0:00Good evening again, ladies and gentlemen.
0:03Again, my name is Dr.
0:04Ignacio Nunez, and I am the chair of the Planning and Zoning Commission for the City of Arlington.
0:09I hereby call this regularly noticed meeting of the City of Arlington's Planning and Zoning Commission regular session to order for December the 17th, 2025.
0:21This time I'll ask our administrator to read the speaker guidelines and general decorum.
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1:02All speakers shall address the commissioners and not the audience or city staff and shall not call out individually named members of city staff or public.
1:11For speakers tonight, where your name is called, please come to the microphone at the podium and state your name and city of residence for the record.
1:17The applicant will be asked to speak first and will be given 10 minutes to make a presentation.
1:22Speakers in support or opposition of the item will be given five minutes each to make their statements.
1:27If there are many speakers for an item, each speaker will be given three minutes each to make their statements.
1:33The applicant then will be given five minutes for any rebuttal.
1:37If multiple speakers plan to provide the same or similar comments, those speakers may, if they so desire, designate one or more individuals to provide public comment on behalf of the group.
1:48A bell will signal the end of each speaker's time.
1:50In consideration of other speakers, please conclude your comments promptly when you hear the bell.
1:54We ask that you direct your excuse me.
1:57We ask that you address your comments to the planning and zoning commissioners.
2:02First item for tonight is the approval of minutes.
2:05The minutes of the December 3rd, 2025 regular session agenda meeting were sent to all the commissioners in advance.
2:11Were there any changes or corrections needed to the minutes?
2:16Seeing none, do I have a motion to approve?
2:18I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Blake and a second by Commissioner Winkles.
2:23Please cast your vote.
2:34Next on our agenda, we have three zoning cases.
2:38This first one is titled PD 24-28, addressed at 5920 Matlock Road.
2:45This is an application for a change in zoning from office commercial to a planned development for residential medium density RM12 uses and office commercial uses with a development plan on approximately 3.165 acres.
3:03This time I'll call on our staff to present its report on the zoning case PD 24-28.
3:10Good evening, Commissioners Audience.
3:12Alicia Sudberry, Development Planning Manager.
3:15Tonight we're going to hear PD 24-28, located at 5920 Matlock Road.
3:22It is approximately 3.165 acres.
3:26The current zoning is office commercial.
3:29The request is for a planned development for residential medium density 12 and office commercial uses with a development plan.
3:54Properties to the north are developed with a daycare center and duplexes.
3:59Properties to the east, west, and south are developed with single-family homes.
4:14The daycare to the north was constructed in 1987.
4:18Matlock Road was completed in 1997, and homes began developing to the east, west, and south of the site.
4:26The aerial images show how the area evolved from 1970s to present.
4:33The site photos in the upper left-hand corner.
4:37It's a view of the subject site looking west.
4:42There's a view of the site looking north to the daycare, a view south from the subject site, and a view east across Matlock Road.
4:54The development proposes 24 townhomes in the southern portion of the property and a commercial building to the north.
5:02Each unit in the townhome is two stories with three bedrooms and two and a half baths.
5:08One car garage with tandem parking in the driveway and 15 visitor parking spaces located in the southwest portion of the development.
5:17In the north portion of the property is a commercial building.
5:22The building will be a one-story shell building, leaving the interior for tenant customization.
5:28The plan proposes 36 parking spaces.
5:32Dumpster has been relocated to the northwest corner of the property after discussion at the last planning and zoning commission meeting.
5:44The proposed development meets the dimensional standards except for the lot area for the townhomes.
5:52In the previous version, you saw that they were proposing 2,000 square feet.
5:57They have increased that to 2200 square feet, and the UDC requirements are for 2900 square feet.
6:10The commercial building meets all the dimensional standards.
6:18The applicant proposes a brick and stucco on the facades.
6:22The roofs feature a pitch design with a composition shingle covering with a roof pitch of 812.
6:29Variation in building facades, roof designs, and window placements have been integrated to add character and establish an identity to the community.
6:41This is the first floor plan that shows a garage, a living room, kitchen, pantry, and bath.
6:51This is the second floor plan, which shows three bedrooms and one and a half baths.
7:00This is the office commercial building.
7:03The plan proposes brick and stucco on the facades with at least 25% of the front facade featuring glazing.
7:11And there are several architectural elements proposed to add character to the building.
7:20This is the landscape plan.
7:21One tree is provided in front of each townhome, and some landscaping with trees and benches has been added next to the visitor parking area.
7:30The development is providing approximately 17,898 square feet as open space.
7:38There are no existing protected trees on the site.
7:43And the applicant proposes to remove all non-protected trees from the site.
7:56Two neighbors, city staff, and council member Rogan Solis were present.
8:04The applicant has met most of the required screening and buffering requirements per the UDC except for the buffer between the office commercial and residential along the western property line and southern property line.
8:17A 10-foot buffer is provided rather than the required 15 feet, and also trees are layered in a single row rather than the required two rows.
8:27Three trees have been added to the northern property line, increasing the count from six trees to nine trees.
8:34A total of 22 trees are provided in the buffer for the commercial lot.
8:49And these are the itemized allowable uses for the OC zoning.
8:59The proposed townhome development promotes the following develop our land strategies.
9:04Encourage the development of housing choices that meet the needs of current and emerging populations, including singles, couples, small and large families, empty nesters, and seniors.
9:16Identify and develop infill areas in ways that are compatible with their surroundings.
9:22Town home development can be a transitional use between single family detached to the south and commercial zoning to the north along Matlock Road.
9:42The applicant is seeking the following deviations for the lot area required.
9:48It's 2900 square feet and proposed is 2200 square feet.
9:53And the required screening and buffer, level two buffer is required between the western and southern property line.
10:04Nine trees are provided along the western property line in the commercial lot.
10:10The applicant is Henry Wynn consulting LLC.
10:13The owner is CAPCAP properties, LLC.
10:17Staff has received two letters of support and one letter of opposition, and staff is available for any questions.
10:24Thank you very much.
10:28Thank you very much.
10:29Are there any questions of staff at this time by the commissioners?
10:44If you would please come to the podium, please state your name and the city of your residence.
10:58My name is Henry Wynne.
11:00Um I'm the applicant for this uh zoning case.
11:04Uh again, I'm not gonna try you know, take any more of your time because we we went through this before.
