Ready.

All right, so at 5 30, go ahead and get started.

I have a roll call.

Mindy Payne, here.

Jonathan Townsend.

Here.

Jalee Klempa.

Here.

Jason Cohen.

Here.

Robert Gordon.

Here.

Item number three, old business.

We have an item four, items on the consent agenda.

Do we have any items to be pool?

I don't.

If not, we're ready for a motion.

I'll move to approve.

A second.

I have a motion second roll call vote.

Mindy Payne.

Yes.

Jonathan Townsend.

Yes.

Jaley Klempa.

Yes.

Jason Cohen.

Yes.

Robert Gorenson.

Yes.

Item 4C will go to the city council on March 3rd, right here at 6 30.

Item number 5, items not removed from the consent agenda.

We have done item six, public hearings.

6A 26-183.

Staff want to cover that.

Yes.

This is public hearing consideration and possible action regarding PUD 002592 2025.

Planned unit development for JCP expansion, 0.64 acres.

Uh commercial general located approximately just south of Washington Street and just west of Aspen Place.

And this is a major amendment of PUDE 50.

PUD 002592 2025 is a major amendment to PUD 50 on 0.64 acres, which is currently platted as lot 7 block 1 of the Brent Woods Center edition.

This property is located just south of Washington Street and just west of Aspen.

Excuse me.

This amendment is intent is intended to facilitate site plan approval of an expansion to an existing building already on site.

During the site plan review process, a parking re a parking requirement of one parking space per 200 square feet of building space was identified.

Parking requirements under current code require office business or professional uses to have one parking space per 350 square feet, which would require the existing building and proposed expansion to have 17 spaces.

The applicant is requesting to change this parking ratio from one parking space per 200 square feet of of building floor area to one parking space per 525 square feet of building floor area.

The applicant is also requesting to remove the fire lane standards within PUD 50 in favor of modern and current fire lane regulations.

Any fire lane or other fire safety aspect of the side plan site plan will be reviewed and approved by the broken air fire marshal.

There were no objections from the fire marshal to this change.

The applicant is also requesting to remove the requirement of Bradford Pear Trees along the rear of the property in favor of current landscaping buffer standards.

Bradford Pear Trees are no longer on the list of accepted trees in the current broken air landscaping regulations.

The surrounding land uses are to the north.

The zoning is residential single family, and the land use is single family residential.

According to FEMA, no portion of the property is located within a hundred year floodplain.

Water and sanitary sewer available from the city of Brokenaro.

Um also included a um an email for um from Indy as well, and I can read it out as well.

Um it is from the um it's from the fire marshal, um, and it's just detailing a bit more information.

Um how we had no um objections um to this change or this request.

Um I have that available as well.

Um and we do have um one letter from um a neighbor resident that I can read out as well.

Um but I sorry, I lost my train of that.

Do I read out the letter first or do I read out the recommendation?

Go ahead and take since you're you're on a roll there, Jose.

Go ahead and give us the letter that's talking.

Okay, thank you.

This is the one in opposition.

I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's necessarily an opposition.

Okay.

Um they're just wanting to um bring up some concerns that they have.

All right.

Um, and so it's a it's kind of a multi-part letter, so I'll read the first one.

I mean, this one is jaded dated January 14th.

Um closes a letter I sent to your office, and this is for the planning um planning department to your office January 6th that listed nine concerns that I had regarding the property located at 2208 and 2210 South Aspen Place.

I understand that this letter was not presented last January as it was as it was a meeting for rezoning.

I am enclosing a copy of the same letter for the January 22nd, 2026 public hearing as it expresses potential problems regarding the development of the property.

The photograph I have enclosed shows the dirt that was placed around the power pole that is in the 15 foot utility easement.

The dirt is causing a dam effect all the way to the left of the black parked car that causes water to back up the hill.

This really should be part of the public hearing portion, not really as part of the application.

I was wondering about that, but I didn't okay.

I hadn't seen this email or letter, so I haven't seen it here.

I didn't read it.

Okay.

So I'm gonna have you go ahead and continue, but it if there's more of it in the future, let's do that as part of the three minute public hearing portion.

Gotcha.

Okay, my apologies.

Uh well, I'll tell you what, if you don't mind, I have some questions anyway.

We could stop right now and let the applicant after I ask staff a couple of questions.

We can actually come back and well, he's midway through it.

I just wanted to you know note that.

Are you about through the on it?

It's a um he had a few pages in his hand.

Um, let's go ahead and finish it.

Okay.

Um the water even gets higher during heavier rainstorms.

This is a major problem when the water freezes or when customers get out of their automobile.

I will be unable to attend the meeting as I live in Rogers, Arkansas.

I understand that Mr.

Jeff Ward may call me to explain what is in the building plans, but I need you to read my letter to the planning commission to voice my concerns.

Sorry.

Um, and this this is the original letter.

Dear sir, I own the property located at 2231, 2251 West Washington Street, known as the Alp 11 shopping center.

I purchased a property on 1127, 1991.

I have several concerns regarding regarding the request to reduce the building setbacks to accommodate the existing structure and expansion at 2208 and 2210 South Aspen Place.

The water from the concrete parking area and roof downspouts of the Alps 11 shopping center flows towards the subject property in the adjoining adjoining street.

Is there going to be a swale or storm drain installed along the west side of the subject property to allow natural flow of water from the Alps to the southerly properties?

When the subject property was constructed in 2014, it appears the northwest corner of the subject property was elevated so water could no longer flow to the south.

A new storm drain in the northwest corner would restore the natural flow of water from this dammed up area.

Four, will a new elevated concrete retaining wall or dirt swell be built on the north side?

Will the retaining wall allow water to drain from the Alps shopping center or will it pond up?

Five, will the new parking area that is being constructed on the west side of the new 22-foot building extension be for permanent parking of vehicles?

Will the parking area be surfaced so that automotive oil spills can be cleaned properly?

