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With that, can we have an introduction and roll call?

We'll call we're going to start off with Chair AJ Jordan.

Here we have Dave Hubert.

Here.

Philip Hart.

Here.

Alex and Skelespick here.

Addie Sheer.

Bob Hammond.

We have two absent four members present.

We have four.

I conclude my role call.

Great.

I forget.

Minutes.

Okay.

All right.

Has any everyone had a chance to review the minutes for December?

Yes.

I do have one minor note.

Um very very minor syntactical on page three under 2026 meeting dates.

It's just uh Mr.

Huber has a comma instead of a period.

Doesn't change the content.

No other notes.

What did I do?

There was just a small file and the punctuation type.

Okay.

Good catch.

Somebody read them.

All right.

With that, let's move on to new business.

126.

A motion for the minutes.

Oh, yes.

May I have a motion to approve the minutes?

I will submit.

Okay, Philip.

And a second.

Alex.

Alex seconded.

Okay.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

I heard everybody's have it.

All right.

Now we can go on to new business 126, 128 or 15th Street.

I believe that was B.

Yes.

Yes.

Representing Danny Pena.

Council.

Amy?

126 to 128 North 15th Street is a double home located in the West Park SARP district.

It's a gable end with a symmetrical facade and a play towel roof and uh copper gall stops and flashing.

This is uh a violation correction.

Um removal of the terracotta clay towel roof um with a proposal to install engineered composite tile matching the original design.

Staff observations and comments.

The original roof of 126 to 128 North 15th Street was a Spanish barrel tile, terracotta clay tile.

It appears that the original roofing materials have been completely removed at the main roof areas and replacement with a red shake style architectural asphalt sinkle was begun until work was stopped.

The applicant has submitted an alternate material for review, brava's Spanish tile Spanish barrel tile, the synthetic material that matches the original clay tile.

This product appears to be an appropriate alternate material as color options, profile and appearance are consistent with the original historic clay.

No specific color was proposed by the applicant from the color chart.

Antique clay appears to be the closest match the original clay.

The applicant may obtain samples and submit photos to staff showing the sample and the remaining original tile for final selection.

The application does not indicate if the original clay tile at the projecting ease at the first floor and the gable ends are intended to remain or to be replaced with the other roof areas.

If these areas are in sound condition, they should be maintained or repaired where required.

If they are intended to be removed, evidence of the condition of these areas should be submitted for review prior to any material removal.

Evidence includes detailed photographs that show damage or to or deteriorated conditions.

The application has been made for roofing material only and does not include other elements of the roof system, including downspouts and gutters.

If modifications or changes are to be made to elements besides the roofing material itself, a separate application should be made to review those items.

Staff recommend approval with the following conditions.

Okay.

Is there anything you would like to add?

No.

Just making sure, just so that I heard correctly.

So the original and the front stage, it's mainly we're we're talking about the top.

Basically, the big the bigger part of the roof, right?

Because there's a smaller part, and then there's the right.

Are you replacing?

Do you intend to replace all of it or just the upper part?

There's the upper part just yeah, because it's the one that really affects the so the rest of it.

Should be still exists.

Yeah, correct.

Okay, correct.

Do you have an overall photo right?

So um just for clarification.

So what I was talking about in the review correct is the area right above the floor, and then this kind of correct band here.

Yeah, that's they correct.

That's how that's how we have it.

That's how we are.

Yeah, and sorry, when they send me the samples, they send the wrong watch.

But as you saw in the in everywhere else in the pamphlets, we you do have what we need through that company.

If you scroll down, there's actually photos of that was installed with this.

Um it's right here.

So they also show it on that.

Yeah, right.

So I think so.

I think it's uh a good having that in hand and understanding that Cena documentation.

I think it's fine.

Yeah.

Did you um just out of curiosity?

Were you able to compare that color, the existing color of the roof?

I did not know.

When I when I basically everything I did, I did online.

