We will begin with introductions and we'll start with the clerk.

Ariel Smith, lead city clerk.

Good evening, everyone.

James Mitchell, City Council at Large.

Allison Craig, Deputy City Manager.

Dante Anderson, Mayor Pro Tem, District 1.

Malcolm Graham, District 2.

Ed Driggs, District 7.

Edwin Peacock, District 6.

Good evening, Lawana Mayfield, and Councilmember at large.

Terry Hagler Gray, Senior Assistant City Attorney.

Excellent.

So we began our meeting with an invitation as an expression and inspiration, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

The invocation by a council member is intended to underscore our proceedings.

We celebrate the religious diversity of our community, including those without a religious faith.

This evening, Councilmember Mitchell will provide our invitation.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tent.

Can we all stand, please?

Oh, wise and gracious father, we thank you for another day, another day of blessing.

We ask that your spirit would continue to guide us and move us and work with our citizens, work with our corporation, work with our staff.

Amen.

Why y'all say name?

So why you say that?

So this evening we have a uh special treat.

Oh, we're gonna let them go.

We have a special treat.

Um, the Boy Scout Troop 8 from St.

Matthew's Catholic Church will come down and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I believe you all have had a tour of the facility.

So come on down and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Be careful.

Be careful.

You can come right around the all the way around.

Right around the ribbon there.

Right here, right in front of us.

So you're facing the flag which is there, right?

And just make sort of a line along the curve here of the dais.

That looks good.

No, you gotta face the flag.

Face the flag here, and if we can have um our leader, who's your leader.

Okay.

And you can start us off and then we'll we'll join in.

One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice.

Awesome.

Good job, guys.

Thank you guys for coming.

Thank you.

Great job.

Thank you all.

Okay.

So um after that wonderful pledge of allegiance, I am gonna go ahead and explain our zoning process.

And our process begins with applications submitted to our uh planning staff for review.

There are two types of um items on the agenda.

We have decisions and we have hearings.

Decisions on cases for which a public hearing was previously held, and there will be no further comment this evening on decisions.

For hearings, anyone wishing to speak is asked to see the clerk right here on the end before the start of that particular hearing.

Staff presentations will have no time limit, and the petitioner, that is the individuals that are in favor of the petition, will get three minutes combined to present their case unless uh one of two options exists.

One, if there is opposition sign up to speak, or if staff is in opposition, the petitioner will receive 10 minutes.

The uh opponent will receive 10 minutes, and then the petitioner will receive two minutes as a rebuttal.

If no one is opposed or signed up to speak, staff will go ahead with their short presentation, and then the public hearing will be closed and we'll move on to the next one.

The petitions go to our zoning committee of planning commission for review and for recommendation.

And I'm gonna pass it over uh this evening to Vice Chair Melissa Gaston, who will uh introduce her committee.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Good evening.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem and the City Council.

My name is Melissa Gaston, and I'm the vice chair for the zoning committee of the planning commission.

Allow me to introduce my fellow members.

I have here Carolyn Millen, Robin Stewart, uh Aaron Shaw, Teresa McDonald, Michael Capriola, Teresa.

Um sorry.

Um Aaron's not here yet, but she will be here.

And um Douglas Welton is gallivanting around the world.

He is the vice, he's the chair of the planning commission, so he's not here this evening.

The zoning committee will meet on Wednesday, September 6th at 5 30 p.m.

At that meeting, the zoning committee will meet to discuss and rec make recommendations of the petitions that have public hearings tonight.

The public is welcome at the meeting, but please note it is not a continuation of the public hearing that is being held tonight.

Prior to that meeting, you are welcome to contact us to provide input.

You can contact, you can find contact information and information on each petition at the city's website at Charlotte Planning.org.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

And so we would typically go on to our deferrals and withdrawals, but this evening we have no deferrals or withdrawals, which is a rare occasion.

So we will go ahead and move forward with the decision portion of our agenda.

And we begin with the consent agenda items.

Rezoning petition items three and four may be considered in one motion, except for those items pulled by a council member.

Please note that these petitions met the following criteria.

They had no public opposition at the petition hearing.

Staff recommends approval, and the zoning committee recommends approval, and there are no changes after the zoning committee's recommendation.

Are there any consent agenda items council would like to pull for a question or comment or a separate vote?

Okay.

Hearing none, uh is there a motion to approve the following petitions and to adopt the zoning committee's statement of consistency for each of these position petitions as they appear in our agenda as council's own.

All right.

We have agenda item three, petition number 2025 037 and agenda item four.

Petition 25 25 038.

I had a motion.

Second.

There is a second.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you.

Just a item of view on it.

Okay.

Okay.

And um welcome, Miss Ashimeira and Ms.

Ashmira has joined us this evening.

So we will move on to the non-consent agenda decisions.

And we will start with agenda item number five.

Agenda item number five.

Is there a motion to approve uh agenda item number five and adopt the zoning committee's committee statement of consistency as it appears in our agenda and on a screen as council's own?

So second.

All right.

There's a motion and second.

Any discussion?

Mr.

Mitchell.

Uh kudos to Council McGram for getting something accomplished that I could not do in 14 years.

Been a two, been a district two representative.

Uh this has been a long time coming.

Thank you so much for Dream Keys or working with the stakeholders in there.

Um we we had a long run of few councilman with one of the property owners, Paul.

And so finally, I'm glad now we got a partnership and look forward to the new development.

Thank you, Mayor.

I've been to the site a number of times.

Excellent.

Any additional comment?

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item number six.

Is there a motion to approve petition item uh agenda item number six and adopt the zoning committee statement of consistency as it appears in our agenda as council zone?

So move.

We have a motion and a second.

Second.

Okay.

Any comment.

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item number seven.

And agenda item number seven did have some changes after the zoning committees.

Mr.

Pett and I will pass it over to you, sir.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

This petition did have a few changes following the zoning committee recommendation.

They remove or excuse me, resolved outstanding issues regarding uh amenitizing and accessing the open space.

They also committed to a 15-foot-wide class C landscape yard along the western boundary of the site where it abuts uh NS zoning, which is the back side of the uh the shopping center that's just adjacent to this project.

Um both uh changes, staff believes are minor and do not warrant additional review by the zoning committee.

I'm happy to take any questions.

Thank you.

Is there a motion?

Is there a motion that changes should not go back to zoning committee?

So move.

Second.

Excellent.

Any comment?

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Ms.

Molina, uh I'm sorry, Miss Mayfield is in opposition.

Is there a motion to approve uh agenda item number seven and adopt the zoning committee statement of consistency as it appears in our agenda as council's own?

So move.

Second.

Okay, we have a motion and second.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Ms.

Mayfield is in opposition.

We will move on to agenda item number eight, which also has changes after the zoning committee meeting.

Mr.

Patton, please.

Yes, thank you.

Uh 2025 015 by Wilkes Asset Management did uh make some changes as mentioned.

Uh the changes were an increase uh in the number of visitor parking spaces from 10 spaces to 12.

Uh they did prohibit vinyl as a uh siding material for the homes and also modified a driveway on Mount Holly Road per NC DOT requirements.

Uh staff believe the changes are minor and again do not warrant additional review by the zoning committee.

I can take any questions.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to not send back to zoning committee?

So move.

Second.

All right.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, all in favor raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Is there a motion to approve uh agenda item number eight and adopt the zoning committee's statement of consistency as our own?

So move.

Second.

There is a motion and second.

Any discussion?

Mr.

Graham.

Thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tem.

Let me take this opportunity to thank the uh the team, the development team, as well as those that represent the Mountain Island Lake community for really um coming together and collaborating on not only this petition that's in front of us, but also a wide variety of issues related to growth and development in the Mountain Island Lake community.

Um they are very engaged as they should be, um, and they made a lot of um compromise as they should to get this to the finish line.

There were two um points that I wanted to mention.

One in particular was again, we wish we were able to get more home ownership versus uh rental properties through this petition, but we were not able to, and that continues to be a problem for many of the residents in the Mount Island Lake area in terms of preferring home ownership versus rental.

Um saturated with apartments for sure.

Uh and then secondly, uh what continues to be a throwing in on everyone's side uh is uh the the construction, the maintenance, and the upkeep of state-owned roads that um really hamper our ability to apply some smart smart growth practices uh based on um the inability to have any major um discussions uh with the state of North Carolina in reference to road construction and improvement that's in the short term, not in the long term.

There is a plan.

It's it's about 20 years out.

Uh, and that serves no one any good.

Um I'm also concerned, uh, Madam Mayor Pro Tem that as we begin to talk about transit, um certainly certainly after September 10th.

There'll be a lot of talk about transportation and transit for sure.

Uh and the state put some restrictions in reference to the city not supplying our funds now for transportation.

That the state will not will do the same as well, which is to continue to invest and accelate their funding of state-owned roads, certainly in Mount Nano Lake.

I think Steel Creek is another example where they are delaying the renovation or expansion of state-owned roads that's causing bottlenecks.

Those are two fast growing areas of the city.

Certainly we are applying smart growth practices and approving some of these rezonings, such as this one.

But certainly long term.

But I think we really need to have a focused strategy about how we communicate and coordinate with the state of North Carolina in reference to their responsibilities in conjunction to what we're trying to do here locally with our own local dollars.

So I I move for approval.

Thank you, Mr.

Graham.

I agree we have quite a few state-on own roads throughout the entire city that need attention.

So I absolutely agree.

Any additional comment?

Hearing none, we're on agenda item number eight.

All in hearing no additional comment.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Ms.

Mayfield is in opposition.

And we will move on to agenda item number nine.

Is there a motion to approve agenda item number nine?

So move.

Thank you.

And adopt the zoning statement of consistency as our own.

We have a motion and a second.

Any comment.

Hearing none, all in favor raise hands.

Any opposed?

Ms.

Mayfield is in opposition.

And that takes us to agenda item number 10.

Is there a motion to approve agenda item number 10 and adopt the zoning committee committee?

Statement of consistency.

Thank you.

I have a motion and second.

Any comment?

Ms.

Johnson.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim.

I want to piggyback off what Councilmember Graham talked about in working with the state on the state-owned roads.

District 4 has an ordinate amount of state-owned roads.

This is actually in the ETJ.

But I want to speak on this petition specifically.

This petition is going to actually add to traffic improvements.

It's going to extend an internal street network that runs parallel to Mount Holly, Huntersville Road.

So it's going to provide an alternative connection.

This is an improvement over what can be done by right.

The phase three, it's 65 units, I believe, and it's going to be consistent with the phase one and two units or phases of the Oak Lake development.

So I will be supporting this because again, this is an improvement to the area.

It's an improvement over what can be done by right, and that traffic improvement just addresses the challenges that we've been talking about on this road.

So I move to approve.

Thank you.

Any additional comment?

Hearing none, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Ms.

Mayfield is in opposition.

And that takes us to agenda item number 11.

Is there a motion to approve and adopt uh agenda item number 11 as it appears in our agenda?

So move.

Second.

Okay.

Any comments?

Hearing none.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

And that concludes our decision portion for the evening.

We will go ahead and proceed to our hearings.

Mayor Pro Tem?

Yes, sir.

Could I just say to the leaders of our scouts, you're very welcome to stay, but you're also free to leave if you choose to.

We won't take offense.

So you decide.

How long you want to be here?

Yes.

And thank you.

Thank you all for coming out.

That was lovely to have you here this evening.

So we will um begin with agenda item number 12.

It is petition number 2025 027 by Mission City Church and Freedom Community.

The location is approximately 4.77 acres located on Valley Dale Road, north of Somerville Road, and south of Goodman Road in District 2, Mr.

Graham's district.

The current zoning is in 1B and CG.

Proposed zoning is into A C D.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation, environment, site, and building design.

We do have opposition for this one.

So after staff's presentation, we have Mr.

Moore Talbot Staley and Dillard who are for the petition.

You all will have 10 minutes in aggregate.

And then we have Miss Lambins, Miss Bun, as well as Mr.

Jordan, Mr.

Bunn, and uh Miss Harvey.

You all, after they're done, you all will have 10 minutes in aggregate as well.

Okay.

So be ready to come down after their 10 minutes.

Thank you, sir.

Go right ahead.

Right.

Thank you.

Uh petition 2025 027 is located off Valley Dale Road.

Site's approximately 4.76 acres, and it's currently undeveloped.

Site's currently split zoned in 1B, neighborhood 1B, and CG general commercial.

Proposed zoning is into a CD, neighborhood 2 conditional.

The 2040 policy map recommends the neighborhood one place type for this site into a district is inconsistent with the in one place type, and this approval this would rezoning would revise the policy map to the neighborhood two place type.

Proposal calls for the development of up to 43 multifamily attached uh dwelling units or townhomes.

The buildings are limited to no more than four units apiece.

The number of buildings on site is limited to 12, and all units will be housed Charlotte eligible, indeed restricted for a minimum of seven years to ensure affordability.

Following streetscape and landscape improvements are proposed.

Access to the site is proposed from a public street extension of Goodman Road.

The petitioner will convey a 70-foot greenway easement to Mecklenburg County, 20-foot rear yard setback, and a 25-foot class B landscape yard will be provided along all property boundaries abutting the neighborhood one place type.

Open space will be amenitized and will exceed the requirements of the UDO.

A minimum 20 street trees will be provided along the private alleys.

Certain building materials such as corrugated metal siding and plain concrete masonry units are prohibited.

Porches and stoops will be provided for each unit.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon a resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation, environment, and site building design.

As the plan limits building forms to quadruplexes, which is compatible with the neighborhood one place type.

All units will be Howl Charlotte eligible to ensure a degree of affordability.

And the plan dedicates a greenway easement and the site is served by transit.

I'm happy to take any questions following Mr.

Moore's presentation.

Thank you.

Mr.

Moore, you can begin, and if others will speak, just have them uh state their name before they speak.

Thank you.

Yes, ma'am.

Uh good evening.

Mayor Pro Tim Anderson, Council members, zoning committee, and staff.

My name is Eddie Moore with McAdams.

We are representing Pastor Kyle Dillard with Mission City Church.

And also Mark Talbot with Freedom Communities on this rezoning.

And before we get into the site, we'll have both of them get a little bit of background on their on their uh their input as part of this rezoning.

Good evening, folks.

My name is Mark Talbot.

I'm with Freedom Communities, and I'm many of you, and I'm excited about this project for two reasons.

One is after we have the momentum at Duke's Ridge, which some of you are familiar with.

We've had teachers move in, firefighters move in, social workers move in, and this one's gonna be just more of the same.

Uh right in the crosshairs of the Faith and Housing Initiative that you have started and you have pushed.

Uh, we're excited to present this project tonight.

I met Kyle uh several years ago as we've worked in the Freedom Drive corridor, and they had this extra land.

And so what can we do this to with this to help the community?

And through our partnership with True Homes, we're able to bring this together and come to the marketplace at an 80% AMI or less, which is pretty exciting to be able to provide that workforce housing for our community.

We look forward to it.

We look forward, Kyle's going to tell you we're gonna the housing classes, credit classes, encouragement for the process will be done right there from the church that's on the site, and then we can create community right there within the neighborhood.

So we're excited about it.

Think it fits right in the uh in the target of what I think you guys have wanted and what we've seen the community really needs.

So thank you for your consideration.

Uh Kyle Dillard is the pastor of the Mission City Church who owns the land, and he can tell you a little bit more about what they're planning to do.

Yeah, uh, thank you guys uh for allowing me.

I can't see what he's on.

Can't see well for allowing me to be here and partner with you guys.

It's an honor to be here.

It's my first one of these, so that's kind of exciting.

Um, to be here.

Our church Mission City has had this property that we have been praying over for uh many years that God would use it in some way to serve the um the needs of the community around our church.

Uh, mission city over the last uh 10 years has been committed to serving our community in that way.

We started a food pantry during the pandemic.

When we started the food pantry, we had about 145 families that we were serving every single week.

We continue to do that, continue to do that today.

It's entirely led by volunteers in the community, so it's neighbors serving their neighbors.

We continue to serve people in need over and over and over.

Many times uh most of the people come in the community that we've been able to build around our food pantry has been less about the food and more about the encouragement and being able to be coming and prayed for them for all the needs and things that are going in their life, the struggles in their life.

So, in the same way, we want to do this with this property in partnership with Freedom Communities and also True Homes to continue the heart that we had in providing people uh with these needs that they have with affordable living.

Um, we get weekly calls and emails about the property, but we have not been willing to sell just to the highest bidder because we don't believe that that would benefit the community.

That's not what we're trying to do.

We want to continue to serve and build up community.

So we're excited to see working families in our community who struggled to afford a home to be able to find finally afford a place of their own, and uh, we want to take that even further, not just in having them be able to have affordable housing, but also have programs at our church that we connect with freedom communities and um financial classes and all these different things like that.

Uh we don't see this as just selling a property, we see it in the same way we do in our food pantry.

The food is not the priority, changing lives, encouraging people in their life and their faith, loving their neighbors.

The way Jesus modeled that and the way he served others, that's what we want.

So the property in its current form right now has some homeless people living on it, have come in and out.

The neighborhood uh throws a lot of trash away on the property.

Our church has been broken into uh eight times in the past 10 years.

I was on channel three last year because someone parked in our parking lot and held up the free the um family dollar at gunpoint.

Um, so we would like to see the property used for better things than that.

Uh that's what we're hopeful for.

We'd like to see it slowly change, and we've seen the neighborhood in the past 10 years as we've been serving them slowly change for the better.

That's what we want.

Like I said, we don't intend to develop a piece of property.

We want to develop a healthy community of people who can learn to serve one another as we intend to continue to give them the opportunity to do that to serve one another, whether they choose to or not.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You have five minutes left.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Um, as it was mentioned earlier, the True Huns Foundation, they will be the builder developer.

Uh we were before you for the Cindy Creek Lane rezoning a few months ago, so they will be involved in building their product and also developing the property.

Um here is the site, just a couple of the land uses, the mission city church, then a couple pieces of property along Valley Dale, the family dollar, the Express Mart, a multi-tenant commercial building.

Uh, there's a CATS bus stop at this intersection, and then also another Cat's bus stop at this location.

The existing zoning is CG and N1B, so it has a mixture of zoning on the property.

Uh, you kind of see the breakdown of those two zoning districts, and we are requesting N1A C D for 43 towns.

The adopted 2040 policy map is on the right.

It recommends neighborhood one.

The revised 2040 policy map recommends commercial for the site.

We feel that a neighborhood two would be a transition, a good transition between the commercial properties along Valley Dale and then the remaining single family to the east.

This is a rendered plan of the layout.

Access will be off of Goodman Road.

You can kind of see the extension that runs north and south.

From there at the southern portion, there will be a stubstreet that will be there for potential redevelopment of properties along Somerville Road.