Will the new parking area to the west be used to repair vehicles outside the building, causing a noise problem for the neighboring property owners?

Seven.

The new parking area on the west side west shot, excuse me.

The new parking area on the west side should not have driveway access to the Alps shopping center property to the north.

During the construction phase, will trucks, back hose, dump trucks, and other equipment be restricted from utilizing the parking area or driving on the Alps Alps shopping center parking lot on the north side of the subject property.

Number nine, are storage containers allowed on the subject property by permit.

Sincerely, John K Sport Letter, President's Four Letter Investments.

And then he had some an image as well.

Um just kind of an image of the building.

And if you'd like, I can bring that up here for you all to look at closely.

All right, thanks, Jose.

So my first question question to you on Jose before we get the applicant up here.

Did you have a chance to meet with this individual or address any other comments with them by any chance?

I had uh spoken with him shortly on the phone.

Um I know our engineer who was uh working on so one thing as well with this project, there's a there's a site plan uh review already in process.

Um and as a part of that, you know, our engineers with the planning department will review everything to make sure that it meets our um engineering standards.

Um the far marshal and the engineer have already approved the site plan.

Um the only site plan review that is is left is is the planner one, and and the reason is is for the parking issues and also the the landscaping issue.

Um my understanding is that the engineer had spoken with that gentleman and talked with some of his concerns.

Um I'm not entirely sure exactly what the issue is.

Part of it I think is that um it's actually an issue with the that gentleman's property on on his own property and not actually one with the subject property we're discussing.

But I'm I'm since I'm not the engineer, I I wouldn't uh know too much about it.

Well, the reason why I question that is just I just want to make sure that like there was eight or ten items that I guess they they mentioned here.

I wanted to make sure any of those items, one is if the applicant's gonna address any of those, if they've had a chance to look at them beforehand.

And if anything was totally different than what they might we might be presenting tonight, if that makes sense.

That's why I was just wondering if y'all would talk to this person that sent in the email or whatever.

Yeah.

So the other thing that on this being a PUD, if it was approved, it the uses would be for this PUD.

If it changed hands, does the PUD still stay the same say the state stay the same?

Yes, yeah, the yeah, the PUD runs with with the property uh not the owner, but with the property itself, right?

Yeah, okay.

I just want to make sure that if that's gonna be asked.

Yes, that's what it is and yeah, and one thing as well with um with the letter that he had sent in that first one.

Um I think the first letter he that was the first letter he sent, and then um we have discussed with him, chatted with him a bit, and um, and he still wanted to kind of submit his concerns to you all.

Right.

Um so he still wanted that to be read out into the record, and so um that's that's one of the reasons we wanted to bring it to you all.

All right, thanks.

Any other question?

Staff.

Is the applicant present?

Yes.

You have anything you wish to add?

Are you aware of the items that were that Jose read?

How about you let her get down there first?

That's why I do that.

Could you state your name?

Jesse Stringer with 8 Point Creative 1428 South New Haven Avenue.

Thank you very much.

Um I did speak with my client who's the owner of the subject property.

He and the engineer who actually created the drawings have spoke with um this particular property owner.

Uh he let me know that he did talk to him for a while in length and concluded that a lot of the issues he was describing, he had to remind him, sir.

That's actually not my property, that's a neighbor, or that's your own property.

So I I think he maybe is confused about which is our subject property.

Um my client did just reassure him, obviously, if there are any adverse stormwater issues, we have to legally address those, which is why I hired an engineer in the first place.

I certain wouldn't certainly wouldn't be putting any stormwater runoff onto your property uh because I can't legally.

I would be in trouble if I did that.

So he did reassure him of that, and he seemed to be much more relaxed, but some of the issues like the dirt around the utility pole.

Um my client had really no idea what he was talking about.

I think he's maybe confused and thought it was a different property.

I don't know if you got any more information on that, Jose.

I think with that, um I think they look I think we had looked, and I think that utility poll was actually on that guy's not even on the bottom of the phone.

That's what we thought.

He said, sir, I think that's actually your utility poll.

So a lot of his concerns weren't uh I I don't think any of them were actually with our property.

The one that I thought was a very legitimate complaint or concern rather was adverse stormwater runoff, which is really common with any kind of building expansion.

So he did assure him that it's a very small building expansion, but even though it's small, it still warrants a PUD amendment, which is the whole reason he even got the notice in the first place and said, you know, I I do construction, this is what I do for a living.

So if there is anything, I'll get out there myself and fix it.

So I think his temperature was much cooler after our conver after his conversation.

Um but uh I I really don't have anything to add.

Everything was pretty much covered in that design statement that uh Jose read.

I am happy to answer any questions you guys have.

I will say that this building was built in 2014.

Ever since then, it's been used as a uh carpet cleaning company when my client actually purchased the building, he just kept all the same tenants.

He's just now the landlord, and the other one-third of the building is just storage for his um truck.

He has a couple of trucks that he uses for his construction company.

He can't really park them at his house because he lives in a neighborhood and parking regulations, so he just parks them there.

I believe the person who did write the letter thought he was operating an automotive business out of there, and he was like, I've had maybe two trucks at a time, and I just park them inside.

He can't even see them.

So I I think he's getting confused with a different parcel.

Um but yeah, uh happy to answer any questions.

He doesn't plan on changing the use.

One third of it's just storage for stuff, and the rest of it's carpet cleaning.

The most people who would ever be at the property at a any given time is six people, the carpet cleaning company employs five plus the owner, and they're hardly ever there all at the same time.

So the though we're adding some parking stalls, um, I know it's still not enough to meet the PUD, but even with the previous parking uh orientation and actual design, it was never even at 50% capacity ever.

So now we're adding more, and I have a feeling they will never be parked in, probably ever.

So uh it'll be good if the use ever changes in the future.

There will be an adequate amount of parking for that area for a building of that size, but um we tried to add just as many as we could without deviating too terribly far from the PUD's documents, uh actual written language in the PUD.

Can I ask you uh how is the water runoff?

