Local Government Study Commission Meeting - Oct 20, 2025
Local Government Study Commission Meeting - October 20, 2025
The October 20, 2025, meeting of the Local Government Study Commission focused on clarifying legal constraints for ballot questions, approving an updated project timeline, and receiving expert testimony on auditing procedures. The commission addressed public concerns regarding the definition of forensic audits, the role of neighborhood councils, and the logistical challenges of charter revision. Key updates included legal advice confirming that while only three questions related to the "form of government" may appear on the ballot, other charter modifications are not limited in number but should be streamlined for practicality.
Consent Calendar
- Minutes: The commission unanimously approved the minutes from the October 6, 2025, meeting.
Public Comments & Testimony
- Ex-Council Commissioner: A former commissioner (identity not explicitly stated in transcript) expressed strong opposition to a "hidden top-down director" agenda, asserting that the only person advocating for a dictatorial government approach was the individual who previously requested a proper public hearing rather than a listening session regarding boundary 261 on Grand Avenue.
- Karen Sargent: Representing herself as a nationally certified emergency first responder and firefighter with 30 years of experience, she expressed full support for striking all references to volunteer firefighters from the Butte Silverbow charter. She argued that the current charter unfairly reflects a "high level of disrespect and disdain" toward qualified volunteers who have been ignored regarding their credentials.
- Ed Bandrov (Greeley Neighborhood Community Development Corporation): On behalf of 447 petition signatories, he expressed full support for the implementation of a "Greeley Neighborhood Community Improvement Council" system as a fundamental priority. He argued that the current lack of a bottom-up structure prevents true public participation and cited a 2016 survey suggesting 89% community support (based on a 500-person sample). He opposed the idea of a single district-wide council, advocating instead for neighborhood-specific councils that coordinate with commissioners rather than voting on them.
Discussion Items
- Ballot Question Limits (County Attorney Enruth): Mr. Enruth clarified that Montana statute limits ballot questions directly related to the "form of government" to exactly three options (e.g., number of commissioners, term lengths, government type). However, he stated that modifications to the charter not directly related to form (e.g., creating a coroner position, stylistic changes, HR departments) are not legally limited to three questions, though he recommended limiting these "general" questions to five to eight items to ensure voter clarity and meet deadlines.
- Forensic Audit Definition (Mr. Woy): CPA Jim Woy, a 40-year veteran of auditing, expressed strong opposition to the term "forensic audit" in the context of general fiscal review. He clarified that forensic audits are legally defined as specialized examinations triggered only by allegations of fraud, embezzlement, or non-compliance, intended for use in court. He advised that the commission should instead utilize AI-driven software for broad fiscal data analysis to find anomalies without the implication of misconduct.
- Audit Transparency (Ms. Hasler): County Auditor Karen Hasler confirmed that all financial data is currently public via the Annual Comprehensive Financial Report (ACFR) and weekly expenditure lists. She explained that while the charter permits audits, the commission cannot currently mandate a "forensic audit" via the charter; such language would need to be added to the charter and enacted by the Council of Commissioners. She noted that standard audits already include an opinion on compliance and negative assurance on internal controls, but do not form an opinion on general fund internal controls unless a specific deficiency is found.
- Community Council Structure: Ms. Dolan expressed concern that the proposed hierarchy of neighborhood councils feeding into a "Greater Butte Silverbow Community Council" would create unnecessary layers of bureaucracy. She suggested a simpler model where neighborhood councils provide direct input to commissioners. Commissioner Brandle expressed support for the concept but noted the need to prioritize structural government changes first, pending the new legal clarity on ballot limits.
- Timeline Adjustments: The commission discussed moving the adoption of the preliminary report from November to January 2026 to allow for deeper deliberation. They agreed to a proposed schedule ending with a final report in June/July 2026, with a vote to approve the timeline.
Key Outcomes
- Timeline Approval: The commission voted to adopt the amended timeline, setting the preliminary report adoption for January 2026 and the final report for late June/July 2026.
- Strategic Direction: The commission agreed to limit the number of ballot questions to approximately five to eight total items (including the three form-of-government questions) based on legal advice, to ensure clarity and avoid dilution of key issues.
- Terminology Shift: The commission accepted the guidance from Mr. Woy and Ms. Hasler to remove the term "forensic audit" from their considerations, opting instead to explore the use of advanced audit software for transparency and fiscal impact analysis. The commission intends to recommend to the Council of Commissioners that they investigate these software solutions.
- Next Steps: The commission will prioritize deliberating specific topics (e.g., City Manager vs. Chief Executive) meeting-by-meeting to maintain focus and will reach out to Missoula and Helena for case studies on community council efficacy.
Meeting Transcript
Um, you can't do that. Study commission to order, please, if we can have the pledge of allegiance, or excuse me, roll call. Laurie Casey. Matt Steppen. Here. Ben Thielen. Here. All right. Can we have the Pledge of Allegiance and prayer, please? Okay, thank you all. First item, public comment on any item on the agenda. Okay, hearing none. Um, second item public comment on anything not on the agenda, but within the jurisdiction of the study commission. Gotta push the right button. Not gonna make friends tonight. Are every boundary of 261 on Grand Avenue? Public comment on any item not on the agenda. This ingenuous comment at October Zero Sixth. Local government study commission meeting. The ex-council commissioner commissioner who made that comment is fully aware that a proposal is needed to hold a proper public hearing rather than a listening session. She had awful opportunity at several meetings previous to the public hearing to request discussion on which preliminary proposals should be brought up at the public hearing. The only one with a hidden top-down director and dictatorial government advocate support agenda was the person that made the comment. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment on anything not on the agenda. Hi, I'm Karen Sargent, 3021 Josephine Street here in Butte. Um I have 30 years as an emergency first responder, three decades worth. Twenty-seven years of those have I've been a firefighter on five different departments, two here in Montana. I've participated in structural and wildland fire, medical and all hazard incidents, including vehicle crashes, it during those twenty-seven years. These are my certificates that I have achieved in my trainings. Okay. Um they are all professional level certifications from the National Fire Academy from FEMA and other national and state organizations and agencies. Uh, that I'm very proud of. So all of these certificates, I'm nationally certified. So I can go anywhere in the nation with these certifications. I am nationally certified in hazmat operations, wild land fire suppression, wild land fire finance, public information officer, instructor, and many other smaller topics. During my uh I I am a professionally trained firefighter in every sense of that word. During the three years in Butte, I have shown the career department here in Butte Silverbow, nothing but respect. I have treated the officers with the respect that I give all of my commanding officers, and I am very versed in the incident command system. In return, in the three years that I've been here in Butte, I have received a high level of disrespect and disdain. They don't know about my qualifications. Because they never asked. And they make assumptions about me that I don't particularly care for. If they ask me, I will be happy to show them and happy to tell them. The reason I'm speaking to you tonight is because there's a simple thing that you could do as the government study commission within your purveyance. And that is to strike every reference to the volunteer firefighters in Butte Silverbow out of the charter. It's a simple thing. Just a strike through the line. Thank you. Thank you, Ms.
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