Council meeting.

I need a uh motion to suspend the rules.

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Tisdale.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel.

Any discussion?

All in favor?

Those opposed.

Motion carries.

If the clerk would read the revision.

To the policy agenda, we're adding 4A ordinance to amend Section 9122A of the code of ordinances pertaining to garbage collection and disposal fees.

Thank you.

I need a motion to accept the agenda as amended.

So moved.

Move by Mr.

Tisdale.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel.

Discussion.

All in favor?

Opposed?

Motion carries.

Mayor's report.

Yeah, thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Maybe Mr.

Mr.

Council.

Council President, thank you.

Welcome everybody.

I think this is uh we got some folks from our postal office here, and uh it's a great pleasure.

We're gonna be celebrating the 250th year of the of the Postal Service.

So if you someone if you're you know, all the people come on up and let me read this uh proclamation.

250 years, it's a long time, right?

So whereas the United States Postal Service has played a significant role in historical development of the United States of America from the establishment of roads, railways, airlines, and remains a vital part of the fabric building binding together the people of this nation.

Whereas under the universal service obligation, the United States Postal Service ensures that all people, regardless of who they are or where they live, have the democratic right to equal and affordable mail service, currently serving 169 million addresses consistent over the sixth and often seven days a week.

The Postal Service remains a vital source of communications, financial transactions, private and secure correspondence, mail audit medications, mail in voting, e-commerce packages and emerging opportunities for new and expanded services, all while being owned by the people and serving as the United National Treasury of and by for the people.

Now, whereas for 250 years, the United States Postal Service has faithfully served the City of Biloxi through the delivery of the B News Monthly, utility bills, essential government communications, and personal correspondence.

And the city of Bloxy gratefully recognizes, honors, and salutes the dedication of postal workers while affirming its support for a robust and thriving public postal service for generations to come.

Now, congratulations on the anniversary United States Postal Service 250th anniversary.

Congratulations.

Thank you, Mayor.

Move on to council reports.

Yeah, just a few things.

The sharp cook-off was was really good.

Great weather with the boat and RV shows.

Yeah.

Quick question.

The signs for O'Reilly Park and Hornsby Park.

Is any idea when they'd be done?

The signs for the parks themselves.

Yeah.

I'm working with the mayor right now on some designs that we're going to use citywide for our parks, and as soon as we can get that design complete, we're going to go to the parks that need replacement and get those signs replaced at those facilities and or parks.

Okay.

Did we ever ever get the other quote back for point cadet playground equipment?

No, sir, not yet.

Okay.

Not yet.

No, sir.

That's all.

Thank you.

Yes.

Mr.

Marshall.

I'm sorry.

What was that?

Back to me.

Come back to you.

Okay.

Mr.

Nail.

Uh, yeah.

Um, what about the splash pads at Hill Park?

Did we ever hear anything on them lately?

New County.

I think it's kind of late in the year.

Splash pads on, you know, I think the uh the county was gonna help us with that.

I see the the gravel and the concrete still sitting there a little bit.

Right.

Uh the county was helping us with it, kind of figuring out we had a major leak underneath that splash pad, and it's kind of in the same situation with the one at the point.

We're looking at what we need to do to repair it, whether we need to come back with some additional fixtures or just remove the damaged ones, and our goal would be to have that operational next summer again.

It's not an easy fix just to get it going for a little while.

You know, it it would be just eliminating the structures that wouldn't work, but you know that that's a big part of the splash pad, the ones that we did have to remove.

So it's kind of looking at options and what would be financially the best option to get those replaced.

And what about the painting of the uh pavilion at the end?

It looks like it's ready to be painted.

It is, and and I think once the cooler weather gets here, we get a you know, a little break in the grass cut, and it'll give us a little more time to free up to get that get that done in-house.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

Uh and uh um the broadwater property.

I think I think they told us a lot.

You said they were going to start cleaning it up.

Um they left.

Uh yeah.

I I did uh you know what they've done and what they have not done.

But I'll uh get a little bit more definition for the next I wouldn't mind getting a meeting with that guy and walking around out there and showing him some stuff he's missing.

Let me do that.

Yeah, definitely.

All right, all right, thank you.

That's it.

Thank you, Councilman Mr.

Creel.

Uh real quick, Jamie, just wrote no need to get up, but thank you and your staff for making that uh dog park uh what it is today.

We had an event out there this weekend with tire dog rescue, uh hosted an adoption event, actually adopted.

I think it was six dogs out there and um wave reviews on uh people that haven't been there over the years to get there now.

They love the progress, love the equipment.

Actually had a lady from Mobile bring her pet over and actually use the agility equipment and ran ran the dog through the equipment and was very impressed.

So appreciate that uh what you do out there, you and your crew.

So that's it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Tuesday.

Yes, I want to thank those uh members of the administration, Mayor Gillich, uh CAO, Rick Weaver, John Miller, Jamie Lee, Christy Labata, Walt, uh Walt Road, Roadie.

And I want to thank the council members, uh, Mr.

Gray, Mr.

Marshall, Mr.

Nail, Mr.

Creel, Mr.

Schumaker.

We missed you, Mr.

Glavin.

Uh Mr.

That didn't sound sincere.

For attending my ward meeting, and uh we had about 70 souls there, and and there was a a couple there who videotaped that meeting.

And at some point it'll I'll put it online at my website for those of you who missed it.

It was very informative, and this rarely happens, but occasionally uh and last night there were several folks who came up and said it was a very good meeting.

So thank you to the administration and thank you for my colleagues for showing up in support.

That concludes my report.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Tuesday.

Mr.

Schumacher.

Just a couple of things.

You know, I've been known to mention these a few times in past meetings, but uh drainage and ditches, I've continued to get calls.

I know Mr.

Weaver and I've discussed this last night.

Um so I know hopefully some um some some uh repairs and some um are coming soon, I hope, and then I have to leave it with this grass.

I've gotten multiple, and I'm being honest when I say that multiple calls today about grass and wool market.

Same issue last year.

Uh hopefully we can work something out because it is an everyday affair, and I know we discussed that, Mr.

Weaver last night, and I showed you some pictures, but hopefully I've been told we're short on some workers with public works, and maybe that's the truth, but hopefully we can do something because it's it's it's an everyday uh everyday issue for me.

Thank you.

That's all I have.

Thank you, Mr.

Shoemaker.

Mr.

Marshall coming back to you.

Uh very speeding.

For expedients, I'm gonna hold everything.

I'm I'm good.

All right.

Uh we'll move on to the uh citizens' comments.

What?

No, I have no, I have nothing, no report.

Um move on to citizens' comments.

We have a total lot of time, 45 minutes.

Um when you are raise your hand to be recognized.

Uh when you're recognized, come up to the front, sign in at the at the desk here.

There's a piece of paper, your name and your address, and state it clearly so the clerk can record it.

So we'll start on my left, your right.

Raise your hand, Mr.

Savestro.

Hello, hey, how's everyone doing?

Uh I wanted to be nice and say a few things.

Uh some of you, if you get a chance, drive around our neighborhood, the Greater Baloxy subdivision, see how many people have broken ground, how many empty lots have been sold, how many homes that were sitting are being remodeled.

Uh we just had uh gentlemen remodel a home and a couple moved from another state to take jobs working as professors in college.

That area was a drug area.

Amazing what you can accomplish together.

So many people thank.

Really done a lot to try and communicate between the neighbors and uh the officers.

They've all done a good job.

Somehow or another, they're doing their best.

It seems a lot better.

Obviously, the broadwater property is going to keep people coming in, but it's so much better.

And now, you know, we're running into situations where landlords are starting to say, oh, wait, I can get a lot, the house, and then tenants have been there forever.

They're not going to pay 600 a month anymore.

So we're starting to run into other problems, but I wanted to be polite and say it can happen.

We can do things together.

We can really like it's really starting to come together.

And uh, you know, Tara did a lot of work.

You guys, Dixie did a lot of work.

Mike's trying to stay there.

And uh just I know you guys have other problems with the budget, and just my own opinion.

Just try not to be stubborn and try and let outside people have voices.