11:12And uh after the our meeting back in July 17, I know that you um the count the committee have a uh number of issues and concern, and we went back and to our drawn board.
11:26We have try our best to address I think almost every single one except a couple of item.
11:35Um we uh we did reduce the number of the town home unit from 29 to 24.
11:43Uh we increased the visit visitor parking from eight to fifteen.
11:48Um we provide more landscaping, more tree, more shrub.
11:52Um we did send out a hundred and fifty letter for the neighborhood meeting, but unfortunately only uh two residents show up and uh and we we did intend to to address the fencing issue at that meeting, but unfortunately, um the only the only solution that we can come up with is since there are only maybe 12 um residents surrounding this property, we can get together with them individually and see if we can address the fencing issue.
12:30Uh our plan is to remove all the um unprotected tree and provide a new fence, uh remove the all fence and provide the new fence.
12:43This is that is our goal, but again, we have to you know get the uh agreement from the citizen in order to do that, and since the only 12 um individual homeowners, I I believe we can we can knock on their door and and have a meeting and address that um issue another concern that I think these uh the committee has is the location of the uh dumpster, and we did move that to the to the back and provide a drive-through for the garbage truck to come by and pick it up and and bring it back to the front.
13:31The um for the commercial um building, the proposal is gonna be medical office, uh pharmacy, and some retail, general retail.
13:43This will be no smoke smoke or vape shop or anything like that.
13:49Uh, that's it's not you know, we we're not gonna that's not our goal.
13:57Well, anyway, um that's that's all I have.
14:00If you have any question, I'm I would try my best to to address uh to answer the question.
14:09Um remember the last time you were here.
14:13Uh we do appreciate that you've come back, and we appreciate that you've made many of the changes that we requested.
14:18So thank you for that.
14:19At this time, do the commissioners have any questions of the applicant?
14:23First, Commissioner Sumter, followed by Commissioner Carter.
14:30Uh if we could pull the site plan up, but from what I just heard, you had put the dumpster in the I guess northwest corner in the single-lane drive.
14:42That's purely just for the access for the truck refuse.
14:50My personal opinion is we maybe move that in line with the building and not have to have all that expense of constructing that drive just for that purpose, and then it allows you to provide the buffer that we're asking for a deviation on.
15:01And then it allows you to provide the buffer that we're asking for a deviation on.
15:06So you might have the room to do that.
15:10And you don't have if it's not gonna be a drive-thru window of some sort, because that's originally what I thought it was gonna be.
15:37This is the uh the old plans.
15:38Um yeah, that's an old one.
15:42That that's the the this plan well originally that the dumpster will was that right there, but um because of the concern we have to move it back.
15:55Yeah, I was thinking you just put the dumpster on the north side on the north side.
15:59Okay, that way you don't have to build that drive.
16:03Because the parking doesn't work anyways because it's 12 foot lane, you can't back out.
16:07And if you're purely just building all that drive just for the trash truck, I don't want you to have to do that and have all that expense doing it, and then you all you can provide the 10-foot buffer.
16:22Okay, so that'll be part of the motion.
16:24Uh uh, Commissioner Carter.
16:27Do you plan on uh these units to be for sale the last time I spoke with the property all I mean with the development, it gonna be for rent.
16:41So it's a for rent community, okay.
16:45Um the the uh um trash for each garage, the the trash for each unit, um how many feet is the driveway from the street to their garage door.
17:06Um it we had a problem lately with the uh um the uh um you know where were the where the trash pins will be stored.
17:22I think right now it's it's about 20 feet from the from the roadway to the garage.
17:28And uh it's gonna be individual, just like you know, a residential home.
17:34You have uh you have to look with a city to have a container and and leave it uh out in front of your garage.
17:43The the file lane is um designed to to the city's standard, so you know that the five um the the truck can be you know come in and and turn around and it'll be tight, but yeah, they're gonna be tight, yes.
18:03It's I think that's what the problem last time was also.
18:05The and I I really thought last time that I in my mind I was thinking they were for sell units for sell.
18:12Um but either way, the uh I I just don't think you'll have a um uh it'll really say a lot for your build in your community if you do uh a new fence.
18:22So I really think it's important for you to get the the uh neighbor participation to you know for you to offer to put in a an eight-foot cedar fence.
18:32Um it's a really tiny backyard, and no one wants to, you know, a tenant or a home buyer don't want to look look outside and see you know the 1990 fence from the neighbor uh wind blows them down, and so I really think it would be uh you and the developer being a good neighbor and putting up a perimeter fence of the property to make it have a really good look.
18:57That's I'll go Commissioner Carter, where where would you like to see that eight-foot fence specifically on this drawing?
19:07Uh the the perimeter of the property, the all the back side, the west side, the south side anywhere it's that it's someone's um backyard and anywhere in the even in this parking lot.
19:21I just don't see how a new development like this spending this much money on it could be um uh uh you know rely on a a 20-year-old fence that could be behind there or mismatched fence.
19:36You know, those are gonna be uh four to five different properties on the on the west side.
19:44And uh so I think it just needs to be consistent, and um it's it's three houses uh on that west side that would so it could possibly be three different homeowners' fences.
20:00Um the other the north side is duplexes, um so I haven't seen the condition of the fence, but you know, those could be really uh sporadic uh on the condition and the timing of the age, you know, the age of them.
20:17Thank you, Commissioner.
20:19Uh Commissioner Blake, thank you.
20:27Glad I'm that memorable.
20:29Um so I have I still have concerns about the size of the lot and would really like to see a couple more done, but I I really hate to send you back to the drawing board.
20:42So unless other commissioners feel that way.
20:45I'm also kind of concerned that we're going to take this type of property and put it to rent because how is that going to be maintained?
20:52Is it is there gonna be an HOA?
20:54Is there gonna be a management company that's there?
20:57Um you know, how are we gonna make sure that everything's done and kept up to to standard if it's if it's gonna be for rain then the the property owner gonna be responsible for the maintained of their property?
21:15I think it's is in the best interest to to make sure the property in you know good shape so you can attract the the right.
21:28Is this a rental property or a property for sale, or you specifically have people that lined up to buy it as investments?
21:36No, the this owner he right now he um the owner intend to um to use um the commercial building as his pharmacy.
21:55Okay, he owned all of this land, and his goal is to uh operate and and own the whole the you know the two uh the two both commercial and residential.
22:10So he will be the developer, the owner.