Um, but no, we didn't physically go into the house and see.

Although we still have the stuff in the we have never moved it.

Do you have you know you have a lot of tiles?

Um, we should because nothing has been removed.

Everything that it's in the back.

I know the sort of the tenants barcana were like you gotta give us a second we need to make sure that we're in terms with everything that we need from the city, and then we'll worry about everything else.

Okay, do you still get your plans for those tiles?

Move forward.

Possibly just this car, the modern sea that was doing anything else with it.

Alex, do you have room to put up?

There we go.

It would be excellent if you could donate them to the preservation league.

Sure.

Um I don't know how good they would be, but there's got to be some good ones.

Sure, sure.

So with there's some will there be someone that would go in and sort of click and choose.

How does that work?

Sorry.

I will forget my slant.

So anyway, um, this is the right guy.

Okay.

Um as far as like the tiles and stuff, we can check to see which ones are good because there's it could be usable for passing a few things around town.

Um like sometimes when people need something repair, they only need one or two.

Okay.

And it helps add little inventory just for districts.

Of course, of course.

And you would pick those up at the site.

Yeah, I could do it.

Yeah, it's a matter of just telling me what and then because again, I'm the person in contact for it, and again, they're they're in the back.

They're if anything had been exposed to the elements, you know, the rainwater and all of that.

But other than that, if you tell us, hey, we're gonna go out this day.

I just have to let the tenants know not that anybody's really gonna care to be honest.

Yeah, because there you don't even have to go through anything.

Just it.

Great.

Um, you suggested the antique clay, correct?

Yes.

Okay.

Um is that just based on a photo or is that just based on the imagery from the website and what I can see in the images.

Is that what this color is?

That's that's what's called plus influencer.

That's looking for the phone above it, yeah.

Yeah, I can see Tuscan vintage terracotta or antique being here.

And the good news is there's no immediate context, it's just neighborhood context.

So I'd be fine with any of those three colors approved by staff.

Well, it does meet up with the front roof.

The overhang roof, like pretty much.

Yeah, so you can always take those those things, even though it's not the same profile, you can take the sample and see how well the color matches up to what's gonna remain and see what that would be.

That's what we're recommending.

Is it's you know, taking those different colors and see what it actually is.

Uh condition of staff approval.

Just the see the color and how it's colored.

Can you approve it together by the color and and maybe even somewhat the size of the I mean we're not gonna be that picky, but just that'd be nice enough.

I can I'll I mean I'll I can add that it's a condition, right?

Just say that the that the color and the profile be similar to what is pre-existing.

That would be the recommendation recommendation and could submit that after it's so would the so I'm sorry, so then would that be so say for example I request another sample from the company say that's a play?

And I guess something similar as it clayed.

Yeah, picture, take it in, bring it to you.

What exactly?

So uh you have you said you still have some of the original tiles.

Correct.

If you're able to take a picture, okay, the sample and the original tile next to each other.

We all see we'll be able to see the contrast.

Okay.

Maybe they can send you the vintage terra and the tuscan clay as samples.

I have a feeling the anti-clay is gonna be too bright.

Um that's like more muted because it looks weathered and this looks really good.

Like that's their color of the that might be the color that will be the right one, but it would be better if we had another sample to compare it.

Were they quick on this run around when you asked them for this?

Weak, maybe okay.

I mean, if I get on it tonight, uh find out.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I got samples of that myself, but I didn't they only sent me the flat tile, they didn't send me the barrel tile.

And my and to be honest, I know that when I made a request, I know exactly what I what I made the request for.

That wasn't it, it wasn't slate.

I ordered specifically that.

However, if that's what they sent, and my mistake was I left it on the box, left it there, because to be honest, I had uh my mother passed away, so my life changed.

And then knowing that I just kind of like okay, this is what I knew I had, and this is what I knew that we were preparing because we ahead of time.

We already kind of had an approval more or less.

So I didn't really have to do much thing in after that.

