Good evening again, ladies and gentlemen.

My name is Dr.

Ignacio Nunez.

I serve as chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission for the City of Arlington.

I hereby call this regularly noticed meeting of the City of Arlington's Planning and Zoning Commission regular session to order for November the 12th, 2025.

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First item of agenda is the minutes from the October 29th, 2025 regular session agenda meeting, and they were sent to all the commissioners in advance.

Were there any changes or corrections that were needed to these minutes?

If there are none, I do have a motion to approve.

I do from Commissioner Blake.

And I have a second by Commissioner Finley.

Please cast your vote.

Motion passes nine to nothing.

Next on the agenda, we have the amendment to rules for public comment.

First, do I have a motion to suspend the rules at this point in time?

Oh maybe first we ought to hear what the changes are.

Thank you.

Thank you, Honorable Chair and Council uh Commission.

Uh I'm here today on an unusual item.

Uh so rarely that you change your rules, but uh I'm here to address your rules of public comment.

Uh the Arlington City Council amended its rules of public comment uh with the approval of resolution 25-228 on September 16th, 2025.

Uh staff has been instructed to bring similar amendments for consideration and approval by all appointed boards and commissions, including the Planning and Zoning Commission.

Uh Galen Gett and your land use attorney here to present those uh changes to the rules.

Uh the only proposed change before you tonight uh is uh uh eliminating some uh extra verbiage uh regarding the public on uh public comment on at open meetings.

Uh but I will note for the record that there is no changes to the uh speaking timelines, uh that the time limits are or anything like that for the public.

I think they will not notice uh that there's been any change.

Unfortunately, and I apologize for this error, uh, looking at your rules of comment, uh your your rules of procedure.

If I became aware that uh in order to do a rule of procedure, you needed to have it on your agenda and then come back and vote on it the next meeting.

However, the very next rule in your rule of public comment or your your rules of uh procedure states that you can suspend the rules by a two-thirds vote.

So I would ask if the council, if the commission is interested in adopting these rules tonight that you take a voice vote, uh a motion to suspend the rules if that passes by uh at least six votes, then you can take a record vote uh to adopt these proposed changes.

And I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

Uh well, for for the public, uh we looked through the rules upstairs, and there is a it's a minor change.

And uh and it had to do with um Gaitlin, why don't you tell us what it had to do with primarily?

First one first one was you couldn't just use your first name, you have to use a full name.

Uh yes, and that was actually uh uh uh an issue that came up here in in the uh at the P and Z uh had an individual came forth and just gave their first name.

And so we've just cleared clear that up that they should give their full name.

Uh they still don't have to give their address, they just need to say that they're resident of Arlington or resident of wherever, uh, but they should give their full name.

And then the other change is to some verbiage regarding uh diversity inclusion uh language, and uh we are proposing to take that out just so that we don't run afoul of any federal government directives.

And that was discussed upstairs.

Yeah.

I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Winkles.

I have a second by Commissioner Ware.

Are there any questions or comments from Actually?

It is a motion to suspend our program our rules first.

Y'all keep me on the strike and can continue to vote tonight.

So this is uh according to rule 1.2.13.

We're we require a two-thirds vote.

And we're gonna take a person vote.

Yeah, feel yes, take a voice vote.

Yes, and we're gonna do a voice vote because we don't have in the computer.

So all those in favor say aye.

Aye.

Aye.

All opposed say no.

The vote passes unanimously.

Vote let the record show nine to nothing.

So we have met the two-thirds uh uh uh vote qualification.

Therefore, I'll entertain a motion to approve the rule the rule changes for the planning and zoning commission.

Correct.

As I stated, I would like to make a motion to amend the rules for public comment as stated by Attorney Gallon.

Thank you.

And Commissioner Ware, is that your second?

That is my second.

Please cast your vote.

Motion passes nine to nothing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Gatton, thank you very much.

Next on the agenda, we have three zoning cases.

The first case is PD 25-10, located at approximately a 7827 South Cooper Street.

This is an application for approval of a change in zoning from flux hybrid and light industrial to a planned development for residential single family RS5 uses with a development plan on approximately 9.62 acres.

At this time, I will call on staff to present its report on PD 25-10.

Chair Commissioners for the record, Clifford Goldstone, principal planner, planning and development services.

Again, this is PD 25-10 addressed at 7819 and 7827 South Cooper Street.

Again, you have uh this is a case that uh was continued from the uh August 6th uh PNZ meeting.

So you have seen this one before.

Again, it's 9.622 acres.

Uh currently zone light industrial and flex hybrid with a request for plan development for RS5 uses.

Uh existing photos of the site and surrounding areas.

And this is the development plan.

Um it's uh recommending uh proposing 54 single family residential detached units at 5.6 units per acre.

Uh originally uh uh the original submittal called for 52 units.

Uh lot ranges will be the same, 3,000 uh 100 to 4,000 square foot in size, will be a combination of one and two-story homes.

There will be a combination of front and rear entry uh units, uh the 24 front entry units, uh, and there will be 30 rear entry units.

Again, there will be designated X lots consisting of common open areas, alleys, and the detention area.

And the applicant is also providing with this submittal uh 27 uh parking spaces uh for guest uh and visit visitor parking, and again the homes will be uh for sale.

Okay, this is just uh uh just kind of a comparison of the two plans uh with the uh this uh submittal uh being up top, the difference is being uh as you see it originally um originally the front loaded units were on the northern portion of the site.

This time they are being relocated to the southern portion.

Uh this will give uh those units will meet uh the setback requirements um for those lots.

Uh the northern, again the the rear entry units are to the northern portion of the lot.

And you have some and you have some common areas, common area here and carmen area there on the northern portion of the lot, and the parking spaces generally in this area on the lot for the guest and visitor parking.

And again, these are just uh larger views of that that newly development plan and the uh previous submittal.

This is site access again, the green with the green areas representing the open space.

The yellow hashed areas will be the uh access points as the site will be accessed via South Cooper Street, and there will be an access provided off of Bell Street.

This is the landscaping.

Something I'll need to correct as well with the landscaping.

I mentioned that uh that the landscaping originally in the staff report that in these areas is 23 and a half feet, it's actually four and a half feet, as I calculated using the from the property line as well as the other uh remaining area, but it should stop at that alleyway.

So on this portion of the site, uh it was reconfigured with the reconfiguration.

It does uh it's the better and uh meet the intent of the of the ordinance.

Uh these two areas are the common areas, so in those areas they will actually meet the setback requirement, buffer width requirement, uh which is 25 feet.

These will exceed uh will be over 40 feet in width, uh, where they won't meet, and they're also providing uh now they're providing trees along that northern border that weren't provided uh initially as part of this submittal, where they don't uh meet the buffer width in roughly these areas in the alleys again is four and a half feet.

They will have trees there, they have the alley, keep in mind.

Although they don't necessarily meet the buffer uh width requirement there, they are better meeting the intent of the ordinance as you will have the alleys here as well.

So for these all structures, all of these structures will be over 50 feet from that northern property line.

You have areas here, this portion again where the um those are 34 feet.

They don't have the buffer, but they are 34 feet from the property line, and this area you have a common area here as well, and that area is roughly 15 to 20 feet from that property line.

Um again um per the uh UDC.

Again, that area that butts the the um the industrial zoning is required level three screening and buffering, which is the trees, it's requiring um 71 total trees.

The applicant is providing 59.

Uh it does require uh six to eight-foot tall masonry wall.

The applicant is providing um six-foot tall wood fencing, but again, the applicant um this uh reconfiguration does better meet the intent of the ordinance.

Again, just the the elevation is gonna be a combination of brick and cemetitious materials.

Uh the development uh plan just shows the interior layouts, and the thing is changing uh with these um deviations uh from the original submittal.

Uh there originally there were 12, there are 10 uh with this one.

Again, it's just in reference to lot size, which is minimum 5,000 square feet.

It's compared there, providing 31 to 4,000.

Then you have the setbacks uh the width is required 50 feet.

They're providing 40 to 45 uh feet width in lots.

Uh the minimum lot depth requirement 70 uh is 100 feet.

Uh, there are the rear loaded are providing 71 feet in depth.

Setbacks, 10 foot front yard setback is required.

The rear loaded units are providing a 10-foot setback, and again, uh they're providing the zero lot line for some units, however, they will uh meet the intent of the ordinance as the units will be they will be the 10 foot, basically five between each lot.

They're gonna have some zero lot line, however, those zero lot line, they will still be 10 feet from the next structure on the next lot.

So they're in a sense, they'll pretty much meet the intent of the ordinance.

And um they're required to preserve 35 percent uh of the trees, a 35 percent preservation is is required.

Uh the applicant is actually it was uh preserving 29 percent with this initially they met the requirement that are gonna fall below they're gonna fall below that requirement this time.

However, uh applicant uh staff does request uh uh that as submitted that they pay the amount required amount, which is 26,000 into the tree preservation reforestation fund, and speaking with the applicant, they are amenable to that.

And again, this is just describing the screening and buffering areas on the northern and the north um northeast corner and that northern property line, just how as previously described in the landscape plan, uh, landscape buffering and screening uh those requirements, and as well with the trees and the fencing required against level three screening and buffering was required masonry wall, um, one tree, three-inch caliper tree every 300 square feet, and a 25-foot buffer.

Again, while they don't meet that in all aspects of that property line, again, the general layout does um does better meet the intent of the ordinance.

And again, the front uh loading front facing garages constitute should not constitute more than 55% of the total width.

Again, they're exceeding that they should not protrude and they do uh project out, and to meet the current linear design requirements for their streets.

