I'm Heather Washburn, the chair of the community design commission.

I'm calling this meeting to order.

It's 5 32.

And I will start with roll call.

Patrick Brennan.

Present.

John Biggs.

Here.

Jim Farron.

Present.

Kim, we know was going to be out.

I am not seeing Kelsey Brinkley or Annie.

And again, I'm Heather Washburn and I am here.

Okay.

I would like to move on to the approval of agenda.

But I wanted to ask if uh my fellow fellow commissioners.

I was looking at our agenda, and I'd like to move Hillmont development up to the consent agenda.

Um if everybody else has approves of that.

If you don't approve, can you voice your opinion?

And then can I get a motion to move it to the consent agenda?

I make a motion to move the Hillmont development to the consent agenda.

Do I have a second?

Uh second.

Second from John.

Um, and then uh hey, there's Annie.

Annie, we were just voting, we're just getting ready to vote to move the Hill Um Hillmont development to the consent agenda.

It's just been seconded.

And if you approve, can you use your little hand sign?

Raise your hand in approval for your real hand.

I got one, two, three.

John, what say you?

Um I'm uh confirm.

Okay.

Sorry, I was trying to get trying to find the hand in here.

Oh, I see, and there it is.

No worries.

Um Annie seems to be having some issues with audio, but with four approvals, we can uh it passes.

So Hillmont Development will move to the consent agenda.

And um with not everybody here.

Um I'd like to add to next month's meeting a discussion.

Um for who will become the next chair and um uh co-chair.

Does anybody have an issue with that?

No.

I just wanted to formalize it.

I don't know.

Corey, do we need to have a um a vote on that so that we can get it on the agenda for next time or just add it then?

Um we're uh we're aware that next month would be a good time, so I I think we can accommodate that having on the agenda.

Um yeah, we'll just we'll just know it's on the June agenda for a discussion of officer appointments and uh potential for election of officers.

Okay.

All right, so um the only changes then that have been made is that we've moved Helmont up to the consent agenda.

Um can I get a motion for approval of our revised agenda?

I make a motion to approve the revised agenda.

Can I get a second?

I second that agenda.

Annie has seconded it.

It uh raise your hand if you approve.

All five are approved.

It carries.

Let's jump on to are there any announcements.

And um I'll I'll share that.

Um we have some new member appointments.

Um this group took up recommendations of those who had applied, and then it was on the council agenda last week, and town councils appointed Kelly Mills and I won't say the name right, but Rachel Tushabi to uh community design commission seats, um, I believe to with terms starting July 1st based on um open seats uh to come from.

Okay.

We look forward to welcoming them.

Yeah, yeah, and and staff will do will be reaching out to confirm with them, get us of office, do some onboarding, so they'll hopefully be ready.

Um by them.

So I I know that April minutes were still in process um uh as of tonight, so we've got that in mind to um do some extra approvals of minutes uh hopefully on the next agenda.

Okay.

Um do we have any petitions?

It doesn't seem like so.

Um so let's move on to the consent agenda.

Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

Uh Heather, I make a motion to approve the consent agenda.

Can I have a second?

I seconded it.

Tim Fairn has seconded.

Um all those that are approved, can you please raise your hand?

Okay, motion carries.

All right.

Uh we are ready for new business.

Um West Rosemary Hotel.

Um I'll provide a brief um introduction.

Um the West Rosemary Hotel uh that's on your agenda tonight.

Um is at the corner of Rosemary and Columbia Street.

Um in downtown Chapel Hill.

Uh the site kind of frames the uh parcel that contains historic town hall, so it's at that corner.

Um for folks keeping track or who have kept up with with pass working the commission.

This project has come before you in the past um with the review of the building elevations.

Um the Africa has made some modifications.

I'll talk to you about um the project is still in the process of getting uh zoning permits from the town.

Um so as you may be familiar from seeing the site, um this project has yet to begin construction, uh, even even with it being reviewed by the spot in the past.

Um, and it did come through uh town council a few years ago for a conditional zoning approval.

Um so kind of the scale of the building, use of hotel at the site is is approved by council.

Um and tonight's opportunity considered um the new version of the building elevations um provide um comments and feedback on what the applicant presents with those.

Dan, I'm gonna turn it over to you.

Thanks, Corey.

Hey everybody, good to see you.

I'm Dan Jewell with uh Thomas and Hutton.

We've been uh with with us here tonight.

