I can get a motion uh to approve the uh minutes.

So moved or approve the agenda.

Approved the agenda.

So moved.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

I have a second.

Second by Mr.

Rob.

I mean Mr.

Creel.

You look like a Rob to me, but sorry about that.

Um before we get started, yeah.

I'm gonna ask uh as a courtesy, Mr.

Uh Dane has asked to uh say a few things.

If you can just come up we'll vote on the agenda.

All in favor, those opposed motion carries.

Now, if I can ask Mr.

Dane to come up, state your name and and address.

Uh we'll give you about three minutes to speak.

Uh just goes through two now.

Put me on to on this particular agenda item we have.

You know this thing was first to see this right.

See that memorial is first thing that I came, I'll look at the lighthouse.

Very impressive when inside visitor center or visitor labor's pattern.

And then I'm going across the street.

I remember the first thing I went to Disney left 35 years ago.

How clean.

So a simple little thing, like a garbage can where people come, keep it clean, get a you know, make sure, but I see over there they're overflowing, they're dirty.

That's an impression that people when they first come here see.

That's your Vortex sort of a blocky.

Make it your shining star.

We're doing oh look how clean this is.

These people that's so important.

A little simple little item, and it's not expensive.

You know, what's a top of a garbage can cost to clean, paint or something?

Get a can of cane.

Those are simple things you can do.

And I thought there's so many ideas to be creative, also to generate more money to apply for items like the library.

I can help with that.

I've done it all across the country.

I raised millions of dollars for cities who have no money, get creative.

We brought out our flag.

I told you last week.

We brought out our flag.

We raised a fundraiser, we took a picture, sold it for a dollar.

80,000 pictures posted were sold, donated to the USL.

Think they were happy?

Absolutely.

There's a lot of ways, what I'm saying.

Creative, unique ways the city can take it out of on their own initiative, your own creativity.

It's not hard.

Do you want to wait for the federal government something?

You know, you're gonna wait a long time.

Help.

The creativity is here.

You can do it.

I'll help.

I'll give you ideas that work in the past.

We're doing uh world's largest flag again for Memorial Day in Omaha and Lincoln, Nebraska.

We're looking for veterans, congressional medal of honor winners here.

Tom, that we want to bring them to it and be the first ones to unfurl that flag.

Historic event again.

The military people.

I'm sure there's some Medal of Honor winners here, bronze star winners, veterans.

We also want to give them because I'm part of the 250 uh celebration for America.

Get some veterans.

They're having that big fight, national flag day, President Trump's birthday in the UFC fight right there.

4,000 seats are slated for veterans.

I'm sure there's a few veterans here in Biloxi that would love to go.

Anyway, I'd love to help the city.

I love to see a lot of great people.

And hey Way, please contact me.

Thank you, Mr.

Dane.

Thank you.

Appreciate your comments.

Okay.

Um we'll go ahead and open it up uh for the subject matter.

If the clerk would read the subject matter, and then we'll go ahead and uh get somebody to uh kind of introduce the subject.

To discuss the funds received from the Mississippi Department of Revenue person went to the Mississippi infrastructure.

All right.

Council would like to open this up for discussion, or you want to uh proceed from the council level.

Come back to you.

Yeah, the mayor is gonna he's gonna come in uh at some time in the hopefully in the next half hour to hour his uh taking care of uh Serena's uh knee.

But uh I think uh Christy's here.

He had Christy go through the previous um the previous list and make delineations of what could be covered under the MIMA diversion of debt service.

Uh we've also got Jason here to talk about some of the particulars of that of how that would work in conjunction with the uh existing uh geo-bond resolution that's it's still on the table.

All right.

Christy, you want to kind of kick this off?

So the list is the same except for we have added uh three three things to the list.

The first being under the MIMA diversion options for the MIMA diversion money would be uh citywide water meter replacement project to replace some not we have about three thousand not reading meters right now that need to be replaced.

And also the Bellavie uh main thoroughfare, that's the Frisbee project, doing a for lack of a better term, building that it would be a construction road that the in the in the existing thoroughfare that we are already have under we're already under contract with the frisbees to build those those two big thoroughfares.