Okay, this is just coordination with other plans of identifying uh opportunities for redevelopment and reuse of the aging and high vacancy commercial errors encouraged development of housing choices, evaluate development proposals in context with existing infrastructure and connectivity, evaluate the effectiveness of uh industrial uses on neighborhood and non-industrial uses uh from the uh coordination with the comprehensive plan.

And again, this is a redevelopment into RS5 uses uh adjacent to um light industrial uses, so consideration should be given to whether the proposed location is appropriate for the use at this time.

And if the commission uh again um is inclined to approve the request, staff uh has should I provided their additional um stipulations uh uh from previous uh work session is number one that the eight foot tall masonry wall be installed, a screening fence on the north property line adjoining the industrial parking lot, and then on on the northeast property line adjoining the commercial kennel, the alley loaded homes on the north portion of the site shall front a common open space or meuse that should be at least 10 feet wide and be maintained by an HOA.

This 10 foot X lot shall include a six foot wide sidewalk and landscaping on both sides of the sidewalk.

The alley loaded uh home shall then have a 10 foot front setback from front porches allowed to encroach the setback area by no more than three feet.

The front loaded homes on the south side shall include mandatory anti-monotony standards such as building height, variation, and other and after every four two-story homes, at least one story home be included in speaking with the applicant.

Um, they were amenable um previously into kind of putting some language into the PD about the uh the anti-monotony standards uh within the development.

Uh uh common open space lot at the terminus of each entry drive shall include an art feature or sculpture to create a visual terminus.

The street frontage landscape set back on South Cooper Street shall include perimeter masonry wall with the subdivision signage and enhanced landscaping outside of it.

Again, the applicant is providing signage and the required uh landscaping along South Cooper Street, and the street that is not meeting the curve linear street design standards shall include enhanced pavers at least at two spots, maybe at the common open space lot where the cluster mailbox may be located, and maybe at the last alley and street intersection.

Uh the applicant is MMA, represented by Nikki Moore.

The owner is JG B T L L C again, and also in reference to this, uh, you should have in your packet uh we received four letters of support, one letter of opposition.

Also, we did receive after the time of posting, uh, which was provided upstairs at work session.

We did see we did receive one letter of opposition that was received after posting, or not opposition, I'm sorry, support that was received after posting that is not included in the packet.

So again, it's MMA represented by Nikki Moore and the owner JGBT LLC.

Staff is available for any questions.

Before I open up the floor, Clifford on the front loaded homes on the south side.

When uh you said the applicant was uh amenable to the anti-monotony standards, but I wanted to make sure that uh it's understood that one of the things that we're asking for is that the garage doors will be required to have decorative features.

Right.

So let me say I as probably a question better for the applicant just in our previous copy and set conversation.

Okay, uh, they did mention um that they were amenable to just putting wording in the PD that were required some to kind of combat the anti-monotony.

We'll see what they're rolling.

So yes, that's better question as kind of how they want to go with that.

Are there any questions of staff at this time?

Saying none.

Uh would the applicant please come forward.

And who will be leading the uh the presentation?

What's more?

Thank you.

Good evening.

They're having a little bit of problems with my presentation, so we're gonna hope that this works out all right.

But good evening, commissioners.

Um, it's good to kind of bring this project back before you since it was continued uh back in August.

Um, but we've made some significant changes that I'm excited to kind of walk you through.

Um, just as a little refresher, the site is located in far south Arlington uh with limited access from South Cooper, but really close to Summit High School.

Um, it's about 9.62 acres and long linear, slightly geometrically challenged.

Um, as you can see from the zoning slide, um, the site is generally surrounded by single family, and up until recently in 2023, this whole entire site was zoned residential estate, which would match the zoning just to the south of this product.

Um, in 2021, there was an attempt to rezone from the residential estate to a plan development with RMF 22.

Um, it was approved at P and Z but ultimately denied at City Council.

Again, in 2023, a request was made to rezone it to from residential estate to Flex Hybrid, which is what it is currently.

That was denied at P and Z and then approved at City Council through via an appeal.

Um, since the site has not been developed with flex hybrid use due to its limited ability to travel southbound on Cooper because there's not a median opening, and that is a text dot road.

Um, we're kind of looking at this more to mimic and complement the more residential estate development just to the south.

Um, this is the previously submitted site plan just to kind of refresh your memory, and I want to say the feedback that we heard can be summarized into three major points.

There needs to be a more prominent buffer to the northern property line, more open green space with vertical north to south breaks between homes to provide visual connectivity between the neighborhood, and um members and commissioners dislike that the homes along the southern boundary were more or less facing a fence line, which kind of all leads us now to our updated site plan.

The developers really took all of your previous feedback to heart, um and the site plan has changed significantly.

Um there still remains these are still 54 single family lots.

The lots along the southern border, those have more traditional driveways, the 20-foot driveways, they have more traditional uh backyards where these homes to the north are, while they are not cottage homes in terms of size, they're normal sized homes, they are oriented in a cottage style layout to produce a unique kind of community aspect.

And what I really like about this site plan is that it takes two different housing needs and housing types and then blends them into one neighborhood, and they kind of each they fit different needs.

You might have a more lock and leave who doesn't want a backyard or a yard to take care of.

That's all managed by the HOA, but then you might have a larger family whatnot that wants that driveway, they want that backyard to have a little play area for their kids.

So I think it really kind of helps meet the housing need that we have here in Arlington.

In order to accommodate that 30-foot buffer or more, we have wrapped around private alleys around those cottage-style homes, as you can see here in these three locations.

Um, we've also programmed, so those are all rear entry garage homes.

They have five-foot driveways to actually uh deter people from parking in their driveways, but we've also provided additional parking and 27 spaces, whether there's some head end and then sort of parallel spaces right here to accommodate any guests that they may have.

Also, remember this is a public roadway right through here as well, and so that is a 50-foot right-of-way, and people are allowed to park on the street should you have be hosting a baby shower or anything of that nature as well.

Um, this did have a video playing through it.

This is the part that is uh not quite working because I wanted to actually show you.

So, this is actually um the same product that we will be programming along the southern border.

And um, it just wanted to show you the streetscapes.

This is actually built here in Arlington.

This is called Hogan's Cottages, and they'll be utilizing the same housing product over there.

But it really just shows you the variety of roof pitches, uh, the different colors, the use of materials to provide uh a very diverse neighborhood that doesn't have a lot of monotony.

And so um that's what I was gonna try to do is show you the whole entire streetscape, but you can drive through this as well on your own time should you need to do that.

Kind of going back to the site plan here as well.

Um, we have in these common areas programmed some pergolas for some covered open space, places to gather, places for people to pull out their grills and be able to kind of grill and whatnot.

Um, also in the Mews, there are sidewalks, sidewalks programmed through there to provide connectivity.

What I really like about this small neighborhood is that we do have a lot of sidewalk connectivity.

You can go all the way up and through here to walk your dog.

There'll be benches, pet stations, and other kind of neighborhood amenities for the residents to use.

Um of the questions that came up in the work session was would the developer be more amenable to extending that sidewalk all the way to Bell Street, and the answer is yes.

Um we'll be kind of putting in that road right through there anyways.

So we will of course be planning in those sidewalks as well.

So overall, um, I think it kind of brings us to the last few points of kind of addressing some of staff's considerations.

So, yes, we are with the site plan changes.

We were we dropped from the required 35% tree preservation to 29% because where the roadway needed to shift to give that buffer to the north where the industrial was.

So now that roadway um has to cut through that grove of trees, and that was really the determining factor.

Um, but the um the developer is willing to kind of play back pay back into that tree mitigation and tree preservation fund in order to kind of offset those costs.

Um we have uh proposed some language to staff for some anti-monotony standards in the PD language.

Uh, specifically that the cluster of homes will not be the elevation will not be repeated directly across or directly adjacent to that you're not getting you're gonna get a variety of different elevations in that cluster.

Um, and then as well as on the southern side, we would like to kind of program those homes to be similar to Hogan's cottages.

So they do have a variety of um more like flat roofs, pitched roofs, and different varieties of front elevations that we could provide in addition to their normal garage style has more decorative features on that as well.

So I think we kind of covered a lot of those.

Um along the northern border, we are still programming a uh six-foot board-on-board traditional um fence, as you would see in the neighborhood, um, but going through there and planting all of those trees and whatnot as that barrier.

The use to the north, after doing a little bit more research, is more or less um kind of a storage area for tractor trailers.

There's not um an excessive amount of movement of those coming in and out on a daily basis.

It's more or less they're they're static.

And so uh we feel like having more of an aesthetic wood fence with an additional landscaping would be more complementary to those open spaces in that neighborhood type of feel.

So I think that kind of covers just about everything that um I needed to cover.

I'm open to hearing your feedback and any questions, but I feel like we went and accomplished a lot of what was asked.

I think the only thing we were not able to accomplish was there was one comment made that the detention pond, they wanted it to be uh retention and have a fountain.

Um there's actually not enough flow of water to create that into a pond that would be sustainable with a fountain.

Um, and so it will be a detention bond pond, but for the most part, dry and very usable open space for the neighborhood to use in a variety of different ways.

Any questions?

Commissioner Commissioner Ware.

Yes.

Um the fence on the north.

Um you mentioned that, but uh you didn't say whether it would go to eight feet uh to uh be against that industrial area, or do you want it to be six feet like the other?

I think I think we're I think six or eight feet is is like eight feet.

You would like to see it eight if see less of a back of a truck, maybe you know.

Okay, let's do eight feet, and I think that's that's worth it.

I think uh that's a good compromise and not you know providing the true to true masonry.

Otherwise, I like it.

Thank you, sir.

Couple qu minor questions.

Yes.

How is mail going to be handled here?

Yeah, so USPS actually dictates mail now.

Um they're not individual mailboxes anymore, even for other style neighborhoods.

There will be mailbox clusters, and they actually tell you how many you need and where to put them.