So yeah, all right.

Are we any other color?

Uh the only thing I'm not clear on is um like the the ridge valley and hip caps are we using this uh Brava material for those as well.

They do make a ridge cap.

They have that in the material, yeah.

I'm I'm just not clear in this application if that is being proposed here.

Right.

So where roofs hit that it's called the ridge caper top, yeah.

Well, the where the roofs meet it there's there's a special tile that goes there.

I I'm guessing that you would need to replace those as well, right?

Yeah, okay.

They will have that product, and if there's already ones that are pre-existing, that they would be maintained and be used.

But is that what you'd go for, AJ?

Yeah, yeah.

Um, I just don't know if we need to make that a condition, you know.

I think it would be I think that cover, I think it's saying if we have if we have existing tile that is in good condition on the roof, I was all that is as it is that that should be maintained.

And that would include the the ridge caps, right?

But I do notice in this current material and roof in the application with the shake that the ridge and valley are missing currently.

So I just I just wouldn't want like part of the roof to have new material and part of the roof to have no material.

Okay, so as long as all the caps are the same.

Uh okay, yeah.

And I trust that this manufacturers that that tile meets that copy that else.

Um yeah, the valleys we want to be sure they're dealt with.

Um proper manner, because there's more than one way to do the valley.

Like if you look at the photograph from the manufacturer here, they have a closed valley.

But if you look back at the original picture here, it has an open valley.

So that's what we should request there.

Okay.

And I can't tell what the material is.

I would assume that would be copper, but hard to tell.

I mean, all the other classes.

Also copper.

Oh, right.

All the downspouts are copper.

I would yeah, that must be copper.

All right.

So that would be one other condition.

And the gutters and downspouts that all that's all in good condition.

Yeah, it is.

Okay, good.

Dave, did you just suggest that they install copper on the valleys?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

Most likely that's what it was.

Is that a condition that can be met by the owner?

At least an equivalent material.

Um well, there's some there's a product made that sort of kind of looks like copper, but it's not like somebody like us would spot it a mile away.

But I don't you familiar with it?

It's it's coated with that kind of coppery looking finish on it.

It's I don't know how well it holds up.

It holds up better than galvanized, but but I don't know how long it holds up.

And it still looks off.

I don't know.

And it won't it won't uh patina like the like the rest of the copper on the house.

So it's always gonna look different.

With the real copper, it'll just it'll age in.

So in with in that picture, would that be something that you can't see it in this picture?

Okay.

If you bring up another picture, it probably would fill up.

Do you have another picture, Brandon?

Oh, here's one of the application.

We're kind of on the left picture.

Can you go to the valley here?

The valley, yeah, right.

There you go.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I would be curious to hear the rest of the board's temperature on that.

For me, the the ridge and hip caps are paramount, and the valley could be either this copper system or the Brava system.

Um agnostic on the the valleys, as long as they're similar across the roof.

But I'd be curious to hear the rest of the board on that.

Yeah, well, they're just showing in a sample of it in this photo.

That's I doubt if that's something that they're specifically recommending.

There's just more than one way to do it, that's all.

And I agree.

We were just suggesting that because that's how the exist the um the old roof was done with the open valley.

But I suppose it wouldn't really matter that much.

I mean the basic roof itself is the right material.

I can be flexible on that.

I think as long as the the style overall is consistent with what was pre-existing, uh if that needs to be changed, I think that I'm okay with it as long as it is cohesive and designed.

It may be I don't know what would be more work, more difficult to install.

It may be more difficult to do the do the closed valley because you have to fit the tiles into each other.

So unless there's a strong objection from the rest of the board, I would suggest that condition be the valley condition be approved by staff, right?

Um be approved by staff, you know, whichever whether it's can whether it's the bronzo material or the copper material, we just wouldn't require.

I'm suggesting not requiring the copper version.

Right.

But if it is an open valley, I think it should be copper.

If it's closed, it then it doesn't matter.