There's a lot of people who want to volunteer to help, not necessarily picking up litter, but I was in the citizens' academy.

We had lawyers and accountants who wanted to kick in for a day or two and do stuff.

So there's stuff we can do.

Other than that, I wanted to say thanks.

And if my opinion means anything, don't give Nikkei brothers another dime.

They're the worst.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Sebastian.

Right, things are looking up.

Um else on my left?

Raise your hand.

Be recognized.

Hi.

Um, I am a homeowner of a house on Quarons Avenue.

And I just wanted to uh make mention there's a real derelict house that is a complete total mess.

I think it's abandoned, and it's 204 quarants.

I do believe I've called a couple times.

I do believe it's on notice for the city, but um it's really a mess.

Wanted to report that.

Thank you.

Anyone else, my left, your right?

Raise your hand to be recognized if you want to speak.

We'll move on to my right, your left.

Yes, sir.

Uh George Collins, I live in West Biloxi.

I would like to thank uh Mayor Gillich and the Council for recognizing the post office's 250-year existence uh today.

I believe we've gave uh a little gratuity to the council, if you will.

Okay, and I would like to present the mayor the same thing.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Hey, thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, ma'am.

Trust me.

I'm Marsha Floor.

I live at 609 Cops Street in Biloxi, directly behind me, and it's on the code enforcement as queue is property owned by Loxacam at 610 Howard Avenue.

Uh they have leased the property to oyster man.

It's got remnants of oyster cages.

The rats have increased.

I just paid $350 to have my house rat-proofed because of these cages that are located directly behind my house.

I spent a considerable amount of money on my backyard so that I would have a nice area to enjoy.

Now I have a wall of oyster cages directly behind my fence.

So if there's any consideration you can give me on this account, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thank you for your comments.

Thank you.

Anyone else on my right, your left?

Anyone in the back of the room?

Kevin, was that your hand up?

You're scratching.

Okay.

All right.

Citizens' comments is now closed.

We'll move on to the policy agenda, starting with the resolutions.

Chair, I entertain a motion.

Motion by Mr.

Tisdale, do I have a second?

Second motion.

Second by Mr.

Creel.

Mr.

Tisdale.

Yeah, this is uh this is for double A.

You're right.

Okay.

So this is um this is the garbage collection and disposal fees contractually.

Uh we're in a multi-year contract, um, which is arranged through the Harrison County Utility Authority, and this is an increase that's allowed within that contract.

The city doesn't get any of this money other than uh to pay for the garbage collection based on that contract.

Uh there's a slight administrative cost, I think.

I don't know.

13 cents on the 13 cents.

So anyway, other than that, that's all I have to say.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

Are there any other comments by the council?

There being uh call for the question.

All in favor?

First reading.

Council is first reading.

Oh, I'm sorry.

First reading, you're correct.

Thank you.

First reading passed.

Now we'll move on to the resolutions.

Resolution affixing the tax letting for the calendar tax year of 2025 for the City of Biloxi in the Biloxi Public School District.

Chair, I entertain a motion.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

We have a second.

Second.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel.

Mr.

Tisdale.

Yeah, at first glance, this uh budget is an eye opener, but again, these I'm contigu I'm continually reminded uh every year at this time.

A lot of the information we have is projected based on the current fiscal year, which doesn't end for another couple of weeks, and we won't know the figures until the books are closed on the the the month of September, which will be sometime in October, and then we'll come back for I can't remember uh conciliation, maybe would be a better way to put it.

Usually that's around somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas generally, where we actually close the books here in the financial office, and then we'll have an audit in the spring, and the cycle begins all over again.

Uh you're on A, right?

Uh I am on A.

That's correct.

The taxes?

That's correct.

All right, go ahead.

Continue.

Thank you.

I'm sorry.

As a retiree, I tend to talk too much.

But having said that, and looking over the past years historically, uh, we usually are very conservative in what we budget for revenue.

And usually we don't, or we have rarely, if ever, expended um more than we have budgeted for and generally less.

So having said that, uh I'm comfortable with the budget we have.

Uh I don't think it's going to get much better than what we have now.

No, we're on A.

We're on A.

Right.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

That's a Rosanna Rosanna Dana.

Sorry.

Sorry.

That's okay, Mr.

Tisdale.

Do you still want to uh I'm embarrassed all the way to heat?

Do you still want to uh keep your motion for item A?

I do.

Mr.

Creel, you want to keep your motion for item A?

Yes.

All right.

Uh continue, Mr.

Tisdale.

Thank you.

There's no increase in city millage.

Thank you.

I concur.

All right.

Any other comments on item A from the council?

Call for the question.

All in favor.

Those opposed.

Motion carries unanimous.

The clerk would read item B.

Resolution to adopt the fiscal year 2025-2026 municipal budget.

Chair will entertain a motion.

Sure.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

Do I have a second?

Do I have a second?

I'll make it.

Thank you, Mr.

Shoemaker.

Mr.

Tisdale.

I don't have anything to add.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Shoemaker.

I understand that the seven of us have a duty to approve and pass a budget for the fiscal year next year.

And I know countless hours, stress, aggravation time has been put in by a lot of people in the administration, President Gladman, a lot of people.

And I apparently we have come to obviously a shortfall this year.

But that being said, I think a lot has been done to rectify and get us moving forward.

I personally have some still have some reservations and some issues with some of the things that we've proposed.

Some big ones, uh the hiring freeze.

I think public works for certain, the police department for certain.

I think we're right now we're advertising for positions, and we're freezing these positions.

So it's obvious that we need people in these department, and that's just two departments, not to diminish any other jobs or any other departments.

That's just two that are constant um issues daily that we need.

And and again, not to diminish any other jobs or any other departments.

And I don't think that cutting the these positions out.

I mean, I know we can come back a month from now, six months from now, a week from the after October 1st, but I'm concerned that even if that's on the table, it may not happen.

And we know we need these positions now because we're actively hiring for them.

So I I don't know what the solution is, unfortunately, but I can't um I just can't fathom the thought of not having police and some of these other positions that we need.

Also overtime.

I don't know what what what's been cut out of overtime, but I'm confident that whatever we've included isn't gonna suffice for overtime just for the police department for the year.

So we're gonna have to make up a shortfall at some point on overtime just for the police department.

And look, that's on us.

A lot of that's events that the city's sponsoring or putting on, excuse me, and we're hosting these events.

We need them, I get it, we need it for the for the uh money, the tax base, but at the same time, we're putting a huge burden on the police department because they're gonna have to do a lot more with a lot less, and they're already doing that.

Public works the same way.

Um, Mr.

Creel's office.

I'm confident now that you I mean you've got a lot going on daily, and now you're having to take off, if I'm not mistaken, take on, excuse me, Arbor's position that we're not gonna fill in a historical director position, I think.

So that's two more jobs that you're gonna have to take over.

And again, I I know we can't I know we need to make cuts where we where where they where we can find ways to cut.

I just don't know that cutting all the positions is the right thing.

Um director pay raises.

I know we passed last year, the council approved director pay raises for last year.

I don't believe any directors got pay raises last year.

However, this year, there's some pay raises on the um board on the um agenda for that um on the horizon, excuse me.

Well, and I don't want to take money from anybody.

There was no no discussion whatsoever about employee pay raises this year.

We need to retain employees, we need to hire employees, and we're not doing a very good job of that because we're not giving pay raises and we're not taking care of the employees.

And I think the optics of giving any directors pay raises and not giving employees pay raises when we're cutting the budget to nothing is not a good thing to do.

I don't think we can do that and not have employees that we're trying to retain now what they think of that.

And I understand that well, true, and the directors are some of the not the highest pay, but some of the highest paid in the city.

And I just think that maybe that's another thing.

Maybe we don't give the directors, and I hate that because they're employees too, and everybody needs a pay raise.

I just don't know if that's something we need to do right now this year is give the and it wasn't all of them, it was only a few directors.

So I I mean I could go on with other things, but I I just for me, um, the the the police department, public works, the hiring freeze, the overtime pay, and the pay raises for the directors is is my not all my issues, but my bigger issues.