22:15I think if I was to move forward with this, I I would want to make sure that this at least this part of it, so that if it ever got sold off, whatever we decide to do, because I think are these also individually platted.
22:27Yeah, individually platted.
22:28So therefore I would want an HOA on top of this that made sure that there was long-term management and stability of it instead of just running with it.
22:38There will have to be an HOA because there's a private accessment, it'll have to be maintained by a homeowners association.
22:45It won't be a city street.
22:49And then the other thing is the the fencing, and even if you can't get the current homeowners to agree to that, you know, I'd like to see it in there that they take responsibility for the fencing of the entire property.
23:04And typically a six-foot uh wood fence is what is required between residential.
23:10I think somebody said eight foot, but six foot is typically required uh between residential properties.
23:21Commissioner Carter would thank you, Commissioner Carter.
23:25Because it is res it's RM12 residential, and then there's RS5 on one side, and then I think it's RS 7.2.
23:35No, it's it's RS 7.2 all the way around.
23:38RS5 to the south and the west, and then in that northwest is uh RMF RMF 22.
23:46I think it's duplex is built there.
23:48So the requirement uh according to our unified development code is a six-foot fence.
23:54This would be a six-foot fence.
23:56Commissioner Carter, what do you think about that?
23:58Even where the pharmacy is is would that be because it's RMF 22 behind it?
24:05That would exclude the the pharmacies uh behind the pharmacy being only six.
24:12I believe they have an option for a six or eight where there's commercial adjacent to residential.
24:21I'd be okay with six.
24:23Yes, I would be okay with six too, but I just it's um it I just really couldn't imagine doing this caliber of a project with using the existing fences, but no, I I agree with you.
24:40Um other questions at this time comments.
24:48I have a question uh just because I want to make sure every one of these units has a backyard, correct?
24:53Yes, and those backyards are gonna be divided between each other.
25:00Gonna be a fence between the along the property line.
25:03And how how long will the how to those fences be in?
25:07And what will they be constructed of?
25:09Uh it's the wooden fence.
25:16So I just want you, I want to make sure you understand, based on uh what what you just heard, that part of what you what's your uh owner will be required to establish as a homeowners association.
25:32Uh and the that will then the dues for that will be needed will need to be taken into consideration when you do your rent structure because those dues are going to go into the homeowners association to maintain that private drive to maintain the fences.
25:48And to maintain whatever open space you have for whatever company is going to come through and mow it and keep the trees alive and watered and all that and all that other stuff.
25:59Any other questions about the commissioners?
26:06Is there anyone else here to speak in favor of this project?
26:11Is there anyone here that is uh wants to speak opposing this project?
26:19I don't see any cards.
26:22Okay, so before I close the uh uh this uh public part of the meeting, Mr.
26:28Duane, did you have any final comments?
26:33All right, thank you very much.
26:34I'll entertain a motion at this time.
26:37I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Blake.
26:40I have a second by Commissioner Sumter.
26:43Commissioner Blake, would you please state your motion?
26:47I would like to make a motion to approve PD 24-28, 5920 Matlock Road with any staff considerations in the addition of the requirement of the HOA and ensuring that the HOA is the one to maintain the perimeter fencing.
27:07And you wanted to make sure that we have a six-foot fence surrounding the property?
27:14And uh we're allowing uh staff and the applicant to change the location of the dumpster from where it is in the rendering.
27:23Is that also part of your motion?
27:27Add the word cedar to the fencing.
27:29It's inferior products just won't last.
27:33But I think the cedar will be cedar fencing.
27:36Cedar fencing, okay.
27:37Commissioner Sumter.
27:39And could I also ask the uh motion maker to amend to relocate the dumpster and get rid of the drive on the backside to allow for the landscape buffer to be in place?
27:50That is my amendment.
27:52That is that is your motion.
27:55Commissioner Sumter, since you're the second, is that also your second?
27:59And staff has that all jotted down?
28:16Motion passes five to two.
28:20Duane, for your business.
28:22Good luck on your endeavor.
28:25Next, um we're gonna move on to the next item on our agenda.
28:32PD 25-19 addressed at approximately 2504 South Cooper.
28:38This is an application for approval of a change in zoning from community commercial to planned development for community commercial uses plus auto repair major, limited to aesthetic and customization work on approximately 1.177 acres.
28:58This time staff will present.
29:00Good evening, commissioners.
29:01For the record, Alex Van Amberg, planner, planning and development services presenting PD 25-19.
29:08The site is approximately 1.177 acres, addressed as 2504 South Cooper Street, currently zoned community commercial.
29:17The applicant is requesting a planned development for community commercial uses plus auto repair garage major use, which will be limited to aesthetic and customization work only.
29:29The site is located west of South Cooper Street.
29:34Here are some images of the surrounding uses.
30:00The view west is directly behind the subject property and actually gets access from the subject property, developed with an industrial building which houses commercial automotive and industrial uses.
30:10Here's an aerial image of the site.
30:15The site is currently developed with a single commercial building.
30:18It does contain two suites.
30:20Both of those suites are currently vacant.
30:23In September, the applicant applied for a CO at this property, asking for auto vinyl sales.
30:29That application was denied.
30:31Per our zoning administrator, vinyl auto wraps have been determined to fall under the zoning use type, auto repair garage major, which is not a permitted use in the currently zoned community commercial.
30:46Some background on auto repair garage major uses.
30:49They are allowed by right in industrial manufacturing and by right and light industrial if that lease space is greater than 200 feet from the right-of-way.
30:58It's allowed with SUP approval in light industrial if it is closer than 200 feet.
31:06So this request will be for auto repair garage major, which is limited to only aesthetic and customization services.
31:14Those services would include vinyl wrapping, upholstery, paintless stent repair, custom wheels, window tinting, audio system installation, prohibited uses, which would typically be allowed in auto repair garage major, would be painting or use of any sort of paint booths or spray painting of vehicles or vehicle parts, collision repair or reconditioning services, car washing or detailing services, or uses that would fall under auto service center, which would be things like oil change, inspections, and tire shops.
31:52These proposed and prohibited uses would be clearly outlined in the plan development ordinance.
32:00The following standards do apply to auto repair garage major uses, as uh these are currently outlined in our UDC.
32:07All work must be conducted entirely within an enclosed building.
32:11Uh any outdoor storage or display of products is not permitted, and service bays must not be visible from the public right-of-way.
32:18The applicant does agree to all of these standards.