Basically what this would do is build a construction road in those locations that as the project could progresses, we could turn into a permanent road, but it gives the construction traffic a means to get to Lorraine Road instead of traveling through some of the small narrow local roads that they're traveling through now, because all of this construction work is having a pretty significant uh impact on our our local roads up there.

The other thing that we added was the West Biloxi Library roof replacement, and we did that under the the geobond debt.

Um and I noticed an error when I updated the spreadsheet.

The total for the geo bond, it didn't pick up the the 305,000 for the roof.

So the total should be $8,318,000 eighty dollars.

Those are the three projects that we've added.

Other than that, the rest of the projects and the rest of the priorities remain the same.

Um so really I guess if y'all have any questions, comments, concerns, we'll I'm gonna address anything.

Um Mr.

Marshall, you want to begin with you?

You want to go last?

You want to go last?

Okay.

Mr.

Schumacher.

Uh just on the water meters.

You mentioned 3,000 water meters needed to be replaced.

Are the so those aren't reading at all now?

There we go.

Um that's correct.

They're not reading at all right now.

And we're basically we've hit the time period um where we're just over 10 years where we initially put those meters in, and so they're starting to fail.

A lot of them will probably be warranty items, but we've still got to have somebody go out there, pull them out, check them, and send them back to the company.

Um we're just having we're still low staffed in our water department.

We're not still not able to retain people, so we're not able to make any significant headway.

So I had talked to the mayor about adding it to a as a potential MIMA funded thing to go so we could try to get ahead of this.

How is that working when it comes to reading or can they even read the gallons that they're having to go out manually read instead of automatic reads.

So it's just taking a few people we have a lot longer to that's correct.

There we're getting readings off of them.

It's just that they're not automatically reading, and it's it's very time consuming.

And we can't seem to get ahead of ourselves because we're always reading, so we can't go out and replace because we're always reading, and so that's that's the intent of that.

And just one more.

Um and I'm gonna speak a little bit on the Bellevue main or the road.

I no doubt that will for me in Ward 7 will help tremendously with a couple of the small subdivisions, just because it will, like Christy said, give a thoroughfare for the construction trucks that are coming and going uh daily for all the construction.

Uh there are hundreds of houses being built, but even more so than that, the city, and I don't have a date.

Um it's been, if I'm not mistaken, long before anybody on in this administration, but when all that was approved, the city agreed to to build and construct and pay for a couple of internal roads.

And I think it's about getting to be that time where we construct them.

So it would it would to twofold, it would help alleviate all the the construction traffic, but plus we're on the hook for that anyway.

So at some point soon we're gonna have to build that and have that, we're gonna have to get that money from somewhere to start constructing those couple of roads.

So just I mean, and if anybody wants to go out there, I we can ride, I can show you whatever y'all want out there in the subdivisions, but again, that's twofold.

And and you know, if I'm not mistaken, uh Christy, that it's come in time soon where we were gonna have to construct those two roads in that's what I thought you had.

Correct.

The next two phases are moving up into that area where we have not already constructed the road.

So part of this we could construct that that section if we needed to, if we're at that at that point with the frisbees as a railroad, and then we could c correct the rest of connect connect the rest of it with just a construction type road.

Just like the road that's out there now on the backside that goes to Woodland Hills, it would be the same exact type of road.

And this and I know it says uh a million dollars here.

That's probably semi-close, you think?

Yeah, that's that's semi-close.

You know, we haven't done any design.

We haven't done we have a layout, so I did notice that there's actually an old looks like old logging road that's in this exact location.

So it may end up being a little less than that.

We won't have to do as much clearing as we think, you know.

It it it kind of varies.

So we we just kind of ballpark that number in the city.

I figured it was a ballpark.

All right, thank you.

That's all I have for.

You're welcome.

I'll go over to Mr.

Nail.

Um some of these things on here, are we uh trying to eliminate some of these, or are we just trying to see what we can?

Um do you want to eliminate?

I don't want to eliminate nothing, but so some of these, if you'll see under the second column where they have like zeros, like for instance, dredging H and Oaks has zero dollars.

Like though that means that's not gonna go into the general obligation bond.

That was originally on a list from the very beginning, and those are other funding sources.

There's Tideland grants, or is good there's other grants that could pay for those things.

So I think that's kind of the intent is to show what we started with and how these things can be funded.

