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Butte Silver Bow Charter Study Commission Meeting - September 22, 2025

Council of Commissioners & CommitteesMonday, September 22, 2025
BodyButte Silver Bow, Montana
SessionCouncil of Commissioners & Committees
DateMonday, September 22, 2025
StatusFILED
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Transcript — Verbatim
6:00

Raylan Brandle.

6:02

Absolutely.

6:03

Excuse.

6:04

Laurie Casey.

6:06

Dan Denihy.

6:07

Here.

6:08

Mary McCarmick.

6:10

Cindy Purdue Dolan.

6:12

Here.

6:12

Cindy Shaw.

6:13

Here.

6:14

Chad Silk.

6:15

Here.

6:15

Matt Stephen.

6:17

I haven't heard from Matt.

6:18

And I don't know if uh Ray Lynn did or not.

6:22

So she might have.

6:24

So let's excuse Matt.

6:26

Ben Thielen.

6:27

He's been excused.

6:31

Can we have the pledge and the prayer, please?

6:35

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

6:39

And to the Republic for Richard stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

6:48

Almighty God, we implore you to look upon us this night as we make decisions which will greatly affect our peace local community.

7:00

Amen.

7:02

Thank you, Cindy.

7:04

Do we have any comment on any item on the agenda tonight?

7:09

Seeing none, do we have any public comment on on anything not on the agenda tonight?

7:14

And I'm sorry, Matt.

7:16

Um even though it's not part of the uh agenda, I think the public comments section is probably the best section for me to update you guys on these two memorandums.

7:26

Very good.

7:26

Thank you.

7:27

Thank you, Commissioners.

7:29

Um I'll start with the first one that was drafted for uh Chairwoman Brandle.

7:33

Uh she asked very specific questions with regards to revamping uh local government, size of the council, um certain things that need to be mandated and changed.

7:44

I will go through each one briefly and then you know, kind of the answers to them, and then you can look and see in depth where the rest of those questions went.

7:52

The first question the chairwoman Brandle asked was what would happen, you know, if uh this commission decided to go to a uh smaller commission, fewer commissioners.

8:03

Her current her question was specifically in relation uh to Article 3 of our charter.

8:09

Because charters have priority over statutes and structuring local governments, uh executive, legislative, administrative organizations.

8:16

Um there is legal room to define all of these, however, it will require significant change to Article 3 in our charter.

8:26

Uh uh commission slash manager style uh government.

8:32

Section 3.03E, which specifically authorizes the council uh to advise the council or authorizes the community to advise the council of commissioners.

8:41

One of the questions chairwoman Brandle asked was about advisory bodies located in the community.

8:47

Uh the charter language already specifically allows for those, so we can keep them in there.

8:52

What this commission needs to be aware of is there is a key question with that that I think needs to be answered is what legal authority, if any, will these bodies have um if they are put together.

9:04

Um purely from you know a legal risk standpoint is if they're given direct powers, those need to be specifically defined.

9:11

However, if they are just an advisory board, they are just that.

9:14

They are just advising the commission of things that are going on in their community and where they would like to see things go from there.

9:21

Um section 3.03H.

9:23

The council shall provide that all functions mandated upon either cities or counties shall be complied with.

9:29

So this is kind of a broad catch-all that's in our charter.

9:32

If we reduce the size of our commission, um this clause is actually probably gonna become a lot more burdensome, uh, particularly with fewer people shouldering, you know, more oversight.

9:42

Uh you know, it's mandated upon either cities or counties.

9:45

So this can involve state law mandates, you know, which compliance can be rigid, costly, effective.

9:51

Do they are they gonna have staffing?

10:00

Things that this commission might consider with regards to that specific section of the charter, you know, is refining or specifying what functions are meant and who is responsible, either the legislative or executive branch for ensuring compliance.

10:09

Alternatively, you could separate policy such legislative oversight versus administrative execution.

10:15

There's another section currently in the charter with regards to the annual evaluation and publishing those results in the newspaper.

10:22

Particularly under Montana law, transparency is always important.

10:25

Right now, our charter specifically requires that we publish, you know, the annual report, which is uh the what do we call it?

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Government Structure█████████████████████████████████████37%
Fire Services███████████████████████23%
Community Engagement████████████12%
Public Engagement██████████10%
Procedural█████████9%
Budget Equity Analysis███████7%
Pending Litigation██2%
Summary of Proceedings

Butte Silver Bow Charter Study Commission Meeting - September 22, 2025

The Butte Silver Bow Charter Study Commission met on September 22, 2025, to discuss proposed charter revisions, including reducing the number of commissioners, transitioning to a city manager form of government, and clarifying the role of the director of fire services. County Attorney Matt Yanruth presented detailed legal analyses of charter questions posed by commissioners and addressed conflicts between local ordinances and state statutes regarding volunteer fire departments. The meeting also included public comments on neighborhood councils, approval of previous meeting minutes, and planning for the upcoming public hearing and preliminary report.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Ed Van Rob (Greeley Neighborhood Community Development Corporation) made two presentations. First, he proposed a three-tier community council system (Greater Butte Silver Bow Community Council, District Councils, and Neighborhood Improvement Councils) to enhance public participation. He emphasized these councils should be advisory and not create additional bureaucracy. Second, he clarified that neighborhood councils are independent, officially recognized organizations without code enforcement or governance authority, meant to submit consensual recommendations through the district delegate system.