So they will most likely utilize those common areas like where the tree preservation um is going to be.

There could be one at the very entrance, um, but they look at your site plan and then they they tell you where they want those.

Okay.

And that's what we do.

And let's see.

How many different elevations will be used?

Oh my goodness.

Along the south.

Along the south.

Gosh, I would think if I'm remembering back from Hogan's cottages, I think they have at least five or six.

So you can reassure us, or it will be somewhere between five and six, and there will not be two side by side that are right.

Yes, there will not be directly adjacent to from this aspect, yes, sir.

Okay.

Oh, and I would want to mention one thing along those lines.

So what you see here and these uh white blocks, so that is the pad size with the required minimum setbacks.

And so while it looks like a plain rectangle, um, it is not accommodating the exact building, right?

So there will be different articulations, there will be uh a porch of a front stoop, if you will.

Um that is just showing the dimensions of the building pad area, not necessarily a square rectangular plain home.

I'm gonna read through some of these other staff considerations.

And like to hear your comments.

So the alley loaded homes on the north shall front a common open space or Muse that shall be it should be at least 10 feet wide, maintained by an HOA, and this 10 foot X lot shall include a six foot wide sidewalk and landscaping on both sides of the sidewalk.

How are you with that?

So, in between the pads with the setbacks, we have 20 feet.

There is a sidewalk.

20 feet or 24 feet?

There's 20 feet.

The alleys are 24 feet.

Okay.

Okay.

Um, so right now there's 20 feet right to the edge of where the pad could be with a sidewalk to accommodate another 10.

Um, it would definitely change the site plan.

And I mean, as you can kind of see, we're trying to keep them in packs of six so that they have something to look across.

So I don't know if we'd be able to fit, you know, 10, 20, 40, 60, 80 more feet into the width of this development.

And I'm not asking for that.

So tell me, what are you going to put on the north side?

When they open up their front door, is there gonna be a six-foot sidewalk down the middle?

There is going to be, I think it's a five foot sidewalk, is what it's programmed.

Okay.

And there's going to be front yard grass, there will be landscaping in each of those front yards.

Um there will be trees planted in there, probably smaller, more ornamental dwarf magnolias, those type of so you will be planting.

Because there are no trees shown on on your on this particular rendering, but you you're saying you're gonna put trees on the north side homes.

But because the front doors are all uh facing the uh the green area.

Yes.

And that will be landscaped.

Okay.

Yes.

But how is it going to be landscaped?

Up against the houses or yes, so there's 10 foot setback.

So we'll utilize that 10 foot setback for all of the required single family home landscaping, which is usually includes uh uh at least one tree and then X amount of certs of shrubs and and whatnot.

And all of those homes too will be maintained by the HOA.

And so all the grass up there is gonna be mowed by the HOA?

Yes, sir.

Okay, and down south the backyards are the responsibility of the individual homeowner?

Yes, sir.

But the front yards will be mowed by the HOA?

Um the side yard?

I mean, it'll be kind of fenced, right?

Okay.

So what's inside your private fence will be yours to maintain.

We're offering two different housing products here.

So if you choose and you feel like you would like to purchase a home that has a backyard that has more maintenance, then you would probably want to build a home on the southern property line.

If you're looking for more of a zero lot line, lock and leave type of home, then you would probably choose to build a home or to purchase a home on the northern side.

Okay.

Let's see.

These alley loaded homes shall then have a 10-foot front setback, which you have, right?

Yes, sir.

And there will be porches here.

Yes, we have not.

This is a very unique lot size.

Yes, it is.

And so um, Graham Hart was waiting to see what exactly was approved by this commission before they started designing the footprint.

Um we have the building plaid for them to work with.

Um, but yes, the idea is that there will be a couple of elevations here that do have a variety of front porches because we want to promote that Muse style cottage living.

Okay, yes.

Very good.

And let me see, we're talking about that monotony.

Uh talked about the common open.

How are you with the common open space lot at the terminus of the entry drive shall include an art feature or sculpture to create create a visual terminus?

Or do you have some other idea?

Yes.

So I wanted to pull up.

So as y'all are really familiar with um Double Eagle Real Estate, these are a lot of the different types of developments that they have already done here in Arlington.

And with each development, they love to go in and do something really unique.

Um, here at the preserve, you kind of see the um the kind of more animal preserve type theme and whatnot, um, have these little like art statues here within the night's landing.

And so they, of course, with all their developments love to have something special.

So while it has not been determined exactly what it would be, um it will be something nice like this to kind of uh create a sense of arrival into the community.

Another one of the staff considerations was uh street frontage landscape setback on South Cooper shall include the the perimeter masonry wall with a subdivision signage and enhanced landscape outside of it.

So I I can tell this commission's going back and forth between uh eight-foot uh board on board and masonry, but what are you other than what are you gonna do at the front scape uh the frontage along Cooper?

So at our frontage right here, um so all of that frontage is pretty much in your visibility triangle.

Um and so what we are able to do within that is very limited uh per text dot.

And so um one of the ideas we have is just to have two very kind of strong uh types of like columns here for signage right there that were just gonna be outside the visibility triangle.

We can't put a masonry wall curve or anything like that because we need to provide that visibility to get on to Cooper.

Um so we're gonna probably do some kind of type of just column or stone monument sign to designate your arrival into the community.

That's a good answer.

Uh let's see, and I hire you with doing the enhanced pavers at at at least two spots on the road.

When you say can we do like so pavers are a little bit problematic for um long-term maintenance?

Would you be ameniable to some like stained stamped concrete, just a change in variety?

That'd be great.

Okay, then yes.

Yes, better.

Actually, thank you.

You're welcome.

Any other questions?

Commissioner Finley.

Thank you.

Nikki, can you go back to the elevations?

Yes, ma'am.

And I want to say it it really is a much better product that you brought this time, and I appreciate that.

Um what I am concerned about though are the materials that are gonna be you're talking about using these kind of elevations.

Yes, well, there's more of them because this was a whole video.

Yeah.

There was like 10 houses to be shown, so I'm a little bit of a disadvantage right now.

Um, but so all of these homes though have a minimum of two different materials on them.

It's just a little bit more difficult to see um from this particular where this video is starting.

Um but all the homes will utilize at least two different building materials on each home, and that allows us to provide a variety of different kinds of brick, um, different colors of brick, and then also different types of like cementitious fiber board of incorporating colors and stuff like that.

So this is the same product that they built here at Hogan's Cottage, as well as wand away.

Yeah, because it's difficult for me to see.

It looks mostly like cementitious fiber board on these.

So this one right here is actually a painted white brick.

Um, this one right here is brick.

Uh this one.

So a percentage, what kind of a percentage are we looking at on the front sides of these?

I don't know what specific percentage that is for each of these that we're looking at right here.

We are going to commit to using two different types of building materials to provide variety.

And that's what's shown here.

Because when we start getting into the nitty-gritty of percentages, that is that is far more calculations than I'm able to have up here at this podium.

So you're asking us to make a decision based on two building materials, and we have no idea what it's gonna look like.

It's gonna look like the homes that are already placed on the ground here in Arlington.

Uh unfortunately, and and definitely we appreciate and we know that Gary does some fantastic work.

Uh but what we've had in the past, unfortunately, is uh we've looked at some pictures and the commission has liked it, and they've said, hey, we need to need y'all to make it happen, and we'll get it on the council, and then unfortunately, then council goes where are the pictures, what exactly got approved, and so then there's disagreements.

So I I just want to caution the commission.

Very important that what you all bless tonight is fully baked so that when it gets to council, council's not asking for continuances while they and then we have disagreements over what you all approved or what you did.

I totally respect the idea that the commission doesn't want to slow down the process, but we definitely need to have some time there in between if you all give direction on exactly what you want this to look like that uh you know Miss Hunter can get that where it is.

Or Miss Moore, sorry, wrong Nikki.

That's okay.

That's fair.

I'll just kind of there's one there's one way, there's two ways to look at this.

One way to look at this is you know uh you're either gonna get delayed here because we want to know exactly what the construction materials are gonna be on the front and what it's gonna look like, or you're gonna get delayed at council because you've got some architectural minds on council that are gonna say uh you know what why are we not showing what you're actually gonna put?

This is a great project.

I want to vote yes.

If and I wouldn't mind voting yes tonight if you're forewarned and you come forearm to council with exactly what I just asked for.

You have to and you're right.

I'm sorry your slide that video is not working because if it were, then you could show that same video to council, say these are the materials.

See here's the flyby, and this is what we're gonna put.

But we don't we're not seeing it.

All of these elevations with the building materials have been provided to planning staff and are in the system of the city of Arlington.

Yeah, but I don't have them.

I I think to be fair, I think they're in our package.

Yeah, they're in your packet.

Well, and okay, if they are, do they shut do they tell us what the materials are?

Yes, they do.

Then shut my mouth.

So Commissioner Black, you go ahead.

So I I'm also in favor of this.

I I think that uh y'all have done all the changes that we've asked, and I'd really like to see it go to council.

So back to your video that's not a video right now.

Yes.

How many different um frontscapes do you have in that?

Is it two?

Is it ten?

Oh, there's like five or six.

Okay, so yeah.

So at minimum we could certainly commit that you have five or six different spaceships.

With different roof pitches, um, they have different elevations, they have different style windows.

There's a lot of different variety that goes into creating an elevation that is not just building materials.

Um if we look at what the UDC guidelines tell us for single family homes, you are allowed to use a single material on building single family homes.

The main facade has to wrap around 50 percent of the side of the building, and that meets all of these standards.

In fact, because we're offering two different building materials, it exceeds their UDC standards.

Yeah, okay.

I hope that we can make a motion to encompass that.

I'm I'm okay.

I just saw what I missed.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm okay with it.