32:21The existing two bay doors for this building are located in the rear and are not uh visible from South Cooper Street.
32:29Here you can see the front of the building from South Cooper Street.
32:35Required parking for this use type is two spaces for per 1,000 square feet of floor area.
32:41That would be about 20 parking spaces.
32:43Uh they are providing 37 parking spaces.
32:4712 of these parking spaces are in the rear of the building and cannot be seen from South Cooper Street.
32:52They have also recently repaved the parking surface and restriped.
32:58The site was developed in 1972.
33:00Uh, this was prior to the current UDC landscape standards, so the site is not in compliance with the current minimum landscape requirements.
33:08Those landscape requirements in the current UDC would be a 15-foot landscape buffer and associated plantings along South Cooper Street.
33:16There are also two existing non-conforming pole signs on the property.
33:21Uh, the applicant has agreed to remove those pole signs.
33:23The pole signs would have to be removed before staff would uh issue a certificate of occupancy.
33:30Staff considerations include adding landscaping and irrigation along South Cooper Street to improve the landscaping and the look of the front of that property.
33:42The comprehensive plan uh designates this area as established residential, uh, which is comprised of commercial uses and some light industrial uses.
33:51The proposed development may be seen to advance the following strategies, such as promoting land use patterns that reflects a mix of integrated community uses, encouraging appropriate redevelopment and investment of uh existing sites, and continuing to require street scape improvements as a part of new developments and redevelopments.
34:12The site is also within the South Cooper Corridor strategy.
34:16Um it is in zone two of the strategy, which the vision for that zone is for small business innovation district, and certain objectives that should be taken into consideration is exploring a business innovation district strategy, um, establishing well-connected street grid and improving access to work for day laborers in the corridor.
34:37So the allowed uses uh in the community commercial zoning district are here on the screen.
34:43Uh all of these uses would be allowed, plus that auto repair garage major limited to the custom and aesthetic uh use.
34:53Applicant is David Dowling and the owner is Johnson Creek Partners.
34:57Staff has received two letters of opposition, and staff is available for any questions.
35:02Thank you very much.
35:04At this time, the staff have any additional questions.
35:09Thank you very much.
35:12At this time, I'll open the public hearing and call for the first speaker.
35:15So if the applicant would please come forward.
35:19Please identify yourself by name and city of residence only.
35:23We don't need your address.
35:25My name is David Dowling, Arlington, Texas.
35:30Umundamentally what we're doing is uh taking the old Kellymore slash furniture mart and giving it some newer uses.
35:40Um I guess the oh no.
35:47Oh, this is kind of an example of what we're proposing as far as one tenant.
35:52It's two suites 2504, 2506.
35:55Um 2506 is earmarked for Jay-Z wraps, and here's a sampling of some of the work that he does.
36:05JC, do you want to talk about this?
36:08I don't know if that matters as far as your cards.
36:16My name is Hajar Cindy and uh Arlington, Texas.
36:20Um, pretty much what we do is cars come in and we just freshen them up, give them a new look.
36:26This car, the finish on it is uh called satin black.
36:29And what that is is just it's like a vinyl wrap.
36:32Um so that one actually came in white, and we put the sleek new wrap on it and pretty much just styled it up.
36:39Um clients like to use their cars nowadays to kind of express who they are and and fix them up a little bit.
36:45I feel like nowadays people take their cars more and more uh or they treat them more and more like dearly to themselves and and how they want to show them off and stuff like that.
36:56So yeah, that's pretty much what we do.
36:58I mean, simply put, cars come in, we clean them up, make them look better, or make them look how the client wants it to look, and then they roll out.
37:05Uh we don't do anything heavy mechanical, we don't tear them apart, we don't you know get oily and greasy.
37:12The cleaner our environment is the the better our business will do.
37:16The better it looks, the better the business will do, and that's something that uh clients really look for when they're looking for a wrap shop, is something that looks nice and tidy, looks good from the inside, off uh good from the outside.
37:28And then this is another uh commercial rep we did.
37:32The van was already black.
37:34This is for Via of Arlington.
37:36Um they literally just came in and within a day we put the blue stripe on it, the blue Arlington on demand, and obviously there are their logo and stuff like that.
37:45We actually have a contract with them, so we've done probably 30 to 40 vans for them in the past year.
37:51And then this is uh car that's just customized, obviously.
37:55It's uh it's one of the neuro Corvettes.
37:58We put a candy red wrap on it.
38:00Uh, he got some new wheels and pretty much ready to roll.
38:05And then in the back, you can see obviously like rolls of wrap and just kind of displaying what we do.
38:11It has to be uh, you can see there's a uh AC unit as well.
38:14We have three in that one.
38:16Um it has to be climate controlled, which is huge.
38:18So just overall, it's it's a very nice and friendly environment.
38:23And then our current location on uh uh Arkansas, this is what it's looking like uh from the outside.
38:29Obviously, it's not necessarily the prettiest thing, but this is also something that's not on a main road.
38:34Um this is kind of tucked away behind a few different buildings, so this is what it looks like.
38:39Um, but yeah, it's still fairly clean.
38:42You know, we have the turf in the front and signs and stuff, marking stuff like that.
38:48Uh that's pretty much yeah.
38:52Okay, um, Alex did an awesome job giving you the adjacent uses.
38:57Um, I'm gonna go through them very, very quickly.
39:00Um I guess uh we need to uh okay.
39:07So obviously that's our site directly to the north.
39:10Um being that is uh the glacier wind uh window tinning, whose uh PDs actually LB, I guess back in the day it was local business, which has since conformed to after a few iterations to the new CC, but it's still that PD was issued for those folks to our direct north that's there.
39:33Um directly ahead of that would be Southwest Classics.
39:39These folks specialize in uh classic truck parts and accessories, which you can't get off the shelf at AutoZone or O'Reilly's.
39:49Um further to the north of that is the Popeyes, which used to be that old eyesore Chinese restaurant.
40:00To the southwest is tire shop.
40:08Further south than that would be another PD that was done back in the 70s.
40:19As Alex pointed out on the other side of the street is uh the burger box with the Pecan Plaza kind of nestled in behind it, uh, which is all retail again, more CC.
40:32Um and then the other thing that I wanted to point out, which didn't really quite make it.
40:38The closest resident uh would be uh this nestling of duplexes off of Mirabelle.
40:46That's about 1800 feet away.