Where is it currently going?

Is there a storm drain in that on that property or anything like that?

Yes, when this was built in 2014, it did have to meet all of those modern um engineering design criteria requirements.

So uh it's built to the broken arrow modern code, it still meets all of the stormwater runoff requirements.

Really, the the major thing that we did was uh create a designated fire lane there to the east side of the property, even though the PUD was written that it had to be in the side yard, which really wasn't a great space for it anyway, because it's not accessible.

So now if a fire truck would have to come in, but other than that, everything uh will remain the exact same for storm water and everything like that.

Okay.

Any other questions after I don't I don't have any questions.

You actually answered my in your presentation.

I I was going to ask about uh the possibility of like a spillover or you know, if the parking demands were were met.

You spoke to that assuring that it wouldn't be heavily populated or anything, but uh that was gonna be a question, you know how how would you handle that situation?

Right.

Um so thank you for touching on that.

And then I also was um pleased to hear what the firearm marshal has already has already you know assessed it, everything and that that provided some comfort for me too.

So and that was shared in the in the report.

So awesome.

Yeah, I um and I'm I'm a planner too, so I always think of well, what if the use changes?

So I did ask about the neighboring parking lots and what their load capacity is like, and he said they're almost always completely vacant or maybe 25% full.

So I thought if there was a use change, is there an opportunity for a shared parking situation?

And it looks like there definitely would be in this kind of quasi light industrial commercial area.

So that made me feel a lot more comfortable about us still not quite meeting the parking requirements that if it were to change, there's still a lot of vacant parking around the entire campus.

People park their vans and stuff at night in the parking lot.

Uh he said everyone's gone by six o'clock.

There shouldn't be anyone parked there unless you know he and his wife randomly stop by to pick something up or drop something off, but there should be no one in the parking lot after six.

Yep.

Awesome.

All right, thanks.

Thank you so much.

All right.

So Jose, did we have anybody else speak signed up, speak?

Nope.

Okay.

I thought you said there was another one also.

So this was the two that was from this one person was the two you were talking about.

Yes, sir, yeah.

Okay.

And he clarified that with the fire marshal.

So I'm good with the fire lane.

Okay.

This probably really you just mentioned that that mound of dirt issue by the utility pole.

Um I've run across cases where the PSO has replaced the utility pole and left a mound of dirt.

Do you think that might be the possibility that this homeowner's dealing with?

Did he indicate that it was a new utility polar or replaced one?

It could it could very well be, at least from um and I'm just working off of the my memory right now from what I remember seeing seeing the picture of it.

It looked kind of like the newer one, and and I and I know what you're kind of referring to when they'd leave that mound.

And yeah, um, and at this point I think it did have grass kind of growing, so it's probably probably been there a while.

Um but I I think it really is the I think and I'd have to look more into it again just to verify and clarify.

Um, but I think that the power line and that mound was on on the property to the north of the subject tract, so it wasn't even on the subject tract.

Um, but I think the issue was when that mound came in, then it prevented that water from flowing as freely as it was before, but it's not on their property, so it's not really something that they can fix.

I mean, he as the property owner could go in and just correct the mound, you know, if he needs to um but he's in Arkansas, so that's right.

Okay, I was just just curious.

I don't have any repairs are gone.

Yeah, I saw that and I was like, let's go ahead and fix that now.

Take care of that.

Yeah, yeah.

So there's nobody else to speak, so we'll close the public hearing.

So any discussion.

Uh I'll just say I'm familiar with this area.

Um that location, you would any business there, it's not gonna be good really advertisement, right?

So uh carpet cleaning business or or some small business would be ideal there.

So I'm just gonna tell you I I'm inclined to allow them to continue on the way it was originally established in the PUD.

Um, that's just my opinion, and I wanted to share why because I'm familiar with that area.

So if there's no other comments or questions, I'll make a motion to uh approve item six A per staff recommendations.

I'll second the motion.

Yeah, most second roll call vote.

Mindy Payne, yes, Jonathan Townsend, yes, Jaley Clempa, yes, Jason Cohen, yes, Robert Gordon.

Yes.

Now this goes before the city council on March 3rd, right here at 6:30.

Also, the only thing Jose is the one there where all these questions are.

If just in case the council asked about it, you might want to go through there and just clarify whether it's on related to this property or not, just in case.

So maybe the applicant can help out with that.

Okay, I'll give you a chance.

Thanks.

Some of those caught me off guard.

I didn't know I guess.

Yeah, and I think part of it was that we had could we had reached out and communicated with him, and he was still adamant he wanted to send you know have the letter written in and bread to the record and all that.

So we'll go ahead and do that for them.

All right, thanks.

Next time seven appeals we have an item eight, uh, general commission business A26-274.

You'll have three minutes.

Three minutes.

Be prepared to be dazzled for six hours.

Um thank you, Chair, Vice Chair, Commissioners.

My name is Kenny Schwab, assistance manager of operations.

On behalf of Mayor Deborah Wimpy, Vice Mayor, uh Johnny Parks, counselors, uh Lisa Ford, Justin Green, and David Pickle, and City Manager Michael Spurgeon.

We wanted to present our bond program to you.

I know many of you have been a part of it.

Uh you've you've had your input, you've had your voices, and we appreciate that.

But we also just wanted to go on the record that as an organization we presented to the planning commission, it is so vital to us and to the public as well as now I know people are watching this, so um obviously build our future, our BA bond, April the 7th is the vote.

You're gonna hear about that probably every day until April the 7th.

Let me first I'm sorry, already have been hearing about for about a year, huh?

Yeah, so let me go ahead and first start with when we talk about our bond, we talk about building our future.

Let's back up just a step.

It's an investment into our future, into our community.

That's what you do at Planning Commission is help us plan our land use and plan our community, and this program is an investment, and there's two components to it.

We talk about the bond, that's the largest part of it.

If you will, the geo bond or a general obligation bond, that's actually a reinvestment.