Discussion Items

  • County Attorney Matt Yanruth provided a comprehensive memorandum addressing Chairwoman Brandle's questions about charter revisions. Key points included:
    • Reducing the commission size would require significant changes to Article 3 of the charter and could increase burdens on fewer commissioners.
    • Advisory bodies can remain, but their legal authority must be clearly defined; purely advisory roles are recommended.
    • The charter should retain the restriction that commissioners cannot directly order city employees, maintaining the manager's authority.
    • A tiebreaker vote mechanism is still needed, but could shift from the chief executive to an independent presiding officer (e.g., a mayor) to avoid bias.
    • Transitioning to a city manager model would align with state statutes (MCA 7-3-4362-63) and allow the commission to hire/fire the manager.
    • The current charter allows for elimination or combination of departments via ordinance, but language should be clarified to avoid locking in permanent departments.
    • Parks and Recreation gaining director status would clarify authority and chain of command.
  • Commissioner Silk asked about conflicts between local ordinance 2-16-040 (centralizing fire services command) and state statutes regarding volunteer fire departments (MCA 7-33-2110). Yanruth explained that a judicial interpretation may be needed unless the charter specifically addresses the director of fire services' role and the status of volunteer and rural fire departments. Placing fire service details in the charter would resolve conflicts.
  • Commissioner Dolan inquired about the timeline for implementing a city manager and smaller commission. Yanruth estimated one to two years, requiring budget adjustments, elections, and transition planning.
  • Commissioner Casey asked about odd-numbered commissions to avoid tiebreakers; Yanruth noted that absences could still cause ties, so a designated tiebreaker remains prudent.
  • Commissioner Shaw questioned the exception for inquiry/investigation in Section 3.04, which allows commissioners to ask questions but not direct staff. Yanruth affirmed this distinction.
  • Commissioner Denihy requested an accurate fire district map; Yanruth noted GIS is working on compiling resolutions to produce a final map, and volunteer fire departments are encouraged to provide documentation.
  • Commissioner McCarmick discussed the need for sufficient detail in ballot language, referencing Bozeman's transition to a city manager as a model.
  • Commissioner Purdue Dolan raised the possibility of a forensic audit to identify budget savings, but acknowledged this is beyond the commission's scope.
  • Chairman Brandle and others discussed supplemental reports vs. ballot issues, with Yanruth clarifying that charter-required items must go to the ballot, while other recommendations can be sent to the council via supplemental reports.

Key Outcomes

  • The commission approved the minutes from the September 8, 2025 meeting (motion by Commissioner Casey, seconded by Commissioner Purdue Dolan).
  • A public hearing is scheduled for September 29, 2025, from 5:30 to 7:30 PM to gather public input on charter changes.
  • The commission will invite Mr. Van Rob back for an official discussion on neighborhood councils at a future meeting (not the public hearing).
  • Staff will compile sticky-note comments from recent open houses and share survey results (preliminary percentages discussed) via OneDrive for commissioner access.
  • The commission will begin planning the preliminary report after the public hearing, including defining ballot issues, supplemental recommendations, and charter language revisions.

Meeting Transcript

Raylan Brandle. Absolutely. Excuse. Laurie Casey. Dan Denihy. Here. Mary McCarmick. Cindy Purdue Dolan. Here. Cindy Shaw. Here. Chad Silk. Here. Matt Stephen. I haven't heard from Matt. And I don't know if uh Ray Lynn did or not. So she might have. So let's excuse Matt. Ben Thielen. He's been excused. Can we have the pledge and the prayer, please? I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic for Richard stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Almighty God, we implore you to look upon us this night as we make decisions which will greatly affect our peace local community. Amen. Thank you, Cindy. Do we have any comment on any item on the agenda tonight? Seeing none, do we have any public comment on on anything not on the agenda tonight? And I'm sorry, Matt. Um even though it's not part of the uh agenda, I think the public comments section is probably the best section for me to update you guys on these two memorandums. Very good. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioners. Um I'll start with the first one that was drafted for uh Chairwoman Brandle. Uh she asked very specific questions with regards to revamping uh local government, size of the council, um certain things that need to be mandated and changed. I will go through each one briefly and then you know, kind of the answers to them, and then you can look and see in depth where the rest of those questions went. The first question the chairwoman Brandle asked was what would happen, you know, if uh this commission decided to go to a uh smaller commission, fewer commissioners. Her current her question was specifically in relation uh to Article 3 of our charter. Because charters have priority over statutes and structuring local governments, uh executive, legislative, administrative organizations. Um there is legal room to define all of these, however, it will require significant change to Article 3 in our charter. Uh uh commission slash manager style uh government. Section 3.03E, which specifically authorizes the council uh to advise the council or authorizes the community to advise the council of commissioners. One of the questions chairwoman Brandle asked was about advisory bodies located in the community. Uh the charter language already specifically allows for those, so we can keep them in there. What this commission needs to be aware of is there is a key question with that that I think needs to be answered is what legal authority, if any, will these bodies have um if they are put together. Um purely from you know a legal risk standpoint is if they're given direct powers, those need to be specifically defined. However, if they are just an advisory board, they are just that. They are just advising the commission of things that are going on in their community and where they would like to see things go from there. Um section 3.03H. The council shall provide that all functions mandated upon either cities or counties shall be complied with.

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