And I'd like to right now call this meeting to order.

This is a special call session.

It's Tuesday, September the 26th, 2025.

At this time, can I get the um clerk to um call the role, please?

Taylor, link, here, right, President Fisher.

Here.

Johnson.

Here.

Carl Pepper.

Here.

Myers.

Here.

Thornton.

Here.

Handy.

We have a quorum.

Thank you, Melon Cloric.

Because it is a special call meeting.

The purpose of this meeting items listed below.

Public input.

If you wish to address the mayor commission on any items listed below on this agenda, please go to the poll and state your name and address.

Rules of the Commission state that members of the public may speak once during the following portion of the agenda up to three minutes with a 30-second reminder at two and a half minutes.

And tonight we will be discussing our old business.

And item number one will be sanitary Sanford Stadium Sanitary Sewer Interceptor Improvement Project.

Memoranda of Understanding.

And this is the request reports.

The mayor commission approved this memorandum of understanding within the University of Georgia Afletic Associate Association regarding construction of Stanford State of Phase 2 Sanitary Sewer Project.

So do we have any members from the public that like to comment on this particular item?

Any commissioners like to comment.

Because we have already taken care of A and C previously.

So I make a motion we approve.

Okay.

Second.

Okay.

It was motion by Commissioner Wright, second by Commissioner Myers.

All in favor?

Aye.

And opposed.

Before we adjourn this um special call meeting, I would like to um enter executive session for discussion on real estate acquisition or disposal of that session will be held upon adjournment of our agenda city session.

Can I give the motion to adjourn?

So move.

Second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Now at this time, we will go ahead and get into our agenda sitting um session for tonight.

If after um 815, we have not conducted our business, we will take a 15-minute break.

And as always, I would like to read this civility pledge.

The way we govern ourselves is often as important as the position we take.

Our collective decision will be better when different views have had the opportunity to be fully vetted and considered.

All people have the right to be treated with respect, courtesy, and openness.

We value all input.

We commit to conduct ourselves at all time with civility and courtesy to each other.

At this time, item A.

If you wish to address the mayor commission on any item listed below on the consent agenda, please go to the poll and state your name and address.

Rules of the commission state that members of the public may speak once during the following portion of the agenda for up to three minutes for a 30-second reminder at two and a half minutes.

All I have to ask any commissioners, but they would like to remove any item from the consent agenda.

Items one through 12.

I'm going to remove item number eight.

I just want some clarification.

Okay.

Item number eight.

And item seven.

Item seven.

Commissioner Myers item seven.

Yes.

Any other commissioner like to move any other items?

So items eight and seven will be um removed for the time being.

We will come back to those after we um go through um other agenda items.

I asked for the public input on any remaining consent items.

If no item is removed, ask for input public input on all agenda settings.

So do we have any public that would like to make comment on items one, two, three, four, five, six, nine, ten, eleven, and twelve.

Okay.

So at this time, uh, we'll start with um agenda item number one.

Adopt the ordinance for recreation trails, grant for Southeastern Park.

So since it's on consent, we can just jump on to the other stuff for public.

Or the ones pulled off, right?

Yes, but public comment first, right?

So since those are um those two items have been pulled off, we'll go ahead and um do public consent on items 17 through 30.

We have any comments on items 17 through 30.

I know we got to do planning.

Okay, 630 today.

Do we go through the public the planning items first before we get to the public comment on the on planning?

Yeah, yeah, we changed it.

Yeah, we rechange we got the public the planning item.

Yeah, we did, yeah, we did change.

So we're not gonna get through quite a bit.

Okay, so um if I can get um I'd be glad to quit 13.

Come up, please, and I'll think I need to come down.

So for our um for our plan department, we have items um, let me get to that.

13 through 16 for plan, we got items um 13, 14, 15, and 16 for our planning department.

And I'm gonna come down three number one to send it.

This is the current cameras.

We're supposed to last three years.

I am let's see if the uh projector wants to talk to the laptop.

There we go.

All right, yes, sir.

I'm ready.

So our first item is um item number 13 request of William C.

Dill, Thompson O'Brien, Kelly, and Nasha PC owners for rezoning from AR to E1 on 23 acres known as O Elberton Road, pro use is industrial.

This would require an amendment to the future land use from rural to employment center.

All right, thank you.

And while I get started here, I may ask uh for some support in getting the screen a little bit further down.

This may cut off some of the images that I want to show you tonight.

There we go.

Thank you.

So all of the items, all four items that I'm going to present to you tonight were heard by the planning commission on September 4th at their voting session.

The first one is for zero Elberton Road.

The request is coming to you from the owner with an applicant acting on their behalf.

There's two parts to this request.

There are two parts.

One is a future land use change from the current rural designation to employment center.

Purpose of that request is to enable the rezone request from agricultural residential to employment industrial EI.

The concept that they've submitted.

Now, this is a straight rezone request, but the concept that they have submitted is for two million plus square feet of future industrial use to be arranged in four buildings on the subject property, which is around 233 acres in size.

So we're going to orient you to the location of this request.

This is an aerial view that it that is largely representative of what the property looks like today.

This is from a few years ago, 2021.

In the lower left hand corner of the area, you will see Coyle Middle School.

So that's the closest structural landmark to draw your attention to.

This shows you some of the environmentally sensitive areas on the land.

Not a lot, but there are some.

We have some creek bottoms, we have some uh wetland as well as some floodplain.

The future land use currently, as I noted, is rural, and the request is go to employment.

In this view, you'll notice that employment future land use is already on the northwest side of Old Elberton in this section.

Um Old Elberton is a bit of a fall line.

Um so that line, as you see in this image, is pretty consistent all the way back to Athena.

And that's largely because of the ability for sewer service to happen on that side of the ridgeline.

On the subject property side of the ridge line, it is some distance from sewer, and it's also working against grade to be able to make that connection.

The area in light blue on this map is Coil Middle School.

So the rezone request is to go from agricultural residential to employment industrial.

That's what's depicted here on the screen.

Um then this is a view along Old Elberton Road looking into the subject property.

This is the concept plan that was submitted, and you can see those four buildings arranged in between the environmentally sensitive areas.

Again, this is just a concept.

This has not been anything, any kind of environmental or um engineering assessment at this stage of the game.

Planning commission recommendation.

Um, based on the fact that the subject property is rural in nature, adjacent to a middle school in a low-intensity rural residential area, as well as not served by sanitary sewer, and also is downhill from the closest possible sanitary sewer connection.

Um there were some concerns about the availability of making this an industrial use without that infrastructure connection and with the um adjacent land use.

Uh, it is separated from the Athena Industrial Park, and that street frontage is on a rural two-lane road section that has limited connections and is also predominantly used by residential passenger vehicles.

Um Planning Commission also found that the request is incompatible with the 2023 comprehensive plan, the future land use map, as well as the zoning map.

So regarding future land use, they are recommending denial.

Regarding the rezone request, they are also recommending denial.

And that ends the staff report.

Thank you.

Do we have any um public comment on item number 13?

Good evening.

Uh council.

My name is William Deal.

I'm in the app the applicant representative uh for this particular project.

Um as staff has discussed the project.

We are looking at uh an industrial project here that is adjacent to a lot of kind of the industrial growth that the county has invested in, particularly the Athena Industrial Park.

Um this particular parcel may be familiar to some of you in council.

Uh this came before council maybe about two or three years ago for a residential rezoning.

And we were when we were presenting that project, uh, a lot of a lot of the questions that came up is this is an industrial area.

Uh there is industrial precedent.

Uh why are we looking at an at a residential product here in this area?

Uh given the given the industrial investment that in fact the county has made is largely industrial development authority uh across the across our ton road.

Um and so as we come across, of course that is true.

There are there are industrial uses that are expanding and that have grown in the particular area, and uh this has kind of been the next step in my clients uh kind of uh odyssey to find a feasible and economic use of the property.

And so we've been looking at industrial projects, uh certainly been been uh receptive or or or understanding of some of the concerns here, particularly the environmental concerns.

One of the benefits of an industrial project here is that we can we can protect uh kind of the the wooded areas that already exist naturally uh on this property, focus the development uh on those areas where we already have open fields and avoid a lot of the stream buffers uh and and the the wet the wetlands and in the lakes that you see uh on the site plan.

So that has been been intentional, it's a benefit that we do have to the project.

One of the proposed conditions that we've had here, uh we've been trying to address the the concern of uh the impact that we would have on on adjoining properties uh in the infrastructure that that is there.

I will say first of all that we will expand sewer, and that will be a pump station that my client will uh incur the cost for to pump uh sewer over to the middle schools.

If sewer does exist on the middle school, of course, uh and we would have pump stations that would be available to get any any kind of uh uh wastewater over to that area.

Um specifically to to the infrastructure needs, what the condition that we've proffered is that we would limit the uses in this industrial area to level one uses.

Level one uses already uh have a built-in kind of restriction on the intensity of our use.

So your ordinance already gives uh some limitations on the amount of traffic that we can generate, the amount of noise that can be generated, the types of wastewater and the in the volume of wastewater that would be there.