Also is uh Gail Wallace with Clarendon Properties.

Um she's one of the members of the owner's group, and she and I have been working together for what, Gail, six or seven years maybe now.

I think it was pre-COVID, maybe on uh moving this project along.

So we're we're happy to get here now because uh we think we are here.

Uh we uh we made some um changes to the building in the pursuit of getting more guest rooms, primarily and those have rippled through to the building elevations, which I will share in a moment.

Uh we were also able to get rid of one level of the parking, I believe.

Uh, and I think we've been working with the town uh to provide work on other parking spaces since since the project was originally approved.

The amazing rosemary parking deck has been completed.

Uh, and as we all know, that's a two-minute walk down the street.

And the 20 or 30 times I've parked in that parking deck now at all hours of the day.

I've never had to go above the first floor to park in it.

So um, I think that that's probably a good arrangement for the town that they uh they've been able to work that out.

And not, you know, having more parking on site has always been a goal.

Um so with that, if I can just uh share really quickly.

Um see application window.

All right.

Are you all able to see my screen?

Okay, great.

So what I am going to uh do is try and flip back and forth between the um original building elevations that the CDC reviewed back five years ago or so, and the uh uh the the modest changes that have rippled through based on the interior layout.

Um we uh we did not change the massing of the building or anything like that.

That was uh we spent a lot of time working that out with uh Brian Peterson and the staff and council members where the building steps down toward adjacent neighborhoods and that sort of thing.

So that all remains the same.

Basically, it's a it's a matter of where do we have penetration in terms of windows and just a little bit of uh changes to the uh um uh the way the brick is uh is broken up, things of that nature.

So just to start the north elevation uh is the one that faces the neighborhood north of uh the uh the proposed site.

The original elevation you can see had a combination of uh a couple of different uh brick colors, and this level was parking, which is why that's so open.

We needed you know, airflow to get through that sort of thing, and also we had a lower level parking.

Uh the south elevation is the elevation that phases West Rosemary Street.

Uh, and just for reference, this building is the old historic town hall that sits at the site right now uh at the corner.

We spent a lot of time working with the town on that.

Um, this is the mass of the building that recedes back, and you can see the original elevation had parking here, a parking level here as well with an entrance.

So that was all uh grilled for airflow, and then this mass comes out to West Rosemary Street to address the street.

If I go to the new elevation, if I can get down to it, there we go.

So here now we have that new proposed north elevation.

Uh it's very subtle, but you can see we actually have uh introduced some um maybe like a third brick element in there to further break up that that uh look of the building, and whereas this level was at one time parking, it is now some guest rooms and amenities for the guest fitness center, things of that nature, a little little back of the house.

Um, I'm gonna go back to the original elevation and jump around so I compare apples to apples on the elevations.

Um this is the original west elevation of the wall.

So again, this would face over toward the uh I guess the AC hotel, sort of that side of the building.

And you can see what we did is we created the actual uh entrance, uh drive-up entrance to the building on the west wall because at one time we had parking in the courtyard in the middle, but we've eliminated that.

So, you know, this was the uh the entrance element there, and uh what that looked like in terms of of the total mass of the building addressed from the street.

Again, an iconic element and a couple different colors of brick.

The new west elevation.

There you go.

Um, you can see we've uh it's the massing is the same.

We've introduced again a third brick color in there to uh again break up that mass a little bit, but again, we have that uh Ike what we call the branding elevation all in the same location.

Uh, and the color of the brick here changed just a little bit.

If I go back now to the um next elevation, which was the south.

Again, I described that a minute ago on the original elevation.

The new elevation uh now has that parking level has been eliminated.

So again, there's guest rooms in here, some fitness, that sort of thing.

Uh everything else is generally the same except for that introduction of a brick color, and I think we've strengthened the the base here, this portion of the building that comes out to uh West Rosemary Street, and then finally this is the east elevation.

This is the elevation that faces uh South Columbia slash Martin Luther King Jr.

Boulevard.

So again, this would be the historic town hall to the front.

We work carefully to make sure that the brick is complementary to that.

We still have that.

We had that iconic branding element here because this would be uh uh another entrance, but this would be come off of a park that we're actually working with the town to create in the middle here.

And this is the portion that goes over toward Rest Rosemary.

So then if I go over to the new elevation for that.

Oops.

He went right past it.

So we still have that iconic element there in the middle.