Okay.

Some of them not funded by these two means, but maybe funded by other means.

Okay, all right, thank you.

You're welcome.

Mr.

Chisdale.

Um Thank you.

First of all, my request would be when we get handouts, if they would always be dated.

So we know, and if it's a previous handout that's been modified that original date and then the revision date.

That's just a me thing.

All right.

So in listening to what you said to be sure I understand this handout.

That first section at the top is totaled at 12.9 million, roughly.

And that's MIMA Diversion Debt Service, correct?

And that total is accurate.

Um as far as you know.

Okay.

As far as I know, yes.

So so we're looking at MIMA to pay for these projects.

Okay.

And they would option.

MIMA can pay for these projects.

Could they would be eligible?

And uh in order to do that based on when we receive MIMA funds, we would have to schedule these accordingly if they were paid with MIMA funds.

Correct.

All right.

Now the next section, and you told us that that total in green needs to be revised with the addition of the West Biloxi Library.

That's roughly 8.3 million.

Now does that include well, when we have several projects, you noted we're Z road out.

Correct.

All right.

And that and that is reflected in that total 8.3 million.

Yes.

Okay.

Is this your spreadsheet?

Or is that this is the mayor's spreadsheet.

The mayor's okay.

But I just updated it for these two couple things.

Okay, I just wanted to be sure because we're looking at numbers and totals and all that stuff.

Okay.

So that would be general obligation.

So we'd be looking at the uh GO bond for that.

Okay.

And that bottom section, which uh has a total in red, that's two point roughly 2.6 million.

And these are MDEQ federal grant matches.

Correct.

All right.

So that would that money would come from the bond?

No, that's uh the part of that is a word of funded, the other we're getting in, we're applying for an MDEQ or planning to apply for an MDEQ SRF loan to pay the match to the water grant.

So they would not be included in either one of these more general obligations.

That's good to know.

All right.

So the edgewater estates water line replacement is what I'm specifically interested in.

That hinges on whether or not we get a word of grant.

Correct.

And we may or may not get a word of grant.

Correct.

Do we anything at this point would be speculation?

Correct.

We haven't received the money yet.

Okay, I remind you you're not under oath.

Well, I mean, you know.

All right.

Shortly to the point.

Um okay, a couple of other questions.

So Waterfield subdivision with Pine Grove Avenue being uh whatever that infrastructure issue is, uh if we can get that corrected, then I'm I'm working with the county and they have some money available to resurface some, perhaps all, because I've been they've been sitting on that money for a couple of years now, whatever the amount is.

Um but that repair does not include resurfacing the streets in that subdivision.

It's a small subdivision.

It would include point repair wherever we do the point repairs, it would include the surface of that specific location, but not paving of the whole company.

Right.

So that would be roughly the central single stretch of Pine Grove Avenue.

Thank you.

All right.

Edgewater estates.

If we get the word of grant, we'll replace replace the water lines.

And but that does not include resurfacing.

So they would go in and and basically patch whatever cuts they've made across the road.

It depends on the type of it depends on what Warda tells us if we're allowed to some some grant funding sources only allow us to do the where we did the cut, some will allow us to repay the whole road.

So that's to be determined.

All right, so that would be a maybe.

Then Bay Vista, we're replacing the water lines, and that's gonna be done, you said another few months it'll be done.

They're done, they're out of there.

By the way, thank you for having them go in and repair sink coal that was formed.

Appreciate that.

But but that's there's no mention of financing a project to resurface that subdivision, correct?

That that is correct.

So there is another list of um of paving that needs to be done.

It's not included any of this typically we we use word of I mean not word up MIMA funding for that, but you're right.

Okay.

We we we have a list of potential paving projects, but it's not part of this right here.

Okay.

La last question, I think.

Fire station three, the roof, fire station three, is that over there on Elder Street?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

That's it, thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Tisdale.

Uh Ms.

Mr.

Creel.

Uh so the the roads you mentioned, um, not the construction road, but the other roads that we're doing for the Frisbee, it was that budgeted at the time, or is that to be budgeted?

To be budgeted.

To be budgeted.

And that would qualify for MIMA funds?

Well, or no, it would.

And then the construction road is separate.

So the the future roads that we're discussing is not on this list.