Those monies are already existing.

That is the millage rate off the property tax.

And um how that actually works, and we can talk about it a little bit more.

I think in here, but how it actually works is we actually use a broker, go out into the open market and sell municipal bonds once we have projects and once we have determined what that amount of money is that we need and how we pay it back.

That's what we do with the property tax, the geo bond.

It is not big white letters up there, no property tax rate increase.

We're not increasing property tax, we're using the existing property tax as projects roll off the debt service.

Now that creates some capacity.

We want to reinvest into our community.

So that's your geo bond, and we'll touch on that in a little bit more.

But something new, something we haven't done in quite some time, is a temporary dedicated sales tax.

Remember the words temporary and dedicated.

There is a purpose.

It is for a single purpose and it is temporary.

It's five years, and we'll touch on that, but that's a different funding mechanism, and that is an increase for that purpose.

So this reinvesting or this investing in our community has two components.

How are the projects picked?

Well, you were a part of that, I'm sure.

We did a comprehensive community survey, went out and talked about different aspects, quality of life, transportation, public safety, facilities, library, stormwater.

We we talked about even sports and a temporary tax that we just talked about.

Got public input.

Then we zeroed down on if we did transportation, what specifically on transportation?

What arterials do you have a problem with?

And we did that all the way through.

And you can see roadway improvements.

We did pedestrian connectivity, sidewalks, trails.

We did parks and recreation.

What type of parks, what type of quality of life?

Would you like another community center?

Broken Air is growing quickly.

You know that.

You you deal with it twice a month at least in your meetings here.

We're now somewhere around 122 to 123,000 people and still growing at about 1.5% a year.

What type of parks, what type of trails do we need another community center?

Also, public safety.

What sets broken air apart from so many other communities our size is our public safety.

We have the infrastructure for them to do what they need to do, but we invest in our public safety.

The training another fire station.

Right now we have seven.

We're looking at building eight.

Council just awarded an eighth one.

This one has a ninth one in there as we continue to grow.

And then last of the general obligation bond and not least is do we want to invest in a library?

We already have two, but the South Library is very well used.

I think they said the library system said it's like the fifth most used library in the entire Tulsa County City system.

Uh a lot of homeschoolers.

Do we want to enlarge it and invest?

They're going to, but do we want to participate in partnership?

So those are really a lot of the projects that we looked at.

Micro surveys, we had a lot of public meetings.

We met with our end users.

So if like the senior centers, we met with them, we met with the history museum, the military history museum, uh, Arts 302, all of the end users on our sports.

We met with them.

What are your needs?

Then we had public meetings.

You I know I saw many of you at those public meetings.

We met with our department directors.

Uh we had a steering committee.

Some of you sat on that steering committee.

And then, last but not least, we had public forums, more input.

Broken Air got more input from their citizens than any community I've ever been a part of.

And as a 20 years as a consultant before I came to the city, I've never seen how much input we sought.

This is the people's reinvestment program.

So what is a general obligation bond?

We just talked about that.

We go out in the open bond market, we sell municipal bonds, investors invest into it.

Uh broken air is a good bet to invest in.

We get our work done, we pay off, and our bond rating keeps going higher.

So people want to invest in broken arrow.

We get good rates.

But typically we have six propositions.

This one has a seventh.

I already went through those.

Streets are proposition one.

This bond is a little bit different than the others, and I I really like the way the team put this together.

Widening capacity.

When you think of an arterial street, and it's not enough lanes, we need more lanes.

That's a widening, that's capacity.

But what if we have enough lanes and we just need to mill an overlay, make some sidewalk improvements, curb improvements, resurfacing?

I don't have to widen, so we actually have some money set aside for restoration improvements, signalization, maybe.

Um, and then last and not least, we actually just went and focused on intersections too.

What if I just need to improve the intersection and get the traffic through there, and the the mile section itself isn't too bad.

So we have different pots of money, all in the same proposition, but different focuses in there.

Public safety, obviously, is your policing your fire.

Already talked about a different fire station, fire station number nine.

Uh we also have a lot at the training center.

How much does it cost to buy a fire engine?

If you're having a ladder truck on there, it's a million dollars to buy a fire engine.

Ambulances, four four hundred and fifty to five hundred thousand dollars to buy an ambulance.

Those are expensive.

We don't just can't pay for those out of our budget every time.

So we put those in the bond.

Um quality of life at your parks, at your trails, that's anything, recreation.

This quality of life, Elon Park.

Down in South Broken Era with the adaptive field that we put in there, and how many people come to Broken Arrow, not just from Broken Air, but come around to uh play on that.

The adaptive playground area, it's amazing.

We get comments from all over the state about that.

We need another community center.

This has a community center at Elon Park.

A lot of other parks, we don't just go do the one park.

We've got a lot of playground equipment that we need to uh improve as well.

Facilities at your public facilities.

Um, that's a lot of where our end users, the senior center, Arts 302, another phase.

The last, you know, we did uh Arts 302 just right here at Dallas in Maine.

It is exploding with uh participation from all different sorts of people, students, but also uh non-students wanting to participate in that.

We need more room already.

Uh so that's in there as well, as well as other public facilities just for the city government side.

Um proposition five and six are separate, but we'll talk about them together.

Prop five is stormwater, so that's really on property that the city owns, public right-of-way.

Um, if we're doing some drainage improvement, bridge improvement, that's a stormwater improvement on property that we own.

What broken air did in 2018 is unique.

Uh, I haven't seen another city in the state of Oklahoma do it, but we did a proposition six.

That's your drainage, it's in here again.

Proposition six is where can we partner with private citizens as long as two things, as long as we have a vested interest, maybe a drainage easement, uh some type of interest on behalf of the city in that property, and there's a public benefit.

If we have that, then we can go on to private property and help make an improvement that can improve more than just a single property, improves that drainage area.

That's been very successful.

We want to include that again.

Prop 7, the library.

