Go ahead and call the meeting to order.

If uh everyone would please stand uh for the prayer, and if uh let's have uh Mr.

Creel do the pledge Jamie Creel to do this pledge.

So if you bow your heads, uh Heavenly Father, we gather tonight as a council and a community, grateful for this opportunity to serve the people of Biloxi on this epiphany, better known as King's Day, as we recall the journey of the magi seeking truth and light, may we too seek guidance, clarity, and humble discernment in our duties.

Grant us wisdom to listen respectfully, courage to make just decisions, and compassion for those we serve.

Help us to act with integrity to seek the common good and to shine light into every corner of our city where it's needed the most.

Bless our city leaders, staff, and all who contribute to the well-being of Biloxi.

May our deliberations be marked by civility, patience, and a spirit of service, guide our conversations, illuminate our judgments, and foster unity as we work together for a brighter future.

Amen.

United States.

One nation individual liberty, justice for all.

Thank you, everyone, for uh taking time this evening to join us uh for this uh first meeting of the year.

I need a uh motion to suspend the rules.

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Tisdale, second.

Second by Mr.

Creel, any discussion?

All in favor?

Opposed, motion carries unanimous.

The clerk would read the revisions.

To the routine agenda, we're adding a docket in the amount of 45,493 and 73 cents.

Okay, do I have a motion to approve the agenda as amended?

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Tisdale.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel.

Any discussion?

None.

All in favor.

Those opposed.

Motion carries.

Move on to the mayor's report.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

And we have a lot of smiling faces here, so happy new year to everyone.

And uh you might notice a tie here.

It's the first first of every year I'll wear a tie.

First meeting of every year.

No socks, but still.

But uh, I would say I want to make the pleasure to present a certificate of appreciation to Wendy Lowley.

Congratulations.

So the outside world can hear how much we by the authority vested in me by the people of the city of Biloxi.

Wendy Lally is hereby awarded this certificate of appreciation in recognition for your contribution to the City of Biloxi Street Committee.

A tough job.

Thank you.

We love you.

Appreciate everything you've done.

Thank you.

And that concludes my report.

I'm just kidding.

Christy, take uh the helm there.

I think we've been requested to give some updates on a couple of projects that we've been uh struggling through and working through.

Uh we're gonna begin, I think, with uh uh the most current uh status of uh our peer.

And it's hard to to see that, but that represents uh what we've been trying to accomplish since 2020 with a mitigated project uh from Hurricane Zeta.

It was the first opportunity, and we can provide some printed uh pictures of that, but that's the 800-foot pier as designed to be mitigated, but it will be bid both ways when it comes to as it was versus as we've proposed in it.

Again, I made an update a while back about we made a couple of trips to Washington with FEMA about the Hurricane Katrina uh restoration projects as well as this Hurricane Zeta project.

This was the again, I think this is the third time we've been to repair this period, right, Christy, uh since I've been in office.

Uh repetitive damages from storms and near misses.

Christopher, I think did some considerable damage, but we would not get any kind of uh uh help in repairing it.

But this was the first opportunity to present and to do a repair that in in uh that includes uh concrete pilots, flow-through decking, all stiffened uh structure, as well as a 320-foot breakwater that would not only uh help the erosion but also protect uh uh the pier over the years.

So we're hopeful that this project, as it was estimated, I think 4.2 million, uh will be the last time we have to worry about this pier.

But the story is on how this thing got started and how we are and where we are.

Uh CMO engineer was engaged to come up with the concept and the design.

Again, that's uh we can provide some apprentice copy there of the actually the project.

Again, it's an 800-foot peer, and uh this will be uh the first move that MEMA or FEMA uh actually gave us was to let's determine what the cost of the peer would be to install it as it was, with the concept that if it was a million dollars or a million or two, we would get an additional 1.2 million to put towards a project that we would not have to continually repair.

So in my thinking, we designed let's let's design a project, and there are other sources that we could match up, as well as for my port money.

That's where the original one million that was asked about in the uh initial uh when we got the engineering firm started or engineering design started.

So uh we would actually put this uh a number of funding sources to wind up with a four million dollar peer.

Over the course of time, since 2020, when it's began, we have submitted uh uh again a C-More engineering submitted the cost of the as was project, and we've actually iterated, iterated with FEMA two sets of appeals.

That at first they reduced it to 665,000.

Our second the result of our second appeal was eight another uh another 800, 858,000.

So now if they approve when we submit this uh mitigated design for final busing, we're hopeful that that eight eight hundred turns into 1.6 million, coupled with another million or other sources that we could possibly get from Thailands to put this peer that will never have to be uh messed with again.

Now, where we are, I think some of the questions were you know how much work is done.

The design engineering is nearly complete, ready to submit.

Uh and it's the the bid is uh actually submitted in in the ways that can we can bid as it was versus uh as it was mitigated.

Now when it does come to bid and actual contractors give us the uh real prices, the reimbursement will be based on actual prices as bid, not as guessed upon over the last two three.

That's kind of hard to understand.

But it may am I accurate, uh Christy.

And this is uh so that 1.6 million may turn into more than that.

But the cost would be more than that.

So it might be a five million dollar period by the time it's but it'll be backed based on actual price.

It's kind of a hard concept to grasp.

But the way we're proceeding is that we're gonna bid it and we're gonna find out what they have agreed to actually mitigate the what we've in, you know, other uh I think other restoration projects along the coast have got uh millions, maybe 1.2, 1.3, but with that same technology.

I think the Long Beach and uh Waveland, they're using concrete pines, uh uh doubled up on uh stainless steel fashioners, flow-through decking.

But I think the uh the addition of this uh breakwater enhances the project even more.

But based on the value of engineering that we could do, if we don't get enough, we can maybe back off on one, it may be cheaper to do more pier with that technology or then less breakwater.

So it all is you know, once we get the uh approval to bid from uh uh from FEMA, we'll move that forward.

And I think um it takes about three months to go through that process.

We're ready to bid bottom line back, all the we're about to we'll be ready to bid uh we're gonna submit the mitigated plan to to FEMA on uh mid-January in a few weeks.

We hopefully we'll be betting, we'll be getting approval of the mitigated uh project and put it out to bid in February, mid-February.

That's pretty much what we thought, right?

Right?

Uh so it's February, not January.

February, January will be we'll submit the mitigated plan to FEMA for approval.

Okay.

And by mid-February, we'll understand we'll we'll give the should be given the approval to put it out for bid in February.

That'll take two or three months for it to come back for for contractors to bid on it.

Eight to uh ten to twelve months to bid it to actually construction.

Mayor.

All the permitts, let me say some all the permits are are still in place, right, Christy?

So there's no road box other than uh what they uh what other of these this plan they will accept.

Mayor, do you have an idea depending on which version we end up with, what would the city's obligations monetarily be?

I know we're going for FEMA reimbursements and all that stuff.

Okay.

But that less than two million.

That doesn't that does not mean we coming out of our pocket for two million.

Two million was our part of uh whether it's go Mesa or uh you know, uh other places we can't fill that in.

So then uh kind of ask it uh again, what would be the general fund obligation, not counting Go Mesa or Tidelands or whatever.

I don't think it would be a general fund obligation, it would be a port authority.

That's a port, that's a port fund.

It would come out of our port fund.

That's right.

Okay.

And so we had some interaction with the Secretary of State and some of the things that you know it's it's common throughout the whole coast on what has been happening, and you know, the price of everything marine, uh, we argue with them, you know, uh, about even dredging to get our equipment in it.

That was a big argument, and they finally allowed us about $80,000 to do the dredging to do the project.

I mean, it has been a nightmare over the last two years and two hard fought of appeals.

And I know we made two two trips to DC regarding and and and top people in in FEMA reporting this project as well as the what's remaining on the uh Katrina infrastructure project.

So how much money how much funding do we currently have tangible?

1 million ninety-seven thousand is in a project.

We've spent 188,000.

So that's not in addition to the 300 for the CMO engineering or that the budget was 300, 360 for the engineering of the four million dollar project.

Okay, and so I think.

Did I say million?

188,000 is year to date, project to date on that.

Out of the port of the port harbor's that's important to know that's an enterprise fund.

So it's not that is not exhausting any of our general fund for for our operation expenses.

That's right.

So the m the 1.97 minus 188,000 is sitting in the project.

I think that was a budget 197.

1 million 97,000.

Right.

And it's so it's sitting in it it's tangible.

We we have that money tangible now.

Yeah, that could be the other money is what we're submitting for and requesting to to fully fund the project.

Right.

We so yes.

Okay, the project is if the project is 4.2 million, we're sitting on we're hopeful that we got a million, and we need hopefully another 1.6 million.

Okay, so that puts us the difference would be uh unless we can get things from uh like uh the other cities have done.

We're not asking for two million, three million.

Whatever it takes to us to complete, I think we're a million in.

So the difference between a million and two points two point six versus the four million is what we're gonna go after.

But I'll to answer your question, Councilman.

I don't think we're gonna hit the general fund for anything out of this.

Okay.

Have any of this funding that you're talking about?

Is it just we're gonna apply for or is it something you know is coming in?

No, we have to apply for it.

So we're having a guarantee, so that would it could be turned, we could be turned down.

We we can be turned down if we're asking for go Mesa or or if some of the legislative operations in that instance, what do we do?

What do we do is if we got a port bond that comes in every year to the tune of 1.87 million dollars?

We could commit some of that to uh to offset a a loan to get this thing done.

Can you see a 4.000?

You say 4.2 million.

Well, let me say the the 2.4 million.

Okay.

That comes in every year for the port.

So the port, this is a port authority or you know, put uh uh a 44 project, the the port is itself, it's a enterprise fund.

So the money will not uh it'll become the commitments of the you know the port financing.

So my question, I guess I got now I got two questions.

Is uh you saying that the port authority is gonna get uh a bond in for two point four million.

They do this every year.

Every year.

Okay, what did they do if it last year?

How much is anything else over from last year?

Committed projects.

So how much of that 2.4 million that is already committed yet?

This next 2.4 that we get is it you know, we get it twice a year.

Every quarter.

So wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait.

So it's not 2.4 million a year, it's 2.4 million every quarter.

That's a big difference.

Every quarter we get a payment, and it squares up to whatever is equal to a mill, an equivalent mill.

Is that not right?

Okay, let me ask you that's money coming in that we could commit to for the the for the shortage.

Okay, I'm good.

I'm gone.

Um Mr.

Tuesday, or you I could comment on that.

Mr.

Tizia come back to you.

No, this is the this is uh the port I'll call it uh allotment from the county.

We get a mill every year.

That's correct, Peter, for the port fund from the county.

It's the equivalent of a mill every year, which is about two million give or take.

So it could be two point two or one point eight.

And we get those in quarterly payments.

And usually the last payment, then sometimes there may be a uh a set what we would call a settle up payment if the value of the mill increase that year or whatever it's but basically uh when that comes in it's put into the port fund and as projects come up for repair of the ports and piers and things like that that comes out of the port's enterprise fund.

So that's that's a guaranteed revenue stream.

I think roughly I want to say it's about 440,000 in the past, 480,000 each quarter.

You can find it.

You'll find it.

Yeah, and that's 2.4 million.

Wait, wait, let me let me say this uh along this excuse me first.

I think there's some loan that the port settles to out of that figure.

So then I think some I think some of that money is uh not the two point four, it's less than uh whatever and as a check is minus the the debt service for the port uh borrowing that's correct.

There's some debt out there that's tied to that.

That's correct.

So tracking out all the debt.

First of all, let me be clear.

Um I'm probably missing it.

You're probably saying it.

I'm just not hearing what I'm looking for.

You're saying 2.4 million is divided among four payments.

The four payments together with equals two point four million, not four two point four million payments.

That's right.

Okay, of that two point four million, which is approximately, okay, how much is already committed, how much is left over?

We've not committed anything to future payments, to future revenue.

So this is gonna be future revenue 12 months out when we actually have to pay for that.

So we can commit that revenue as it comes in to service the to pay for it.

Okay, even committed.

Last year, how much of it was spent?

Uh I'm not sure it's committed to different projects that that the port of hand.

Are these projects ongoing?

Yes, they're ongoing.

So that means they're gonna be ongoing next year that you're trying to commit to the project.

Yeah, but we're not gonna spend it.

That's already committed.

We don't have to spend any more than we've already done.

Some project.

This is a new project that the potential source is the port authority bond bond that we will be receiving every year.

Of the 2.4 million, how much of that are you are we able to commit towards this new project?

This is a this is a project that needs that needs funding in if we're short a million, if we short two million, we can actually commit uh whatever we want.

If it takes two years, it's gonna take two years to spend it.

Okay.

So if we get our 1.6 from the federal government and we get uh whatever other other source that actually not in this legislative session, but maybe the next.

But when we need it, we can be we'll be uh using that as a revenue source to uh to fund the project.