So for that I just won't be able to support it, but that's all I have.

Thank you, Mr.

Schumacher.

Are there any other comments on this topic?

Yeah.

You know, with us just coming in office July the first.

Yeah, we we're being held uh given a budget that we don't know very much about, and we're trying to learn what's going on.

And you know, I don't agree also with the budget being cut from the police department.

I mean, we know that it's police department is very, very important to the city.

I mean, we can watch the news here, we can see that the crime rate here in other cities.

We we don't have so you know, maybe we need to look at at our leasing where we leasing buildings out to other people.

Are we getting enough money?

Are there fair pricing?

You know, things like that should generate more income revenue for the city.

You know, maybe look at hiring a firm to go to each department and see where we can cut spending, you know, where we're overspending that things like that.

I I think that um something's gotta be done and you know right or wrong.

I mean, we still have to try to figure it out as a council.

That's all I have.

All right, thank you.

Any other comments?

Yes.

Allow me to speak slowly but surely.

Um you don't mind.

I don't know if I pass enough around, but can y'all pass it around so the mayor can also have a copy of it?

And uh I historically I hate to be sitting up and when I was not in the audience and the city council discussing stuff, they got papers on.

I never had a copy, but back in the back, if you don't have one, I got a copy of some papers you guys can look at so you can see the numbers that I'm referring to and how I'm referring.

Okay, by now you guys are probably familiar with me.

I'm gonna always say the quiet part out loud because I believe in being truthful, straightforward.

I am not a politician, I'm a citizen just like you.

These are my tax dollars.

All quarter of a billion of them.

Let me say it again.

All quarter of a billion with a B.

We have, if you look on the page one of all of this United States, this whole country in gaming revenue.

Is number five.

Number five.

I expect to be beaten, bested by Las Vegas.

That's kind of obvious.

Atlantic City, we don't have their population.

They've been in the game for a long time.

Greater Chicago.

Yeah, look at that's that's the Chicago said greater Chicago.

That's a big area.

A lot of different cities.

Big area.

Let's break it down.

On the Mississippi Gulf Coast, we receive one point five eight billion dollars in revenue throughout casino.

The Black City City Blue, they're not receiving now.

The casinos bought in to their pocket their pockets, one point zero nine billion dollars with a B.

Of that, you would see that the city of Belichick in itself.

I believe the numbers like 70 or 80 percent of that came through us or more.

Our casinos because we have eight casinos looking at us every day.

They are well ran.

Whatever they gotta do to sell what they sell, they do it, they market it, and they sell it.

They do a very good job.

You look at the revenue from the casinos at the bottom.

I'm only using 2024.

We're not through with 2025 yet.

But it shows you from 2003 all the way to 2024 to the right-hand corner under the green.

It shows you what we have received from gaming tax revenue when they are in other words, we're taxing the money they win.

We see 24 million one hundred and seventy-nine thousand and fifteen dollars in our pockets.

No other city on the Gulf Coast just that much money.

Free money.

We don't, we like to try to brag about the casinos, but don't anybody on this table or that table over there operate those casinos.

We don't do that.

They have their own people, they're out there getting their own money, they have their own sales teams, they they do everything themselves.

We are purely reaping the rewards of their fruits and efforts, and I praise God for them.

I thank God because if by chance you remove their revenue, we will have nothing.

I broke down according to the cities, what each city is doing.

The purpose of this is my point is we have what we consider in the business field.

We have a bleed, B-L-E-E-D.

If you take that and turn it into your anatomy of your body, if you walk into the emergency room and you're bleeding everywhere, they're gonna work on that bleed.

When your blood is out, you have nothing.

You're gonna stop the bleed in the corporate field.

We do the same thing.

When a CEO comes before a board and they're having trouble financially getting their books to work right, which we are.

No one here is gonna tell you today that that our budget, that we our books and our budget is Christine pretty and perfect.

They're not gonna say that.

If they do, they're gonna be challenged every which way but loose.

We all have problems with this budget.

There's just we're spending we're projected to spend more than we're taking in, even though we got all this money coming from the casinos.

That means we have a belief, we have a five we have a financial problem somewhere, which means we have to identify the problem, fix the problem, and not pass it to the next person or the next group and hoping they do it.

If you look at the revenue for the city of Diabloville on their property taxes, they have only 5,220,000.

Baloxy has 22 million dollars in property taxes.

If you look at the next, you have their sales.

When I say sales, which means that their net sales, but they're getting directly into their coffers, they don't get the whole 7%.

What they get in their coffers is 10 million 910.

They only have 13,399 people in the whole city, citizens, compared to Biloxi has 48,000 people, and we only bring in 22, 14,000, 14 million dollars in revenue and sales tax.

Sales tax for those who are trying to figure it out is when you go to the store and you buy a carton of eggs, gallon of milk, shoes, socks, shirts, clothing items.

When you go to the hardware stores and you're buying nails and things like that, everything that you would need that has that seven percent on it, they're getting a piece of it.

That's called revenue.

That's how they're paying their bills.

That's how they're able.

With our 30 million dollars worth of casino revenue, they're able to give their people raises.

The things that we're asking for a little signs on our parks.

They don't have those problems over there.

We're actually for little signs on cutting our grass, they're able to keep their grasses cut.

Where's this extra money coming from?

If you look at the numbers on page three of their 10 million dollars in sales tax revenue, they only have 13,000 people.

That equals $814 per person after their 7% is broken down that their city puts into their coffers.

That's not true.

They're not doing it per person.

If you look down further, you see Ocean Springs.

Those numbers look good.

Dear citizens aren't doing $500 ahead per person.

The per capital is per person.

Their citizenship.

If you go down to Govort, their citizens are not doing 388.

It drops way down below.

If you think about it, 388 compared to 814 for the other room.

Now we're going to talk about Balexi.

Let's see how a sales tax of 14 million.

We have 48,000 people here that we have to serve.

We only have 309 dollars per person income coming into our coffers.

Compared to Diablo, if you look at those numbers, they're saying they have 814.

What's misleading about it is your bleed is the fact that we take our dollars that we need to pay our people, our raises, we need to get to our police department.

We need to get to our fire department.

We need to fix our parks, get our signs in our parts.

We have city councilmen run out here spraying weed killer because we give our money to another city.

The numbers don't lie.

They're there.

They're telling you that.

We if we don't change or do anything different, this is gonna continue to grow and grow and grow.

This does not come to a positive end.

The reason the budget stinks is because we have a bleed.

We are bleeding.

I didn't say we're dying.

We are bleeding.

It is our unhealthy bleed.

We have to fix the bleed.

I have a question for the mayor.

And if you look at historical numbers, this is how this is your action.

We started in the July, August, we're trying to predict what's going to happen at the end of uh uh 20 actually 930, 2026.

Historical year before year after year starts.

There are uh actions that more revenue, less revenue, more expensive, less expensive, uh, that we have historically outperformed the budget.

Therefore, we always historically saw it with more fund balance than we did as we predicted it the year today when we're predicting for September.

That's year after year after year.

Uh, and one point I wanted to make this data right here.

I can make before you, when we talk about wages and salaries from 2021, that's just going up about 10 million dollars, and that's all wages and salaries.

So to say that uh these revenues, and again, a billion dollars worth of revenues always generates about another 50,000 population over the course of the year based on visit toads.

It's not without cost that these uh the biggest winner out of that one billion dollars that translates to $1,220 million a year in taxes at the casinos pay.

Thank goodness for them.

But 80% of eight are of that $120,000, $120 million, 80 million of it goes directly to the state of Mississippi.

$3.76 million of the remnants for it goes to the Barkley Public Schools.

Another $3.76 million goes to Godport, uh Long Beach Pastor Christian Harrison County.

So that's whittling down those things.

You know, a number of millions of dollars goes to uh the county public safety.

And so the remnants are shrinking down.

That's what when uh you know rubber hits the road, we're working on a couple of things in order to service and provide service not only to the citizens, but also to our visitors.

So I mean it's you can't paint a picture without considering the cost of us you know supporting the visitors.

Now, again, we've done some things to uh you know we minimize what we had done in the past.