Um so this is our project.

Uh, we're certainly uh happy to answer any questions as we work through this and and and approach the public hearing.

Um and and I'm happy to answer any questions tonight or or then.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Any uh comment from the um public item number 13 okay.

If not, this is um Commissioner Taylor's district and uh she's not here um any comment from the commissioners.

Yes, Commissioner Wright.

Um I I think it was presented pretty straightforward, but I I do have a question.

If you would go back, oh it'll show up here.

See that little triangle that bumps in at the top, and then it looks like half of one over here.

Is there a significant thing there that that is why do you know?

Honestly, I'll have to look into that as to why that might be.

You just follow up with an email to us because it's it it almost looks like it's maybe a significant right-of-way um something or another.

Yeah, sometimes those are cemeteries, um sometimes those are kind of carryover lot lines from a states.

Um but yeah, happy to look into that and I'll send information out.

Um and then to the feasibility of the pump station to get to the coil um hookup.

Was did staff have any have any comments to go with that idea?

So there wasn't any and again, there was no engineering at this stage of the game.

Um that would be something that public utilities would have to evaluate and and come into an understanding to make sure that it's engineered the feasible engineering is there and that we could enter into the necessary contracts to make sure something like that could work.

But we weren't that wasn't part of the analysis the public utilities was requested.

Right, and again, and it's one of those things, if I'm understanding it's the applicant's choice to come in with those details or to not come in with those details.

Is that right?

I mean it's it's an either-or that's right scenario.

That's right.

Okay.

And and depending on the type of development here, um, you know, this is certainly showing a lot of square footage, but if you have large buildings that don't have a lot of activity, it is possible they are on a septic system.

So it wasn't a given right that the sanitary sewer connection would be made, but something of this intensity it was probable that it would be necessary.

They just want the rezoning first.

That's right.

And then the marketing would happen.

Correct.

And then with the newer septic um options that are available, it could match up depending on what we'd have to figure that out as well.

If it was a solar panel farm, maybe not so much, needed.

Correct.

Something like that.

Fewer people.

Yeah.

Fewer flushes.

Okay.

Thank you.

Commissioner Davenport.

Yes.

I wish I could buy this property so the owner could be happy.

So like industry and wetlands seem to like don't mix with me well.

Um two million square foot, and this plan is not binding.

I do have a serious question about that.

Um looking at the water line and the sewer line.

Um the sewer line mainly connects to the front uh with Coil Middle School.

Um with that slope of that the topography here, I I understand that there will probably possibly need to be a sewer, I mean a pump station, but how will pump station work going across like let's say this was the the site plan?

How would a pump station work if it's going across wetlands?

Like what are the legalities or what's the rationale for building a a sewer line across wetland?

Is that possible feasible?

Can we do that?

So yes, it can be done.

There's regulatory reviews that are involved in making sure that that can be done properly.

Um maybe this view might be better because it shows, let's see, we'll get to where we can see the school there.

Well, okay.

Yeah, we can go back to that.

Um you know, sewage to some extent needs to be collected using topography.

Topography on this site tends to fall away towards the north to those creek bottoms.

So to make a connection to the public sewer, which does end at the school, but does not make it all the way to the shared property line.

I'm not really sure, and and planners should not play engineering, but um there may be some significant challenges to cross that much acreage to get to a lift station that is in proximity to Taion, and those things just haven't been studied at this point.

Another um so this property, and if I have it correctly, if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Um just send us an email that it is almost um one side slopes towards the east and one side slopes to the west.

The topper is the topper, the top end um slopes differently from the lower end.

So if you put up a pump station where would that go on the ridge line in the middle?

Okay, but I know that's these are all the questions, right?

Plus also the area next door to it is zoned EI already.

Um, and if you go back to the satellite map or the road map, it's pretty pristine on that side.

Um pretty pristine on this side.

So two million square foot buildings total will be a dramatic increase of density and landscape for for this area.

That's all commissioner Lee.

Yeah, um, there's no attempt at a binding site plan for this correct and that's not part of the request, right?

And and no indication of what specific industry they would look.

I mean, the the two million square feet is basically the limit of square footage they've offered, or is that what is goes along with the zoning would allow?

That is a concept, so they wouldn't necessarily be bound to that.

That's just showing a general arrangement, but you you may want to ask the applicant.

What would the zoning allow as far as square footage of of buildings on this lot in that requested category?

So one of the things to be aware of is the employment industrial zoning allows for 85% lot coverage, um, so regulations stipulate you cannot build in riparian buffers or in floodplain or in wetlands, but the areas outside of those would be open for development, and 85% is that maximum, whereas AR, the zoning um has a maximum law coverage of 10%.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Major.

Yeah, and uh hopefully I'm bringing up the right uh future land use map, future future land use map as being discussed, but if I am that is right now indicated as continuing to be a rural area, is that correct?

The the discussion we've had for the last couple years about this area is consistent with the current future land use map.

But what is it?

It's that's the same.

Yeah, what would yeah right?

Got it.

Thank you.

Any other comments from commissioners?

Let's see.

Okay.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh next item is item number 14.

Jennifer Howard, Boulevard Alma Hospital, all of the Douglas C.

Hanson Jr., Namzon Bell, Senior Trust for special use and CO on 0.97 acres, known as 600 Open Thor Avenue.

Proposed use has been there in a clinic type two.

All right.

So that is exactly what they're asking for is the opportunity at this location to convert what was formerly uh a dentistry practice into a veterinary clinic.

Um of the details in our use table for the commercial office zone is veterinary clinics are a special use request, and the reason for that is many come with kenneling, and the kenneling in these neighborhood areas is something that needs to be considered as a special use.

The thing that I would point out is the applicant has noted that they do not have kennels and they do not have dog runs as part of their operation.

However, it is still a veterinary clinic, and our code says it's a special use.

So having said that, um, this is an interior renovation.

They are proposing to make some cosmetic changes to the exterior of the building, working on a staff patio area that you'll see in a moment in the aerial view, and then um kind of enhancing the accessible entrance uh to the existing building.

There's also a variance that was needed and requested for the parking lot screening that's out there now.

That parking area was designed uh a good many years ago.

So with a change of use, we see opportunities for retrofit, and that's what the code calls for.

But here's an aerial view of 600 Oglethorpe Avenue.

The thing to understand about this also is if you've been out to this property, there are four office buildings stacked from Oglethorpe Avenue on the north side of Oaklethorpe Avenue, and they end at the medical sciences property.

And they all share the access and to a large extent, they share the parking, and that factored into staff review and planning commission's review of this request.

But this one sits closest to Oglethorpe, and the patio area is in that hollow uh in the center of the building.

Future land use does not need to change to accommodate the request.

It is mixed density residential.

Um zoning would not change, just simply the special use designation on the CO zone, should this be adopted.

Um here's a view from Oglethorpe Avenue, and you can see the signage for the previous tenants, but also the other tenants that occupy towards the rear of the property.

Some side views of the existing building, and a site plan, actually a survey that was provided to help depict existing conditions, and there you can kind of tell the way the lines for the parking, the striping kind of go off the lot.

That's because they're shared by the other businesses uh to the north.

Um this is a rendering provided by the applicant to show some of the renovations that they are asking to do.

And some images for what we have existing there.

Um you see the dumpster that's unenclosed, you see a parking area that that is needing additional striping.

Um we do have landscaping standards for parking lot trees and some buffering, and so there was a variance request about the buffering to help us resolve that issue.

Um that variance is to exempt them from the screening requirement between the parking lot and the adjacent RM zoned residential properties to either side.

Um the challenge for this one is the paving goes pretty much right up to the property line.

There's very little space for plantings that would be adequate to meet current code.

So we have five criteria for variances, and those were applied to this request.

And first, are there exceptional conditions?

Um staff's evaluation and planning commission concurred.

That parking has been in in its current state since 1978.

It is legal but non-conforming, um, and a retrofit is challenging.

The hardship, compliance with current code would create significant cost for that proposed office use, which is more or less a one-to-one change in many ways, and it would disrupt the function for the other offices that share that same parking area.

So the hardship kind of extends not just to the applicant but to the other people involved.

Exceptional conditions, were they created by the applicant?

No, they were not.

The benefits are they greater than the negative impacts of the proposal.

So the proposed use is really very similar to the existing office use.

The redesign of that existing parking area to meet code would in all likelihood produce a net reduction of parking in an area that it's a shared resource that seems out of balance and and may not be necessary if we have some other measures taken, and they've agreed to those.

We'll talk about that in a minute.

So is this the minimum amount to provide the relief?

We think it is, with the understanding that the applicant is offering to plant some climbing ornamentals on the fencing that's adjacent to the parking lot.

So planning commission recommended approval with the condition.

They found this to be compatible with the comp plan, future land use map, zoning map.

It satisfied the special use criteria as well as the variance criteria, but they did want to see some effort made to bring that parking lot reasonably up to code.

So that's this condition.

There were corrective actions that we noted in the staff report and that those would be part of the remedy for only the amount of parking that this office needs.

