Okay.

You don't like that seven tower click.

That was built in side.

Tall is the uh turn it's the other.

Well you you heard me talk about the traffic.

That's why I wanted to bring it up as well.

I don't know if I can only get one or two, I'm gonna have a square.

That's why I'm gonna disclosure on the dog park.

Yeah, I just want to make it very clear.

We did we did both randomly banner because I made a real much disclosure that time like very well.

I just want to do one.

I want something very clear public.

I want it to stay with the land, so it needs to go.

I I want people to be fully aware of what's there.

I have something pulled up regarding that.

Okay, I was like, I didn't have anything about that one yet.

Do a record.

I'm not sure if you put it in the box.

And then the other one.

Yeah, like this actually.

I don't think like my notes are okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, we all know that's like a problem.

Oh yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Really?

And so I said, um you guys have a lot of people that's like uh starting out.

I don't know.

Well how it's like the first iteration of it is what we're doing.

I don't understand because I changed uh disclosure down or morning large gonna get the stipulation uh I think it'd be I think you I think it'd be difficult.

So not the decibel measurement.

Well that's what we run into problems where we've always done into the problem decades.

I mean you can specify it and you could say stipulation should be hours or nine o'clock in the morning.

And then there should be no announcements.

No announce more important.

Are you should be for uh but I don't I don't think it was you go to a lot of breakfast where they announce it over the PA?

Oh yeah, I say go to T C A.

Oh, we've done that here.

I love that.

Well they they sold it they sold it about three hours.

Oh different hours actually.

Yeah but um they basically school, you know.

Are you are you three kind of things?

Yeah, so it's only for ambulance.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

So only for ambient music and yes on the decibels.

I'm okay with that's another put the decibels on.

Well that's an easy it's an easy way if someone wants to go out with a recording.

Of course.

Yeah, I have our way to have a reference to that.

Yeah, I think that's what we're doing.

Yeah.

No, but we're not gonna say uh actually uh long there.

So it's more time.

Yeah, but almost hard to have this one.

Good evening, welcome to the planning and zoning commission regular meeting for November 19th.

Can I have a roll call, please?

Chair Human?

Here.

Vice Chair Koschel?

Here.

Commissioner Quinn.

Here.

Commissioner Golem.

Here.

Commissioner Schwarzenegger.

Commissioner Bill Stein.

Here.

We have one.

Thank you.

Next item is the Pledge of Allegiance.

Mr.

Billstein, if you'd like to leave us, please.

I pledge allegiance.

Thank you, Mr.

Billstein.

I appreciate that.

Okay.

Um before this meeting, we had a study session.

And I do have three three cards.

I think it's three cards.

Um item number two.

So what I I'm gonna do, um, I'm not gonna pull it to action yet, but I'd like to um go through the speaker cards, and two of these people would like to speak.

Um, and then if we need to, we can pull it to action and have the some of the items addressed.

So um Monique Fulmer.

Your your post-item doesn't say you want to speak, you're welcome to.

I'm concerned about the density of the project with only access on Basher Road with busy park and historic canal impeding vision.

Do you want to speak or does that cover it?

Okay, thank you.

Okay, and then Megan Craighead, do you want to speak?

Oh no.

Okay, come on up.

You'll have three minutes before it can start.

If you'll state your name and address for the record, please, and then uh we'll be glad to hear your concerns.

Okay, thank you.

My name is Megan Craighead.

My address is 4425 South Basha Road, Chandler 85248.

My concerns um are with the property that is across the street, across Basha Road.

Um there's a couple of concerns that I have.

First is with the density of the housing will create a lot of traffic on our tiny little Basher Road, which was at one point Alma School Road, but then Alma School got moved to where it is now because it would not be able to handle the traffic.

So that's a concern that I have.

Another concern that I have is the palm trees that line the road, which are a part um which can't be taken out, create a picket fence effect.

And so it's very difficult to see when you're pulling off of that property.

It's very difficult to see um cars or people coming.

And I we get a lot of people biking and walking and kids going to the park in the skate park that I'm really worried something will happen and somebody will get hurt.