Where uh when you when we say freezing, uh uh every year we've actually forecast uh for the following year a number of vacancies, and that really extorts, you know, really uh makes it distort the uh the the ending balance.

But this is I think is a more accurate uh picture of what how we need to budget.

But again, year after year after year, for 10 times.

This will be the 10th time I'm working on it.

We always outperform the budget, and things happen again, good and bad, but those adjustments at the beginning of the we've always been in a better shape at the beginning of this year than we were predicting it at the end of uh last year.

So uh I think the bleeding, you know, sure can can stop and we can do some things.

There's a lot of things we did.

There's a lot of things that can be done as far as uh uh over the course of time.

We have buildings that are 10 and 20 years old now and things are breaking down.

We did the bond work and we did some pretty extensive uh you know uh upgrades to our to the uh um facilities like AJ Highways Park and and some of these other things that uh bond is help us out in some refinancing of a lot of things like reducing uh the Sharker Stadium as well as utility authority uh uh uh rehear refinancing that bond saved us neighborhood of you know 300,000 a year.

And uh uh they're doing we take those actions as they're as they appear.

And we're anticipating again, we talked about a 10 million dollar bond uh servicing a lot of things this year, because we do anticipate a little bit favorable interest rate, and we've been very uh uh very shrewd in what we've done.

And that's why we have a double A minus credit rating, the only city in in Mississippi with a double A SP, SP uh double A credit rating.

So uh that if you Google them, it'll tell you that's a strong commitment to meeting financial commitments.

And I mean that's it.

So we we do every day try to uh put us in a better situation.

Not I don't call it stop the bleeding, but you manage to manage the situation.

Okay.

I did not get an answer to my question.

I I thought I answered you the question was are we stopping the bleeding?

We stopped the bleeding every day.

Okay.

Okay, let me let me rephrase it so that we can be clear that we are talking about the same thing.

Councilman, I'm not gonna be going back and forth.

So try to make it.

Okay, so we're not going back and forth, sir.

I do have a floor.

I would like to speak.

And I gave him an opportunity to answer a question.

I have the right to answer to ask questions.

But we're not gonna go back and forth several times.

Make your point down.

That is my point, sir.

And he didn't answer my question.

And I just stated he didn't answer my answer your question, you didn't like his answer.

So if you want to re phrase it, go ahead.

But let's let's move on.

Actually, I just said the same thing.

Let me ask another way.

Yep.

Okay.

I was specifically speaking in reference to sales tax.

No, you specifically see not sales tax.

What you you were talking about stopping the bleeding, which is specifically we're talking about you're talking about sales tax now?

Let's talk about sales tax.

What do you want to know about sales tax?

Okay, let me go back over it again.

Okay, we have a bleed.

The bleed is simple that we're spending money in the Idoville and other cities because we don't have the retail here.

I ask you specifically, sir, what is it that you have in this budget to stop that bleed?

That's why I went over the numbers.

Let me finish.

I went over the numbers of showing you the sales tax.

All the numbers before I asked you the question was about sales tax.

It's working down those sheets.

The sheets we went through is about sales tax.

So that is a source of revenue.

The casinos, we cannot make them do any more.

They're doing good.

I appreciate them.

We're trying to find revenue for our budget.

This is a budget decision, not just a budget decision.

This is over a quarter of a billion dollars of citizens' money to say.

Are we talking about sales tax now?

Are we talking about overall revenue?

Tell me what you're talking about.

The question is sales taxes, which you began this question for, okay.

How do we improve sales tax?

Is that what you're asking?

How do we get our sales dollars to stay here?

Do you have anything in this budget or plan to do that, sir?

Well, again, more retail development.

Some of the things that already popped up is some of those developments we have like rouses.

What do you think that's gonna add to the sales tax uh revenue?

Uh Chick-fil-A, just out there.

Those developments are are keyed on by infrastructure and some of the things we put in place so you can attract more retail business that that does things.

And you can look at a lot of opportunities that were missed to the IBM when it comes to car dealerships.

We don't have we have one call car dealerships, they have eight.

Okay.

If you talk about bleeding, a lot of a lot of people buy cars over there.

That's one way to stop the bleeding, get get four or five more car dealerships here.

So the question was, what are you doing in this budget?

What are you showing us that you're gonna fix this problem?

We are going, we're not increasing our sales revenue the way we need to.

What are you doing to get to say, hey, this budget is is showing potential.

I just mentioned the new retail opportunities that we have it.

You have to do that in order for the generate sale tax revenue.

We've been very creative and work with the uh SMPD and these other folks in order to enable new businesses to come in survive.

And let's as far as reputation, if you are if you're a new business, Biloxi has the best reputation around about helping you get these things going.

And that's what we're doing.

It all generates the services and then taxes related to those services.

So if you want to call that stop the bleeding, it's not stop the bleeding.

It's make a better position for retail development.

That will stop what you call the bleeding.

Okay.

So basically you're not saying anything.

Okay.

All right.

Next thing.

Do you have any idea?

Can you explain to me?

I'm I'm on I'm lost to what we're gonna be doing with this.

It looks like it's making our budget look a little bit better, but exactly what projects are we all outlining to say where this money's going.

All right, we've got a number of buildings, like the police fire, the the Lopez, the the center, the the public safety building, that requires about a 1.3 million dollar roof.

Is that what it is?

We've got about 15 generators that we buy.

Uh that is uh about four million dollars worth of that?

Okay, that's eating up that 10 million.

A number of those things that are uh multi-year, you don't want to pay for all you don't buy a house and pay for it in one year.

So bottom line, though we've spread that cost while it's borrowing the money, and we anticipate pulling it at the at the right rate in order to minimize that cut cash flow.

Those are the kinds of things that are multi-year trucks, big trucks like dump trucks and vacuum vacuum trucks that you know you don't expense it all in one year.

It's a multi-year, so that's how we uh estimated that we should spread that cost over multiple years.

So I got we're gonna buy some trucks, we're gonna borrow money.

We we're borrowing money.

That's it.

Okay, because the reason why you borrowed money, because you need it, you don't have it.

So we're borrowing No, it's not because we don't have it, because it's the best way to cash flow it.

Okay, so we're borrowing money to do you say 1.8 million for uh for one building.

So that would be a number of buildings, number roofs.

Uh the old brick house, Rachel, you helped me out.

There's a number of opportunities, but it's all related to multiple year uh cost to uh put these uh these things back in operational.

But uh the generators, we then put we hadn't uh I guess replaced generators in them in a bunch of years.

Uh but since Hurricane Katrina, a lot of things are there.

We use a lot of money maintaining them, whereas new things and again things like fire trucks.

Uh we did a little bit of lease lease situation, but one fire truck that used to cost 500,000 hours now cost 937,000.

So that's what that was in uh you know our estimation of of uh the best way in in in conjunction with our accounting and some of these other uh uh uh opinions that this is the best way to do this.

We're the citizens of uh of Biloxi.

If I went to the uh a bank to borrow 10 million, and I ask somebody to co-sign for me, or sign on with me, bringing this together, and I gave them that answer.

You think that it will still go on with it?

Well, I know I know why they do pay attention because we got a double A credit rating.

Okay, what kind of crazy?

Yeah, you do you should do, you should have uh idea.

That's why we can do this, and you can look at at uh standard reports and look at these uh uh uh Raymond James.

We have a about $50 $50 million capacity to borrow.

I understand that, but I'm trying to find out.

I'm simply trying to find out what we're gonna do with 10 million dollars.

I just kind of told you you want to read all of this.

Okay, sir.

Uh I'll give you this.

Develop the fire trucks.

I'm gonna skip down to that.

Uh before I do that though, the uh the singer theater.

The audio video.

I'm here and I'm here, and we're gonna put a possibly put a million dollars into that for the audio video.

I don't know.

I don't know who's telling you that.

But just I want you to tell me so we'd be clear.

I'll I couldn't believe you would do that.

So okay, what we're waiting on right now is the uh Sanger carpet.

I think we're weeks out, Rachel, ten weeks out.

Okay, and that's uh about 70,000.

