I think we've got to get what Peter is.

This is

gotta be there.

Okay,

no.

All right.

At this time, I'll entertain a motion to accept the agenda for this workshop.

So move.

Move by Mr.

Creel.

Is there a second?

Second by Mr.

Gray.

Reminder, uh all in favor of the agenda.

Approved on a 7-0 vote.

Just a reminder, this is a workshop.

We won't be voting on anything today.

We have two topics.

We'll begin with water and sewer rates, and following that, we'll move on to projects uh to be funded by the general obligation bond.

We'll continue our discussion on that topic.

That being the case, Mr.

Mayor, I know you've been working on some things.

Um looking at some things.

So it's all yours.

Thank you, Mr.

President.

Let me re kind of recap what we had a little decision.

I think uh Councilman Creel, you and and uh Kenny, uh we had a little pow out together, looking at uh a way to kind of verify if we did this, we did that, what it would generate bottom line wise to our revenue situation.

I think uh the goal was with this the rates tables that we've been proposed was to generate an additional few million, maybe three million dollars of additional revenue, which put a hopefully for 25, maybe uh somewhere around there.

Uh uh my exercise, and I'm ready to kind of pull actual data and run the the spreads to it to figure out what the uh not just guessing, estimating, but actually looking at the data itself, uh and uh in a workshop kind of see where we are with each one of these scenarios that were pushed out.

You know, a base of 2500, 3,000, 8,000, and somewhere in between.

Uh but I'm having to feel pretty good about matching up actual data.

The the last numbers of accounts and uh types of accounts from the last billing cycle is what we can use to project the uh a sample uh usage, you know, cycle month by month by month.

Uh I probably would ask uh uh Diane Merrill to pull me some data from July since that seems to be the heaviest usage of war, and we can play the what if games.

I mean, we'd I would uh say between now and then and the next council meeting we'll meet again and plug some numbers and see what the result is as we you know move uh multiple tiers.

Maybe we one scenario was a three thousand, eight thousand and over uh uh set of uh data to generate numbers.

Uh you know, and and some some variants as far as the base too.

Uh, you know, a minimum of three thousand, five dollars and fifty cents, five twenty-one.

We can play those scenarios, but I would have more confidence, I think they would too, and looking at this is the real number of accounts, these are real numbers or all under 3,000, over 20,000, over 25,000, and we can I'm prepared to pull that, you know, you know, gathered around the table and let's run some numbers.

Okay,

Ms.

Creel, do you have a comment or question?

Yeah, so if following up our meeting, and I'd mentioned to you uh the um you're you guys are presenting a flat rate, and and that's kind of where I'm leading as opposed to uh uh a tier system or even adding further tiers.

I had sent um uh um Christy uh I had asked them at the after the last workshop to increase that threshold back from two thousand to three thousand uh and just see what the difference would be in and just in a five-minute meeting off the cuff.

Um she had mentioned that it they would be amicable to raising it back up to the three thousand because it wouldn't make that much of a difference with the revenue based on the numbers.

Uh with that being said, I know where we are today, we didn't get here overnight, right?

So we're not gonna fix it overnight as well.

So I had sent Christy um some uh additional rates below what the proposed rates were to see what it would be if we did it in an incremental basis if we did it one year and then looked at it in subsequent year to see where we need to get and where we need to be at.

You know, you spend money today, it's visible, right?

But when you save money for future, it's not visible until you need it.

So I understand we need to get to a cushion and to more reserves so that we can have that, but we can't get there overnight.

And so Christy did send those numbers to me, and then she's working on some more additional uh revenue numbers that we haven't gotten yet.

Well, not to too, but I know this ball game.

Okay.

And we will be no guessing, you know, based on you know of some variance to what your usage is, but uh how it impacts people under 3,000 or with under 5,000, that will be available to this exercise when we when we meet again.

So my intention is to be able to you know uh play any game with any scenario to figure out this net's a million more, two million more, three million more than then and that's I think that's the intent is look at how we can step it up or do it all at one time or do it as fair as we possibly can based on you know these you know there's a number of uh it does it surprise you how many flat rates there are and how many irrigation systems there are and then you know uh again what we do with utilities you know with the sewer process here actual versus what we're charged at the meter is it is a big part of uh our commitment 12 million a year I think is what we pay utility authority and processing that wastewater is a real deal.

So you know and I'm uh anxious to meet with you know to do it in a in a mode where let's play this game you asked me try this try that and try this and we'll we'll we'll come to few good numbers that's what I'm I'm you know hoping to do and want to work with you know and do

this again.

Right absolutely I think the biggest thing is is it needs to be disciplined and needs to be explained we need to be able to be explained it to where the layperson can understand it someone such as myself you understand the numbers your numbers guy you get it but someone and and we we actually did we we used an actual bill an actual bill and ran the numbers to see where it would be with each different scenario and the 17 thousand bills no no no but but that's a we and we can't look at all 1700 of them.

However we can use them as a examples.