And um the last thing I guess is that I just don't feel like the density of the housing matches with the properties that are already there.

I I understand that Chandler um feels like we need more affordable housing.

The house prices that have been offered for these houses are in the upper 700s, and I don't feel like that would be considered affordable housing for Chandler residents.

And one last thing I forgot.

There is a historic landmark in that area.

And I feel like it would be a real a real shame to knock that down and to not preserve some of the history of that space that was the old good year.

And that's everything.

How long have you lived at your property?

At my current property, 10 years, but that is the neighborhood that I was born and raised in.

When you mentioned the fact that Basha was Amos School, you I figured you'd live.

So a little over 40 years.

I think it's my neighborhood.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Um Ruben Crockhead, would you like to speak or okay?

You found come on up and state your name and address for the record, it'd be great.

All right.

Hello, Commission.

Uh, my name is Ruben Craighead.

I live at 4425 South Dasha Road.

Also, um so my concerns are with the density of the housing, right?

There's a lot of houses there, but I think most of all, my biggest point or my biggest opinion about the thing is that it's extremely uncreative.

And that as a as a commission, right?

We're here representing the city of Chandler that we we ought to stand up and say, hey, don't just raise that raise everything and put up a bunch of stick houses, right?

Uh we need some buy-in from these builders, whether it's leave the trees, right?

Or um leave leave some kind of like give some parking to this to the to the city park because there's not enough parking there, obviously.

There's um maybe the water tower, right?

It's some kind of a cool landmark or whatever, but get more creative.

We don't need to just level everything that's standing and start, you know, and uh sell expensive houses that are whatever.

So I maybe it's uh uh maybe not super well thought out, but I think it's in a way of like here's a chance to give character and creativity and and actually kind of enforce some of the things that uh we want as a channel culture and not just as a you know tax generating revenue, whatever you know, like in a way of like big trees are super cool.

The the the uh Ashton Woods neighborhood that's slightly south of us on Basha Road, they left all the trees.

They had they made them rearrange and rechange their plan so that they had to keep the big eucalyptus trees, and that was at least something, right?

And and so as a as like a standard citizen is someone that's like I want to see the trees still there, I want to see the water tower.

I want to see some way that's like not just the same old raise it and sell houses.

So uh that was my time, I guess.

And thank you for your time.

Thank you very much.

Um, I'm gonna pull this to action, not for a full presentation, but for let the applicant address a few of the concerns when we get to that.

So um okay.

So the other to the audience.

Um we had five other, well, four other items really on this, or three other items, sorry.

Um was there anybody in the audience that wanted to comment on any of the other items?

Item morning glory, maple house, or Jay Alexander's.

Okay, if not, what's the commission's pleasure on everything but item number two?

And wait, before we go there, staff, do you want to read the uh item number three morning glory?

There's some additional stipulations.

Would you like to read this into the record, please?

Stipulation number four is revised to say the hours of speaker operation within the outdoor patio are limited to the following days and hours.

Hours of outdoor speaker operation, Monday to Sunday, 9 a.m.

to 9 p.m.

Stipulation number five is revised to say the volume level on all outdoor speakers speakers shall not exceed 65 decibels at the nearest residential property line.

A new stipulation is added.

Stipulation eight shall read outdoor speakers shall be used only for shall be used for ambient music only.

You're kind of like me, you wrote your handwriting, it's hard to read, right?

Okay to the commission.

Anybody uh any comments or anybody want to make a motion on those items?

Uh Chair, I move to approve the consent agenda minus item two, and with the revisions to stipulations four or five for morning glory and the addition of stipulation eight to morning glory.

Okay.

Do I have a second?

Oh second.

I have a second.

Any further discussion?

All those in favor say aye.

I need opposed, any abstentions.

Okay, motion carries.

Okay.

Um staff, I don't think we really need a presentation.

Item number two, if the applicant would like to state his name, state his name and address for the record.

And if wants to talk about the concerns and a few of the items that the residents talked about, please.

Good evening, Chair, members of the commission, Brennan Ray, 2325 East Calmback Road here on behalf of K Hobnadian Homes.

We're certainly excited.