The rest of that 200,000 that we will offset by raising fundraising will be related to lighting, uh the stage uh set up as far as overhead uh uh production things, as well as the uh audio part of it, not the not the video wall that could be as much as two or three hundred thousand.

But we feel like this will put us in the business very sure as soon as the carpet's ready will be in the business, and then uh whatever additions we put would be offset by uh fundraising, friends of the Sanger.

Okay, what I'm asking, sir, is are we getting ready?

Is the city gonna have to pay for this million dollar?

No, no, not attended to.

Sir?

No.

Okay.

So this is we're not we're not coming out of the budget.

This million dollars.

You're not gonna come back and say we need this million dollars from the million dollars.

You get the million dollars.

Okay, whatever it is.

What do you say?

So what's left is just the audio visual and the carpet.

That's what's left.

Then we open the doors.

How much is the audio visual?

We have two hundred thousand in that budget already.

It's already in the budget.

It's in the budget.

It's in the budget this year.

So your the amount of the budget that we're talking about now includes how much for the audio video?

We have we've got budgeted to do those things that I just mentioned, 200,000.

200,000.

And I think we spent 73 on the carpet.

We haven't spent it yet, but when we we must I'm only asking about the audio visual.

That's our master plan.

He answered your question.

He said 200,000 is in the budget.

He thought he said it's for the carpet buying the audio visual.

No, he's saying carpet and everything, yes.

I'm only asked about one part.

73 of the 200,000 is for carpet.

The rest will be pointed towards audio speakers and lights.

Okay.

All right.

On the uh the uh is she here about the budget?

The uh on the proceeds from capitalization.

Can you that's the 10 million dollars of proceeds, 10 million dollars of the proceeds?

I see it for 6.6 million proceeds from capitalization.

That was uh capital projects for vehicles, is that some of the leases on yeah, capital leases on the vehicles financing for capital leases on vehicles.

We're gonna spend six point six million dollars just on vehicles, that's all it is.

Who's that talking?

Can she come up here?

I need to know.

Can you come?

I need to know.

I see what it means.

What do you need, Ms.

Marshall?

Well we'll speak I need to explain to me what you know the six point six million dollars.

It's trying to just find it out.

That's all.

That's a basis.

Two million of it is for a ladder truck that was ordered last year and has a 48 monthly time.

Another approximately two million is for two engine trucks that will be ordered next year, and the difference is for vehicles for the water sewer fund and the general fund.

Okay.

So basically for the fire probably buying three vehicles on order.

One is already on order, and the one that will be ordered this year will not arrive for two years.

But because the expenses up top, you have to have an offset below, because that is intending how we're gonna finance or pay for it.

Okay.

And we're buying all these fire trucks for what reason again?

For what?

To replace all the old right.

Um they have a team here.

Do you want to do that?

Do you have anything to do with the ratings?

Yes, sir.

It does?

Yes.

Okay.

Can you come explain the ratings to me, please?

Yes, sir.

And that would be on for those who have the seats.

We're going to page four.

Yes, sir.

So what question typically have about the rating?

All right.

So we're buying all these fire trucks.

That's going to help us to get what kind of rating?

It's this guy is currently at a class two rating.

We're clear.

We have the goal to get to a class one, yes, sir.

Okay.

City that's two.

Yes, us and Gulfport are only two cities in the state of Mississippi that are currently at a class two rating.

Okay, what's the purpose of getting to that one?

That one, it is a it's really uh the bigger part of the class one is to sort of sell the city that we provide the highest quality of service to investors in the city, like sales tax revenue of big people who'd want to come in and invest in the city.

That's like your bigger cities listed, like Houston, San Antonio, and things that nature, mobile, is for that.

Okay, does it does it?

I've been told it's gonna help the uh lower the rates of insurance.

Is that true?

It's mostly on the commercial side.

So the homeowners going home a two to a one.

Would it help our insurance at our homes?

It'd be minimal to the homeowners.

What do you call minimum?

It's statistically driven.

So there's not an exact formula to say they would get this exact amount for a homeowner, but it's mainly to entice business to increase sales tax revenue into the city to promote growth within the city.

It's saying that us as a fire department have the infrastructure, personnel, and equipment to provide the highest quality service to the citizens and the investors who may want to come and invest within the city to increase that sales tax revenue.

So the Aberville has a four.

Yes, sir.

And they're bringing in obviously based on the numbers, they'll they're kicking our buttons bringing in business.

Are you I don't know about I'm are you talking about the class rating?

Right.

Talking about business ratings.

Class rating, there's there were a four.

There, yeah, that's worse than the two.

Huh?

That's worse than the two.

Right.

But there's not it's not slowing them down from bringing in business.

We're trying to find out we spend a lot of money on fire trucks and we're cutting the police department.

We're spending money, we're cutting him, but we are helping the fire department.

I want to help them both, which means that why is this city of all the cities on the Mississippi Gulf Coast having trouble taking care of both of those two departments?

But we got to choose between the two, which one is gonna benefit the citizens better?

Uh I'm not saying that we don't need them, but we do need them both.

And it's embarrassing that with our eight casinos, we have to see you and have this conversation.

But here we are.

The question is, if we spend this two million dollars, can you guarantee that we're gonna be a warrant?

No, we can't guarantee if we spend this two million dollars.

Will the homeowners see a significant savings in their insurance?

No, but they'll save it in service.

No, they're saving it in service.

Yeah, we're we're providing higher quality of service to the citizens and the visitors of Biloxi.

So we're now trying to save their money on the insurance.

I've been always told that we're gonna be saving them money on the I think I heard the mayor say that before too.

We do save saving money on insurance.

How much is it as it can possibly get?

How much is the difference?

If we don't spend two million dollars, would it will it change the numbers?

Yes, as our trucks go out of service and their 20 years of service life expire, we will begin to lose our rating, and that will cause an increase in the insurance premiums.

Yes, sir.

So a five to a one would make a difference to the homeowner.

Yes.

Do you know how much?

No.

No, sir.

I couldn't give you that exact number.

You I don't know if anybody can give you that.

If we didn't buy those trucks this year, where we took that money and we saved our police department, would it make a difference?

Yes, because it'll push back delivery, which will then require uh trucks that will begin to get out of their service state to begin to depreciate in uh points allowed by the ratings.

Okay, and how are you staffed?

We're freezing people, things like that.

How are you staffed?

We're what we're responding, we responded uh the highest number of people to a call or fire alarms and structure fires, but in the state Mississippi.

Okay.

All right.

So you can't guarantee that we're gonna we spend this two million dollars.

You can't guarantee it's gonna give us the one that we need.

No, we no, because that's done by a third-party agent.

That's done by the ISO rating bureau.

Yeah, they had to come in and re-audit us for that.

Okay.

Okay, so we can't guarantee it.

We're just taking a chance.

Two million.

I know it is a guarantee that it'll keep our rating out of two, and it is a guarantee that it'll keep that the pre it'll keep the insurance ratings down, but there's no guarantee that it'll move you to the first class one fire department in the state of Mississippi.

That is not done by us, that's done by a third party ISO.

Okay.

All right, I need to ask the chief of police a question.

Sir, okay.

Uh are you fully staffed?

Uh no, sir.

So you short already.

Take a 1.9 million dollars from your budget.

Does it help you or hurt you?

Well, obviously, that's something that's that's we we don't like certainly it's it's there'll have to be some changes made, yes.

So the question was, does it help you or hurt you?

Well, it's not gonna help us.

Okay.

So if you were able to, as a department, able to go out and do everything you need to do fully.

Fighting crime, protecting the citizen, would that lower the homeowner's insurance?

Uh I don't think so.

So our homeowner insurance is not based on you what you do.

I I don't if we eliminate crime and block, I think you'd still homeowners' insurance may go down some, but I think you're still gonna have homeowners insurance.

Oh no, I'm not trying to eliminate it.

We're trying to help save on the numbers.

I can't I can't answer that for you if it would go down on it.

Okay.

So the next step is we're cutting you 1.9 million.

One of the richest cities in the Mississippi Gulf Coast.