So should those properties redevelopment, there'll be an additional access point out to the property.

We have the site is a little constrained due to the odd configuration, and we also do have a stream buffer that is along the back, and that will be dedicated to Mecklenburg County.

Kind of see how we've clustered the townhomes internal to the development, keeping it away from any of the any of the neighbors.

Do you want to point out the at the corner of Goodman and Goodman Road?

The property that is located there is owned by Beth Lammons.

She will be speaking here after us.

We will continue to work with her.

Changing that to 43 town homes and into A C D that comes out to about 277 trips per day.

So we're looking at about a 70% decrease or reduction in potential trips from what the property is zoned today and can be developed compared to what we are what we are proposing.

Wrapping everything up, we will be conditioned for 43 43 town homes.

Um there's not a whole lot of townhomes that are in this area, so this will be a differing housing type.

From there, um be glad to answer any questions you have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Can I have uh Mr.

and Mrs.

Bud and Miss Lammins as well as um another gentleman, everyone who's in opposition, can you come down to this podium, please?

Okay, that adjustment.

Thank you.

Okay, excellent.

Um, you the five of you have 10 minutes in aggregate, and if you could just speak your name before you begin speaking, that would be wonderful for the clerk.

Begin, please.

Good evening, council members.

I want to thank uh councilman Graham for coming by the property a few weeks ago to take a look at it.

That really meant a lot, and I I do appreciate your time.

My name is Beth Lammons, and I reside at 1122 Goodman Road.

I purchased this property in 2020 so that my mother and I could live together during her last phases of life.

After her passing in 2022, I have remained in the property and in the home, which holds great personal significance for me.

My home is directly adjacent to the only proposed entrance for this new development being considered for rezoning.

I'm here tonight to express specific concerns about how this rezoning and the associated changes could significantly affect my property and my quality of life.

First, my house was built in 1957, and it sits just 12 feet from the side property line.

That side of the house includes my bedroom.

Current under current building codes, if the home were built today, it would require at least a 13 and a half foot setback.

Now I've been informed by the developer that they intend to use the side of my property to widen the right of way, which would further reduce the already narrow side yard and bring the road even closer to my living space.

Second, the increase in traffic from both construction and future homeowners would significantly raise noise levels in what has always been a quiet residential space.

The existing right-of-way was never intended to support the volume of traffic that a large development would bring.

Third, the proposed road widening would directly affect my driveway.

I do not believe I should be forced to relocate my driveway as a consequence of this rezoning.

Finally, and most importantly, I've yet to see any documentation confirming that the land in question, whether you call it a right-of-way, a driveway, a stub, or anything else is a public right-of-way.

When I moved in, the elderly residents had mentioned to me they were the ones that actually paved the road way back in the 50s.

I think Joyce was uh knew the neighbors that had told her that.

And as far as I understand it, it's only been used for myself and the other immediate neighbors.

I respectfully ask the council to consider these impacts carefully before making a decision.

I appreciate your time and your thoughtful consideration.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You have about seven and a half minutes left.

Who's next?

Good afternoon.

My name is Joyce Bunn.

I've lived on Goodman Road close to 40 years.

This rezoning to build 43 town homes with two car garages with only one way in and out.

The traffic will be very unsafe for the houses on Goodman Road.

Three houses will be affected the most.

Beth, of course.

My sisters lives across the street.

They will all lose part of their longs, parking spaces, and their safety when trying to get out to go to work.

I can't imagine a city bus coming down that way.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

You have six uh six and a half minutes left.

Hello.

My name is Philip Bunn, and I oppose the rezoning of petition 2025-27.

So I've been a resident here my entire life.

The 36 years I've been on this earth, almost 37 I've lived here.

This has been my home.

Um couple of issues that I see with this.

Number one is the traffic on our road will increase if this rezoning is approved.

This can and will affect not only the three houses, but everyone else who uses the road.

Lanes will also need to be widened to accommodate traffic.

So this means three homes will lose their property that they've had for as long, if not longer than I've been there.

Um one home will also become uncomfortably close to a road with traffic literally passing by within feet of the foundation as well.

Um Goodman Road is already getting tight with traffic due to other neighborhood being attached to it as well.

Adding another neighborhood and a road will only make things worse, especially with the overgrowth across the street that's growing over into the road, causing cars to have to ride down the middle of the road unless you want your car scratched up.

We have issues out of that.

The second issue I have is going to be litter, litter in our area.

Um we pick up more people and traffic if this rezoning is approved.

More people, more traffic, more litter that we, the residents do often have to pick up behind everybody, and it's not even ours.

Um my third issue is going to be the noise.

If this rezoning is also approved, it will not only will we deal with more traffic and litter, but some noise as well.

Some of us have to wake up super early, so we have to go to bed early in the afternoon so we can get rest.

And if we can't get rest, that's going to affect our quality of life.

And I, for one, wake up, I'm up at 2 45.

That's when my alarm goes off.

I'm on the clock by 3 45 in the morning.

And if there's a ton of traffic coming and going, it's going to be hard to get rest and hard to get sleep.

Um, I want to thank you for the time.

That's all I got.

Thank you.

You have about four minutes, 20 seconds.

Step right on up.

Hi, my name is Bridget Harvey.

I'm at I live at 804 Oak Street.

Um I've been there for almost 30 years.

My husband was born and raised there, his parents were born and raised there.

I have watched this whole community develop in the last 20 plus years with four brand new communities in there with over a thousand homes.

We're probably talking 1500 homes.

There's been no changes to infrastructure.

There's not been any um changes to being able to moderate the traffic through there because if 16 gets backed up, trying to come to Charlotte, they come down Valley Dale.

So now you're gonna add in even more.

You make this one change.

Now there's gonna be more changes, more changes, more changes, but there's no no infrastructure being even talked about, mentioned, or discussed.

On top of that, these changes will cause significant, significant dynamic changes to our community.

From the beginning of Valley Dale to the end of Valley Dale, there are no townhomes, there are no apartment homes.

It's all single family homes.

So now, if you introduce this to our community, it changes everything.

Everything.

Our whole mindset, the way things are, the way people interact, it causes safety concerns because when you start having apartments in there, even townhomes.

I'm sorry, but people who live in townhomes, I've been in them.

They don't they care about their stuff, but at the same time, they don't take as much pride as somebody who owns a single family home.

That's all I'm gonna say on that part.

Um, this also will put a bigger strain on the school, the local school systems, which are already almost at capacity at this point, which are not doing the great so on tests on test levels at this point in time.

So when you add even more to that, you're just deep you're putting more strain on a system that's already strained and going to cause more students to fall further and further and further behind.

And I thank you for your consideration on this.

Thank you.

Mr.

Jordan, please step up.

You have two minutes left.

Two minutes.

I'll make it quick.

Dwayne Jordan.

Um I live at 6501 Mint Street.

I think I'm the largest property owner in that area with over 15 acres.

I have 12 homes in there that I rent out.

Uh my family established that neighborhood over a hundred years ago.

Um if you look in that area, there are no apartments.

There's not everything has been single family dwellings forever.

When the city came in and annexed it, they didn't change it.

Nothing has changed until now.

This petition is before you, and it may meet the planning staff's recommendations.

It and it may meet their intentions.

But my grandma used to say, it may be right, but is it the right thing to do?

We have invested our money and our time in building our property and building our quality of life in this neighborhood for all these years.

Now if the church wants to be a community of the uh or uh a steward of the neighborhood, donate the property and put the thing uh single family homes in there.

That way it ties in and matches everything that's already there.

You have 30 seconds.

Okay.

And uh I would employ the the council to please deny this petition.

This is not necessary, and it affects our quality of life.

Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Moore, if you would like to rejoin us, you have two minutes for your rebuttal.

Definitely appreciate everyone coming out tonight uh to discuss the rezonings of some of the technical issues.

Uh there was a question of that the the right of way will increase in size.

We will not be increasing the Goodman Road extension right of way.

Um we do not control that piece of property at all.

It'll just be an extension of an existing street.

Um, mentioned earlier of the the changing of the rezoning compared to the the CG.

Uh that's where a lot of the trips will happen because it's partly zone commercial.

Um the trips will decrease by 70 percent.

So we have we have that as well.

Um, and possibly another item we we did explore knowing that access was going to be a significant concern of the site.

There are two parcels that are along Valley Dale Road that are contiguous to the site.

Those folks were approached, they were not interested in the rezoning or being a part of the rezoning.

But we did want to make sure that the Goodman Road extension, we would have the right of way to the property line should the other properties to the south redevelop.

So there is a potential for an access along Somerville Road.

Thank you, folks.

Change is tough.

I think we'll all recognize that our change in our city is happening fast.

One of those changes has been the affordability of housing and how expensive it is.

And to the greater good of being able to keep residents and make homes available for them to purchase and be able to build their personal wealth.

I hope you'll consider this.

Thank you for your time tonight.

We really appreciate it.

Okay.

Thank you.

We are going to uh stay close.

Uh stay close for questions because we're going to open it up for questions.

And sorry, you can't speak again until unless someone asks you a question.

But hang on because we're going to open it up for questions with the council members.

And we're going to start with Mr.

Graham.

Thank you, Madam Mayor for Town.

First, let me thank everyone for coming out this evening on this very important topic.

Certainly, the affordability of housing is really important in our community, and certainly I think everyone around this die is supports affordable housing, whether it's this district or district one, three, four, no matter where it's at.

But it has to be in the right location too, right?

That's that's really important.

I did take the opportunity, I guess about three weeks, four weeks ago, uh, to tour the site, uh, walk to site, uh, saw the proximity uh between Beth home and the only entrance to the site, and I now feeling that it was problematic.

Um if I lived there, I would be um upset too, not because this affordable housing that's coming behind me, but because of the close proximity and the only entry point to that subdivision is literally a stone throw away.

And I think you have to take that into consideration as well.

Um I believe that no matter if you live in an apartment or a townhouse, um, people care about the quality of life uh and the living conditions of the community.

Uh, and so I don't think that's a uh the issue at hand either, right?

Uh it's really about is this the appropriate site?

Is there an appropriate entry point to the site that would accommodate um not only the traffic that would generate based on those who live there, but emergency vehicles, fire truck, uh, police cars getting to the people on that site.

And so I I'm a little bit um undecided at this point.

Um very much um aware that there are a number of concerns relating to this.

I'm willing to grant you the same um courtesy of walking the site with you as well.

Um and and see if there is a way that we can broker uh a compromise.

You can't move for house.

Right.

That that's that's that's a that's a permanent fixture, and that road is well, you know, it's really really narrow.

So I don't think I'm exaggerating at all, right?

And they go to the right by our house.

I mean, it's it's literally problematic.

So I'm opening myself up to all the parties uh to come out again to see if there is a way to compromise.

Is there another entry point other than that entry point?

Um but uh I I'm very um skeptical, not based on housing affordability, uh based on proximity and entry, and I think those are some issues that we need to talk about uh before it comes back for a decision.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I have Miss Ashmira.

Thank you.

First, let me just acknowledge the partnership with the city uh, especially for home affordability.

Uh a lot of uh products we seize for rent.

So for you all to bring opportunity for our residents to have a shot at home ownership speaks a volume, and we appreciate that.

I know councilwoman Mayfield has been leading that effort for faith and housing partnership.

Uh so we want to see more of that.

Uh, but I also want to keep in mind what council member Graham said about the entry point.

So if one of you could come at um forward and if you can show us the site map again and see if there are any changes that could be made to the entry point to address some of the concerns that are raised by a few public speakers.

Literally right here.

Okay.

When the rendering comes back up, the Ms.

Laman's property is right here.

It's a little hard to see her, but her out her house is very close to that.

Um she was kind enough to share her boundary survey or property survey with me.

And it's she's right, it's the house is closed.

It's about 12 feet from the right-of-way and about 17 feet from the pavement itself.

Um, but what we have discussed is putting curbing because there is no curbing currently along that section of the street to have two and a half foot curb and gutter down to a point where it goes to Valley Curb for her for her driveway for her house, and then continue that along Goodman Road and to the site.

Um as I explained a little bit earlier, we do have we do have a stub street here.

So should these properties redevelop, we have a connection there.

These two properties, they did not want to be part of the rezoning petition.

Um so that would have been probably our best entry point off of Valley Dale Road.

And we even explored another possibility of another entrance into the back of the church property, but unfortunately, this property owner, we would have needed to do grading for that driveway, and it probably would have been on his property as well, so he would have had to also agree to all of those terms.

So we've we've looked at it, we do we do fully understand that access is is a significant concern as part of this rezoning.

Um, but we will continue to work with Ms.

Lannons with some of the items that were mentioned earlier.

Yes, I think uh that would address uh their concerns, and I think those are valid.

Council member uh Graham mentioned, and I hope that we can have a resolution on that um in coming weeks.

Uh I think one of the speakers also mentioned about infrastructure, and I we hear that pretty much at every zoning meeting, uh traffic congestion throughout the city.

So this question is for our C DOT.

Uh if you could uh give us any update on infrastructure that's uh coming near them.

And if you uh if you don't have that list, it could be part of our follow-up report.

Oh okay.

Jay Carpenter with CDOT.

So there's no capital projects identified in the direct vicinity uh of this site, but I will note that uh specifically Valley Dale Road is um it's it's full build out as a two-lane road, a two plus.

So there's some turn lane improvements that could happen down the road uh on Valley Dale, but uh it's not uh planned for uh any road expansion to more than uh two travel lanes.

Uh but we can we can look for additional uh projects in the area and see if we can find anything to provide and follow up report.

Yes, I think if you could provide us an update on that.

Um infrastructure items as part of our strategic investment areas.

Or are you not in the direct vicinity of of this rezoning?

Yep, correct.

Okay.

Um and I I also want to note in staff's recommendation.

I see the rationale here is that there is a commitment to setbacks and open space that are greater than our ordinance requirement.

Could you tell us what is our ordinance requirement and what is the commitment that's been provided by the petitioner specifically in terms of the setback and open space?

Yes, so um adjacent to the neighborhood one place type.

Uh they would be required to provide a 10-foot class C landscape yard.

They voluntarily included a 25 foot class B landscape yard were applicable and for the rear setbacks abutting um the western or northwestern side of the property along here they've committed to a minimum of 20 feet from that property line depending on the orientation of buildings it could vary between five and twenty feet but they've committed to a minimum of 20.

Well that's all I have I look forward to having some sort of resolution on the entry point but I really appreciate the commitment that you made to affordable housing setbacks open space and even parks and direct easement that speaks a volume and I I hope that we can address the concerns of our longtime residents that they raised.

And that's all I have thank you.

Thank you Miss Johnson.

Thank you Mayor Pro Tim my questions I just want to give you an idea of what we as council members have to consider.

Some of the things you mentioned your subdivision is changing we hear that so often and we understand that's just the city is changing.

So we recognize that I think you brought up some great points when it comes to infrastructure so that those will be considerations Councilmember Ashmere asked questions about pending developments.

That's kind of frowned upon but when you talk about 80% AMI in my mind I'm thinking around 288 or 3000 dollars for the homes if we're looking okay if we're looking at a 120 um AMI in the city so we need that level of housing in our city if you think about it 3000 dollars with the home dollars the home down payment I think is up to maybe a hundred thousand dollars you know that's you know that's under 2000 dollar mortgage for individuals we need that level of housing in our city so this will be something that as as me as a council member I would really advocate for and want to see however as a former realtor and someone who was opposed to the UDO for specific reasons location does matter.

So if if it's going to impact and I think I heard 12 feet from a driveway I mean that's we have to really really consider that is that fair to the existing homeowner so that's that's the approach we want to take so I would hope for certain that you all could work this out because it's important this is important housing but our current residents are important as well so I I look forward to the additional progress thank you that's all I have thank you Miss Mayfield thank you question for the petitioner it is noted in here open space will be amenitized and have a minimum dimension of 50 feet in all directions what exactly does that mean that's the the minimum open space dimension we have identified even on this plan here the area that is in green we do have called out there's open space with the site that excludes the screen buffer okay so wanted to make sure for whether or not residents pull this up when we say that open space will be amenitized and have that minimal dimension what exactly are we saying that we just have green space but open space could mean anything is it a trail is it accessible what are we talking about as part of the conditions there are amenities that we're able to choose from so that is all built into the to the conditional notes.

So you'll be able to choose from different amenities so one of the challenges that I'm having based off of what you shared so far which in district this is difficult.

Yes we are working specifically with our religious institutions to identify opportunities both for housing but also the reimagining of building space yet what we have said in this city for many years is that aging in place staying in place is a priority so when we have a community that has grown yes we're gonna see growth and we're gonna see changes that accessibility into this space is a major challenge when you share and when I hear that a number of the potential partners chose not to be a part of this rezoning with their land choice it almost feels like well we're gonna do it because this is the land that we can do it on.

But we have to take into consideration the impact when you're looking at 12 feet or less.

I use Valley Dale Road probably three to four times a week.

So coming off of Mount Holly, Harnessville, turn on to Bell Haven.

If I want to get the freedom, Mount Holly Road is a nightmare because it is literally two lanes.

It is extremely difficult, which is why my earlier was no.

I cut up Valley Dale.

Valley Dale is starting to see a number of the same traffic concerns.

And yes, we have a bus.

The bus is sitting in the same traffic.

So that's not really a win for me to say, well, we have access to public transportation there without being able to widen it.

And you really, it's challenging to even want to widen that role because of the businesses that are along it.

Reorientation may or may not help, but when we're talking about the setbacks, but the setbacks aren't going to directly positively impact the residents who are going to receive the largest negative impact, that's going to be a challenge.

And yes, we want to make sure that we have a city that's accessible and that is diverse and price point housing as well as product.

Not only future challenges, since we say home ownership is how we build wealth, future challenges for generations to come, but also the impacts that will be felt.

Because the other thing that we're not talking about is the construction piece.

But the plan for where are the employees going to go, where are they going to be part when the actual construction starts?

Is the site big enough where all of that can be contained on the site, or is it going to have to be in community like we're seeing in South End and other areas where the workers unfortunately are parking in front of people's driveways, parking or in their yards.

That would be helpful to know, but I definitely look forward to us continuing the conversation.

These are just some of the things that I'm trying to take into consideration as well.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Driggs.

Thank you, Mayor Portem.

So uh I just actually don't have a question.

I wanted to speak for a moment to the residents.

Uh really appreciate that you came tonight.

Uh, your passion and concerns have come across.

We heard you.

Um I think it's important to try to level set a little bit.

So when I heard you say, please deny this, or why can't we have single family homes?

We aren't really in a position to impose uh single family home construction.

We don't have the authority to do that.

So we have to look at this uh through the lens of the pressure that we're under because of a housing shortage and the desire to create housing, the growth of the city, and we are often in a difficult position here because people like you come in and uh they're unhappy about the impact of this growth.