So we're not asking for a full redesign of the parking lot, but the smallest number of parking spaces that could be calculated for the veterinary office use.

That would generate the requirement for in all likelihood one additional parking lot tree, and then that screening to be planted on the fence that abuts the residential property.

And that concludes the staff report.

Thank you, Mr.

Lonnie.

There are any public comments on this particular item number 14.

Hearing none that is in my district.

No, go ahead.

You start.

I appreciate the fact that we're gonna vet veterinary clinic there.

I think we probably much needed to help those people that's around the area because I see a lot of people walking animals and dogs and stuff there, so I think is is well intended.

I have not I won't thought the ownership have not met them.

So uh but I think it's a good use that particular property um I will support it.

Commissioner Lee.

Yeah, um, this is my vet.

Okay.

Um and they're currently in my district on Boulevard, um, and they're in a teeny tiny little building with a teeny tiny little parking lot.

Um, so I can see why they want to, you know, move um into it'll definitely be um more convenient for them and for um I'm sure a lot of customers too who have trouble parking.

Um it seems totally reasonable.

So they're awesome.

Dr.

Jennifer is awesome.

You can ask my dog and my cats.

Commissioner Wright.

Um, yeah, Bridge, can you put the picture up that's got the uh the red line line around the building that it shows a part?

Yeah, this picture here.

So is that island where you do have a photograph of it?

Are you having them plant trees in there to cover one one large canopy tree is what we're talking about?

And then to go to the picture of the island, so it's really a tree island waiting for a tree.

Yeah, right there.

Well, it it had a tree.

Okay, so it's coming back.

And it recently was removed within I believe the last couple years.

Gotcha.

So it will be making a comeback.

And then are these the is this the fencing that they're gonna do planting on well so it looks like that goes to the Yeah?

So let's go it it does.

That's that's what's adjacent to multifamily on that side, and then on the opposite side, it's also adjacent.

So the discussion that we're having, so so where you were just looking is where the site makes kind of an uh a J shape on the left hand side.

Yeah.

Um if the spaces that are going to be designated for the vet clinic's use are over there, and that's the minimum, you know, if that's where they cluster those, then that's where we'll look for those plantings on the fence.

If it's on the east side, then we'll look for those plantings there.

We're gonna look for a parking lot tree regardless.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Right.

Well, um, I've spent um a lot of orthodontic time in this area, which would be which is where the island is.

Yeah.

So I could see how them getting their dedicated space is going to be over here by the housing.

But you're saying that is their chain link fence, it's got the privacy slice to to put planting on.

We're we're of the belief it we've got to confirm whose fence that is.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, if if it turns out it is not their fence, then obviously we'll have to have the consent of the adjacent property owner.

If we don't get that consent, that'll be factored in uh to moving forward on how we get those plantings in.

But there are ways to do it.

That owner might like that.

Could yes, could.

Yep.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any other comments from the commission?

Okay.

Debream.

If not, we'll move on to item number 15.

This is a request for Peter Mozart, owner, Trust and Corporation for rezone from RS5 to RM1 on 2.63 acres known as 780 780 making highway.

Proposed use multifamily residential type two.

All right, thank you.

This is a request to go from RS5 to RM1.

There's a non-binding concept plan to show you their intention, which is eight townhome style units to be placed on this property.

What's interesting about this property, and I and I can tell you the owner has worked with planning staff for as long as I've worked here on trying to figure out a development scheme for this site.

And what makes that difficult and challenging is we have the 100 foot riparian buffer, not 75 feet, but the 100 foot riparian buffer.

We have a 100-year floodplain also present, as well as significantly steep slopes that constrict the site for construction, so you end up with about 54% of the lot is unbuildable.

So this is request in most regards is the fact that RM1 offers the opportunity to develop without having to create lots through here.

Once you create the lots, you you constrict what can happen because the RS5 zoning requires a 5,000 square foot lot, 50 feet of frontage on Macon Highway.

It's just really challenging to do it, and you'll see why here in a moment.

Future land use is mixed density residential.

That would not have to change.

So here we see the general geometry of the piece.

Macon Highway is the frontage that is to the southeast of the property, so RS5 on the left, RM1 on the right.

That is a lot of what's out there is R1, but it is adjacent to RS5.

There's an aerial view.

And with the trees less pronounced, you can kind of see how there's a dome on the site, right?

It rises to the middle.

What's also kind of interesting to see is the past alignment.

Macon Highway actually connected and crossed the river and connected to the road that is now Hamilton.

And it's just kind of interesting to kind of start to understand how things are the way they are.

But this was really helpful to understand the topography, and it has not changed.

Then the environmental constraints on the site are depicted here.

So everything in gray is buildable.

Everything with the black and red outline is the parcel.

So you can begin to see that gray that doesn't have any other color touching it, represents about 46% of the site.

And it sits right up against the right-of-way, which obviously you can't have a structure right up against the right-of-way, so there'd be a setback involved.

So as you start to think about those things, you end up with a much smaller buildable area.

Here's the concept plan that was submitted.

We've seen a variation where the access is to the rear or on the river side, the downslope side.

So that hasn't been ironed out yet, but the notion here is to get the eight townhome units in roughly this arrangement with shared access across the front.

So planning commission's recommendation is for approval as submitted.

They found it to be compatible with the comprehensive plan, noting that it was an appropriate spot for infill residential development, compatible with future land use map and the zoning map.

Environmental and topographic challenges severely constrain the construction and subdivision of the land.

And it's worth noting that the RS5 density and the RM1 densities are very similar.

The RM doesn't require that subdivision of the land to be able to achieve the build up, the build out of that density.

The RM1, in exchange for not having to do the lotting, the subdivision of the land has more design standards.

So you end up with a little more rigor on the design side with the RM1 than you do with the RS5.

And they found that to be a compelling reason to look at the RM and provide that flexibility for development.

That ends the staff report.

Thank you, Mr.

Laney.

Any comments from the public on item number 15.

Yes.

I'm Mark Walton from Patrick and Associates.

We're located in Conyers.

And I'm the engineer that's working on this project, and staff did a very good job of presenting the all the pros of this site.

It is very challenging between the topography, the uh Athens Clark County riparian buffer, and uh we've also had to work very intently with the seller.

He he's more rigorous than most municipalities that I work in on what he wanted to see here.

So we're trying to meet all the sensitivity of the surroundings.

Um we do like the orientation where the backyards of the units will be overlooking, it'll be a nice vista overlooking the uh the river there.

So I don't want to take up any more time.

I'm just sitting here in case y'all have any questions.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Any other comments from the public?

Item number 15.

If not um Commissioner Cole prep on the short district district seven.

Um yeah, so like what Bruce said, the RM1 is actually a more restrictive um zoning for this track.

Uh it's gonna require a 55% tree canopy versus the 40% on the um on the current zoning.

Um they're obviously not seeking to do max density on this track because of the lay of the land and the setbacks.

Um I think this is a good um good project and a good good use of this land.

It'll probably when he was when um the engineer was talking about the landowner.

Um this will be consistent with what was done over in Princeton Mill on the other side of the river because this land connected with that, and so that's the type of product um that they're looking to build.

Anything else, Commissioner?

Is it another comment?

Yes, sir, Commissioner that boy.

Yeah, I like this project as well.

Um sensible, and I know that I've driven by the net topography is a little rough.

Very rough.

Um just got a question.

That dome looks very pronounced, and you know, Athens has a lot of Native Americans who used to run that area.

What will happen if they start digging in things, you know, artifacts come up when that happens, there's an all stop.

Uh there's a protocol that the developer has to go through, and the county helps shepherd them through that protocol with the state to kind to um identify the extent of the area that they probably need to work outside of and then how to secure that.

Um, but when that has happened, and it has happened a couple times, the project stops until that evaluation can be completed and that a determination is made about the design.

Can the design be built as shown or not?

Um when we have indicators on site that are worth noting that maybe that's some something to look into beforehand.

We do definitely share that.

Um that has been a discussion over the years in this area in many locations, so I think you're appropriate to point that out.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Wright?

I I have a question, and I'm not sure if it's the applicant or Bruce, so we'll start with Bruce.

Um I see that there's a retaining wall on the back, and the topography.

I take it this is gonna be viewing the river, not accessing the river.

So that exact detail has been sorted out.

Um if there is to be a trail, it would not be something of a hardscape trail.

Um if there is to be passive access down to the shore or the edge of the of the river in some way.

Um there's only a couple spots where you can do that and have it be safe to be honest with you.

Gotcha.

Um, but yeah, the retaining wall is intended to minimize the amount of greeting they have to do.

So that I think the intent, and maybe the applicant can respond to this, but the intent is to have less cut, a little more balanced fill on site and bring that up and level it.

Right.

So can you picture the retaining wall of the flats, like the original flats, the ones looking over towards our malleys?

Uh-huh.

And and and they have stairways within that huge retaining wall that allow those, you know, them to come down and now they're able to engage in the in the green way.

I'm not seeing that sort of hard escape design in this.

That's not part of the concept, but it may be a question that you want to ask.

It's more curious, it's not a you know, yes, ma'am.