I'm I'm I right now I feel like I'm in full support of this thing right now.

And I'm sorry, my video, we were we were trying to.

Sure, Commissioner Greer.

Um I just had a couple notes on the uh on the units or the houses on the north side.

I think you said you were looking for some direction on the porches.

Uh I think we were presented some of the uh what staff's recommendations were for SB 15.

I think they had a number of 60 square feet for a porch.

Would that so a six by 10?

Yeah, would that I'm gonna pull up my lot dimensions real quick.

So, yes, we have 35 foot pad.

So, yes, we should be able to accommodate that.

So we could make that in our recommendation, I guess, or or provide that direction to you guys, and you'd be okay with that minimum.

Or they want to be like a certain depth or you know, I think it's just just square footage.

Just square footage, minimum 60 square feet, yeah, five by twelve or six by ten or something.

And then uh my comment on the on the uh fence along the north edge.

Um I think I'd prefer what you guys are showing with the wood fence, but all those trees.

I'm worried if we did a masonry wall there, you wouldn't have room for all the trees.

So I'd if I had to pick, I would rather have all the all the green tree line that's gonna grow higher than then eight feet anyways, and and block those the view there.

So um and I I think that's it.

A little disappointed in the in the losing the pond, but uh you should know that how that works.

Let that go.

But uh I mean you could put an irrigation meter over there and fill it up with uh city water, but I I get it if it doesn't work, so um, but those are my comments.

Thank you.

Additional comments, questions, Commissioner Maddox.

So tell me what kind of price point are we looking for on these homes?

Oh my goodness.

Um so honestly, like they'll probably start in the mid-450s.

I mean, so you're talking about after another um because these are also for sale, they'll probably do some spec, but then Graham Hart is also kind of more on the customs side.

So a buyer will be able to come in and pick out their finishes, which could also increase the price as well.

So you're talking about half million dollar homes.

Half a million dollars.

So I I'm kind of taking the uh different approach to Commissioner Greer, uh, in that uh at that price point.

I think I would like to see masonry wall.

Uh I just have a big problem with the wooden fence and the maintenance thereof.

I'm living in a half million dollar house, I don't want it surrounded by rigged y old wool fits.

That fence would be part of the HOA, um, and so it would not be part of directly of a personal homeowner's lot.

I'm saying so we can put in some standards with that as well.

Um we are kind of as Mr.

Greer pointed out, um, along that northern side, we're trying to accomplish several things that the commissioners told us at that last meeting, which was we want a larger buffer, so we were able to set those homes 53 feet away from that property line.

We want guest parking, and we want more landscaping.

And so this was taking three very competing uh type of development interest and trying to blend them all seamlessly into one strip.

And so, as Mr.

Greer started stated, like a masonry wall creates a lot of bulk, a lot of girth, and so we would you know prefer to do the more traditional wood fence, um, have the additional landscaping and keep the parallel and head in parking for those guests in those homes that do not have driveways.

So we're just trying to accomplish as many of the goals and tasks as possible, and I do think that it's appropriate to kind of you know you're going to have some um maintenance standards in your plan development um for that HOA to accomplish Commissioner Carter.

I think it's a great product, it's a needed product to keep our downsizers here and to keep uh our uh young uh professionals hopefully moving here for a new job.

Uh it will be in their price range.

I've driven through Hogan's cottages a few times lately, and it if this is the same product, it it's a really good looking street.

So I know that I know the the the north the northern part of this, the house is facing each other will be uh a little bit of a different uh fill, but I think that caught the courtyard, the yard, the sidewalk in between them will kind of create a nice courtyard fill, uh very home-y feel.

So I think it'll be very much appreciated by the neighbors.

Um the other thing is I'm I'm okay with the fence being uh wood.

Um a board-on board fence is way easier maintenance than uh than brick uh 20 years down the line uh with the brick starts leaning, it can be more than 100,000 to repair it or replace it.

Uh we're and we're already plagued with a lot of that in Southeast Arlington on those leaning brick fences, and they look terrible.

So I think the wood, the the high grade wood fence is a much better choice.

I agree with you.

Commissioner Finlay.

Okay, I did go back and look, and yes, you did have that, you did have the percentages.

So thank you.

That's that's on me.

Um of the things that I think we talked about in the August 6th meeting is capping that fence.

Yes.

Uh cedar, yes.

Um, and possibly putting in some stone columns.

May I interject?

Yes.

This is black gumbo.

And Commissioner Carter's observation is correct.

You try and put any kind of uh uh a brick column and as a summer and the winter come along, and I've seen four-inch cracks in that black clay.

That was they're gonna fall down.

Okay, it's so much easier to take care of a wood of a wooden fence.

And and and uh it's just not a good idea to put put to put that up there.

I mean, you could put it, but you'd have to really dig down deep and put piers and all kinds of support to make it not move.

And that it's real difficult to do.

Yeah, that's not my problem.

But that's the that's their problem.

But um, anyway, okay.

So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna die on that hill.

So if you did the eight foot, you would cap it, and it would be cedar.

Yes, ma'am.

Also, all of the uh the cemetitious fiber board is gonna be painted every 10 years.

How are you gonna how is the HOA going to enforce that?

Yeah, so the way it's written in a couple of our other neighborhoods, because these are single family homes, and so they're you know, their home is under their responsibility, is the HOA has permission to kind of basically site and say kind of go around the neighborhood and do a spot check and say, oh, okay, well, yours is looking a little faded, um, so you need to to have that repainted, restained or whatnot.

So you giving that authority through the plan development to the HOA.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

Mr.

Chair, I'm sorry, I think I think I've found out what the confusion is.

So on the the actual the actual lots themselves, the actual homes.

I think you testified earlier, Nikki, that your built your builders have not submitted actual floor plans at this time.

The homes to the north?

That the actual plans.

No, we have some samples that we used of the last time, but we need to alter those um for this new lot size, should this lot size be approved.

And so basically what you're asking is that once once you have direction from this commission, yes, you will then uh be able to get get that information to council.

Yes.

We need to design floor plans, which floor plans determine where the windows are, which determine what the elevations, but we can do certain things.

So, like a lot of times when you I'm gonna use this as an example here in Viridian, right?

It's a master plan community.

So you don't when you first start that conception, right?

You don't know exactly who all your builders are and what their product's gonna look like.

So you create development standards in order to create anti-monotony.

You have certain things like using two different building materials, we require a 60 square foot um type porch.

So those are the type of things that when a builder is going to look to design their home to fit in this neighborhood, they're going through saying, okay, we gotta do this, we gotta do this, and that's what creates what the outside of that home is while still maintaining, okay.

We're gonna do um it's rear entry, right?

That's where your garage has to be.

Okay.

Just real quick.

I'm sorry.

Yes, I just can't handle it.

Sorry.

I just uh really just want to know can your client, can you and your client have some final drawings on not the actual like how to build the house, but just like you know, which you want some rough sketches, not just that, but also so that so that the council when they see the plans when they're approving like the rear entry garages and stuff that they know you know which houses, and I know you're not committing to each individual house because you're just Manani, but just that they have that in the packet so that everybody knows exactly what this group last year is.

So yes, sir.

Yeah.

So you will.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

Comments.

And just to be clear, probably need a little more time in between.

This and it's council to get that.

If you think you need the time, just take that into consideration.

We're giving you a heads up.

Okay, thank you.

Council expects certain things.

Sure.

Okay.

So that's so you can take that in consideration on when you're gonna go to council.

With that, any other questions?

Yeah, Nikki, great job.

I want to uh I have down here Dean Tetterick, uh marked as a speaker.

Uh J B T L L C and you are in support.

Sure, I believe that yeah.

I'm not in control of that.

So, let me use the T.

Good evening, Commissioners.

I'm Dean Tetrick, uh resident of Fort Worth.

Uh, but members of my family have lived in Arlington since 1972.

Sister and her family still live here.

My family owns the property through the entity JGBT.

Um the T comes from I'm sorry, are you the T no that stones for uh James Guy and Billy Tetrick, my mom and dad.

Uh they're they've passed away.

Um dad bought 2.73 acres of this in 1984, and we acquired the other seven acres um in 2017 or 18 just to try to make it developable and saleable.

Uh that's why we did that.

Um development of this property is badly needed.

Um it'll benefit the city, help eliminate any day uh housing uh deficiency.

Um it'll benefit the citizens, young people looking for houses, but um also in particular the residents on Bell Street.

Um they're going to be shielded from that industrial use property on the north significantly.

Um and they're gonna be protected from unwanted visitors behind them.

Um it in the its present state, it's not possible at all to keep this um property secure absolutely from trespassers.

Um strangers who care nothing about the city, nothing about the neighborhood, dump trash on that property frequently, and then we've got to go clean it up.

Um there may be some strangers on there that have more serious criminal intent, and it's just open, and um I can't secure it absolutely.

Um I found this afternoon Googling that uh there's a recent housing needs assessment by the city that suggests that there's a deficit of 1,329 units, housing units uh needed in the next three to five years in the city.

Um this is gonna help the city address some of that deficit, and I think this developer has done a tremendous job of uh creating a smart innovative plan to develop this property that's been just a monster to try and find something that will will work on it.

So um I sure ask for your vote in favor.

Thank you, Mr.

Tetrick.

I have also uh as non-speakers in support, Rick Swagger.

Are you here?

Thank you, sir.

Brandon Knott, Brandon, sir, Brad Asgari, sir, and Gary Knott, of course.

Thank you.

With that, I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Blake, and a second by Commissioner Winkles.

Commissioner Blake.

Are we needing to well now we get to discuss?

So are you uh any other discussion?

Opinions or have we got them all out?

I think we got them out, Commissioner Blake.

I will ask that before I make this mission um motion.

Somebody might need to double check the little things that we got to put in it.

