I can't see it's crazy.

All right, we're gonna go ahead and call our June 3rd economic vitality board meeting.

Um we're just gonna what am I trying to say?

We're gonna call we're gonna call it to order, all right.

This meeting is held in person, and you uh can also see it online through our video conferencing system.

You can also participate via phone by calling one two five three two oh five oh four six eight.

Our access code is 984-4147-6350.

Brett, do we have any disclosure?

Why do I always ask you for disclosures?

Do we have any disclosures today from the board?

All right, any changes to the agenda.

Thank you.

Uh hi, uh good evening, Chair.

No, we have no changes to the agenda.

All right, we do need to approve our minutes.

Hi.

Uh we need to approve the January 7th, 2026, February 4th, 2026, March 4th, 2026, and April 1st, 2026.

Before we move for that, didn't we do that?

Um at last month's meeting.

No, because I didn't upload the minutes as I was instructed, so we we didn't, I don't think we ever approve.

I'm certain we didn't approve them.

So tonight, these are all the minutes that happened when Jesse was not here.

We had a slew last month too.

That's why I was asking, but it could have been previously.

All right.

So we do need a motion to approve uh those minutes.

Do we have a motion on the floor?

Motion.

Do we have a second?

I'll second.

Any on readiness or discretion?

Okay, we'll go ahead and call for the vote, please.

Um, I don't usually call the vote from here, so I'm a little out of sorts here.

So who made the motion?

Daisy, did you okay?

So uh Daisy?

Yes.

Kelsey.

Yes.

Danielle?

Yes.

Yes.

And Andrew.

Yes.

Thank you.

All right, thank you.

Motion carries.

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There'll also be time in conjunction with each agenda item for public comment relating to that item, but you may only speak once per topic.

Please note the board cannot take action on any item that does not appear on the agenda.

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And please limit your comments to three minutes.

Do we have any public comments?

No, any public comments online.

I see no public comments online, Chair.

All right, thank you so much.

We're gonna move on to our FYI discussion, and I'm gonna have Brett introduce our special guest today.

So I'll just do it from here then.

So I'd like to thank you everyone for coming tonight.

I pardon me.

You know, I I realize this uh tonight's agenda item is not really associated with our housing or economic development directly, but pardon me, but you know, it's it's as important because making sure that our board members feel safe in our in our room and our chambers uh as you conduct your business is is really important to us as the city.

And so, you know, your safety really is our highest priority.

And so tonight we have Officer Brie Sanders here, Brian Sanders from the Bozeman Police Department that's gonna just run us through some safety training that will hopefully allow all of us to feel more comfortable and safer as we as we have our can conduct our meetings over the course of the year.

So I really appreciate Officer Sanders being here.

Thank you very much, and the floor is yours.

Thank you guys.

Um let me know if you cannot hear me as I'm really loud enough?

I can be real loud.

So I'm trying to like, I'm not trying to yell at you guys for no reason today.

Um, so I am the community resource officer with Bozeman PT.

Um what I do is I will do public trainings, I do internal trainings.

You might see me at a whole bunch of events, like literally every single event that we have.

I do a whole bunch of different stuff.

I'm part of our support services division within the Bozeman police department.

There's a walking three of us in the entire department.

It is a very, very small group, and we do so much stuff.

If it doesn't fall into control and it's not detectives, then it is ours to handle.

And one of those things that we handle and I handle specifically is our safety training.

So like avoid deny the fend.

You might have heard it as run height fight previously, very similar to that.

And so that's what we're going to be talking about today.

It's the avoid denying effect.

If you need a break from it, please let me know.

Because it's not always a super lighthearted training, and I don't want you to feel obligated to sit through it if it's going to be affecting you mentally.

So we're gonna start off.

This is gonna be a basic overview.

If you have done this with me before, um actually last time I was extremely pregnant and lugging around a whole bunch of fire extinguishers, um, that is because we normally do a segment where you will shoot off a fire extinguisher, and it plays into what's going on.

I will tell you we had a whole stash of them and they're all expired, and I think somebody was doing the right thing and disposed of all of them, not knowing that they were in fact my training materials.

So if you are adamant about wanting to do a fire extinguisher training, I will find you one.

Um it might just be at a later date.

You gotta have one of my garage.

Is it expired?

It probably is okay.

You bring that on.

You let me know when the next meeting is.

We just have to make sure it falls within that little, like the little green area, yes.

Expired but still potent.

Yeah, charged, that's what it is.

I am not a firefighter.

Uh, we're gonna just throw that out there.

Um, so this training is not necessarily uh it can be viewed as like an active shooter and active intruder training.

What your forum is and what your area is, is probably going to be more of like somebody who's very heated and upset emotionally charged.