We cannot entirely prevent that.

Our job is to minimize that, to keep it to a minimum.

Uh, and you are fortunate to have a veteran council member in your corner to kind of steer that process.

But I would just encourage you, as the chair of the planning and transportation committee.

I'm the district seven rep, so it's uh not my geography, but uh, think in terms of uh obtaining the best possible outcome of this uh and think about the issues that matter the most to you.

I can tell you, for example, on traffic, um it says the uh proposal creates 270 trips, and the entitlement is um 970 trips.

You should be happy.

Uh we've seen that before.

I was actually the one that introduced the requirement that we also disclose what the current traffic is.

So uh the fact is you've got no traffic being generated at that site now, and and you have the prospect of uh 27, I think, whatever yes, 277 trips.

So uh traffic is often what we get challenged about.

The one thing I will say about that is we are trying to do something about that.

So uh we are working right now on offering to the public in November a referendum for a one cent sales tax increase that would give the city uh a multiple of our current funding capacity for infrastructure projects.

So even though there's nothing scheduled right now, as that process moves forward, and if we get that that uh passed, we will have more capacity to address some of these issues.

And uh I also just wanted to mention uh by way of level set a lot of people do come in and they say the schools can't handle it.

And just want you to know about that that uh in my dealings with CMS, they have basically said, don't you control your growth uh for us?

We will you you let it grow and and you do what you think is right, and we will create the school capacity around that.

Now again, my kids were in trailers for years, so I know that uh that's not always very satisfactory, but it's not up to us to make decisions based on the schools.

There's a school board for that, they have their own budget, and uh so what I'm trying to do is just point you in the direction of the most effective advocacy for your interests.

Uh and uh I hope you appreciate that.

Again, you're fortunate Mr.

Graham is going to give you all of the benefit uh that he can.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ms.

Melina.

Uh thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tim.

And I think a lot of great points have already been stated.

So I don't want to um repeat any of those points.

I'll start by saying to the residents, um, thank you for coming today.

I think it is very important that we hear from you directly.

Uh it really helps us to understand, especially for those of us that don't uh deal with you on a regular basis as far as representation is concerned.

It helps us to know what your direct concerns are for when this decision uh comes in front.

I I will say this because I and I'm working on and talking to staff, and I'm sure my colleagues will be a part of this because we all have a very we're all in interested in making sure that you know the represent you know the residents that we represent have some understanding of how this process goes, right?

So um, you know, Mr.

Driggs is telling you a lot about you know what you know what we can and can't do from a municipal government standpoint.

So this is what we call the hearing.

This is where you come, you tell us what you you know what's going on from your perspective.

We hear from the petitioner, and then within a month, based on most timelines, we have a decision in like a month's time in in most cases generally, right?

That's not something that's widely known.

Um a lot of our residents don't realize that the time frame is that short, so I want a level set.

It could be longer.

I mean, but you know, that's generally how it goes on a on a decision-making basis.

Um and with that being said, uh, I'd like to know what can you do by right, petitioner, with this property as is.

So, based on what you own, how many units could you build in this property by right?

By right, meaning they own it.

The land use right now says they can do X without any decision from council.

That's what that means.

The existing CG zoning that does allow for townhomes, it also allows for multifamily stacked.

So we could get a vertical.

Um I don't think that staff would recommend a tall height in this area, plus with having more of a condo situation that would be there would be some issues with financing.

So that's why we are going strictly with the single family attached.

Now, the balance of the site, there could be duplexes and triplexes.

We have committed to buildings that only have four units as a max, and we have kept those very clustered and inside, and so that was very intentional on the design itself.

Uh could we have greater density?

Someone could come in and build a family apartment building in its current state.

In its current state, um, up to I believe 48 feet in height.

We have we have capped the height as part of the conditions uh to I believe 35 feet for a two-story product.

Um so the height could be greater than what we are committing to.

And the CG is about 1.4 acres approximately.

So an apartment building or a smaller, two smaller apartment buildings could possibly be built there and easily meet the 43 units, and then we'll set still have the same access.

And what's the current ask for units right now?

43 total.

So you're asking for 43 and 43 could potentially be built by right?

I I think by right, yes, with the two apartment buildings and then duplexes and triplexes on the balance of the M1B zoning.

I just want to make a small correction.

So apartments and multi-family attached are permitted in the CG district under certain circumstances.

That's when they are located in a neighborhood center under this in this location apartments and townhomes would not be permitted by right and CG.

So give me some idea of what would be allowed by right at this moment.

Well, according and to fully know how many units could be built and how large of a commercial building could be built, um, you know, the site would have to be designed following standards of the ordinance, so we don't have a good idea specifically, but the C dot memo as far as those trip count of 970 trips that's been stated is taking into account 13 dwelling units and about 14,000 square feet of retail.

Okay.

So tell just for public consumption, conditional.

I see that there's a conditional.

So conditional means what?

Uh conditional means exactly what this is.

It has to come before the board for decision.

Right.

But that means you got to tell me what you're going to put there, or you don't have to tell me what you're going to put there.

Uh as far as conditional goes, you do have to uh come with a plan, and that's what they're doing through this process.

Um, but to develop by right, they do have CG on the property, and they do have N1B on the property, so there are certain um uses that could be built without coming before the city council.

Absolutely.

So I'm I would I'm trying to ask these questions so that you you get some of what we have to deal with when it comes to making these types of decisions.

We have some values-based information that we can actually you know say, like, look, this makes no sense, but then the protection or or not thereof comes in where like there are already land uses that can be done without us even without us even you know saying yes or no, right?

And it sounds like that could be a possible challenge based on what I can see right now, right?

And so I agree with Mr.

Driggs in that you do have a senior statesman who represents you who is extremely adept at this process who will be able to guide you to some type of equilibrium, right?

And I trust that with 100% certainty.

Something that makes sense for you as an existing resident who has spent decimal years in this area, and something based on what the current land uses would allow for in the event that let's say this wasn't to happen and someone else purchased it hypothetically, right?

To make sure that you understood, you know, based on because this is complex.

I mean, even the ones of us that do it all the time, we have to depend on staff to ask for specificity and and making sure that we can try to disseminate that to you and make sure that you understand what's going on is important at to to as much as we can, right?

So um I'm I'm gonna look to Councilmember Graham because like I said, I just I know he's gonna do a fantastic job of giving you great guidance on what's in front of you, where you are, working with the petitioner, and and I'm sure he'll get back to us to let us know what that means.

But thank you for coming and you guys too.

I mean, I you know, councilwoman Johnson said something that's very important, right?

Um housing affordability is something that we're we're always attempting to try to make the right, you know, create the right opportunity for where it makes sense, you know, uh, for both the resident and you know, both residents, the resident that would live there and you know existing residents as well.

So, you know, I'm really hoping that in this case, based on what the current use is, what your axe use is that that you would consider if this was your neighborhood.

Absolutely.

Right?

Like it and you had something that you knew you could do across the street from someone's house, but you also know that someone lives there.

I like those kind of humans.

I like the humans that are just like, you know what, I'm gonna consider these other humans because if it were me, I would want someone to consider me too.

And so that's the that's that makes it easy for us to be in favor of of something where there needs to be a balance, just you know, from my process of thought.

And that's all I have.

Thank you.

Thank thank you, Miss Molina.

Uh Mr.

Moore, I just have a couple questions for you.

I noticed that you had 15 members uh attend the community meeting.

Were there other concerns outside of what uh these five residents brought up tonight?

It was the same message that you know that we received that what they provided you, the council.

Um yeah, those were the major issues that we did here.

And then as you went through your presentation, did you mention that three homes would potentially lose some parts of their land with this?

Someone mentioned that, and I wanted to just verify that that was true.

No, that was mentioned a little bit earlier.

Um we will now be widening the right-of-way, the the Goodman Road extension, so there will because there's no the church does not control the property along either side of Goodman Road, so there will not be any property that will be acquired unless if the property owner is willing to do so, but we have not asked them for any property, so there will not be any taking of property.

Okay, so no one's property will be impacted, however, the proximity to the madam's houses is very much an issue.

Yes.

Okay.

Got you.

So the other uh question that well statement I just wanted to make because there was a question around schools and performance, and Mr.

Drigs did bring up some really valid points.

But um, we do see the utilization of the schools in this area, and in particular um Westmack High School and Coolwood Middle School are very much underutilized, and so uh that's good news that there won't be a great saturation of the high school and the middle school there.

So that that was good news.

As my colleagues have mentioned, I won't repeat it, but this is a difficult balance, and I'm sure I'm gonna pass it over to Mr.

Graham so he can close us out.

But I'm sure we'll have discussions in community around this on a go forward basis.

Mr.

Graham, will you close?

Can I ask one question?

Thank you.

Ms.

Johnson, you have a question.

Thank you.

Just really quick.

There's a note from Charlotte Water.

And it's a and this is for city staff.

It says Charlotte Water currently does not have water system accessible for the rezoning boundary under review.

The closest water distribution main is approximately 375 feet southwest.

A developer donated project will be required in cases there's not direct service.

Can you explain that?

So the developer will have to do what?

And what impact will that have on the current water pressure and system?

Um often sites will have direct access to water mains, sewer lines.

Um in this case, the closest is 375 feet away from the site.

So the developer will be responsible for extending that water main into the site, and they will have to donate that infrastructure to Charlotte Water for maintenance.

And will that have a negative impact on the current water system?

Um I I can't speak to Charlotte Water policies, but it should not have any adverse impact on the water system.

They'll have to build it to the specifications required by Charlotte Water.

Okay.

Thank you.

That's all.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr.

Graham, close us out.

Yeah, we we've beat this up enough tonight.

Um for sure.

Um I I just hope that my members um will follow council members may feel's lead in and and maybe visit the site because I think you get a different appreciation based on what you're seeing on the map.

Right.

And so I know everyone is busy, but I think that might give you a little bit more understanding in terms of with some of the considerations.

Thank you.

Excellent.

Uh any further discussion?

Vote close.

Second.

I have a motion to close and second.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you all for coming out, and thank you.

Thank you very much.

So we will move on to agenda item number 13.

Petition number 2025 032 by Queen City Land.

The location is approximately 15.8 acres located southwest corner of Plaza Road Extension and Hood Road and east of Windrift and District 5, Miss Molinas District.

Current zoning is B1 CD.

Proposed zoning is N C C D and A C D.

Staff does not recommend approval of this petition in its current form.

So after staff's presentation, Mr.

Brown, you will have 10 minutes, and then we have Miss Ray Timothy, who will have are you present, Miss Ray Timothy?

All right, wonderful.

After after the 10 minutes, you will have 10 minutes to state your case, and Mr.

Brown will have a two-minute rebuttal.

Thank you.

Thank you.

This site is just under 16 acres along the Plotha Road Extension Corridor at the intersection with Hood Road in an area character characterized by single family residential development as well as green fields.

Site is currently zone neighborhood business conditional from a 1993 plan for a shopping center.

And the petitioner is proposing both a neighborhood center conditional as well as a neighborhood to a conditional zoning district at this site.

This request is inconsistent with the policy maps recommendation for the neighborhood one place type.

The plan proposes neighborhood center zoning for the portion of the site at the Hood Road intersection.

And that would allow for 20,000 square feet of athletic club uses as well as 4,500 square feet of retail uses.

Also specifically prohibits some of those auto-centric neighborhood center uses as well as a handful of others.

The NGOA portion of the site is for up to 94 town home style units with no more than five units per building.

They would have a 10-foot classy landscape yard located along the southern boundary against the existing neighborhood one residential place type.

Also commits to preferred architectural standards for those multifamily attached units.

Provides a 12-foot multi-use path as well as 18-foot planting strip along Plaza Road extension and eight-foot sidewalk along any internal public streets and eight-foot planting strip and six-foot sidewalk on the Hood Road frontage.

The plant commits to the portion of the site that's along Hood Road to remain undeveloped, and that would protect existing wetlands and the sensitive environmental areas.

And the petitioner would provide mulch walking trails and benches throughout common open space areas.

Staff does not recommend approval of this petition in its current form.

Our recommendation stems from the items we would look for when assessing a place type change for neighborhood one to neighborhood two.

In regard to the NC portion of the plan, staff is supportive of the proposal and generally desires to see those non-residential uses that may serve as the neighbors in the area.

The context of this area is near uniformly neighborhood one, and generally a neighborhood two request should be considerate of its surroundings and transition appropriately to those single family neighborhoods at its edges.

Staff would prefer to see building forms throughout the neighborhood to portion the plan that are in alignment with what is allowed in the neighborhood one districts, such as duplexes, triplexes, and some quadruplexes.

The area the the areas of the plans that about the single family neighborhoods should have the least intense building forms such as duplexes and triplexes with more intense building forms transitioning across the site and being oriented more towards the NC portion designation of the site.

A larger landscape yard should also be committed to establish, committed to along the single family boundary to be more mindful of that in one to end two transition.

There are a couple of out other outstanding issues related to transportation that we would look to see addressed in subsequent revised plan as well as some other more minor items.

I'll take any questions following comments by the petitioner and public speakers.

Thank you.

Welcome, Mr.

Brown.

Good evening, Mayor Pro Tim, Council members, members of the dining committee, Colin Brown on patent on behalf of petitioner of Queen's City Land.

Uh thanks for the overview by Holly.

This is an interesting site.

There's there's a lot going on here.

We've actually spent a good amount of time.

Uh Councilmember Melina uh was involved early and smartly let me know that uh County Commissioner Martin Gerell lives around the corner, so we've engaged with Commissioner Drell to talk about this site and kind of get a get everyone's feedback.

So uh as Holly mentioned, um, the site is here at the corner of Plaza Road extension and Hood.

What is interesting about the site?

It is is currently zoned to be a shopping center.

So the only thing that can be built on the site today is a large shopping center.

Now, this uh plan was approved 20 plus years ago, right?

A shopping center has not been built for some reasons.

There's not demand there, but just keep in mind zoning only allows a shopping center.

So that's what allowed by right.

Now, what is the city plan say?

The city's plan says it should be our lowest density residential.

So we have a site that is zoned for kind of heavy commercial.

The plan calls for very low density um residential, and as we talk to the community, feedback is kind of in different places.

Uh, as we've talked to uh Commissioner uh Jarrell, we had some good turnout at our community meeting, and folks folks said you know what, we've got a lot of residential out here.

We wouldn't mind having some commercial, a place to go have a sandwich or have a coffee or have a breakfast.

So we we might like to see that.

Also, we have one of the largest parks in Mecklenburg County around the corner, and a lot is being done with open space and trail connections.

So there's a lot of things that can bring you in and out of that site.

So Fort Quayne City Land, you know, they're sitting here, and frankly, they're just a residential developer, right?

Their plan was to take this site and probably build the type of housing that staff mentioned.

Uh you know, kind of lower density than what you see on the screen.

But in balancing all these, we've come up with the plan you see on the screen, which incorporates a commercial portion.

Because that's generally what we heard from the neighborhood is we got a lot of housing.

We we don't want to see just another all residential.

Can you provide a commercial component?

So the development team has done that.

Uh we are doing split zoning to have the NC zoning there, so we've got a little um a place where people can come.

We've got different ideas on what that could be.

We don't necessarily know right now, but we do think it's a good idea.

Then keep in mind all of the work that's going on with that giant park I showed you, which would be just around the corner here, and folks saying, hey, you know, we're just seeing houses everywhere.

So we've got almost 25% of the site over here on the edge, which is kind of our frontage.

If you were building commercial, this is where you'd want the view corridor, but we're leaving all of this undeveloped.

So over 25% of the site is undeveloped.

Uh, these are the walking trails that we're talking about that would connect some uh adjacent communities to the commercial area.

So there's a lot going on.

When you start doing all those, you kind of get squeezed, and so we do have now a smaller area, uh, more concentrated residential, which has more attached housing than staff would like.

Uh but this is our goal of trying to respond to what we've heard from the community.

Uh so we do have our our proposal does have 94 townhomes, um up to 20,000 square feet of athletic clubs, fitness facilities, uh, racket clubs, up to 4,500 square feet of retail, and then the commitment to a very large portion of the site being open space.

Um, so that's what we're working through.

We have um uh Cole Hunt with the development team is here.

Uh he has been out to the site, he has met with neighbors on site, kind of walked it with them.

That's the reason for some of the trail connections.

Uh, I know we've got a speaker in opposition here tonight, happy to hear from them.

I expect we'll continue conversations with the speakers, especially uh it looks like staff's comments as I'm understanding them.

We we've got to have fairly dense housing because we've given up parts of our site to commercial and open space.

So we've got to have fairly dense housing.

But if the concern is along the southern property line, the good news uh is we don't we don't even abut the single family homes.

There's intervening property there, and we're happy to continue working with neighbors in that area and staff uh and hopefully uh get everyone a supported position on that.

So we've got a long agenda tonight.

Uh, I'm not gonna take all my time, but happy to answer questions if you have any.

And we'll thank you.

Uh Miss Ray Timothy, can you come down to this podium?

And once you arrive, you will have 10 minutes.

Okay, scouts.

Hope you get you guys for coming.

Thanks for coming, guys.

Bye guys.

Yeah, looking there pretty well.

It's hard for now.

That's impressive.

Yeah.

Multiple city council members there.

They go to the building.

Girls counting sanity, sanity control.

Good evening, council members.

Um, I am here with myself and the other residents of the community that this development will directly affect.

And I also have 17 other signatures from members of our community.

So I want to start off by saying that we did meet with Cole myself because I'm an end unit, and the other people met with them as well.

And we were told that you weren't going to build behind our house.

So that map does not represent what we were told at all.

Um my first point is that there are other communities with town homes and also single-family homes within a five to ten mile radius of our community.

Our community is still new in itself.

And the issues that we had with our builder, which was Empire, I think could have been avoided if there were more oversight into how they were building our houses, especially at the price point that we had to pay.

Uh also, Empire lied to us because we play premiums for our end units.

They told us nobody would build behind us.

That's the reason for our corner lots, and that's the reason that we bought where we bought.

We thought we would have the in unit for our children to play and to have freedom to do what we needed to do.

That's why we bought on the end unit.

Also, we think that this community, the new community, it will not be a sufficient buffer between us and them.

The other community that's on the other side of us, we can see how there's lack of a buffer between us and them.

I also want to mention that we do have dare that come to our site.

And we understand Reedy Creek Park is there.

Those deer also have to cross into our community because we've been imposing on them.

So where are these dare gonna go if there's another community just popping up from where we are right now?

Also to mention increased traffic, trying to get out of our community off a hood road now, is a sport.

I have walked that community.

I walk our community and I walk the next one.

I've seen people go around buses with stop signs out that they're supposed to stop.