This is just that that one road.

Yes, this is basically so the the construction road will turn into that main road eventually.

But what we're proposing since we have to build it any the main road anyway, because we have that agreement with the Frisbees to do that, to go ahead and put the construction road because it's cheaper than building out a full road, and it allows the construction traffic, the trucks, the dump trucks, the concrete trucks, while we're building while they're building these hundreds of houses to get out.

Right to Lorraine Road.

Okay, and then um so do we does anyone know the next payment?

Don't we have another MIMA payment upcoming?

Do we know?

We do.

Generally it comes in about this time of year, probably the next month or so.

I would assume and we still have the previous one still pending on the table, correct?

That is correct.

Uh and the last question, I I was looking at this from the the asterisks that are on this spreadsheet.

I I don't know what those are for, though those are the mayors.

Okay.

I mean we'll ask him when he gets here, I guess.

All right.

All right, thank you.

Is that it?

Crew Mr.

Marshall.

Okay.

Mr.

Marshall.

I'm just I'm just really getting to the point where I'm counting.

I wish we can get stuff like this.

Like a few hours beforehand or something.

So I'm going over it now in real time.

So is it kind of totally unfair?

Actually, it's unfair to me.

It's gonna compare to people who I'm making the decision for, which is my constituents.

So I for lack lack of a better word.

I'm astounded we couldn't get this earlier.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Marshall.

Um, I got a few questions uh just on specific projects and uh and ward six.

So the first one on the list is uh I want to talk about is Mason Road.

Uh how easy, I know we've talked about bringing utilities up in the Woolmarket area.

How easy is it to uh I guess target this road for lack of a better word uh versus maybe other areas?

Is it is it pretty simple to connect the dots here versus maybe other areas?

There are utilities on Hudson Cron that we could tie into.

Okay.

So it's not um it's not one of the more difficult places to this would this would tie into that commitment that we continuously hear that hey, we were waiting for you to bring utilities up in this area, so this would continue to connect those dots if we could fulfill that obligation and that promise uh to the Mason Road residents, and then maybe uh perhaps that begins connecting dots to other areas once we once we uh fulfill that if possible.

Okay, good.

Um the Nazi Road drainage, Belmont Gardens, you and I have met with them uh several times.

This has existed for over 20 years.

Uh the flooding, I know some of the uh council members have uh taken time to go out there and see it.

Uh these are uh apartments for seniors on uh low income.

And the canal that's running behind it continues when it rains, whether it's light or heavy, over uh flows the banks and it get gets into these residents.

Uh the housing, they're unable to uh rent some of them in in some cases for an extended period of time.

Um I think it's a pretty good need.

They've pleaded, they've asked, they have waited patiently, uh, and I think this has been identified as one of the high priorities uh on Modsee Road.

So uh is there any new developments of anything in that area, or it's uh it's not if anything, it's probably deteriorating getting worse.

Yeah, no, there's there's nothing new in there.

Okay, well, hopefully uh we can get them some relief soon.

Um moving down the list, uh Brody uh tribe sidewalks, it's well documented of the tremendous amount of uh both residential commercial um growth in that area, but especially in this area, Brody and Tribe, the resident uh building is is uh intense.

Uh to my count, seven or eight hundred uh units and homes are being built here.

Uh the school is in this area, the recreation facilities are just busting at the seams with uh tournament play and youth ball play.

Um I think that's a pretty good need, and the the outlay is relatively 300,000.

That's that's not not a lot to get that phase implemented.

We got a new uh upper elementary that's gonna be nearby.

So the the bus traffic and the children walking the sidewalks in the neighborhoods, the new neighborhoods is gonna be tremendous.

So, you know, hopefully we can uh do something for that.

It's just makes sense.

So that's pretty good.

Uh and that's so that's MIMA.

Of the 12,900, 500 uh 903, 500 that is identified, we only have probably about 4 million uh available when this next round of funding comes in.

Is am I correct in saying that?

It when the next MIMA comes in?

Yeah.

We get about two million.

We I think there's four million sitting there now.

So as we have to say, so director, correct me if I'm wrong if I'm making this assumption.

So if we say we're gonna use MONA funds and we start the process with this, and we we know we have four million available to get whatever uh projects we identify and we get a resolution, this this council approves it.