Um, so it might not necessarily be like an active shooter training for this.

It could just be somebody that's part of the public that's having a really bad time and is upset with you for whatever reason, right?

So I might use intruder, I might use shooter, I might use those words interchangeably, but that is not just soul report.

It is intended to really fit what you guys have going on, and you're the experts in this, right?

I know the material, but you are the experts in your space in your area of what we've seen.

Um, so we're gonna start with our run.

So this is gonna be our avoid or run.

Um avoiding is simply removing yourself as fast and as far as possible from whatever that threat is.

Um this is like a matter of seconds.

So this means you don't grab your phone, you don't grab your purse, you don't.

I don't know why I live to you, but I said first, we might have one, I don't know.

Water bottles, whatever it is.

Um, we're leaving, right?

We're just ditching everything, we're getting out as fast as we possibly can to remove ourselves from that threat.

I will tell you part of the reason why we talk about this training is because there's this great saying that the body doesn't go where the mind hasn't been before, right?

And from officers, we think about this stuff all the time.

You put officers into a restaurant and you ask them to sit at a table, they are pretty much all gonna fight for the same side of the table every single time.

And that is because we're always thinking about what our exits are, where do we get out?

It is really horrible and fun at the same time.

Um, we don't expect everybody else to think like that, and I don't want you to be like hyper vigilant.

It's just more of this, hey, if I'm here, where are my exits?

Right?

So we're gonna first start off with the exits that you guys have, you have two of them.

Um, unfortunately, it's if something were to happen, you're kind of right in the middle.

You know it, you helped it.

So, uh your exit might be the same way that the intruder came in, right?

So if the intruder's coming in this way and you're trying to exit out that way, that's totally fine.

It might be this one, and sometimes that might not be the option at all.

Um, when I talk about seconds matter and dropping your stuff, and how the body and the brain all play together.

I like to give this example.

I was in California for a cheerleading thing.

I used to be a cheerleader a billion years ago.

And I grew up in Idaho, we've never had earthquakes in item up.

We did, they were like very small, you couldn't actually feel anything.

And so when I was in Anaheim, um, there was an earthquake, and I had just finished, I sat down, and I see the concrete floor roll up to me, and I have no idea what's going on.

Absolutely no idea.

I can't hear people screaming, I don't see anybody running around.

I literally just sat on this floor wondering what just happened to this.

What happened, right?

And one of the people on my team, he had grew up in California, he knew exactly what was going on.

He grabs me and is like, we have to go.

So my brain catches up, and I grab the very first thing I can think of, which was sweatpants in the middle of summer in California.

Not my phone, not anything actually of importance.

I just grabbed my sweatpants and ran followed it.

Still had really no idea what was going on until about a minute later.

When I was outside, and it was like, oh, okay, and my brain and body kind of caught up to each other.

Um so that's why we talk about getting your brain to think about some of these things so that your body is more prepared for it, right?

Um, we have talked about exits, right?

So we've got those two right there.

Those are not your only exits, and that is so difficult for people to think about sometimes because sometimes those windows can be an exit, right?

You can break property if it means saving your life.

Your life is more important, and the people around you, the life is more important than any sort of property.

Property can be replaced, people cannot be replaced.

So that's also good to think about because if we're in a grocery store, most people think, well, I can only run out front door if something happens because that's the way that I came in, that's the public access.

You don't necessarily think about, hey, I need to go to the back of the store where the employees are, maybe the freighter, or maybe I'm breaking down a window, whatever it is, or if you can climb the shelves and scuttle up into like the rafters or whatever, that'd be really cool too.

If you're at Costco, you can make it up pretty far, probably.

Follow if you get to, so once you get out, the biggest thing is to go as far away as you possibly can until you feel comfortable, okay?

And that can be a very, very long distance for some people, that can be a short distance for some people.

If you run into law enforcement during that, please follow instructions.

It may not make sense to you why we are sending you over to a certain place, but it can make complete sense to us as why we're doing that.

And that can be because maybe we're entering from a certain place, or we don't want people to um view anything that's happening inside because you shouldn't have to, right?

That's not your job, that's not your responsibility.

Once you feel like you've reached a safe location, then that is the time.

Whatever it is, whether you call 901, you find somebody else to call 911.

It is okay to make sure that you are safe first before trying to reach out to law enforcement.

Um, and that may feel a little counterintuitive, like it's happening right now, I need to call right now, but there's a good likelihood that other people are calling as well, right?

If I see a bunch of people run screaming out of a building, I'm probably gonna call them and be like, what's going on, right?

Um, and then if cops get a bunch of phone calls from the same area, what happens on our screen is we just get a bunch of lines with a location, and I can tell you everybody is gonna be flying to wherever that location is.

