Welcome to uh this meeting of the Planning Design Commission of the Town of Chapel Hill.

Um I'd like to uh call the meeting to order and ask for uh for a roll call.

Uh Corey, over to you for the roll call.

Okay, sure.

I'll I'll go off um who I see on screen, uh Patrick Brennan.

Uh I guess folks could call out here, make sure got someone at the desk.

Um Andrews.

Yeah, Kim.

Here.

Anne.

Uh we've got oh sorry, John Biggs here.

All right.

Uh Annie Uman.

Present.

All right.

I see Heather's on now as well.

Yeah, sorry guys, it's been a busy day.

I am just getting started.

I was I was filling in on the interim basis for you.

Uh call on roll, but we'll turn it back over to you.

Awesome.

Okay.

Thanks so much.

So we've got everybody.

Who's gonna be here is here?

Uh I hadn't seen Kelsey, and I wasn't sure.

I can't.

I think she's she is uh I think she's gonna be out for the next couple weeks, but I think we have a I think we have at a quorum at the very least.

Yeah.

Yeah, we only had to have four.

A quorum has been established, madam chairwoman.

Great.

All right.

Well, can we move on to approval of the agenda?

Yes, I I make a motion to approve the agenda for this week, month's meeting.

Awesome.

Do I have a second?

I second it.

Aye.

Great.

We have a vote.

Um if you guys can just show your hands, that would be awesome.

Uh just do your raise hand or if you're on camera.

All right.

Patrick, are you a yay or nay?

I'm a yay.

Okay.

Then we are good to go.

It passes.

Uh any announcements.

I see none here, none.

Um did everybody get a chance to approve the um February minutes.

Or has everybody had a chance to read minutes?

Yes.

I didn't yet.

I can approve it.

Are there any questions that need to be addressed?

Not from a high end.

Okay.

I make a motion to approve the February minutes.

Thanks, Patrick.

Can I have a second?

That's that.

Okay.

Um, can you raise your hand if you are in favor of approval?

Okay.

Uh motion carries.

And um the consent agenda.

Does anybody have any questions?

No.

Um, can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

I make motion to approve consent agenda.

Thank you, Kim.

Do I have a second?

I second Kim's motion.

Thanks, Patrick.

Okay, let's have a vote.

Raise your hand if you approve.

Aye.

John.

Yep.

Okay, motion carries.

Next.

Um, do you have anything that you want to present?

So we're gonna do business for two of South Estes.

Um nothing to present, but I'll just set the stage um for inviting the applicant.

Um to share more information.

Uh 201 South Esther says the U Place uh old University Mall property.

Um building elevations change also includes some site lighting.

Uh in support of a tenant upfit for space at the existing mall building.

And do we have someone looking at who's on the call, not sure we'd be presenting on this, but um well, real quick.

Um commissioners that are here.

Did you guys have a chance to take a look at the attachments that were on the uh meeting agenda?

Yes, yes, yes.

No, yeah.

Okay.

Kim, you have a question or oh, just you are I gotcha.

I gotcha.

Um Corey, if the candidates not here.

Um do we want to take a moment to just run through those attachments?

Sure.

I've got um share the set um and actually I might have I tried to download everything, but awesome.

Okay, you got it.

Okay, yeah.

This is the elevation attachment, which um does include this site plan sheet.

Well, I thought so.

Maybe that's separate.

Yeah, except at the top.

So I think if you can just um get the group so we know where it is in university place.

And then we'll look at the elevations that they sent.

Okay, yeah.

So this uh gray block is the existing mall building.

Uh we're looking on the north side, kind of opposite the Harris Teeter uh for where um proposed elevation changes are.

Um this set includes some renderings, um the locates of where we're looking from after the renderings are um the straight on elevation views, but that means and there is this loading space um kind of working around.

So um I think that's what you're seeing here at the trucks, and then there's like a side elevation here, which um I think is looking at one side or the other of this little uh cutout for loading.

Um but the main view of um what people see uh looking towards the mall building is here at the bottom.

Are there any other stores there that have um that have um a truck loading area in the front?

I'm not sure about that.

Um it does appear to be an existing feature.

Oh, okay.

At least as shown here.

Um or if if if they are uh gonna accompany that with any um site plan changes um to expand or enhance the loading here, um that would go through staff uh to uh evaluate against any um loading space design standards.

Or it's my understanding that that loading doc is an existing building feature.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, I was just there at Silver Spot and did a drive around.

Okay.