We recognize the opportunities to talk about for sale housing are very limited within the city, and are certainly excited about this particular piece.

With respect to uh at least what I wrote down, I think it's important to understand when we talk about traffic, when we talk about the palm trees and the water tower, I I've spent a lot of time on this property over the course of my youth and even into where I'm at now.

I spent a lot of time on the property and very familiar with the area.

And this site, uh, as the commission maybe where once was the site of Bash's corporate office and their distribution facility.

Um so there was at its peak uh anywhere between 150 and 200 employees that were working on this site.

Uh it was used for distribution, so you had vendors, you had delivery trucks, you had all kinds of traffic coming in and out of that uh this location, not to mention corporate offices with the executives, uh, the management, um, mailroom, uh, everything.

This was this was the Basha family headquarters.

And so um it is something that uh as we look at it and look at and consider Basha Road, um, certainly uh the intensity of a corporate headquarters with a distribution facility uh is going to greatly uh outweigh what it is.

Now, obviously that's not what it is today, but certainly comparing what it is today, as the bashes, as you may know, sold other company to Rayleigh's, uh, and with that that um rendered the corporate offices no longer necessary.

And so as we look at it, we also know that with respect to the um palm trees and and concerns about that access.

Those palm trees, as you may be aware, uh, and the entire canal has been designated historic, which that means those palm trees have been there a really really long time.

Uh, and through all of that, there was again a lot of traffic that was going in and out of that as compared to this development and the traffic that we will generate.

Um, that would have generated more um traffic, and so we've actually had lots of discussions with traffic staff relative to their perspective on it, the impact of the use on that road today, and at least as we visited with staff, I don't I'm not aware of any concerns that traffic has the impact of this development will have on the existing operations, the level of service and capacity along um Bash Road.

With respect to the water tower, um a little bit of history on that water tower.

Um, that water tower was uh came around in the late 70s and it was used for fire suppression because part of this site is within the county.

In fact, the majority of it is overall 18 acres, 15 acres of it is within the county, and so simultaneous with these applications that are before you we are processing an annexation request.

And so when we look at the water tower, we're not sure of its structural integrity.

Um, and then we run into a lot of concerns relative to people wanting to live under it and purchase a home under it.

Uh and then we also consider the um financial potential burden that would be on the HOA and these homeowners to maintain this facility uh to ensure that it is safe.

And so there are a lot of complications relative to having the water tower exist on the site.

But what we've done is we've talked with staff, we recognize that while it's adjacent to the original Goodyear Center, the original Goodyear Center, unless I'm mistaken from looking at the old maps, actually, is on the Bogle property, but this is certainly adjacent to it.

But as we look at it and as we visited with K Havnanian, what we've decided to do is what is on your screen, I think today, and that is this interpretive sign elevation.

And what you see on it, and staff uh talked about this in the study session, but what you see on it is that there is going to be a steel plaque that's going to have a historical narrative of it of the site on it.

Um you see that kind of corrugated, what I call corrugated um element that's on it, and you see the the brick and stuff like that.

Um you see in the very top of that corner, and the old Basha stores.

Uh, you remember they had the red lettering and kind of the vertical, what I again call corrugated um concrete or whatever the material was.

And so taking up uh and picking up on that historical cue, again, that is relatively synonymous with bashas.

Those of us that have shopped at Bashas uh recognize that almost instantly, at least at least I do.

And so that's why we are including this.

And this sign will be out along Basha Road, not on the road, obviously behind the canal and behind the things, uh the palm trees, but that'll be there to pay homage to the Basha family and to the site.

Obviously, there's a lot of history that the Basha family has within the city of Chandler, a high school named after them, uh, an elementary school named after them, and certainly a road as well.

Uh, and so um we feel that this is something that's good with respect to um the water tower itself and understanding that element um as was presented during the study session.

We are requesting an additional stipulation that would require us to put a um this is the wording on it that we will include a silhouette of a water tower on this interpretive sign.

Again, paying um uh homage in a in an appropriate way of what has existed on this site with the bashes with that water tower.

Um and so I believe that um uh there's there's one more thing that talked about density, and I know that staff in their presentation, and I will probably steal theirs, they talked about density uh and how it fits in the surrounding area.