Um the thought with that retaining wall is the the units to the right are sitting right on the tippity top of the dome.

We want to cut that down probably about three or four feet, and that's gonna help the relief out to make an highway.

And so that retaining wall, you behind the units there, it'll be flat, so you have a little flat backyard, and then that retaining wall will stick up maybe three or four feet, and it'll just hold the dirt back.

That way we don't grade into the uh ACC, the buffer, the hundred foot riparian buffer.

Um those five units that are to the right, um, they're all slab on grade, and then we have another retaining wall that ties into those last three units, and they'll probably be on a basement there because you can see the topo is sloping down.

Okay.

Um so that will be a little bit taller of a retaining wall, but the ones behind the five units will just you know.

I'm seeing a little bit more now the dash tobo lines in there, it's showing the pretty much a view.

Yes, ma'am.

Which looks like it's gonna be a good view.

That's that's what the uh developer is really banking on is that it's gonna be a beautiful scenic vista.

Several of the planning commission members said that they kayaked and canoeed down there, and that's it's a lovely spot.

I've seen it.

Thank you.

Any other comments for any other commissioners?

Okay, thank you.

Request of Scott Haynes WA engineered Largeville landing hole in the LLC for revision from RM2, the CG on 25.04 acres, subject area 0.353 acres, known as 135 and 150 McClure Road.

Copel uses commercial driveway.

This will require memment to the future land use from mixed distance rather than to general type one.

Okay.

So this really is just a little over a third of an acre that is being considered tonight for both a rezone but also a future land use change.

Um this area came before you last August, you might remember, with a larger RM2 development to the north, and the access into that RM2 development was coming adjacent to the spot that we're talking about tonight.

Umce that time, we've had a submittal for a uh Dollar Tree that is very close to to getting going right on the clone road.

Um in the engineering to make that work, it was discovered that the driveway access off of the proposed new road was not going to be sufficient to handle delivery traffic, truck traffic, and um honestly some of the the commercial uh customer traffic.

We have a standard in the code that doesn't allow for commercial traffic to travel across residentially zoned land for all the right reasons.

We're not trying to have commercial traffic come through residential property.

I think if the applicant had had the benefit of that engineering a year ago, we wouldn't have this request tonight, they would have addressed it then.

Um so it this is to facilitate a facilitate a commercial driveway that would allow access off the cul-de-sac in a more appropriate piece of geometry, which we'll see here in a second.

Um, from a future land use standpoint.

What we're talking about is where the black arrow is pointing, that little piece right there that's just over a third of an acre, kind of a trapezoid at the end of McClung Road, uh going from mixed density residential to general business, and here would be the zoning change from RM2 to commercial general.

Here's an aerial view of that same sort of trapezoidal shape, and then this is the development plan for the Dollar Tree.

Um right now, without this change in place, you can see the driveway on the top end of the development site just sort of stubs out, and by code, they can't connect across that residential piece with the change.

They would be able to do this, and that commercial drive would come across commercially zoned land and then tie in at the property line to a new residential drive that would eventually serve the RM2 development that you all saw last August.

Um so here's another view of the plating for that.

The area in pink is what we're talking about of changing.

So the planning commission's recommendation was both approval for the future land use change and approval for the zoning change.

They found it to be compatible with the comprehensive plan.

It does improve safety and accessibility for the folks in that area.

Um it also provides the necessary infrastructure for this commercial development to function properly, compatible with future land use in the zoning map.

Thank you.

We have any comment from the public.

Item number 16.

Good evening, Bryce Hicks WNA Engineering.

Uh, Bruce did a fantastic job really laying this out.

It's it really boils down to that one section of code uh and that one little tiny piece of property where we just can't use uh residentially zoned land to have any commercial traffic on it.

Umce we determine that the existing uh traffic the existing uh layout of the the proposed commercial wasn't gonna be sufficient.

We we really needed this little little bit of a change here.

Uh if you have any questions, let me know.

Thank you today.

Oh, Bryce Hicks.

Yes, sir.

Thank you, thank you.

Any other comments from the public commissioner Thornton, is your district?

Nine.

I appreciate um Bruce, Mr.

Lonnie explaining why this is coming back.

Uh uh McClure's it was a nightmare for me for a moment.

So I'm I I do appreciate you know giving some history there on why this wasn't in the first um right now I think that I will be supporting this.

Uh everybody else got a dollar general in the area.

I need a dollar general.

Um but um 29 is just exploding as far as economic development is concerned.

I don't see any I will be getting back with you guys like I always do before I make my final vote um just to make sure I'm I'm understanding, but right now um I feel good about it, and um we'll see you when we see you.

Thank you.

Okay.

If not, thank you, Mr.

Lonnie.

Yes, sir.

Planning commission items commissioner Thornton.

I got three of them in my district.

If you want to have one of mine, we can have it.

You have three shows, Lexicon, and Whitehall.

Oh, you got one on Red Hall?

Okay, that's their own if they don't point you out.

That's my district.

So before we get into old and new business, we want to go back to the consent agenda.

And uh we'll go ahead and uh Commissioner Thornton, you had a um question on item number eight.

I had item seven.

Okay, well, that's okay.

Well she was just first, so okay.

Go ahead, Commissioner Mike, I'm sorry.

Yeah, no, I I just wanted to um make a comment on uh an item seven, which is uh uh money uh which is project 27, the SPLOSS project facilities equipment.

I want to put it back on to consent.

I'm fine with that, but I thought it was you know, it has some interesting details about our like financial responsibilities that we need to be preparing for because it talks about the SPLOST making a good chunk of the money towards the addressing the backlog, getting maintenance and upkeep of our capital, um our infrastructure, capital expenses and such.

Um and I, you know, when I looked at that chart on uh page four and saw how little the SPLOST was and how much the work was due, I just really wanted to emphasize this to staff and to my colleagues that we get an updated facility equipment lifecycle plan as we're preparing for our next uh budget here.

Um I just it's these are long-term things where we're some of us, most of us, all of us, I don't know, might not be here in 15 or 20 years when some of these things are falling apart or something, so it's easy to sort of push it off.

But um I I just see that we do need to uh continue to be looking at this backlog of projects.

Um I'm also really pleased uh that in terms of sustainability, we're addressing some you know, roof installations that's strong enough for solar and the uh HVAC systems that are really very energy efficient, and you know, it down the line it might be something for us to do to look at how our energy save what we're doing with our energy savings and think of that as money to also spend on some of this unfunded uh backlog of capital improvements overall.

So um just my little uh you know two cents on projects for the future, keeping taking care of our maintenance needs as we move forward.

So back onto the consent agenda.

Okay, thank you.

Commissioner Thornton, item number eight.

I'm actually going to leave mine off of consent.

Um I really will I'm I'm I'm paying more attention now on our procurement policies, and I just want to kind of look at what process we went through or just understand it better.

So I'm going to uh keep mine off.

Okay.

Um I'll do my homework before voting session.

Okay.

So we're gonna leave off item item number eight.

Okay.

So we'll go ahead and go over item number one, adoption orders for recreational trail program grant for Southeast Clark Park.

Consent?

Yes.

No.

We don't need to go over that, do we?

We've already agreed for the first time.

We've already covered consent.

I think we're up to we're up to number um 17.

Okay, old business.

Okay.

Thank you.

The ham broaden hammer.

Okay.

So now next on our agenda zone.

No.

Not because it's not a voting.

Oh, the new business.

Item 17 through number 30.

If you wish to address the mayor commission on any item below on the old and new business, please go to poll and state your name, address.

Who's the commission state?

The members of the public may speak once during the following portions of the agenda for up to three minutes with a 30 second reminder at two and a half.

So all the new business items 17 through 30.

Any comments from the public.

Okay.

Any input from the commissioners on any items 17 through 30.

Yeah.

Commissioner.

Go through.

Yeah, we should go through one by one.

Correct.

Okay.

Yes.

We'll start with item number 17.

Yeah, um, this is the West Broad Hancock pedestrian um safety program, the T Splash program that I asked to be held for this month's agenda because we had a really awesome meeting with community members last week.

Staff came out, we met under the pavilion at Rock Springs Park and got a lot of input on the proposed projects and some extra details and prioritization.

Um I just met with staff earlier this afternoon, and um I'll be bringing up a CDO.

Um that'll you know have a detailed um prioritization and a few more details to the proposed projects.

So this is looking good.

Any other comments on item 17 okay?

Item number 18 all six violations by replacement, probably acquisition.

Did leave that off consent.

Leave it off consent.

I wanted to address that.

No legis session.

Oh, I don't want to talk about that part of the I want to talk about my CDO.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

No, that's all right.

Yeah, um, I we didn't we put this on hold at the beginning of September, and therefore I was not able to address the uh commission defined option that I put forward, so I'd like to address that.

And um I hear the resident concerns in that area, and that's why we put together some of the I put together some of the items and the bullet points in the CDO.

Um I'm hoping that my colleagues will see how the CDO addresses resident concerns, but also locates a firehouse in the area identified by the fire chief as the best place for providing emergency services.