Um the old this is the old uh planet fitness location for those who do that.

Um so we're looking at the elevation, and then you said site lighting.

Yeah, uh go to that here, lighting cut.

I guess my question is where is this site lighting going?

Because I didn't see a lighting plan.

Okay.

Um see what we can gather from this in terms of you know, they appear to be some kind of like bollard or accent lighting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think the question is is where where are they gonna be?

Yeah specifically.

Yeah.

Because the the only in the package of drawings, I think it was in the elevation set.

It shows the location of the store and that there's uh um maybe it was in the renderings that I saw they had like the landscaped area in front.

Okay, we can see some um textures here that matches cut sheets.

Okay.

I'm gonna start with a question to the commissioners.

Do we feel like we have enough information that we can um review and make a decision on this?

Or do we want to punt this when we can have the developer come and talk to us?

Do we have any like big questions that we can't answer?

Um there to be a pretty information.

I do um does anybody else have uh differ from Patrick?

Please uh be voiced up, use your voice.

I don't have any major questions.

I guess you know, I guess I would have a question about maybe plant types or whether the light fixtures are in line with uh what exists exist existing there at the mall, or whether there are any standards for the mall, whether they have whether the mall has design standards.

Um other than that, I don't I don't really have any questions.

No.

Okay.

So John, they've already gone through, so we're not looking at the um site plans.

We're just looking at the elevations and that they're changing out the lighting.

So I think it would be really if we want to have a further discussion like on the signage or the elevations of the material change, or if we have issue with the lighting fixtures that they've chosen.

Is that correct, Corey?

Yeah, yeah, looking particularly at elevations and the um light fixtures are the uh subject matter for this review.

I don't have concerns about the elevations to be honest.

Umnie, do you have I want to make sure I give you time too?

You're on a different screen for me, so I'm scrolling through to see who's here.

Yes, I just entered my house 10 seconds ago.

Um but I I don't have any further questions.

I think I'm I guess at the risk of um sounding like I don't know what I'm doing.

I would love to know how elevations play into aesthetics and community design.

Like I guess I'm not really sure what I should look at when it comes to an elevation set.

From my experience, university place has like gone through this commission multiple times.

And so like the big review happened quite a while back.

Now they're getting tenants that are coming in, so there are some minor changes that are happening, and that's gonna come that's coming back in front of the commission.

So like last year we had two or three units, Corey, that were out closer to Fordham.

And there was a lot more going on with that because um it had been under development, and there was a change from going from um, I think it was offices to more retail space, if I remember correctly.

So this one is really like it is gone through the wash once, maybe twice.

And so um what we have asked for in the past is to understand the context and by them throwing the 3D um images in that gives us a little bit more context.

So the developers actually been listening to the commission, which is wonderful.

So here it's you're we're looking at the elevation, and is that um kind of is that within the context of this development, and does that is it kind of still holding together?

um images and that gives us a little bit more context so the developer's actually been listening to the commission which is wonderful so here it's you're we're looking at the elevation and is that um kind of is that within the context of this development and does that is it kind of still holding together and um uh and then with the lighting usually with the lighting we're looking at what is uh where are they located what are they lighting lighting and again is this kind of appropriate with what we're seeing around university place so um Corey do you have anything to add or uh if I miss something um I'll just mention that there are uh design standards for you place um included in the packet um we we've uh suggested for the commission that the section two overall design goals is a good reference for y'all's review the um more detailed standards throughout that document uh one getting into some things like streetscape and uh that staff are reviewing um and also I think there's a lot that's um written to only be applicable to new buildings and and here we're looking at the existing wall buildings so um I think like the design goals bear out um if there's anything around architectural character um sense of human scale fostering unique sense of place promoting interests on all sides that are viewed um preventing glare and light pollution with light sources um innovative new design that draws upon regional design tradition so thinking about what you're seeing in the context of those principles okay do we have go ahead I was gonna say I was gonna propose a motion to approve the um lighting cut sheets and the elevation set based on the university place design standards that I read that were attached I think that it falls in place with what's appropriate I would agree do we have a second to this motion I my second campus motion this is Patrick.

Okay so for this one I'm gonna go down the line for you guys to vote uh yay or nay um and Kim I'm gonna start with you um John Patrick Annie yay and I am also a yay so this passes and that's all the business that we have for today um can I have a motion to adjourn motion to make a motion no second John's motion perfect uh you guys can put up your hands if for approval and uh we are um unanimous motion carries and we are done see y'all next month thank you thank you