Wait a minute, go back.

The question I guess we I I'm thinking I'm hearing you want to know how long this project is gonna take, because it's been going on for a while.

Ten to twelve months, wait.

You start off, I heard one year.

You're gonna take about a three months to get it bidded out.

So we're talking about one year to construct.

Ten to twelve months to construction, three more months to bid it out.

It's 12 months been one year for a long time.

That's right.

Okay.

So one year.

So now you're gonna take this money 2.4 million.

If we don't have the money, so we're gonna go back this week for another year to do the 2.4 million.

That's just a yeah.

It comes in every quarter.

2.4 million come every quarter or about 400,000 every quarter.

You get through a four quarters, you're gonna get it roughly about 2.4 million.

So that's one year, 12 months.

Been that way.

Okay, now after those 12 months, that peer is not done.

We still don't have the financing.

What do you think?

Go to the next year.

I'm looking at a funding source.

There's there are other ways to use that revenue as funding for this project.

So I wouldn't worry too much about the the shortfall between what FEMA gives us on based on the actual bid, because nothing's gonna uh whatever we need is gonna be based on actually what a contractor will say they will do this for.

So it's just uh mayor that's a conjecture to talk about the shortfall at this point.

We don't know how much the shortfall is, but I would guess we'd be ready, uh two million dollars from our end from the port authority to build this peer.

Now, if you don't want to commit to it, that's you know that that's uh problem.

Now the problem, but you you can't build a four million dollar peer without funding.

We understand that, but we just got to nail down the time frame.

We also try to nail down, we don't want this to be an open time and open source of the funding.

So in other words, there's a blank check and a blank time, so we just try to narrow it down.

Uh so quick question.

Uh back in real quick, Councilman Crew.

Based on the funding of this, that's why Mr.

Levant is going to have that based on the contracting is going to be like an ad alt.

All right.

If we do this, this is the cost.

If we do this, this is the cost.

This is the cost.

That will be able to allow us an opportunity from this council budget that we have, and the council budget that we'll be going into to be able to then take a look at how are we going to budget this, which will answer your questions, Mr.

Marshall.

As far as for the budget for the port, that's the budget that you approved earlier this year.

So those are the things that the council is already approved on there.

If we have questions about any of the projects that are going on, after this meeting, you and I can sit down and we can go back through last this current year's budget and take a look at it and see if you have any questions.

I would be more than open to discuss that with y'all.

But those are the things that are going on right now.

With that quarterly money, it will but come up to approximately 2.4 million that we work from those.

But as we've developed this project, the first thing we've got to do is figure out how much it's going to cost us.

And we won't know that until we bid the project.

So we get multiple things.

And if we know that we're not able to either go and get titling money, no ASA or anything else, then we scale back the project to where we can actually fund it and get this project built for the citizens of Biloxi.

What's in place right now is two point in my understanding if we're successful.

We got 2.6 million in a hand committed to from port towards uh the uh a project that may be as much as four million dollars.

I know Director Labata's patiently waiting, but uh Dr.

Tisdale had a question, I believe.

Do you still have a question?

This Dr.

Tisdale.

All right, Dr.

Shoemaker.

Okay, I quite honestly I forgot the question or two I was gonna ask.

But bids, and this may be a simple answer, but what about getting a bid ahead of time?

Then we would know what the peer cost.

Couldn't we get two bids for the two different projects, and then we would know what money to ask for?

That's what uh uh Rick was saying.

Uh our CIO was talking about the alternate bid.

We're gonna bid it as it was, and as it and alternate bids, so we can build the different bits and pieces.

So it's gonna be build it as it was and build it as as an alternate uh situation, so you can build as much as you we could we could probably build it as it was as it was without any choice, but we don't want to do that.

The whole idea is to build something and we never have to worry about it again.

So it is gonna be bid both ways in February once we get to committed, and it'll take three months to evaluate that.

And that that committals coming and we don't know if we're gonna get 100,000, a million or zero.

We don't know that, correct?

How much we're gonna get?

No, but we do know if they if they we know we're gonna get at least eight hundred and fifty-eight thousand dollars.

Okay.

We initially they discounted some of these things that we uh appealed two times because that was one point two million as we as it it first came out.

So, but we know I think I'm comfortable in saying we can get 858,000 plus the million we've already got committed.

If we get another 858,000 against what the overall project and how we put the alternates back back together to spend whatever we think we need.

That's kind of it's kind of complicated because you know that's how FEMA and me all it is.

But once they get back with us, and we think that'll be sometime hopefully in February, middle of February ish, that we'll know something.

We'll submit submitted for bid.

Right.

And the bid documents and everything are set up so we can bid it just as we set it, and then it's gonna take three months for the bids to come back and evaluate that, and then we move forward.

Then the commitment the will be will base for the mitigated items will be actual.

So that 1.6 maybe 2.5.

Right?

Right?

Right?

Mr.

Creel.

So I don't know where to start.

Um so uh so question um the the FEMA money that that is under appeal.

No appeal is already done.

We so we won?

We've got $858,000 to work with.

Okay, so one five two million.

Not one mitigation appealing.

As as was costs.

Different issues.

Okay, so the mitigation appeal happens when.

Well, we've been we haven't really appealed because they haven't still been in discussions and we haven't gotten an app.

I don't believe that mitigation request yet.

No, we got to submit the submitted things to them and we meet and we talk about it.

So I I believe you said we started this project at the beginning of uh the conversation was 2020.

The hurricane was 20 November 2020.

22 is when actually engaged.

That's right.

It was September um May 13, 2022 with the projected start date of September 2022.

So I I I get that.

So my question is we are in January 2026 and we haven't if we have the port payments coming in once every quarter, if we have the one million ninety-seven minus 188,000 intangible money, and and why why didn't we bid this out last February or the February before?

Why why are we just four years later?

Because let me let me say this and I'll use some uh insurance.

The the delay, depose, and deny.

That's the every time you ask a question, you answer a question, they come back with other questions.

That's why we've been in in at least 18 months of this appeal process.

And uh and again, now I'll spend uh we've two trips to DC to get this, and we finally got at least an answer.

And uh they whittle it down because this piling is is over over so many agents, and it wasn't all Zeta damage.

I mean it was it was a a task to get this final second appeal, second and final appeal.

So at this point, you know, you're losing the value of the most iconic peer, and I'm telling you, all of our senators, all of our uh uh representatives uh uh uh is elf, Congressman Iselle have been through this with us and and they're on board.

Come to some uh assistance here.

This is the since uh 1848, this peer has been here, the most iconic peer on the coast.

Well, it's now it's a proposed iconic peer because right now nobody can walk on it.

Well, anyway, as part if you don't want the funding, let's let's go if you don't want FEMA's help, that's what we need.

We need their help, just like they're helping everyone else.

I don't want to get on you know on it behind the the curve on what we need to do, but it's so valuable, just like anything else that's valuable to us, we've got to put every effort.

So bottom line, it took two years to get an appeal to get the final appeal.

And and you know, we were we're lit down to a million nineteen, I think, and we said, okay, take the pilots, just give me the money, we gotta put this back in business.

Now, so as councilman uh Marshall said, it's gonna be uh 18 months before we walk on that pier.

But we're gonna be walking on it, and we'll be walking in order for many a year.

So it's worth the effort to try and whittle this down to where it's affordable from a uh you know a number of different uh money sources.

So, Mr.

Grove, we get we got 1.6 in the bank.

No, we got a million in the bank.

We've got to move we've got an assurance that we could get at least 858,000 from FEMA to put the peer back as it was.

So but time but let me let me say with the opportunity to get an additional eight hundred and fifty-eight thousand dollars to do mitigate to mitigate what we're putting back into the peer.

Right.

So hopefully we'll never have to build it again.

Right.

So within a year, we can we'll have almost four hundred million.

I mean four million with the two point four in twelve months, correct?

The plus that that'd be one point one uh three point four million.

Well, we got a million and we'll get two point four.

Well yeah again.

And then we're looking at probably 15 months to to build it through everything, correct?

Yeah, it to the time that if we take 10 to 12 months after determination of uh who won the bid, and this is actual prices.

Now we put it together.

We got to have the sources to to actually do that.

Right, right.

I mean, I uh I'm just saying this.

I mean, it's your yeah, what you're I think maybe what you're trying to say is we got one million now, and then in a quarter, we'll have four hundred something thousand.

So in a year we'll have two point four.

So we're looking almost almost three million dollars by the time this gets done.

You don't have to have you you don't have to have the money before you start the project.

You have to have a uh budget to do finish the project.

You're not gonna spend it.

You know, that there'll be so much mobilization, there'll be so much uh monthly uh construction, and that's when you need the money.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm I mean, I'm just you know, hopefully we can have the money and FEMA I'll be able to be able to have all the money without having to wait another two years or four years.

Well, the weight again, the weight was depending on you know, not letting FEMA just do the things that they've done to us.

Right.

Mr.

Creel has uh that's all I have for response.

So one million eight fifty-eight eight hundred fifty-eight thousand, right?

So if you so if you add one million plus the eight fifty-eight, you got one point one point eight five eight.

In my hand.

All right, with the possibility of another eight hundred and fifty-eight thousand.

So that'll put us at two point seven.

Six, yes, yeah, right.

So we'll can we not build build it for that?

Yeah, but it'll be it it'll be it'll be like it was a peer that could blow away the next arm.

Yep.

I'm gonna uh can present yep.

Going back, Mr.

Grill, again, we've got two different peers designed.

What we're gonna do is take the basic peer, get that price, and then build until we get the one that's got the next, I mean the ultimate peer.

So you're going from a Caprice Classic to Alexis.

What you do is as you build through that, that's why we do an ad alt.

Because now they'll tell us all right, we instead of 350 foot of the rock, now we can only do 200 foot, or we can do 100 foot.

But they'll give us the pricing as we go through that as we're able to bid those.

Once we get those bids, then we actually know what we're taking a look at.

Yeah, and this 2.4, that's in the budget that we discussed last year, and it's gonna be this budget that we discussed this upcoming year, that you'll be able to see how that money is utilized throughout the port commission.

I'm not even counting that money.

I got it.

But as we move forward, those are going to be the decisions that we have to make.

But the first thing we got to do is figure out how much this thing is going to cost us.

And that's what the mayor was saying.

We'll have the design done.

Once we get the design done, then we'll be able to submit that.

I've talked with Mr.

Seymour along with Christy and the mayor, and that's what we decided to go out for bid with was with the ad alts of here's where we're gonna be, but what can I get?

How much is it gonna cost me extra?

That will never I can build it from the basics, but why can't I try to get a little bit better if we have the funding?

If we don't have the funding, then we won't go a little better.

But that'll be at that point in time when we actually know what the cost is.

Right.

But the design was done in 2022.

Now the design is still finishing it up.

No, the design started.

That's when the process started.

Then we had the eight ten months of FEMA.

Yeah, no, no, but not the funding, the design of the peer has been done.

No, yeah, yeah, the design of the that pair has been done.

The design of the pier has been done.

That was done in 2022.

So I think we can all sit up here and and you guys have been here a lot longer than I have, but I think we can all sit up here and realize where we are with the Katrina FEMA money and how we're waiting for an appeal there, and we're we're hoping to get 11 million dollars and an appeal there.

I I'm not in favor, and I can't speak for the rest of these guys, but I'm not in favor of hoping that we get something and starting to design this pier and build it with the hope of FEMA coming across with some more funding, and then we have to go to another appeal and another appeal, and it takes us 10 years.

That's what we're doing.

We're four years into into the bidding.

That way we know that we can build this whenever we bid it.

If it's a basic peer and we got to build it back, let's build it back.

If we can add to it to make it more resilient, then we'll do the resilient portion of it.

But there will be an increments as it comes in, and what can we find at that point in time?

Uh I mean there is no hope.

Let me chime in first.

Design is good.

Here's the money that we're not gonna spend.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Let me let me just chime in a little bit.

And yeah, there's some new councilman on on this uh council that hasn't went through the the process.

So as it's been noted, uh we had damages in 2020, not just to the White House Pier.

We had damages to all of our harbors and ports and everything that that we needed to repair including this one we didn't we didn't think we couldn't build it we could it had the damage happened in 2020 you can't expect reasonably to rebuild that pier in 2021 and maybe even 2022 so we started the process of saying how can we build the pier that be will be resilient and that will weather the test of time and these storms and we're not rebuilding it every other year and that's why this process has taken this long we didn't think it would take this long but it has we've had work through a couple of administrations on the federal level uh on the on this money they they looked at it and as the mayor said they they delayed it reviewed it uh they didn't do uh give us some timely uh reports and we're patiently waiting thinking we're gonna get the answers and we're not getting them timely for us to move forward and build the pier we're now at a point that we we're trying to finish this engineering plan that we have a plan that says okay we can like the mayor has uh reiterated we can build this uh pier back and we've added these components that if we get all this additional funding we can build this resilient uh pier with the breakwaters and that it'll be something that Bluexi is has will be proud of and it will be here for a long long time nobody wants to wait three four or five years to rebuild this pier nobody but I don't know if anybody up here in the crowd uh could have uh went through this process and did it any quicker and if you could have let me hear you let me hear from you what would you have done differently let me say this about let me say this about the outsides 2020 Mr.