And just uh for colleagues and the public, the CDO directs the management, the manager's office to follow through to implement the following minimize the footprint of the facility, fully pursue ACC lighting ordinances so it doesn't you know bother neighbors, use planted buffers, berms, and other tactics to minimize the visual impact on neighbors and ensure that uh fuel and material storage is on site, are managed to eliminate impacts to neighboring residents, agriculture, and wildlife, some of the concerns we heard.

Um, but concerning why the firehouse should be located on old Lexington Road, after all this time, it really boils down to something very simple, and that's that it will address and provide better services to 800 more residents in the 2.4 radius of the of that location who will now, or if that happens, be able to get the response times needed to save lives from heart attacks, strokes, and fires and other emergencies.

And those are addresses on Bob Godfrey, Nellie Mays, Lexington Road, Robert Hardeman, and Blue Heron Drive, and they'll all have their response times reduced three to almost six minutes in some cases, which can make all the differences in the lives lost.

This is something that the fire chief confirmed in an email to us that is his main reason for putting it there at the location of Lexington Road.

Um, and I don't know if the any of my colleagues have any questions on the fire house and the location for the fire chief, but I assume he's available if they do.

But to me it's very simple, it's about providing life-saving services to those 800 people in that southeast corner of the county.

Thank you.

Well, the comment from the commission.

Yes.

Thank you, Kair Myers and my colleagues.

I would like to present my CEO to pretty much stated that.

So the constituents that I serve are stating that yes, we do need a fire station on the east side, and we need it somewhere out in the rural area.

It just they have concerns about this particular location.

And I know in a second session and behind the scenes, we looked at other locations as well.

The current location does still leave the neighborhood of Bar H, the neighborhood of Ottawa, South, the South Air, Southern South of Rachels.

I've covered even though O'Connor County may or may not pick up that tab.

It does leave some gaps.

So my CDO just addresses the a much better location that's available that is cheaper as well that provides the coverage for all of Athens Clark County and not just you know just the 800 that this 4730 will provide.

And that's it.

Okay.

Any other comments on the number 18?

Yeah, uh I I do want to address that and ask the manager to perhaps address that because it's it's uh and to clarify the it's 800 additional people.

There's a lot of people in that service area for the new location that already have service and will continue to have it.

Um I'm not sure what the other CDO of my esteemed colleague location is being talked about.

But I know in the site selection committee, we asked about sites over on Barnett Shoals and also the ones over Lexington Road.

And I'm wondering if the police, if the fire chief could address moving them in the whatever directions those are, you know, to the right or left.

Uh and perhaps he could address that for our clarification.

Um go ahead.

Um and is this fire station potentially gonna look like the rest of the fire station, two stories almost with the three bays, conference room.

I know it's a little early, but maybe we'd dressed that.

Yeah, I mean we haven't gotten into the design yet, but certainly he'll have the idea of what would be involved with it.

Chief A.

Hey, thank you, everyone.

So um to to address the the question, first of all, uh, Commissioner uh Myers uh wanted clarification about as far as it you are correct, Commissioner Myers, it is an additional 800 residents.

However, we're looking at a totality of about 12 percent of the county population affected by this decision.

It's not just 800 residents, it's 800 additional unserved, underserved residents that would be added by removing the overlap, the 50 percent overlap from fire station number seven and number five, as we're where they currently sit, expanding that to the southeastern corner of the county.

Um, so it is it is something that will improve services uh for an additional number of people, but it does affect um in the areas that you all you mentioned as well as you mentioned both.

We are you know still going to be responding from fire station seven and five.

We are not going to be really relying on Oconee County for response to any of that unless we request it.

It's not an automatic aid area.

Um we do have uh response that's automatically excuse me, that's uh will be coming from Athens Clark County uh existing fire stations.

Um the the improvement obviously would be to reduce travel time and travel time.

I know in previous discussions I kind of highlighted, and if it's okay to if you could allow me to illustrate just a couple of uh examples, um, you know, for err for every minute that someone may have suffered a cardiac arrest, and there's not viable CPR being given them, there's a 10% drop in their chance of survival.

So five minutes can mean someone's life.

Uh two minutes could make a difference depending on how long someone has been down.

Um when it comes to someone bleeding, a person can bleed out in under five minutes.

So somebody working on a farm cuts cuts cuts their hand off, you know, working on on some farm equipment.

That could happen.

Um a structure fire.

It could go from a a trash can that's burning to an entire room and contents or beyond that in under three minutes, depending on the type of ventilation, the type of construction materials being used, uh, what kind of furnishings the home has.

Uh so that just illustrates the importance of us getting there on time.

We can't really control as a fire department the time that it takes for somebody to call 911, the time that it takes for the 911 processor or call takers to process that call, dispatch the call.

We can control how fast we get ready, but the one thing we definitely cannot do anything with how long it takes us to get somewhere.

Those are a lot of unknown factors when it comes to traffic conditions, weather, um, but location of the fire station is something that you all as the governing body can control.

Um so that's where this is a very, very key investment in the community.

Um openly acknowledging that there is outcry um from some residents of the community, but this is a decision that can affect beyond just the southeastern portion, it can affect the entirety of the county.

But we're definitely talking about at least a 12%, 15,000 people affected by this.

An additional 800 is what we're looking to improve our services to and beyond that, depending on the future development of the county.

Thank you, Chief.

Chief, the general design.

Oh, sure, of course.

And as as a manager Cal brought out, we are looking at options for design uh ideas and concepts.

We've seen some um of the prototypes from other fire stations in Georgia.

Uh Cherokee County is one we're looking at.

We've looked at some uh from Winder that do have the single story um look, they're not two story stations.

Um they're smaller, they're not the as big the commercial look, um, and of course they're not as expansive as some of our fire stations.

Again, that's something that I don't really have as much of a say, but I can make a recommendation, and my recommendation is of course something that will blend into the community.

It will be complimentary of the community.

If it has a big open front porch, wonderful.

But as long as it doesn't have the big huge gaping windows and things that we may be seeing in a more commercialized area, that's kind of the the driving recommendations that the user group has provided.

That would be the fire chief, deputy fire chief, and other uh firefighters that are on that user group.

We've recommended it have something that's more of a complimentary look, and that's something that the site selection committee as well has worked to develop that that concept moving forward.

So in the public input sessions, that was asked of us, yes, sir.

And the movement of the location for further to the east over to Barnage Hills or further to the west.

Correct.

So so further to the east, and we're looking at providing more coverage for Oglethorpe County than we are for Athens Clark County potentially.

Um more to the west, and we're we're removing the coverage of the uncovered area, the underserved area that we're already trying to improve coverage to um north or south, same way we're kind of going up to Winterville or South, we may be kind of removing coverage from this the eastern part.

Yeah, I can see you, so I'm glad you're here.

Um so you know, I gotta I got a whole bunch of bosses who yell at me.

Okay, gotta listen to them.

Um they you know they pay their taxes, I may don't want that quantum like disrupted.

But you hit on a get point when it comes to response time.

Do you elaborate more if we moved the um if we move this fire station to Lexington Road to Morgan Road at a corner there?

Um I believe that property is a little bit cheaper.

But if I um if I'm on Belmont Road, and if I have slip and fall down 911, can you elaborate minute by minute like what will what are my chances of survival or further injury?

Well, it it does depend on the severity if it's something that's a severe, like you know, trauma to your your spine or something like that, obviously.

I'm having a heart attack.

You're having a heart attack.

So there we go.

That is that is something that would would really be uh a key thing.

So uh again, kind of not you know, a full-blown cardiac arrest again is as I stated now again a heart attacks a little different, but it's just as urgent.

A car a full-blown cardiac arrest.

I mean, for every minute I'm not having CPR, that's basically a 10% reduction in your survival opportunities.

Um, and then depending on how far how long you've been down before somebody saw you and called 911, that time is already built into your ability or lack of ability to survive.

Um, but but as far as a heart attack, obviously quick intervention, um uh being able to provide uh critical rapid treatment to you and then rapid transport from there, but getting our folks there to uh treat us the situation and begin doing that.

Minutes do count.

One or two, three minutes could could make a difference, but five minutes would definitely make a difference in somebody's um you know uh uh likelihood of having complications and and and and being able to fully recover from something like that.

So if you're on one road and I'm on Bearmont and I'm can you get that distance in the same amount of time at 4730?

No.

It would take us more time.

Okay, thank you.

Yes, sir.

Chief, let me ask a question.

Yes, sir.

Uh one of the things that we've been hearing is about the noise.

What's the average calls that we get from our all our five stations locally?

What's our average call?

It is the station dependent.

So obviously we may hear engine 21 from station one come out, you know, six, seven, eight, nine, ten times a day.

It's the busiest station by far.

Okay.

Times triples many of the call binds, but station five, the current station five, we get two and a half to three calls on average a day.

Um is our is our yearly average, yes or okay.

Just cute.

And they're not all emergent lights and siren type calls, medical calls sometimes will go what we call cold, where we're not having the lights and sirens to to be able to respond.

Okay.

You know, a comment from the other commissioners.

