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Joint Town Council and School Board Budget Workshop - November 6, 2025

Town Council WorkshopsThursday, November 6, 2025
BodyBrunswick, Maine
SessionTown Council Workshops
DateThursday, November 6, 2025
StatusFILED
Video Record
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Transcript — Verbatim
0:07

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the second year of our joint town council school board workshop to discuss budgeting our favorite topic.

0:30

This year we have also invited our newly elected officials.

0:40

And I would like to before we introduce ourselves, I'd like to introduce them from the audience.

0:50

So District One, Counselor Elect Rich Ellis, and school board member elect Elizabeth Kettner.

1:13

She's not here yet, but she's penny for time.

1:15

She she'll be coming, I think.

1:17

Sure.

1:18

District four.

1:21

Councilor elect Corey Peralt.

1:25

And district six, counselor elect Ramona Teamy.

1:32

And also I want to congratulate those of us in this group who have been re-elected.

1:41

Counselor Ecker from District 2, School Board Chair Beth Bison from District 2, and Elizabeth Sokolov from District 6.

1:56

So thank you all.

1:58

Now, if we could quickly go from the end, Councillor Watson, and just say your names and what your district you can represent.

2:10

Excuse me.

2:14

District 1.

2:19

Council District 2.

2:21

And Beth Bisson School Board District 2.

2:25

Erica Carly Harris, School Board District 3.

2:29

Sandy Up T Graph, Town Council, District 4.

2:34

Selena Harrison, School Board, District 4.

2:39

Jen Hicks, Town Council, District 5.

2:43

Dan Walsh, School Board District 5.

2:47

Matt Shedd, Council of District 6.

2:50

Elizabeth Sokoloff, School Board District 6.

2:54

Steve Wiens, Town Councilor, District 7.

2:58

Nathan McDonald, Town Councilor at Large.

3:01

Billy Thompson, school board member at large.

3:08

Is that working?

3:09

Okay.

3:11

Thank you all.

3:13

And I would now like to turn the meeting over to our facilitator, Liz Hertz.

3:23

Thank you, Sandy.

3:24

And it's a pleasure to be back with you again, second time around.

3:29

I will facilitate the meeting.

3:32

So I feel like my major responsibility is to the process.

4:05

One, we're gonna re we're gonna review and revisit some ideas that came up at our meeting last year.

4:13

And then the last half of the meeting, we're gonna be we're gonna spend coming up with new ideas for ways to collaborate, cooperate, integrate going forward.

4:26

So that's the general breakdown of the meeting.

4:29

We'll start um by hearing from the town manager about the parameters that govern the process of creating the town budget.

4:41

We'll hear a very brief review of the budget process survey.

4:47

Then the next section we'll do a little bit of uh follow-up from ideas that came up last year.

4:54

Maybe take those a little further if that's appropriate tonight.

5:00

And then the last section will be question and answers around ideas, ways to improve the process and content communication between the school board and the town council during budget development.

5:12

And I like to have what I call working agreements for meetings, just to kind of set the stage so that everyone has a clear understanding of how the meetings going to be run, how we'll and how we'll interact with each other.

5:30

And those are at the bottom of the agenda if you have one.

5:34

And so most importantly, we're going to listen carefully to one speaker at a time.

5:41

We're going to do our best to share the time so that everyone gets a chance to be heard and a chance to speak.

5:49

Honoring time limits is really important.

5:52

I take it very seriously that the meeting is set to conclude at 8 30, and we want to make sure to get through the agenda so that everyone can be leaving at 8 30 if that's you know, that's the wrap-up.

6:07

Respectfully sharing ideas and all ideas are needed here tonight.

6:12

We're not going to dive into the weeds in tonight's meeting.

6:16

It's really an opportunity to review some of the things that came up last year, but to generate new ideas, and then focus again on generating ideas, not judging them.

6:29

And really important, try to stay on topic.

6:32

And I'll apologize now if I interrupt you and ask you to wrap up a comment because we're going off the rails a little bit.

6:41

But again, it's all in an attempt to keep the meeting on time and to keep us on task.

6:50

Does that does anybody have trouble with those meeting agreements?

6:56

Great.

6:57

Love that.

6:58

All right.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Budget Equity Analysis█████████████████████████████████████████████55%
Capital Improvement Projects█████████████16%
Public Engagement███████████13%
Procedural██████7%
Education Funding██████7%
Public Safety██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Joint Town Council and School Board Budget Workshop - November 6, 2025

This was the second annual joint workshop between the Brunswick Town Council and School Board, held on November 6, 2025, to discuss the budget process, review progress from the previous year, and generate new ideas for collaboration. The meeting was facilitated by Liz Hertz and included presentations from the Town Manager, Superintendent, and councilors on budget parameters, survey results, and topics such as long-term planning, aspirational tax targets, and transparency.

Budget Process Overview

  • Town Manager Julia Henzi explained the legal framework: Maine statute (MRSA Title 20A) and the Brunswick Town Charter define the roles of the council (determines total school budget amount) and the school board (directs expenditure of those funds). She outlined the annual budget cycle, including capital improvement planning (CIP) and the timeline for budget adoption and the school budget referendum.
  • School Board Finance Committee (Beth Bison) described how the school board's finance/human resources committee works, and noted that CIP for facilities goes to a separate facilities committee.

Budget Process Survey Results

  • Councilor Nathan McDonald presented survey responses from council and school board members about the previous year's process. Positive feedback included early coordination, leadership meetings, and council attendance at school board sessions. Challenges included a desire for more detailed financial information from the school department, concerns about audit delays, and interest in more structured updates. A recurring suggestion was to establish standing joint meetings.