40:50And I will give it now to Tom S, the owner of Johnson Creek Properties LP.
40:57Remember to state your name in your city.
41:00Hello, my name's Tom Mast.
41:01Uh, I'm the owner of the property and I live in Fort Worth, Texas.
41:05Uh I'd like to bring up a couple things.
41:08Uh one, I think as David's kind of stated, that neighborhood were kind of appropriate for that neighborhood and what's in there local to us right away.
41:17Uh also I'd like to state that uh so some of these businesses that we're talking about, the rap business, the PDR business, these uh internet customization of cars, all those businesses didn't really exist back in the day.
41:35These are kind of the new tech businesses, and I don't think they're given a fair shake as far as allowing uh these businesses to be in community commercial.
41:48We're not asking that they're in community commercial, but I think I'm just saying that these businesses are super clean and uh they kind of deserve to be in that neighborhood that's in CC, but we are asking for the PD.
42:04Then my other comment is that uh sorry, I'm gonna written down.
42:12Uh I think the city feels that the way to identify this property is auto garage major with these limited to uh automotive aesthetic work.
42:27And I feel this is kind of unfairly representing the property because uh I'm afraid that that word major just freaks people out, right?
42:38So uh there's uh also another uh use uh in commercial, and it's called automotive service center.
42:48It's those are the two main ones auto garage major and automotive service center.
42:52So I was gonna read through what automotive service center is, but it's it's it allows you to work on cars.
43:02I have it written here, I'm not gonna, I'm just gonna paraphrase it.
43:04It allows you to work on vehicles uh under 10,000 pounds, it allows you to do maintenance on them, services, uh it allows you to do everything like that, everything but what is listed specifically in the use auto repair garage major.
43:21So in that specific, Alex had it up in that use auto repair garage major.
43:27There are four specific uses.
43:31One's reconditioning, one's collision services.
43:35Now we are asking for PDR work, which is uh dent and ding, it's pentless, paintless dent repair, it's how you massage out dents.
43:46We really don't feel like it's collision related, it's more aesthetic related.
43:52They also have the one Alex mentioned, which is overall painting of vehicles, and then the last one is dismantling of motor vehicles.
44:02And uh I'm not sure why the city has classified PDR work into automotive major, but they have.
44:11So that's why they feel like they need to identify this as auto major with limitations.
44:18But if I read the dismantling section, the only thing I see in there is you can't dismantle, but we're not dismantling, we're disassembling some stuff.
44:28We're taking off a mirror or a bumper or something that when we do this wrap work, or if they do PDR work, or if we're putting a wheel on a car.
44:36So if I look up the word dismantling in the Webster's dictionary, because it is not defined in the UDC, uh, it says to uh dismantling the Webster is defined as to take two pieces.
44:51So that's what the word dismantling means in Webster's dictionary.
44:54Then if I look up two pieces, it says completely.
44:58So you know you've got about 36.
45:01Okay, we are not taking a park completely.
45:03We're not reconditioning, we're not doing collision repair, we're not painting the overall thing, and we're not dismantling completely.
45:11So we don't deserve the maniker moniker auto major.
45:16So I would request that we use the term C C with auto service center than with those limitations that we ask for.
45:29Well I will um I just think it would be the city council will be more agreeable to it.
45:37I think everybody would be more agreeable if those words were used.
45:42What you've pointed out is something we actually talked about upstairs.
45:45Uh amendments to our unified development code.
45:49And your the very beginning of your comment was was the most impactful.
45:54The white technology has been advancing in every aspect of our lives.
45:59You are describing a service that isn't what I would consider major automotive repair.
46:06It's sort of cosmetic.
46:08Yeah, so you have to disassemble.
46:10The problem we have is that today, tonight, the only thing we can work with is what we have on our books.
46:17So our UDC, even though it may not be uh, even though it is outdated for this particular thing tonight, you really don't want to change your request because if you ask to change your request, this process stops and you don't get a vote tonight.
46:33So that and that's that's the warning I want to give you.
46:37I agree with you in just about almost everything you said, uh, and I can understand your frustration.
46:43But tonight we have to work with what we got.
46:46And so I can tell you, I'm looking at this in a very favorable way.
46:50I'm speaking for myself now, not for the commissioners as a whole, but myself personally.
46:54I like this project.
46:56We're going to talk about some other stuff in a little bit.
46:59Because it's a I looked at those pictures and went, wow, I didn't know you could do that to a car.
47:06And I think it's a great product.
47:09Uh and it's fast, it's easy, uh, or relatively fast.
47:12Well, there's some other questions you're going to get a little a little later on.
47:15But you don't want to change your request tonight, sir.
47:19Let us get past this.
47:22Let's hopefully you'll get a positive vote and you'll get to do what you want to do.
47:27And then I want staff to take notes.
47:30We really do need to look at the UDC and change what we're doing.
47:36Uh I don't know when we were going to do an amendment, but we need to look at what the definition of auto major repair is and look at the new definition of automotive service area of automotive service.
47:48What does that really mean in today's world with the services that that are available?
47:53And so you brought up a really great point, and I thank you for that.
47:58But please don't say you want to do something different because you won't get a vote tonight.
48:04I think those some of these services that didn't even exist when this code book was written are now available and assets to the community.
48:14Any other questions of this particular person or any of the others that have been up here?
48:18Oh, we got a lot of questions.
48:20Let's start down on that end.
48:21Uh, Commissioner Sumter.
48:23And you may you guys may want to come up here just in case you've got a better answer, just to save some time.
48:28Yeah, thank you for your presentation and thank you for bringing your business to Arlington.
48:32I think it looks awesome.
48:34Got me thinking of wow, I can bring my vehicles to you.
48:37Um in the staff report, there's one staff consideration in regards to the removing the polls, which we've heard you're amenable to doing that.
48:46I can remove the poll signs.
48:48What's your take on adding the landscaping along Cooper Street?
48:52Well, we're concerned that the landscaping, the grass that's there is in the text dot right away.
48:58Uh I'm willing to do something with the landscaping.
49:02Uh I think uh uh Mr.
49:04Blake recommended doing some like cactus or something.
49:07We don't have water there currently, uh, which would we just repave the parking lot.
49:14Uh I would hate to have to put uh tear the parking lot up.
49:19Um I'm I'm willing to do something, uh, but uh you know I'd like it, it'd be a lot easier if I didn't have to uh put uh irrigation there.