I'll help you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Yeah, thank you.

Is there anyone in opposition to this project that would like to speak?

Hearing none, the public session is now closed, and we do have a motion to approve.

Commissioner Blake, uh, we will help you to state your motion.

All right, I'd like to make a motion to approve PD 25-10, 7827, and 7827 South Cooper.

Um as the applicant has proposed it with the following additions.

Um the anti-monotony of the variations of the elevations, adding in the art feature, um, making sure that we have garage door decorative features so that we all look pretty.

Like to have a cedar cap on an eight-foot uh cedar fence.

Uh like to have make sure that we have porch sizes of approximately 60 feet and the final elevations ready before you go to city council so they can see four to five different elevations so that we know what we're getting, and you're gonna do stamped concrete in at least two spots, and uh the summer testifies fiber ward will be painted every uh at least every 10 years.

Uh the sidewalk is going to extend to uh Bell Street and let's see individually owned homes.

So the the paint the painting is the the forcing of someone to paint their house.

I think it'll be the HOA's responsibility to uh to enforce that.

That's a good nominee.

So we can we can leave it or uh yeah, I believe Ms.

Moore indicated that in their other projects that they put some language in there requiring that the authorizing the HOA to go on the property and I mean keep that maintenance level up.

So would it still be part of our uh PD?

Uh yes, sir, because if it's not in the PD, it's not gonna, it's not gonna be a requirement.

It's not a requirement, HOA is not gonna require it.

Okay.

Uh let me see, make sure we got it all in here and open space sculpture, the artwork, and I think that's it.

And Commissioner Winkles, is that your second?

Yes, it is.

Very good.

Cast your vote, please.

Motion passes eight to nothing.

We do have one abstention.

Uh let the record show the abstention.

Congratulations.

I know this is a great project.

We're I'm excited that you're bringing it to Arlington because it's gonna, with the other project that's going on down there, it's gonna transform that entire area.

So thank you very much.

Next, let's move on to our next item on the agenda.

1119 Dan Gould Drive.

This is PD 25-15.

This is application for approval of a change in zoning from residential state to planned development for residential medium density RM12 with a development plan on approximately 0.654 acres.

At this time, I'll call on staff to present its report on PD 2515.

Good evening, Commissioners.

For the record, Kevin Charles, Principal Planner Planning and Development Services.

This evening we'll be looking at PD 25-15, also known as 1119 Dan Gould Drive.

So this particular site is approximately six uh half an acre in size.

Again, addressed at the 1119 Dan Gould Drive, which is east of South Cooper Street and north of West Turner Warnell Road.

The current zoning is residential estate, and the request is a PD for medium density RM12 for town homes, townhomes uses.

In other words, each individual unit will be on its own separate lot.

They are single family attached residential homes.

Here you see the subject site highlighted in yellow.

As you can see, it is shares the same zoning with all of the adjacent properties to the north, south, east, and west, as well as across Dan Good and the future uh street that will be Grimes Street to the east.

Uh excuse me, to the west.

As you can see over time, uh this site was originally annexed into the city uh back in the 1980s.

Um the site has uh was was developed with a rural type of situation, uh rural and nature, agricultural and use, and commercial developments were constructed in the 1950s.

This trend of development pattern continues to this day, uh, but there are more new residential homes uh being developed in the area uh with some commercial uses uh sprinkled in.

This is a view of the subject site prior to the demolition of the home that was on the site.

Uh view looking south across uh Dan Gould Drive to the current yard that is across the way.

Uh just off of the screen is the newly uh constructed Grimes Street that comes in from Turner Warnell.

This is looking west along Dan Gould Drive towards uh South uh Cooper.

And this is looking east along Dan Gould Drive, looking towards uh Summit uh High School.

This is uh the development plan.

As you can see, the development proposes eight three-bedroom townhomes.

All of the proposed units will be street facing along the future Grimes Street extension.

Uh this layout allows each unit to provide a fenced backyard uh for personal use as well as provide a true front and side yard for each unit.

All units shall provide the required 20-foot deep driveway, uh, which meets the minimum requirements of the UDC.

Uh, and all of the uh side, rear and front setbacks are have been met by the site.

Uh all of the units shall provide a combination of brick and seat brick brick veneer and cementitious siding on all elevations in order to meet in order to meet the anti-monotony standards for town homes of the UDC.

The percentage of brick veneer and siding varies for each unit.

Overall, uh the the development is providing a range of brick veneer for the front elevations between 44 and 73 percent, uh depending on the unit style that is being proposed.

All units are proposing 100% masonry as the siding is cementitious in nature, and the roofs are are providing for a 612 roof pitch as required by the unified development code.

The floor plan is uniform throughout.

Uh the proposed units uh are approximately 1,600 square feet in floor area.

Each unit includes a 52 square foot cover patio, a 72, excuse me, 78 square foot porch, and a approximately 416 square foot garage.

The landscape design.

So they are going beyond what is required of them in reference to preservation for this particular project.

Drainage and transportation.

The additional trips will not significantly impact the adjacent roadway systems.

There is one deviation that is being noted and requested by the applicant.

Front loading, front facing garages shall not constitute more than 60% of the total width of the dwelling for a single family attached units.

However, the the uh the garage doors and will take up approximately 70%.

Uh that is the average of the front elevations.

City plan analysis.

What is most important about this is that uh for this particular area, it is established residential.

Uh the main thing is to encourage the development of housing choices that meet the needs of current and emerging populations, uh, including singles, couples, small and large families, empty nesters, uh, and again seniors.

Um with that in in mind, the proposed development complies with the strategy to promote development of diverse housing products within uh the economic development strategic plan.

There are no existing hike or bike trails near the subject site uh at this particular time.

The closest bike lane is on Beard Farm Road to the West.

Staff consideration should you choose to recommend approval of this request.

Uh as you saw on the elevations, they have already uh basically agreed to use coach lights as accent material uh or accent feature uh along the front elevations of the homes.

However, we did discuss the probability of uh upgraded garage doors during the work session.

I think that would be appropriate.

Uh the street side elevation of unit one, which we also brought up along Dan Gul Drive.

Uh we think that it should be further architecturally enhanced.

By that we mean the second story may need to be all brick uh finished with a large window uh and an enlarged porch which would wrap around the southern side of the of the structure uh to enhance the southwest corner of the uh proposed structure, and they already have coach lights shown on all of the units.

Additionally, for the entire development, uh staff feels that it would be appropriate to have an ornamental iron fence with basement collars along the the uh Dan Gould public right-of-way area to create a sense of arrival, uh that you've reached a particular destination, etc.

Uh, the other units are already proposing to have a six-foot stockade wood fence for all of the other units, as everyone will have their own private yards.

The applicant is the shullo, Terry Stanton and Associates, represented by Miss Joy Stanton, the owner Stanton, the owner is development corporation of Terran County.

Uh since the posting of the agenda, staff did receive one letter of opposition uh citing neighborhood compatibility.

Excuse me, you were provided a printout of this opposition prior to the work session.

Additionally, staff did receive calls, two calls in reference to uh opposition to the site and and even potentially the noticing of the site.

I would like to state that uh today we had someone to go out to verify that the that the required zoning signage was there, it was still there, still uh attached to the fencing.

Currently, the site only has one street frontage on Dan Good Drive, as the uh the other street has not been developed as of yet, and the site is less than one acre in size, they're only required to have one zoning notification assigned.

Staff notices everyone within 200 feet of the property line as required by the Texas local government code.

This was done.

And if uh individual chooses to have uh next door app that we also uh as a courteous notice out to one mile from around the proposed site.

Beyond that, uh staff did not receive any other letters of support or opposition.

Uh and staff is available for any questions or comments that you may have in reference to this project.

Yes, sir.

My microphone.

Thank you very much.

Do we have any uh questions for staff at this time?

Commissioner uh uh Sumter.

So the only deviation is the garage uh I guess the garage widths and that's measured from what you see from the street, not internal of what the garage is, right?

We change that.

Yes, sir, that is.

And all the floor plans are the same.

The garages aren't bigger.

Correct.

The garages are not larger at any other unit.

All of the floor plans are are essentially the same living area downstairs, all three bathrooms upstairs.

What is the percentage?

73.

So what is the and what is the code 65?

60.

60.

Okay, thank you.

Which staff also recognizes is a very difficult ask for this type of product.

Commissioner Carter.

I uh I did see the sign today.

I spoke and it is up.

I I spoke to someone though, he actually told me he was a 22-year employee of the city of Arlington retired.

But he said that he said that they, whenever I told him the sign was there, he said, no, that's the old sign, that that zoning is dead.

So they thought the case was dead and not coming back to planning and zoning again.

And he's actually the uh the crime watch uh guy for the neighborhood, and he said they're they all know each other pretty good, and he said they are they uh he hadn't spoken to anyone that knew it.

Now I did speak to someone else, and they said they did know about it, but but this one guy in particular said that uh they if the sign was up, they all thought it was from the previous case.

So I'm not sure if there was a lag time or what no, and and and that's totally understandable as a point of clarification.

There was a previous case for this particular site as well as uh another adjacent property that took place in 2023.

Uh the case number was PD 23-39.

Uh, it was similar in nature, but not the same, uh, because they would not be able to come back within a 12-month period because that case was denied.

Uh so if you look at uh our zoning signs as uh just as a quick educational thing, when you see PD plan development, 25 is going to represent the year dash, whatever the number may be.

That is the second number will be the zoning case that has come in.

That'll be the 15th zoning case that is coming in this year.

So I I can understand the confusion.

And also, Commissioner Carter, you might uh if you if you uh see anybody making those allegations, you might tell them because the state law changed the the new signs are larger than the other.