Um, I believe is this the what's this is the fly, Darcy?

Okay.

So, relative to what exists in the surrounding area, certainly from a density standpoint, just immediately adjacent to us, you see that you've got the echelon um condominiums, townhomes on the north side with a density of 8.7.

You see the echelon community at about 3.39, and you see park view a little bit further to the south at 5.3.

I know if you were to go a little further out and looking at the density, um, what you would see is that um kind of south, further southeast of this site, uh, within Okateo, um, there is a dense uh a parcel with a density of 5.1 and obviously at the corner of Almas School and Oketio, um, a pretty dense area of 15.4.

So where we come in at 5.4, we're kind of in the middle of the density that exists in the area already.

Um, and so um I think uh with that chair, unless there's additional questions.

Again, we're certainly excited to have this request before before you today.

Um, we're appreciative of staff's recommendation for approval.

We're okay with the additional stipulations that we've suggested, and there was an additional one about disclosure that would be made for the dog park uh and the park facilities themselves.

Uh, we are agreeable to that stipulation, and so with that, we would request your recommendation for approval.

Questions of the applicant.

Okay, Mr.

Ray, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Um anybody else in the audience who wants to talk on this item.

Can I change my mind?

Change your mind.

I said I didn't want to talk about it.

Oh, yeah, come on up, state your name.

I do not want anybody not to be able to have a chance to talk.

So if you can state your name and address for the record, that'd be great, please.

You'll have three minutes.

Hi, I'm Monique Fulmer.

I live at 4439 South Basha Road.

Uh just across the way from this.

And I while I appreciate what Brennan has talked about about honoring the history of the area, I do think a little bit of um what he said was a misrepresentation when Bashas was a working warehouse, and all of that traffic was there, the surrounding area was a farm.

And so there was not the traffic that is there now.

It was Elm School Road and a farm.

And now there's all of the other housing, but the real concern is the park.

It is right next to the skate park.

Kids are skating down Basha Road every day.

People are walking down Basha Road, people are cycling down Basha Road.

The way that the road was when Bashas had trucks coming and going because I also grew up right there, lived right there.

It was not the same place when Bashas was a working warehouse as it is today.

That's all.

Thank you.

Um Traffic here.

You want to come up.

I I talked to a resident yesterday about the traffic on Basher Road and Snediger is really where the traffic goes to.

Is there any plans for any calming or done traffic studies, whatever, in terms of trying to calm down the traffic on Basher Road?

Yeah, but now you have stuff closer to the park, I know, but not so.

Yeah, in terms of traffic calming, Basher Row is not a low coast street, it's a collector.

Okay, so there won't be any traffic coming that uh you know plays on a collector, based on the city uh guideline.

Yeah, but I know that I've been involved in the city a long time.

Have you guys done a study, done traffic counts, had somebody look at it in terms of and this has nothing to do with the developer, but from the city's point of view, are we looking at that to make our streets safer?

I I we can do a lot of things if we want to do them.

So I would urge the traffic department engineers to take a look at this road.

And I know there's concerns down there, and it's not the people who are gonna live where these guys live at Basher Road or the people moving in here, it's the people coming down.

You know, they're late for the ball game, they're screaming, you know, racing down at 50 miles an hour.

So I just urge our um staff to take a look at it.

Absolutely.

Um, we over the years, I know we I hear collector, all this other strict stuff, but we really want to do something, we can do it.

Um, so I just urge you guys to take a look at that.

Um, and I personally will ask some of the council members to ask them to take a look at as well.

So thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um I just want to address a couple things.

And and I've been in Chandler over 40 years, been in the valley over 50 years, and you know, Chandler is a different place than it was.

I mean, we were a farming community till 1980, and then Intel came along, and we're now the high-tech city of the Southwest.

And it's sometimes it's hard to watch some of this stuff go away.

Um, and it just I'm I guess it's progress in a way.

Um, and I I feel for it, but at the same time, you know, you know, south of Jermaine Road, people used to go hunting.

There was nothing out there kind of a situation.

So I think this project's a pretty good project.

