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Chapel Hill Board of Adjustment Meeting - October 2, 2025

Meeting PortalThursday, October 2, 2025
BodyChapel Hill, North Carolina
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DateThursday, October 2, 2025
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0:00

Uh good evening and welcome to the October 2nd meeting of the Town of Chapel Hill Board of Adjustment.

0:06

It's now 6 30.

0:08

So the meeting will come to order.

0:10

Mr.

0:11

Taz Legou is serving as staff to the board this evening, and the board's attorney is Mr.

0:15

James Baker.

0:17

Mr.

0:18

LeGu, would you please call the roll?

0:22

Ms.

0:22

Miller?

0:24

Mr.

0:24

Warshaw.

0:26

Mr.

0:26

Weiner?

0:27

Here.

0:28

Mr.

0:28

Nam.

0:29

Here.

0:30

Mr.

0:30

Fishkin.

0:32

Mr.

0:32

Bartow.

0:33

Here.

0:34

Mr.

0:34

Garza.

0:36

Mr.

0:37

Wortman.

0:38

Present.

0:38

Mr.

0:39

Grasty.

0:40

Present.

0:42

So with uh with six members, I would like to declare a quorum exists for conduct of tonight's business.

0:51

The first item on the agenda is the approval of tonight's agenda.

0:57

The agenda was mailed to everyone on Tuesday, September 30th.

1:02

Now, before if I ask, before I ask if there are any objections to the amendments to the agenda, I did want to point out that I'm sure many of you who have looked at this agenda have noticed that the variants for 105 Timberland did in fact pass at our last meeting.

1:22

So if there's any confusion when you look at the meeting notes from last meeting or the agenda from tonight, that is uh indeed what it has occurred.

1:32

So with that statement, does anyone have any other questions or amendments to tonight's uh agenda move to approve the agenda?

1:43

We have a motion to approve second, and we have a second.

1:48

Um you please call the uh roll Ms.

1:56

Miller.

1:58

Approved, Mr.

1:59

Weiner?

2:00

Approved.

2:01

Mr.

2:01

Nam.

2:02

Approve.

2:03

Mr.

2:04

Bartel.

2:05

Approve.

2:06

Dr.

2:07

Wortman.

2:08

Approve.

2:09

Mr.

2:10

Grasty.

2:10

Approved.

2:12

Okay.

2:14

Um are there any announcements this evening from the board or staff or our council?

2:19

Okay.

2:20

Seeing none, we'll proceed to review the minutes from the September 4th meeting of the town uh board of adjustment.

2:27

Are there any objections to the minutes as drafted?

2:33

Good.

2:34

Seeing none, do we have uh a motion to accept those?

2:38

Move to approve.

2:39

One quick thing that I noticed in the minutes is in the count for the vote for the variants.

2:48

It lists me as an I, and I think it should just say recuse for me.

2:53

Yeah, and I can um speak to that.

2:55

It it's a quirk in our system.

2:57

The the way we record the votes.

3:00

Um you are listed as a recusal, but for whatever reason, and I can work this out with the clerk's office if it's of a change is possible, but recusals for whatever reason get counted as as ayes, um, even though that's not the actual way in which the the vote is tallied.

3:16

Okay.

3:17

We we can amend those minutes.

3:19

We can we can do that if you make the motion.

3:22

Okay.

3:22

Yeah, move to approve the minutes with that notation uh made.

3:26

I'll second that.

3:27

Okay, we have um we have a motion to approve the minutes with the notation.

3:33

Um can you please call the roll?

3:37

Ms.

3:37

Miller, approve, Mr.

3:39

Weiner, approve, Mr.

3:41

Nam.

3:42

Approve, Mr.

3:43

Bartow?

3:44

Approve.

3:45

Oh, approve.

3:47

Dr.

3:47

Wortman, aye, Mr.

3:49

Grasty.

3:50

Aye.

3:51

So with the housekeeping portions of the agenda behind us, there's uh just one uh piece of old business to address, and and that is the vote on approving the after-the-fact variants at 105 Timberland Court.

4:06

Um have all of the members uh present here tonight had a chance to review uh resolution A that we'll be voting on.