We don't even have to know what's going on, but we will be showing for it.

So that's gonna be our avoid.

So avoid slash run.

When you cannot, you guys have questions about that one.

Yeah, we I just I was wondering if you could why you're talking about a void, we can just like something like don't keep going.

Such a good question.

We have some there's some materials that we have installed around.

Yeah, probably you can just talk a little bit about that.

Thank you for the segue.

We're going to go into deny, which is exactly what that is, right?

So this is why the run hide fight, avoid denying events sometimes gets a little confusing because avoid in my mind is like I'm just avoiding it altogether.

That could be running, that could be hiding, that could be fighting, that could be all of it.

So our deny is technically our high.

So that might be your next best option, right?

So if you can't run, you are going to go to hide.

Um there are ballistic panels from best in around this entire.

We decided that was right here too.

Okay.

Yep.

So from here all the way around.

So what those are, those are the exact same vests that officers wear.

Um, that is a great option, right?

There's a couple things that go with our demand or with our height.

One, you may just visibly kind of disappear, right?

So you might not actually, if somebody walks around, you can see you.

Um, the other option is physically locking yourself or removing access to yourself, whether that is in a separate room, a closet, anything like that.

Um, so those are kind of the two aspects of our deny.

If there is no good escape route, the best thing you can do is find a good hiding place.

Um that's remaining calm, very difficult.

Let me just tell you that.

Um, if you can silence your cell phones, because you might maybe something comes out.

Um, we've seen this in like active shooters, active shooter scenarios where people will hear something going on in that area.

So maybe a loved one hears and they're texting you, okay.

What's going on, right?

That's not the best time to have your phone actually going off at that point in time.

That being said, if you are able to call into law enforcement, you are able to call 911 to our dispatchers.

Even if you can't say anything, they are trained to listen to what is going on in the background.

So maybe you can whisper out a couple words, maybe there is yelling or screaming going on in the background, not necessarily a gun cut or anything like that.

Our dispatchers will relay anything that they hear to police officers.

There have been numerous calls that I have gone on where they say, basically, the notes are we don't know what's going on.

It's a disturbance.

There's yelling and screaming.

The end, right?

And it could be, I will tell you one of them, some dude was watching um a baseball game and they were his team was losing, and so he was yelling and screaming, and it was they had like an outdoor thing, it was wild.

Um, but that's that's how effective it is.

We don't know what's going on, but we know that there is something going on.

Um, this area is really great, especially for you.

So not great for the run, but great for the hide back there.

You guys, not so much, sorry, but um if you if that is your only option, a great way to keep yourself physically hidden as well, is to layer anything on top of you, create any sort of barricade.

So that could be your chair, that could be pulling the um the flags down and kind of over that table over the cabinets, whatever you can to kind of create a physical barricade between you and whatever that um issue is, right?

Um, yeah.

The best panels are pretty cool.

I could I could never doubt about them a whole bunch, but I'm not going to, but it is really cool.

It's very cool that you guys have this.

Um during this hide portion, I will tell you, I mentioned the staying calm.

That is not everybody's natural instinct to stay calm.

So knowing mentally that you might have to be that person that helps calm somebody else down.

Um, do not slap them, do not throw water, do not scream at them.

Like I've heard my years of training on this, the suggestions that I've heard are kind of wild.

Um, and some of them are like, Well, I saw in a movie that you did this, and it's like, please don't do that.

Um, the best thing that you can do in that is taking a huge breath, even if you have to hold your breath.

If you guys ever heard of box breathing, little four up, pause for four, exhale for four, pause for four, and that will naturally kind of slow everything down for you.

So if that's talking to somebody about, hey, we need to breathe together or whatever that looks like.

Um, but just know that you might have to be that person that is the calm during the storm, or kind of talking through, hey, this is what we are going to do, we're gonna sit down here, we're gonna be quiet, we're gonna silence our cell phone.

If you can't do that, hand your cell phone to me.

Um, and that can be really difficult, I think, sometimes for people to process is that not everybody's going to behave in the same way.

Have you ever seen the videos of the person dressed as a plant on the sidewalk that like jumps out and scares people?

Same concept, right?

Um, I've heard people who have been like, oh well I would have I'm gonna punch them, or I would have tackled them, or I would have done this, that, or the other, and like half the time they go running away.

You don't you don't know how you're going to react in those situations, and so that's why I keep kind of bringing that back to sometimes we have to think about those things, right?

So if I am sat here and I'm tucked under what am I gonna say to the person next to me to help keep them calm?

What am I gonna say to myself to help keep myself calm?

Um I really do love those videos because it's like the perfect example of you have no idea what's going to happen.

You have no idea how you're going to react to those things.

Okay.

Any questions about our deny or hide?