Hood Road is long and it goes to that Rocky River Road to Robinson Church Road with no extra street lights, no stop signs, no nothing.

There was a major accident that called that was that resulted in the death.

Plaza Road and Hood Road last year of 2024.

Also, Plaza Road extension, there's no stop signs, there's no additional lights to, I think it's EWT Harris.

There's a school along the way, there's another community development.

There's like three community developments down that way.

So I don't think we're accounting for the additional traffic that this is gonna bring, especially with putting a commercial site right there.

People are going to be able to cut through our community to get to be able to turn on Hood Road or to get to Hood Road without having to wait at that light at Plaza Road and Hood Road.

Um there's also a lack of stop signs within our community, lighting that we've tried to bring up, but we weren't able to get anything done.

Uh what else?

Affordable homes.

I think right now with our economy and with everything going on, the pricing for affordable homes is kind of a myth at this point.

I don't think affordable homes will be affordable at this point.

I know how our community started off, and the price point that it's ending at I don't and no public transportation anywhere near our communities at all.

How is there gonna be affordability when the people will have to?

You have to have a car to get around.

Have to um also the decreasing of trees and foliage and all that stuff will increase the chances of flooding throughout all these communities as well as as they're growing, they're being built up.

Um I want to mention property taxes.

We've been there only two years, and our property taxes have jumped already.

Uh the noise will also be an inconvenience.

They still haven't finished our roads.

They parked the equipment on the outside of our street, my house, right outside my house to do the next community's road.

So where are these machines are gonna be?

Where are these machines going to be held at?

Where are they gonna be done?

I work from home.

So this is gonna be a big issue for me, and a lot of other people in our community work from home.

Um I will say Peckman and Ballman are the two main roads that'll be affected by this.

And um, yeah, that's it, right?

I think that's it.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mr.

Brown, you have two minutes.

I need to sit.

Okay.

Um, thank you.

If we could go to my slide deck, uh, I think what Mr.

Hunt meant um when he looked at it, and I was just looking at if we've got if you could put my deck up real quick.

Real quick, quick.

Thanks.

That's 12 seconds waiting on.

Um, what I'll point out is that our property line does not abut.

Um, what I'll point out is that our property line does not abut um, if you could, I don't know if you can zoom in, but our property does not abut the existing community.

So none we don't share a property line with any of the owners.

I think that's what Mr.

Hunt meant about you know not developing in the backyard.

As I mentioned, I I think we're certainly happy.

The good news is there is separation land that we do not own.

Um I I can find out, I believe their HOA owns these pieces.

I'm not sure about this, but I can find out.

And certainly we can talk about the transition between the two.

On traffic, I do understand this is their main access to hood.

It is hard to get out.

What we will be required to do is we have to connect to their existing roads.

I know people don't love that, but that will give them access uh to Plaza Road extension and to the new traffic signal at this location.

So that's you know, we talk about connectivity, those will be coming through our site.

I hear the concern about construction.

I think we'll be happy to talk about a uh condition that those not be connected until construction is finished, so that our construction stays on their site, does not negatively impact their site.

But again, we're balancing a lot of interest here, and and what we tried to come together is something that's responsive to having a commercial component, preserving a good amount of open space, and allowing us to build units at the speaker's right about affordability, uh trying to deliver homes that people can afford.

Uh, this is the housing type that that looks like.

So I'm happy to continue.

What we will I I have not met with the residents.

Um happy to do that uh and talk about because staff has expressed the same concern about the southern border about how we can um soften that, mitigate that so the concerns of the noise, the visual impact to those areas.

So we will continue discussions.

Thank you.

Mr.

Brown, it it's kind of difficult to see on this map, but are there how many um ingresses and egresses are there into this community?

Um so to our development, there will be one access to Hood Road uh up here at the top.

Now they're their existing subdivision, and and this is shown if I were to show you the old plan for the shopping center, the old zoning requires these connections as well.

So whoever develops this site will have to connect to the stubs in their community.

Now I hear her point too.

The good news is here, uh, if coming out, we've kind of routed this.

This is a pretty direct route.

I think a lot of residents of those communities will probably use our new road to go up to Hood.

Um sorry to go to Plastic Road extension and get the light.

But we only we're only showing one.

It is true that uh residents of this, if they were maybe going south, might go through that existing community to hood to probably take a right.

Okay.

Okay, I have Mr.

Driggs.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.

Um I'm just interested in in the site plan.

You say you've got 25 percent that's undeveloped.

Is that because of topography or why is nothing happening there?

It's a lot.

There's some topography, there's some environmental issues.

I mean, there's more that we could capture, uh, but we're kind of we've kind of separated that off.

This goes pretty hand in hand.

So essentially separating that off, and I don't have an exact number.

I think our um our zoning, it depends on whether you define it as open space or tree save, and we're still working through that.

But about 25 percent of the site is undeveloped.

Is there anything that precludes future development in that area?

Uh on our site, certainly the zoning plan would.

So if this plan is approved, this area could not be developed.

I mean you could apply.

Uh, we'd be happy to put a zoning condition on it.

Okay, thank you.

Uh I'm also some switch ready to do that there's something over there.

So there's probably some environmental areas that their reason they're not maxing that out and there's not a connection to hood.

Okay.

Miss Ashmer.

Thank you.

So I live just a few blocks down that way north.

Uh, so I hear the concerns that my neighbors raised specifically around uh infrastructure, and I agree with staff's recommendations here.

Staff does not recommend it in its current form, and I see challenge with this one in its current form.

I don't support it in its current form.

Uh infrastructure is an issue.

This is a two-lane road.

Um in terms of the strategic investment areas.

Uh C dot can correct me, but there is nothing planned for this area.

If you could come to the podium, uh confirm or correct me if I'm wrong here.

See that's correct.

There's no planned improvements at these locations as of yet.

Yes, so um really uh I appreciate some of the neighbors that uh spoke uh in opposition.

Um I think staff has clearly laid out some of their challenges with this and why they don't support it.

Um but I hope that you will continue to work with the district council member and her, she lives there.

Yeah, yeah.

Call her too.

Yeah, well, they already know where I'm uh where I where I stand.

But I I would love to continue to work on this along with Councilmember Melina um to with neighbors to see if we can come to a resolution on this one.

Uh but yeah, their concerns are valid.

That's all I have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miss Brown.

Yes, thank you so much, madam.

Oh, not Mayor Tim.

Young lady that's supposed your name is Miss Ray.

I heard you say something that they you met and they told you that they were not gonna build behind your home.

Can you can you come?

Wait, wait, hang on, ma'am.

Um can you come to the podium?

Yeah, that's what I was gonna.

Yes, and then you can answer the questions.

What do you mean you do have one girl else?

Yeah, or is it just rate there?

Is this that one yeah kind of stuff?

So this question is for the young lady that spoke, Miss Um Ray Timothy.

Yes.

You I heard you say with me that you were told that there was not gonna be any building.

Yes, Mr.

Cole co Mr.

Cole met with myself that that well, not myself.

Okay.

At we're the actual unit right there, and then he pushed that button.

He also met with this house and this house.

I don't think he met my heart, right?

Um, and he walked them through what was gonna be here.

So we were told right now it's blocked off here, we were told this is gonna be a you.

This was nothing's gonna be here.

It was gonna open up and go to the left.

So all of this right here is a surprise to us because this is our yard.

You know?

Sorry.

I love y'all.

Um so we were under the under we were under the impression that nothing was going to be built behind us, whether it's a buffer or not.

Um, besides the point that we were told that nobody was ever gonna build here.

Um so yeah.

But when you met with me, I need for um for clarity and for the racket, when you met with Mr.

Cole Hutt, you were clearly told that there was not gonna be anything built in the area.

Right.

I met with Mr.

Cole.

Myself and my other neighbor.

And he told me that there would be nothing built behind me.

Mayor, wait, I'm sorry, ma'am.

I'm sorry.

We live in the same household, that's my wife.

Okay.

No, I I know, but hang on, hang on.

We just have a process.

Oh, sorry, go by.

So you can't speak from the chair, and you're also not signed up to speak.

So I'm sorry.

Okay, I but you were welcome to do that.

We were told that no houses were gonna be built behind our home.

Okay.

All right, so thank you for speaking to your appreciate it.

So, Mr.

Um Colin Brown, do you know uh have you communicated?

I think I and Cole signed up to speak.

It's Cole, if you want to speak for yourself.

I was not that me, so come up.

Uh again, I think my guess is Mr.

Hunt saw that we don't own the property behind, but Cole, I'll let you speak.

Yeah, thank you uh for your time.

Exactly that.

The Empire HOA owns the property behind their property line.

So when I indicated we will not be building on that property, I still stand by that statement, including the buffer, which the apart uh the proper the property that we're acquiring.

That was not included on what the HOA, which is the land that butts our backyard.

So I wanted to make it clear to Alison that we would not be building on that HOA land.

Yeah, I I I see how that's confusing, right?

This is rare that you see a situation where they have their lots, we have our land, and then there's land in between.

So I think Mr.

Hunt was saying, hey, I'm not developing on this.

The neighbors assume that okay, nothing's happening behind us.

It is probably when they see this map, it's closer than they expected.

So this is the conversation we will have.

It again reflect staff's comments are the same about this southern property line.

So I think this is the area that we're talking about, and that's the area we'll continue talking about.

Speaking of com uh importance of community engagement and and community, uh I just wanted to be clear that you know the conversation that you told them that you unless it's something beyond your control that we kind of stick with that for sake of transparency for our residents and to to communicate and work together.

So thank you so much, Mr.

Hunt, for coming up.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh Mr.

Driggs has a quick follow-up and then we'll go to Miss Molina.

So um I just wanted to note uh we were told is not we need to look at what's in front of us.

And we can't get in a position of trying to resolve what somebody said.

If there was a breach of promise, it's a civil matter.

So uh just want to be clear about that.

We need to talk about what the plan is as it's being offered.

I did have a question for staff though.

Uh it looks like some of your objections are pretty basic.

How far away are you from being able to uh reach an agreement with the petitioner?

Right.

So it depends on how amenable they are to changing building forms and looking at options for the area along the southern boundary.

And you know, it doesn't have to be just one straightforward answer.

You could look at something like enhanced plantings beyond what's currently prescribed, which is a class C landscape yard, which is the lowest tier, the least amount of screening, if you will, of the of the landscape yards.

So in terms of the amount of items, no, I wouldn't say we are that far away.

It's just how open are they to looking at those less dense building forms across the site, um, but particularly where you're close to the N1 and looking at your options for the landscape yard along the southern boundary.

It's not that we don't think it could work, we just want to see something that's more palatable given the N1 context, because generally the site um is missing some of the items that we would like to see when considering an N2 place type change.

So we're looking to make it more appropriate and consistent with in one development patterns with items such as less intense building forms or more buffering and screening along along its edges.

So my concern is just this is the hearing tonight, and it could change possibly quite a bit.

So uh I'll look forward to uh Ms.

Melina's leadership on this one and to hearing about how it comes out, but it feels to me as if this is a little early in the process for us to be having a hearing, quite frankly.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miss Melinda, close us out.

Uh, thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tim.

And first of all, to the neighbors, thank you for coming out.

It's great to hear from you.

Um a lot of our residents and and even my colleagues hear me talk about the Far East.

We talk about the Far East all the time, and we all know when we live here what that means, but you know, they're a great example of of what I'm talking about when I'm saying how do we serve our residents that live in these areas, these previously unannexed areas of Charlotte that are recently annexed into the area, and how do we now provide them the same level of service that we provide to the rest of our residents that have been a part of the city of Charlotte for a long time.

If you even look at this map, you see where they are is like surrounded by ETJ.

This is literally and and holistically the area of Charlotte where we have a ton of upwardly mobile working class humans that don't have lights on their roads, that don't have sidewalks that still have two-lane highways or two-lane streets.

Um we think about right now we have a strategic investment area.

We're coming for you, I promise, is as much as we can afford.

Harrisburg Road, this council is spending 20 million dollars to put lighting and sidewalks along five miles of Harrisburg Road.

This council is spending 73 million dollars right now to widen and add infrastructure to Robinson Church Road.

So we're coming as fast as we can afford, but there's so much steel to do out in that area that to the extent that we have funds.

This council is definitely looking at that area and areas across the city to make those you know strategic investments so that we can you know serve our residents to the degree that we can afford to do so.

So I want you to understand that that we have you know an equal commitment to you and understanding the constraints.

Now, before I saw a site plan, I want you to know that my counterpart in this work is County Commissioner Mark Durrell, he's actually your neighbor.

So when I saw the plan, I called Mark and I'm like, hey Mark, I seen this project that's close to your house.

I was like, I'm gonna have Colin call you up.

And you know, it's it's because of course, you know, what we do it it it works together, but to call him in, we've actually done more than one meeting together with staff.

We brought in, um I'm looking at uh how you doing.

He was on the call.

So we actually had I had county staff and city staff on the call.

I've had planning on the call so that we can make sure that our resources are working together for you guys too, right?

So the county's got some great plans out there that I wish he was signed up to speak because I would love for him to be able to tell you all of the exciting things that are coming to you from a county perspective that's literally, and I mean literally fitting together with what we're doing from a city perspective out in the Far East.

But since he lives there, I was like, hey, Mark, because he's always telling me like we don't have enough like businesses out there, it's all residential, there's nowhere to go get a cup of coffee.

He's always telling me stuff like that.

So that's what we talked about, and that's why this was attractive to me immediately when I heard it, because there was this component of business in it.

So I'm like, I I put it in front of Mark.

We had meetings, we've talked about it.

And even today, so just to let you know, I'm I'm I definitely we're going to set up another meeting.

I want to see where we can meet in the middle.

Because I would love for us to be able to provide if we can get to what staff needs and and make sure that you're protected.

I'd love to be able to give you what I hear so many of you are asking for with regards to there being something simple to do, somewhere simple to go and enjoy with your families out there instead of it just being all residential, is what I continue to hear.

So but I I even got an email today that was actually sent to the whole of staff.

Um have you ever heard of an organization called Charlotte East?

It's well, it's it's more inland, it's further inland, it's closer to Eastland.

Uh, who's also the executive director of that organization?

Um, is one of your neighbors too.

And he reached out to the council today when he saw this petition on the agenda.

And even he's interested in for he and his growing family, like having more amenities that are close to you guys so that you can you know have those resources finally.

So I look forward to you know, having additional conversations with you to see where we can meet in the middle.

I'm not promising you street lights because we can't afford it yet, but you know, with the right resources, you know.

Our plan is to provide you that basic responsibility as a Charlotte citizen, a Charlotte resident that you deserve with the right financial resources.

Um thank you for coming here today.

Colin is has been since I've been on the council.

Colin has been a really honest broker, good partner.

When I first told him about you know, County Commissioner Jarrell, you know, he got us all on a call, he got city staff, county staff on a call, and we've done that now more than once.

So I look forward to talking to you and seeing what we can do.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh any further discussion.

Is there a motion to close public hearing?

Second.

All right.

All in favor of closed public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you all for coming out this evening.

So we're gonna move on to agenda item number 14, petition number 2025, 042 by Brian Easley.

The location is approximately 6.42 acres, located on the north side of Tom Hunter Road, east of Entoura Way Drive, and west of Hidden Stream Court in District 1.

My district.

The current pro uh current zoning is in one B.

Proposed zoning is in 2B C D.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design.

After staff's presentation, Mr.

Easley, you will have up to 10 minutes, and then Miss Parker will have 10 minutes and you will have a two-minute rebuttal.

Thank you.

Good evening.

Property is largely wooded, uh, is occupied by three single family dwellings.

Current zoning is N1B.

Proposed zoning is in two B conditional.

The 2040 policy map recommends the neighborhood one place type.

The proposals for a community of 168 multifamily stacked dwellings, would restrict all units to workforce housing at an average of 60 percent of the area median income with limit building heights of 48 feet, commits to building modulations of at least 10 feet in length every 60 feet in building length for buildings fronting Tom Hunter Road.

Porches and stoops would be predominant architectural features, and would be at least six feet in depth.

Recolocates the Tom Hunter Road curb and gutter to 24 feet from center line to enhance the bicycle lane in accordance with Charlotte Street's map, provides a 10-foot class C landscape yard with six-foot tall fence along the site's eastern, northern, and western property boundaries, and also identifies a centrally located open space in the Minacy area of greater than 25,000 square feet.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design.

It is inconsistent with the policy map recommendation for neighborhood one place type.

Located in an area of with a mix of multifamily and single family residential development.

This petition proposes a moderately intense multifamily development that is mindful of existing land use patterns as well as the necessity for attainable housing.

The site is less than a quarter mile from bus stops for cuts Route 211 and less than one mile from the Tom Hunter Blue Line station.

So it's also across Tom Hunter Road from Tom Hunter Park, and the petition commits to providing workforce housing at an average of 60% of area median income.

I will turn it over to the petitioner and members of the community.

Thank you.

Welcome, Mr.

Easley.

Yes, thank you.

So Joe, can I oh there we go?

Perfect.

Well, yes, thank you.

So my name's Brian Elsie.

I'm the owner of the prime company.

I'm here with my uh twin brother Chris Elsie.

Uh we're from Manhattan, Kansas, but I'm thankful to be here.

And we'll share a little bit about our project.

And yeah, I guess before I get started, I really want to thank you guys for um allowing the Boy Scouts to come.

I'm a Boy Scout, actually an Eagle Scout, and I can remember I grew up in Denver, Colorado, and so coming to an event like this, and so it's just great to uh do a community event like that and have people in the community, especially young men, and and here I am today uh sitting in front of you for something like that.

So I appreciate you guys being so welcoming to the scouts and doing that.

So uh, but yeah, let me talk a little bit about us and our project.

Um so yes, so this is there on Tom Hunter Boulevard, and as uh Joe said, uh we think this is a great infill location.

So we are we've got uh apartment complexes to the north and to the south or and to the west of us, and it will be workforce or affordable housing at a 60% AMI.

And so I think you know, a lot of us when we hear that, we don't really it doesn't really register what that means.

So when I hear, I wanted to break this down.

So when we say affordable housing, so that the these are restricted rental rates, and so for a one-bedroom apartment, the dip the rent differential per month, it's a it's gonna average about a hundred and fifty-eight dollars a month.

Okay, a two-bedroom apartment that's three hundred and nineteen dollars a month, and on a three-bedroom, it's four hundred and ninety-seven dollars a month.

So that's a discount to market rent, okay.

And so that's substantial.

And so I I was I read everyone's a lot of the council members, um, your bios, uh we always do that.

You know, obviously living in Kansas, I'm not local, so I'm trying to learn about you guys and your community.

And I saw a lot about affordable housing.

And I think Mayor Pro Tim, you had actually grown up in some affordable housing.

So I know it's a really important thing to this community, and I think it's a it's a great tool to use, and I think this is a great uh location to do that.