4:14

Yep.

4:15

Good.

4:16

Um so what we're gonna do now is we're gonna have a motion to approve this variance, and then we'll have a vote.

4:25

And I just want to remind everyone that uh Mr.

4:31

Nam will recuse himself from this vote, and all the rest of us will vote.

4:36

And um we need to all vote unanimously to pass it, and I'll leave it at that.

4:43

So we are not actually voting on the uh variants, we're voting on approving the order.

4:47

Correct.

4:51

That is correct.

4:54

Yes, we are voting to approve the decision on the variance.

5:01

So can I get a motion for that?

5:04

Sure.

5:04

I'll move to approve the variance.

5:05

Okay.

5:07

May I ask for unanimous consent?

5:10

When do we do that?

5:11

Do what I'm sorry.

5:12

Unanimous consent.

5:14

I'm sorry.

5:19

No, no, I heard you, but I just was a little bit unclear on what you're asking me.

5:24

When is it appropriate to move for unanimous consent?

5:29

Well, I think we can move for unanimous consent now, can we not?

5:33

Or do we just take the vote and all vote in the affirmative?

5:36

You can all vote in the affirmative.

5:38

Um would be fine.

5:40

Or if you want to do it a different way, that is fine too.

5:41

I'd like to point of order.

5:43

Yes.

5:43

I don't think we've gotten the second yet.

5:45

We've not no, we haven't.

5:47

I was just trying to adjust address Ms.

5:49

Miller's question.

5:51

So what we'd like to do is we're going to go through and when we get the second and vote individually.

5:57

Okay, so we have a motion to approve.

5:59

Do we have a second?

6:01

Second.

6:02

All right, thank you.

6:03

Discussion.

6:04

Pardon?

6:05

Discussion.

6:06

Um the motion was to approve the variance.

6:09

Well, we did that at our last meeting.

6:12

What we're being asked to do now is to prove the order.

6:15

The decision on the variance, yes.

6:17

Yeah, I think essentially we're saying we're voting to say yes, this is what we did last week.

6:22

That is correct.

6:22

Right.

6:23

Yeah.

6:23

That is correct.

6:24

Okay.

6:25

Or last month, rather.

6:26

Yeah, clarified.

6:27

Yeah.

6:28

Thank you.

6:29

Um I appreciate the questions.

6:31

Does anyone else have any clarification on anything before we vote on this?

6:36

No.

6:37

Okay.

6:38

Taz, you want to go ahead and call the roll?

6:40

Yes.

6:41

Ms.

6:41

Miller?

6:42

Yes.

6:42

Mr.

6:43

Weiner.

6:43

Aye.

6:44

Mr.

6:44

Nam.

6:46

Recuse.

6:47

Mr.

6:47

Bartow.

6:48

Yes.

6:49

Dr.

6:49

Wartman.

6:50

Aye.

6:51

Mr.

6:51

Grastey.

6:52

Aye.

6:53

So the decision on the variance for 105, Timberlin Court, the after-the-fact dimension variance has been approved unanimously.

7:02

Are there any petitions before the board this evening?

7:09

Okay.

7:10

Seeing none, we only have one other piece of business tonight, a new piece of business, and that is uh electing officers, uh, a chair and a vice chair.

7:20

Um I think I sent an email out to everyone that stated that I would be I've enjoyed doing what I've done the last done the last year.

7:32

I'd be more than happy to continue.

7:33

However, I'm nominating you for chair.

7:37

If well, okay.

7:39

I'm making a motion to nominate you for chair for the next term.

7:44

Okay.

7:44

Second.

7:45

Second.

7:47

Um do we have let me ask a question maybe to Taz.

7:51

So we have a nomination for me to be nominated for a second term.

7:56

Is it appropriate now for us to get nominations for other people?

8:00

If so, or do we do that after this vote?

8:03

I think it's kind of your prerogative as as a board.

8:07

Um there is now a uh properly moved and seconded motion on the floor.

8:14

Okay.

8:14

Um so you you could choose to vote on it.

8:17

All right.