Right now it has $4 million, and I'll touch on that a little bit more, as a partnership, and it's already paying dividends because the fact that broken air has come to the table, now you're seeing donors come to the table more.

Uh, this is new, they'll own the operate, but we're partnered in of giving some prop uh bond money.

That's your bond program.

It is no property tax increase.

We're using current millage.

Bond program right now is 415 million dollars, 91 projects.

Uh I look at that, that's just shy of half a billion, but we'll stick with the 415 million if you want.

91 projects over 10 years.

Notice the 10 years.

We can only sell a certain amount every year.

Divide that by 10, 41.5, that's not how it works.

Debt rolls off, some years will be lower, some years will be higher.

But in general, it'll be about 10 years to pay that program off of the current millage that we have.

But there's 91 projects.

Real quick, out of those prop seven that I just talked about, one through seven, two hundred and five million dollars in prop one.

One of those surveys that the city sent out was about the streets.

We got a little bit of negative feedback on the streets.

Too many people, not wide enough streets.

There's too many people in Broken Air because we're growing.

We've switched for those that have been here for many, many years and decades.

We used to be a north-south town.

We were a bedroom community, everybody left and went to work in Tulsa.

Broken Air is an economic hub of the state of Oklahoma.

We're one of the hubs now.

People come to Broken Air to work.

So daytime traffic years ago wasn't that much.

The daytime traffic is as much, if not more, than the evening traffic.

The daily traffic is constant now.

People are coming from all over the place to work in Broken Arrow.

That's awesome.

But we heard what the public said.

The public said you need to do something about your streets.

$205 million in Prop One.

The 2018 bond program was $210.5 million.

Total.

Total.

Can you repeat that?

Just repeat it one more time.

$210.5 or $210.5 million was the 2018 bond.

Total.

Total.

Not just for all six propositions.

This one almost equates within $5 million, it equates to the entire total of 2018.

We heard the public invest in our streets.

Do something with our streets.

You have, if you will, the 2018 bond program in Prop 1.

Public safety, $56 million.

Quality of life, $74 million.

I've been here 17 years.

We have never.

I think I could probably total all of our quality of life up, and it's not $74 million.

This is about $40 to $45 million.

Elon Park Community Center.

This is another community center.

If your kids, if your grandkids, if anybody in your family tries to get into the community center and play ball, it's difficult.

We've got so many end users.

We have so many people using our facilities.

We need another one.

Public facilities, $65 million.

I already touched on a lot of the end users, not sports.

This is your senior center.

These are your museums that we've talked about.

These are our own public facilities that we need throughout the street stormwater and some of the maintenance and utilities.

Stormwater and drainage total, those two is Prop 5 and Prop 6, $11 million combined, then the library's $4 million.

The total for the bond component is $415 million.

Ironically, that almost equates to the last several bonds from 1993, 94 all the way up was almost $415 million.

So we basically have totaled it.

Funded by your property taxes at your current rate.

Now let's talk about something new.

Well, there's proper system seven, real quick.

The library, their estimate right now is around $13 million.

They have raised almost six million.

Wow.

They only had about one million until Brokenair put four.

Now they've raised six.

Yeah.

That's Mr.

Spurgeon's deal.

So that's prop seven.

So let's talk about a temporary dedicated sales tax of a half penny.

Now my prop.

I drank my pop.

Half penny.

I'm sorry?

It's not they were out.

I took a free one, okay?

Don't call me out, Mandy.

Your temporary sales tax, five years, not ten, five years.

Dedicated to sports, youth sports and the adult sports, 38 projects, five years.

Let's talk about that a little bit as we move forward.

Arrowhead Softball Complex.

It's your youth just right down here at the end of Washington and Maine.

Almost $13.6 million, $29%.

Indian Springs, that's your baseball.

And I've got the soccer kind of separate, uh, but baseball and soccer are almost equal there, 8.2 and 8.3.

Uh there's baseball at the end, 10 million.

Uh so you've got a lot going on at Indian Springs on the bottom line, 1.8 for the adult softball at Indian Springs.

Most people won't really remember.

There's still one little uh softball field down there for adult among all the kids.

So uh we're we're talking a lot of these are talking turf and uh lighting improvements, um, entryway concession.

I mean, it it's the whole ball of wax here.

Um challenger is your adult softball, 1.2, 1.3 million dollars, 3%, and then Neen House Sports Complex, that's actually football and lacrosse.

So you've got all different sports, baseball, soccer, softball, uh, both adult and youth.

You've got um and football and lacrosse, all of the total package here.

Now look at the the price here.

I said $53 million.

Why is this $46.5 million?

What broken air is going to do is go get a loan for $40 million.

We're gonna get loan the whole thing, about $53 million.

We're gonna take out a loan and build this.

If this pass, if this the temporary dedicated sales tax passes, we will go get the money up front.

So think about this.

If we didn't, and we used our bond, we would be doing maybe the baseball here.

And a few years later, this a few years later than this.

So your kids that you voted on to play that, if they're eight years old, they're not gonna play on it if we don't do it this way.

They'll graduate and they'll move on.

It takes time.

Your cost will go up.

Everybody has seen that.

This can of pop in 2010 cost a dollar.

Today it cost $1.50, 50% increase in the 15 years.

So do your softball fields, your football fields, everything we do goes up on cost.

If we pass this right now as a bond at 46 million, by the time I built it in eight, 10 years, it would be almost 58 million, maybe 59 million.

If we go get a loan on it, design it and construct it and have it basically done in the first three years, it's 53 million.

So the debt service, that loan uh interest is included in that.

It's actually a business decision, and it's actually cheaper to go get the loan up front and pay it off in five years with your sales tax.

And sales tax will cover that on what we've got.

So that's the strategy on prop eight.

I'm also going back to my Coke or my Dr.

Pepper here.

Um, so 50 cents per $100.

And that's that first line up there.

50 cents per $100 is what it costs you.

If you went to the store and spent $200, it would cost you $201.

It will cost you one more dollar.