Okay.

Are you paying your officers enough?

That's what I'm saying.

Uh well, you know, I'm gonna say no to that because I think that police officers aren't paid enough anywhere.

So my answer to that would be no.

Okay.

All right.

So I appreciate you.

I thank you.

I do I do believe officers need to be paid more.

I don't believe in cutting you.

That's that we're gonna cut something.

That should be the last thing on our list.

Thank you, sir.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

I have several other things I needed to go over.

I'm not gonna go over because of cost of time.

Uh we're looking at a budget from the richest city in the Mississippi Gulf cost, the world's blessed city of Mississippi Gulf Costs, and we're looking at them, looking at a budget that just we can't hire arbores.

We got one man wearing four and five hats doing obvious work.

We have a uh CAO who's doing I mean I I thank God for this man to be honest with you because he does everything he supposed to do plus.

Every time I call them around, he's the man making sure we get the trash picked up.

This is the CAO, chief administrative officer.

And we're saving money by working him like that because we don't have the staff to do it.

We're cutting every city employee in this whole city, and we're one of the richest cities on a Mississippi Gulf Coast, and we're supposed to be okay with that.

I'm not ever gonna be okay with that.

And if you say you're not gonna, you're gonna freeze, you're gonna freeze hiring.

That means that if someone is working in a building or in a park and they're already short, two or three people, and they're already doing the extra work, we're not even paying them enough, then we're also gonna go ahead and and uh add more work to them for how long?

We don't know how long the hiring freeze is gonna last.

So with that in mind, I think it's a bad budget.

I don't think it just the promise that we're gonna work on it later and fix it later.

We hadn't been fixing all these years.

We're gonna be serious about it, be serious about it.

If you're gonna play with it, don't ask.

I came in with a clean slate.

I want to leave with one.

Sir, thank you.

Anyone else have any comments?

All right.

Uh on average, uh going from a two to a one.

If you Google it, it says it saves about two percent uh for the homeowner.

Okay.

Um appreciate again everybody's hard work.

It doesn't stop with passing a budget.

I think everybody understands that responsibility.

And um, wherever this goes, we're we're going to have to roll up our sleeves and do our job.

So appreciate the mayor, appreciate all the council members, the directors, and all the input that we've received from our community.

Uh all in favor, all in favor.

Those opposed motion carries four to three.

Next item.

Resolution denying a request for a zoning map per minute to authorize a change in zoning for a parcel of land from our S10 low density single family residential to regional business for 105.3.

Excuse me, Pennoak Drive.

Mr.

Shoemaker, the chair will entertain a motion.

And I'll make it.

All right.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel, Mr.

Schumacher.

Yes.

Uh Director Creel, do you mind just real quick if you don't mind just giving us a quick rundown on on this particular request?

Okay.

We have a we have a map.

I'd just like to put up, I think it does a great job explaining it.

Uh the property in question is the one in red now.

Everything that you see on this map is on single family residential RS10.

And the owner of the property in red was requesting uh a change to go from RS 10 to RB, which is the most intensive business zoning that we have in order to put in a boat and RV storage facility.

We had a number of the neighbors that came out to oppose it.

And uh one of the main reasons they were opposing it was because uh I think they would have had a different approach had they known that it was going to be for the residents there to store their boats, but it's actually putting a commercial uh uh operation right in the middle of a single family neighborhood.

And uh the neighbors were concerned that there would be people coming from every direction to store their boats there to store their RV there, uh, you know, uh creating damage on their roads and those kind of things.

So I think the planning commission, they voted unanimously to deny.

I think they made the right decision.

That's right, yes.

And and real quick, if I may thank you, uh Director Creel.

And I've said it before up here, and I know the council has a um fiscal responsibility for the city, obviously to make money and tax money and to get sensible and smart developments.

And however, I do think this project would be.

But with that being said, I've had a multitude, probably more so objection to this particular development than anything since I've been on the council thus far.

Uh so with that being said, and and and like Director Creel said, it's it's one wanting to put one business in the middle of a huge, huge, huge uh residential area.

And that's all I have.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman.

Uh are there any other comments on this item?

Any other comments?

Call for the question all in favor.

Oh, excuse me.

All in favor of denying all in favor of denying.

All opposed.

Anybody abstain?

I didn't see everybody's hands.

Okay.

Motion to deny, passes unanimous.

Next item.

Uh consent.

They have a motion on the consent.

I'll move it.

We moved it.

Mr.

Shoemaker, all right.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Mr.

Crewe.

Mr.

Shoemaker, you got the floor.

Just a question on H.

That's the uh landscape maintenance for um Shucker Stadium.

That's $500.

And I know it I've read it in certain months of the year we pay, it's get gets cut every other week.

Some months of the year it gets paid weekly.

But is that $500, regardless of how many cuts it is?

Okay.

That's all I have, and thank you.

Thank you.

So on F.

Is that already budgeted?

It is budgeted, and we use the money actually comes from from uh a lease agreement that we had with Harley's at the beginning of the new at this budget, and the Harleys could not be ordered.

So we had that money in the budget.

Oh, good.

Perfect.

So it was for vehicles, it just wasn't actually and this is back to earlier the discussion about getting a truck because the cars aren't available, so you just that you gotta go with the bill.

It's already outfitted and ready to go.

Perfect.

Perfect.

All right, yes, sir.

That's all.

Thank you.

Any other council members have anything they want to add?

Mr.

Creel?

Good question.

Yes, or not.

I favorite contractor.

So is this an addition to did has did we just come across saying we needed this or did something occur to where we needed this?

No, we we realized that it wasn't in the contract for them.

This is a casing for the water line, and we realized that it wasn't in there and we needed it in there.

Okay.

It wasn't fault of me cases.

This is what we've discovered.

Just trying to throw that saltpaw up there.

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you, Councilman.

Anyone else on my right?

Any council members have anything else to add?

Yeah.

Can you anyone on my left?

All right.

Hey, Jamie, can you come up?

I guess you're over this, right?

The roof for an auditorium.

Can you explain what this is?

I've been having a lot of phone calls about this, but I want everybody else to understand why we need this.

Well, there's a lot of people.

What item?

What item is it?

Huh?

What item?

E.

E.

Okay.

Roof on an editorium.

Right.

That was that was one that was previously submitted to the council a few weeks back.

But when it came down to it, the contractor who submitted the bid mistakenly left some things out of that.

And so in order to get an apples to apples kind of quote, we put it back, put it I coordinated with engineering and and had them assist with us looking at the quotes to make sure that we were comparing the apples to apples.

And this company was the lowest once we got the second bid.

So it was something that we were going with.

And it is in, I guess, to answer your question, Councilman.

It's it's the roof over our pump room, which encases all of our plumbing heaters, uh, filters at the Natatorium.

And over the years, you know, chlorine is harsh on a facility.

And the metal roof, I I don't think it's ever been replaced since it was put in back in the 80s.

So it's something that we really need to take care of.

And then, you know, future there will be another where a tree hit the roof that we got quotes on to get repaired as well.

Right.

I I just want everybody to understand why that was in there.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Yes, sir.

Thank you, Councilman.

Anyone else on my left have anything?

Mr.

Nell?

Uh on C.

Um, we only have two items that we're going to auction off.

I know I know in the future you said that we're going to have a lot of lot of things on there.

But I was thinking all the trucks that we have sitting out there just parked and idled.

Don't we have to pay like um tags and insurance?

And they're not even being used.

If they're in surplus out of there and no one's using them, then we're not doing this insurance for self-insured anyway from those.

Those are things as you and I discussed earlier.

We're gonna go in and do a citywide sweep of all the surplus property.

I've already talked with Chief Miller on those, and we're gonna take a look hard look at what we've got out there and also at public works of moving those items and getting those surplus and getting them out of here.

So next time we'll have a whole list of stuff, not just two.

Yes, that's the as the game plan.

Multiple times during the year, too.

So that was the reason why we did this plan.

I'll still say a public auction, you get more money.

I'm surprised you didn't buy these.

That one, sir.

All right, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Nell.

Anyone else?

Any items on the consent?

All right.