Okay, yeah.

I'm just thinking about it in the specific context of the space.

Yes, especially if you're someone like over along this side here or something, is like drop to the ground, and then in the case of like a shooter or something, probably coming from one of those two doors.

Yeah, uh, then kind of try to scramble around and low towards the other door than on here, but that'd be like a good kind of absolutely.

Yeah, now that is a great thought process, right?

And sometimes when I'm running through this, it doesn't have to be winter.

It's not like, okay, first I try and run and then I try and hide and then I try and fight or avoid tonight defend.

Sometimes it's like, well, shoot.

This is I've jumped in.

If I'm the bad person, you're kind of the closest one to these, right?

So you're gonna be at a different stage than maybe you are.

Because you're like, she's not looking at me, I am scared, I am skirting out of here as fast as I can.

Um, but it's okay to kind of combine those things too, where it's like, okay, maybe I'm gonna hide for a second, but now I'm going to try and get out.

Because if you hear that maybe it is an active shooter, right, and you drop down, and then all of a sudden their focus is over here and you can run out, absolutely 100%, where you now hear that I am yelling over by that doorway, and you have the opportunity to leave, you don't have to stay stuck here.

So you can kind of bounce in and out.

It is very fluid.

Um, we just teach it in a specific order because that for the brain is a little bit easier to remember.

Very good question.

We're just like everyone to know that just that happens if you were giving up the school.

So you're should you go?

Rest of city hall at the moment.

So you try.

That's gonna box you in.

Well, this is right where you have to say, well, this maybe world for one came in, or this maybe in our meetings both close your own one.

Yeah, like I just didn't want to run that down, thinking that you can go and hide somewhere that's not accessible.

Yeah, and I mean, if you're heading out, not to be like too technical in it, but I feel like talking about this because it it is it's interesting for me to be in a different building and kind of reevaluate those things.

If I'm going out this back door, that's kind of a great way to keep tuck myself behind buildings, right?

There's so many different buildings back there that maybe I'm not gonna run very far, but I can kind of hide myself behind a brick building.

Um, if I'm going out that way, I'm gonna I'm gonna find the first car that I see directly by.

I would be like, let me in right now drive me as far away as you possibly can, um, or call or whatever, right?

So just some different things to kind of think about that once you're off the building, you kind of have to think about where do we go next.

So, very good.

I like this input, it it makes me this is not a very fun topic again.

Again, I totally understand that.

Um, but I do appreciate you guys also like being engaging because it does help me teach a little bit better and maybe more um applicable to what you have and where you're working, right?

Okay, so we're gonna jump into the defect.

This is our fight.

Um I'm not gonna ask you yet.

Um, but I have this wonderful friend.

She's like the sweetest human being in the entire world.

She's very bold in our tree.

She like nothing, can't handle anything like bad news.

She's just kind of like rainbows and sunshine and amazing personified.

Um, and one time she was on vacation and somebody followed her and really freaked her out.

She came back to me and was like, what do I do if something like this happens?

And so now we can do this game called what is a weapon, or we got so I'm going to ask you guys.

That's why I'm saving you for the last, because you already know.

I don't remember.

Oh, yes, I do remember.

I was like, ah, yes, okay, yes, that.

Um go ahead and look around your space, look around your area, and feel free to point to, shout out, tell whatever you think a weapon would be.

Yep.

Yeah.

Yep.

Okay.

Oh yeah.

She saw, I know.

So hot coffee.

That quote rack.

Every time I see that coat rack, that's what I think about it in here.

Yep.

Fire extinguisher.

So that was the one.

Sorry, I didn't mean to steal your thumbnail.

I can't see it from you.

So.

Um, the fire extinguisher, that is where this comes into play.

Fire extinguishers are so good as weapons, and you would have no idea, right?

Nobody thinks about that because it's like, oh, there's no fire around.

What is inside of a fire extinguisher is sodium by carpet, which is basically the use of that.

And it sucks to get any sort of faceful or mouthful of that.

I have I've used a lot of fire extinguishers both on patrol and doing these trainings, and I can tell you I've had that stuff lightly in my eyes in my mouth, and I would never want to take a full faceful of it.

Um, so that is a great tool, right?

Not everybody is intended to like, hey, we're gonna go fistic cups.

We're fighting hands-on.

No, we are not playing nice, we are playing dirty.

This is you versus whoever is coming to Classy Mar, and you're going to win.

We are not being nice to them by any means.

So if you take that gavel and start swinging at somebody, oh my goodness.

Ouch, watch out.

But that's a great one.

Fire extinguishers.

And fire extinguishers are also extremely light after you have dumped them out.

So you can also use the can itself as a weapon.

Um, but realistically, a lot of it is just kind of thinking about your surroundings, right?