So if they see a sign that was this the size of our old ones and then they see a new one next to it, they'll know right away that new one is Yeah, it's much bigger.

Yeah, but I hope he wasn't 22 years with planning.

Then we we've got problems.

Commissioner Ware.

Um to comment about the the sign again.

That is a new sign out there because it's the horizontal uh two by three or whatever they are.

It was definitely a new sign out there.

Okay, thank you very much, Commissioner Ware.

Any other questions to staff?

Thank you very much.

Welcome, sir.

Let's move on to uh the uh presentation.

We're gonna open up the public sessions.

Georgie Sang, you're gonna be the main presenter.

I have another speaker, Victor Villa Lobos.

Will you be speaking as well later?

Will he?

He'll pass, okay.

Very good.

Ms.

Zang, the floor is yours.

Thank you, Commissioners, for letting me come up and talk about this project.

We're excited about this project for a number of reasons.

I'm sorry to be a stickler.

Your name and Sir.

George Sang, Arlington, Texas.

Thank you, man.

Sorry.

Um, very excited to talk about the project because it does fit an additional housing need that we need here in Arlington.

Um, and I think you know, in sitting in your work session and hearing the the things that you said, when we look at this project, I want you to think that we're gonna build this project and sell it for 137 dollars a square foot.

That is prices that we offered in 1990.

This gives, we are gonna require that people that purchase these homes go through the Arlington First Time Home Buyer Program, which gives them an additional 25,000 in down payment assistance.

This is a true opportunity to have a home, a 1,600 square foot home, three-bedroom, two-bath, yard with a two-car garage, newly built, um, and be able to afford that to get into it.

The Arlington Home Buyers program does educate these buyers as well, so they understand homeownership and what it's going to be required.

So I'm very excited about this.

There are only eight of these.

Um, we will have demand that will far exceed this, but this truly does give a workforce housing product, a nice product in an area that could use a little bit of of something.

Um where's the clicker?

So these are let's see if I can find my presentation.

Um I'm not seeing it, Kevin.

Just to talk a little bit more about this.

Yes.

Okay.

Well, they loaded the wrong, they loaded the elevations instead of my presentation.

So hopefully you will get to see those, and I'm gonna do my best to speak to what we're doing here with this project.

One of the things that I wanted everyone to also see is we're taking a piece of land.

We're going to put a road that the city has already designated that they want a road.

That expense is going to be incurred by the developer.

Um, we're gonna put that road in the neighborhood to the, I guess it would be to the east from an aerial view.

You'll notice that's a that's a challenging property to put a residential product next to.

So we're taking a unique piece of property, we're creating eight homes with that property.

The neighbor across the street from this property has built a beautiful home as well.

We are gonna complement that area.

Um we're gonna actually put a road in for the neighbor that will be to the west of this development, and that neighbor will be able to walk out and see these beautiful, beautiful homes.

There is not going to be an hoa with this.

Um that is by design.

We want to make these affordable and and built for these owners for them to take care of and manage.

Um it will not be gated, but it will be nice, and that's gonna be an important factor here as well.

Uh, there are different elevations.

Um, the garage doors, we have no problem putting the windows in those garage doors so that it gives it some character.

The um extra items that you're wanting the wraparound porch around down the Dan Gould side to dress up that corner.

We don't see any problem with that as well.

So the things that staff, the staff recommendations that they've made, we're we're very glad to accommodate.

And so with that, um, I'm not sure what else I can provide you without showing you some of the the photographs, but I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

Again, our price point on this is gonna come in.

We are forecasting it 219,000, and then the buyer will get 25,000 in home in first-time home buyer assistance.

There is nothing being built that I think can compare to this, and this is a perfect product for workforce housing.

So we are hopeful that you will approve this project so we can take it to council.

Thank you, Georgie.

Any questions at this time?

Commissioner Blake.

Just want to point out that you know, town homes are something that we don't put a lot of um for many reasons.

And one thing that I really like about these is maybe counterintuitive.

Having the garages in the front like this makes it to where these townhomes are gonna be taken care of much more than when you have a storage room in the back and you park in the back under an awning and all that fun stuff.

So I'm actually excited to see these, and I think it's really good uh use of this property.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

If I if I can make one more comment, Joyce, um, we were talking and she was pointing out some of the design, and one of the things, and it came up in work session, the tree preservation requirement.

We did not have to meet that, but they did, and one of the things that Joyce put out uh pointed out to me as we were sitting there, she goes, I wanted those kids to have a backyard.

And so these are designed not just to slap something down, but to truly give families an opportunity, kids a backyard to play in.

Um, and families who might not ever be able to purchase their rent, their their house payment in this is gonna be less than a monthly rent in an apartment.

So it's truly the first place these families may have to build wealth for their family.

So thank you very much.

And if there's any other questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Commissioner Carter.

I I really just uh don't like the project because it's giving up a really coveted zoning classification of RE.

And the neighbors that I spoke to today, none of them uh all of them were saying absolutely not.

And I said earlier one of them really thought they were the case was dead, and I said no, it's revitalized, it's coming back to us tonight.

And so they none of them were really aware of it.

There's a lot of people out there that have really valued their little ranchette out there, and now they're gonna have all this density next to them or surrounding them.

So I really think it's not a an appropriate use of the land.

I think we should protect people's zoning classification and let let it let the piece remain out there.

This will add a lot of cars coming up and down the street, and it will be uh, you know, Cooper is very dangerous right there.

One of the uh people that owns properties in the neighborhood today said that they hear that daily the the the crashes out on Cooper Street and they cringe.

They can they recognize the car crashes out there, this the sound of it.

So I just don't think it's an appropriate spot for it.

Commissioner Carter, I will tell you that this is a piece further from Cooper Street, it's on the far east side of Dan Gould, not closer to the to the Cooper Street side.

And I I'm gonna I'm gonna come back and say if you see the property, this this piece of land, we're gonna put close to two million dollars worth of assets on this land that will remain this land if it will never be anything more than this land.

Okay.

Still taking away someone's zoning that's that the neighbors that have enjoyed that since uh 1960 or 1950, whenever it was developed.

One guy said he had lived there since 60, and this is so basically they can have goats out there.

So if you don't have an HOA, I know it changes the zoning on this on this plot here, but are your are your people gonna be able to have goats there?

I think I think that that would be dictated by the regulations of the city.

I mean, people can't just go put farm animals anywhere.

They can down there.

They can have them down there.

I I I can't really speak to that.

I I think that when the city annexed this property, the intent for that was to develop these properties.

I know that's it.

It's a unique property that was zoned that way for a reason.

Well, let's let's I'm gonna interject here.

Um we could go on and on and back and forth about opinions, but uh uh they've been expressed.

Did we have any other uh concerns or questions?

Oh okay, with that, Ms.

Zhang.

Um, I'm sorry.

Uh there was a comment made regarding notice.

I just want for the record to be clear that uh the staff has informed me that the notices were sent to everyone within 200 feet by mail, and that the sign was posted, I believe one of the one of the commissioners referenced that he did see the sign out there.

So notice was appropriate and the commission can't take action.

Thank you.

Very good.

Well, I'm sorry, your slides aren't here.

I have also a support non-speaker Joyce Staten Kelly Pollard, Radasgari.

Very good, thank you.

Is there anyone in opposition here tonight?

And you submitted a card, all right.

Georgie, the floor is his, sir.

If you want to come up to the front and speak or not speak.

Your name and your city of residence, sir.

Victor Villovos, Fort North.

I guess my concern is like Mr.

Carter's here as far as the zoning.

Um I'm kind of worried that people are gonna get displaced.

And I'm worried that people will lose their zoning.

I may be a little uneducated on this.

Perhaps it's a misconception on my part.

But that's just that's that's my main concern.

It's an empty piece of land.

There's nothing on it.

So I don't know.

There's uh there's some legacy businesses on there.

There's some uh sure, yeah, see them.

And there's some um older homes.

I don't know how old these people are that live there, but there's definitely uh somebody mentioned there was houses there as of the 1950s and such.

But there's definitely uh somebody mentioned there was houses there as of the 1950s and such.

Okay.

So I'm just making a concern.

Um that's where I'm at right now.

I could be convinced otherwise.

Thank you.

Just just want to make clear you, sir.

You you understand the the only thing that the commission tonight is considering is the zoning on the particular lot that this proposal's on.

So they're not changing, it's not city initiated zoning where they're changing any of the surrounding area, all their zoning will stay the same.

But it will follow on, right?

It could, and and it it it very well could happen in the next few years.

Um but but yeah, it could.

But each person would have to come in and ask for that to happen, the the landowner.

So, like for instance, in the analysis earlier, some of those folks that have goats out there, you know, they might have been annexed into the city, you know, 40, 50 years ago, and as long as they don't want to redevelop and they just want to be left alone, they keep having their goats and just doing their own thing.

But when they want to redevelop, they want to come in and get permits, that's that's when they would they would do that.

Okay.

I mean, because I can say from experience.

Um, as Mr.

Carter said, I had a property there, zoned ag.

It's no longer zoned A.

And and and that's and that's actually that's actually why a lot of that's zoned RE now, because we don't actually have ag in Arlington any anymore.

They it all it all changed to to RE.

Uh but but it's very rare that the city of Arlington would zone property without the the landowner uh being part of the process for sure.

So but I I can't say I can't say that gentrification can happen and redevelopment can't happen.

I I just want to make it clear for you so you knew this this commission's not changing anybody's zoning who's not here asking for it tonight.

Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you for your time.

Uh Commissioner Sumter.

Oh, I'm sorry, Commissioner Carter.

Go ahead.

Uh I I do agree that it would uh if uh if other developers see a trend of this, they will take advantage of the lots out there and the lot size.

And this is an affordable housing area.

These people that have been there uh have lived in their manufactured homes for a very long time.