Glenn they built many a building since then my question is this sir we're 858000 from FEMA is that what you're telling me that they've already committed to allowing but let me let me say this before you continue the statement because I think it's important this is the first opportunity every every uh FEMA project and replacement of appears in boardwalks and everything like that we had to always build a deck as it was this is the first time they would allow uh an additional amount of money to build a DAC stronger this is the first opportunity 2020 hurricane zeta is the first one in FEMA history that would allow us to do that and that was what some of the uh reasons why we we concentrated on building building back stronger okay my question my question sir is this okay the eight hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars that's the amount after the appeal that that's what that's that's what they've committed to after all the appeals they've committed to 858000 let me say this they would reimburse us to build the peer back as it was and they would give us 858000 to build it back as it was okay so what was the wood wood wood ponds and wood ducking okay sir the question is we're after all the appeals we're at 858000 okay what was the beginning amount but that they offered they didn't offer anything it was at first I'm I heard you say 1.2 million is that correct 665 thousand that was after the the first appeal and after the second appeal they moved six hundred and sixty five thousand to eight hundred and fifty eight thousand that was the result of the second appeal okay I'm I was listening to it you said one point two million at first and then you then you appealed it that's not correct no no no this is this is how it rolls out we asked engage uh CMO engineering to give us an as was cost that's been every year he developed an as was to build a pier back with wooden wooding ponds wooden decking and everything as it was then we submitted that then it was you know delayed opposed and deny it was that amount 1.2 and it came back with 6.6 after the second after the first appeal we argue with him said no you're using wrong pricing you're not allowing dredging you're not allowing permits and some of the things that we had to go to it was ridiculous you can't build a 600 you can't build an 850 foot pier foot pier for 600 thousand dollars so that was the that was the reason we we we weren't we weren't gonna uh stand for it by bottom line we submitted one point two million to build it back as was they come back after two appeals in two years we're gonna give you an 858 thousand dollars now with it again the first time in history that they would allow an additional amount equal to how much it would be to build it back as it was right okay the difference is the 342 thousand what I'm saying is this we haven't been if we're getting 2.4 million coming in every year and like Mr.

Creel said, we had stalled this went on doing this four years ago, we could have built where we want to build by now.

Yeah, and you would get no you get no money from FEMA.

Well, we came up with FEMA would be just extra money.

So in other words, it took we could we could have done this four years ago.

No, we could have started this four years ago.

Why not?

Because it it to uh you you just want to give away the second opportunity to get additional funding.

That's what we need to give in away.

But we don't have a peer.

I may have just okay.

I'm gonna go ahead and ask it.

Just uh I know this has been in the making for several years.

Is there a possibility?

Because now all of a sudden we're we're putting it out for bid and and hopefully in the next couple months.

Is there a possibility that we don't put it out for bid?

That's always a good thing.

So that may not happen, and we could be called.

I'm confident that we will be ready to submit the final mitigation plan to FEMA by the mid we've had a number of meetings with uh engineering firm to so they will submit that last mitigation plan to FEMA, they'll give us an approval mid-February, we'll put it out for bid in mid-February.

Correct.

All right, gentlemen, let's uh move on to our director that's been patiently waiting.

I'm just here in case y'all need me.

Okay, any highlights you want to give us?

I think that was a very good discussion.

Okay.

Any other discussion on peers?

If anybody wants to schedule a workshop, I'll entertain that at this time, or we can uh do it in uh later time.

Nobody has an appetite for that either.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh I'm not finished with my report.

I thought that was it.

Uh he's hang loose, hang on.

Yeah, yeah.

So the carpet gate now is uh I thought that's gonna be the easy one, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

So as much as been let's go.

All right.

Yeah, I think everybody can see that.

That's actually the carpet.

And if you look, this is actually what was bid by by Continental.

Now take a look at it hard.

You can see a repeated pattern.

Can you see it?

Are you serious?

Can you see things?

Yeah, look, can everybody see it?

Looks like a dolphin.

Well, wait, wait, wait, no, no.

Now, in order to do that, that was submitted to us in uh uh by continental the bidding.

A couple of things that were uh at our point there.

We had uh a 72-inch repeated pattern on a roll.

What do you call that?

Yeah, we bid it two ways, broad limit pile.

And this is a two-foot by two foot plaque, uh two-foot pieces that pretty much 95% of the commercial people putting in carpet in in offices, use this.

The upside, uh it is a little bit more expensive on the on the short end, but if there are uh problems with uh spillage or or tearing, it's a simple matter picking it up and putting it back down.

With that, in each one of the the packets, there are actually detailed instructions and on the the 14 piece uh two by two tiles, it says read correction read directions carefully.

And if you take the tile and you you put it over, there are arrows and numbers.

So you put it together by the numbers, that's what it looks like.

So that's what we uh we're expecting a repeated pattern without uh a lot of complications, or I think that you may have been on drugs when you look at the at the at the uh uh at the tile.

Okay.

Next slide.

That's what we got.

Now you see you see any repeated patterns there.

Uh so wow.

We were in an effort, I think Councilman Creel, we uh we were excited at the last meeting.

We hadn't to say, hey, we were 80 percent uh uh in and I think uh so see you put it on the internet, and and then when you look at that view, something's not like we're expecting.

We're not comfortable with the installation.

And lo and behold, in looking at again, uh Continental is located in Arizona, they contracted with somebody from Missouri, two men in a truck came down and put the carpet in.

Okay.

Uh and when you look at it, it does puzzle you.

And uh we actually looked at uh had some folks from uh the carpet local carpet people, uh commercial corporate people, and said it's uh something's wrong, obviously, with the how it was put down.

But you know, it turns out that two by two is very flexible and very easily corrected.

Next slide.

That's the same space.

Looks different, doesn't it?

That was done probably in a day and a half by a couple of uh uh local uh installers, and uh we've re there's you know there's some some places that we we can do a little bit like in the up uh ramps to the to the main theater.

So uh we've spent a little money, uh I think fifteen hundred dollars or two thousand dollars, I think, but we have some additional things to do.

So I hope everyone sees we didn't get what we expected, right?

So but that was corrected looking at the numbers and and using the arrows and corrected it.

Next slide, next slide.

Is that it?

So I thought uh no, yeah, go back go back to that slide.

Go back to one if you can or flip through.

I want to show you what's next.

There's a there's some in the foyer.

You see the the the the uh that's the original 1927 tile that is comes when you come in from the entranceway.

Uh I think uh we've engaged some folks to do a couple of things with that concrete, polish it, uh finish it, and then we're gonna move.

There's actually some sections as far as the flooring, some sections in the front of the stage where uh a number of rows were removed in order to make a functional uh um area for more than just uh uh theater, it would be used for you know, uh sit-down banquets or our events.

So we've uh it increase the functionality of that, but there's some leveling of that floor that needs to be done in the front.

That will finish the floor.

Okay.

Now from a budgetary standpoint, we had had we came before the council a number of years, uh a number of months ago, and said what is it gonna take to finish everything, inclusive of audio visual and some of the technology and some of the lighting.

So at the time to do the carpet, we allowed 200 something thousand plus the things we needed to do with getting the stage refinished and getting the orchestra pit and the the orchestra uh stand ready.

So the $73,000 that we expect to kind of do some adjustment on the quality of the uh installation.

So that $73,000 will back off that cost of that before we we're not paid anybody anything yet.

Okay.

No, and actually my my question wasn't on the carpet.

Uh the only question I have on the uh on the carpet there is um do you have a slide of the uh aisle was the aisles correct?

They've looked at it and and they couldn't come up with a better uh situation on cutting.

There was a there's a really significant amount of extra pallets of stuff.

Now, if it's worth uh visiting that, we'll do that.

But I I think the the installers said they were okay with that.

And now we have uh uh they were okay with the installation just on the aisles on the aisles.

Yeah, just not the pattern.

Not the well, they didn't have a lot to comment on the pattern on what they could do differently.

The the uh aisles are made up of one two by two and about nine inches of another one.

So going through with and again, the additional that's what was puzzling about uh what the job that was done.

When you look at the you know uh one, two, three, four pallets of these stacked up uh two by twos.

What's going on?

You know, why do we order so much?

And uh so we had we repaired or we actually uh repositioned based on what we could do on the extra uh material to to do this.

So it's uh again not a uh a giant job to uh to pick it up once you know what you want to do with it.

We have we have a couple of pieces that we want to do in the up ramps as you go into the theater.

So we'll do some of that, and and where we think it really stands out, we'll we'll make those repairs.

But not it's just labor.

And we done most of most of the in-house, you know, we did it within our our own department, and uh so but we have actually engaged our carpet installers to come back and do it as we needed.

So okay, so uh aside from the carpet, um uh I I think based on your previous comments past week, uh, the theater is gonna be 12 weeks open.

It it would look at a timetable of opening in 12 weeks.

We'll start booking in 12 weeks, I think.

Okay.

What what I'm thinking, our next step is to build with Alco Dale and Associates.

They were the architects on the actual exterior, uh Lee Johnson, as well as I think Debbie Botier and a couple of other folks were engaged in in the final punch list.

So we've got a number of folks.

I think I invited Councilman Glavin to kind of be there with establish a uh a war room, if you will, in the uh uh the dressing area of the Sanger, and we'll meet until we actually develop, you know, uh uh and like some of these architects do, the little blue tape will put up, we need this to be fixed, and uh the plumbing is a significant amount of of uh uh technology we want to update.

But again, there's nothing construction, it's just what do we want to do.

We've used the Civic Center technology, but you know, now it's fiber instead of copper.

Now it's digital LED instead of stuff and it moves.

So some of the hot lights and some of the things that are done as it was in the 70s, not needed.

There from the let's start from the front of the house, I think that would be the lobby area and then and the uh the foyer.

Okay, we'll finish that and go forward.

The bathrooms, everything's and and I think you you went through most of the things with us that one time when you first uh got there.

But basically we're gonna develop a punch list for the front of the house in the theater and then on the stage.

Okay, so with that, and and that actually was question B what elements remain to be completed before opening can take place, and if we can't be specific with the timetable and funding source for each element.

So with that punch list, is there a timetable with the punch list and a funding source to complete those?

Well, to complete most of the audio visual, that that means the new lights and racks of of uh uh batten that will move the motorized uh things that move the back house, you know.

Again, the complexity of the of the the fly tower.

That was a complete rebuild.

That was you know built and and uh pretty much the same back of the house, you know, backstage, mid stage, front stage, sixty foot high, and based on uh the same layout that Bo Rivage had as well as hard rock.

So what they have back of the house that you don't see uh is is the the physical things that you hang in the racks that you get up in order to is what was left.

Now we've retained most of the hardware, the the piles in the and the the cables, but we want to motorize that so you don't have to do those things.

You want to do uh there are two racks of lights that are on on the side inside that will be uh we'll select what lights we want to put there, okay?

And then what lights we're gonna hope you know put behind the stage.

Again, we probably have a hundred thousand or so to finish that part of the wall game.

Do we have that money?

Yeah, that's in the budget already.

We were it's hopeful the way we look at it, uh uh, and again, um there was uh you can spend as much money as you want behind that, but to get the audio visual uh and the uh performance uh equipment that you need, you gotta put the curtains up, the fire curtain, as well as the sangers, and we've retained most of that, but I think we've got a big donation of of some curtain from from the Bo revise.

So that's that's to be assembled.

And we've engaged some folks that uh have were involved with the hard rock and uh uh ground zero as well as Bo Revise to help us through the punch list.

Okay and that's what we'll be doing over the next couple of weeks.

So all right, so twelve twelve weeks to start booking.

So if that so we still don't know when the first act will no.

And we're engaged, let me let me say this about that.

For the last two years, uh venue works.

We had we went off an RFI, looked at a number of people that would that had some experience in booking and and uh utilizing theaters across the country.

Venue works was one that uh that we uh had a couple of visits, Peter, to down here.

They understood the potential here, and they've had again in Iowa and uh uh a number of other places, and I think they actually manage the uh Vicksburg convention center now.

What we wanted to do is get in a place that say this is what I need in order to go after Broadway.

This is what I need in order to do uh country music, you know, uh those kinds of things.

We've we've been engaged with them.

We haven't committed anything.

We haven't but and talking to other people also at this point because times and things have changed uh as far as what we want to go after.

But the the position uh that we want to be in, that if we turn it over, which we're committed to do by June to a third party, that we have the conditions ready.