So the things that are around you, again, you don't have to do this with everything.

Most people carry water bottles with them.

A lot of now are like metal, glass, heavy, gigantic, this one.

That would hurt, right?

So, um, just kind of viewing things as like a that would suck a bit or something that doesn't.

What leads into this is when you don't have really any other options, right?

So we have exhausted the run, we've exhausted the hype, and now we're to a point where we have to actually fight.

And again, you should never be put in that position in the first place.

You have every right to do whatever you need to do to protect yourself 100%.

Um any thing available is an improvised weapon, computers, that those flag holes.

Every time somebody says a flag point, or I always makes me wonder, are you gonna like pop it off?

Or like I'm down with it.

Javelin, I don't know.

I don't want to see you guys for that.

Um, but it's kind of like it turns into home alone, right?

Like, this is one of those moments where it's like, whatever we can do, whatever we can use is you can put a pocket full of marbles or Legos.

I've got kids, like Legos are the worst thing to step on in the entire world, throw that out.

Use whatever you can to be able to keep yourself safe.

If you are with a group of people, you might have to have that conversation of hey, we hear this person coming, we know they're coming into our area, we are going to fight.

This is kind of the emotional aspect of it too, because it can be very difficult to mentally prepare yourself for that.

What I what I think about when I'm ever doing these trainings, you do a lot of scenario trainings as officers, right?

So you have to kind of have something to kind of separate yourself.

I'm still gonna go in no matter what, but in my mind, it's I'm going home to my family, I've got kids to take care of, this is not okay, right?

And so whatever you have to do, however that conversation may look amongst yourselves, is really important, and that's something that it can completely change how the outcome of an event happens.

Um, we see a lot of statistics on active shooters where if they are confronted at all, they will give up in some terms of either give up to law enforcement or they will uh terminate their lives right then and there, and that is the first sign of resistance, and that first sign can be law enforcement, that first sign could be a principal.

I just saw a video the other day of a principal who walked in um with a firearm to a school, and the principal tackled him and you gave up right away, completely stopped.

Um, so just knowing that that first sign of resistance might be enough to completely end everything as well.

If you do see somebody or somebody saying, Hey, this is what we have to do, do not leave your partner or your friend hanging, right?

So if you see somebody fighting, physically fighting, that might be a we need to get in there, right?

It might be a little bit of fear, but the more people that are on that dog pile, the better it's going to be in the long run.

So really taking care of the people around you and recognizing, hey, I might have to step into this, even if I don't want to, I might have to.

Um a surprise ambush can completely change an attacker.

So we have something called like the glue.

It is I have a sergeant who can tell you the full story about this.

I barely remember what the four words are because I don't like the phrase at all.

But it is observe, orient, decide, and act.

So everybody has a Google where we are coming in.

It's probably when you came in, you observed, hey, um, not some problem.

But like when you came in, right?

Things are kind of going on, you're observing, okay.

Where we are, you're a screen of person that's sitting in the chair behind me.

Um, I have to orient myself to what's going on, and then I'm deciding what to do, and then I'm actually uh acting upon that.

If you have somebody who is intending to cause you harm or an active intruder, shooter, they're not on the observed, they're not in the orient.

They have not, they have decided.

They're currently in the act.

So, in order to intervene with that, we need to break up their Uber.

And that can be a face full of water, that can be a faceful of fire extinguisher.

That can be whatever it needs to be, because then they have to stop what they're doing, observe what happened, orient themselves to the new situation, decide how they're going to behave, and then act upon that.

And that can be just enough time to get you away.

So, again, to kind of lean into that, you don't have to necessarily maybe you start fighting, and a fire stick pusher comes out, and you guys have just enough time to exit out of here, right?

And so it's not like you have to stay fighting holding down and beat them to a pole or murk or them.

I don't know, to a poll.

Um, but it might just be enough to, hey, we've we've stopped what we need to, and now we can move on.

So it's kind of reevaluating the situation.

Um that is a very heavy one to end on, but that is the entirety of it.

So that's our avoid, which is run, deny, which is I, and infect, which is our fight.

Um, do you have any questions about the defend or at all?

Anything else?

Hi, yeah, I guess I was just wondering, um, and I know you're not a lawyer, but at what point, like, if there was someone in the public who was making a comment right there and then increasingly started like using threatening language, and at what point do you spray it in with a fire extinguisher?

You know, I mean, I just, you know, because I feel that's probably the most realistic, or do you just leave, or I don't know what's happened in the past.

Maybe Commissioner Fisher, you might have seen the worst that you've seen.

Like, do you call in law enforcement to a meeting and kind of take it from there when we just wait for law enforcement until here's an escalation or kind of a how would that unfold?

Yeah, that's a really good question.