We can still start the process because we're anticipating even more MIMA funds to come in as we're getting uh engineer reports or or bids or or whatever.

Am I safe to say that assumption is sound?

Yes.

Okay.

So about a third of this, we we may have the funding in the next month for two-thirds we can start the process so we can get ahead of the game.

You know, it's it's kind of like that traffic signal uh for the upper elementary on uh on uh uh on Pops Ferry Road.

We're trying to get ahead of the curve and and do things for the good of Bloxy in advance, so we don't we're not late uh to the dance.

Okay.

Um the bond, uh I understand the bond.

It it looks like we've trimmed it down to an amount that was uh when we had budget discussions.

That was our initial commitment, so I'm looking forward to those discussions to come up on the bond.

I don't have any new new uh comments on the bond.

Um that concludes my report, Mr.

Schumacher.

Just looking over the list.

So everything on this list qualifies for MIMA funds.

Yeah.

So the play okay.

I didn't realize playgrounds and like even the the top.

Yeah, oh just the top.

Okay, excuse me.

I didn't mean to just the top.

I'm sorry.

Okay.

Okay.

That's it.

That's good.

That's all I had.

Thank you.

Okay.

Any other comments, Mr.

Kisdale.

Thanks, Christy.

So if we don't get the word of grant, then uh Edgewater estates, the waterline project is just out in the wind.

All right.

Um and looking at the list, if we do get the word of grant, then the local match would come out of the bond money, correct?

That's gonna affect what I'm saying is that's because it's in the loan.

You'll notice in the in the cut that column at the top of the column, it says very top of the page, it says from the bond.

Yeah.

Yeah, but I it's that's uh that's not the I don't.

But it says that under the MIMA too.

Okay, like so it's not other than that.

This is the mayor's spreadsheet.

I understand my spreadsheet would look differently in your special as well.

The intent is for it to come out of an SRF loan for the Mayor.

Okay.

SRF.

All right.

SRF.

Yeah.

That is MDEQ State Revolving Loan Fund.

Basically, it's a low interest loan that you can get from the State from DEQ or the health department.

Right.

What concerns me is if we don't get the word a grant, then we still have edgewater estates out there with water lines that are as bad or worse as what we just replaced in Bay Vista.

That's that's my priority item on this list.

That's the thing that has to get done.

So if we don't get the word a grant, uh we we just have to figure out where we're gonna get the money because it won't be in the bond money.

And uh I guess it would come out of MIMA and whatever our priorities are for spending that MIMA funds would have to be shuffled to take that into account.

May I comment on that?

My thoughts are uh my thoughts, Paul was you know, yeah, I see where it's designated on the list, but uh it's it's dangerous to say these these items on the bond list are etched in stone because of your very point.

That may become a priority, and some of the items that are identified on the bond list may have to move down because that project could very well take priority.

And I don't think any if anyone had a resolution before us to say this is what we're gonna use bond money for because those water systems are failing.

Uh I think you would probably have uh pretty good support here, I think.

And that's my point on be careful about saying hey, you can only be used for these items, because that's the very argument that the mayor should have some discretion and flexibility to bring those those situations to us so we can make that decision.

That's my comment.

Which triggered another thought in that is it's a pretty comprehensive list at this point.

And something's gonna happen that's unforeseen that's gonna be significant, uh or maybe a couple of those or three of those with the aging infrastructure in West Biloxi.

Correct.

And so also this even though this is the MIMA and the bond list, it this isn't everything that we have in the works or out there or things that need to be addressed.

You know, we have our lovely repair replace list we have the Christie list.

Okay.

No, so don't don't think that just because something's not on here, it's not gonna get done.

These are just the priorities for the MIMA and the bond at this point.

Okay.

Thanks again, Christy.

Chris.

So it was much of my attention if as I'm looking at these asterisks, it looks like most of them, if not all of them, have to do with the public safe the public safety oriented, maybe just a public safety building.

So looking at that, would it be safe to say or assume rather that maybe we looked at that grant that was with Congress that was a direct appropriation that was good for uh that's the other thing too is that you know we have worked with some of with our our congressional leadership for grants for some of these things, but we don't know if that we're gonna get them.

You know, there's that's all that's still in the air.