We want to do another uh uh situation we have uh with a park down the street.

We want to be in a mode that's that actually does some things that will add a significant amount of of uh activity and revenue to our ball game.

So that means uh we want to stay ahead of what people were gonna ask that they would actually back out on some of their uh you know we want to have every opportunity to go hustle 50 events a year.

Okay, so back to the the punch list in the in the in the timeline and and that is there any way we can get a written list of of what is left and only some we're getting asked daily, especially now with the carpet game.

I would invite you to be part of this punch list so you can see what's going on.

So just come down here, you can see what is going to be done.

This is not a this you know, we want Sanger friends and people are interested in putting this iconic theater, there's not too many of them left in the world.

But you know, you look at millions of dollars, and we've got a carpet and pictures of of uh of Sanger here and mobile and in Hadisburg, and you know, we're uh almost one of the last of the last of the Mohicans.

So we want to actually be in a good mode and a tech I think we can have an opportunity to be most technologically set up uh Sanger that's around.

So and and we have budgeted money for the audio visual.

We've got we've got yeah.

But also we were talking about to really complete and and put some of the heavy duty stuff, uh, video walls and something like that.

We were looking as much as 400,000 with the uh the impact of Friends of the Sanger, not they're no longer a lot of them have passed away, and a lot of people have still a lot of passion, but to do uh a fundraising effort.

There's some uh sponsorships, and there's a significant amount of, and that would be part of this punch list to move this forward so that money can be the 200,000 dollars that was done, you know, that one can be paid back.

So we will have to have the fundraiser before we have an event.

No, no.

It takes months to set up the sponsorship, sell the bricks, sell the those opportunities.

But it's ongoing.

We don't have to wait.

We just need to uh actually move it forward.

This is you know, there's a lot of opportunities corporate-wise, just like we did with with the Keysler Federal and a number of other places, they can help out with the funding of this last push over the top.

Okay, so we still don't have a a timeline of the first act or when not till we determine who is gonna take over this ball game.

Okay, so and that's got to be done by June.

So that's that's less than twelve weeks, right?

I mean, that's more than twelve weeks.

Well, uh we we can start things that they will be actually booking things, but there may be some opportunity for dance recitals and so forth that's not needed before they execute the the contract.

I mean, it that's the whole thing.

I can't tell you how much money, you know, uh my family and uh my sisters and my daughters and and and uh my cousins and those kinds of things uh that happened in in the in that situation.

There's a number of dance folks that have a real interest in anybody actually uh indicated what would needed to be done.

Uh I'm not sure.

We actually uh a production company out of mobile came up and set up a video wall and some of the audio visual uh you know the the the sound system and that's the kind of thing we need to just replicate.

It takes a little money and selection.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's it, I guess.

Mr.

Schumacher, you got anything?

Mr.

Tuesday?

Yes.

Yes, sir, I do.

Uh a couple of things.

Ms.

Labata, that was an excellent presentation.

Thank you.

Very much.

I tried hard.

Mr.

Creel, I have a question real quick, if you don't mind.

The real Creel.

Cuts both ways.

Absolutely.

Could you uh uh and questions that I'm sure we all hear, Chick-fil-A.

Yes, sir.

Council reports.

We're still we're still on the still in the mayor's report.

Yeah.

We're still on the mayor's report.

You got anything beside the listening to the mayor?

We're talking about the singer.

We're talking about the singer.

No, I have no questions about the thing.

Uh let's move.

Mr.

Nail.

Uh no.

Mr.

Marshall.

Mr.

Marshall.

Yeah.

Uh can you can I see that first slide you show of the carpet?

Carpet.

No, we're going into the here, no.

Okay.

This is this is the beginning, right?

No, that was not the beginning.

That was actually what was pitched to us.

This is the carpet, the two by two park carpet that was approved by archetype archives in history.

That was another part of everything that was done had to be approved, including that cost of the city.

That's not that's not that's not an actual picture of our carpet.

No, that's the the pattern that we bought.

Okay.

We ordered.

Okay.

And now we so we are we are in agreement that what we end up getting was nowhere near that, right?

What we got installed was nowhere near that.

Okay.

Okay.

Who paying the person who put it now?

Are they gonna are they they're gonna help pay for this that we're paying to fix this?

We're gonna fix it and we're gonna take it off their bill.

Okay, do they know that?

They will.

That's not what I asked you.

They do we have a contract with them, and I don't want to.

We have a contract for that.

That's what we have contract.

Okay.

What about the aisles?

Are they gonna fix that?

We're looking at what we can do there.

They're not gonna fix it, we're gonna fix it.

By the using the stuff that's already down, reconfiguring, and some of the additional material that we had.

So once we fix it, who's paying for it?

We're taking it off their bill.

Okay.

Is that gonna take litigation?

I don't think so.

So how sure are you with that?

Yeah, I'm not uh, you know.

I I'm not uh sure of anything, but that's how we're gonna proceed.

Okay.

I'm I'm just gonna just be very clear.

I'm not happy with the situation, but I'm not gonna pound you.

I feel that you will fix this, but as it stands right now, it is in my ward, and you know, I met you over there, I talked to you.

I'm not, I don't think you need me riding your back.

I'm gonna let you go.

But I got some problem with how long this is taking to get this place open.

This video while we're hearing about, is there anything that says that any funding that we receive based on us doing anything upgrades far as like electronics or video walls, anything like that?

Again, that's a phase two that we would we would look at when we actually do the selection of the people who are gonna be marketing this thing across the country.

That would be an opportunity for them to say, I can rent it for 5,000 an event, which actually pays, you know, uh rapidly.

If you were to go pick there's some people who know a little bit about Gulf Coast and some of the video uh components that that you rent, it's 19 and 20,000 uh a pop.

This would be part of the the opportunity.

So it's another part of uh, you know, this is what it can be rented and can be paid for now it keeps on and on.

Okay.

My question, I guess, maybe I'm let me ask it again.

Have we received any funding that says that we have to have a uh uh a management company?

Yeah, that's part of the agreement with archives in history that they helped do the two.

Let me finish.

Two million dollars.

That was the agreement with that we would have a third party manage this uh this operation.

Okay, but we're gonna be booking in 12 weeks.

Have we engaged that 12 parts that we're gonna do?

We're gonna be we're gonna be in in 30 days, we'll have that determination of who's gonna have the opportunity to market Stanley Theater in Biloxi, Mississippi across the country.

So you're gonna come back so Mr.

I don't know if Mr.

Creer heard it or not, but you're saying that within 30 days you're gonna come back with uh a selection.

A selection.

Have you put that selection out for bids yet?

You just gonna pick a person out of the state.

No, this is a professional services.

But how are you gonna select the person?

We've been looking at people that get that have an opportunity in the professional.

Not a bid, it's a professional service.

So you're gonna pick somebody.

I'm gonna pick somebody.

Okay.

I got one question.

One question.

Yes, sir.

So we don't get into another situation that we're in.

Whenever that's two million dollars, and you gotta you have to pick somebody to run it.

How long how long are they supposed to run it?

Is there a time there'll be a period of performance, you know, what annual uh what two years, ten years?

Could be two years.

So is it gonna be a contract?

So you don't have to come to us to ask us to use the contract.

No, you really have to approve the contract, like all contracts should do.

Right, and that's what I what I'm asking is when we have to get a professional.

Negotiate the contract with them training.

And how how long is to get that two million dollars?

How long was that contract?

No, no, we got the two million dollars to that was part of the restoration.

We got the two million dollars.

Right.

The agreement though, the the uh MOU with with the state of Mississippi and archives in history.

That's why we had to pay attention to everything that was done.

The the uh the repair of the plaster, the actual selection of the carpet, everything, the colors had to be within their blessing.

That we agreed to that when we opened the doors, we didn't say when, we did extend, we said we look, we're looking for you know, uh such and such date.

But we're that date is you know, we see the the uh light at the end of the tunnel.

We will execute that agreement with a third party uh to in the best interest of City of Biloxi to market uh uh you know the theater.

Right, but that's right.

We're not dialing into a long period of time as far as the term uh that's negotiable be part of the contract.

Uh my thought is something like the three-year initial terms right to redeem.

Right to reduce uh a couple of three-year successive terms.

Okay.

Remember, you you know, like the college when I was in service on the coliseum, you hit our ARA and then Levy and a number of other ones.

So there's similar to what the Coliseum engage with the the people who operate uh the food and beverage.

Right, we just want to be in a 20-year term or we can't get out of.

That's all.

That's it.

I tell you.

This contract that you said you're gonna pick somebody for us to come in and vote.

We got it, we got to vote to approve it or not approve it.

Uh normally they come when they in a contract with a third party, they come with rules and uh they come with uh things that they're gonna require.

That's right.

We we anticipated that what we would been doing.

That's all I did.

We anticipated and we're in negotiations of uh the people, what do you require in addition to what we already done?

But over the last couple of years, we understood what needs to be done as far as technology.

You know, one example is it used to have uh uh go actual cable everywhere in center fiber and in that is is ready to go.

So we have the ability to reach out right now.

We what way we've already done.

We don't have to do anything.

I'm gonna have to ask you to wrap it up.

Your time is expired.

I'm done.

I guess you are.

Ring the bell, Carrie.

All right, one quick question.

Yeah, I'm yeah, that this morning point.

Thank you.

You got uh you got a couple more things.

Just just real quick, real quick.

Okay, go ahead.

Mayor, I think you already said it.

I just want to make sure I heard it right though.

So no city employee and no city department per that contract can oversee any of the third party marketing or anything for the Sanger.

So we have to per that agreement or contract, we have to hire a third party.

That was the agreement.

Okay, that's all I have for.

All right, thank you.

I'd like to make a statement before we go any further if you don't mind.

Okay.

I can't in my report.

Yeah.

Uh you got some travel expenses.

That's it.

I wanted to ask the council to uh approve the minutes.

And upon the minutes to the expenses of our Biloxi travel card, uh travel expense credit card.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mayor.

My report.

Okay.

Um little bit of executive privilege.

I'll have about 90 seconds uh give or take on your council report.

So we'll go ahead and start with Mr.

Gray.

First, I want to thank public works for uh cleaning up a mess um off of Maple Street.

It was a pretty good mess.

And the the sad part, as soon as they got it cleaned up, somebody came within an hour and dumped a truckload of tires out there that made it really look worse.

But I I want to thank y'all for for getting out and doing that.

And um just one thing, just be connect.

People understand you don't have to throw your trash out on the side of on on a dead end road.

You can actually just set it neatly somewhere and call the be connect number and they will come and pick it up.

So you don't have to trash the city.

Um if they use that, they call the public works number, they can get out there and help them get this in.

I mean, that's it just makes the city look bad whenever they can just actually set it beside the road and call and get it cleaned up.

Um Mr.

Bata, why I got you in the hot seat over there.

Have we got anything new on Roadbird?

I've been getting a lot of calls on that.

No, sir.

We don't have any funding available, so nothing's moving forward on it at this time.

Is there any way we can start looking into it maybe to see what it's gonna take to get that get it fixed in case we do find the funding?

Yeah, we that way we we kind of had it again.

Yeah, we can do that.

We can start pulling some numbers together.

We've got a ballpark estimate, but we can do a uh a closer cost estimate.

And we'll that would be part of the uh a number of things we discussed on the possibility of of the bond that we're looking at.

Right in this.

And last thing, um we fixing to have a a good man retire, 35 years of service.

He's gonna be deeply missed.

I've enjoyed a lot of conversation with Chief Miller.

Um, whoever takes his place has got some big shoes to fill.

And uh I I just want to congratulate you and give 35 years of service.

And this will be his uh last meeting as a as a uh chief of police.

So but I hope it's not his last meeting coming enjoys.

Thank you, Chief Miller.

Thank you, sir.

That's all I have.

Thank you, Mr.

Gray.

Mr.

Marshall.

Come back to me.

Mr.

Neil.

Oh, okay.

Um I think the homeless people are coming back to the broad water.

They're they're got tents set up.

It's like it never ended.

It just kept on and kept on going.

Maybe we could uh up the patrol in there a little bit.

I'm still gonna take the ride with um Lewis on that next week.

And um I talked to Jamie already about putting moving the bathrooms to pull the potties closer to the playground.

Um and um those um poles that's going up the road towards Accison with the chains in them.

Every other one is like been hit by a car.

Can we fix those or just take them up?

Yes, sir.

Um, you know, I was talking earlier to someone about that.

You know, I think they were originally put in as some sort of barrier for vehicles so they don't go onto that walking area or worse, into the bayou right there.

But it still seems that you know in the morning we'll come in and one of them will be knocked over or chain will be pulled off or something.

And I think it's something we need to look at, you know, as a city.

Do we want to just remove those poles and chains, or do we want to look at putting something there, you know, that may last a little, but people seem to hit them all the time or around the corner.