Um, don't start with fire extinguisher.

Just say that.

If somebody is escalating to a point where you feel threatened, um, if you ask her dispatchers, they'll say if property or like is threatened, then you need to call into 911.

You ask any police officer, it's that little feeling in the back of your brain that's like, something's not right maybe in somebody here.

Oftentimes when somebody is making threats like that, if you say, I'm calling 911 or I'm calling police, um, they will have two avenues.

Majority of the time, they will de-escalate and excuse themselves.

Um the presence of law enforcement or even the threat of presence of law enforcement is a natural de-escalation because we're kind of a consequence for your choices.

The other smaller sliver, and I mean very small sliver, is that they do escalate.

And then if that is the point where, hey, somebody's coming up here, you can defend yourself.

Did that answer your question?

Yeah.

Okay.

Observations that I've made over the few years, and I'd love to hear what Deputy Mayor Fisher has to say.

So my experience, and that's a great question.

I'm so glad you brought that up, is that the chair in the moment has has the opportunity to try and encourage the speaker to settle down, perhaps even sit down, um, you know, call them out of order, you know, whatever the procedural um appropriate procedures are from the chair perspective.

Um, and I wanted to ask before I continue, because they did some remodeling here and they moved some of the panic buttons.

Do they do they still have the panic buttons in here?

Do you know?

Um, so we actually have to go through again.

Um, they should still have I think one or two up here.

We just want to make sure we just want to look for them.

You're always missing.

Um, I don't hear one over there.

Is there just one on this side?

I think I've just one over there, but then um, so along with that, if you do press a panic button, what happens?

It doesn't go directly to law enforcement or dispatch, it actually goes to an outside provider who then calls our dispatch and says, Hey, there's no alarm that happened.

Um so we don't know any details of it because it could be a fire, it could be anything, right?

Um and so we will come here, but we've had some people who've believed that hitting that immediately goes into law enforcement and we know what's going on.

So um if you like if that's all you got, absolutely use that 100% phones.

Yep, oh you mean like hard line uh wire, which is cell phones?

The hard one.

Land lines, okay.

Um if for some reason you get into a place in your email, it's locked that has a landline.

Um I will tell you this because I did it.

Call 911, you don't have to press eight to get out, it just automatically calls 911, and everybody gets emails about it.

I only know this because I call their dispatch to say, hey, um, I'm gonna call 911 from this just so I can see and I can tell everybody in city hall what it does, and then everybody in city call came running down because they was a 911 that happened in accounting, and that's how I learned that City Hall has all of this additional stuff.

I'm really big on trial in here.

We're all like the big on it.

Uh but I will add that to my list of things to verify to make sure that that uh works.

Thank you.

And then um, so Andrew, just to wrap up my my comment on, and you know, I I'm also looking out for that kind of stuff as a liaison, right?

I'm keeping my eyes open.

And if if something's going on, what I've learned from working here for almost 20 years or 20 plus years, is that if you're if you're if it's even a thought, call 911.

Right.

No one, and this is something that I've been told by for many chiefs throughout the years.

Like you you don't, there's no penalty for calling 911.

Nobody gets in trouble, nobody, you know, nobody thinks less of you.

If you're if you're feeling in your gut something's wrong, we're calling 911.

And the cops are coming, and and then we'll sort it out after that.

Um, and so that's just something that I've that's been instilled in me as a staff member.

And so if something's going down over here and I it's catching my eye, I'm calling 911.

And so you know that that's that's part of my protocol that I, you know, as your staff leads on, that's what I'm thinking about.

Um it's something that I take very seriously, and it's one of the reasons why I recommended that we get this training.

And I have talked to Brett um about getting additional de-escalation training and also things to address what you're talking about.

I have seen that happen at a city commission meeting where someone has become um more um not physically threatening, but definitely coming up to the dais, uh which is why we have that thing there now.

Um, and approaching uh a city commissioner, and I I think the best thing that happened at that meeting was the chair definitely tried to de-escalate and um actually called a brief pause so people could leave.

Uh we did have police there, security there at the time that could talk to that individual.

We don't have anything like that for our meetings, but what we do have is uh we have wonderful staff.

If there is a meeting that I think has the potential to have um some more colorful discussions, uh Brett and I definitely talk about it beforehand, and uh I definitely give all of you a heads up just so you can be prepared uh because that is something that um that does happen from time to time, and I want to make sure all of you are aware of how to respond.

It's not all the time, but there definitely have been situations where uh I felt that we needed to have that information.

The chair can always adjourn the meeting as you just described.

So during the meeting, shuts it all down.

That can also have a de-escalating effect to the situation.

Yeah, absolutely.

And it sounds like you I mean, I know you've probably done this before, right?