Some of them have turned it into a little site-built house, and some of them have built some really nice big uh luxury homes.

And that should be the trend we're going for going for is the luxury home trend that puts that that that creates a a real uh fosters a much better environment than breaking up into this little high density spot.

So it it just it's just out of character and it changes everything for the for the neighborhood to allow this to happen.

Those people love their little homesteads out there and they don't want to see this change.

There was no that they might have received the notices.

I one person did tell me they did receive the notice, and they actually own six properties out there, but the others said they did not see the notices.

Now that's normal.

I know that people you know disregard that kind of stuff.

Sometimes people need an extra uh help and you know uh discovering what's going on around them.

But it's it's an invasive zoning change.

Ms.

Zhang, you have an opportunity to rebut the opposition.

Thank you very much.

Um the current zoning is uh in order to build on this lot, whatever you build on this lot, you it doesn't even meet the current zoning.

It's less than an acre.

So this lot outside of doing something unique with it, will remain dormant.

And that is I don't think that's right either.

Um it butts up against a business.

So we're gonna take some homes and we're not putting them in the middle of the street.

We're putting them at the end on a a piece of land that really is not usable.

It's less than an acre, and according to your zoning rules, I can't build on it anyway.

So I can't make it an estate property.

This lot as it sits, I cannot make it an estate home.

So I believe, and I hope that you will see that this is one of the best uses you could have for that size lot at the location of where it is, the shape of it, and also providing a street.

I would hope that that could spark additional you know growth and development.

If people choose not to change what they have today, that's uh that's the great thing about where they're at.

They don't have to, they don't have to sell, they don't have to change anything from what it is today.

We are simply providing an elevated product in an area on a piece of land that according to how you've zoned it, I can't do anything with.

So that would be my my rebuttal here.

I promise you, we're gonna do something you're proud of, and we're gonna give eight families a shot at the American dream.

And so I'm hopeful that you will find find us favorable here.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

There being no other speakers, I'm going to close the public session and ask for any comments or or opinions from the commissioners.

If we're Commissioner Blake, just want to point out whenever you look at the aerial of this, you have whole lots that are nothing but cars parked there, just to one side of that.

You have basically a big storage lot and a big kind of semi-commercial area.

You know, we we want these things to become houses, and we want these things to become residential.

And I I live in a nice area in North Arlington, and right around the corner, we built a very similar similar product, maybe a little bit more high end, but I have eight of them right there, and it hadn't affected my property value.

It's made my neighborhood better, and it gave eight more homes that weren't there before.

So I strongly think that we should uh all approve this and let city council do their magic.

Any other comments?

I like the project.

I have a motion to approve uh by from Commissioner Blake.

I have a second by Commissioner Winkles.

Commissioner Blake, please state your motion.

I do.

See, I'd like to make but you but you notice I I'm behaving myself.

Every time he says he closes the public session, I cringe because this is all public session.

We're just closing the public here.

Hearing, hearing, hearing.

Okay, I gotcha.

I hear you.

All right.

I'd like to make a motion approve, PD 25-15 1119, Dan Gould, as presented with the following uh additions.

Uh that they're gonna have windows on the garage, they're going to wrap the front porch on that on the corner.

Uh and they're that they're honoring the staff recommendations.

And the staff recommendations, good.

And Commissioner Winkles, is that your second?

Yes, it is.

Cast your vote.

Congratulations.

Motion passes 8 to 1.

Uh, and I think this is gonna be a great project.

And someone's gonna win the lottery.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Next, we have let's see, zoning case.

SUP 25-6, located at 1917 West of Sanford Lane.

This is an application for a specific use permit for a secondary living unit on a property that is zoned residential single family 7.2.

This time I'll call on staff to present its report on the zoning case SUP 25-6.

Good evening, Commissioners.

Alex Van Amberg, planner and planning and development services.

Presenting case SUP 25-6.

This is a specific use permit request for a secondary living unit located at 1917 West Sanford Street.

The current zoning is residential single family 7.2, and the site is 10,488 square feet in size.

The site is a corner lot located on the corner of West Sanford Street and Jordan Lane in an established residential neighborhood.

To the south of Sanford Street is zoned residential medium density, and that is developed with duplexes.

The surrounding neighborhood is single family.

Here are some images of the subject site, but the front and the west corner, the view to the south showing the existing duplexes, and a view down west Sanford Street to the east.

They are proposing a 674 square foot secondary living unit with 564 square feet of living space.

It is meeting UDC setback requirements, 10 feet from the rear, 25 feet from the street side, and 24 feet from the east property line.

This is to be used for family.

The applicant says his son will live in the secondary living unit.

The floor plan meets our UDC standards of one bedroom, one bathroom, one living area.

The elevations will be cement cementitious siding and shingled roof.

Here are the allowed uses in the RS 7.2 zoning district.

Secondary living units are allowed if granted a specific use permit.

The wood fencing uh that's adjacent to Jordan Drive is in pretty bad disrepair, so staff does recommend the replacement of that fence as a condition of the approval.

The applicant and the owner of the lot is Anibal Pellisaire.

Staff has received no uh petitions of support or opposition for the case, and I'm available for any questions.

Thank you very much.

Are there any questions of staff at this time?

Thank you.

I'll open the public hearing.

I'll ask the applicant to come forward and speak if they'd like.

So Annabel Pelliser or whoever whoever is uh representing them, please state your name and the city that you live in.

Good evening.

Uh members of this committee.

I'm a little nervous.

It's okay.

We don't buy it.

Thank you for giving me an opportunity to speak today.

My name is Anival Palisier.

And I am here to respectfully request approval for the small apartment.

Project located at 1917 West Sanford Street.

This project is designed to support a young person managing mental health issues, challenges.

This is small apartment.

It's not just about housing.

For us, my wife and I, it's about stability, independence, and well-being.

The space is safe, calm, and thoughtfully designed to promote a healthy daily routine for our son.

Our goal as a parents is to help our son build confidence, self, I mean, feel grounded, and have a place.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

I welcome any questions you may have about the proposal.

Thank you, Mr.

Palliser.

Are there any questions from the commissioners to the applicant at this time?

I have one.

Do you agree?

Uh per the staff recommendations to fix that wooden fence?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

And is there anyone that lives in that house up front at this time?

Yes.

And that what what will happen to that person after the completion of the uh of the secondary unit in the back?

Well, uh this unit is for our son and the family that we are leasing the property there.

Uh we'll stay there.

We don't have any plans to change.

And so is is the person that lives on the home on Sanford Street.

Are they a relative of yours or they're just a tenant?

That's I'm sorry.

The people who live in that home now on Sanford Street, are they related to you or are they a tenant?

No.

They're not related to you.

Okay.

No, sir.

Commission uh Commissioner uh who wants to go first?

Carter?

Commissioner Carter, go ahead.

Hello.

Do you have um other rental properties?

Are you experienced in the rental business?

Yeah, I it's my understanding that's not this small apartment won't be for business.

It's not for sale.

It won't be for rent.

It's just for my son.

So but you do have other rental properties?

Yes.

More than four?

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Commissioner Winkles.

Sir, thank you so much for coming and asking for your approval.

My question for you is you have a paying tenant residing in the front part of the home.

There's going to be some common space because your son will be entering in through a fence, I'm assuming into his home area.

I mean, we can't dictate how you manage that, but normally we would approve an SEU, or an SEU is more likely to be approved if you, the owner, are requesting a secondary unit for someone in your family at the home in which you reside.

And it's my understanding from your presentation that you gave to us, your shared dialogue that you don't reside in this home, that you live in Grand Prairie, and that your intent was to downsize and move to Arlington to become an active member of our community here in Arlington, as well as provide for your son.

Is that not your intent?

Yes.

Currently the properties rented to housing.

And uh since I will retire in a few more months, uh we are going back to uh CENF.

That was our first property that we bought and we live there, and we are coming back to see our son in our own backyard.

But that statement right there contradicts the statement you indicated a moment ago, whereas the tenant that lives in the house currently will not be displaced because you're going to leave them there.

Is that so which statement is right?

I guess is my question.

Are you planning to evict the tenant that lives there when their lease is up?

No.

No.

So then you're not going to reside in the primary home on the property.

For it just a few period of time, yes.

I won't you know displace this people.

We have a contract with housing.

When is their housing contract up?

I believe it's in February next year.

So you don't intend to renew their lease in February, and you are going to request them to leave the property.

Correct.

Okay.

And then at that point, you're going to start construction on an SCU unit.

And you're going to retain res your primary residence in Arlington versus where you reside now.

That's correct.

I don't want to start building something.

My son is uh getting um more independent.

We encourage to be a productive young man.

Okay.

He's 26 years old, but mentally not.

Okay.

We have a guardian sheep.

Um and we need to, you know, help him.

Do you have yeah?

He wants to live alone.

He's in this stage that, okay, mom, that I can do by myself.

Understood.

Thank you for clarifying your answer.

My answer.

Yeah.

Where does um any other questions?

I have a couple.

Where does your son live now?

Where did us with you now?

Yeah.

But is that the situation is getting a little tense between our son and sure.

Parents.

Uh I'm gonna make a comment.

Uh this is from I think a lot of us here have this uh we have we all have compassion.

We have approved through planning the zoning, and remember this still has to go to the council.

Uh because council is the one that actually does the real vote.

This vote here is is it is a recommendation to council, either yes or no.

And compassionately, we've had quite a few other appearance, we've had several other applicants in the past come before us, and every single time they live in the home, and they're gonna build a home in the back in their backyard for a relative.

And our ordinances are exist to allow secondary units like this for these types of compassionate family-oriented uses.

You have a really good story.

The problem I have is you don't live in that house, and you have a tenant.

And it would be if you had come to us and said, you know what, we have moved into this house, uh, the tenant is gone, and we're here.