I guess people pulling trailers.

It was a bumper sitting there in front of them.

A trailer hitting hitting one of them on the curve right there before you get to the boat launch.

Yeah.

But no, it has been an ongoing problem that you know we need to look and see what the best something that you know we can investigate with Rick and the mayor and and and kind of come up with something along Hiller Drive right there on act uh coming in off Atkinson, the stanchions and the chains.

Yeah, it looks like it looks just looks like we just don't care.

Right.

Well, we'll to fix it.

We'll we'll look at um, you know, we've got some, of course, sometimes when the cars hit them, they shatter them or whatnot, or damage the chains, but we'll look at something and at least try to maybe clean it up and tighten it up to where what we do have there looks a little bit more presentable for the meantime.

Okay.

And you know 2026, Hill of Park is going to be completely nice.

We're gonna we're gonna do it right.

We're moving on it.

Yes.

Yeah.

All right.

And uh I was just gonna tell the people uh on the car wash by the pub that they're starting uh the project this week.

They started it today, actually.

Gonna be little offices in it, Jerry.

Yes.

Yep.

All right.

And then uh what about uh um Azalea Street?

When do you think that's gonna be open?

People's been asking me about it.

By Woody's anybody know?

I think we've discussed the plan as far as putting the curves that we ended the curb today.

Yeah, probably three weeks will be it will be actually scheduled to be paved.

So we're yeah, he's gonna put the curves in the case is absolutely installing the curve.

That was an ad-on.

We told him to put the curves there, and he had to reschedule he's gonna pave without the curbs, but they're gonna put the curves in first and then schedule war and paving to to finish that little section.

Was it 120 feet?

Something like that.

All right.

And then I'm gonna have my first ward meeting on the 26th of January at 530 at Donald Snyder's.

Just to add water.

That's water.

Now we might have food.

All right, with that's my end of my report.

Thank you, Mr.

Nale, Mr.

Creel.

Uh just a few things.

Uh any update on the uh B alert status as far as it coming back on board or last month.

Yes, sir.

Matter of fact, uh actually in negotiation of possibly canceling that contract with that company and opening up another one that the uh police department are working on.

So we're right now currently in those to try to transition to have that up and operational within the next four to five weeks.

Perfect.

So we're still having issues with the other company from that.

I know it's been down for a while, but we have been progressing through there with Cecilia and with Shane during IT, and we've been working with John and him as well.

How can we make this better for the future?

So me and the mayor got briefed on that actually Monday.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Uh and I'm I'm not sure who to direct this question to, but the uh SS4A money, the Safe Streets for America that D Iberville just received, um, I want to say 7.1, 7.9 million.

Did we did we uh try and request any money for out of that uh out of those grants?

I I'm not sure if we did or not.

I'm I'm not sure what money that is.

Yeah, so I mean it's a federal program through through Washington that uh provides safe streets.

Uh uh you can use it for sidewalks, you could use for lighting, it's it's provide side streets for for America, simply is what it says.

And the Iberville just um did they just were awarded 7.9 million uh from from that uh from that grant.

So I was just wondering if I don't know if if Keith is upstairs up there doing anything.

I'm not sure of of the projects that are eligible that we have you know on the radar, but we'll definitely look at I'll look at it and see what we're so with Keith being in DC, and that's another reason why I'd I'd like for him to be either accessible or something so we can ask these questions.

But then being in DC, is he just working with FEMA, or is he looking for other money so we can get working for for us specifically on you know, of course, we try to give him direction, but we don't know all the directions.

He should be aware of of those kinds of opportunities.

Okay, so we're on the same page there.

Well, there's some opportunity tomorrow to the same.

I mean, uh obviously whoever's representing Diablo's on the uh is aware.

So at 7.9 million, that'd go a long way with sidewalks and lightings uh throughout the city.

Um and just a reminder of unification commission uh meeting tomorrow at 11 o'clock right here in uh council chambers.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Creel, Mr.

Tuesday.

Thank you, Mr.

President, Mr.

Creel, very quickly, 25 words or less.

What's uh latest on Chickville A.

We've we've approved all the plans, fire departments approved the plans.

They've gone out to bid.

Uh the scheduled start date is either late March or early April.

Thank you very much.

Appreciate that.

Um 12th night was last night.

They had a really good turnout here at City Hall.

Uh it looked like they had more folks this year than last year.

So it's something to put in on your calendar for next year.

Um next item, I'd like to thank Wendy Liley again for her three years of faithful service on the tree committee.

That's an unpaid position, and I appreciate her time and effort to help make our community a better community.

Thank you, Wendy.

Appreciate that.

Last but excuse me, and last but not least, uh, every time I see Chief Miller, he looks a little smaller, but his smile is bigger.

So, like the Cheshire cat in another another week or so, all that'll be left is the smile, and then that's gonna disappear, isn't it?

Thank you, John, for the job you've done for so long.

Thank you.

That's it, Kenny.

Thank you.

Thank you, uh Mr.

Tuesday or Mr.

Schumaker.

Really just one thing, and honestly, I was thinking we had a council meeting next week, and I was gonna say a good bit to say about Director Miller, and I didn't realize we didn't have a meeting next week until Councilman Gray said something a minute ago.

So, but I I have to say something.

You know, I worked with Director Miller for many years.

We were on patrol together back many days ago, many years ago on midnight shift, and and of course, you know, he ended up being the chief, and here I am, who was the smarter guy there.

Obviously, he was the smarter one.

But uh honestly, um, you know uh when I retired, I worked directly for him in internal affairs, and I could say a whole lot of things, and I could spend the next 10 or 15 minutes talking about Director Miller, and I know we're on the time limits, and I won't, but uh a huge asset to the city, to the department, very few people I've ever spoken to, even a lot of people that he arrested.

And he didn't arrest many because you know he really didn't do that much back in the day.

Um but only have good things to say, and I mean that.

I'm telling you that's the truth, Director.

But uh look, a great officer, um, a great leader, but even a better person.

And I mean that, and that's all I have.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Schumacher.

Mr.

Marshall.

All right.

Um to be very clear, Mr.

Mayor.

I want to reiterate again as far as the copy concern, as I stated before, and I told you also I'm not gonna bother you about it, but I do want you to realize that I think that is as of as of today is unacceptable.

As far as the taking so long for this peer, uh we're going around and about these numbers and still not making much sense to me, but I'm gonna leave that alone.

As far as the uh the thing at theater is as a whole, uh I'm I want to go on record of saying that what you're telling us.

We've I think I've been coming to these meetings long enough before I even got up here.

I've been hearing this for a while.

And I got a feeling it's gonna it's not gonna change.

It's gonna be the same way.

We're not I'm not getting any definite time frames or definite numbers.

And it's important because the seven of us, we're in charge of the numbers.

And we need to know what we're doing.

Time is also money.

So we need to know what we got to do.

And also the thing that is actually in my ward.

So I have citizens at my lawyer want to know, hey, what's going on with it?

The answer that you've given me left more questions, but I'm gonna let it go.

Uh I want to take care of some other business that I think um, you know.

I think I probably can get somewhere with.

Um Mr.

Chief Miller.

Um we got a lot of dogs in our area.

I've been getting a lot of a lot of calls, and um dogs are barking all night.

Uh we have I I've had I had people come to me and say is that the homeless people is feeding the dogs and keeping the dogs in our area.

I don't I can't blame that on them.

But what I need to understand is what is the what is the uh policy as far as um Sunday I was with a resident citizen and uh that person wanted me to call the dog catcher.

So I called out the dispatch and couldn't have found that's not gonna happen on a Sunday, and the dog was on her porch and she was really concerned.

Uh she wasn't afraid so much of the dog, but it wasn't a comfortable thing.

She wasn't comfortable with the dog and the dog wouldn't leave.

I personally went there and escorted the dog off of her property, and I went to several other dogs, and I said, okay, I can see the people talking about, we need to address that.

I don't want to address it to the point where we just go out there and just lock it up and uh putting down people's dogs.

I want to address it to the point where we know the rules.

I need to inform the people in the community of the rules, so there will be no misunderstanding.

And I want to sell a time save, a timetable of a deadline.

Say you got two weeks.

If you have a dog that you really love, you care about your dog, these are the rules, these are the rules, these are the laws, and we're gonna follow that.

So if you can expound on it just a little bit.

Sure.

What I'm gonna do uh first is tell you that we need a third animal control officer.

That way we could work the weekends.

With two, we can't we can't make that work.

Why don't we have one?

We put it in the budget last year.

And it was cut.

So we don't have the money.

Okay, that brings me back to my favorite little old rant.

We got eight casino, we're one of the richest and wealthiest communities in this whole state.

We are one of the wealthiest cities in this whole state, and we broke.

We don't have the money for a dog catcher.

That makes no sense to me.

I appreciate you.

And I've known I've I've just grown to just really appreciate I really really appreciate you.

I love what you're doing.

I know that's not your fault.

We control the money.

We cut the budget.

But I just gotta say that.

I wasn't gonna point y'all out, but I think that's yeah, I said we call it job.

We'll we'll we'll take the blame this time.

But if you was gonna be here another month, we'll blame it on you.

But no, we should not be in that position.

It's just I think we're getting our our message is that we need to fix that as a council.

We should be released in this city.

I can understand Jackson, I can understand these other cities not having the money for a dog catcher, but that's not acceptable acceptable at all for this city.

And when we call, we won't answer.

That's all it is.

So go ahead.

So we have uh animal control officer Jeff Wendham with us, and he can come up and answer any questions.

Just been doing this for a long time.

Uh he absolutely understands animal control.

So I'm gonna ask him to come up and answer any questions that you have about the law.

That'll be fine.

All right.

Sunday, I was in Panama City Beach with my wife with her great-grandfather turning a hundred.

I was I was chasing dogs.

Okay.

What I need to understand is um, and this this is so that we can educate the public.

Um, I've already pulled the rules and I know them, but I want my people to understand so they can just don't be calling me, asking me questions.

So we're gonna go straight from the animal control horse's mouth, uh, leash laws.

Uh, and what happens when you go pick up a dog?

So once we pick them up, it goes straight to the humane side.

After we scan them, we'll if it has a microchip, we'll do everything in our power to get in touch with the owner.

We can't get in touch with the owner, it goes to the humane site.

Okay, what are the leash laws?

Lease law states that no purchase are willfully unlawfully allow any animal to run at large.

So if your dog is off its property, it's running at large if it's not on a lease.

Okay.

If we give you two weeks, they say we put our public notice, we put it out in the uh, we got the city newsletter, go out, put on the city website, giving everyone two weeks to tighten up, knowing that this is gonna be strictly enforced, especially in East Berexy.

I know you got a whole city, I know you're one man short, but would you think that'll be enough time for people to to see that you know we are serious and then they're gonna need to take care of their animals?

In a perfect world, yes.

However, in our city orders, it's also states we have to give them at least 90 days to correct any issue.

Okay.

So we have ordinances there now that says you can afford you can enforce the laws that are there.

Yes.

Okay.

What I'm saying is this in the next two weeks, we're gonna start.

I want to ask that you and uh we won't be chief and know whoever the next chief is to start enforcing it more strictly.

We can't just let dogs and animals run the streets.

I know you're a man, sure.

But there's no excuse not to enforce the law.

Okay.

So a lot of times whenever we do get there, we do not see the dog, or the when we find the owner, we do advise them of city ordinance.

And if it happens again, then we do go into the force.

Okay, I'm in East Golexi, and I can just go down Division Street and Main Street, and I can still do five or six dogs.

So I'm be honest with you, that's not acceptable to me.

I if I'm riding down the street, unless they know your vehicle, they know what you look like, and they're running hiding like some of these other criminals.

That makes no sense to me.

I will tell you there are two German shepherds on Division Street.

We've been chasing for about three years now.

We have exhausted all efforts.

We have tranquilized them, we've put traps out, we've tried to use snapping snares.

We're in the process of getting a quote for a net gun to try to catch them.

Uh the owner itself, we have pursued charges at least a dozen times, and the dogs won't even go to her.

And those be honest, if you those are the I'm I'm hearing about those same German sheriffs over and over again.

But right there on Main Street next to um next to uh New Belt, there's about four or five dogs living on that lot right there.

If you go there and have it behind there, that's about six or seven dollars running up and down through there.

I think if you just ride around, maybe you might want to switch a vehicle, get undercover vehicle, something, but it they're there.

We I know about the the three black labs that live right over there.

We have put traps out.

The traps have been out there for about two months, and we still we caught some of the puppies, but not the mama dog and the puppies.

And once we tranquilize them, then we have to figure out where they're gonna go.

If they go underneath the house, uh I do not feel comfortable going under the house because if I get stuck it, I'm not gonna put the city liable of repairing their pipes with electrical.