They just need the ice water show, whatever they'll do there.

Right.

If you'd like to if you'd like to do it that way, yep.

So my ignorance with that being said, I guess obviously it's more question for the roofer than anything else, but you should prior, we need prior approval, but he won't get in there and start doing until he starts seeing because I don't know if that part is maybe was saved somehow or anything.

It's not something that would have been saved, I doubt it.

Okay.

What and I see on the current condition picture that at least one of them is not saved.

So you're gonna have to address it.

Um and you might be able to just have the roofer uh state which version they'd approve or they they'd propose, and staff can just kind of give a thumbs up on that.

Right.

I think you should ask the guy what his proposed using these materials and the ones you find, how he would do the valleys.

Yeah, what what was in this proposal?

Because even if they save the original material, it's probably after being a hundred years old, it's probably not worth trying to salvage.

Yeah, I there will be flexibility, but I think we just want to know ahead of time if you talk to the guy, then you can call staff and all right.

So are we ready to put this thing together?

It looks like AJ, you have anything further?

No, I think so.

Okay.

No, if you wrong one.

All right, so I moved to approve with conditions.

The application presented on January 5th, 2026 for a placement of roofing at 126 and 128 North 15th Street.

Um that the Brava system be attained, a sample of the barrel configuration with colors that are closest to the existing color, and that that be submitted to staff ahead of time.

That the hip rake and ridges would be consistent with consistent in design throughout, and if possible to match previous.

But we're okay with either the copper or the well, that's valued in the valley.

No, so we'll come to the valleys.

And so I pause that so the hip rake and ridges be submitted to staff ahead of time as well to make sure they're consistent.

And then that the proposal for the valleys by the roofer would also be submitted to staff, whether open or closed, um, for staff approval.

If it's open, it would be copper closed.

If it's open of the roof, if it's open, then it'd be copper consistent with previous design.

And if it's closed, that the roofer would disclose it before staff approves.

I find compliance with no changes for the gutters or down spouts.

Oh, right, and that the gutters and downspouts um are maintained as current.

Um, that there are no submitted changes, and if there are that there's submit those changes being a separate application.

Um, and again, the final color uh matches with what is there and is approved by staff beforehand.

I find a plans for the following section is the guidelines for stork district chapter three, section 3.1 roofs, and find that there are not circumstances you need to the property.

That was very long one.

Excellent.

Can I get a second?

I'll second that.

Oh, that was so close.

I think we need a replay on that one.

Let's give it to Alex.

All right.

All those in favor?

I saved.

Excellent.

Thank you very much.

And you will contact Brandon.

Thank you.

Thank you, Crossberry Care of this application.

I'm excited about it.

Yeah, thank you very much for the details.

I know there's a lot there, but yeah, I got most of what I need anyway.

Uh do you need any out of this?

Do I need it?

Um samples.

Um keep a sample with us, we'd like to no please.

By all means, I mean this help to get anyway.

We can keep some of this.

That'd be great.

Uh physical materials keep everything about the amount of people that come in with roof stuff.

And we have that on hand.

That's a keep it.

I would have I have what I need on online anyway.

So you don't need anything else from here, right?

Okay, okay.

All right, thank you.

Very much happy to hear you too.

Thank you.

Okay, next up in the agenda is 521 North 6th Street.

Would that be you?

Yes.

Amy?

The 521 North Sixth Street is located in the old fairgrounds of Stark District.

It's an attached row home dwelling with um Queen Anne influences and uh in a front porch and a projecting tower.

Um from the application.

Um, and note that this is a violation correction.

Um existing exterior wood window panels and surrounding wood components exhibit deterioration, including raw in multiple locations.

In addition, sections of the socket board are missing, leaving the assembly exposed and vulnerable to further damage.

The scope of work includes the careful removal of all deteriorated and damaged wood elements around the affected window areas and sockets.

Any unsound material will be replaced with new pressure treated lumber or structural integrity or voice for exposure is a concern.