Um, and so when I do say workforce housing, so uh again, these are folks that these are your uh first responders, these are teachers, construction workers, uh they're folks that are earning about 60 percent of the average median income.

So to put that in perspective, it's about a hundred thousand dollars here in Mecklenburg County.

So that's somebody that makes between 40 and 60,000 a year.

Okay.

Uh here's our location.

I think Joe already touched on this.

Uh, here's our kind of a preliminary site plan again.

So uh in this map, uh, north is well to my left.

Um, and so yeah, to the as I said, uh there to the to the west and to the north, we do have uh multi-family housing.

To the east is a uh single-family home uh housing development, and then to the south is Tom Hunter Park.

And I actually walked that park uh this afternoon, right after we flew in.

It's a beautiful park.

It's a great asset uh to the community, and so I'm really excited about our residents hopefully being able to use that facility.

Uh, we did do a neighborhood meeting uh with uh the Hidden Valley Neighborhood Association when I reach out to you, Mayor Pro Team.

Uh, prior to having our neighborhood meeting, we had a Zoom call, and uh, I think I don't know if Majorese, she's probably here.

She's right behind you.

All right, Marjorie, sorry.

Uh Marjorie, so yeah, we had a good conversation, and so I mean, some of their concerns, and we hear this a lot when we're in communities, is of course traffic along Tom Hunter Boulevard, and uh I I think we'll have somebody here from the the um the traffic engineer from the city, so they did say that they had looked at it with our trip calculations and they had not recommended a TIA, which is a traffic impact analysis.

So when I um typically when we're doing developments, if there is a significant traffic issue or they don't think that the street will be able to hold you know that capacity, they'll order us to do a traffic impact analysis, and the staff's not recommending that currently.

So when I hear that, that to me means that there should be adequate um capacity off of Tom Hunter Boulevard.

Uh, the second question that the Hidden Valley folks had asked us about was they wanted us to explore potentially finding a uh another exit off of our parcel uh to the north there, and that's an adjacent um apartment complex.

And I have reached out to those guys three or four times and have unfortunately not been able to get any response out of them.

And so that's not really surprising to me.

Um, you know, if I owned the neighboring apartment complex and another guy was coming to planning to build a new apartment complex, it would be a direct competitor.

I really wouldn't be that helpful either, because uh, you know, that would kind of hurt my business.

So, not super surprising that they're not uh very responsive.

But yeah, um that's really it.

On I want to share, I guess, just a couple of projects that we've done in the past.

So we being in Manhattan, Kansas, we've got to build all over the country.

So this is a project we built in Los Angeles, just finished up.

This is 85 units.

We're a little bit unique as far as a development firm goes, in that we're vertically integrated.

So I have my own in-house architecture team.

We've got about 15 architects that work for us.

We act as a general contractor, so we handle all the construction process, and then we also do all the property management when we're done.

And so we haven't sold any of our properties to date.

We like to hold on to them.

So you saw there, we want you know, we want to love our neighbors, so we want to try to be the best neighbor we can to the folks, and we hold on to these assets and and want to take good care of them.

Uh, this is another site in Lawrence, Kansas, uh, just down the road from us in Manhattan, it's 250 units.

We're just starting construction on that.

And then this site is in Oceanside, California.

It's 179 units.

Uh, I mentioned kind of how we're vertically integrated, so when you're dealing with us, it's really just one company, so there's nobody to uh point a different finger at if something doesn't go right, it's it's all coming back on us.

And that's really it.

So I would really love to get your guys' uh feedback and we'll be uh yeah look forward to hearing any comments that folks have and would love to get your support for our project.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ms.

Parker, you can come up and once you reach the podium, you will have 10 minutes.

Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem.

Good evening, Council, zoning committee, and city staff.

I am Marjorie Parker, president of the Hidden Valley Community Association.

We are here tonight to strongly oppose rezoning petition 2025-042, which seeks to change the zoning for 908 Tom Hunter Road from AN1B to an N2B to allow for 168 additional apartments.

We thank our residents for attending.

Residents know firsthand that adding more apartments without meaningful infrastructure investment will exasperate traffic dangers, reduce mobility, and further limit our quality of life.

We met via Zoom with Mr.

Elsie on two different occasions to outline the changes needed before additional apartments could be considered by the community.

One of our top changes were since they almost directly across from the park, that we needed a lighted pedestrian crosswalk with push buttons for the children to cross the street.

And we do have a lot of children that come from the apartments and cross the street.

We also asked for a comprehensive cumulative traffic study, incorporating all area development in that area.

We asked for two entrances and two exits to lighten the congestion.

To reduce the congestion that would come out to Tom Hunter Road.

And we asked for a long-term infrastructure plan that supports mobility safety and community cohesion.

Unfortunately, his response did not address our concerns.

While we welcome thoughtful community serving development, we cannot support dense apartment construction at this location without critical safety and infrastructure improvements.

Hidden Valley has long borne the brut of systemic neglect.

We're getting some attention now, and I'm happy for that.

Many residents were not aware that Tom Hunter was zoned in 1B, largely because we already had three apartment complexes on that road built without sufficient community input infrastructure investment.

Hidden Valley is boxed in on two sides by major state roads, North Trine and Sugar Creek.

Just try getting out at nine o'clock in the morning or at three o'clock in the afternoon.

The lack of infrastructure investment has left our neighborhood vulnerable to traffic hazards and safety risks.

Church signs have been destroyed by vehicles.

Multiple residents have been injured in collisions caused by reckless driving between North Trine, Sugar Creek, and Reagan Drive.

And Tom Honey has become a cut through street.

I myself was at a red light in Hidden Valley, but was hit from a car knocked off of North Trine backward into me while I'm waiting at a red light in Hidden Valley by our vice president George Johnson, brick wall from cut through traffic has been knocked down three times due to speeding drivers cutting through our neighborhood.

Yes, we've worked with CDOT and we've worked with CMPD.

These are not isolated incidents, they are reality for our residents.

If apartments are built on Tom Hunter, we're gonna have to worry about the safety of those children.

And they do come over to the park without their parents, unfortunately.

And we're gonna have to worry about seniors trying to get out of Hidden Valley because that will be our third state road that would completely block us in.

We urge you to reject petition 2025 042 and work with us toward development that serves not harms our community.

Thank you very much for your time.

Thank you.

So you will have two minutes for rebuttal.

Yes, so there is a there's a really acute need for affordable housing here.

So I went and toured two other affordable housing projects that are adjacent, less than a two-minute drive from this location, and they have a waiting list for their units.

And so I empathize with the council.

I think you're in a really tough spot.

You typically have single-family home owners that don't want to see any change or any development that comes in in a parcel next to them.

And it's always, well, we like affordable housing, but not this location.

This isn't the right spot.

And I think you're in a tough spot.

I realize that as city council members, but I do think this is the right spot.

The questions about the traffic signal for the or the pedestrian walk.

I did mention that, hey, we'd be more than willing if we set up a benefit district.

Like we we're not causing all of the residents that are going to be coming across it.

I'd be more than willing to be a part of a benefit district that hopes pay for that traffic for that light, but I wasn't unilaterally going to say, yeah, we'll just pay for that.

Okay, I heard already that those traffic signals are expensive building those.

So we'd be more than happy to participate if there was to create a benefit district, and everyone that signed that petition where we would all share in the cost of that more than willing to do that.

Um but yeah, I don't think you know, as far as the safety concerns with the road.

I mean, we have a traffic analysis that says that there is adequate um uh there is adequate traffic uh with the road there that it's uh that it can't have that handle the additional capacity.

So I think when we look at it, we've got apartment complexes already there that this is the right location.

But I do empathize with you, I do think it's a tough spot.

You've got a lot of single family homeowners there to the south, uh, but not everybody can afford, as it was mentioned earlier, uh, a couple hundred thousand dollars down to put build a to own a single family home.

Two seconds.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

We will start with Ms.

Whitlington.

Thank you.

Um, my questions are really center around this idea of traffic and safety because I understand certainly that it's incremental.

We've had plenty of conversations about the comprehensive or the excuse me, the the overall impacts of development on traffic concerns.

That said, once this is in the ground, the concerns that they brought up from a safety standpoint really cannot wait until we have the money to pay for infrastructure improvements.

So I'm wondering what is two questions.

The first one is when we look at our TIA, what are we considering in terms of safety and how do we consider risk versus just the trips per day?

And then the second part of that question is if there was to be some kind of voluntary benefit contribution by the developer.

Do we have the opportunity to close the rest of the funding gap to get something on the ground in time with the development?

Good evening.

So to your first question about the traffic safety when we uh perform uh analysis of petitions, if there is safety issues that are concerns along where there'd be a new driveway access, uh, then we would take a look at some mitigation measures in this case, uh the the Tom Hunter Road area uh where the site is specifically doesn't have any uh historical uh high injury network classification as a greater analysis when we do the larger traffic studies, which is not done with a petition like this, uh we would consider um improvements to intersections uh when we are review crash history and things like that.

So in this case, there was there is no traffic study, it's a smaller petition from a traffic perspective, uh but we do review the the frontage for access concerns.

Uh to your second question, uh sometimes we do have the ability to close a gap in signal funding or uh things like that.

Um at this point, without uh having further conversations, we would have to see where that would stand for uh a pedestrian crossing at this location.

Thank you.

That'll be something that I'll be particularly interested in when this one comes back to us because it sounds like even though there's not criteria that meets this high risk intersection.

We've just heard a couple of uh anecdotal stories where uh um residents have concerns, and so we certainly don't want to wait until something happens, God forbid, a child or someone is hit before we do something about it.

So I'd love to get an understanding of what could be here and how much that would cost, and then uh an understanding from the petitioner on what they might be willing to contribute so that we can solve the problem uh rather than waiting for it to find us.

Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Johnson.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim, and thank you to Ms.

Parker and Hidden Valley Association for coming out.

Thank you also to the developer.

Um, yes, as Dr.

Watlington mentioned, I've talked about cumulative impact for a long time.

And Ms.

Parker mentioned several apartment complexes in that area.

I would be curious to know what's been approved lately.

If we could have some type of map, I know I ask for those things in district four for the approved and buy right development, so we can see the cumulative impact.

I know that's not listed, and we look at developments you know independently, but the neighbors feel it.

They feel all the other uh approvals and the traffic.

So I'd like to know what is out there, and I know the developer, I understand that this is your petition and you feel like it shouldn't be your problem.

I I get that.

Um, but the neighbors do feel it, you know.

So if there's something, and when Hidden Valley was in in District 4 in my district, there was a developer that did donate for traffic improvement.

So that's certainly you know a concession or or something we we can possibly talk about, and if the city is able to fill in that gap, but I'd like to know what has been approved in that area because in our book we only have two petitions, and we know that that area is changing rapidly.

So I I think that that would be something fair for us to consider.

Another thing when you talk about cumulative impact, in our book, it says that Julius Chambers, this petition alone is going to change Julius Chambers' capacity to 128% at capacity.

We know that our children are having challenges in schools, so these are the kind of things that we want to take a look at.

So I appreciate your coming out and speaking, but just from a policy perspective, I think it would help us to really to know to get a bird's eye view of what's going on over there so that because the neighbors and I know we know these residents, they're not they don't come and talk about and have that NIMBYism and say not in my backyard.

So that because the neighbors and I know we know these residents, they're not they don't come and talk about and have that NIMBYism and say not in my backyard.

These are valid concerns.

So I would I would like to again have a have a map or a list of what's been approved in the last two years within one mile of this area so that we can see what the impact truly has been.

And I'm gonna push again.

This is something we should be looking at as a city.

We shouldn't be looking at these independently.

I'm looking at these.

This petition in this area is going to impact the school, Junior's chambers to 128%.

I'm curious if there are any other in the in the book tonight.

You know, the book tonight in that same area, and we're not adding those percentages together.

So that's all I have.

I I look forward to um continued work and um and hope that there can be some accommodations, a lighted pedestrian crosswalk.

I mean, those kind of things seem uh seem seem reasonable, reasonable to me.

And then the two entrants and two exits, they ask for that.

How many entrance and exits are currently designed?

Well, there's one entrance and exit off of Tom Hunter Road, and that's our only public road that we're accessible.

The Tara Lane is a private road off of the developer to the north.

Okay.

Well, I hope you can continue to work with the resident.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miss Brown.

Thank you, uh Mayor Potiam.

Miss question is for well, a comment for Miss Marjorie Parker.

I I heard you you spoke for about eight minutes, and I really appreciate you having the leadership that you have in Hidden Valley, a historic community.

Thank you for when you see the Z go up, you know, the Z go up in your you gather together and you leave your community to come down.

Leadership and community engagement is very important in each project, they matter.

And so I just want to say to you on the record publicly, thank you, because I've watched you grow and develop your community into a caring and nurturing community that care about the the character of your community and what goes on in your community, and we need more of that.

So I wanted to uh give you a round of applause for stepping up and being an leader excellent in the historic Hidden Valley community.

So thank you so much for that.

And I know we'll see you more in the future.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So I I have a couple of questions, and and you both can stay there.

Um first of all, um, thank you, Mr.

Elsie, for reaching out to me.

I was able to have a meeting with you very, very early on, even before there was an actual petition number for this um petition.

And I was able, of course, I directed you to Miss Parker, and and we've been in touch a couple of times about this particular initiative.

So this area is a in particular, Tom Hunter is an a road that has a lot of high-speed vehicles going through because they're connecting from one side of uh the Sugar Creek Corridor over to North Tryon.

So there's a there's a lot of high speed traffic that comes through there.

I too would like uh Mr.

Carpenter to see what the cumulative impact is for some of the approved sites because we know we have the Hoover town homes that are right there at the end, and then we also have another town home uh development that's going in on the same road but closer to North Tryon, and so that is bringing in a different additional um trips as well.

So I I also believe that you know the park, Tom Hunter Park is a great park, Hidden Valley Neighborhood Association has their national night out in that park annually, so it's a it's a big park, it's a nice park, and with this particular project, I believe it's adding a hundred and sixty-eight multifamily units.

That means you're gonna have a lot of people, but also children who are gonna want to with excitement run across that street and and get to that park after school and on the weekends.

And so I would like to see if we could.

I know you all had have had some conversations around a hybrid a hybrid beacon crosswalk.

But I would like to see if you all could continue to come together to work on that, because with the additional children and their children already there, it's it's it's prime for a potential accident to happen.

In particular with the one ingress and egress out of this property with 168 units.

But there needs to be a safe way to get across that street.

Now, um, sir, I know you've said that you've been in contact with the uh subdivision that's abutting you this particular uh site about an additional egress and ingress, but maybe while you're here, you can sort of push to have those conversations.

I just think that's a lot of cars to be coming in and out of just one particular entry on a on a um on a road that has high speed, very high speed cars going back and forth.

So I really wanted to make sure that we can continue to have those conversations.

Mr.

Carpenter, did you want to come up and make any comment about any potential safety options here from a traffic calming measure or crosswalks, etc.?

I'll just say that uh after being made aware of some of the concerns about uh the crossing here and access to the park for uh not only the new development but existing uh residents along Tom Hunter.

Uh that we've done some internal uh discussion on uh you know whether you know uh crossing could be approved here, and I think there's preliminary support for the crossing, and so we just have to have more conversations about uh what's available from uh city perspective uh as far as partnership uh to make it happen, or you know, what the developer can offer is uh to to assist in uh creating something at this location.

Okay, great.

I I think the four of us need to continue that conversation because I think that's a really important aspect that the community is uh really wanting and has been asking for several times.

Thank you, Mr.

Carpenter.

So I this is this is our hearing, and I think we have some additional conversations and some additional work to do, which of course, Ms.

Carpenter, I echo, I mean, Miss Ms.

Parker, I echo what uh Ms.

Brown said.

You have done a fantastic job leading the Hidden Valley neighborhood, and thank you to all the residents coming out because this is important, and this is a lot of potentially a lot of families being added to a neighborhood.

So if we're going to do it, we need to make sure that it's it's done right and built into the fabric and context of what the neighbors would like.

I also didn't see any sort of renderings of what you are looking to potentially build.

Do you have renderings of what would potentially be there?

Uh we don't at this time.

Um typically with like the it's my understanding with the zoning is you set kind of uh a baseline of what type of setbacks and different things, and then as you develop your building permit, you put together all the elevations.

I think that's how it works.

Is that right?

We we typically don't have elevations for reasoning petitions.

Yeah.

It's just um, you know, this is a historical community, um, a long-standing community in Charlotte.

It would just be very interesting to see or at least hear about the vision for this site and how it would fit into the fabric of that area.

So that's all I have for this evening.

Any additional comment?

Move to close, second.

All right.

There's a motion to close and second.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Thank you.

And thank you, Ms.

Parker, and thank you to the residents of Hidden Valley for coming out.

And with that, we will move on to agenda item 15.

There it is.

It was hiding.

Agenda item 15.

Rezoning petition number 2025 060 by Mecklenburg County.

The location is approximately 27.47 acres on the east side of East WT Harris Boulevard, north of Albemarle Road, and south of Hickory Grove Road and District 5, Miss Molina's district.

The current zoning is R uh 220 M F C D.

Proposed zoning is into CEX.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation and site and building design.

There are no opposition signed up to speak.

So after staff's presentation, Mr.

Carmichael, you will have three minutes.

Thank you.

Yep, thank you.

As uh mentioned, 2025 060 is located on the east side of WTRS Boulevards, approximately 27 and a half acres.

Current zonings are 20 MF C D, multifamily residential conditional, and the proposed zoning is in 2C EX neighborhood 2C exception.

2040 policy map recommends the neighborhood two place type.

Uh so this proposed plan is consistent with the policy map.

A little background, uh the site was rezoned in 1988 and was proposed to be developed with 251 multifamily stacked units.

Uh that approved plan was never developed, and the site is currently vacant.

Proposal calls for the development of a public park.

Petitioner requests an exception provisions as specified by Article 37 of the ordinance.

Um they'll have to include a sustainability benefit and a public amenity benefit.

Sustainability benefit will include the preservation of on-site open space above and beyond what's required by the ordinance, and the public amenity benefit will include an inclusive playground in addition to passive amenities such as walking trails and a multi-use lawn.

Following exceptions are requested.

Um in lieu of uh of it including new streetscape improvements along the frontage with WT Harris Boulevard.

Um the existing sidewalk and street trees will remain.

However, the petitioner does plan to install the required streetscape improvements after completing phase two of the park development.

And uh assuming that they receive funding from the project um from Mecklenburg County.

Uh staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution aboutstanding issues related to transportation site and building design.

The end to place type supports public open spaces such as parks and community amenities and sites served by transit.

I'm happy to take any questions following Mr.

Carmichael's presentation.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Carmichael.