49:33Uh we could do like rocks or some boulders or something, or uh some uh plants that don't require a lot of irrigation.
49:41Yeah, because I agree with you, the the paving looks great, right?
49:45And it's the area painted to then restriped, but there's kind of some odd spaces to where you really can't park, right?
49:54Right there in the front.
49:56At least based on the aerial I've seen.
50:00So data is uh we were told that the landscape required if you had nose in parking, whatever that means.
50:08Now I think nose in parking means parking nose in on Cooper Street.
50:13That lot before we restriped had nose in parking.
50:17It now no longer has any nose in parking.
50:19We remove that from the lot in an attempt to get around the screening issue.
50:26Uh, but I can't remember the code book exactly if that did relieve that problem or not, David.
50:32Because it does not noise any longer.
50:34Okay, so I think we might have solved also the landscaping requirement by eliminating no.
50:41Let me let me let me interject here uh because there's something that you don't know.
50:46Um and that's why we're gonna we're gonna push.
50:49We're gonna push you really hard on it.
50:51This landscaping issue.
50:53That I've lived here since 1971.
50:56I grew up in Fort Worth, but that road, that particular section of Cooper has been divided up into three or four subsections.
51:05And we now have this long-term plan.
51:06It's called the Cooper Master Plan, and you are in that Cooper Master Plan.
51:11And that's why you saw in the presentation some of the things that were there.
51:15We want your business number one to be successful, but number two, we want you to add to the change in the visible atmosphere of that corridor.
51:27We're asking you in a planned development.
51:30This body and city council both have both in this city both have the ability to push you to do more than you had originally planned because we want it to look good and because we have that leverage to be quite blunt.
51:44That's what I'm asking for.
51:46What we're gonna hear.
51:47We really want that landscaping.
51:50We can be creative, we can you can minimize the cost, but we don't want you to leave it alone.
51:58Uh Commissioner Commissioner Scepter, were you through?
52:02Uh Commissioner Carter.
52:04So uh again, like uh Dr.
52:06Nunez, I really like the the business model.
52:10It's uh I think it's a very needed uh thing that you're gonna have good success with, and it's I think it fits the neighborhood really well there because I was auction I was actually on the Cooper Street corridor study a couple years ago, and I I liked it.
52:22I like this kind of stuff.
52:24Um but I'm confused on the who are you gonna be leasing both suites of the building?
52:29No, it's just the one on the left.
52:30Just one side, the one on the left.
52:32So you as the building owner, what do you you'll so you'll be marketing the the south the north suite to another possible tenant?
52:43Yeah, we already have a guy on, yeah, obviously.
52:45And that's the paintless dent re is that uh we do have a guy he's not in that he he meets the CC use.
52:53So uh you're you're are you Alex, right?
52:57No, my name is Hajar Hajar Sendy.
53:00Um you do uh paintless dent repair also.
53:05I don't, I just do vinyl reps.
53:07Where did the okay, where did the paintless dent repair come into?
53:10When we ask for this PD request.
53:15Of course, this is for a long-term uh request, right?
53:19We're not just asking it for one individual business or just that one individual unit.
53:25So we feel like this is uh an acceptable use for this community in this area.
53:33So we're gonna ask for what we can get.
53:36We feel like the PDR business is very similar, very clean.
53:40Uh automotive upholstery business, very similar, very clean.
53:44Uh the electronics business, very similar, very clean.
53:48What what was the other ones where not PDR for sure?
53:51I believe that you're that uh some uses very suitable, but the I think the PDR business is a is its whole unique animal on its own.
54:06I mean, it's just pretty invasive body work that gets done to a car with lots of tools and lots of noise and will you be altering the the back end of the property to to move the cars in, or where's is there already a drive?
54:20Both units have overhead doors in the back already.
54:25Okay, so someone clarify from what is PDR?
54:27Paintless dent repair.
54:30Yeah, I don't have to do that.
54:31Before they basically massage out the dents instead of having to do extensive body work to a car.
54:47Uh I don't know if it's big enough to get a car in, but there is an existing door there too.
54:51But where they're planning to use uh the door in the back of the property, the overhead existing overhead door that's in the back of the property.
55:09Okay, so the um so uh my deal is uh maybe this is a question for staff is uh the vinyl wrap business.
55:19Uh I wish you the best on that.
55:21I think it's gonna work.
55:22I think it's gonna be a clean business for that street, it's gonna brighten it up.
55:26Um, but I think if we go in with the PDR stuff, it's gonna be just another look like another body shop.
55:32A lot of times the PDR places they're very mobile looking anyways.
55:36Uh they you know, they kind of like follow the hill storms and so I'd uh you know, after a hill storm, there could be cars lined up and down the street for to enter the parking lot there.
55:49I think maybe that's why PDR has a different status in the UDC for the because it is it is a different, it is it is different from your from by you know your wrapping business.
56:01Um the PDR business could affect his wrapping business.
56:05It could affect his ability to have his customers park to stop by and to check on it.
56:10He he's gonna want walk-in customers.
56:13So but so that's maybe what we're what my question is for staff is how does this one PD affect both suites?
56:22If we're so we're basically giving both suites the ability to do uh these other more invasive types of businesses.
56:30You wanna answer that?
56:32Yes, the PD lists the uses and the prohibited uses is what we're proposing.
56:38Yeah, and it could be two paintless dent repair, it could be two car wraps, not that they locate next to each other, but it it encompasses the whole lot.
56:48It could be two automobiles.
56:50Or it could just be trucks or one, they might eliminate one suite and become one whole business, take up the whole building.
56:58And we really don't want a PD that are so restrictive that it only allows one use.
57:04We want to have some flexibility.
57:07We feel those businesses we've got uh those businesses in our business park already in the back, and they they are a different breed from the body shop that you see, they are significantly different.
57:22They don't sand, they don't paint, they really don't take anything apart.
57:29And uh, you know, granted all the body shops get more business after a hail storm, that's for sure.
57:36But you know, we have restrictions on the parking, and we're willing to abide by those rules.
57:46Commissioner Winkles.
57:50So first and foremost, um, I love what you've done at Jay-Z Wraps and Doward and Gardens.
57:55I frequent the guest park a lot, and it's very well maintained, and your property is always clean.
58:01And that says a lot about your tenant relationship with the owners there.
58:06Um, which brings me to my question.