On top of the pressure treated substrate, new exterior trim boards will be custom card and installed to match the existing architectural pattern and profile, ensuring visual clouds community with the original design, all replacement controllers will be securely fastened, properly aligned, and prepared for exterior finishing.

All work will be performed in accordance with standard construction practices to restore durability, weather resistance, and architectural appearance.

Uh staff comments and observations.

The applicant offered a descriptive approach to the treatment of deteriorated wood elements at wood panel at window panels and soffits.

The photographs submitted, focus on the second floor projecting bay window.

More information will be helpful to understand the extent of the work area, um, such as confirming that the work is only at the second floor projecting bay window or other areas of the facade are included.

Generally, it's appropriate for the exterior face of the wood trim to be scribed to match the original wood trim detailing.

All wood surfaces should be painted.

The proposed scope calls for adding new scribe trim onto replaced substrate.

Based on the submitted photos, it appears that the replacement wood is in plane with the original scribe trim.

More information would be helpful to understand how a consistent finished plane will be achieved, ensuring that edges align appropriately to adjacent elements such as other trim and window sills.

Staff record requests more information on the extent of the work area and the approach for achieving a consistent plane of the trim surface.

Generally, the proposed approach to replacing the wood trim um thing kind is appropriate.

All exposed wood surfaces should be painted.

Okay.

So we fully understand what the first of all, why everything was taken apart, and secondly, um how you intend to put it together that it looks like it used to look.

Well, pretty straightforward because that was pretty much the condition that we found it when we arrived there.

So we were hired to replace this.

Well, to put a new software there because it was missing, and then we replaced the rotten wood there.

But the thing is that every other panels were bad as well.

So we removed it and we replaced it.

We replaced the what the wood behind there.

And I didn't know that that was so important part of the bay window, otherwise I would I would leave it as it is, but it was bad.

So we replace it for new wood as you see in the picture there.

And what we have to do actually is try to copy the the pattern there and put a new panel on the top of the new wood that we have replaced.

Because that was as you can see in the picture, because it was completely rotten.

So we even if we replace the just the paneling, they will have problems in the future because the water was seeping in in the in the window.

So what we're just going to do is just copy exactly how we was and put it a pan on the top of the new wood.

So that's gonna make the whole yeah, so it's simply thicker.

Probably it's going to be a little bit thicker, yeah.

But what material are you proposing to use for this?

Probably a clear cypress or western red cedar beetle.

Or pressure-treated wood regular.

That's not so great.

Oh, it does not warps and get off.

Just uh are you going to use like a uh a CAD program or something, or are you just going to try to scrap out where you want?

What I'm going to do is I'm going to copy with the paper exactly how it is.

So I don't miss anything.

That's no back's the one back there.

So if you need that for a pattern, that'd probably be easiest way.

What what the uh oh yeah, yeah, sure, sure.

Yeah.

But we we have to go up there anyways because we don't have these part there because that was for the for the top of the yeah, because I was thinking the ones on the side are a lot more simple.

It seems like it's yeah, exactly.

Should be able to just route that out straight.

Sure.

Yeah, that looks like you can do it with a router.

Yeah, that's but the other ones, I wonder if they could do that on a CNC.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

But how would you get the program to how did you program to get there?

Must be a way, right?

Uh I mean, I'm I mean, I'm less not familiar with not entirely sure how to do it, but like uh remember um I was going back like seven years.

My place came up, they were able to reproduce those one things, no problem.

Okay, I've done it already myself.

I hang on cloud.

Yeah, I I think I think I'm as long as the result is very much matching.

I mean, I'm okay with whatever exactly we don't know, but we're just looking for it.

Easy way to do that, right?

Yeah, yeah.

We don't know how to get it.

I'm really glad that you already intend to make it look the same.

That's the most important thing.

The route to get there, I think is the interesting thing.

We don't need to make this overly complex.