So these are not I know we had a deadline, it was late April, so I I'm assuming just looking.

We put all those in with uh our congressional leadership.

Okay, perfect.

Thank you.

I think the water grant has already been approved at five million, and the current work that's going on now is to get that moved up to 15 million.

So uh when they fund that, I mean I I think it's a good bet there will be at least five million.

So I think it's possible the mayor may have been looking at different funding sources.

Right.

Five from here, five from there.

So and that's the other thing is I don't know what the timeline is for this congressional funding, and I don't know how fluid that is.

Apparently it's fluid, but the mayor's keeping his fingers on that pulse.

Thank you, Peter.

Okay.

For now, okay.

We'll go over here, Mr.

Nell.

You have anything to add?

Yeah, I got a question.

Common kind of common sense question.

Say, like um think the uh teleport baseball fields.

225,000 and the bathrooms are 175.

This is say it's not gonna cost that that much.

That's just a figure that was thrown out there.

And and the baseball field was only 75,000.

Could we take the extra money and do some of the things on my list is blocked off?

That would be up to the mayor.

You'd have to discuss the mayor how to how the balance of that money would be spent, but if we don't spend it, it's still there.

You know, it doesn't cost some of the figures just seem like they're they're real high.

Well, we try to use current bid prices um because we're we we do this type of work all the time.

It's what we do, us and parks and rec.

So we use current bid prices, and it's generally higher to do government work because they have to have lots of insurance and bonds and things like that that's the government you don't have to have.

Mr.

Marshall.

Uh house of I was discussing about the Henry Bay Park.

Uh the um the little house there is is uh boarded up and need to be fixed.

So I didn't see that on here.

I was requesting it to be put it on there.

So am I did I miss that point or did I not get it in right?

We have a house that's that's taped off, can't be used.

Totally unsafe.

I can bring it up to the mayor.

Okay, so I need a good estimate on that to see what it's they're gonna take to bring that up to park.

Uh so we have total use of the park.

Sure, I'll bring it up.

Uh, next thing is uh I'm gonna reserve my comments.

All right.

Any other comments, any other business?

All right, Peter.

I do have a question.

I do have you don't mind it start okay.

We're seeing here where we say it's saying Myanmar Diversion Debt Service.

The mayor had mentioned one time of instead of waiting on the money to come in every six months, uh floating a bond, a separate bond.

Is that what you is that what's saying what's being said here?

That's kind of what I was gonna ask Jason to come up and explain.

Uh let's say the Mama is four million a year.

I think if you allocated, or if the council allocated say a million and a half of that for debt service, that would go to cover a certain amount of projects.

I believe though, and Jason, if you want to come up confirm this.

So we changing one bond to another bond.

Well, there is no specific Mama bond.

These MIMA projects would be within a general obligation bond, but the debt service will be paid through the Mama, not through the general the general fund.

The general debt service fund.

To get the better rate.

Yes, it will actually two reasons.

One, it does get you a better rate doing this general obligation, but two, uh there's no specific statute that allows you to do a revenue bond that just pledges the MIMA money, like there is for water and sewer debt, for example.

Uh so the way these are being done around the state that we've worked on, you do a general obligation bond, but instead of levying a tax, not award tax for debt service or paying another general fund, you pay the portion of debt service that uh is covering the MIMA projects, MIMA eligible projects with the MIMA money.

But you still have to do a general obligation.

Answer your question.

So it is two bonds.

No, it's not two bonds, it's one bond.

It's one bond.

But for the projects that are being financed that are not MIMA projects, that is what uh either an available debt service uh would be, advocate tax for debt service would be around the general fund.

And I believe what the mayor has been talking about is using uh as the existing bonded debt rolls off, that frees up some of that millage that's being levied for Advil Advil or Millage for debt service now, and using that to go towards those nine Lima projects, but one bond.

Yep.

So how what percentage of the MIMA funds are we talking about commit?

Well, the debt service on an 18 million uh bond, let's say the last projections that we had, and that's 18 million, not just this 12 million here.

Uh for a 20-year bond, it'd be about 1.4 million dollars a year.

Um for a 10-year bond, it's about 2.3.

If you do go out to 30 years, which you can do, uh, but the life is on this project's probably wouldn't allow for that.