You have somebody with a good cash nut.

I I've tried.

I've tried.

I grew up on cast nets.

I I've tried.

Okay.

So for any um to keep them wasting any more time, um by now it's not nothing to reflect on you.

I'm just very direct person.

Uh I can't accept those answers.

I need a plan for the next two in the next two weeks to come back and say, This is what we're gonna do, and this is how we're gonna solve that problem.

Um give me a list of reasons why we can't is not what we pay for as citizens.

So we need to follow up and find out what we're gonna do, how they're gonna do it, and we need to make sure it gets done.

No one has come to me and asked me about the dogs, and say, What if you come up with fine?

They come to me and they say they want it fixed, they want to get rid of them, and that's what we do.

And I'm just asking for the next two weeks.

Uh if you can just come back and say, hey, I got a better report, we are gonna be taking care of that.

This is how we plan to do it.

Yes, sir.

I appreciate it.

I sure appreciate it.

And thank you, and I promise you, as far as your extra person, I'm working every day as well as all these other council members to make sure we don't go through this anymore.

Yes, sir, thank you.

Okay, yes, sir.

Uh Mr.

Um Mr.

Creel, I'm gonna wait, wait, sir.

Mr.

Creel?

Yes, sir.

Wait, I'm just gonna wait till you get you do your uh your um code enforcements, then I go over what I really need to go over with you as far as what I like to see in the future.

It'll save some time.

We can keep on moving.

Thank you, sir.

I'm through.

Thank you, Mr.

Marshall.

Got a uh few things.

Um this is for Mr.

Jerry Creel, director.

Got a couple of things.

Um the first one, fireworks.

And and I saw what was published and everything, but just give us a uh summary of fireworks, where they're where we are allowed to shoot them, what remedies do people have if they're shooting fireworks and they're falling on their property, if if that is even uh if we're even able to address that.

Can you just give us a summary of the ordinance?

There are certain times that that they are allowed.

Uh I'm not sure about the exact times.

I do remember that certain times during New Year's Day, Christmas, and then uh for Tet that we made some uh uh provisions to allow those.

Uh certainly people aren't allowed to aim those at someone else's house or anything like that.

But they can be shot on those days, designated days anywhere.

Uh right.

So but is there a provision that if they are shooting them and it's landing in people's yards or on their house or on their property, cars, whatever, uh what remedy would they have?

I I would guess that they would be able to press charges if they could uh identify who did it.

Okay.

You know.

Uh Chief, you don't mind chiming in if that occurs.

I understand them popping them in the road or or whatever, but when they're landing in people's yards or on their roofs or whatever, what does the property owner have a remedy?

So usually what happens is they can, and and Jerry's right, they can sign charges, but usually by the time we get there, they're gone.

Yeah.

Sure.

Or there's a group of people, and you don't have any idea, you know, who who actually fired the fireworks that hit their yard or their house.

They can't shoot fireworks from anything, any kind of public property.

They have to be on private property to do that.

Okay.

We went over this years ago, trying to figure how we can make this work for everybody, because you'll have as many people that get upset that they can't fire fireworks as you do people that are upset because there's fireworks, you know, being exploded, especially late at night.

So we we narrowed that down to uh the first three days of tech for the dragon dance, they're allowed to do it.

And then uh uh the 4th of July, then uh New Year's from the 31st of December at 6 o'clock is when they can start till the 1st of January until one o'clock in the morning.

So that's something there that could be looked at, you know, and and maybe back that time up a little bit.

So so let me ask you another question.

I can't imagine the calls you probably got 4th of July or during, or I'm sorry, New Year's Eve and during that time frame.

So I don't know what that looks like.

You may want to elaborate, but if we do get a call, and I'm sure every council member up here has gotten a call from people who uh you know it it affects their dogs and may affect them, they may be ex-military or or whatever.

Uh what is the response if they if we say call Blue X EPD, uh, what would the response be from dispatch?

So it's it's gonna depend on what they actually tell dispatch.

Okay.

Because I I can I can tell you right now there's not enough policemen the whole coast to answer every call when somebody calls about fireworks.

So it depends on what they actually say.

If it's an issue where there's a a psychological problem it's causing, then we're gonna respond to that.

Uh and if we're going to respond to all of them that we can respond to in the time frame that we have to try to respond to them.

But like I said earlier, majority of the time you're going to get there, and it's not going to be anybody there, or there's going to be a huge crowd, and you have no idea who was shooting the fireworks.

That's actually one of the reasons that we set those dates in place.

Private property and not in the roadway or any of that.

Yeah, I realize it's very difficult.

I just want to know, you know, if there is a remedy, what to advise our constituents when they call and you've been helpful kind of giving us your your explanation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

Uh Jerry got a couple more.

Um somebody has a trailer manufactured home.

I think you and I have had a conversation, but I just want to kind of clarify it.

And it's on a piece of property that that they're grandfathered in.

What are they allowed to do?

And is it specific to the existing owner, or does it travel if they sell the property?

Would would that be conveyed to a new owner of the property?

I don't know if you understand the question.

Okay.

If someone removed a mobile home from a piece of property where it was grandfathered in, they would not be allowed to replace that mobile home unless they went through the full process.

And a lot of times they didn't have enough land or the zoning was incorrect or whatever.

And uh Mr.

Fayhard and I talked about it and said, you know, we're basically making people live in squalor.

There are people that are living in some mobile homes that are in really, really bad shape, but they can't afford to pull it out because they know that they don't meet the new ordinance criteria.

So there's a provision in the LDO that allows you, if you live in a mobile home, uh and you're wanting to replace it with a newer mobile home that meets the the more stringent wind requirements, you're allowed to do that without losing your grandfather status.

If they sell the property, is that conveyed to the new owner, or does the new owner now need to comply with the It would it would be conveyed to the new owner.

You don't lose the grandfather status just because the property changed hands.

Yes.

That's the point I wanted to make sure I was clear on.

Thank you.

Thank you, Director.

The other question I have, uh, I don't know if this involves you or not, but we have certain owners of mobile home parks that pay for the utilities.

And when they go pay for the utilities, uh a lot of times they they pay over the phone or whatever, and I I reported this in one of the meetings, and it seems like if it's a certain amount too high of an amount, it gets rejected, and they have to physically go down and pay their bill.

Is there any way we can talk to the third party that collects the utility money for us, the water, water and sewer money for us to maybe raise that for the owners by request or or anything of that sort.

I'm getting a complaint from a pretty long time owner of a of a mobile home park.

I can tell you as far as paying the water bill, I'm blissfully ignorant of uh anything that has to do with paying those.

Who would who could research that for me?

Take care of that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

This is some fun stuff.

Um I want to commend uh Jason Steerman and Jennifer Miller.

Uh they're organizing uh a special event.

It's going to be January 17th.

It's called A Night of Music with a mission.

And uh one of their keynote speakers or the host is going to be Phil Donovan.

He's an actor filmmaker if you've heard of Chicago Fire, others uh he's been involved with that.

Um it's a tribute to honor American Heroes and uh it supports Tunnels to Towers Foundation.

Uh they're they're in a partnership with a major VACA uh distributor, uh Rockavaca.

And um it's gonna be pretty neat.

Uh entertainment includes Lone Star uh Skinnert, which uh is supported by some of the original uh band members of Leonard Skinner, Tyler Benoit Band, uh Gary Michaels, and then there's some exhibition matches uh with Combat Sports Pro Wrestling.

Um Rock of Acco is gonna debut a limited edition, and it's called uh Hero Bottle, and it's gonna have a tunnels to tower logo on it, and it's supposed to be a pretty high-end uh Baca for uh some of you uh that enjoy that spirit.

Um so I just wanted to uh commend them.

Uh they they work real hard on some special events.

This is one that they are real proud of.

They have challenged uh Chief Miller's crew and they've challenged uh the uh uh the fire chief uh to maybe y'all can do uh support them with some kind of fundraiser or event, I don't know, arm wrestling or tug of war or beauty contest or something.

But uh they certainly want to get our our heroes, our Biloxi heroes involved with that.

So looking forward to it.

And then finally, um I've been asked by the crew of Neptune uh to kind of announce this tonight.

Uh they've created a new uh honoree for this year's parade.

Uh they're labeling it uh the crew esteemed honoree.

Um I'm kind of putting a little uh parentheses, uh the king of police, and uh they're gonna have a special float.

It's gonna be decorated in blue lights, and uh this is for Chief John Miller.

Uh that we we figured Grand Marshal, we've had grand marshals, and we wanted to create a special category.

So, Chief, you'll be the first crew esteemed honoree for the crew of Neptune, and we have your float uh that's being decorated now and outfitted for whoever you choose to ride on that uh with you, and I just wanted to we wanted to say thank you, the token of our appreciation, and and I'm sure the the entire community will be proud to see you uh in blue in that parade.

Thank you, sir.

Okay, and with that that concludes my report.

Oh, wait, I do have one more thing.

I apologize.

Um this is a requirement by the council uh president uh every year, and I have to read this into the uh minutes regarding uh municipal depositories.

Uh the City of Biloxi has received the following proposals for municipal uh depository services for the period beginning January 1st, 2026 and ending December 31st, 2027.

The proposals will be reviewed and a resolution approving all banks that have met the requirements will be on the January 20th, 2026 uh council meeting.

Cadence Bank, the People's Bank, Community Bank, Renaissance Bank, and Regions Bank.

Please spread this memorandum on the minutes.

Thank you.

That concludes my report.

Mr.

President, can I say one more thing before we go to the next section?

No.

I'm sorry, yes.

Go ahead.

The Alum Patrol Officer.

Yeah.

I want to say thank you for what you do do.

Okay.

I appreciate you.

I do work not hard on you.

I get more angry for the fact that we did not fund the police department the way we should have funded the police department.

I'm more angry at myself.

I'm more angry at the fact that this chief worked all these years and we sent him out short.

And we could have done better.

And we're going to make sure you let your officers know, Chief, you let everybody know.

The Nate Chief, we got him.

Okay.

We're going to take care of it.

I promise you that.

Okay.

I've already talked to these guys, especially Mr.

Tisdale.

He's been really pinching a lot of pennies on everything.

We're going to make sure that our those who protect us are protected also.

No more cuttings overtime, nothing.

Whoever you guys need, this council, if I'm wrong with somebody speak up.

We're going to make sure you got it.

The next chief got it.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Marshall.

We uh before I get to Mr.

Tisdale, we we uh but oh, you don't have anything anymore?

Carry on.

Okay.

By the time we get out of here, that pier is gonna be built.

But uh anyway.

All right.

All right, we're gonna move on to uh citizens' comments.

We have a total a lot of time of 45 minutes.

We'll be strictly following that tonight.

You have three minutes.

Uh once you hear the bell, uh please uh finish up.

Uh and we'll start uh on my left side of the room.

You're right.

Raise your hand if you want to be recognized, Mr.

Sylvestra.

And please state your name and address for the record and sign in as well.

Uh Bob Silvestro, 181 Iris Street.

How's everybody doing?

Um, first thing, follow up on Mr.

Now.

He was at the Walmart the other day when he heard the gunshots coming out of the Broadwater.

There was children out there.

Uh also there was a lunatic chasing children and threatening to beat them up coming out of there.

I think we've tried as a neighborhood to do everything.

The landowners need to be put on notice.

They will be held responsible when one of our neighbors is hurt.

We're tired of our property values going down because of their cheapness or laziness.

That area needs to be cleaned up.

It needs to be stayed on top of.

Lover or hater, Dixie worked very hard.

Mr.

Nell's trying his best.

We gave up on town hall meetings with homeless.

Whatever it was, the problem's not going to go away.

And secondly, the first person I met here when I came here was Chief.

Very nice to us.

Unfortunately, we've had to call the police an awful lot, but they've always been very respectful.

They've come into our house, they've followed up, they've thanked us.

What a really nice police department and fire department.

And my last thing I want to say is there's so many more eyes on what's going on in this town than there was when I first started coming here.

And it seems as if some people want to keep doing things business as usual.

And that's not bad.

I'm just saying that there needs to be more of an input from the people.

Maybe we could have something like a uh a citywide meeting where people could give suggestions, not just a complaint department.

Some stuff, some nice stuff.

Maybe we can get a report on what's happening at the Broadwater Marina, what it's gonna look like.

When I started, that was homeless cars parked there.

It would be nice if we could say, look what we've accomplished.

Look what the mayor was, look at the senator.

It's gonna be nicer than it was.

So maybe we could start talking about some good stuff and just move forward.

And because honestly, some of the conversations and stuff are starting to get a little embarrassing.

But anyway, thank you all for what you did.

Thank you, Mr.

Sylvestra.

Anyone else on my left, your right?

Yes, sir.

My name is Matthew Malver, and I'm a 7276 Rushing Robinson Road.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor and Council members.