8:18

I think that's what we'll do, unless yes.

8:20

Sorry, I just have a question um please about the process.

8:24

So what would it what exactly was the motion that was made and seconded?

8:28

Well, who to nominate Thomas Grastey for the chair of Board of Adjustment?

8:35

Okay.

8:36

Um I'm wondering if we just sort of close the floor for nominations first and then vote for chair, or if we I'm wondering how that works exactly.

8:46

Well, uh maybe just say, are there any other question I was was asking?

8:52

I think that was we were asking the same question.

8:54

You asked it a little more uh professionally.

8:58

But um I think what we can do is we can go ahead and uh and and vote on this now if we'd like.

9:08

Maybe I'll put the motion wrong.

9:12

So move to close the floor to nominations.

9:15

Is that what we're what we need to do?

9:17

Sounds good.

9:17

Do we need a motion to close the floor for nominations?

9:19

That we keep it clean as well.

9:21

Okay, well, I'll move to close the floor for nominations for chair.

9:24

All right.

9:24

I'll second.

9:27

So nominations for chair have been closed.

9:29

Don't you want to make a campaign speech or something like that?

9:32

This is we're open to discussion now.

9:34

So you can like rip it, you know, give us one.

9:39

Uh uh campaign speech.

9:40

I'll save that up for the next next time.

9:42

Okay.

9:43

Um let's go ahead then.

9:46

Um what we have is we've closed the nominations for chair.

9:51

We are moving, we have a uh motion on the floor to nominate Thomas Grastey and sit spin second, and we're gonna vote on that now.

10:00

So Taz, if you can call the roll.

10:07

Ms.

10:08

Miller?

10:08

Yes.

10:09

Mr.

10:09

Weiner?

10:10

Yes.

10:11

Mr.

10:11

Nam?

10:12

Yes.

10:12

Mr.

10:12

Bartow?

10:13

Yes.

10:14

Dr.

10:14

Wortman?

10:15

Aye.

10:16

Mr.

10:16

Grastey.

10:18

I suppose I should refuse.

10:20

No.

10:21

No, you need to vote.

10:22

We need the votes to pass this aye.

10:24

Thank you very much.

10:26

Can't be having a recount here.

10:31

All right.

10:33

So with yeah, this is not my best moment as chair this evening.

10:38

My apologies.

10:41

So we have uh I guess we I'm gonna be the chair moving forward.

10:46

Thank you all very much.

10:48

Thank you.

10:49

Thank you.

10:51

Thank you.

10:52

Now we have another election to resolve ourselves with here.

10:57

Let's see if we can do this a little bit better.

10:59

If I can do this a little bit better the second time.

11:03

I'd like to go ahead and uh open up the floor for nominations for uh vice chair.

11:11

Um do we have an any nominations for that position?

11:23

I'd then like to make a nomination.

11:25

Um I would like to nominate Dr.

11:28

Wartman to be vice chair for a second term, second.

11:37

We have a second.

11:40

Uh following our procedure from the last vote.

11:43

Uh is there a motion to close I'm or would we have like to have discussion?

11:49

Would we like to have another nomination?

11:51

I move to close nominations for vice chair.

11:53

Second.

11:54

Good discussion.

11:57

All right, Mr.

11:59

Lagou, am I eligible?

12:02

How's my term?

12:05

Um so officers can serve two consecutive terms in in a particular seat.

12:11

Great.

12:11

Um and so having only served one term, um, you would be eligible for another term.

12:17

All right, and my place on the board.

12:20

Your place on the board is is fine.

12:22

Okay, yeah.

12:22

All right, thank you.

12:26

Do we want to have any more discussion on this?

12:30

Are we ready to go ahead and call a uh a roll?

12:32

A vote?

12:34

Good.

12:35

Taz.

12:37

Ms.

12:37

Miller?

12:38

Aye.

12:39

Mr.

12:39

Weiner.

12:40

Aye.

12:40

Mr.

12:40

Nam?

12:41

Aye.

12:42

Mr.

12:42

Bartow?

12:43

Aye.

12:44

Dr.

12:44

Wortman?

12:45

Aye.