And the east elevation again is the same, other than previously, there had been parking behind this wall, but that did not ripple through to the street because we work carefully with uh Brian Peterson to create some, I'll say for lack of a better term, some marquee spaces that face uh Columbia opportunity for uh public art, private art, things of that nature, things a little bit different.

But uh those uh the rest of the elevation remained uh pretty much the same again, other than some minor minor changes in color.

So uh really that is it.

We eliminated a level of parking, gained some restrooms, that changed the fenestration in this area and along this facade as well.

And we've you know been a little more thoughtful about the the final brick colors and things of that nature.

So uh that's what we wanted to present and uh be happy to you know hear your comments and uh and you know pass those along to the the owner and the architect.

Thanks for your time.

Thank you.

Um we'll start with um the commissioners asking questions and go around and then go to uh the public and then come back for comment.

Uh let's start with uh John.

Can we start with you tonight?

Okay.

Uh one question I have uh between the old and the new uh what I see on the screen for the new, I'm not sure if it's represented um if the colors render correctly.

Uh anyway, what I see on the screen for the new, it's the brick color is a much lighter color.

What I saw with the the original drawings, the brick color was very similar to the to the old town hall building.

Is that dip is that changed or was there is there something going on with the with the rendering or no, no, it it it it has changed, and again, you know, these aren't final final colors, but you know, after much thought on these brick colors, and Heather will tell you architect spend more than an hour or two thinking about those.

Um we actually felt that it was maybe more important rather than try and match the color of old town hall to have something complimentary but not the same, so that it stands out as its own special historic building that it is.

So it is different.

Okay, um yeah, so the brick color is different.

Can you um one question I have is can you talk about what design features are you having there that either will on purpose relate to the old building or are intentionally different?

Or I I think with with both anyway, I'll just keep it as a question.

Okay, because that that basically is similar, that same question applies to either the old elevations or the new elevations.

Right, right, right.

Uh I again we didn't we didn't if you can just talk about the process, the thought process.

Well, you know, it it number one brick, brick, brick.

Uh you know, it would be disingenuous to do do something something different there.

Uh but secondarily, if you look at the uh get the shape of the punched window openings, uh we wanted to make sure that those were you know, at least in terms of the ratio, uh, you know, be again uh close to what is in existing town hall, even though it's uh uh uh you know their their larger window openings.

I think those were the two main things, and and again, we uh we worked with Brian Peterson to get this to the point where I think everybody was uh was happy with with what we've ended up here.

Okay, uh thank you.

Mm-hmm.

Um Jen can be able to go next.

Um with the change from uh two story to one story area for the fitness center, Dan.

Yeah.

Reduce the equipment or what what effect did that have on the usable uh exercise things?

I think I think we actually uh increased it.

You know, Gail can confirm that, but I believe we have more than than we did before because remember we we eliminated this whole wing was parking.

Uh so we've taken all the parking on that level and turned it into uh finished uh conditioned space, added more guest rooms, but we've also been able to provide a little more space for amenities like you know, fitness center, um some lounge area, things like that.

And if if I can add that that is correct, actually, the fitness center originally was up up on the fifth floor, um alongside some of our guest rooms.

And so our choice was to bring it down to the first floor, which is more public space, um, which allowed us to have a little larger fitness center, and that offered us the ability to add some additional guest rooms upstairs on the fifth floor.

Yeah, one other thing, I don't know, relative to the design, but I researching the history of this building, it started in 2021.

What took five years?

Well, um honestly the cost of construction um has has taken us to this stage, which uh presented an opportunity for us to go through some minor redesign.

Um we have been able to by eliminating one level of parking, that eliminated um an awful lot of concrete in our construction costs.

Um and uh offered us the ability again to bring some of the amenities that were up on the uh fifth floor down to the first floor, offered us um an opportunity to add some additional guest rooms.

So we're we've gone through um a redesign and um and have landed here, which um has made this project a lot more palatable for financing um and for equity infusion.

It allows us to build it.

Thank you.

Yes, uh Annie.

Yeah, thank you for the presentation.

Um my question was the same as John's, just inquiring about the difference in brick.

Okay.

It's it's very similar.

Um honestly, uh, you know, slightly lighter, um, but very similar to to where it was originally.

I do think you know the rendering reads a little bit lighter than than what it will actually be.

Um, but uh the brick color um certainly will blend with architecture and the other buildings that are um in the area.