I'll call for the question, then I'll ask for the exceptions.

All in favor?

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Any exceptions, Mr.

Mr.

Gray?

Mr.

Marshall.

Mr.

Neil.

Mr.

Creel?

No exceptions.

Mr.

Tuesdale.

I'm voting no on A and B.

A and B.

That's it.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Thank you, Mr.

Tuesday, Mr.

Shoemaker.

No exceptions.

All right.

Those are the exceptions.

We'll go ahead and open up code enforcement hearings.

Mr.

Crewe.

Item A on the agenda.

Sherry Jones, 535 Peyton Drive.

That case has been resolved.

Item B, MAS Limited LLC 202 Veterans Avenue.

That case has been resolved.

Item C, Mitchell and Associates Inc., 211 McDonnell Avenue.

That case has been resolved.

Item D, Rushmore Edgewater Exchange et al.

2650 Beach Boulevard.

This property is still in violation, but we'd like to ask for an extension until uh October 20th.

I'm sorry.

Chair entertained a motion for an extension until October when?

28th.

29th.

Do I have a motion?

Question.

Question by Mr.

Creel.

So how how long?

Excuse me, how long has it been in infraction?

What I talked with Monty Luffy today, he manages the Edgewater Village.

And what it is is that they had the new furniture store that moved in there, and they're trying to work with a furniture store to get this under control.

They do have some overgrowth there, but the main thing is the boxes that the furniture comes in.

They're just not adequately don't have a dumpster there to take care of it.

But he assured me if we would grant him an extension, they'd take care of it.

Okay, and it's 30, is it 30 days?

Is that what you get?

Uh over 30 days, yes, sir.

All right.

Mr.

Tuesdale.

Yeah.

Jerry, 2650.

Is that Edgewater Village?

Edgewater Village, yes, sir.

Okay.

So this is this is that service alley behind Edgewater Village, okay.

And then that the grassy spot on the left photo, that's to the west.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's all.

Thanks.

All right.

Chair entertain a motion to grant an extension until the 29th of October.

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Tuesday.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Mr.

Shoemaker.

Any discussion?

Yes.

Mr.

Gray.

So this is so they they need a new dumpster?

Is that what they need?

No, that looks like they need a larger dumpster or another dumpster there.

Uh again, Monty told me that this is specifically for the furniture company that just moved into the middle of Edgewater Village.

And uh everything that they get comes in boxes.

So he's working with them to try to get this resolved.

Yeah, I mean, I don't see where they need over 30 days to get a new dumpster.

They should be able to call a company and get it out.

I can't support this now.

Okay.

All right.

Any other comments?

President Glavin.

It was the 28th, not the 28th.

28th?

Yes, sir.

All right, 28th, more or less, 28th.

You know where they can get a dumpster.

Wayne?

Yeah.

Oh, just check.

All right.

Uh call for the question.

All in favor of granting an extension to the 28th.

Opposed.

Motion carries 6 to 1.

Item E, TLGFY LLC 384 Park Avenue.

This property is still in violation.

Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of TLGFY LLC 384 Park Drive?

There being no one, this case is closed.

Item F, Betty Portitious Estate, 358 Lee Street.

That case has been resolved.

Item G, Salt Ridge, Capitol LLC, 222 Banaki Avenue.

That case has been resolved.

Item H, Yuan and Zan Wynn, 360 Lee Street, that case has been resolved.

Item I, San Huang, 351 Holly Street.

That case has been resolved.

Item J, Larry Jones Jr., Zero Hudson Crone Road.

Uh we're asking for an extension here till September the 23rd, which is the next meeting.

I'll make a motion.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Tisdale.

I have no other discussion.

Any additional discussion?

There being none, call for the question to grant the extension.

All in favor.

Those opposed.

Motion carries.

Next item.

Item K, Brandy Ann Broadis.

316 Santini Street.

That case has been resolved.

Item L, Sydney Roy Langson Estate.

333 East Drive.

That case has been resolved.

Item M, Michael Peter Rossick, 816 Lackland Drive.

This property is still in violation.

Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of Michael Peter Russick?

816 Lakeland Drive.

Lackland Drive.

Great Street.

It's a great street, Mr.

Crew.

I reside on that street.

All right.

There being no one, this case is closed.

Item N, Nadine Gentless, 220 Strongy Avenue.

That case has been resolved.

Item O, Lick Vin and Thouwat Done, 1215 Lee Street, that case has been resolved.

Item P, UN and Zan Wynne, 380 Lee Street.

That case has been resolved.

Item Q, Loxicon LLC, 610 Howard Avenue.

This property is still in violation.

This is the case that the lady spoke of earlier in the meeting.

What's happened is this is a vacant lot directly behind her house.

You can see that the furniture here at the front is actually her backyard.

And the owners of that adjacent property came in and built a structure right down her property line, and they're storing crab traps there next to it.

So certainly this meets the definition of public nuisance.

Is there anyone here to uh speak on behalf of Loxicon LLC?

Somebody in the back.

610 Howard Avenue, if you would come on up.

You'd state your name, address for the record.

Address is 610 Howard Avenue.

Would you like to speak on what's going on here?

So I was just helping local oyster farmer try to have somewhere where he can conduct business and store his oyster uh equipment.

We have started making some improvements at first.

It was just everywhere.

We know it's doesn't look good on the city.

I don't want to, you know, be a burden on the city or anybody driving past and seeing a bunch of moisture traps or um oyster crates.

So we started building the cages.

So we started building the cages if we need to move them off and put a privacy fence just looking for a little guidance on what we can do so you can continue the business and store his uh oyster cages so we can Mr.

Creel, would you be amicable to uh discuss this a little bit further to see if they could relocate these uh oyster cages?

Okay.

First of all, the property's not zoned for what they're using it for.

That's the first violation involved.

They put in a structure without a permit.

Uh it doesn't meet the setback requirements.

So realistically, this shouldn't even be happening on this piece of property.

Is there any could they move it to another part on this property, or that's not an option?

It's just not zoned.

All right.

So how much time do you have to relocate, remove these these cages so you'll be in compliance?

What does it take to rezone?

What is it going to take on the property?

That'll be a whole different ball game.

I don't think you have enough.

You'll have to relocate whatever's on there, then you'd have to uh request rezoning.

I don't even know if it if that would be even possible.

Gotcha.

Okay, you're gonna have to remove them or you're gonna be cited and they'll be removed for you, and and and that expense will be tacked onto the property.

So no storing of any type of marine equipment, is that what it is, or what's better has to be structure on the property.

It have to be a home or or some kind of like a metal building.

Uh cannot have an accessory structure on a piece of property unless you have a principal structure there, meaning that you can't build a shed or a holding facility unless there's a house on that property.

Even if there were a house on this property, what's being done there would not meet the zoning.

The zoning prohibits it.

But speaking to the microphone.

Uh seven six oh eight hours, right next.

Uh recovery one property, it's hard to do this there and so we miss one piece of property right.

All right.

Mr.

Chisdale.

Um, the old saying in Biloxi when they had oyster shell roads, even though they smelled a high heaven in the summer, folks remember that's the smell of money.

Uh it's no longer the smell of money.

That being the case, I'm assuming where wherever this might be located, there's gonna be an odor, it's gonna draw rodents, apparently.

So you've got to find a zone where that is a reasonable factor or where that's considered.

I would have and I'm no zoning expert, but uh Mr.

Jones, this man right here is a zoning expert, and and he could give you better options in what's possible than any of us up here.

So that being the case, I mean work with you as much as he can, but zonies gonna be an issue as well as a few other factors.

He's familiar with them all.

Thank you.

Is there is there any uh does anyone want to make a motion to give some kind of reasonable time for them to remove these items?

How long how long would it take you to remove and relocate these items to to an area where it's legal?

How long you're gonna have to give me a time?

I can't give you unlimited time.

Chair entertain a motion if we make that motion for 30 days.

All right, Mr.

Tisdale, do we have a second?

I'll second.

Second by Mr.

Shoemaker.

Good luck.

We want to help you out, but we gotta be uh respectful of our zoning and and the neighbors in that neighborhood that depend on us adhering to those zoning laws.