12:45

Mr.

12:46

Grastey.

12:47

Aye.

12:48

Reluctantly.

12:49

All right.

12:50

Uh let's give Dr.

12:52

Wortman a nice round of applause for his past service and future service.

12:58

Um is there any more outstanding business here before the board this evening?

13:04

No.

13:06

Well, if that's the case, then without any further objections, uh it's the chair's prerogative that we officially adjourn the meeting, and we'll see everyone next month.

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Summary of Proceedings

Chapel Hill Board of Adjustment Meeting - October 2, 2025

The Town of Chapel Hill Board of Adjustment met on Thursday, October 2, 2025, at 6:30 PM in Council Chamber RM 110 at Town Hall. Chair Thomas Grasty presided, with staff member Taz LeGu and attorney James Baker present. Six members were present (Judith Miller, Joseph Weiner, David Nahm, James Bartow, Thomas Wortman, and Thomas Grasty), constituting a quorum. Members BJ Warshaw, Allan Fishkin, and Emilio Garza were absent. The board approved the agenda, approved the September 4, 2025 meeting minutes with an amendment, approved an order granting an after-the-fact dimensional variance for 105 Timberlyne Court, and elected officers for the coming year.

Approval of Agenda

  • The agenda was approved unanimously (6-0) without amendment.

Approval of Minutes

  • The draft minutes from the September 4, 2025, meeting were approved unanimously (6-0) after a notation was added to change David Nahm's vote record from "I" to "recuse" to reflect his recusal on the variance matter.

Old Business: Approval of Variance Order for 105 Timberlyne Court

  • The board considered approval of the written order granting the after-the-fact dimensional variance for 105 Timberlyne Court, previously voted 5-1 to grant at the September 4 meeting. The order was approved unanimously (5-0) with David Nahm recusing himself, as consistent with the prior vote. Staff clarified that the board was voting to adopt the decision, not rehearing the variance.

New Business: Officer Elections

  • Chair: Thomas Grasty was nominated for a second consecutive one-year term. Nominations were closed, and he was elected unanimously (6-0).
  • Vice Chair: Thomas Wortman was nominated for a second consecutive one-year term. After confirming eligibility (two-term limit), nominations were closed, and he was elected unanimously (6-0).

Key Outcomes

  • The board approved the September 4, 2025, meeting minutes with a notation correcting David Nahm's vote record.
  • The board adopted the order granting the after-the-fact dimensional variance for 105 Timberlyne Court (5-0-1).
  • Thomas Grasty was re-elected as Chair for a one-year term.
  • Thomas Wortman was re-elected as Vice Chair for a one-year term.
  • The meeting adjourned at approximately 6:50 PM. The next meeting is scheduled for November 6, 2025.

Meeting Transcript

Uh good evening and welcome to the October 2nd meeting of the Town of Chapel Hill Board of Adjustment. It's now 6 30. So the meeting will come to order. Mr. Taz Legou is serving as staff to the board this evening, and the board's attorney is Mr. James Baker. Mr. LeGu, would you please call the roll? Ms. Miller? Mr. Warshaw. Mr. Weiner? Here. Mr. Nam. Here. Mr. Fishkin. Mr. Bartow. Here. Mr. Garza. Mr. Wortman. Present. Mr. Grasty. Present. So with uh with six members, I would like to declare a quorum exists for conduct of tonight's business. The first item on the agenda is the approval of tonight's agenda. The agenda was mailed to everyone on Tuesday, September 30th. Now, before if I ask, before I ask if there are any objections to the amendments to the agenda, I did want to point out that I'm sure many of you who have looked at this agenda have noticed that the variants for 105 Timberland did in fact pass at our last meeting. So if there's any confusion when you look at the meeting notes from last meeting or the agenda from tonight, that is uh indeed what it has occurred. So with that statement, does anyone have any other questions or amendments to tonight's uh agenda move to approve the agenda? We have a motion to approve second, and we have a second. Um you please call the uh roll Ms. Miller. Approved, Mr. Weiner? Approved. Mr. Nam. Approve. Mr. Bartel. Approve. Dr.

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