Right, thank you.

Okay, Patrick.

Thanks, Madam Chair.

Um thanks for this presentation.

Um what is the material on the third level?

Up in here.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

See, I could Gail, do you recall I can zoom in on the um it's brick.

It's brick.

Um all of well, I'm using my cursors if you could see it, I'm sorry.

Um the only level that is a different material, which is more of a a panel um versus brick, but it's still a masonry product um is up on the fifth floor.

Got it.

And is and is the reason to do that is to give the the building depth.

Is that the reason for a different that's absolutely right.

Years ago, when um when we went through city council and went through um our original uh CDC um presentations, it was desired that the fifth floor um not be so um I don't know, visual, I guess, and that it almost went away.

Um that's why it steps back in a number of different places, um, actually three different places, the fifth floor steps back um again to to help reduce the massing a little bit, and then the material and the color just to uh visually give you an appearance that it's not um I think with the the uh the reddish color brick or the um lighter color brick that that would be a a lot more visible.

Got it.

Thank you so much.

And just uh if I could ask you this question, um, and this is just really for our own education.

I know that you've served on a number of boards and commissions yourself, including here in Chapel Hill and Carberro.

I know that you've served on a number of boards and commissions yourself, including here in Chapel Hill and Carberro, but one of the things we deal with is sort of new buildings in the context of old buildings.

How do you think about that from a design standpoint?

And and how would you encourage us to think about that?

Well, that's a I'm not an architect, I'm a landscape architect, but I drink beer with a lot of architects, so I'll tell you what it's uh the but the context is always important, you know, particularly a s a site like this, which is um, you know, as I understand it is not in a historic district, it's close to a historic district.

Um it is, I believe, in the um West Rosemary overlay area, and if you remember that study was done uh six or seven years ago, but I know in this case uh the the directions from Gail and her partners to this architect uh from day one were to make this building complementary to the other things in in Chapel Hill, particularly on uh Rosemary Street.

You know, if if if they had been building this building in many other locations, uh I know they wouldn't have used as much brick because brick is more expensive.

Uh I know they wouldn't have um done the uh window openings the way they they did because more punched window openings rather than bigger windows is is more expensive, and uh you know, and and we we worked with Brian Peterson closely on the the massing of the building, which is expensive anytime you you know put a put a notch in a building, you know, vertically or horizontally, you're adding cost to it.

So um I think uh you know the Gail, I I think John John said from day one, this will be the most expensive hotel your group has ever built.

So that is still true, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

And if I can add, um, it's been on purpose not to try and match the historic town hall.

Um, because if you miss, you really miss.

Um, and so that was that was on purpose for us to complement but not mimic what is existing.

That's really helpful.

Well, Dan, thank you for that perspective.

I was taking notes as you were describing it, and and Gail, thanks for your thoughtful approach.

No more questions for me, Heather.

Okay.

Great question, though.

I just have a a few questions.

Um is it written on here somewhere about these potential art mural or art uh public art opportunities?

That was a that was one of the uh conditions stipulations of the um uh conditional zoning approval.

The 187 conditions or whatever that we agree to it's not coming across in the presentation.

Um I read your white uh squares as uh loading um for like semi-trucks coming in.

Um and then what are the little red and like a stone from sorry Dan?

Can you repeat?

I think I think he froze.

Um I I I can explain those what might look like a loading dock um or loading doors.

Uh those are actually those the so first and foremost, the uh go ahead, Dan.

Can you hear me?

Can you hear me now?

Yeah.

You gotta get the squirrels off the line.

Yeah, I'm having some bandwidth issues, but if you can hear me, no, the uh the squares are not loading docks.

Um they are above the street, and DOT would not want us to back a truck out of uh Columbia Street into there.

The loading is on the back.

Um those uh the red things, yeah.

The red things, if you can hear me are uh Gail, I believe those are louvers.

Or air handling.

That's that's correct.

And are they metal?

They they are metal.

Um they'll be painted to um to blend with the existing brick um or any other type of material that is there, but yes, they're metal.

Okay.

They're they're um part of the uh HVAC system in the guest rooms.

Um I imagine that the brown ones are to go with the brown brick.

Correct.

Correct.

Yeah, yeah.

They read again in this in this rendering, they read a little bit redder.

We don't want them to stand out, we want them to go away.

And then I'm also seeing a darker banding.