Uh thank you.

Um Madam Mayor Bro Tim, members of the council and the zoning committee.

I'm John Carmichael here on behalf of the county with me tonight.

Are General Ruggs in Bertland with the county, and they're here to answer any questions you may have.

Max did a very thorough job going through the request.

Uh just briefly, it is zoned right now, R20 MFCD and the approved plan would allow 251 multifamily units.

This proposal is a resented the site to N2CEX.

If the petition were approved, the only permitted use of the site would be a public park.

The EX is to request the exception that Max described.

Simply put, it is to allow the existing sidewalk and streetscape improvements located along the site's frontage on East WT House Boulevard to remain in place.

County would have the intent to install new street cape streetscape improvements when they receive funding for those uh improvements.

That is a long frontage, it's about 2,000 feet.

So it's an expensive undertaking, but they'd like to get the park phase one of the park developed, phase two, provide the benefit to the community, and then when they get funding for the streetscape improvements to implement those.

But once again, there is an existing sidewalk located on that site's frontage.

And we're happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Thank you.

Miss Molina.

Thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tim.

Um and thank you so much for the presentation.

This is one that we've talked about that I'm I'm very excited about.

Park space is something that um not only I but the residents on the east side are very excited about.

I've heard so many good things about this particular park.

Um Commissioner Jurell and I, we've talked extensively about um this particular park.

So I don't I'm I just want to put you guys in the area that we're talking about.

So Albemarle Road and WT Harris, where it meet.

Um, you know, you come off of Albemarle, turn on WT Harris, literally like past in front of Spark Central.

Not so bad.

So you got Spark Central kind of across the street, and literally the park is almost adjacent to it.

Uh Mr.

Drake's and I we've talked about this because there's another petition uh that that we're gonna be working on with staff that just you know don't make a whole lot of sense, but we can work through that.

But this right here, um another win for green space and park space um in East Charlotte where families can go and enjoy.

Um so I'm I'm very excited about this uh this particular petition.

So thank you for this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miss Azumeir.

Yes, thank you.

I echo what my colleague, Councilmember Melina said, and also thanks to county staff.

I know that uh in past couple of years you all have ramped up uh your uh acquisition for park space.

Really appreciate it.

Uh I hear that from a lot of our neighbors uh who I live on the east side, and I just appreciate how you have made very intentional investments uh throughout the city and our preserving our park space and acquiring more.

Uh we certainly appreciate that.

Thank you.

And uh Madam Mayor Pratim Burton East.

So it actually works because you know, to have somebody who's involved who understands.

Thank you for the work.

They the park has also along Albemarle Road, or the the county along Albemar Road, in addition to this park, has acquired land for a library.

I got a library coming down the pipeline.

I mean, there's so many things that are working in tandem with what we're doing on the city side from the parks or from the the Mecklenburg County side that just you know you're making progress across our city.

So, like I said, this is this is great.

I echo the sentiments of council, you know, woman Ashmira, uh park, library, keep it coming.

I thought you said tennis court.

Oh looking here, look you get you I got one of my colleagues here who would like tennis court, hit hit uh, you know, so pull him into a meeting like tennis courts too.

Yeah, yeah.

That's Christmas wish coming true soon.

Yeah, yeah.

But um, just very, very excited.

Thank you guys on the county side for your partnership and your work.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to close public second?

Okay, all in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

Thank you, Mr.

Carmichael.

You stay there because we're moving on to agenda item number 16, petition number 2025043 by the city of Charlotte.

The location is 2.37 acres, located on the south side of Chipley Avenue, west of Paul Buck Boulevard, and east of Munro Road and District One, my district.

The current zoning is in 2B.

Proposed zoning is CAC 1.

Staff recommends approval, and after staff's presentation, Mr.

Carmichael will have you.

Are you not number 16?

Oh, is there no one to speak?

He'd be happy to bill them.

Madam There's no no speaker for 60.

Excellent.

So proceed, please.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The site is under two and a half acres along Chipley Avenue adjacent to the Bojangles Coliseum Complex, just west of East Independence Boulevard there.

Site is currently seven neighborhood T of B and the petitioner is proposing to go to community activity center one.

That is consistent with the policy maps recommendation for the community activity center place type at this site.

This is a conventional petition, meaning we do not have an associated site plan for it.

This is a city-owned property about the Bojangles Coliseum Complex, and the petition would bring the site into consistency with the policy map.

The CAC One Zoning District includes standards to buffer and transition uses adjacent to more sensitive areas like the neighborhood one place type.

There are no outstanding issues, and staff recommends approval of this petition.

I'll be happy to take questions.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Comments.

Hearing none, is there a motion?

Thank you.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That's unanimous.

We will go on to agenda item number 17.

Petition number 2025081 by the city of Charlotte on behalf of Samaritans Purse.

The location is approximately 2.9 acres, located on the west side of Nations Ford Road, south of Red Roof Drive, and north of Forest Point Boulevard and District 3, Miss Brown's district.

The current zoning is IMU.

Proposed zoning is OFC.

Staff recommends approval of this petition.

And again, there are no speakers, so please proceed.

Petition 2025-081 is approximately 2.9 acres located on the west side of Nations Ford Road.

South of Red Roof Drive and north of Forest Point Boulevard.

Site is currently vacant.

Current zoning is IMU.

Proposed zoning is OFC Office Flex Campus.

2040 policy map recommends the innovation mixed use place type.

Staff recommends approval of this petition is consistent with the IMU place type.

The OFC zoning district is intended to address large-scale office research and medical campuses that may include some light industrial components with supporting uses primarily designed to serve the everyday needs of employees and visitors.

The site is under common ownership with the adjacent warehouse facility that is zoned I1 C D and recommended for the IMU place type.

Okay.

Move closed public hearing.

Hello, I got ahead of Miss Brow.

Thank you so much for your presentation.

I just saw on here I watched it.

There was no no one at all that showed up for the community meeting at all.

I know it's still submarines bars.

Is within the vicinity.

Zero, right?

That's correct.

There were there were no okay.

Miss Ajmir.

So thank you.

This rezoning petition is on behalf of Marathon.

So this is the city of Charlotte is the petitioner.

Is it so?

I'm just trying to understand the relationship there.

Sure.

Um there was an issue that the petitioner encountered in the permitting that we discovered was a bit of a mix-up uh that occurred with the text amendment.

So this is uh an effort to um assist the petitioner or assist the property owner with their um development intentions.

I just want to so there was an issue in the text amendment.

So if you can just elaborate on that, I'm not following there was an issue with uh petitioner was they they previously rezoned two years ago.

Okay.

Um they were kind of caught by a text amendment.

And would we take the blame?

We did not connect those dots.

Got it.

So it's sort of like correct.

We're trying to correct that issue.

Okay, I got all right.

Move to close second.

Okay, all in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item uh 18, petition number 2024 141 by NVR Inc.

The location is approximately 107.3 acres, located northwest of North Tryon Street, southeast of I-85, and south of West Mallard Creek Church Road, and District 4, Miss Johnson's district.

The current zoning is CG.

IC1 and N1A.

Proposed zoning is into BCD.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon outstanding issues related to design.

And after staff's presentation, we will have Mr.

Carmichael.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The site is 107 acres of vacant land in the university city area.

Generally located among commercial multifamily and campus uses, serviced by multimodal transit options.

The site is predominantly zoned institutional campus one and neighborhood one A, with a very small portion of the site to the southwest zoned general commercial southeast, sorry.

The neighborhood 2B is the proposed request for the site, which is consistent with the policy maps recommendation for neighborhood two.

The proposal is for up to 575 townhome style units.

Access to the site will be provided via Berkeley Place Drive, Solerno Drive, and Emerald Cove Drive.

Accessible curb ramps would be reconstructed at the intersection of West Mallard Creek Church Road and Berkeley Place Drive.

And the pedestrian signals would be made accessible.

The traffic signal at this intersection will also be upgraded.

And the northbound left turn lane on West Mallard Creek Church Road will be extended.

A minimum of 5.3 acres on the site will be dedicated and conveyed to the county for a future public park.

And two access trails from the new public right-of-ways on the site will be provided to connect to existing greenways along the southern portion of the site.

The proposal includes enhanced open space commitments to ensure each unit can readily access open space areas and that these areas are adequately amenitized.

And it provides preferred architectural and design details that are also committed to throughout the plan.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of a couple of outstanding issues related to site design.

The proposal is consistent with the policy maps recommendation for a neighborhood too.

And it's in an area that can generally support a multifamily product given its proximity to activity centers containing goods and services for future residents.

It also has proximity of transit, including the blue line, and connections to existing greenways.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Crommicha.

Thank you, Madam Mayor Pro Tim, members of council, members of the zoning committee.

I'm John Carmichael here on behalf of the petitioner.

With me tonight are Scott Mundy of the petitioner and Sean Thule with land design.

As Holly said, that site contains about 107 acres, it's located at the southern terminus of Berkeley Place between I-85 and North Trime Street.

This is an aerial of the site, it's undeveloped.

You've basically got all apartments and to the north and northeast of the site, except there is a parcel owned by Novant Health.

To the south of the site, you've got apartments, uh townhome community, and one uh single family detached residential community.

So from a contextual standpoint, land use standpoint, we think the proposal is consistent with what's around it in terms of surrounding uses.

The sites currently zone N1A, IC1, and CG.

The request is to go to N2B to accommodate a community that would have up to 575 townhome units.

The overall maximum density would be 5.36 units per acre.

As Holly said, the rezoning request is consistent with the adopt up policy map, which recommends, which is a excuse me, places the site in the N2 Place type, and the parcels to the north and south are located in the N2 Place type or in a neighborhood center place type.

This is the site plan.

You'd have vehicular access from Berkeley Drive, Salerno Drive, and then from Emerald Crove Drive to the south.

Approximately 40 of the 575 townhome units will be located south of the creek.

A maximum of 20% of these units could be front-laded, front loaded units.

The remainder would be rear loaded or alley loaded units.

Each unit would have a garage, and then amenitized open space will be dispersed throughout the site.

Then Barton Creek Greenway connects to the Mallard Creek Greenway on the site.

Additionally, as Holly indicated, about 5.3 acres, a minimum of 5.3 acres of the site would be dedicated to the county for a future public park.

There'd be two access trails from the residential community to Mallard Creek Greenway.

You can access University Place, which is the mixed-use development to the south of the site via the Barton Creek Greenway, and you can also access the JW Clay Boulevard Transit Station utilizing Barton, uh the Barton Creek Greenway.

It's about a half a mile walk to that transit station.

Um the community, the the community amenities, the greenways and the public park would provide, we think wonderful recreational opportunities.

There's a lot of tree savers you can see.

University City Partners has issued a letter of support that we'll provide to you.

We appreciate the plan staff's recommendation of approval, and we'll resolve the outstanding site plan issues this week.

Happy to answer questions.

Okay.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Ms.

Johnson.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim, and thank you, John, for the presentation.

Thank you.

Um, I look forward to the University City Partners letter.

Um if you work with John before, he does a great job in reaching out to the council member and to the community and really bringing quality development to so I appreciate the five acres dedicated to the park and you know accessing the greenway, and I'll look forward to the letter and then we can talk more offline.

I don't have any thank you, madam Miss Brown.

Oh, what could real quick I'm sorry?

Can you question you mentioned one single family neighborhood?

Was there any neighborhood opposition to the petition?

So it's it's called Well One.

It's it's um but we had a neighborhood meeting, 22 people attended and um I think they had some questions and some concerns, but Scott Mundy had subsequent conversations and meetings with them.

It's it's um, but we had a neighborhood meeting, 22 people attended and um I think they had some questions and some concerns, but Scott Mundy had subsequent conversations and meetings with them, and um they were they have a concern about the quality of Emerald Cove Drive, but there are only 40 homes that would access Emerald Cove Drive.

I will tell you to be uh totally transparent.

Uh there are only 40 homes that would access Emerald Cove Drive, but we are dedicating we the petitioner would dedicate right away across this creek for a future connection to built be built by someone else, not the petitioner, presumably the city, at some point in the future, that would allow a car to travel from here on the north uh west corner of the site across the creek to Emerald Cove Drive, so that could increase traffic on Emerald Cove Drive.

I don't know when if that would occur, if ever, but the right-of-way was requested to be dedicated by CDOT, and the petitioner agreed to do that.

Um but we did have a meeting, it was very active, and then Scott has had individual meetings with those neighbors since the community meeting.

So I I'm not aware of any opposition, but I can't look at you and I and tell you there's not any.

I'm not aware of any opposition and the neighbor, the residents from Wellwyn, they're welcome to reach out to me and we can talk through that.

Um, but uh we can talk more offline.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, Miss Brown.

So um Council Member Johnson, I know that I've echo you with Mr.

Carmacker.

I've done a lot of work with him over the last year and a half, and he's been consistent with you.

Uh thank you going out in the community, representing your people, making sure that you're transparent.

You're you're just amazing.

So I just want to say thank you.

Wow, you are you've uh you've been a joy to work with.

Thank you very much.

Or the record.

I feel the same way about y'all.

Thank you.

All right.

And last mayor.

Yeah, thank you.

I I think uh we appreciate the kind of petition you bring forward.

Okay you put in a lot of due diligence before it comes forward and you try to address it.

You certainly appreciate that.

I think it doesn't go unnoticed.

Um, but I look forward to continuing to work with district council member Johnson on this debug.

Am I turning red?

You're not just a little bit John has been doing this for 20 years.

Uh 24, yeah.

Okay.

So you're 29 now.

That's right.

All right, move to close.

Second.

All right.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That's unanimous.

Thank you.

And thank you all for coming out.

We will move on to agenda item 19, petition number 2025 009 by Davis Moore.

The location is approximately 40.43 acres, located on the east side of Johnson Road and South Side of Providence Road West, north of Donnington Drive, and District 7, Mr.

Drick's district.

The current zoning is INSTCD, proposed zoning, INSTCD, SPA.

Staff proposes, staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation site and building design.

And after staff's presentation, we will have Miss Grant join us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Petition 2025-009.

It's partially developed with a hospital and medical offices.

Current zoning is I is institutional conditional.

Proposed zoning is institutional conditional site plan amendments.

Actually, scratch that it should be campus place type, the uh teal colour.

The proposal is for an additional 56,000 square feet in medical office uses for a total of uh almost 107,000 square feet of medical office uses, as well as 48 beds and 13,000 square feet of additional health institution uses for a total of 216,000 square feet.

Uh would maintain previously approved development standards, including setbacks, permitted use limitations, architectural standards, and environmental features.

Uh would also maintain approved transportation commitments with a conversion of the right in right-out access on Providence Road West and access A to an unsignalized crossover with a westbound left turn lane with 100 feet of storage on Providence Road West.

Staff recommends approval of the petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation and site and building design.

It is consistent with the campus place type and would allow for uh minor increases in square footage to already permitted uses.

I'll take any questions following the petitioners' comments.

Okay.

Welcome, Miss Grant.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mayor Pro Tem, members of council, members of the zoning committee.

My name is Bridget Grant.

I'm a land use consultant with Moran Van Allen.

John's a hard act to follow, but I'll do my best.

Here tonight on behalf of Davis Moore as well as Novant.

This is really just a testament to how well the hospital is doing this location.

You can see on this aerial, everything is fully built out on the site, except we've got a building pad that's there that was anticipated for us to expand the hospital and the facilities.

As staff mentioned, it's fairly narrow in the focus and the scope of the rezoning.

It's really about two things.

We'd like to be able to add 56,000 square feet of additional medical office, 13,000 square feet and 48 beds to the hospital functions.

Other than that, everything on the campus is going to stay the same.

The tree save that's between the existing residential or on along the periphery of the site all remains intact.

Um this really just gives us the ability to add a new building along the site's frontage.

And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Okay.

Mr.

Drake's not a question, actually.

Just want to note we appreciate Novant's investment.

Um we knew that uh that more was going to be happening at this location, so it shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody.

It was really, as I recall about CONs and things like that.

Correct.

And so we're just realizing the full extent of what was discussed before.

And again, I think residents will be grateful to have this option, this medical facility option.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Is there a motion?

Second.

All right.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That's unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item number 20.

Petition number 2025 034 by VR Homes LLC.

The location is approximately 6.20 acres located south of Allison Lane, east of Allison Woods Drive, and west of Providence Road, again in District 7, Mr.

Drick's district.

The current zoning is in 1A.

Proposed zoning is in to B C D.

Uh staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation, site, and building design.

After staff's presentation, we will have Mr.

Brown again.

Thank you.

Petition 2025-034 is approximately 6.2 acres located on the west side of Providence Road, south of Interstate 485 and east of Allison Woods Drive.

Site is uh mostly wooded and occupied by three single family dwellings.

Current zoning is N1A.

Proposed zoning is N2B conditional.

The 2040 policy map recommends neighborhood one place type.

The proposal would allow for 79 multifamily attached quadruplex, triplex, and duplex units.

Buildings could contain a maximum of six single family dwellings and maybe a maximum of 140 feet in length.

Up to four buildings could contain six dwelling units.

Building height would be limited to 48 feet.

Blank wall expanses on corner and unit facades facing public streets be limited to 20 feet.

Committing to internal tree plantings along private alleys at a 40-foot spacing.

Committing to providing amenitized open space that will include at least four of the following elements.

Enhanced planting in excess of minimum standards, specialty paving materials, shading elements, seating options, a minimum dimension of 30 feet in all directions, and decorative lighting.

Would implement an eight-foot planting strip and eight-foot sidewalk along the sites Allison Lane and Allison Woods frontage, as well as an eight-foot planning strip and twelve-foot multi-use path along the Providence Road frontage.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation and site and building design.

The petition is inconsistent with the policy map recommendation for the N1 place type.

The portion of Providence Road Corridor, this portion of the Providence Road Corridor hosts a number of commercial uses, institutions, and moderately dense multifamily projects among other residential projects.

The petition provides a transition between the community activity center of Providence Road and the less intense residential areas to the west of the site.

The petition proposes a mix of residential housing types, including multifamily attached quadruplexes, one duplex, and one triplex.

The petition's building forms are consistent with those seen in the adjacent multifamily attached development to the west, zone index one.

The site is adjacent to a community activity center.

It is not accessible to pedestrians due to lack of sidewalk connectivity.

We'll take any questions following the petitioner's presentation.

Thank you, Mr.

Brown.

Mayor Pro Tim, Council Members Colin Brown on behalf of the petitioner of Vir Homes.

Uh this is a site, this is the hard corner of Providence and 45.

A site we've seen everything develop up around it.

And I gotta say, you know, we've been watching this site for years, and I have to tell you, I thought it would be something much more dense uh than this proposal.

So I think that's pretty welcome for folks in the community.