So for $300, it's a dollar fifty on my pop.

I'm still buying my pop, okay?

I'm going to spend the $30150.

It's don't get overwhelmed with the percentage.

It's it's not much.

And who else pays sales tax?

Anyone that comes in.

Everybody in the businesses, their employees who don't live here and come here and to do their shopping, their help funding your children, your grandkids, uh, youth sports as well.

So BA current sales tax rate is 3.55.

The half penny would take us up to 4.05.

Uh that compares with Kuida Sepulpa at four, Tulsa's at 3.65.

So we're still in comparison.

It may be a little bit more, but it's five years dedicated for a single purpose.

What happens if we actually pull in more sales tax than what we estimate?

It's still dedicated.

So now we still have to spend it into those youth sports and the adult sports.

We may get more.

We may even get more improvements.

Or payoff earlier.

So the day it would expire June 30th of 2031.

Projects, like I said, the goal is to fund it up front and have them done in three years.

Once you have more improvements, you can hold bigger tournaments, and it actually creates an economic driver for the community.

So where there was talk before about maybe ending it sooner now, it looks like it's gonna stay with a June 30th.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

So let me can I interrupt you?

Absolutely.

Let me ask you a question, Mr.

Swap.

The somebody asked me this about at Pickleball, and I don't know a whole lot about it, even though I was on that steering committee with so anyway.

Unnamed projects.

Can you touch on that?

Because they asked me about that, and of course, I I don't remember what y'all told me before, but how that works out.

Do you have unnamed projects in both the sales and the property tax?

Or dedicated only.

Go ahead.

So the unnamed um by law, you have to this is bond only.

So back to that reinvestment.

Yeah.

Okay.

You have to name 70% of your projects so the public knows what you're building, right?

What you what you intend to build.

Um they you have to a minimum of 70%.

So they call it unnamed, the other 30.

A lot of that covers your contingency, a lot of that covers um if something happens, let's say a street, what happens?

We're projecting out 10 years.

That's to sell the money, but it may take 12, 13 years to build everything.

What happens in year eight?

We get some big industry or whatever the case may be.

We didn't have that in the bond.

How do I handle that street?

I've got some unnamed monies that may be able to handle that street, any widening or anything of that nature.

So that's bond unnamed is bond.

Sales tax is all dedicated.

So if we gain more money, we just put more into the you know that sales tax, those projects.

So the people don't decide on the that unnamed on the bonds if you need to spend it on that road that needs upgraded.

It's the city makes that decision.

Say we need to go out there to take care of this for the business.

The staff would make a recommendation to Mr.

Spurgeon, he'd make a recommendation to back to the council and they'd make the decision.

So the council has to approve of that.

But it would stay in that prop.

So just we had 20 uh $5 million in prop one.

So 70% of that, and that's about 140 million would be named.

Some of that other isn't, it has to stay in.

I can't go take prop one and go do something else.

It has the public voted it in for prop one.

So it has to stay.

So you may not know that unnamed project for a few years down the road.

Right.

Okay.

We have identified a lot that we'd like to do, and we want to work those out, but it may switch based on you know priorities.

That's right.

Right.

So each one of you should have this card, uh, a few of these.

Staff has made this.

I think this is a probably the most handy thing we've got.

It's real small.

I think it's about what five by seven or something, uh, three by five.

Um, it shows on one side, which is your left hand side, 415 million.

That is your bond, shows 53, which is your sales tax.

The two components of us investing to in our future and building a better broken air and building our future.

You've got QR codes, and down at the bottom of both um uh sides of the card, there's a phone number.

You can call that phone number, it's an automated system.

You can ask it any question you want about the bond, and it'll answer it.

Um I don't know how that works.

AI, it's amazing.

We've tried to stump it, and so far it's come up with all the right answers.

Um there's also a website you can go to.

This is going to be an interactive map.

Uh, I saw it just last week.

It's amazing.

You can go in and you can zoom in, and there's a star, and you can hit the star and it'll pop up and tell you something about the project, and then you can go to another one.

It's a two amazing tools that we haven't had in the past a map and the call-in.

But you've got the card in front of you, you've got the QR code that you can uh ask questions and get answers as well.

But they would give you more detail on all the projects.

You flip it over on the back side, and then it breaks it down into the eight propositions seven for the bond, one for the sales tax.

And again, like I said, you can go the QR code and get the individual on those projects.

So just kind of summing it up Prop 1 through 7, 415 million 91 projects, Prop 8 is 53, 38 projects for a total uh of reinvesting or investing into our future and building a future for broken era is 468 million dollars.

I go back to the half a billion last thing here, there's gonna be some forums.

Um please make sure you note these dates.

We'd love to have you at these forums.

Uh March 2nd at Union Eighth Grade Center, March 12th at Ridge Christian Church.

Uh March 26th is Battle Creek Golf Club, and April the 2nd is Connect Church.

We did this in 2018.

We've done this in the past.

This gets a lot of people out and gets them very excited.

Matter of fact, uh Mr.

Spurgeon's so good at this by April the 2nd, most of the public's gonna say, can we just vote now?

We're tired of hearing about it.

And uh I'm predicting maybe March 26th.

That's the program.

Um I want to thank you personally for all the hours and effort you have given to uh the community and to this program.

Um it is building a better broken era, it's building our future, and we're gonna we're gonna invest in this community.

Um I'd be happy to answer any questions.

I heard Mr.

Spurgeon on the radio talking about this AI phone in, right?

I was just like, okay, what is the name of that?

That is that is fantastic that people can call in, and then they were saying that it's amazing.

Uh if there's a question it doesn't know the answer to, you guys can look up the answer, add it to it, so then in the future when somebody calls it can answer that question.

And great, yeah, and great point to what you just said.

We get uh uh a summary of all the questions so we can track and say, okay, this one's having a problem, we can go correct it.

But yeah, I just saw it this morning.

It's pretty interesting.