Thank you, Chief.

Thank you.

Uh next item is item number 19, Hot One Avenue, overdoor avenue, intersection approvements.

And of course, this was part of the inner domain.

I know again this is part of my district, and I have not had the opportunity to um talk with the owner.

I call him twice and have not heard back from him yet.

And after I've gone by this establishment and have not received any feedback.

So I know it was one thing that we want to we gave 30 days to take a look at because it was in the domain how much of that properly we will affect, you know, would affect his business.

So hopefully before we get to our voting meeting in October, I hope I also respond back for him.

Any comments from uh my colleagues.

Leave it off, consent.

Yeah, we'll have to leave.

You get extra time in September for that week, two extra weeks.

Uh next I'm item number 20.

Um drive pedestrian improvement project.

Primary design.

Consent.

Can we put in consent?

Consent.

Okay.

Um item number 21, Stonehenge Neighborhood Area Pedestrian Improvements Project.

Uh proposed project concept.

Commissioner Johnson.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim.

So this is uh neighborhood improvement program that was on the T SPAS 2023 project um program.

And the project overview was generally to um focus on sidewalks, safe crossings, and traffic calming, and there were speed tables speed humps that were requested a long time ago, but now they are offering um speed tables as an option, so that was also selected.

Um the goal is just to improve accessibility, uh, safety and connectivity with the neighborhoods around it, as well as to the Atlanta Highway Corridor and to also Highway 78.

Um, there was a 4.6 billion dollar project budget that was approved for this, and there is approximately three million dollars that is that is set aside for this neighborhood improvement.

Some of the significant things that came out of a survey that was sent out to residents was under the must-have list.

It was like ADA sidewalks was really important to residents, um ADA ramps for some, um, mid-block ADA crosswalks, sidewalks on secondary streets.

Um I'm not sure what this is, but bike facilities, I I thought that was um neat, and a lot of people verbalized, but I don't I didn't see it in the report.

Many people requested um transit bus stops with a cover, and I said that's plan B.

You know, is actually let's get this done, and you know, we can't have you on the street, but once this you know, once the sidewalks are in place, then you have a place to stand, and that's hopefully where you know the transit bus stop will be.

You know, the main thing that you know sp spurred this from many residents, and I I walk through that neighborhood often about once a month.

You know, the neighborhood is comprised of many homes, and a lot of my classmates, their parents still live in the home.

Um maybe they live in a home and their children live in the home.

In some homes, they're still like it's five generations in one home.

And so there you know, there's a lot of different things going on, but with it when it came to speed, you know, there were you know, as one lady said, you know, there are certain streets that have been turned into a racetrack.

And to to handle that and address that, there were temporary speed humps put out earlier this year or late last year, and that will be replaced with permanent speed bumps.

That's not coming out of this three million dollars.

And then there was an additional um monies um approved in the FY26 budget for additional um funding for speed humps on those streets that weren't recommended.

So five additional streets will get speed tables.

So if you want to know what speed tables are, they're a little taller, and you almost have to stop your car to just tiptoe over them.

So it will definitely mitigate any traffic concerns and speeding.

Um I do have a couple of questions if I can, or if you want me to pause.

One of the things that I'm not aware of is there the project title has a sub-project number one at the end, and I was curious if there is a sub project two, three, four, and what this means and who who determines that Josh.

I mean, I don't they usually just do them sequentially in numbers with it.

So I don't know that there is a planned number two in the subproject, but if there is, it would just go into project number two with it.

I don't know if there is a plan or subproject two.

So, like with subproject one, be like just the sidewalks or no, no, no, it's the whole project.

Yeah, so we if the whole project doesn't use all of the funds that are in that project number, and there was a second project of whatever magnitude they would use it, it would simply be called subproject number two.

I just don't know that.

Okay, like the like to have list.

Okay.

The other question I had, the last one is okay.

So there is a user group um formed in May 2024 for this, and I just wanted to just clarifying information about the policies or process, um, the established process to understand who has the author authority to appoint a user group and select the members.

In this case, the county manager appointed a user group to guide the project.

I looked on the website, the ACC website, and I queried all kind of you know, keywords, buzzwords for this project.

I could not find a user group, could not find meetings, but when you read through the history, it indicates that there were meetings.

And so it's uh a significant disconnect.

But I was curious how that works.

Um the county manager appointed five people, three of the people were uh county staff and two were residents.

And I'm not sure who they are or if they live in Stonehenge, but I would like more information about how we do that for other projects for this, but more so for further project future projects.

And um and commissioner will actually we'll actually talk also about that concept at the retreat, also as we talk about the process.

So we'll actually, even before this item comes forward, I think we'll have some more information for it.

Thank you so much.

That's all I have.

I just wanted to I I would like to recommend it for consent.

Okay, thank you.

Any other comments?

Next item agenda is item number 22, water water and wastewater connection fee isn't exemption for miser, central economic development, and employment growth.

Do we know do we know how much the dollar amount is?

How much they adopt.

I know it's 100%, but do we know how much it is?

You just email us.

Yeah.

Oh, is it okay?

Because I thought it it would be $54,008.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Consent.

Consent.

Okay.

It it says attachment one for the agenda item won't be here till the voting meeting.

So we wait for that.

Should we leave the case?

Oh, oh, yeah.

Okay.

Wait.

Yeah.

So we'll not put it on consent.

No, we said it'll be complete for the next one.

Item 22 off consent.

Good catch.

Not that we don't consent to the idea of it all that.

Thank you, Commissioner High.

I am item number 23 million O'Connor Water Reclamation Facility Operation Building Design.

Consent.

Okay.

If Leaf and Limb contingency funding requests for new FY26 positions.

Solid waste department.

I think I can see.

Okay.

Item number 25, as Clark County Local Emergency Operation Plan Adoption.

Consent.

Um can we leave?

I got a few.

Chief Gone.

Leave it off.

He's probably hanging around somewhere.

I just want to say that.

Well, I just want to ask you a question.

If you have we can try to answer that.

Yeah, I'll you know one thing I bought I've talked about was um I know we got a coordinator, but is there any plans in the future for us having the director of emergency management plan?

Yeah, I think you know the chief certainly I think would has already added resources to this, and I think would be interested in adding additional resources as we go forward.

Yeah, I think you know, the chief certainly I think would has already added resources to this, and I think we'd be interested in adding additional resources as we go forward, so it probably is something worth talking about as to what that ultimately looks like because right now we're operating under that coordinator position.

Right.

Whether it becomes something more than that, I don't know, but certainly I think they would hope to add more resources over time.

Okay.

I was just I do apologize.

That'll catch you.

That'll catch you in the green.

No, we I'll just ask, you know, one of the things I've talked about in the past was um I know we got emergency management coordinator that you know, maybe one day look at having a director.

And really just maybe even expanding of emergency management operation, you know, and we've been fortunate in this community.

We really haven't had any major major disaster, but it's always good to um have somebody in place with certification and things like that nature.

So that's just food for though.

Okay, thank you very much.

Mayor Pertem too, just a reminder that uh our office will be conducting an audit of emergency management in the spring.

So perhaps some of those answers come from that audit as well.

Thank you, Chance.

Sorry about that.

Mayor Pro Tim.

Yes.

I have a question.

After this is approved, is this something that we can have on like our home page as something we uh we've received in my short eight months a lot of emails about our process.

And I want this this is a good tool and has a lot of information.

Is this something that we can make it easily found?

People can find it easily and not buried um on a website department page, excuse me.

To me, there's two two plans of thoughts here.

Um having um ran a um version department with the school system, some things you may not want out there for security reasons, and then there may be some things that we could put out there where people can find information.

So I think to your point, we can take a look at that.

But I think some things we have to be careful what we put on our websites from a security standpoint.

Yeah, I think in in this case, everything that's in there is is okay for public distribution.

That was a piece of what we want to make sure.

I do think though, perhaps a maybe a slightly better solution.

Obviously, this will be on the website, but if you recall, there's the flyer that has the more specific in certain instances call these numbers that definitely needs to be much more prominent.

You know, like easy to find.

And we'll make sure that's as prominent as that can be because that's kind of the quick resource, and then try to make the other part as much as getting thank you.

And I guess I guess that was part of our um retreat about I because I didn't know you had those numbers like at the fingertips so if this can be made clearer or so it doesn't get lost.

Yeah, no, we'll we'll definitely be we'll be amplifying that um through different means, but then making it as visible as it can and making sure that you all have that information too, so that as you have meetings, you can also get that out to focus and stuff too.

So yeah, so nobody wants they work for me no more.

Yeah, but also correct me though, but there's some things though that we wouldn't put into those plans for public.

Definitely, definitely.

There are things that certainly are part of emergency response that aren't necessarily gonna end up in in that plan.

What's in the plan right now is all able to be shown publicly.

Um a good example of that is there may be locations of electric facilities, substations, those kinds of things.

You're not gonna see that in the plan and stuff.

Okay.

Anything else from any ecologists?

I would you get the book at the work session?

I know you were able to be at the work session, but did you get the book?

Just like this.