Affordability, I agree with you.

700,000 houses are not affordable to the average person, but trying to get anything affordable right these days in Chandler is difficult.

I mean, we have the second highest demographics in the in the state, and people are buying these things up.

We have a resident here, he's here somewhere, and his neighborhood in the middle of Chandler, they just build houses that there's they sold out in what three or four months going at $700,000 plus.

So people are buying them uh because we're channels a really desirable place.

So um, staff, can you read an additional?

We we talked about additional stipulations, whoever's in charge of this one.

Can you talk through the steps, please?

Chair Human, uh, if I could help out with this, uh rezoning stipulation number seven reads prior to the time of making any lot reservations or subsequent sale agreements for lots.

The subdivider, home builder, lot developer shall provide a written disclosure statement for the signature of each buyer, acknowledging that the subdivision is located adjacent to or nearby the existing Snedeger Sports Complex and dog park.

That may cause adverse noise orders or other externalities.

The public subdivision report, purchase contracts, CCNRs, and the individual lot property deeds shall include a disclosure statement outlining that the site is adjacent to an existing sport complex and dog park.

The disclosure shall state that such uses are legal and shall be expected to continue infinite infinitely.

The disclosure shall be presented to prospective home buyers on a separate single form for them to read and sign prior to or simultaneously as uh with it, executing a purchase agreement.

This responsibility for notice rests with the home builder, lot developer and shall not be construed as an absolute guarantee by the city of Chandler for receiving such notice.

Great.

And that stays with the land, so it's not something that the house is sold down the road.

So I do know that we had some issues with Echelon moving next to Steniger.

It's one of our premier parks in the city, heavily used.

So Commissioner Billson, you said you had a question.

Yes.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chair.

Um, I just want to address a couple of comments that that some of the residents made and appreciate you guys coming out here.

And and I'd encourage the uh the developer to continue to work with with you all because being on the east side of Asher, you do have unique homes there, and it's unique lot sizes, and it's it's something different.

I know you all aim to protect that.

Um, but from a standpoint of I think it was mentioned that it was an uncreative development.

I think the homes look beautiful.

Um I think it's definitely different than you know, you all being on a little less than an acre.

Um, but I think from from the the way they look is is great.

Um and another comment that was made was uh and I'd just be remiss if I didn't say something was the chance to give uh I think what you said just chance to give uh character and creativity to Chandler culture.

And I would just want to say on the record as you know, Eddie Basha and the Basher family gave so much to Chandler and Arizona as a whole.

And when you talk about culture and uh character, you know, going through the museum that used to be there, and when families would come to town, you'd want to see it, and it was it was amazing.

And unfortunately, the lifespan of that property is just it's come and gone.

And so it's time to redevelop that.

Um, but I I and I hear what you're saying about the water tower, and I drive past it all the time, going to the park, it's really cool.

I understand that you could probably see it from your home, and so that has different, and you've seen it from your home for a long time.

And so um I appreciate the developer working with the signage.

If there's more that can be done, uh continue to do to do that uh so that when those folks pull out of their neighborhood, they still have that um that feeling that they've had for a long time, knowing you know that water tower is is gonna be going away.

Um, but I would just say that I think the the character and creativity that uh Eddie Basha and the Basher family has done here for a long time um more than more than makes up for a water tower.

But I understand what you guys are saying.

So thank you for coming out.

Any other comments?

If not, can I have a motion from somebody?

Including these stipulations, commissioner.

Um make a motion to approve item number two for today with the amended stipulations.

I have a second.

Okay, any further comments?

One of our Ryan came off the dias because Brian needs to recuse himself because he lives close to this property, so that's why people are wondering why one of our commissioners walked into the audience uh because he is within the the notification zone.

So there are other comments.

All those in favor say aye.

Aye, aye, aye.

Any opposed?

Any abstentions?

Okay, motion carries.

Okay.

Any comments from staff tonight?

City attorney.

Okay.

Uh, Thanksgiving's coming up next week.

Wish everybody a great and happy Thanksgiving and um make sure you walk a little bit after before or after dinner.

So anyway, this meeting is adjourned.