And I also just want to thank the city staff and everybody that's been involved with this because uh I know that there was talk about the Indian Springs stalker complex having worked on years ago, and my kids were so excited, and now just like you said, it's been so many years, they're all in their 20s and whatnot.

But uh the amount of revenue and the amount of people that come in for these soccer and softball competitions is phenomenal.

So for us to have that opportunity to really shine the light on that is gonna be fantastic for our community.

I agree.

So uh just thank you very much for all of that.

And the street will get widened out there.

Some of it's under construction now.

Oh, it'll be so nice.

Yeah, we're doing uh Jasper South, uh the intersection uh uh Aspen and Jasper South, and we're actually getting ready to start the Tucson, the piece in between because of all of the construction and the commercial business.

We we're kind of coordinating with them.

We don't want to be out there in construction when they're trying to open on opening day, which will be this year.

So Mrs.

Swab I had it there in my neighborhood.

I had a couple of questions, yes, sir.

And you can just briefly touch on them.

I'll just ask one at one at a time.

Um it's not like that.

It's not like that.

It's a couple of couple to be maybe maybe two and a half, but the first one was in regards to the was it one fire station that is to be added, right?

Um number nine.

Fire station nine is in the bond.

We just awarded fire station eight and the the construction of it, yes.

Okay.

Where it will increase efficiency, expand services, just the fire station piece first.

Okay.

Well, let me back up.

I also uh great question.

Fire station one, which is across from Rib Crib on Kenosha and Maine.

That's a fire station one.

Listen, we're really creative.

It was the first fire station.

So it's way under size, and it's neat it's in the bond to be moved.

So we're actually going to build two fire stations, but still a total of nine.

So the whole point about fire stations is fire, but it's also medical, right?

They come out of the same place.

It's response time, response time, response time.

So to your point, as our citizenry and our city limits and our density as it spreads out a little bit, we need to be able to get there quicker.

So we're having to spread out our stations.

For those that have been forever, we were just really compact.

So we're we're looking uh in different locations so we can have better response time.

That's why one is looking to move up to the north a little bit.

Uh we don't have the property yet, but probably looking somewhere around maybe the Battle Creek area, just to uh bigger and uh response time.

So the answer to your question is response time.

We want to make sure that that's as quick as possible, shortest amount of time.

And we have studies on that.

May I interrupt for just a second?

Um something I do also want to share that some people may not be aware of is by increasing your number of fire stations and reducing the response time, you get a better fire rating in insurance companies than give you a lower rate.

Correct because of your your rating of your fire stations or your your fire response time.

So I think that's something important for the community to know as well.

Hey, you could save a couple bucks as well.

Pay for that penny, half penny.

You can buy mine.

Well, another question uh for my education at least was you talked a little bit about the private partnerships regarding the drainage.

Yes, sir.

How does that typically work?

That does the city seek out those opportunities, or does the citizens holler at you all?

How does that how does that work out?

Yes, and yes.

Okay, so um I 2018 was unique in that sense because we went on proposition six.

That falls under a different statute uh different section in the statute.

And the way we do that is if staff knows of a drainage area where we have a problem, but it's on private property, and you can fix it and it helps a lot of people, we'll seek that out.

And we've done some of that.

Others will come to us, and you know, we didn't know about this, they'll bring us some stuff, problem areas.

A lot of it's erosion, but it's more than erosion.

If you're having erosion, what's causing it?

Let's go one more step.

What's causing it?

Can we solve the problem that way?

Uh so citizens can come to us, there's an application.

In 2019, we passed it in August 28 of 2018.

Took us about a year to figure out this process that you're talking about.

How do we create where citizens can come and present their case, present an application?

Staff can look at it and make a recommendation.

Um, under this administration, they created something called the drainage advisory committee.

Kind of similar to you, they make a recommendation to the governing body on how to spend those prop six funds.

There's an application they fill out, staff will evaluate that application, and then uh once a uh I think it's once a quarter now.

Uh it started out once a month, but once a quarter last Monday of you know, four times a year, they'll come to this room and present to the drainage advisory committee.

Two members of council sit on that, the rest of it makes up of citizens, it's a seven-member committee, and it's been very successful.

So that's how it's done.

We want to make sure that the public has their input because we're spending public dollars.

We need your input.

So that's the process.

Thank you.

Um another question that I had, and I wanted to also just express my appreciation to you for uh explaining the strategy.

That's the word that you used about proposition eight and the sales tax funds.

Uh, my question was I know you've we've done surveys and have been creative in finding ways to generate feedback.

But I did have a question just because uh we're going hard with the sports on this one, yes.

Which you've uh elaborated on some of the economic benefits and why that is wise to do.

But I'm just wondering like what type of feedback are we getting uh from community members and citizens uh knowing that the sales tax um, you know, just being a kind of a special way of doing it, and something we don't always do, is being dedicated to the sports or the sports industry here in Broken Arrow.

Like, are you having a lot of uh welcoming feedback about it?

Or is it like, well, I'm never gonna play softball, I'm never gonna play.

I wish my my sales tax could be going somewhere else.

Just what type of candid feedback are we getting at this point?

Jonathan, I I think that's an incredible question, honestly.

Um right now the feedback's really starting to begin.

Um I see more positive than negative.

There's always some negative, and I I certainly understand that, but most of the positive is coming back on, it's not just about sports.

Okay, it's about kids having an opportunity to participate uh and build teamwork, uh, build solving problem.

I mean, uh anybody that played sports, you had to overcome something.

Uh typically the other team.

Very true.

Sometimes you're coaches, but uh you had to overcome obstacles as an individual and as a team, and there are so many studies that show those children that participated in sports, uh, even a band like the pride of broken air, but participated in sports, actually were better grounded and did better in school and did better as leaders and in jobs.

Everybody here has a job, and it's very difficult to be standalone and be successful in your job.

You have to interact with people at the city of Broken Arrow to a person and my leadership team.

I can tell you my best leaders played sports.

It equates, it equates.