Discussion on Long-Term Joint Budget Planning

  • The group revisited the idea of long-term joint budget planning using the CIP model. The town currently has a five-year capital improvement plan and a five-year operational planning model. The school department participates in the town's CIP process, submitting projects for funding. Superintendent Phil Potenziano noted that the school board has its own CIP and that projects not funded by the town are either deferred or included in the school budget.
  • Councilor Steve Wiens raised the value of integrating both municipal and school capital projects into a single comprehensive CIP for better planning. The discussion highlighted the need for long-term enrollment projections and addressing major facility needs like the high school roof and junior high school.

Aspirational Tax Rate Target Debate

  • Beth Bison led the discussion on setting an aspirational tax impact target. She noted that in the past two years, a target of no more than 3% total tax impact was met, but that further reductions would cut into programs. She expressed caution due to significant uncertainties from federal and state funding, rising health insurance costs, and student enrollment changes.
  • Councilor Nathan McDonald suggested a baseline budget with contingency plans (Plan B, Plan C) for potential shortfalls. Councilor Steve Wiens emphasized the importance of having some target, even with uncertainties, and called for enhanced long-range operational planning.
  • School board members noted that long-term operational planning is difficult due to variable student needs and mandates. They supported the idea of an economic growth study to inform population and facility planning.

Transparency and Public Communication

  • The group discussed improving public access to budget information. The superintendent demonstrated the school department's website, which includes a budget link, FAQs, and a public data dashboard. Suggestions included adding a link from the town website to the school budget page, creating a social media campaign, and producing a budget-focused podcast or video.
  • Councilor Sandy Upstill proposed a "must-watch TV" approach for the budget driver workshop to engage the public early. Councilor Jen Hicks raised the need to communicate clearly about potential federal funding cuts as soon as information is available.

New Ideas for Improving Collaboration

  • Councilor Steve Wiens suggested a joint finance committee meeting once a year to discuss detailed issues like audits, CIP, and debt management.
  • Councilor Nathan McDonald proposed a rapid communication channel through leadership to update both bodies on federal funding developments.
  • School board member Beth Bison advocated for creating an endowment for education to shield taxpayers from fluctuations and stabilize funding.
  • Councilor Matt Shedd called for a sustained joint long-term planning mechanism, using the town's operational model, to perform sensitivity analysis on future capital projects.
  • Several participants reiterated the value of the aspirational tax target (with an asterisk for uncertainty) and of continued cross-attendance at meetings.

Key Outcomes

  • Leadership teams will compile notes from the meeting and distribute them to all members to guide future work.
  • The group agreed to continue the joint workshop as an institutionalized annual event.
  • There was consensus to explore more frequent communication between finance committees and to consider a joint meeting to discuss specific financial topics.
  • The school department will examine adding a direct link to the town budget page, and the town will ensure school budget information is easily accessible during the budget season.
  • The idea of a budget podcast or video tutorial to walk citizens through finding budget data was positively received, with the superintendent indicating interest in producing one.
  • No formal votes were taken; the workshop was informational and idea-generating.

Meeting Transcript

Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the second year of our joint town council school board workshop to discuss budgeting our favorite topic. This year we have also invited our newly elected officials. And I would like to before we introduce ourselves, I'd like to introduce them from the audience. So District One, Counselor Elect Rich Ellis, and school board member elect Elizabeth Kettner. She's not here yet, but she's penny for time. She she'll be coming, I think. Sure. District four. Councilor elect Corey Peralt. And district six, counselor elect Ramona Teamy. And also I want to congratulate those of us in this group who have been re-elected. Counselor Ecker from District 2, School Board Chair Beth Bison from District 2, and Elizabeth Sokolov from District 6. So thank you all. Now, if we could quickly go from the end, Councillor Watson, and just say your names and what your district you can represent. Excuse me. District 1. Council District 2. And Beth Bisson School Board District 2. Erica Carly Harris, School Board District 3. Sandy Up T Graph, Town Council, District 4. Selena Harrison, School Board, District 4. Jen Hicks, Town Council, District 5. Dan Walsh, School Board District 5. Matt Shedd, Council of District 6. Elizabeth Sokoloff, School Board District 6. Steve Wiens, Town Councilor, District 7. Nathan McDonald, Town Councilor at Large. Billy Thompson, school board member at large. Is that working? Okay. Thank you all. And I would now like to turn the meeting over to our facilitator, Liz Hertz. Thank you, Sandy. And it's a pleasure to be back with you again, second time around. I will facilitate the meeting. So I feel like my major responsibility is to the process. One, we're gonna re we're gonna review and revisit some ideas that came up at our meeting last year. And then the last half of the meeting, we're gonna be we're gonna spend coming up with new ideas for ways to collaborate, cooperate, integrate going forward. So that's the general breakdown of the meeting. We'll start um by hearing from the town manager about the parameters that govern the process of creating the town budget. We'll hear a very brief review of the budget process survey. Then the next section we'll do a little bit of uh follow-up from ideas that came up last year. Maybe take those a little further if that's appropriate tonight. And then the last section will be question and answers around ideas, ways to improve the process and content communication between the school board and the town council during budget development. And I like to have what I call working agreements for meetings, just to kind of set the stage so that everyone has a clear understanding of how the meetings going to be run, how we'll and how we'll interact with each other. And those are at the bottom of the agenda if you have one. And so most importantly, we're going to listen carefully to one speaker at a time. We're going to do our best to share the time so that everyone gets a chance to be heard and a chance to speak. Honoring time limits is really important. I take it very seriously that the meeting is set to conclude at 8 30, and we want to make sure to get through the agenda so that everyone can be leaving at 8 30 if that's you know, that's the wrap-up.

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