58:08So the building that you own right now currently has been vacant for a while, and as a constituent of the South Street Corridor, South Cooper Street Corridor, I drive past that twice a day guaranteed, because my house is just south of there.
58:24Um the parking lot has become truly a sales lot on Saturdays and Sundays.
58:31Not since you've paved it.
58:36People park their cars for sale.
58:39So that is something that concerns all of the people on this commission.
58:45Is that is that going to be addressed?
58:48Are you going to put parking for business only?
58:50Are you gonna enforce it?
58:52How are you gonna what kind of guidelines do you have to do that?
58:56Number two, do you own the complex behind you as well?
58:59No, because that is truly commercial, and there's tons of light industrial car, there's car repair shops going on back there, and I have a feeling a lot of the cars in your lot on the weekends come from their lots.
59:11So that would be my second thing.
59:13Um I understand the full aspect of wrapping a vehicle and how it works.
59:18It is by appointment only.
59:19You miss your appointment, you pay for a missed appointment, just like you do at the doctor's office, it's very specific because y'all make your money that way.
59:27PR is very much the same way nowadays.
59:30It used to not be in it very much as that way by a good PDR person.
59:34So I appreciate the concept.
59:36The second question that I have for you is what do you plan on doing to the exterior of the building?
59:42Uh we've repainted uh the awning now.
59:46So we just recently repainted the awning.
59:48Of course, we repaved, we restriped, we put in curb stops.
59:53We've uh up to the extent we can, we've uh renovated the inside.
1:00:00Actually, the Kelly Moore half was in really good shape.
1:00:03They had just done a renovation on it before they moved out.
1:00:06Uh, but we've cleaned that up, and then we've also cleaned up the furniture mart.
1:00:10Uh the signage is gonna be replaced on the front of the building.
1:00:15The the furniture mart sign is already down, and the Kelly Moore sign, I think they're gonna change the inserts in it is the plan if and when they get in.
1:00:24Uh, you know, if I absolutely had to do something else, uh possibly a facade, a better facade or something like that, we could do that.
1:00:32But we have put gutters up now, so there's gutters up over the awning, so they before it would just drip rain down through the awning.
1:00:40We've uh installed lights under the awning now.
1:00:44Uh they're not on because we don't have power, and we've also uh installed uh light packs on the exterior of the building to like those are some cosmetic things that are gonna benefit the property and the aesthetics of that parking lot, or excuse me, that lot on South Cooper, and hopefully we'll encourage your neighbors to the south of you to improve their aesthetics as well because we file a lot of code compliance with them.
1:01:09Yeah, and we could work with them too.
1:01:11That that would lead into where you could tie in some of that.
1:01:14I mean, you you're right, you do have the tech stock buffer where there's this little strip of grass that doesn't survive because there's no water.
1:01:23However, maybe you could turf it, maybe you could add some planner boxes out of stone along there that you can car change out through the seasons.
1:01:34It's not expensive project, but it would add some aesthetically pleasing entrance to that shopping center that you're developing here for cars.
1:01:43That's a great idea.
1:01:44Yeah, that's our just a few things and some planners along the outside of the building on the sidewalk.
1:01:51No, you don't have front basement parking, but you do right there by the building.
1:01:54And I think that once you improve improve those aspects of the parking lot and create a this is a shopping center that we don't want you parking your cars here to sell on the weekends, some of that will change too.
1:02:06So I think you for what you're bringing.
1:02:08I think it is an improved project.
1:02:11I I think that's probably the problem.
1:02:13I mean, I'm I'm not aware of cars being put up for sale in that parking lot.
1:02:19So I I'm not aware of that, so I haven't noticed that yet.
1:02:21But once the tenants are in there, they they will know it and they'll let us know, and those cars will be towed.
1:02:30Commissioner Blank.
1:02:31So don't get any ideas, you can't charge rent for the cars up front for sale.
1:02:36Um and I'll apologize to you before I say this because you know, by you improving that facade and putting in some landscaping and things like that, you know, hopefully you'll be able to start increasing your rent.
1:02:52Not on him, but the next guy that comes in.
1:02:54You can increase the rent there.
1:02:56But it's gonna make all the people around you start having to up their game a little bit to keep their tenants, and that's the whole purpose of moving forward with this.
1:03:06That's why we want you to put something out there.
1:03:08And I don't think I told you to put cactus, but I'd be okay with that.
1:03:13If it was okay with I like the idea of a carpet.
1:03:19If it's okay with the UDC, I'm even amenable to a nice rock sculpture or something like that out there.
1:03:25And if I hadn't just repaved, I probably would have been up for putting a water line out there.
1:03:30Well, I don't want to make you do that, but I want you to commit to making sure that you work with the staff to have some sort of boundary there that looks good.
1:03:38As well as doing some sort of like a repaint is and certainly doing a little bit of additional facing on that.
1:03:45Do where it doesn't look like it's fresh out of the 70s with new paint.
1:03:48You know, everybody can put lipstick on a pig, how do we change it?
1:03:52But the the other thing that I want to make sure of, because you have all those windows there.
1:03:57I don't want to drive by and see a bunch of signage plastered in those windows.
1:04:02I really want to see something that's professional.
1:04:05I know you may have some sort of thing in inside that shows something, but I hate driving by these little stores and things like that that put special going out of business, all that all that mess.
1:04:16It just looks tacky.
1:04:17And I want Arlington to look better.
1:04:20And I think your idea is great.
1:04:23So make those those concessions, and I think we're good.
1:04:29Commissioner Ware.
1:04:37I can usually show up.
1:04:44Um we definitely want you here.
1:04:46Uh I think everybody's pretty much covered anything I could possibly say.
1:04:53Uh so uh I hope that you will agree to do the landscaping as as well as we can do it uh for the city to to make that look really nice.
1:05:06Again, we are trying to make that a much uh more welcoming corridor there.
1:05:12We you know, I own uh several properties in that area, and I was telling Mr.
1:05:17Blake that when we have a full-time maintenance man that's very productive, and my one order to him is you know, every time you do a job, you know, when you leave, make it a little better.
1:05:32You know, don't just fix stuff, try to make it better, and he's really passionate about that, and we always leave things looking nicer than it did when we got there, and we pick up trash religiously.
1:05:46Uh, you know, we're we're as concerned about that neighborhood.
1:05:51We've repainted buildings over there, you know.
1:05:55We we do MO religiously, so we try to uh we try to work uh to try to make that neighborhood look good, that street look good.