I spoke with council member Driggs several months ago before he filed, and I think it was fairly welcome news to him.

So uh happy to have staff support on this petition.

Again, that there is there's the look.

That's the 45 ramp.

Um so to see someone coming to build uh kind of medium density uh for sale your you know townhome type housing here.

Um I think that's a good opportunity for the community.

We are having some ongoing conversations with some of the neighboring property owners here, but I think everyone realizes that this site is going to develop.

I think they're fairly pleased uh that it is medium density.

Uh again, happy to have staff support.

We are a little bit challenged.

Staff is asking us to find a connection, uh, PED connection or Providence Road.

That is a struggle for us for um the topography and engineering reasons, but we'll continue working with them and folks in the community and um happy to answer any questions you have.

Okay.

Any comments?

Moved to closer.

Well, I have a question, I'm sorry.

Okay.

I I I just want to talk about again cumulative impact, and I and we will definitely follow council member Drake's lead on this, but I noticed that the capacity for Audrey Kale uh with this with this petition.

I know that too.

It says 151 percent.

Yes, we just rezoned to two years ago that high school right up there.

I think that is probably not the current number.

So I was I saw the same thing you did, and I I'd be very surprised with the new high school that's still the number, but we can check into that for you.

Okay, yeah, if you can do that because there's another one in district seven, and it also says 151 to 152.

So that's just an example of how we're not getting the information.

I'm sorry to cut you off, but I saw the same thing and it looked funny to me.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Closed.

Second.

I have a motion and second.

All in favor, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item number 21.

Petition number 2025 040 by TDC Greenville LLC.

The location is approximately 2.21 acres located west of Statesville Avenue, uh, north of Callahan Street and south of Romeo Alexander Road and District 1, my district.

The current zoning is MUD CD.

Proposed zoning is MUD CD SPA.

Staff recommends approval of this petition.

And there's no uh uh speaker signed up, so we will have staff's presentation.

Um petition 2025 040 is located on the west side of Statesville Ave.

Site's approximately 2.21 acres and is currently undeveloped.

It's currently zoned MUD CD, mixed use development district conditional, and the proposed zoning is MUD CD SPA, and that is a site plan amendment to the existing zoning district.

2040 policy map recommends the community activity center place type and the mud district is consistent with the CAC place type.

The 5.28 acre site was rezoned to Mud C D to allow the development of multifamily project with up to 250 units.

Uh the maximum height was limited to 65 feet with the exception of this area along Calhoun Street.

Or Callahan Street, excuse me.

Um the plan also committed to affordable housing standards.

Um this site plan amendment calls for increasing that maximum height in this area from 45 feet to 55 feet and also revises the affordable housing standards.

The new standards for affordable housing provide at least 10 affordable units, five for households earning between 60 and 80 percent AMI and five units for those earning between 80 and 100 percent AMI.

Staff recommends approval of this petition.

The site aligns with the policy map recommendation.

Sites located in an area that's been identified as lacking housing opportunity.

Affordable housing commitments are proposed, and the site plan amendment doesn't alter the number of units approved under the previous plan.

And the sites also serve by transit.

I'm happy to take any questions following Mr.

Jackson's presentation.

Thank you.

Just want to verify with the clerk because I on my list I do not have anyone signed up to speak for this particular petition.

There are no speakers for this agenda item.

Okay.

Okay.

Um just wanted to verify that.

I will say that you um I'm very familiar with this particular project.

I've actually been out to the site to view the site.

Um I think it's in a isn't a good location, and uh there are a lot of positive attributes for this.

My only question would be, and I'm uh Mr.

Oliver, I'm not sure if you can answer the question, but there's only one there was only one attendee for the neighborhood meeting.

So are you were you a part of that neighborhood meeting?

I did not attend the neighborhood meeting.

They do provide a community meeting report.

Um, I don't know every detail off the top of my head, but um, as you imagine, uh you we we let everyone know within every property owner within 300 feet of the site, so um there's a good chunk of that radius that's not necessarily houses.

Sure.

Sure.

Um, nevertheless, I am familiar with it.

This particular petition and this particular project, so thank you.

Are there any additional comments?

Move closed.

Second.

All right.

All in favor to close public hearing raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

We will move on to agenda item number 22.

Petition number 2025 046 by North Way Homes LLC.

The location is approximately 0.17 acres located west of Tappen Place, north of Heron Avenue, and east of the plaza and district one, my district.

The uh current zoning is CG.

Proposed zoning is N1C.

Staff recommends approval of this petition, and after staff's presentation, we will have Mr.

David Murray.

Thank you.

Thank you.

This site is just under 0.2 acres, located just east of the commercial core of the plaza, along Top and Place in an area that's generally pretty residential in nature, uh though it is just east of that commercial area.

It is currently zoned general commercial, and it they are proposing to go to neighborhood one C.

This is consistent with the policy map's recommendation for neighborhood one in this area.

This is a conventional petition, so there is no associated site plan.

Given that it is consistent with the policy map's recommendation for neighborhood one in this area.

It brings the site into consistency and also compatibility with the surrounding single family character of the neighborhood.

Uh, generally, that commercial designation on the site doesn't make as much sense uh given that we are looking at a residential core of the neighborhood rather than being located along plaza itself.

So we believe that this is an appropriate shift to bring the site's entitlements into alignment with the surrounding zoning and away from commercial.

And I'll take any questions.

Okay, Mr.

Murray.

Thank you, Mayor Prime and Council.

I'm happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Questions?

Second.

Thank you.

All in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That's unanimous.

Thank you, Mr.

Murray.

We will move on to agenda item number 23.

Petition number 2025, 048 by Castle Bridge Residential Development.

The location is approximately 7.96 acres, located south of Sunset Road, west of Gutter Branch Drive, and east of Oakdale Road in District 2, Mr.

Graham's district.

Current zonings in one A proposed zoning in 2ACD.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design as well as transportation and a requested technical revision.

After staff's presentation, we will have Ms.

Grant join us again.

Thank you.

Thank you.

This site is just under eight acres on the south side of Sunset Road and Charlotte's extraterritorial jurisdiction.

This portion of the Sunset Road Corridor has a mix of multifamily and single family residential development.

Site is currently so neighborhood one A, and the petitioner is proposing to go to neighborhood 2A conditional.

And that's consistent with what was approved recently and just to the west several months ago, which was a neighborhood to a conditional request as well, as you can see on this map.

This is inconsistent with the policy maps recommendation for neighborhood one at this site.

The proposals for up to 80 townhome style units, a minimum of 50% of the buildings across the site would have no more than four units per building.

So that's sticking more to in one building forms.

Connections will be made to the public streets that are proposed or existing to the east and west of the site to so to the N2A to the west as well as the MX that's to the east.

A 12 foot shared use path would be provided along Sunset Road.

The proposal commits to preferred open space standards to ensure amenitization as well as minimum dimensions.

Architectural standards exceeding UDO requirements are also committed to.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues.

The site is directly abutting developments of similar residential product types.

And although it's inconsistent with the policy map, it fits a number of the items that we look for in a place type change for two neighborhood two, including its location along an arterial being situated among similar N2 developments and located near a designated activity center among other items.

And I'll take questions following petitioner comments.

Welcome, Miss Grant.

Okay.

Thank you.

Mayor Pro Tem, members of Council.

Again, Bridget Grant, land use consultant with Moran Van Allen.

Pleased to be here on behalf of Castle Bridge Residential.

Also with me tonight is Matt Langston with Landworks.

Polly did a great job describing the site as she mentioned.

While it's inconsistent with the adopted land use policy, the site is currently wrapped with townhome developments on both sides, and we are happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Any comment?

Move to close.

Second.

All in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you, Miss Grant.

We will move on to petition uh number 2025 049 by High Street District Development Inc.

The location is approximately 32.35 acres, located east of Trivi Village Boulevard, south of North Tryon Street, and west of Hoodspith Road in the ETJ, closest to the County Commissioner's District 3, Mr.

Dunlap's district, as well as uh District 4, Miss Johnson's district.

The current zoning is N1A.

Proposed zoning is in to ACB.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation and site design.

After staff's presentation, we will again have Miss Grant join us.

Thank you.

Or stay there.

This 32-acre sites located in the northeastern portion of the county near the Cavaras County line and an area with a range of multifamily and single family entitlements at varying stages of development.

Site is currently zoned neighborhood 1A, and they are proposing to go to neighborhood 2A conditional, which is inconsistent with the policy map's recommendation for neighborhood 1 of this site.

The proposals for up to 190 townhome style units, a minimum of 50% of the buildings would contain four or fewer units, with no more than 10% of the buildings have having six units, which is the maximum or most intense building type allowed on the site.

Access of the site will be through extensions of existing and proposed public streets, which stub to the site, including an extension of the existing Travis Village Boulevard along the southwestern edge of the site.

The petitioner commits to dedicate and convey a minimum of one acre to the county for a future public park on the eastern portion of the site.

The plan includes preferred site design and architectural standards as well as enhanced open space notes for amenitization as well as minimum dimensions.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of a couple of outstanding issues, which the petitioner has already begun addressing with us.

The petition would expand the proposed public street network in the area and is nearby commercial entitlements.

And the proposal includes a commitment to future park land, which future residents on this site and nearby projects may access.

And I'll take questions following petitioner comments.

Thank you, Miss Grant.

Good evening.

Once again, it's a pleasure to be here.

I'm here on behalf of High Street District Development with Tom Burr, who's with me tonight, as well as Eddie Moore with McAdams representing us on the design side.

We appreciate Holly's recognition that though this is inconsistent with the adopted land use policy.

It's adjacent to multifamily that's under construction as well as other townhome development.

And so essentially our site is central and to the middle of all of that.

We'll be working with staff to address any of the outstanding issues related to the site design.

And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

I apologize, the clicker's not working.

Okay.

Okay, Miss Johnson.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim.

I would like to see a map of the approved and by right development near this area.

I know it's in the ETJ, but it is near District 4.

When we when I talk about cumulative impact, I want to bring your attention to the uh District 4 petition.

Um item number 18.

That had an impact on Julius Chamber High School.

I think that it would increase to 128 percent capacity, and this petition says the same thing.

Although the earlier petition had 575 multi-units, and this one has 190.

So this is just another example of how we're not considering these petitions and the impact on infrastructure and schools cumulatively.

So I and the and the residents feel it.

So I would like a map um of the pending and approved and buy right development in this area so that we can take a look at this.

Thank you.

Yep, I'll provide those maps.

Move to close.

Thank you.

Um, all in favor, please raise hand.

Any opposed?

Thank you.

We will move on to agenda item number 25.

Petition number 2025 uh 050 by Charter Properties Inc.

The location is approximately 11.45 acres, located on the northeastern corner of the intersection of Steel Creek Road and Brown Greer Road in District 3, Miss Brown's district.

The current zoning is N1A.

Proposed zoning is N2B.

Staff recommends approval of this petition, and after staff's presentation, you will have Mr.

Carmichael.

Thank you.

Site is vacant and currently zoned N1A.

Proposed zoning is N2B conventional.

The 2040 policy map recommends the N2 place type.

Staff recommends approval of petition as is it is consistent with the N2 Place type recommendation.

The proposed N2B zoning is consistent.

Uh, also with a recently approved rezoning for a large mixed-use development just to the north of the site.

And I will take any questions following the petitioner's comments.

Thank you, Mr.

Cartmichael.

Thank you, Madam Mayor.

Uh Madam Mayor Pro Tim, members of Council and Zoning Committee.

I'm John Carmichael.

Um here on behalf of the petitioner with me tonight is John Porter with charter properties.

As Joe said, the site's about just under 11.5 acres, northeast corner of Stroke Creek Road and Brown Greer Road, which are both state-maintained major arterials.

Uh this is an aerial of the site.

Uh this is a zoomed-out aerial, and it's for the purpose of showing you basically some existing nearby developments.

Bearwick Town Center is located to the northwest of the site.

There's additional commercial to the to the north of the site, and then you've got Pringle Square Apartments to the east of the site.

The site is currently zoned N1A, and you've got muddo zoning to the north, O2 C D to the northeast, R 12 MFC D to the east, and then N1A to the west and south.

The request is to resonate the site to N2B to allow uses allowed in the N2B zoning district on the site.

This is a conventional rezoning request.

The adopted policy map places this parcel in the neighborhood to place type.

So the rezoning is consistent with the policy map.

This is the approved rezoning plan for the parcel, the parcels to the north of this rezoning site.

The rezoning site is here.

It is outlined in green.

There will be pedestrian vehicular connectivity, or there would be from this site to the development to the north.

The development to the north is approved for a variety of uses, including office and medical office, a community hospital, commercial uses and residential uses.

So the N2 B uses that would be developed on this site would be supportive of that mixed-use development to the north, and also there'd be a lot of internal connectivity.

So you could leave this site, travel through the parcel to the north and get to Berwick Town Center or the other commercial to the north without without having to get on Steel Creek Road.

You would have to cross Steele Creek Road to get to Berwick Town Center, but you could do so at signalized intersections at Shopton Road West and Dixie River Road.

We met with the Steel Creek Residents Association on May 13th, 2025 to share the proposal, and then they were they as you probably will know they respond with an email and give the board's position and the board's position is that they are not opposed.

We're happy to answer any questions that you may have.

We appreciate staff's recommendation of uh approval.

Okay.

Miss Ashmer, thank you.

Did you say the board was not opposed?

Not opposed, yes, ma'am.

So did they issue or did they be issuing a letter of support?

But that was so I and I can share this with with Councilmember Brown.

There's they they send you an email following the meeting with their their position, and I'm happy to afford that.

Sure.

That comes from Abdul.

So I look at this rezoning petition, they're about 11 and a half acres.

And I see it's conventional.

I'm just trying to understand how the decision was made to have it as conventional versus conditional.

Sure.

It's it's consistent with the the recommended place type, which is into the requested zoning being into B.

Yeah, we that was the reason it was because it's consistent with the policy map.

Yeah, um, I know this is not a small site, so I like to see a site map, but again, this is up to the district council member, I'd be following district council members closely on that.

I'd love to hear uh district council members' perspective on this, uming that it's it's conventional, so we don't have a site map.

Uh that's all I have.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Miss Brown.

You that's not okay.

Yeah, so thank you, uh, Mr.

Carmichael.

You are engaged with Steel Creek Residence Association, which is going to be um well-rounded and beneficial for the the community.

And I know that we do not have a site map yet.

Um is there any talks about what it may look like for me?

Well, um, at a but since this is conventional rezoning, and I'll miss Hagler Gray may want to interject.

We do have we do know what we want, or excuse me, the developer knows what he wants to do, and in a neighborhood meeting or at a meeting with Steel Creek, you can show what his intent is.

But legally, we couldn't do that here.

I got you.

We can meet with you offline.

All right, no problem.

Steel Creek knows, so we'll we'll get with them.

But I have no other questions.

I I'll just reach out to Steel Creek Residents Association.

You said that they support it.

Well, the the way they phrase it is they're not opposed.

No, no, they're not opposed means that they support it because if they was opposed, they would be clear it.

Right.

It it's yeah, and I'll forward this email to you.

Okay, thank you.

Happy to do it.

I have no further questions, Mayor.

Thank you, Miss Molina.

Um, and it's not traditional to speak after the the district rep.

I just I want to make sure that I'm clear in again.

I'm always trying to look for those opportunities for public consumption.

Tell me for public consumption conventional.

What does that mean?

Conventional means that the petitioner is requesting to develop under a specific zoning district with no additional conditions.

Okay.

And that means we can see what they're going to do or not see what they're going to do.

We can look at the the UDO and we can look at the district that they are currently zoned.

We can look at what they are proposing to go to, which has a list of permitted uses and development standards.

So that means based on what the you know axed amount or the acts uh zoning type is, they'll have a list of permitted uses that they have to stay within, and they don't actually provide us what you would say a picture of what that would look like, but we got some guidance based on what the zoning type is.

Is that am I saying that right?

Correct.

There'd be the the uses will be limited to what is allowed in that specific district.

Um they we held all the development standards of that district without further parrying it down in a conditional plan.

Okay.

And in a conditional plan, they would actually be saying to us, this is what we do, this is what we intend to do, and there would likely be some type of condition that they would impose or be willing to.

Can you give me that in comparison, please?

Right.

It could be a a limit on uses.

It could be uh a specific number of a specific use, square footage or units.

Um it could have transportation commitments.

Um right, but and in a conventional, it is simply just we would like to rezone to this district and develop under the standards of this other district.

Okay, thank you.

Because a lot of the times when we're talking to community members and we're saying all these terms and stuff like that.

I mean, they even sometimes we right, we got to come to y'all and ask y'all to kind of break it down.

If we don't know, I remember when I first started, I had no clue what any of that meant.

So I can't even imagine our poor residents out there, like, okay, they're hearing all these terms and things, and it's could be confusing.

So thank you for giving me that.

That's all I have.

Ms.

Hagler Gray, did you have a comment?

I think I think uh Joe pretty much covered it.

Um I just wanted to make sure we were answering your question that anything allowed in the district is what is possible for the potential site when you have a conventional plan.

So it's limited to what is allowed in the district.

Um, but everything in the district is under consideration, so which is why you don't have a specific site plan.

That's good.

That's that's that's that's really good to know.

Thank you so much for that.

Okay.

Um okay, hang on.

All of a sudden everyone wants to stop on this.

So Ms.

Johnson.

And then I have Mr.

Driggs.

Okay, sure.

And then I'll come back.

Just to clarify to our city attorney, you said anything allowed in the district.

You mean anything allowed on that site or that area?

Anything allowed in the UDO, any loop any uses allowed in that particular district in the UDO.

Okay.

So she she doesn't mean just our district, our seven district, you mean anything around.

No, I'm sorry.

That's somebody here that's not just the district.

I think that's our clarification.

But um the reason it can be confusing because we don't know, and I asked this question at the noon meeting when I was talking to Dave and Monica, when it's a conventional versus conditional.

And one thing about conventional, it doesn't allow, and correct me if I'm wrong, it doesn't allow us to work with the developer to get these type of concessions for the residents.

We're limited on the input when it's a conditional.

So we as council members um I'll speak for myself, frown upon conventional uh petitions, especially in residential districts.

In district four for certain, right?

I think you all know that.

But when is when do when are we as a city allowing conventional?

I I would hope that we're um that we're allowing that less than conditional, just because these developments do have such an impact on current residents.

Yeah.

So Ms.

Johnson, I just want to make sure that we're we're not uh intruding on any of the petitioners' rights.

And so if they have a right to um to submit a uh conventional petition, they have that right to do so.

And I just want to make sure, Miss Hagler Gray, that we are we can walk that line of of inquiry, but we want to make sure that we are not um somehow putting um a color or a light on one particular petition or another.