All right.

Uh all in favor.

I'm sorry.

That's what I was asking.

Okay.

All in favor?

Opposed.

Motion carries 30 days.

Item R, Kathleen B.

Harrison, 182 Azalea Drive.

That case has been resolved.

Item S, Mary Bell Hutcherson, 338 Maple Street.

This property is still in violation.

Is there anyone here to speak on behalf of Maybell Hutchinson?

338 Maple Street.

There being no one, this case is closed.

I do have a question.

Before we close out, uh Mr.

Creel, Mr.

Jerry, Creel, Mr.

Creel.

I um I spazed out a little bit, but on A, what happened on that?

So A was resolved.

I went by there this morning and they were finishing up the weed eating on it.

The only thing we had them cited for was overgrowth.

And uh the guys were still out there weed eating and they got it all cut.

So they resolved the issue that we had cited them for.

Okay.

Have you talked to the neighbor to see what the other issues are?

Uh no, sir.

We do know that uh on one corner of the house there's some damage there that needs to be repaired.

Uh they did pull a building permit six months ago, and nothing has been done, so we'll we'll pursue that now.

Okay.

Just wanted to make sure that you know it was it was getting resolved.

I did get some calls about that one.

Okay.

Thank you, sir.

Well, I got a question on that same property.

All right, gentlemen, I just want to point out I'll give some leeway, but in the future, once we've closed our uh agenda, we're gonna move on, but we'll go ahead and give you some uh leeway there.

The the windows on there, I mean they're not fitting in.

I mean, it's what what can we do about that?

I mean, it's a that's a nuisance to the neighborhood.

I've got calls.

I know Mr.

Marshall's got calls.

Are you saying the windows are kind of out of scale with the rest of the house?

Well, they don't fit in the in the hole.

Yeah.

That that'll be what we'll pursue the next time.

If there's uh uh a place where uh rodents or raccoons or whatever can get inside of there, we'll we'll address that.

All right, yeah.

Sorry about that, Ms.

No, you're good.

I'm just trying to make sure we move along smoothly.

Uh chair entertain a motion to for the routine.

So move moved by Mr.

Tuesday.

Second, second by Mr.

Creel and Mr.

Tisdale.

Uh I don't have a question, thank you.

Um I will have to I got a question first on I guess it's um section three B.

Um did we figure out who owns this property?

I know it was at the last the Baptist Church was saying they didn't own it and if I'm not mistaken, at the last code enforcement there was a question where the Baptist Church was qu uh questioning ownership.

We got we got David Wheeler working on that to find out who owns it.

So do we do we vote on to assess that assessment until we get that ruling back or how does that I don't know how that works?

So if I understand these these were on the code enforcement and then it moves to the routine, so you can take the appropriate action that's correct to whatever we voted to clean it up or or what have you.

Yes, it's just a formality here.

Yeah, but then we're gonna we we're gonna do a special assessment, but we don't know who the owner is to assess.

Is that the way those assessments go on automatically?

They they are determined by by coach.

It goes on to the owner.

It'll be on the parcel.

On the parcel, yes.

Yep.

Ultimately, eventually somebody will claim the parcel or it will get transferred or sold, and at that time at the closing, they'll they'll pay for that assessment.

Yeah, perfect.

Thank you.

Oh, good question.

Oh, oh no, no, I'm good.

I'm good.

I was looking for uh Hurricane Katrina Walt.

Mr.

Rhody.

Good afternoon, council.

Hey, how we do it?

Yeah, good.

Oh, I'm sorry, sir.

How much money?

Currently we have 751.7,000 in the Mississippi PA website that's in step three of five.

It's been there 14 days, which is getting kind of long.

Uh that's step three of five is where the governor's authorized representative for MEMA uh approves the funding, so it starts moving down towards us.

I did call MEMA, our uh point of contact here in Bluxy last week, and uh asked him to run it up his chain of command to uh up through to the GAR to get those funds moving.

They haven't uh moved as of meeting.

We have another conference call with them this Thursday, and I'll be bringing it up again.

There's a transition going on right now, the GAR, which is a second in command of MEMA.

He's retiring.

There's a new one coming on.

Maybe it's a transition issue, maybe they're just busy.

Uh, but it will be brought up again.

Sir, thank you.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Mr.

Mr.

Neil.

Um we did when we did the um extension on to uh knee case brothers for uh um camellia street.

When is there when is there supposed to be dirt through with that?

Well, what we actually did uh councilman, if you remember, we did a uh a weather a weather, yes, sir, for the entire uh project, and we and I mentioned that at that time that we're gonna come back to uh the administration with an extension for Camellia Street and Southern due to um the design issues that were out there.

We uh are gonna recommend 45 days.

If council approves that 45 days, then the project um date will be November.

I believe it's the 26th.

Uh I have to do my math on it, but I believe it was discussing with my staff this morning.

Um I believe it's gonna be about November 26th around that time frame.

Well, it's a calendar day contracts, they can work seven days a week.

Um they work no way no days a week right now over there never there.

Yeah, you can see a little bit they do, and then you go back and they're gone.

They must be doing it at night.

Uh somebody uh will let you know if they were doing that.

They're not it's it'll be coming up on them.

Uh they've got some about a bit today.

So we six days ahead, is that right?

No, sir, not at this time.

Uh because Mima has to press that button.

Okay.

With that will keep us 60 days ahead with that 650.

Is that not right?

Yes, and okay, that's all we need.

Thank you.

All right.

Gentlemen, and Ms.

Mr.

Tisdale has got another question.

No.

All right.

Uh gentlemen, this is a routine agenda.

We need to stick to the routine business.

However, since we deviated a little bit, uh, let's let's continue for a second or two.

So on this one on the contract extension, proposed contract extension.

That Camellia Street is part of BEA 123.

The yes, sir.

The end.

So uh the the revised completion date for BEA 123 is somewhere mid-October.

Correct.

That was the the latest.

Right now it's October 12th because of the weather days, and um when we come with the recommendation to add 45 days, it will push it out to late November for the entire project.

Let me jump in too at this point.

There was digital engineering we had some discrepancies on what was supposed to be versus what was done on highway 90, and that's the genesis of this uh the this discrepancy.

That's correct.

I guess I think you answered my question while from understanding you probably when we do that extension.

If we do the extension for Camellia Street, that extends the revised completion date all across the project, not just for that section involving Camellia Street.

Yes, sir, because so they the crews that they would use to work to finish uh Camellia, they uh are working elsewhere right now.

I'm sure somewhere and they will need that uh crew to go over there and do uh Camellia Street.

So we look at that as uh for the entirety of the project and not just uh one area which is BEA3.

So that would end so that would affect the paving for Beauvoir Road, highs an hour drive, all those same cra all those lateral streets, if that's the correct term into high highway 90.

Yes, sir.

As far as uh the time for them to do it, yes, sir.

But there's nothing that uh is stopping them from doing it.

Right.

They can complete it before then they just have to be done by then.

Yes, sir.

Okay, it's just I know Beauvoir Road, as you know, came up the ward meeting last night.

All right, thank you.

Yes, sir.

All right, I'll continue.

Uh any uh Mr.

Schumacher, any out of order discussion you'd like to have?

None of any uh anyone else, any out of order business?

Okay, thank y'all.

Uh call for the question to approve the routine agenda.

All in favor?

Those opposed, chair entertainer, motion to adjourn.

So moved by Mr.

Tisdale, seconded by Mr.

Creel.

Mr.

Tisdale, you got any comments?

I try.

Yeah, thank God.

All right, Mr.

Creel.

Yeah, just one quick comment.

Uh no meeting next week, but uh we'll be at the Margaret Sherry Library for an hour from five to six, just for uh impromptu ward meeting for ward four, uh scheduled three between now and the end of the year, so it will be the off Tuesday of the month from five to six at Margaret Sherry, with the exception of November, uh due to observance of Veterans Day.

All right, not related to adjourning, but thank you for those out of order comments.

Anybody else?

All right, all in favor?

Those opposed?

Motion carries.

We're adjourned.