1:06:07Well any other questions, comments?
1:06:13Um before we uh is there anyone else here that want that wants to speak in uh uh on this particular uh case that's in favor of it?
1:06:26Okay, let me read a few names here.
1:06:28Andrew Mast, you are in support.
1:06:30Where are you, Andrew?
1:06:34Uh I have uh Zara Cindy, that's you.
1:06:38All right, Tom Mast.
1:06:41That's you, and Judy Mast.
1:06:44That's you, you're in support.
1:06:47Uh with that, thank you.
1:06:49Uh is there anyone anyone here who wants to speak in opposition?
1:06:56Saying none, I'm gonna close.
1:06:58Uh wait a minute, before I do that, does do any of the commissioners have any other questions of the applicant or questions of staff?
1:07:09Let's see if I get lucky.
1:07:12At this time, I'm going to close the uh public hearing and ask for a motion.
1:07:17I have a motion to approve by Commissioner Winkles.
1:07:19Commissioner Winkles.
1:07:24Uh Commissioner Carter, please ask your question.
1:07:29Um Do I need to reopen the public session?
1:07:31No, no, it's it's for you and staff.
1:07:35So we're this motion possibly is gonna be uh what are the what are the allowed uses that we're gonna give this location this PD?
1:07:45Um they're on that slide, and if you if you have it let Alex repeat that for you um so proposed uses would include vinyl wrapping, upholstery, paintless dent repair, custom wheels, window tinting, and audio installation.
1:08:08Anything else, Commissioner Carter?
1:08:12Commissioner Winkles, would you please state sorry?
1:08:17I just I just heard custom wheels, so I just will make sure you can't change a tire out in the middle of the parking lot.
1:08:25No, no, I think it would potentially sales, but no work would be able to be done outside.
1:08:34Nothing can be allowed outside, correct?
1:08:37Yeah, it all has to be done inside inside the building.
1:08:41With that, let me try again.
1:08:44Commissioner Winkles, would you state your motion?
1:08:46Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve PD 2519 at 2504 South Cooper Street.
1:08:53Forum, a CC plan development to community commercial uses, plus auto repair major limited to aesthetic and customization work.
1:09:05With the addition of some landscape.
1:09:10Amenities to be provided.
1:09:12And the removal of the poll signs.
1:09:15Please remove your poll signs.
1:09:18Additional work on that facility.
1:09:21And when an additional work on the facade to make it look amazing.
1:09:25Some cosmetic upgrades to the exterior of your property, please.
1:09:28That's a good way to word it.
1:09:31Commissioner Sumter, is that your second?
1:09:45Motion passes seven to nothing.
1:09:48We look forward to your business here.
1:09:52Thank you for bringing that topic up about the automotive technology.
1:09:56We really need to look at our definitions, and that is going to be a future agenda item for us to change uh how we how we describe those.
1:10:03Thank you very much for your business.
1:10:06Finally, on our agenda last item on the agenda tonight.
1:10:16This is an application for approval of a specific use permit for a secondary living unit on a property zone, residential single family 7.2.
1:10:26At this time, if staff would please present its report.
1:10:29Good evening, Commissioners.
1:10:30For the record, Cecilia Nelson, Senior Planner, Planning and Development Services.
1:10:34Here to present SUP 25-8.
1:10:38The subject site is approximately 0.851 acres and addressed as 3409 Shorewood Court.
1:10:45The property is zoned residential single family 7.2.
1:10:50The property is generally located north of Shorewood Drive and west of Perkins Road.
1:10:56All surrounding parcels are zoned residential single family 7.2 and developed with single family homes.
1:11:12The setbacks exceed the minimum required.
1:11:34Staff is available for any questions.
1:11:37Are there any questions of staff at this time?
1:11:43At this time, I'll open up the uh public session and call for the first speaker.
1:11:46So if the applicant would please come forward and present your case.
1:11:55I'm just ready to go home, as I'm sure you guys are as well.
1:12:01Miranda Lamb, uh Arlington.
1:12:04And it is what it looks like.
1:12:06Um my dad is retired, would like to downsize, be near the family.
1:12:11Um so he would love to build this with proceeds from the cell of his home.
1:12:17Um future considerations.
1:12:19My brother, you can see in the photo and presentation, has special needs.
1:12:23So down the road when my dad no longer resides in the unit.
1:12:27We plan to have my brother move in.
1:12:29He currently lives with my mom.
1:12:31Um that's really it in a nutshell.
1:12:35We've got a growing family, so we have two daughters, and we're in the process of adopting, so building a separate unit is preferable versus uh an addition to the home questions.
1:12:55Is there anyone else here that would like to speak in favor?
1:12:59Uh I have Jeff Carey.
1:13:03Uh you're uh you're here.
1:13:05Uh it says here you're in support as a speaker.
1:13:09Did you want to say anything?
1:13:10Uh only if needed.
1:13:11If you do, you do do need to do it on the microphone so we can record you.
1:13:14Otherwise, you're good.
1:13:19Uh is there anyone here that is uh opposed.
1:13:26Any final comments?
1:13:29Thank you for your time.
1:13:33I think the last two or three of these that have come up, I voted against them.
1:13:37Umly, I see a lot that looks like it can accommodate it.
1:13:50At this time, I'll close the public session.
1:13:56Is there any uh is there a motion?
1:14:00I have a motion by Commissioner Ware.
1:14:02I have a second by Commissioner Finley.
1:14:04Commissioner Ware, would you please state your motion?
1:14:08I'd like to move for the approval of SUP 25-8, 3409 Shorewood Court for the approval of a specific use permit for a secondary living unit on the property zone residential single family 7.2.
1:14:24Commissioner Finley, is that your second?
1:14:36Motion passed seven to nothing.
1:14:39You can go ahead and get going once you've finished once you do everything staff tells you to do.
1:15:00Oh, is that right?
1:15:06I thought you wanted back because I was like, wow, I didn't know I was in the wind, but that's awesome.
1:15:09No, no, but I was I was telling you to sit up here.
1:15:16Oh, yeah, excuse me.
1:15:17Are there any other reports from any commissions or any announcements?
1:15:24With that, uh let me remind all of us that we uh meet again.
1:15:30When do we meet again?
1:15:32I'm already putting it.
1:15:35And this uh public session of the Planning Zonic Commission is hereby adjourned.
1:15:39Thank you very much.