Okay.

I'll get with the clerk and get the book.

I'll get the book.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Commissioner Ryan.

Um, consent or we're good with it 25?

Yeah.

Consent.

Okay.

Item 26, GOC report recommend updates to BAC procedures.

Yeah.

I would like it to be on hold for about six months.

Oh no.

You guys have been stuck.

I'll wait matter.

Um nine, ten, two thousand years of work that we put into this thing.

So it's a two-parter.

Um, so our main task was to try to consolidate some of these um BACs, um, find out thanks to staff that some of these BACs are um created by the state, so they can't be combined.

And then our lovely mayor has the option of creating his own her own um BACs, because that's in the ordinance.

Um, so there's not much that the commission can do, but um, we did um American pretty much create.

I wish we could change that charter, but the mayor can pretty much um create his own BAC.

But what we did was for a few months go through, calm through the tier two.

And if you go to the recommendations on the in the packet, you'll pretty much it pretty much sums up the work that we have done.

So some of these some of the BACs we combine together.

Some we did away with because we already got the HRC.

And we want to be consistent legally.

So some of the active BACs were created by resolution.

So we want to change those to codify them into our ordinance.

And we updated our BAC BAC rule book as well, which which requires all BAC members to have an email address and to use that email address, you know, for open records as well.

It's a lot easier to communicate that way and to do training.

And one of the caveats that we the ISONOD CAKE will be paying BACs if we approve our 27 budget com.

We'll be paying the members, excuse me, of the BACs for their meetings because we, you know, two BACs in the right now are getting paid a stiphon every month.

And I just think if anybody in the community who dedicates a couple hours a week at 6 o'clock at night, you know, to hear about solid waste or to hear about bike lanes deserves to be compensated for their efforts.

But yes, leave it off consent.

I meant to send a one pager this weekend.

I got it typed up, but I forgot to send it.

It's been a rough weekend.

Um y'all know behind the scenes, but if y'all have any questions, please feel free to ask.

So does this require them to uh post the minutes on the county website and the videos of the meetings?

Yes.

So that's state law.

Um they have to do that now.

Well, excuse me, not the videos.

Um the meeting minutes have to be posted.

Maybe Judge can.

I don't know if they have to be post, but they have to need to be kept.

Yeah.

Because I know there's like if you look on our website, there's a there's some that don't have any minutes or anything on that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't think there is a legal requirement that you post in case uh I know you have to keep minutes, but I'm not sure it's a requirement to check on that to actually post them.

Commissioner.

Yeah, um, you know, fortunately for I mean it makes sense to post them, but yeah.

I don't think I'll check on that though.

Fortunately for Commissioner Davenport and committee, I left all my notes on this, so I'll send them.

There are a lot of little little things I just read through it this afternoon, the manual, which I think is great to have there.

Um I do think that the there are a couple of things in terms of like uh having the all of the back meetings um on YouTube available and the minutes are all there's some things we'd heard about from the public, but I saw them included into the manual on some of those things.

Um but I will send those comments that I have out for everyone's consideration, and some of them might just be little tiny things.

Commissioner Port.

Um I'm really glad that you are considering um or recommending these community volunteers a stipend.

Um I guess we just need to see what it looks like in the budget, but I do think that's um more than uh we should have did that a long time ago, I guess that's what I'm saying.

It's $67,000.

Okay.

Um and she's gonna raise it for chat.

I can't be because I I even think about the folk that serve on our T Splos and SPLOSS committees, especially in that cycle, you know, they give up a lot of time, and I think I was really embarrassed when we were interviewing, I forget what committee, and um one of the ladies said I guess she was a I know she was a current um committee member, said that um she had to pay for her parking, you know.

So I know we can do the thing at the parking deck, but I do think that where we can at least show our appreciation monetarily in some kind of way.

So um uh uh I think T Splash and Splash folk are BAC folk also.

I do want to highlight the tags or six tags that they're gonna be combined, so that's one of the reasons why I want to put them off on hold because once they get to the community, y'all probably more than likely get phone calls, but there's some devil in the detail as to why we decided to do that.

Um it's very time consuming for staff.

Um if you look at the recommendations that the TAD group presented, um they're pretty much all the same, but um, we do have a recommendation that each commission will represent have somebody in that representative district.

So but Commissioner Wright.

Um this is very complicated, and I know why it took you guys in GOC so long.

But those of us over in LRC have a lot to catch up on.

So um Commissioner Myers, Chair of LRC, it might be that we have a um special meeting with the chair of GOC to come to LRC and break this down for us to keep it moving.

But I don't know if if if we do need to hold it so that we can absorb the changes and understand because I'm not seeing some of the the list and the changes that happened um in the entirety of what you did and what you um as as a committee.

But you started working on this October of 2023, it was assigned in July of 2022.

So I do understand that you're ready to move it on, but I think that it the rest of us need to get caught up in those changes.

And the other part, um I don't know when we're gonna tackle that, but we are taking a break.

So the other part would be actual application process.

Yeah.

So um, and we'll be working with um the Parker Commission PIO and but that's later down the road, so don't don't include that in consideration when you look at the um so if I'm sorry okay, so these are all great details that I think instead of having the one I want here at the meeting to understand.

So um I'd need to catch up.

All right, thank you.

So we're gonna put this on the whole thing.

No, it's not I was kidding about the whole thing.

I'll do that link.

Okay, it's on a couple of things.

But it's definitely not on consent.

Well, I believe there was a document we um were shown in the meeting that listed the changes.

Yeah, I didn't see I didn't see an attachment.

I mean, I saw the we can can we ask staff to share the presentation that we got that outlined the changes.

And then and then the BHC handbook, is this the new version of it?

Because I'm not seeing things marked out or it's the clean version of the code.

It's a clean version, yeah.

But maybe we can share the clean version.

Yeah, reiterate.

We can do that.

We have a dirty version.

All right.

That's it for now.

Commissioner Biden.

Yeah, yeah, maybe we can get that crossed out version as well.

Um, but since you brought it up, and one thing I do remember was about the application process, and I remember reading this afternoon in here that's in this document, it does mention that there'll be, you know, it does mention a process where we'd review them and rank our top five, and then five people would be interviewed.

But you're saying that's going to be addressed again separately.

So the process of us getting notification, right?

The all um the should we, you know, we they're staggered throughout the year.

Should we combine them?

And Melissa Commissioner Ling mentioned it should be electronic, all that type of stuff.

Yeah, because I I also thought, I mean, there's a difference when we have one open position and five applicants.

Sometimes we've had like four open positions, and we've only interviewed five when we've had ten applicants, and it seems like it would make sense to interview a few of the people.

I thought it would be prudent to include our permanent clerk in on that conversation.

Since area we we wanted to wait to do.

Perhaps that could be you know somehow indicated in that agenda report.

Well, I do think before this comes up next for the voting session, even though it's off the consent, um, that we send you some some thoughts and some suggestions um because I got some thoughts and suggestions, but um I don't want to dare minimize how how hard that job worked on is and um yeah.

I struggled with the requirements.

It's like I I really struggled with that when we had somebody who was highly, highly, highly, highly, but yet we're looking for the diversity to diversity, diversity.

It it it it was a tug of war sometimes, so um, yeah, that that was one of my stressful moments.

So are we leaving on consent?

Of consent.

I think I said that before y'all told me no.

Okay.

Okay.

LRC report, North Ordinance recommendation for AR zone.

You'll hold that Patrick.

How long did we work on this?

Yeah.

Patrick wants to approve it tonight.

Actually, I mean, this is so much more narrow.

And I have to admit that this took us four meetings to discuss this.

And so when I think of all the details that are in that back manual and in all the recommendations, I'm, you know, like actually, it's pretty good that you got it done in the amount of time that you got it done.

Anyway, we we um the noise ordinance is pretty straightforward.

This part of the noise ordinance, we actually have not left noise behind.

We are addressing more noise, but this addresses noise in agricultural zones.

And so we spent four meetings understanding the issues related to excessive noise in agricultural zones and how to address them.

I gotta say special thanks to code enforcement, public police department, the manager's office, and importantly, the attorney's office for coming back on this for those four times of minute exploration exploration of this.

Um basically we got a text amendment to address noise restrictions, extend noise restrictions to commercial entities in agricultural zones where previously the ordinance applied to single family zones, uh the noise from commercial entities affecting single family.

Now we're looking at how it affects residential family, uh not residential uh rural and present.

So there were no restrictions before.

Now I think I have this simplified.

So uh Commissioner Davenport and I were going over this before, and I I'd like my all my committee members here and see if I'm making it too simple.

Now, if this passes after October, now before 11 p.m.

on Sunday through Thursday and before midnight in the rural areas, you shouldn't be able to hear anything over a mile away from those commercial entities, and then after those hours, you shouldn't hear anything from over a half a mile.

And if you do, the noise source can be given an ordinance warning or violation.

Are we not?

Okay.

So that's what this is doing.

And I hope hopefully um I've talked to uh Commissioner Davenport, whose district has had issues with this.