If you move to that house in February, when that tenant leaves, and you come back down here in February and say, we now live in that house, we will give you permission, or I know I would.

Tonight I hesitate to vote yes.

You own a lot of other property.

Uh as much as I want to be compassionate and believe your story, I personally am going to vote no tonight.

But if you come back in February with a different story and then you live in that house, and it's now your homestead, then, and I emphasize that word, and it's your homestead.

Uh this I think this commission will look very favorably upon upon what you want to do because we are compassionate, and we do understand your story.

But I don't know how the vote's gonna go tonight.

I just know I'm gonna vote no.

Are there any other comments or questions for any of the other commissioners?

Commissioner Blake.

I'll just say that I can concur with m most everything that he said.

You know, if you were living there, if your son was living there in in the back, I deal a lot with special needs in Arlington, and you know making that jump and potentially having somebody there that's completely outside of you know your realm.

So if he's in a different location, that just doesn't work.

So for some reason it falls through where you're not living there, I don't see that as a workable situation for you.

Um I'm I'm with Dr.

Nunez.

I would absolutely and had almost decided to vote yes on this, but with the current situation, I will be voting no as well.

Commissioner Weir and then Commissioner Greer.

Um I feel the same way.

As they do.

Um we've got a situation though where you could he go with a indefinite continuance on this.

Because if we vote no, he can't cause the if we vote no tonight.

You can't we can't come back for a year, is that correct?

So if you would go with an intent uh indefinite continuance, once you get more set on when your uh your renter is going to be gone, what you're gonna do, uh possibly even show up and let us meet your son.

We're all I I was pretty much at compassion and care over what I really wanted to vote was no.

Uh now I feel like I've got to.

So if we can get more information exactly when it's gonna happen, it's definitely gonna happen the less he knows he's uh they are going uh to have to move elsewhere, and we've got uh got proof, yeah.

It's trust but verify is where I'm at right now, and I I can't verify a yes vote for you.

Sir, would you uh any other comments?

Uh that's right.

That was gonna be my statement too, just uh yeah, recommendation recommend uh uh indefinite um Commissioner Maddox.

Yeah, I just want to make sure that you understand what the commission is telling you is that um give you time to make the decision, move into the house, and then come back at that time and say, okay, I'm here, I want to build this project for my son.

So it's not gonna be a no tonight, it's gonna be come back when you when you've met these conditions.

Yeah.

Do you understand?

I think so, yes, sir.

Um the reason that I feel that I need to bring this issue before you is because uh I can manage his behavior.

And um and uh we were planning to go back there, and uh but uh seems to me that we need to wait.

Um on the other hand, I was reading the rules of the city that it says it's not a condition to leave there.

Um that's why probably uh I made a mistake to come here.

And uh but yeah.

Um the issue is okay, um our son wants to be independent even.

We are uh aware of our risk as a parents that even building in the backyard something, he will be happy with that.

And uh and uh we believe me.

Everyone here would vote yes tonight if we knew that the situation was different.

We want to say yes, but under a different set of circumstances if what you wanted was easy, then everybody in town would be building small apartments in their backyard and running them out to whoever.

We're we're different than uh and so that for that reason uh I'm gonna ask you this question uh to bring this conversation to a close.

Do you want an indefinite continuance?

Which gives you the option of coming back, because we will vote on that tonight if that's acceptable to you.

Do you want us to do that?

Or do you want us to vote yes or no on your original request tonight?

If we vote no, then you won't be unable to come back before us and city council, and you will be unable to do anything to that property for one year.

Can I make a comment?

Well, yeah, go ahead.

Well, the ordinance uh the UDC says when an application submitted pursuant to the code is denied, or a new application for the same or substantially the same request as determined by the zoning administrator shall be submitted or accepted within one year of the date of the denial, unless the zoning administrator determines that the resubmitted application corrects the stated objection.

I see.

So I think he could come back if you were to deny it.

Okay.

Because I think he would be correct in what you're having an objection to.

Right.

And and just to clarify, uh everything the chair said was correct, except that uh you know, obviously uh the applicant always has the right to appeal to the the city council, although I would not recommend an appeal to city council with uh what appears to be almost a unanimous uh no on that tonight, but uh you certainly have that right to do that.

Uh sir, you uh you understand what the what the area of contention is, but I I think you you did note for the record earlier you you have no anticipation on on building this before the the renters in the the main house would be leaving in February anyway, is that correct?

Well, we are dealing with that.

We don't want to uh this is uh something that we feel bad, they are a good uh person, they are in their housing.

Uh one of the tenant has problems uh similar to my my son, uh and um um I want to cooperate with my community.

That's why I'm doing business with house.

I I think the the only reason why that is an area of contention is because until you're a hundred percent certain that you uh are comfortable with those tenants leaving the residence, it it appears that the commission has serious concerns about your statement that you want to be there for your son if you're not there with your son.

You you see the disconnect here?

Yeah, okay.

So uh but you definitely have a right if you want the decision made tonight, the board can vote on it tonight, uh, and then you can live with the consequences of that.

Uh or you can request a continuance uh and the commission can take up that.

It's your choice.

Yeah, I would like to see if you give me time to work on on this uh situation.

Okay.

Um correct me uh if I uh I don't understand the uh uh rules or um rules from the CD.

Um I have to come back and start from the Sir, if it was continued, you you would come back with the same application and you'd be in front of the same group of people.

I see.

Uh you know, but you just have to address the concern, or you could you could have the vote tonight and then based on what the decision is there, you'd have to decide whether or not you wanted to reapply in the future or if you wanted to do something else with the property.

I see.

Okay.

Commissioner Sumter.

Uh oh.

Go ahead.

I'd highly recommend a continuance because if you don't and we vote on it and you choose not to appeal, you'd have to pay an application of fee again to start the project over.

So I think it's in your best interest to continue the case until you occupy the house, come back before us and and present it at that time.

I had a question for staff.

If he expanded the house, the existing house as it is today, and just added essentially what he's designed now and just connected it to the house that's there.

That's not a a secondary dwelling unit, right?

If he acts a kitchen uh and a bedroom and a bathroom, then it is a secondary.

So it doesn't matter if it's connected.

Not if there's a kitchen added.

So you can't have if it if it looks like a duck, cracks like a duck, it's a duck.

Okay.

So you can't have two kitchens and a house.

It's just multi-family.

Got it.

Okay.

So uh the reason I brought that up is trying to see if there's another option, but it doesn't look like there is.

So I'd highly recommend accepting what the chairman's offering.

Sure.

Okay.

So I need to hear you uh say that you would like for us to uh give you an uh a continuance so that you can come back at a later time and so that you will not have to pay again.

You will not have to pay the application fee.

Okay.

Is that what you want?

Yes, sir.

I would like to, you know, come back later.

Commissioner Carter?

Thank you.

I think a little bit of clarification from Mr.

Gatton would help.

Does the UDC say you do have to live in the primary structure or not live in the primary structure?

And does it need to be a uh a uh uh your homestead exemption?

I know the UDC doesn't address the homestead exemption, but how do you do they need it?

Does the You answered your question?

You didn't need me.

Well it does not address a homestead exemption.

No, it does not address a homestead exemption.

So we we do we don't require homestead exemption.

I I think that based on what the commission is asking for, it might be definitely in his best interest if he were to go ahead and get a homestead exemption before he came back.

Uh but honestly I think that's in his best interest regardless if that's going to be his primary residence.

Although I think I did said work during work session.

I'm I'm really not for homestead exemptions at all, but we we got them, so uh you should take advantage of them for sure.

With the other issue, uh uh yes, I I I think the issue is uh why is it being why is the request there and that that definitely runs into is it is it a single family residence or not?

Uh we we do have issues regarding m uh we we have allowances for head of household and members of the family and then non-related folks, but that relates to one structure.

So if you're going to a an accessory dwelling unit, then all you've done is you've made two primary dwelling units on, which then just becomes multifamily.

So if he was zoned uh townhouse, uh detached townhouse or RM twelve here, uh then it would be appropriate, but uh he's he's owned res single family, so what's so what I would suggest to you I would say that's probably best to decide if you're truly gonna move back into the house and then start the application.

You can't really get a homestead exemption done until you are occupying the house as your property.

And also the uh the the uh if you're receiving housing voucher from your tenant, uh they are leasing the house and the yard and the driveway, so does that affect anything with housing?

So I would check with them if you you know, but uh I just don't think it's gonna work unless you're occupying the property yourself.

I understand.

Uh so uh I'll make the motion uh to uh request a continuance indefinitely uh for uh what's the name of this for SUP um this is 29-20 25 dash what 2029 already I know I put my papers away.

Is that true?

I second that emotion, sir.

Cast your vote.

It's eight to one, sir.

You do have a continuance.

You can come back at a later time uh when you've uh corrected some of these uh things that we've discussed with you.

Okay.

All right, thank you very much.

Thank you.

With that, do we have any other reports from any other bodies, commissions?

No, sir.

And do we have any announcements from anybody or staff?

No.

You have a card for me.

Oh, excuse me, this card right here.

Yes.

There being no other business before the commission tonight, I hereby declare this uh meeting adjourned, and we will meet again uh on here it is.

Let me get this out here.

December the third, twenty twenty-five at 5 30 p.m.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone.

Thank you.

Have a good time, I'm gonna go to the East District.

We have Deputy Chief Paul Rodriguez, and he's in the South District.

And then finally, we have Tad Wong.

And I had some of Tad Wong's brisket when I was in the West District, and that's the secret weapon.

Officers hope that events like cooking with guts will help them to connect with all residents in Arlington so they can serve as their eyes and ears in their communities to keep the American dream city safe and beautiful.

And we're essentially bringing the library to people's homes.