Is that another color of brick or is that shadow?

What's happening there?

It's shadow, it's shadow, and it is um it's a shoulder course, excuse me, a soldier course, so it will stick out from the building a little bit.

So you've got some definition.

Soldier course.

All right.

Um and then what is the material that is on the main entries um from uh Columbia MLK and then on Rosemary where it has element.

Is that looks like a different material than your top floor material?

It is.

It's it's a metallic coating.

Um, and it uh again it it reads more of a bronze color.

Um, and uh, but it's a it's a metallic coating.

But it's not real, it's not real shiny.

So that a lot of reflection.

Um, and then out of curiosity, what are the park elements?

Um Dana mentioned that you guys are working uh with the town on park.

And right now I don't see trees or vegetation or stuff, so I was curious as to how that's gonna weave itself in.

Let me see if I can pull that plan up.

Hold on a second.

Um I think I'm not sure if we have I think we have a planting plan in here.

There you go.

Let me zoom in a little bit.

That's really helpful.

Thank you.

This is a Wendy Ram Ramsden design, just to let you know.

So no doubt.

So here it is.

Excuse me.

Uh the original design, we actually had a drive-thru loop in here.

But it just got so crowded.

We moved the entrance to the west side.

And so this is um, you know, other than um Gail, I don't even think we have this driveway in here anymore, do we?

No, that's correct.

Just uh the driveway only goes to where the parking spaces are available for the town hall.

Um, and then the the rest of the drive.

We'll have we'll have a few parking spaces um right there for valet parking.

Um, you know, or valet drop-off.

I don't want to call it parking, valet drop-off.

But uh, but yeah, the the park there, um, we will build that for the the town, and then the town will um have it as as one of your city amenities.

Okay.

That's all my questions.

Um let's open it up for public questions and comments.

Uh so small audience currently, but I'll invite anyone who um uh anyone to use the raise hand feature uh if you'd like to be called in to make any comment on this item.

And I'm not seeing any hands raised.

Okay.

Uh we will go back through and get comments from my fellow commissioners and in with myself.

Um Annie, why don't we start with comments from you?

Sure.

Umdated, and this is probably just the difference in rendering, but I felt like within the building itself, not just in compatibility with the old town hall, but just within the building itself.

Um I just personally preferred the the coloring of the metallic and the the brick.

Um I just think that the original rendering, um, like the newer lighter color, I personally don't find to be so uh I guess visually compatible with the proposed metal siding and such.

Um but that's my my main comment.

I don't think that's a reason for me to personally not support this.

All right.

Um Jim, would you like to comment next?

I think they've been working five years on this project.

I'm sure they would be excited to get it moving forward, and I think it helps improve the area.

I think it's part of it too.

So move forward.

Um yeah, my my main comment is that I think in both the original and in the new the the new building reads very generically to me.

Um whereas the original building has a lot of detail in it.

I don't really find any of that that level of detail in the new building.

Um and there's not a lot of ornament per se in the original building, but for example, there's a cornice, there's dentals, there's there's different features in the original building, there's maybe up toward one of the sides there's there's some work in the brickwork.

I don't really find that in the the new building.

Are you speaking about the courthouse when you're talking about the original building?

Or are you talking about the old building?

Okay, okay.

The old building has some level of detail in it that is from that era of buildings, and in either the original or the new elevations of the new building, I don't I that those that reads fairly relatively generically to me.

The the level of detail in it seems kind of generic.

I don't you have some design features, like for example, the the new entryway that you've put into the new elevation, you know, you have some design features, but overall I don't see the the same a compatible level of detail.

Um can you go to your landscape drawing again?

I just have a suggestion for you.

So one thing that you could do to kind of break this up, and I think it would improve your design, is in the elevation that's across the park from the from the old building.

If you just took the first and set like first and second floor of the elevation and introduce some kind of a a lintel or a cornice or something that a band that basically ties together with the original building, and just try to make the brick compatible and introduce some details, that that's gonna be a much more human scale um element in the building, and I think it'll tie together a lot better with the old building.

The one issue I see with your design is that you've got uh whatever it is, five-story building with very generic detailing right across this park from a building with a lot of detail, much more human-scale type of details.

So I think if you did something like that, and that could simply be in the the zone here, uh, between it looks like nine-47, nine-a-7 down to the corner of the building, and maybe something similar on a portion of the the elevation toward the north.