That's about 1.1 million.

What we're really looking at is that 20-year bond, uh par amount of $18 million, uh little over $1.45 million a year for debt service for the whole $18 million.

But $12 million of that is going to come from the MIMA.

$12 million of the par amount will go toward the MIMA, that's correct.

Well percent in the MIMA.

In other words, we're not going to do the hundred percent of MIMA.

What percentage in the MIMA are we talking about?

Let's say well, let's uh that would be roughly $18 million a little longer a million dollars.

Right at about a million dollars, a little bit under maybe.

We get four million a year, one million of it coming from MIMA.

Yeah.

A little bit less, maybe actually, yes.

So we're getting four million a year, and we did that one million, we have three million to work with pretty much our roads that are happening emergencies and things like that.

Ongoing, yes.

And I would remind you that the MIMA money uh you can't bank it year over year.

Uh they want you to spend it or obligate it on projects.

Uh they will draw it back if you don't use it.

Yeah, I would like to add to that too.

We have to submit reports every year to the state to prove that we've spent the money.

So, yeah, that's a good point.

This money is still sitting here.

If we don't spend it, it might go away.

It has gone away in some areas when when counties or cities failed to use it.

Uh Mr.

Tizda, did you have did I see a report somewhere where you had shown different years, the amounts?

In the past, have we ever banked the money before?

Do you know anything about that?

No, what I did was I went back and I researched resolutions to see when we started receiving MIMA funds.

I don't have the dates, but I've got the resolution numbers, and the the first check we got, as I recall, was in 2020.

That amount was roughly 207,000.

The last one I show is uh sometime in 25, and that amount for that MIMA was 2.04 million.

But that's just me researching the resolutions on that.

So we have one year to use the money, is that correct?

Is that what you tell me?

Do we have a what's the what's the time frame to use the MIMA money?

You have to have it obligated, I believe, is what they have you do, uh that year.

So long as they have it obligated, we can still hold it in the account, but it is obligated.

Yeah, but you can't hold it long.

Yeah, they uh the state is also getting more anxious about pulling back unused money uh for various reasons, not the least of which is the income tax cut that's coming.

If I may.

Yes, sir.

So Christy, with the MIMA reports, and I noticed something about that.

They they want to know, I think originally what you were going to spend it on, but they also want to know what you have spent it on so they that they can see that it's being spent and they can tell what it's doing in different parts of the state.

Could I get a copy of those reports?

Uh sure.

I will say too, part of what we we have to do is we have to prove what we've spent in public works, because you're also not allowed to replace your current budget with MIMA funds.

But we have to go through and what we've spent, I mean it's it's a very complicated.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

So I'm more than I'm more than happy to share that report with you, but it's when you get it, it doesn't, it's it's not it will give us an idea of what projects this money was used.

It doesn't have any of that on it.

It just shows what we've spent.

It doesn't, we don't have to break down what we've spent the projects, the money on.

Okay.

All right, that's good.

Lima was to have have y'all do infrastructure projects that you otherwise would not.

It's not just to continue the status quo.

Well, again, that's the supplying versus the supplementing issue.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thanks, Jason.

Thanks, Chris.

Mr.

Obart, anything else to add?

All right.

Anything else to add by the council?

Quick question.

Quick question by Creel.

So based on what you just said, it's it's not necessarily a crapshoot, but you have to you know this MIMA money is coming in, so for future projects.

So you try to allocate that because once you dedicate additional revenue sources to a project, you can't replace it with MIMA money.

No, you can't replace your daily operation costs, your salary, you can't buy like equipment, you can't hire five more people, you can't let people go and hire temp workers with MIMA money, that kind of stuff.

So you can change if it's an infrastructure related project, and let's say we had water sewer money allocated to it, but and then MIMA money came in, we can transfer water sewer funds to another project and replace that with but it's not you can't replace what you would normally do.

Like we have we have to submit a whole history every year.

So they have our history of what we spend out of our general fund to prove that we're not funding our public works operations in the US.

In addition to rather than in lieu of.

Yes.

Okay.

Correct.

Thank you.

Okay.

Let me uh go back on there.

I missed the part about the 3,000 water meters.

How are we paying for that?

Well, right now we're trying to find a way to pay for it.