You're like on top of all of this.

It's it is um, it sounds like you guys are like have this thought process and kind of are already thinking it, which is phenomenal.

Um again, I hope we don't go kind of hyper vigilant with it because that's not fun.

Um I don't want you to like be missing out on life and all of this stuff, which you're like, oh my gosh, where are my exes?

What do I do if this happens?

Um, but also I do appreciate that maybe every once in a while if it's something like, okay, I don't care where where are my exes.

What is a weapon?

It's a real fun game, I promise.

Trying to the grocery store.

I always think cereal boxes might like that would be like so light, it'd be very difficult to get something right on the corner of somebody's face.

So on that note, yeah, I'm sorry.

Uh just another question.

Uh what are the rules around kind of carrying weapons in city hall or in the buildings?

Um I would actually have to ask one of our SSOs who are the ones who do the commissioners' meetings.

Um I believe City Hall itself has a no weapons policy.

Um, I don't know how that works kind of outside of the actual city hall employees that I deal with like day to day.

Um, but that is their standard is that it's no weapon.

I believe it even says all the bills because no weapons are on the day.

Except for law enforcement, there are no weapons in the city hall.

Yeah.

And if you guys ever have a concern of somebody too, that like maybe they do come in and they're not abiding by that and they refuse to abide, or um, even if it's like a kind of an uncomfortable situation to even say something, you can always call it and have somebody come over here and talk to them.

We are we can always trespass people, and then we can always remove trespasses.

That just is asking somebody to leave and telling them they can't come back for whatever time frame or period and tell you always feel comfortable, and then we can always allow it back in and decide that later.

Anything else?

Very heavy topic, sorry.

But I appreciate it, I really do.

I appreciate you guys being so impatient.

I appreciate you allowing me to come talk to you about this because it is a very important topic.

Thank you for coming.

So we'll see you over coming.

I know it's a lot.

Um I thought that was a great question that you asked, Andrew.

Uh that's something that I'm hoping, um, Commissioner Fisher, um, that the city will actually think about how do we handle online bullying?

How do we handle verbal threats?

What is the protocol there?

That is something that um that we did experience three years ago.

It was something that um that weighed heavily on my on my heart, and I'll talk to you about that, you know, not at this time, and but it did definitely make me consider if I wanted to consider serving.

And there are other people that um that are in the public that would like to serve, but we do talk about some some things that can be quite controversial and can warrant um some attention that can be very negative, which I know that you understand.

Um, but what advice can you give us if if we do receive or see or see something online that can be construed as a threat, what should we do?

What are our first steps?

Yeah, I I think there is a zero tolerance um, you know, for um any sort of belligerent uh speech or or you know, um the online bullying is really hard to do, but I I I I will I will um talk with with the mayor, talk with the city manager, um, because I think you're right, uh it does it is something that you know you're all volunteers, you have lives, you're in the community, and to be attacked for helping this community is incredibly unfair, and I think we need to be a little stronger about that, especially given the the wild west that is often like you know next door and the other platforms out there.

Um I just think uh just looking at that kind of some of the more realistic, you know, scenarios that we that we as a board or as a commission have encountered.

Um you're you're right.

It Andrew, it it is often someone who is very belligerent who's maybe approaching the the dais.

And and it's often, you know, it's the chair that that acts or the the staff liaison or or you know, to just kind of shut the meeting down.

We do our own version of run, you know, we just shut the meeting down and we leave.

And and you know, the commissioner, we haven't had done it here, but the commission will often go, you know, behind the closed doors and just leave the public and of course we call the you know, call the police.

Um and so we get the police involved, we we um city commission does have a uh a safety officer, and I think what that's one of the things is if we end up with something really contentious in here, we may want to make sure that there is a safety officer here.

I believe that's part of our policy.

It's and it's at the you know, Danielle and Britt, it's at your discretion, really.

Um, I know for some of the more contentious UDC hearings in front of the the community development board, we did have safety officers there in part to just make sure that we're we're we have the safety marshal there as well, right?

Or the fire marshal here, right?

For but um, but the the bullying the online bullying is just a little harder to um to deal with it, but I will I will move, you know, um I will I will ask and and get an answer for the for the next meeting.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you so much for that.

And what I would recommend is to always feel free to talk to Brett and let him know what's going on.

If you have screenshots, um to get screenshots of that, send that to them, um, send that to the city, uh, and then just um go from there.

They have really good recommendations.

If you feel like you need to um call in and create uh a police report, do that as well.

Um but I I would just recommend that you document it and then send it to Brett, and he's always been really great about um addressing any needs that I have in regards to safety.