Eight years ago, I stood in this very room along with a few others when there was discussion about restoring the Sanger Theater.

It was a hopeful day.

There was excitement, optimism, and a shared belief that the Sangers still matter to this city.

I spoke at that meeting, not as a developer or a politician, but as a citizen who believed the Sanger could once again become something special for Biloxi.

Like many others, I've watched and waited.

And this past September, word began to circulate that while conversations, restoration, and intention existed, there was still no dedicated management company in place to handle the day-to-day operations of the Sanger.

And that stuck with me.

Rather than complain or assume someone else would step in, I saw an opportunity to help.

I began research reaching out to people I trust.

Business minded community people, individuals, experienced in planning, operations, finance, technical production, and events.

People who care about Biloxi, who understand accountability, and who believe the meaningful process comes from showing up and doing the work.

We are offering ourselves as a capable and organized management group that can assist with the practical day-to-day needs with the Sanger requires.

Not with grand promises or speculative plans, but with structure, oversight, coordination, and responsibility.

Our focus is practical.

We are offering ourselves as a dedicated management company prepared to take on the day-to-day operational responsibilities that come with the venue like the Sanger, should the city choose to explore that path.

At this stage, our work is intentionally pre-proposal.

In order to provide something detailed, accurate, and useful, we need the opportunity to walk the building, understand its current conditions, and assess what day-to-day management would realistically require.

Without access, any proposal we submit would be incomplete.

But tonight we simply put ourselves forward, explain who we are, and ask for the opportunity to take that next responsible step.

We are registered as a nonprofit with the state of Mississippi and are in the process of seeking our 501c3 designation with the IRS.

Our officers are as follows.

Myself, Matthew Malber's president, Andrea Deaton, Secretary in Strategic Planning, Boyce Deaton, Program Procurement, Rafa Newell, Technical Director, Jordan Church, Treasury Director, Dennis Times, Community Events, and William Hunter, Event Operations.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are Encore Sanger, and we believe the Sanger is not just a historical building, but it's a living part of Biloxi's identity.

Thank you for allowing us to introduce ourselves.

Anyone else on my left?

Hi, everybody.

I'm uh Lori Silvestra, 181 Iris Street.

Um I'll be short and sweet.

I just want to, you know, wish everybody a happy new year.

Um, but I also wanted to just make a comment, you know, sitting in the gallery, listening to the exchange going on earlier around the pier and around the Sanger.

It was really hard to watch.

Um regarding the pier, you know, as a person who's observing everything going on here, I couldn't make heads or tails of what all of you were talking about.

All the dollar figures going around, dollar figures changing, saying one thing one moment and another thing the next.

Think about what it's like to be a citizen who has to listen to it and try to understand it and define it.

Um I I just don't understand it.

And I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person.

But it sounded like gibberish, it sounded like a shell game to me.

Okay.

And I don't think that was the intent, but that's how it came across.

And, you know, around the Sanger, the carpet, it is what it is.

It's a done deal.

It doesn't look good.

If we want, I think squares is a great idea for easy replacement, but why pick a complex pattern when you're going to do squares?

It just didn't make sense to me.

So um, I just wanted everybody to understand what it's like to be sitting back there listening to everything, you know, being discussed, and no resolution.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else on my left, your right.

Good evening, City Council, Mr.

Gillich, Mayor.

Um, I wrote a big speech, but I'm not gonna go through the whole thing.

I'm also a member of the Sanger group, and I've done events in various markets, Nashville, Houston.

Most recent thing we've we did was we brought a ring for the Jake Paul fight in Miami about three weeks ago when he fought former world champion Anthony Joshua.

I've done music events.

I'm assistant at an event at the Hard Rock this this Friday night.

Um, I actually hold the attendance record at the Hard Rock Casino since it's opened.

I've thrown I've done the largest event in the history of the hard rock since it's been open.

Um in March, I have an event with the police chief Terry Scott at 60 years old and Pascagoula, Pascal only has 22,000 residents.

I expect well over 2,000.

So I'm I'm expecting 10% of the population to show up for that one event.

Um always been a great market, it's centrally located between New Orleans, Louisiana, and Mobile, Alabama.

So they like to come here because there's a lot of things to do after you do an event here.

Um in addition to the Singer Theater, we're also willing to work with the city to host events at Keesler Park.

Um I'm under the impression that dates are still available from the Shuckers if coordinated properly for the city, so they can recoup money for that.

Um C plus market if if you compare it to other cities, the stadium has something that there's nowhere within about 150 mile radius other than New Orleans Mobile, the capacity of 17,000 in a concert layout at MGM Park or Keysler Park.

That allows for A-class talent because currently you can't get Beyonce, Bruno Morse, Madonna, Guns and Roses, because the minimum capacity is 15,000 persons for them to do an event.

The stadium can accommodate that.

And we're capable of you know, raising the million dollars or 800,000 or whatever that it would take to host events there.

It's just something like a cherry on top with the senior theater for the council and the mayor to look at.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else on my left?

You're right.

Yes, sir.

That's my person.

Good evening, everybody.

State your name and your address and sign in for the uh my name is uh Boyce Deaton.

I'm with the Encore Sanger Group.

My address currently is 2600 Demerit Drive over in Gulfport.

I grew up 769 Whitney Drive, and I believe Ward 4 uh my entire life.

So Biloxi Native, born and raised, got a lot of roots here.

Uh essentially, just putting a capstone on this.

I'm with the on Encore Sanger group.

Essentially, I want to bring culture to uh Biloxi and to kind of bring it uh to bring it to the outside world.

Say the Sanger Theater is kind of like a big nerve almost that kind of connects us to the rest of the country with such a huge uh network of uh of culture.

Uh essentially, I think a lot of problems that happen around Biloxi or in any town whatsoever, it comes down to having pride from where you are, being able to hold your head up high and be proud of where you came from.

Whenever I grew up, there was a lot of uh a prevailing notion that where you grew up was kind of a tutorial level where you kind of moved on to bigger and better things, never look back.

And that always kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

And I think with the Sanger Theater that we can not only bring in talent from uh the outside community from across the state, uh across the state and across the country, but also to bring the culture of Biloxi with our long storied history and project it outward as well to take the community and bring it to the country.

So I'm just looking forward to hopefully working with all of you and bringing uh the beautiful culture of Biloxi to a grander stage.

That's all I have.

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else on my left, your right?

Ray, come on up, Mr.

Fusco.

Good evening, City Council.

I'm Jared Flusco from 435 Cove Drive.

Uh, it's not gonna be an interesting topic tonight.

It's not Carpet Gate, so you don't have to worry about that.

But uh actually I came here today to talk about the uh the two appointments for deputy clerks of court.

Uh it's a pretty boring topic, but I think it's kind of important.

Um I just want to point out that the start of the the resolutions for these appointments specifically mentioned that they come from the law with uh uh section 21-23-11 of the Mississippi Code.

And in that code, it says that the clerk shall attend the sittings of the court in person or by duly appointed deputies, and he shall be under the direction of the municipal judge.

I point that out in particular because that the deputy clerk themselves answers to the judge, so that's an important part.

The other part is, and this is in the resolution itself, so this is 100% accurate is it says um other municipal employees as deputy clerks of court to assist the clerk of the court in the conduct of the court's responsibility.

So the appointments, they're there to assist the clerk of court who's there to answer to the judge.

That's important.

Uh I say that because these appointments specifically, there's language in here that's a bit concerning to me.

And the language says, whereas the police department has situations that require immediate preparation of documents under oath, and it goes on to give the reasons why, including it would be advantageous to the police department to have employees on duty at such times to complete this one document.

So the concern here is obviously uh with the language and the way it's written to include uh it is the recommendation of the director of police.

No offense to John Wheeler at all here.

This is just pointing out what it says.

Um it makes it sound like these deputy clerks of court will be answering to not the assisting the clerk of court and thus answering to the judge, but it makes it sound like they'll be performing functions when on request of the police department themselves.

That creates a concern there that the I mean you've probably heard the term police court before, it's something that's not not legal, but ultimately uh they can operate that way with the way it's written.

I guess what I'm asking here is just because of the way the language is written, that if it at minimum that you table these appointments today to call and request an attorney general's opinion on the way that it's written just to make sure that it's kosher and you don't run into any issues.

That's my thoughts.

So thanks.

Thank you, Mr.

Fosco.

Anyone else on our left?

Yes, sir.

Yes, ma'am.

Hello, I'm Elaine Kulik.

Um, I've had a dance studio.

Oh, it's you need my address, 10598 D'Arville Boulevard.

I've had a dance studio here on the coast for over 30 years.

Um we were at the Sanger Theater for 10 years before it closed down.

We present the nutcracker every season, and uh, we really really need our theater back.

We don't have a theater, there's nowhere for us to perform right now.

Uh Rafe has been, I've known him for many, many years.

He is fantastic.

He can run a show, he can he can make sure all the lighting is correct.

He knows how to install everything.

He's been at Lynn Meadows, they have top of the line, video screen, lighting, everything.

He knows how to install everything.

He knows how to run a show, he knows how to light a show.

My confidence in him is incredible.

I've known him for a long time.

He would be somebody that would put the Sanger theater theater back together and be able to run it efficiently, and please give us our theater back.

It's been way too long.

We've got a whole generation of kids that have never stepped foot in the Sanger theater.

We're eight minutes away.

We have nowhere to perform.

It's very important to have the arts in Mississippi.

We help a lot of students, a lot of students.

We've gotten kids off of the 88 um D Medicine.

The arts mean a big deal to so many students.

We have nowhere to perform in Biloxi, and it's sad.

We were very fortunate because we had the Beau Rivage um that we were at for eight years running.

They now have their own production company, and so once again, we're without a theater.

So it would be so very, very crucial to students that are growing up that have never even stepped foot in the singer theater.

Give us our theater back so quickly, please.

Ten years is too long.

It's too long.

That's a whole generation of kids that have never stepped foot in the singer theater.

The arts make a difference in the students.

It makes a difference.

People come back.

I've got a student that came back, he's teaching for me now.

He's traveled all around the world.

The dance made a difference.

He grew up in poverty, and he grew up, he learned how to dance.

He's been all over the world traveling.

He met his wife in Japan.

They now have four beautiful sons together.

He's now teaching at the studio.

The arts make a difference in in kids and in children and adults.

It makes people happy.

Arts make people happy.

We need our theater back in a in a timely fashion.

And this group of people back here with the Encore Sanger, they can make it happen quickly.

We don't want to wait years.

Please don't let it be years more.

Please let me have the Sanger Theater back for our performance of the Nutcracker that we we've raised so many kids that enjoy the arts.

That we we've raised so many kids that enjoy the arts.

They look forward to come to auditions each year.

They've we've got some kids that have been dancing for eight years in the nutcracker, and they look forward to coming and spend time with their friends every season.

They work hard and train hard for three months at a time.

We bring in international dancers.

We brought more international dancers in to Mississippi than anyone else.

And it's important to us.

It's important to the students.

It's important to life in Mississippi.

The arts make a difference in the kids' lives.

And um please let this group of people take over the Sanger Theater.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Yes, sir.

Good evening, uh, Mr.

Mayor, good people of the city council.

Uh my name is Rafe O'Neill.

I'm here to represent Encore Sanger.

Uh I am feel like in this room I am probably the person that has spent the most time producing shows at our beautiful Sanger Theater.

I started uh doing things in that building about 1981, if you can believe that.

I just turned 55.

I know the building like the back of my hand, it's an old friend.

Um I like to always try to find a positive in every aspect of life, and Mr.

Mayor, uh, as far as carpet gate go is concerned.

Uh I look at it this way.

All these folks, I read a lot of the comments.

Um, all these folks that are upset, truly uh feel that the singer is important.

And to me, that says a lot about the work that you all have done.

Uh I know it's been a long, very expensive and somewhat frustrating process to restore a theater because I have done it.

Um and I want to thank you all.

You all deserve a round of applause for what you've been able to do there.

I've I've seen the insides recently, and it's in the best shape it's been in in my 55 years of life.

So thank you.

I just wanted to all to meet me, uh, those that did not know me and my skill uh what I do.

They've asked me to be their technical director, which is what I have done um all over the country for the last 36 years.

I've worked in Vegas, I've worked in a lot of the big casino cities, including here.

Uh I think I can bring some skill to and having worked in the Sanger.

I was the last person there that technically directed a show the day before it was closed by the singer.

So I I think I have uh some unique understanding of the unique uh idiosyncrasies of that beautiful building.

I want to thank you again, and I look forward to a further conversation to you about what we're proposing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Anyone else on my left?

Your right.

Anyone on my right, your left.

Anyone on this side?

Wake up, Tina.

Okay, I'll just anyone in the back of the room.

All right.

Public comments is now closed.

We'll move on to the policy agenda.

Clerk would read, starting with resolutions, resolution A.