That's one of the things we've been digging in into.

So that's the same thing.

One of the options is on the we put it on the MIMA list.

That's one of the options.

So MIMA would pay for the water meters.

Yes, it can it can pay to replace water meters.

Okay.

It's infrastructure.

Okay.

So the water company, the water department don't have any set aside funds for anything like that?

We don't have enough excess revenue.

We we need about 300,000 is just the labor to do it.

And we've been we've been buying the meters and put stocking them up in the warehouse, but we don't have an extra 300,000 in excess revenue to do that.

Do we get reimbursed if we do for using these funds for uh buying water meters?

Do we get reimbursed from the enterprise fund for that?

Or that's oh it would be through the enterprise fund.

No.

No, no, no, no.

This we wouldn't be able to this wouldn't be, it would either MIMA would pay for it, because MIMA can pay for any infrastructure, even though that's that's enterprise fund, MIMA can pay for infrastructure type work.

And it wouldn't be necessarily reimbursing us.

Gotcha.

So wait a minute.

It would be in lieu of.

If it bought three, if it was three thousand water meters, that would give us less money for the rest of the city.

I'm asking, why can't the water department does it make enough money to pay for its own water meters?

Um and actually that's one of the things that we we need to look at.

The State's requiring us to do a rate study, and that's one of the things we will be looking at later this year.

So the water, the water the uh the water department is losing money.

I won't say it's losing money, but we don't have enough excess revenue to to do all the things that we need to do in the water department.

Now, mind you, just because MIMA is going to pay for the meters, it's like Werta paying for the water line replacement in Woolmarket.

You know, we have other funding sources that pay for water and sewer, not just enterprise fund.

We get grants for that too, just like anything else.

Yeah, but what it does is decrease the amount of money that we have to fix roads and things in our war.

We are going to but it also helps uh for us to get it helped us get accurate revenues on the enterprise fund side because we're having to go out and manually read reader manually read and then spend the time, the employees just go out there to actually read it.

So if we can get these back automatic reading, then that helps to save money on the enterprise fund, which helps which helps everybody, because then we can do other projects within the water and sewer.

So basically, were you you're in a nice way you just say that we're gonna lose infrastructure money that we can use on the roads, paving roads and things like that to fix something that the water company, the water department can't fix because you know that doesn't generate enough revenue?

We do it all the time.

There's other, you know, there's other water projects on this, there's other water and sewer projects on this list.

You know, the Mason Road utilities, um, pine grove water and sewer sewer drainage and drainage repairs, the sewer repairs, MOTS not MOTSI, Rodenberg sewer repairs.

That's all in the MIMA.

That's all utility.

That's all water sewer enterprise.

And MO and that's an that's an eligible expense under the MIMA rules.

So coming from the NFT water department, water enterprise, the enterprise.

How much of this is just on them?

Do you have a total of these projects?

Yeah.

The MIMA money.

Is I don't understand your question.

Okay.

On the on the uh MIMA money, you're saying that we're going to be using the MIMA money for water and sewer projects.

Well, some of these projects include water and sewer, yes.

Yes.

I'm asking, do you how total?

That's what I'm looking for.

Yeah, I don't have a total off the top of my head.

I can I can get you a total.

So that would mean they say it comes out to be two million dollars.

So the water, so we're short by two million dollars, so the water bill doesn't pay enough to cover the expenses and things like that.

Correct.

So it means which means we'd have to do a a significant rate increase to cover these costs.

Or we can cover them under MIMA and not look at such a large rate increase for our our end users.

We're going around and about it's six of one half dozen of another.

You know, it's it's there's lots of options.

Yeah, but okay.

All right, gentlemen, if there's no other questions, we'll go ahead and wrap up this workshop.

Chair will entertain a motion to adjourn.

So moved.

Second moved by Creel, seconded by Mr.

Tisdale.

All in favor.

Those opposed, motion carries.

Yeah.

Do you want to go to Henry Fur now?

Adam.

What one?

Mark.

I'll have a whole bunch around the other.

You said it.

I don't know if it runs or not.

I've seen a video of it running.

You gotta wind that big thing on top.

Serious.

Let me let me tell you what I'm I was talking with Wayne because he built a load of rock and not yarn about 15 million dollars.