We don't want the outcome to appreciate that.

Yeah, exactly.

I mean, this is very cool.

I agree with you, Philip, but I think our best course of action there is to just in the conditions state the materials and the thickness, and then um approval of the pattern by staff before they're installed, just a picture of it.

Um, and that that way we can move forward, whether it's hand carved, whether it's stenciled, whether it's CNC'd.

Um, you know, the original is not perfect, but we definitely can't have it be sloppily hand-drawn, and it doesn't sound like the applicant is proposing to do that.

So I think we can leave it open to whichever method produces the best result, just with a note that staff would have to approve um the the final design uh appearance.

All right, I'd be comfortable with that.

And also before I just want to make sure uh because we never started uh for the applicant in the room.

Are you Mr.

Mandara?

Yes.

Okay, great, okay, great.

Thanks.

So is it your intent where the crown holding is working against that facial piece there?

You're gonna that's you want to keep that as as you did it there and put the new um cartridge piece.

Yeah, on the top of the okay.

That would be very difficult to to do when you know it's just a mock-up, right?

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, but yeah, as long as you don't get too thick that it affects the uh the drip of the yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah.

We yeah, we we're going to try to exactly as he was.

So yeah.

So and then when you're done, this the distance from the window frame, yeah.

You know, the actual the frame of the replacement window there to the face of the wood, it's gonna be uniform all the way around the wood, right?

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, not like we're seeing there right now.

No, no, no, you say it's not doing too like that.

Yeah, no, no, that's that's the structural fix.

I mean, okay, but Amy, you you mentioned something about scribing in there.

I'm I'm not sure I understand your meaning on that because we scribe things, but I think we have might have a slightly different meaning.

Um I was referring to just the detail of the carving of the wood trim.

So these like more native.

I'm going to take that.

If you allowed me, so I thought you were referring to fitting something.

Yeah.

I just want to just want to be clear on I was also referring to uh just based off what the pictures were showing.

It looked like some of the the replacement wood um was more in plain, like it looks very consistent with that outer face of the original wood panels out of here.

Yeah, so it looks like you know the the original panel here isn't playing with the the new header above here.

So when you add the trim up top there, that alignment might you have to you might you have to mitocunt so you can have a very close angle between them.

So right sheds water, yeah.

Okay, good.

Yeah, that sounds proper.

And then the one clarification question that I had was is the work just around like what we're seeing on the screen here, or is there other wood elements?

No, no, it's just uh just what do you see there?

Okay, great.

Is it are you doing anything with the windows fill?

No, no, okay, nothing at all.

Yeah, I think with the staff approval on the carving, I think it starts into a good project, yeah.

And also on the on the type of wood, because a thinner piece of pressure tree like that's not going to be stable, regardless of which mean it or not.

But what do you suggest saying, like cypress or or uh or mahogany or um cedar, that would be fine.

You want to put that as a condition, yeah.

But the the the material type here, the the wood type be submitted to staff.

I don't know.

I think so.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um other comments.

Okay.

I'm good.

So I move to approve the application on 526 for replacement window trim panels at 521 or 6th Street.

The conditions at the wood replacement be uh one that would be suitable for carving and longevity, uh, such as cedar, uh your cypress.

Mahogany or that would be submitted to staff.

Okay.

And um and I find appliance with the following sections of the guidelines for historic districts, chapter three, section 3.2 wood siding and treatment find that they're not circumstances unique to this property.

Can I get a second?

I'll second Philip.

All is in favor.

I got it on.

Thank you very much.

And you'll be able to put Brandon then sure on the approval of the thank you so much.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I I can take that.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Big help.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Um you would want to go over the magistrate case for everybody.

We're over there last month.

It's just on the agenda just to give everyone a reminder that it's coming up this week.

Driving on the night.

Because we need to not getting to this.

It still looks great.

That's just for affirmation of what type of payment.

If anybody's did you hear that?

