

So you would take out this fence and the cars would just pull in here like this.

Yes.

So it's a separate entrance from the garage.

The garage entrance would be over here, and they would be entering on the same street.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

So though I said I was done, I just want to I've handed everyone exhibit A11, Mr.

Casada.

Do you recognize the picture that I handed to you A11?

Yes.

You took that picture.

Yes.

That's a picture taken from your property on Court Street.

Yes.

And if you were permitted to do so, your intention would be have the vehicles park, but enter on enter from Court Street, yes.

Yes, that's correct.

You'd remove that retaining wall or that structural wall there that's in the picture.

Yes, that is correct.

And it appears there's sidewalk there, but you'd work with the city as permitted to to either have a curb cut or whatever the city would allow for entrance and off court street.

Yes, that is correct.

And then just one more parking question.

The um the item in our packet says that two spaces are being proposed.

However, on A ten, I see the garage, which is one space all right, existing space, and then two additional spaces, so a total of three spaces.

Right, so I think that's on my narrative error.

Uh and we can talk about my imperfections with typing and and and proofreading, but it's two new spaces.

Okay.

There's one existing space.

So the proposal would be we can create a total of three.

As I stand here, there are gonna be headaches and hurdles with the city regarding putting those two parking spaces in.

It's done as an intention to show that this applicant's willing to do whatever's necessary to add more parking, which a lot of applications that you all get, there's an impossibility of adding parking.

This is a theoretical possibility of adding parking.

So I guess a follow-up to that.

Um should um these two new proposed spots not be permitted by the city for for whatever reason, or maybe it's something that we're we don't want to see uh taking up the yard space.

Um do you anticipate having any issue trying to lease additional spaces?

Because right now you can't do that.

He's gonna answer half he's gotta translate half of that.

Sorry.

Um seria labilidad in que usted solicitar esos parqueos arrentar.

I had contacted the owners of the parking lots, and they did mention they have spaces available, and it would just be a matter of getting coming to an agreement.

Okay, thank you.

Is this is this the parade?

This would be the wall.

This is this wall.

This is the wall.

And this is just a uh a wooden or a composite uh wall could be taken down, there's nothing structural.

No, it's just uh wood.

Yeah, privacy wall, it's just okay.

Thank you.

Um what what specific changes would be required other than just either unlocking or removing locks on doors?