Um yeah, I I think um council member Johnson, if you're just asking in general um when um staff may be more supportive of conventional versus conditional, I think Dave can answer that question.

Thank you for understanding.

Thank you.

Did you ask he's gonna answer?

Yeah, we can jump in and provide a response.

So particularly when we look, uh give this petition as an example.

Uh Joe had mentioned that it is consistent with the policy map, so we know that our policies that we adopted uh looked at this area and identified this as a spot for multifamily, whether it be townhomes or apartments.

Uh so we take that into consideration knowing that we've already kind of viewed that and and had community input on that outcome.

Uh we trust in the development standards in the UDO.

We know we're gonna get road connections from uh Ollie Drive, which is just next door here, so we're gonna get a continuation of that street network because the ordinance requires that.

Uh so when we look at these starting out as uh you know coming in for the pre-sub and somebody says, hey, we want to go conventional, is it consistent?

Yes, so we take that into consideration.

Are there land uses around it that are uh compatible or similar in nature?

In this case, we have townhomes next door to a large mixed-use project which will provide connectivity as well.

Uh so land use impacts on adjacent properties are fairly minimal and they're consistent with those types of development outcomes that are already next door, so we don't have you know single family directly next to it or on the other side of it where we might need different buffers and those types of things.

So we take all that in consideration and we you know let the petitioner know, yeah, this is probably a candidate to start out conventionally, but we also give them full transparency that as they talk with the community, as they talk with the district reps as they talk with other folks uh that are involved in the project.

If they start to see that conditions are warranted, they could always pivot uh and and add those conditions.

But in a petition like this where we see it's consistent, the the land use impacts are fairly minimal to those adjacent properties.

So we take all that in consideration and we you know let the petitioner know yeah this is probably a candidate to start out conventionally but we also give them full transparency that as they talk with the community as they talk with the district reps as they talk with other folks uh that are involved in the project if they start to see that conditions are warranted they could always pivot uh and and add those conditions but in a petition like this where we see it's consistent the the land use impacts are fairly minimal to those adjacent properties we know what our standards are in the UDO we trust that we're going to get some of those outcomes that we talked about we're still going to look at transportation impacts in the permitting side of things because that's also now a requirement of the UDO stormwater stuff will get captured because those those standards have been enhanced in the UDO as well that gives us a little bit more comfort with some conventional petitions when they kind of meet some of those criteria that we uh you know start out with and that's consistent overall with that policy map so that's a little bit of of how we look at that uh and how we go through that process.

That was good.

Okay thank you and and we spoke earlier and one of the things in our book it's it's notated when it's conditional but it's not notated when it's conventional correct so um rather than us assuming if you could help to highlight I think that that would make it easier.

Yeah yeah we can look at I know there's tabs that separate each of your petitions in your notebook maybe on those tabs next to that petition number where it can just say conventional or conditional that's something that we you know can certainly look into when we print those books out for you so and I think when we send out some of the information you know over the weekend that we usually do to help you guys prep the some of that information does also have a column that says if it's conventional or conditional as well so that's always a place to check but we can certainly look to see if there's a way we can put those tabs in the notebook that say you know C D or conventional or C V or something like that for you guys.

Well I appreciate it thank you.

And and thank you for listening your team you and Alison you know I've been talking about QR codes on rezoning signs for a long time and those are going to be effective this month.

So I appreciate the way you all listen I'll use that as a plug too we'll be in front of TPD in September to talk about some of those process improvements that we've got uh including some changes to the staff analysis and things we're doing to enhance engagement notifications so uh stay tuned for that it'll probably be some updates in September and then again in October so thank you.

Okay I have Mr.

Driggs and then Miss Brown okay thank you Mayor Pro Tem uh it's funny going back over time this is it's really complicated.

We've had situations where you could do something conventionally however it wasn't going to be a gas station or or uh whatever um and the irony to me too is the goal of the UDO was to simplify all of this and we were trying to get to a place where a lot of this was more programmatic and that level of discomfort though still remains that we always had that you're approving something and you're not quite sure what that could be and we don't like to let go.

Yeah and and that's really that's what we're doing but um we do have to deal with these as they come to us in the context of where we are with our rules and so on so they're allowed to apply for a conventional rezoning and then of course it could be up to us to decide whether or not to approve it so uh that's where we are I just leave it at that but that there are little there are more intricacies that I remember that we could sometimes get into uh permitted uses optional uses and and sort of qualifications in each case thanks okay Ms.

Brown thank you mayor post him so Ms.

Carmichael thank you again for um coming before us with the petition I do want to thank council member johnson for digging deep though because I took a lot of good notes here and I think it's important for us to be able to break down what exactly is happening for those that are watching that may not understand sometimes it gets complex with the UDO and tax amendments and all those things so it's it's a it's a joy to know that the history that you have not just in district three but as a whole with working on your petition that you are as transparent and you'll go back and forth and you'll dig and you do the work and so it's it's just a joy to know that with the district three reps knowing uh as representing for the district three map knowing that the Steel Creek Registration is very active in the community it's good to hear that.

So I just wanted to make sure that I understood exactly what was going on and now I do so thank you so much.

All right I move to close second all right all in favor of closing public hearing raise hands any opposed that is unanimous thank you.

We will move on to agenda item number 26 petition number 2025 053 by David Poolin.

The location is approximately 34 point zero three acres located north of Apple Mar Road west of Novot Health Parkway and east of I 485 in the ETJ closest to Board of County Commissioners District 4 Mr.

Durrell as well as uh Ms Molina's district 5.

Proposed zoning is B1 C D SPA and O2 C D SPA.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of requested technical revisions and after staff's presentation.

We have Mr.

Pullman with us.

Thank you.

Thank you.

This site is just over 34 acres on the north side of Albemarle Road in an area where we have quite a few institutional uses as well as some multifamily uses and vacant parcels.

This is for a site plan amendment to a plan most recently from 2014.

It was petitioned 2014-Sierra 69, which was for B1 conditional and O2 conditional zoning for up to 117,000 square feet of medical office uses as well as some general office retail commercial establishment uses and it has a hot hospital on the site.

So currently built out, we have a no bunt hospital and some medical office along the Albemarle Road frontage.

What they are proposing to do is a site plan amendment.

Which is just modifying within uh conditional notes and increase the square footage within that B1 conditional portion of the plan along Albemarle Road, the medical office square footage, so increasing that from 37,000 square feet to 59,500.

So it's a pretty small change overall, especially when you consider the overall allowed square footage across the site in 2014 was 117,000 square feet.

Staff does recommend approval this petition.

It is consistent with the 2040 policy mounts recommendation for the campus place type.

We just have a couple of very minor technical revisions to clean up.

This does keep the sites entitlements consistent with what's already approved on the site and allows for continued investment in critical health care infrastructure.

And I will be happy to take questions after petition or comments.

Thank you.

Good evening.

David Powellin with V3 representing Novant Health, and I'm happy to answer any questions that council may have.

Thank you.

Any questions?

Only a comment.

Miss Molina.

Thank you, Mayor Pratim.

I just um I'd like to again highlight that this area um is um the 485 area.

And I remember when we were talking about from a land use perspective, um with favorability and development.

This is one of those areas that is um based on road use, highway use, proximity to a highway, all of this area has over the last decade just exploded with you know um retail housing, they're just you know developments.

Um but I think the the good thing that we see and and especially with putting a hospital there, right?

Um is is something additional that the residents in the Far East area can access.

Um, but in addition to you know, now a hospital use, like I said, there are restaurants, there are all of these different amenities that are kind of happening concurrently, which is heartening because you know, I don't know if you were here earlier, but in another area of the what we call the Far East, out by you know, Plaza Road extension and plot road, they got a very different reality.

You know, but my imagination says that those humans, when they need like you know, medical service.

Now they have a place where they don't have to go all the way up town to get this service.

So, you know, I'm I'm just heartened to see some of the developments that are out there, and that's really just the only comment that I have.

So thank you so much.

You're easy out here.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to close public hearing?

All right, all in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That's unanimous.

Thank you, sir, for being with us this evening.

We will move on to agenda item number 27, petition number 2025 054 by Bispacus Property Group.

The location is approximately 1.08 acres, located east of Little Rock Road, south of Queen City Drive, and north of I-85 and District 3, Miss Brown's district.

The current zoning is in 1A A and D O and proposed zoning is C G A N D O.

Staff recommends this approval of this petition, and after staff's presentation, we do not have a speaker for this particular um agenda item.

Thank you.

Let's let's proceed.

Okay.

All right.

Um five four.

Um acre located on the east side of Lowalk Road.

Properties currently zoned N1A A and D O.

That's uh the neighborhood one airport no noise disclosure overlay.

Proposed zoning is CG and DO, general commercial airport noise disclosure overlay.

2040 policy map recommends the commercial place type.

CG district is consistent with this place type.

This is a conventional rezoning petition.

There's not an associated site plan and would permit any use allowed in the CG zoning district.

Staff recommends approval of this petition as the proposed zoning is consistent with policy map recommendation.

Sites located near I 85 in an area that's dominated by auto-oriented commercial uses and a rezoning would eliminate residential entitlements on a parcel that may be undesirable for housing due to the high intensity commercial corridor environment.

I'm happy to take any questions following Mr.

Fields' presentation.

Thank you, Mr.

Fields.

My apologies.

I had an older version of the speaker's list.

Of course, welcome, and you have three minutes.

Thank you, Mayor Pro Tim and Council and Zoning Committee.

I'm Walter Fields representing the petitioner in this matter.

I recall finally when Mayor McCrory would tell me I had three minutes, but I didn't have to use them all, so I won't.

We appreciate the staff's assistance in and working with us on this petition.

This is a little orphan parcel that for some reason got completely surrounded by all sorts of highway oriented business uses and yet remained with a residential zoning classification.

That's a sort of a cleanup petition consistent with the adopted plans of the city for this area.

And I'll stop at that point and see if there are any questions that I can answer.

Thank you, sir.

Any questions or discussion?

Close.

Second.

All right.

All in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you, Mr.

Fields, for joining us this evening.

We'll move on to agenda item number 28.

Petition number 2025 055 by Portia Thomas.

The location is approximately 0.52 acres, located north of Parkwood Ave, east of Allen Street, and west of Pegram Street and District 1, my district.

The current zoning is NS.

Proposed zoning is in C C D.

Staff recommends approval of this petition.

And after staff's presentation, Ms.

Thomas will join us.

Thank you.

Right.

2025 054 is located on the north side of Parkwood Ave, and it's about just a little over half an acre.

Current zoning is NS neighborhood services, which is a conditional zoning district.

Proposed zoning is NCCD, neighborhood center conditional.

2040 policy map recommends the neighborhood one place type of the site, and the NC district is inconsistent with this place type.

The proposal permits the development of principal and accessory uses allowed by right and under prescribed conditions in the NC neighborhood center zoning district, but prohibits certain uses that may be incompatible with the surrounding neighborhoods, such as automotive-oriented uses, such as vehicle fueling facilities, dealerships, car rentals, parking lots as a principal use, just as an example.

Staff recommends approval of this petition as the current zoning of NS permits a range of uses that are consistent with those allowed in the NC district.

The site is also served by transit in a short walk from Greenway.

Thank you.

Welcome, Miss Thomas.

Thank you.

Good evening.

I'm the owner of Greenburgh Properties, and I appreciate being here.

Thank you.

Was there any pushback or concerns that the residents raised?

The biggest feedback, I would say the majority of everyone except for one person.

I'd say probably well, he there was a family member there that supported that.

They were mostly the opposition was mostly concerned about just getting a general zoning for the other two parcels.

I had an idea for what I was going to do with one parcel.

And so they were just concerned that a general rezoning would limit them from having having any feedback around what was the intention behind the project.

So I reassured them that I was hopeful to be able to work or possibly partner with a builder around this project, so I would be personally involved, and I'm still committed to to doing that with the right hire for that prop for this property.

Got it.

And did you have any interaction with the neighborhood associations?

The neighborhood association that did push back was the Belmont Association.

The Villa Heights Association, which is the neighborhood that it's residing in, we're fully supportive.

Okay.

All right.

Excellent.

Any additional questions?

Close.

Second.

All right.

All in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Any opposed?

That is unanimous.

Thank you, Ms.

Thomas, for coming out this evening.

And that brings us to our final agenda item.

Agenda item number 29.

Petition number 2025 056 by Del Ray at Providence Road West LLC.

The location is approximately 10 acres, located on the south side of Providence Road West, west of Brinefield Drive, and east of Sandstone Crest Lane and District 7, Mr.

Drake's district.

Current zoning is N1A.

Proposed zoning is in to ACD.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design.

And after staff's presentation, Mr.

Brown will close us out.

Thank you.

Current zoning is N1A.

Proposed zoning is N2A conditional.

2040 policy map recommends the neighborhood one place type.

The proposals for a community of 110 multifamily attached residential units as well as accessory uses.

Building height be limited to 48 feet.

Buildings would have a maximum of five units per building.

Usable porches and stoops will be a predominant feature and would have be at least six feet in depth.

A 25 foot class B landscape yard will be located along the southern property boundary, and a 10-foot landscape area along the eastern property boundary with one evergreen shrub every five feet and one large maturing or two small maturing trees every 50 feet.

Street trees will be provided along internal alleys.

Petition commits to having all units uh having access to Providence Road West via an internal sidewalk network.

Implement an eight-foot planning strip and eight-foot sidewalk along the Providence Road West frontage.

Site will have two access points.

Access A will connect to a new north-south public street extending through the site.

Providence Road West will be widened to accommodate a westbound left turn lane into the site at Access A.

And access B would be a right in right out onto Providence Road West.

Staff recommends approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design.

Position is inconsistent with the policy map recommendation for the N1 place type.

However, it's located in an area with a range of multifamily and single family housing types with pedestrian access to commercial nodes.

This petition proposes residential uses consistent with the surrounding development.

The site is less than one mile from a neighborhood center.

It includes commercial medical and personal service uses.

I'll take any questions following the petitioners' comments.

Thanks, Staff Mayor Pro Tem, Council members, Zen Committee members, Colin Brown on behalf of the petitioner Del Ray.

This property is literally touches South Carolina.

Uh so it is about as far out as we can get uh on Providence Road West.

Appreciate staff's overview, um, even though it is inconsistent if you look at the map, kind of everything fronting Providence Road West is already in two.

Uh I think this medium density uh town home uh product makes sense.

We appreciate staff support.

We continue to have conversation with the neighbors.

Uh I've got a meeting with an adjacent property in there tomorrow, really to talk about the buffer treatment uh between our site and the single family homes.

Joe mentioned we're already exceeding the ordinance standard.

Uh so I'm just gonna see if there are any site particulars we need to be aware of.

Happy to answer any questions.

Thank you.

Ms.

Johnson.

Oh, go ahead.

I'll close.

Okay.

Thank you.

I just wanted to say for the record that this is another this has 110 residential unit, and the impact on schools is Audrey Kale to 150 to 152 percent.

When I talk about cumulative impact, we actually have closer to 900 units in this area that would impact seemingly impact the school schools to a higher capacity.

So this is the kind of example that I've talked about when I the residents feel it, although we're looking at them independently.

We've looked at three petitions and they all say we'll increase the capacity to 152 percent in uh at Audrey Kale High School when it's actually a total of 875 to 900 units that would have a higher impact.

And I just think it's we're gonna confirm that number.

I'm not sure if that factors in the new um Ballantine Ridge high school.

Whether the numbers right or not, it's the the math is not mathing, right?

Like we're using the same number for all of the petitions, and there's a a total of eight hundred and seventy-five units.

So what I say when I say cumulative impact, how are we considering if this but if petition A, B, and C are approved.

Where are we getting the information on what the actual impact is to the school?

Thank you.

Mr.

Driggs.

So I will just know we had a presentation by CMS some time ago about how this actually works and their process.

Uh and in fact, the capacity calculation is kind of interesting.

You need to study it.

It's not just uh there aren't any more seats.

They take the teachers and they take the utilization of the classrooms.

Um but the one thing I would caution against, as I said earlier, was we cannot involve ourselves in the the CMS thing.

We cannot regulate the growth of the city based on the existing capacity or even the planned capacity of the schools.

Uh I think we know there's 2.9 billion dollars in investment that's already underway by CMS.

But uh I just have a concern that uh um we need to stay in our lane, as it were.

So we need to think about appropriate land use CMS and uh the schools need to figure out how to serve the people that choose to live where they choose to live.

Otherwise, we're basically setting ourselves up to allow the growth of the city to be dictated by the capacity of the school system, and it's supposed to be the other way around.

The city grows and the school system expands in order to accommodate the growth.

So uh we if this is going to be a big issue, we need to study it more carefully, and I suggest that we engage with our colleagues on the school board to uh I guess align what we're seeing with what what their plans are, but they do actually have a detailed process for doing this analysis, existing capacity, expected uh need and so on.

She does have in part to do with the fact that the lead times, like we'll approve something now, it could be two or three years before that hits.

So they are in fact looking ahead, and they're saying that in two or three years we have to be at such and such a place based on what we know.

Um anyway, it's a long conversation.

Uh I had a bunch of questions I wanted to ask, but uh uh I think what I'll do is move to adjourn to close the hearing and adjourn.

Thank you.

Mr.

Driggs, I I did just want to add to your comment because we did have CMS come in a while ago, and maybe it might be beneficial to have them come back and present um how they do their utilization calculation as well as some of the new schools that are planned to come online.

We've referenced this new high school, Ballantine Ridge that we know is um planned to be in the pipeline to come online.

So perhaps they might have some information to just share with your committee, Mr.

Driggs, again, around their um around their utilization calculation and the frequency of it because they do it a couple times uh more often than we initially thought.

So we were surprised by that last term.

So that might be helpful.

Excuse me.

I did just want to add one thing on that spotlin.

Um I want to make sure that we're clear with ourselves and our constituents that it's not the other way around.

We don't build and then the school system figure out how to fix it.

Part of our responsibility as we consider the factors for zoning is population and it is anticipated growth, so we don't get in the situation where our schools are overcrowded.

That is absolutely within our lane.

So I just want to make sure that for for those around the stacks and those that are listening that we're clear that our job is to consider population growth and its impact when we're making zoning decisions.

We don't leave it to the school system to figure out on the on the back end.

And can I just say Ms.

Chubb?

Yeah, and if if that's how Mr.

Drake decides to leave, then that's his personal um decision.

But again, I think we it's responsible that we consider the impact on school schools and the cumulative impact on infrastructure and all of that.

So you know we we each lead our own way.

Thank you.

I had a motion to close public hearing.

Yes.

Second.

All right.

All in favor of closing public hearing, raise hands.

Yes.

Any opposed.

All right.

All in favor of adjournment.

Yes.

First, second.

Please go home and thank you.

Please get out of here.