Resolution authorizing facility rental agreement with second liners, Magig Raw Club, and a waiver of facility rental fees for the Groidge Community Center.

Chair entertain a motion to uh for discussion.

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Creel, is there a second?

Second.

Seconded by Mr.

Gray and Mr.

Creel.

So I I think we have come across this back when we first started back in July.

If there's any way when we we can go back to including the amounts that are waived in the line item rather than us having to go to the link for this one and the next one.

It was occurring where they would put the amounts in there that was waived as far as whip fee or discount uh and and whether the deposit was waived.

Um that that would help us uh a lot.

Um that's all.

Mr.

Corey.

No problems.

Any other comments?

Call for the question, or there's not any other questions or all in favor?

Opposed.

Motion is how many we got here now?

We got six people in the room, so it's three, two.

Four, two, four, two, four, two.

All right, item B.

Resolution authorizing facility rental agreement with Belexi Bay Area Chamber of Commerce and approving a waiver of facility rental fees for the Point Cadet Pavilion.

Motion.

Do I have a motion?

So moved by Mr.

Cruel, is there a second?

I'll second it.

Second by Mr.

Gray.

Mr.

Crew.

Yeah, the only concern I had, and I I met with the uh organization earlier was uh the amount of days that the that was transpiring.

And um they they explained it to me.

It's satisfactory, so I'm good.

Thank you.

Mr.

Corey.

I I think it's a great thing.

Um I'm sure a lot of people come out to watch the dog create.

Um I know my wife would probably be there, so that's all I have.

Okay, the only thing I'm gonna add, I know uh you know we we are looking at it, we get several of these almost each month.

I think at some point, instead of waiving these fees completely or or significantly, we're gonna have to make it more reasonable.

I will vote for this, a waiver today, but at some point I think we are gonna have to come up with uh a reasonable, a more reasonable amount that's fair uh to the city and what it takes to run and and maintain these uh facilities.

Um so with that, uh if nobody else has any questions or comments, I'll call for the question.

All in favor.

One, two, three, four, five.

All opposed?

I'm abstaining.

We all right.

So we're five five oh one.

All right, do I have a motion on the consent agenda?

So moved.

Uh do I have a set move by Mr.

Creel second?

Second.

Second by Mr.

Who seconded?

Just do.

Mr.

Tisdale.

All right, Mr.

Creel.

Uh so on the I'm assuming item uh I and J, real quick.

Uh what the difference between those two.

Uh the uh total amount of compensation is the same, but uh Mr.

Burke had not wanted to sign the other one because of the hourly rate, so we just tweaked his hourly rate to 100 an hour with the maximum of 200.

So basically it's a wash, it's just the wording.

We just had to rescind the first one and just approve the second one.

The compensation will remain the same.

Okay.

Uh items B and C, Chief Miller.

Um how many I know we have passed a few of these uh previously.

How how many of these um uh deputy clerks do we have?

Is there a certain number or no?

There are several.

Uh this was researched years ago and determined the judge determined at that point that he could designate people.

The reason we designate them is usually uh at night when there is no deputy clerks available.

Uh there's no judge available without us going to his home.

And so really all they do is is swear affidavits.

Somebody comes in and makes an affidavit, they can take their oath that they're doing the affidavit.

Same with uh some of the officers that tickets and they swear to those also.

And that's that's that's the extent of what the deputy clerk does.

And so that the oath uh that designation stays with them as long as they are employed.

Once if if they choose to leave, that designation doesn't go with them.

It's only for Biloxi City Court.

Only for Batchy City Court and the questions that they would have, or they would they would direct the to the court clerk.

Okay, and then the last question I have is all of the ones that we have done previously that like you said, there's a there's a number of them.

We've you use the same language for for all of the previous I think it's exactly the same language.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Um then I'm sorry.

Interject just while Mr.

Fusco was uh his objection.

I I didn't prepare this.

I agree it's the one that's always been here.

But I I read the statute refers to it states the judge can appoint uh or the governing authorities can also just appoint the deputy clerk on their own.

Which is what is being done here.

Uh so you know, the whereas that that part of the statute is not in this.

Uh if you wanted me to put that in or do it as an amendment, that's fine.

If it but I think the council is appointing this person, it's being entered in the minutes.

And uh I mean I think that covers it's it's authorized under the statute.

Whether the whereas is is perfect or not.

Well uh if you think we need to add it, we can add it.

Um I'm gonna leave that up to you.

Well, you could we would suggest you want to do an amendment to the first whereas paragraph after the word responsibilities, we can state or the governing authorities may approve deputy clerks.

Mr.

Creel, would you make that amendment?

So moved.

All right.

Do I have a second on the amendment?

I'll second it.

Thank you.

Any discussion on the amendment?

On the amendment.

All right.

Can we go ahead and vote on the amendment now and then go back and talk about go conclude some discussion on the original?

All right.

Well, we're going to vote on the amendment with the extra language.

All in favor of the amendment.

Those opposed?

For both.

For both.

For both.

Motion carries unanimous for both.

All right.

Now we're in discussion on the original.

Right, yes.

Yes, sir.

Thank you very much.

I appreciate that.

And then on item, the only question I have in you got to come up, just nod your head.

That that bid process that we're doing for that the company that's they'll they'll handle all events or all tournaments, all things at the sports complex.

We tournament the whole thing.

Perfect.

Thank you.

Um should we wait to vote on the uh the resolutions as amended now separately, or should we wait until we conclude discussion on all the consent agenda items?

We don't we amended them, but we didn't vote on the resolutions as amended.

After at the end, okay.

Just wanted to close that up with everybody.

Mr.

Tisdale.

Item M deals with concession services and an agreement, and this is uh a stray electron, and that is when we're not out at Holloway Sportsplex, for example, I'm thinking basketball or whatever.

Are there concessions available at those basketball sites?

And and it may be that wherever the site is, they somebody else's school or a community group provides that concession.

I'm just curious.

Well, I mean, as you remember, voted on having most of our basketball games will be held at the schools at the old or the upper gym as well as the Michelle, which they provide some of their own organizations, volunteer organizations, or that's fine.

I just um we in the past we did offer the concession services to any of the other facilities, but it was such a small margin at Snyder that it just really wasn't worth it.

So this is just for the sportsplex only and for basketball games or other venues.

There may or may not be a concession.

It's just good chamber.

Thank you.

That's all I have.

Is that it?

That's it.

Mr.

Schumacher?

Mr.

Marshall.

Mr.

Gray?

Yeah.

Um item A, the resolution to adopt the uh Bluxy Police Department tow manual.

Want to table this to the 20th.

Um we still have some stuff we're working out with the police department and uh city attorney.

So we want to table that to the next meeting on the 20th.

Make a motion.

Is that a are you moving, making a motion to extend tabling it to the motion to table it to the 20th?

There's a motion by Mr.

Gray to extend tabling this to the 20th.

Do I have a second?

So move.

The second by Mr.

Creel.

Uh all in favor?

Um can we have some discussion?

Can we have some discussion?

Oh, sure.

If you discussion before we vote.

What is it?

What generally speaking?

What is it that has to be worked out?

Or we're working out the pricing.

Some of the the pricing for like the heavy toes and stuff is not having an issue with that with some of the one of the tow companies and so many other stuff is not in here for like cleanup.

We're trying to protect the citizens.

So whenever they get in a wreck, they're not, you know, to have to pay out of pocket for their stuff.

So we're trying to protect everybody.

For the most part, it's heavy toe, and the cost of that heavy toe, and maybe some other smaller issues that the accurate.

We just want to make sure it's right the first time and we don't have to come back again.

Okay.

All right.

The motion to extend tabling it uh to the 20th has been uh made and second it.

All in favor?

Those opposed?

Motion carries.

Uh and I don't have anything.

Uh we'll go ahead and vote on the consent agenda, uh, noting that we do have two items uh that uh have been amended.

What?

Yes.

All right.

All in favor?

What is that?

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Any exceptions, ms.

Mr.

Gray?

Any exceptions, Mr.

Marshall?

Mr.

Neil?

Mr.

Creel?

No exception.

Mr.

Tisdale.

No, sir.

Mr.

Shoemaker, and I have none.

All right.

We'll move on to code enforcement hearings.

Mr.

Jerry Creel.

What we'd like to ask the council to do, we have five of these cases that we would like to ask that they be continued until the 20th.

What happened?

They were advertised correctly.

Everything was done correctly.

But the signs that were placed in the yard of these five properties had 130 time on it today, not the 6 o'clock.

Can you can you identify those for the council?

Item A, item B, item E.

B is F and item G.

Chair will entertain a motion to uh extend these to the 20th.

Yes.

Just real quick.

So it's A B D as and dog F and G.

Uh E F and G.

A B E F and G.

Those five.

Thank you.

Okay.

Chair entertain a motion to extend these to the 20th.

I'll make a motion.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Gray.

Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Mr.

Tisdale.

Any discussion?

All in favor.

Those opposed?

Motion carries.

Item Care Lou Geis Richards, 245 Seal Avenue.

That case has been resolved.

Item D, MTB Transportation Incorporated, 433 Lamia Street.

That case has been resolved.

Item H, Elliot Spears Estate, 427, Raynor Street.

This property is still in violation.

Move that we table this for 90 days.

I'll second that.

All right.

Motion to table for how many days?

90.

For uh another 90 days?

Yes.

Okay.

And it's been duly seconded.

Any discussion?

Yes.

On this property right here, the dog.

I plan to go in more detail, but I'm going to go short because of the time frame.

In my area, in East Beluxy area, we already have a lot of vacant lots.

This house is actually structurally sound.

It's just as more of a abandonment issue.

There's uh some slight things that could be done to fix it to get it to the point and tearing it down or destroying it or doing anything like that.

We'll just create another empty lot.

That would bring down the property values throughout my whole community.

So the problem with this property is that it is this particular property and many, many more is that this air property.

And the family is needing more time to go through to follow their differences.

So that's why we have on the table this rather than create a vacant lot with them creating uh hurting the whole community.

Gotcha.

Mr.

Tisdale.

Yeah, no, I see the word estate there.

I know sometimes it takes a while to work these out.

That's all.

Thank you.

Question, Director.

Um does this pose any safety hazards?

Uh does it need to be boarded up or anything like that?

It's not an imminent danger of falling down, which is what the code requires.

Uh like Mr.

Marshall said, the problem has been that the owners have tried to do some things that just hadn't been able to work it out.

Uh the roof has a tarp on it.

It is structurally sound.

It's just that it's more unsanitary than anything else.

Okay.

All right.

While we're in discussion in particular this, uh we'll like to in the future find a way, probably before the next meeting, to get with Mr.

Creel to find uh uh in-between between uh tearing it down or something else to to keep from losing.

We don't need more vacant lights, so we're gonna I'm gonna hold off on everything else.

So I want to follow up on that.

Was the action to tear this house down or was it?

It was demolition.

We were going for demolition.

All right, yes.

Okay.

All in favor opposed, motion carries.

Okay, item I open doors homeless coalition, 2793 Fernwood Road.

That case has been resolved.

Item J.

Samuel J.

Fitz, 12457, John Lee Road.

This property is still in the case.

Yeah, may I?

This is I can we we gave a 30-day extension and I dropped the ball on it.

So I would ask if we could get in my apologies if we could get just the 30-day extension.

All right, you making that motion?

Uh yes, please.

I'll second it.

All right.

Motion made uh by Mr.

Shoemaker, seconded by Mr.

Tisdale.

Any additional discussion?

All in favor?

Opposed?

Motion carries.

Code enforcement hearings are closed.

All right.

Move.

I need a motion for the well actually we're gonna go into executive session.

So the chair needs a motion uh for the council to go into closed session for the purpose of of examining the necessity to go into executive session to discuss Mason D.

Orleans property.

So moved.

Move by Mr.

Creel.

Second by Mr.

Gray.

Any discussion?

All in favor?

Any opposed motion carries?

So moved.

Moved by Mr.

Creel.

Second by Mr.

Gray.

All in favor.

Motion carries.

Now we need a motion for the council to go in executive session.

So moved.

Mr.

Krill.

Mr.

Gray, any discretion?

All in favor?

Those opposed, we're in executive session.

I'm an executive.

All right, everybody.

Chair entertain a motion that the council conclude the executive session and reconvene as an open meeting and that no action was taken.

Do I have a motion?

Moved by Mr.

Creel.

Second by Mr.

Nail.

Any discussion?

All in favor?

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Do I have a motion on the routine agenda?

Moved by Mr.

Tisdale.

Second.

Second by Mr.

Creel, Mr.

Tisdale.

Not a thing.

Not a thing, Mr.

Creel.

Not a thing.

Mr.

Marshall.

Anybody else?

All in favor?

Those opposed.

Motion carries.

To adjourn.

So moved.

Thursday will second it.

Motion carries.