And so far, I've seen a lot of public feedback of that very thing going.

It's more than just sports, it actually builds character and it builds team.

Very good.

Great question.

Thank you.

And just lastly, my my my very last one was uh wasn't really a question, but you've talked about you know a lot of the things that possibly we could be looking forward to.

But just in in one minute, could you just tell me what is at risk if if this was a no what will we miss out on as a community?

Another good one.

Um you're on fire, buddy.

Good job.

Um if you don't reinvest in yourself, at some point in time, you're gonna have to.

So let's to your point.

Let's say the the geo bonds did not pass, right?

Uh that property tax does roll off.

You don't end up paying that property tax, but the streets don't get any better.

The fire stations and the training and the police that we don't get a fire station eight, we or nine, we don't remove move one.

Um quality of life, we don't get the rec center, we don't get those capital improvements back into our community.

So let's say five years from now, all of a sudden, people are like, we need to do that.

Cost went up, and now the people have to vote it back in as a uh as a new tax.

Broken air has been very successful of understanding the bond program and the property tax of a reinvestment.

We've only had in my recollection, we've only had maybe two propositions, not the the bond itself, but two propositions even fail.

So uh I believe broken air will come out and support it again, but that's that's a good point.

If they don't, and and it's up to the people, the people get to choose, right?

So if they choose not to, you'll end up paying in the back end.

You don't invest in and redo your house, you lose some value.

Same thing.

And I guess they need to know since I'm an election pro worker, they need to know that they're gonna be different bonds, they're gonna be different items on the uh ballot, right?

Yes, and maybe I'm way too early on this, but you know, we'll probably talk about it basically.

No, that's a great one.

You don't have to vote for every one of them either.

You should vote for you should vote for every one of them, but they'll all be separate.

They're each standalone, right?

And as Mr.

Spurgeon says, make sure you tell everybody flip the ballot over, right?

The likelihood is there'll be four or five on the front and there'll be three or four on the back.

So make sure you flip it over, uh vote eight times.

You have the opportunity to vote eight times.

We want to hear your voice.

Yeah, you just don't want somebody that that that there's probably a person out there that oh, I'm not for that, so I'm not gonna go vote.

Well, wait a minute.

You may not want to vote on that one, but there's still the others that are available.

Good point.

So yeah, okay.

I I would also point out that for nearly five years that I've been here, I've heard this planning commission remind everyone that comes up and complains about traffic.

There's a bond coming up that you need to be aware of.

25 million dollars and give your input and vote for.

So that's right.

And if it doesn't hold it by some chance pass, you can remind them you had the opportunity to fix this and you didn't.

So you see, and that's another thing with the unnamed projects.

I mean, that opens up an opportunity right there.

As far as I know.

But all the people that gripe about we we don't want this here because it won't handle the traffic.

Just leave just leave it up here doing our negative meetings.

Uh traffic concerns.

I will add one last thing.

Uh uh, you guys brought up a real good point.

The proposition one, the 205 million dollars, we put uh some money in there, match money for federal dollars.

So that's usually a uh 75, 25, 80, 20.

I don't know.

Um so if we take 10 million dollars, that may parlay into 50 million dollars.

We set that up so that we could actually get more.

So your 205 could be closer to 250 with that.

Yeah.

So your town halls that you showed a while ago, I guess I call town halls, whatever you want to call those.

When you go to those, these right here, public forum.

Sorry.

When you go to those, I guess you're gonna have different stations showing this as prop one.

This is what the project is.

I'm sure we'll do that, yes, sir.

Yeah, okay.

So they'll see a lot of details there, and I can ask you the question.

So it's just not gonna be like a presentation like that.

No, no, no, it'll be it'll be the opening.

Kind of a walk around type thing.

Yep.

Okay, good.

I like that.

A lot of what we did before with about all the projects, now we've narrowed it down so they can see what they are.

Yes, sir.

I appreciate you guys listening.

You're welcome.

I I appreciate the input and like I said, I appreciate you guys serving.

So may I ask um percentage of infrastructure replacement lifecycle replacement stuff?

Like, is it I'm assuming it's part of this bond in the different sections, but um do you have an idea like what percentage is about just infrastructure upgrades, whether it's um I see a lot of new stuff, that's why I was just curious.

I don't know the percentage right off, and um so when we actually started putting the bond program together, it will started out like 1.2, 1.3 billion dollars, and it had new stuff, it had rehab, it had everything, and we we still have a lot of that, just a smaller uh portion of it.

Um I would like to point out one thing.

Look at that 415 real quick.

That's your prop one through seven, that's your bond.

Um that's that's not today's dollars.

We talked about this earlier.

We went out maybe six years, seven years, and estimated today's dollars forecasted forward.

If you look at that right now, it's about three hundred and fifteen million dollars in today's dollars.

Yeah, we have to cover the escalation of projects.

So uh it's it's been well thought out whether it's a rehab or new.

All right, thank you.

Okay, thank you.

You didn't know we were gonna ask you the question.

No, Mr.

Spurgeon didn't tell me you guys were gonna ask questions.

I'm gonna have to talk to him about that.

You did then.

But I knew you all I figured that you did fantastic.

Appreciate it.

Remember, this is all a coffee.

Thank you for your time.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Mr.

Schwab.

Any other discussion?

Well, we don't need to take action on this, just so no other discussion.

I guess we're item number nine remarks inquiries.

Do we have anything?

Item number two.

No staff comments.

No staff comments for number nine.

I I do have one comment for number nine.

Go vote.

Yes.

Co vote.

I second that.

April 7th.

Yes, ma'am.

All right, item number 10.

Adjournment move to adjourn.

Second.

I have a most second roll call vote.

Mandy Pain.

No.

Yes.

Jaley Clempa.

No.

Uh Jason Cohen.

Yes.

Robert Gornson.

Yes.

Robert's getting tired of this.

We had to.

Thank you all.

It makes it exciting.

It makes it fun.

First time I've heard no on the journal.