If if anybody's available, like and you have any interest in it, the magistrate case on the uh property at Python 2.

When is that happening?

On Friday at 1 30.

Is that here?

Schedule or city hall.

Oh, that's a that's a court.

Right.

Which court?

Uh right over here.

Yeah, Santiago.

So he's over here district court.

You can go to the one.

I like it for the main, yeah.

I've gone before.

Gotta show some support here.

Um anything else?

Uh other matters.

We have other business.

I just wanted to bring up a training opportunity that we have January 22nd.

I think it'll be very interesting.

Um, it's a webinar.

See if I can bring it up.

I'll read it out just to give you a kind of like a summary of this.

The success of the historic preservation efforts depends on not just good policies, but on the skilled hands that carry them out.

If fewer crafts people entering the field and experienced practitioners retiring, many communities struggle to find qualified tradespeople to repair windows, restore masonry, or repair or maintain historic buildings using appropriate materials.

This webinar will explore why the preservation trades matter to local governments, how workforce shortages impact project quality, and what commissions and staff can do to support training, public outreach, and sustainable preservation outcomes.

Learn how cities across the country are building partnerships and programs to keep preservation practical, affordable, and resilient.

So I think this is something that we struggle with trying to get those resources out, trying to kind of inform the community as to how to properly do these um modifications and restorations.

I think this is something that will benefit all the members.

And as members are required to take webinars.

Yeah, man.

All right, yeah.

We got eyes from everyone here.

Yeah.

What time?

Is that one o'clock?

Um I will register you guys.

So you payment is not required.

Okay.

Yep, I'll put me on there, please.

Uh what day is this?

January 22nd, one o'clock.

There's Thursday the 22nd.

I will be driving back from Cincinnati that afternoon.

Uh, but I can attend if you know, and listen if you're comfortable with that.

That's fine.

That's fine.

And then I'll extend the invitation to Patty and Heidi as well and Rob.

Anything else?

Do we have the HPDO review?

Oh, we have the HP DL review?

HBDO review, we're gonna postpone until next month.

Okay, we'll postpone that to next month.

Speaking with my zoning supervisor for Sky Wait.

Great.

Okay.

Um is your question about chambers.

But if we're good, we're good.

I didn't hear you got a question about chambers.

Are you talking about the location AJ?

Oh, yeah, we were just wondering like if is there any progress on that, or is it not gonna happen?

No, it can happen.

As long as we have uh availability, it'll move forward.

It's just getting everything in line because like I said, we have a lot of things that are published saying that the meeting is on the fifth floor, so we have to make sure we have everything that's published, but we just updated our website.

Well, and the tickets too.

And the things the times and dates and everything.

So we have to make sure, but we do have an availability.

There is a slot open downstairs in the chambers.

We already kind of audited and make sure that there's a section open consistently throughout the year, and that date, I believe I said was Tuesday.

Tuesday, is that good with the other board members?

We discussed it last month.

And that brand, my only request is that we just give two months notice so that we can adjust our schedule.

Will this be on the first Tuesday or second Tuesday a month?

First Tuesday.

So that will always be a conflict for me.

We talked about second Tuesday.

That was the West Park, right?

Yeah, okay.

I mean with West Park meeting is at seven o'clock on the first Tuesday of every month.

Same night.

It's been that way forever.

Yeah.

So if I mean if this would be if we would move this like once in a while to that Tuesday, I would not have a problem with it, but if it's every month, I would not.

But if it's every month I would not okay so we'll keep that in mind second Tuesday is more that would be better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would do that.

Are you good with yeah second I I'll just have to let manager know work.

Because I don't like the schedules anymore.

Okay.

Anyone like to adjourn uh okay I'll second all those in favor aye good stuff.

Happy new year.

All right.

Well we can like discuss that what we were discussing before the meeting all the time.

Oh shoot.

They put like different if you guys could hang out just for a minute we got something to discuss yeah what's up um again did he drop right oh didn't drop