Yeah, I sorry, I should have mentioned that that that's key, right just let let your chair know let know let me know is communication is important do you do not have to sit there with us and and think about it right it's it's really important to it's it's kind of like calling 911 let us know as soon as possible and it's and if you're and there's no shame in saying well okay this is you know I shouldn't be ashamed of this or something like you know that is that is that has no room here.

I mean it's just um let us know.

No one should feel no one should feel uncomfortable providing a service to to the community period so we want to make sure that you and that you don't feel uncomfortable so um I really appreciate your attention tonight.

And just that is the standard right if you feel uncomfortable that is that is valid right so just that um again it's not something to overthink or or but we we just want to know and and we will we will take action.

Great thank you.

Do we have any FYI our announcements next month we will not be meeting that's just a reminder for that for July.

But do we have anything else you want to discuss about what's coming up um after that sure thank you um Danielle for mentioning that we have no meeting next month um after that we have I believe Courtney Smith will be coming back to this board to talk about some of the belonging and Bozeman work that she's been doing uh and to cut that she and Takami have been working on so um I believe that's that will be I don't I don't have a title for you tonight but um I'm almost certain that's what commie told me that was coming up for all um for August yeah for August can I also let this board know that um also in August on August the fourth uh in this room on that's a Tuesday night we're gonna be having a housing work session housing program work session um it's a it's a really important meeting to be for lots of reasons but not the least of which is to inform the community about all of the work that's going on in the housing in our housing program at the city but also through our partners work and the regional housing coalition um and what some of the other partner organizations like um HRDC Family Promise and Haven are doing in that space for emergency and transitional housing and so we're trying to create a holistic um you know and we'd love to see our Lantrest partners there too to to engage in the conversation because we want to have a holistic conversation about what we're doing and what and then what we should be doing in the program coming up and so that's on August the fourth and um we love we'd love for everyone here to to attend and participate if if you if you can so with any meeting forward date it uh starts at 6 p.m although I did see something today about a potentially an early start for that meeting but I will let everyone know.

And for my end um when we next meet the city will have approved its next biennium budget for the for fiscal years 27 and 28 um which starts July 1st this year this year.

So um we we had a we're gonna spend the month of June uh the city commission kind of going through this we had our first meeting yesterday looking at at uh all the uh special assessments in the enterprise funds you know that's things like uh tree the and parks and street maintenance and whatnot um I won't go into details but uh it's uh it's kind of how you know it's it's how we how we we fund the city right literally and and those are our values um we're holding property taxes flat for 2027 but with the various other but we do have to increase other assessments and fees and whatnot just to make just to be able to to you know make the parks work and so forth.

So your average taxpayer will see about a 4.7% um tax increase to their to the what they pay um for s for city services in 2027 and then it jumps up to I think six points yeah six point seven percent in fiscal year twenty eight so we're in in some ways the city worked really uh held a lot of um fee increases and and um and taxes flat during COVID at the same time the costs spiked and so we are in this still catching up to that and that's part of the reason why it's it's growing and we're uh you know we're a growing city.

I mean um uh our cost, the operational cost of the city are growing at seven percent a year in part because we're having we have more roads, more you know, police, we have, you know, we're a growing city, and so trying to try and keep the everything reasonable for taxpayers is is one of the things that the city staff is doing uh I would say a pretty good job at so general fund presentation is this coming Tuesday night.

Um so if anyone's interested in just free information, you know, the work that we do, um, is funded out of the general fund.

Uh so if you're interested in that discussion next to this coming Tuesday night, 6 p.m.

in this room.

Any other FYI from anyone on the board for the good of the order?

You want to share anything that we should know about?

Or no?

All right, we're gonna go ahead and call this meeting to a journal.

All right, we'll see you all in August.

Thank you, everyone.

I like your haircut by the way.

Is this undergo a little shorter than the summer?

Yeah.

Are you plans for the summer?

Do you want to have any right?

Okay, turn it off.

Hi, girl.

I'll see you.

I was 12 bucks.

Yeah, I'll take some pictures to find me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I got whatever you can.

I think I don't have a lot.

So thank you guys.

I think there's nothing to say about top of Estonia.

Unless we say about it, C Friday.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, great.

So we can work with it.

Yeah, standard.

All right.

Uh um, all right.

By the way, um, since you're just standing here, uh, working on the new one.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So um, working on a performance.

Um we really were kind of performing by someone, we're going to be so.

That's just one commissioner called by so long, you can see how much before we're session years, and uh, and then it's not not the instruction, which is the last uh we would be exercising.

Um, is this any number?

Let's do it.

We're not there, uh, just I feel like it we should ask the direction from Georgia and you know where you guys start with.

Um, okay.

Okay.

I will not.

I'm directing that.

Okay.

All right, I have a good evening.

Thanks again.

Thank you.

Oh, my pleasure.

Um