Um that I think that would be a much that would introduce a really interesting design element that I think is missing in your design.

Okay, appreciate those comments.

Uh Patrick.

No comments from me.

I appreciate the thoughtfulness of this design, and sorry it's taking so long.

Okay, so it's back to me.

Um can you go to your elevation stand?

Let me know which ones.

This is north and south.

Yeah, this is fine.

Um, so the comments that I have is that the previous iteration had um a nice um breakdown of um colors of the brick.

Right now, this is reading before it helped to break down the massing.

And now the way that their renderings are coming across and uh in this is that is actually coming across more massive.

The top still doing what um you guys were saying that you were wanting it to do.

And I do see what um uh John is saying with like in this um south elevation the um kind of the tote beige part is you're making that more prominent.

Um I can see where you're trying to with the um windows, you're pulling um that element, but I'd look at the courthouse and uh the windows are very strong against a uh darker background.

I don't think that you need to um where I disagree is that I don't think that this building needs to become a historic hotel that is pulling language directly from the courthouse, but I do think if you want to play well with each other, those lines of where the uh windows are or where that top corners is, those could totally be pulled.

And um, and there would be a comfort in that.

I also agree with John, and that when you have banding or um an awning that's at a lower level that makes that area more human-scaled, that could also be brought into your park, um, so that that becomes a communal space over there, which um we need more of that on Rosemary Street, and you know, when we have games and celebrations that would encourage people to gather.

Now, maybe you don't want that, I don't know.

That's for you guys to determine, not me.

Um, but I I don't feel like this is in any way needs to hold you guys back.

I would just like you to take these comments and fold them in as you continue to develop the elevations and uh the plans.

I love that you're reducing the parking.

We need more places to stay.

So, you know, I I feel you're headed in the right direction.

Um, I just think some fine-tuning would be great.

Thank you.

Um can I get a motion of do we I feel like from the comments that none of us feel like this is something that um has like any dire issues?

I think that we could totally make a motion to um moot approve with them fine-tuning their elevations, looking at massing, um, and that's pretty like if they can pull some details from the courthouse that that would be a great addition.

Let me attempt to make that motion then um I make the motion that we approve this project and ask the owners and developers and architects for their continued consideration of the comments that have made been been made here this evening, which I feel they will do because of their their local and they've shown a tremendous commitment to the community already.

Awesome.

Uh can each person go down the line, and if you approve, say you approve.

If you abstain, say you abstain.

If you don't like it, say no.

Okay.

Uh Annie.

I approve.

Jim.

I approve.

John.

Approve.

Patrick.

Approve.

And I approve.

So I unanimous.

We approve motion carries.

Let's move on.

Thank you.

Enjoy the rest of your meeting, and thank you all for serving on the CDC.

Yes, thank you.

All right, see you next time.

Bye.

Bye.

Have a good night.

Yep.

Okay.

That's all the business that we have, folks.

Uh all right.

Cheers all.

Nice discussion.

That was good.

So it looks like our next meeting is June 23rd.

I believe.

Okay.

All right.

Um I might be um doing that remotely from Connecticut.

We got some family stuff going on up there.

Um, all good, all good.

Just it's it's that time of year.

Is it planting time?

Is it that's where your farm is, right?

Uh we do have a farm, and um it's uh we're we're looking at trees, uh, apple trees and such.

So um protect them from the deer, protect them from the deer, my only advice.

Yeah, I mean, planted a field of apple trees before on a farm.

You gotta look out for the deer.

We're we're trying to replace ones that we've lost in the last two windstorms up there.

time is that's where your farm is right uh we do have a farm and um it's uh but we're we're looking at trees uh apple trees and such so um protect them from the deer protect them from the deer my only advice yeah having planted a field of apple trees before on a farm you gotta look out for the deer we're we're trying to replace ones that we've lost in the last two windstorms up there so um we're not gonna be planting them right now but we are trying to make sure that we're prepared for them uh for next spring is what's gonna happen this is a uh orchard farm yeah I have a farm in Connecticut that's been in our family for 300 years and so this summer uh July we are gonna open up the farm to the public to tell stories of what happened um so it's it has been running since 1735 the town was established in 1726 um so there's a lot of history there's all right y'all we'll see you in June I've got a screaming baby in the background so I'm gonna go attend to that no worries this meeting is adjourned and we will see you everyone in June thank you thank you everyone thank you everyone