Um, and so if there needs to be any uh adjustment on the miles, uh the miles, not you know, on the distance, we should say, um maybe that could be brought up and discussed uh you know with the attorney or the manager's office uh before our October vote if there's interest from that part of the county on a community-defined option.

But this is what we are presenting here, um, and I am thankful to my colleagues as well, and we will move on to noise in the downtown area.

I will add I thought I know that Austin Jackson wrote a memo for regarding this matter for the members of the committee.

I'm not sure if he shared it with every one of the commissioners, but it might be good for him to do that if he didn't, so that uh because there's some legal issues related to this that y'all you would need to understand before we start offering uh COs CDOs.

On the distance in particular, perhaps right.

I wouldn't have well I'm surprised.

Well, never mind.

I'm sorry.

Commissioner Lake.

Yeah, so um I understand y'all are moving on to talk about the noise ordinance and its applications downtown.

Um does that also include like CN zones?

Because what I'm seeing as our entertainment district grows, we're getting more um venues in say normal town.

Um that and and we're we're getting noise in like normal town and boulevard and cobham.

Um not to mention the student parties, those things.

We are addressing what the current ordinance says right now, which is how it affects people in single family zoning.

And then the root of it is whether it's a public spaces noise, and whether it's private space outside noise.

And we're learning about and we've studied this before in another version of it, is that if it's a commercial entity doing their job, you can't give it a noise ordinance violation for your lawn care equipment.

Right.

So we're having to learn about the commercial applications of noise as versus um a noise ordinance violation in amplified in the in the closer areas and as the um ordinance currently reads.

So but amplified it's specifically amplified, and we're also looking at amplified um noise uh amplified apparatuses on the right-of-in our public spaces and also in private spaces because we have private entities amplifying to uh to an extent that others are not able to enjoy where they are, and they weren't they are in that entity for that.

Um does this include um amplified cars theory, the car stereo version of this was studied in the city.

Or mufflers LRC, we studied vehicles, and that's a whole nother entity that passed out without action due to the lack of ability to address that and a little bit of targeting that happens with it.

Was kind of how we so does state law not regulate um no like mufflers, like no noise from coming from non-commercial vehicles.

So we learned that you can't change your vehicle, and but we didn't learn a way that we can enforce that when somebody has changed something like that, or Ted might I've asked Austin already to share his memo, and if you have any questions, I'd encourage you to call him because he worked really.

With the committee on these issues.

Okay, yeah, yeah.

So there were two versions of it and when Chair Edwards we looked, we had it at one in one entity, and now the noise ordinance is coming more along the lines of how we have it and how we can enforce it.

Um for non-agriculture, so that's why we divided it up because they are two completely different um, yeah.

I just want to thank LRC Myers, Thorden Right, Call Paper Johnson.

Y'all did a wonderful job.

Um that series.

Um tell them why you came to the meet and made sure that we did for this has been going on for about three years in the agriculture, and I like how y'all divided it up because uh our situation on this situation was a little unique versus you know, downtown, but so I appreciate y'all diligence on this.

Um there's just this, you know, we have fairgrounds on you know on my side of town, and and um there's this event organizer who you know, even when residents come over, you know, and say, hey, it's too loud, it's 11 o'clock, you know, I'm two miles away, I can hear you.

They were just like, hey, we're gonna have some fun, and um it would it was not get neighbors, it was not it was disrupted a lot of people'quality of life, it's gotten so bad that my own family members, no those girls right there, um they were gonna get hotels when this event organizer came in the town.

You know, with kids and so they don't want to deal with that.

Um I did want to I was yeah, I did want to vote on this tonight, but you know, out of concerns that some of the commissioners wanted to make possibly do a CDO, and I did read the uh the email um that Austin sent out, make some slight small little adjustments.

Hopefully the LRC crew will accept it.

Um just some slight um adjustments, um but yeah, it has been a nightmare, and I thank y'all and thank the police department and staff for all y'all have done and can't wait to get this voted on and move forward.

Commissioner Mark.

Yeah, I too, a couple of things of clarification here as we're going forth, uh, and I will talk to the mayor about this, but his uh uh request to us was specifically to discuss updates in the commercial downtown zoning with this, so I will ask him about the other um on that.

The other thing is that we're putting forth this text amendment, there's still the enforcement side of it.

And one of the things that we uh learned that uh might be a good thing to bring up with our state representatives um is that the thousand dollar limit on ordinance violations, although I don't really want my neighbors to get a thousand dollar ordinance uh fines for you know uh grass that's a little too high, but when you have commercial entities that are making tens of thousands of dollars, a 1,000 dollar fine could just be part of the cost of business, but that's not something that we on the local level have the power to change.

That is a state uh regulation in terms of what we can do locally.

Any other comments?

Consent.

Oh no, I think he we want to leave it off.

Okay, so we'll take it off consent.

Item number 28, family connection communities and schools of Athens request update the neighborhood leaders program performance metrics.

Um I think that if everybody gets a chance to look at the metrics that they've outlined and the performance measures, they've got categories of food performance metrics, housing, health.

Um I think it's really great, gives us a chance to um see that the work.

I'm I'm assuming that there's a report that will come with um the monitoring at this level, but I I think it's a good idea what they're coming forward with.

I hope we prove it.

Consent.

No, I I'd like to have more time to review it.

It's 73 pages um of material.

So we'll off okay.

And just for me, just sort of food for thought, something we may want to think about as we move forward.

It'll be pretty good that other nonprofits coming for us and make these type of uh presentation if we move forward so we can look at their matrix and their data.

So uh thing something we need to as we move forward to take a look at that.

And you know, um and I guess I've been saying this since I've been on the commission about outcomes.

And I had a call today from a nonprofit, and he said, Well, y'all are getting our reports, and I'm like, no, we ain't getting your reports.

Maybe you know the dashboard, but I hear you.

But but I do think that is um a quarterly report, one pager.

I don't go to the dashboard like I should, but um, but he was real adamant about it.

And I'm like, well, let me check.

Maybe we didn't I I didn't overlook uh overlook.

So I do think that um you know, making an effort to uh readjust their um uh their job performance.

I know one of the things they did they did take out before was the uh voter uh participation and and and rightly so when I look back at it.

So I'm glad it is off so we can delve into it, but I do think that uh if nonprofits are submitting reports, we should be able to get something and not just have to go to the dashboard.

And I think, and I think I said this also publicly, the one that I think all of us get is from at the tutorial.

They send it to us individually, we get a report from them every month.

And this is good, it's one pager, and it's good.

So I hope as we move forward that's something we can take a look at with all the nonprofits that we're funding that they give these personally just give us the those type of reports, but that's food for thought for another day.

Item number 29, classic city heights project affordable housing cooperation agreement.

What was that?

Leave it off.

Yeah, I have a question for oh no, I have a question for staff.

Um, why are our connection fees so high?

Or is that industry standard when it comes to order?

Our connection fees basically represent an equity buy-in of the prior investments made by the community.

So for example, if prior rate payers have paid $50 million for a water or wastewater treatment plant, the new entity tapping in has a responsibility to pay for their portion of it, and so there's a pretty complex analysis involved in establishing that.

Thank you.

Any other comments on item number 29?

That's off consent.

Item number 30, downtown has its phase two intergovernment agreement.

Um yeah, I'll say the same thing.

I'd like to see that off consent right now.

I got some questions.

Yeah, we get staff.

The only thing I'd say on this one is I I do, even though I know we're gonna vote for it.

I think at the next meeting, I do want to acknowledge the work that Andrew and um Judd and his team did for this one because as you saw, there were a lot of documents we're getting kind of finalized as we move through.

There's a lot of complexity to this, so I certainly want to acknowledge the work that they've been doing over the last week plus just trying to get this thing um ready for for you all.

I I just got I just have a few questions.

I guess I need to send to you, Bob, or two uh yeah, you send me and I'll I'll certainly get with Andrew and others if there's okay, thank you.

Any other commissioners?

Yes.

Well no, just speaking of um how hard everybody's working and getting things ready for the agenda, they do seem to be coming out and being on the drive sooner, earlier and earlier.

Our goal still is to get and we were almost we're really really close this last time.

So the plan the last two, I think we were able to get on there so that you got them on Thursday.

Um and that still is the objective.

So we're getting really close to being able to get that.

It'll be easier after the bulk is there for the agenda and then um just quickly, so make sure we we we're good.

17 through 30.

So we're gonna hold 17.

19 is off.

22 is off.

You mean off the on to goodness?

All consent.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

Off consent.

I mean, that's what that's my note.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

No, I'm getting it mixed up.

Okay.

22 is off consent.

26 is off.

Yes.

Consent.

27 is off consent.

28.

29.

And 30.

30.

Okay.

Can I get a motion to adjourn?

So move.

Let me finish.

Oh, okay.

And uh we're gonna um excuse the um audience and uh employees so we can go into the executive session.

Can we take our break now?

You can take a five-minute break before we go to the executive session.

And I'm gonna have the I'm gonna have the chief join us for the question.

Okay, fine.

Thank the public for showing up today.

We'll take a five-minute break.

Thanks.