Good afternoon, everyone.

I now call this agenda meeting of the Chattanooga City Council, Tuesday, October the fourteenth, twenty twenty-five to order.

Thank you for being with us.

Whether you are here in person or joining online.

Thank you, Councilman Henderson.

You want to hit my luck for me?

Oh, yes.

Thank you, ma'am.

This evening I wanted to uh recognize and remember a true patriot that passed away on Friday.

Benny Ray Adkins, which many of you may know, uh passed away on Friday.

Ray was uh was a dear friend, uh devoted military man and man.

In fact, he served our country uh in the U.S.

Army and the reserves and retired uh with the rank of lieutenant colonel after 36 years of service.

Um he earned the veteran of the year award in 2017.

Uh he was honored with the hometown patriot award in 2018, uh, and he was honored by the Tennessee General Assembly with the Ray Adkins Interchange out in Lookout Valley at X at Exit 174.

Uh he served on a couple of boards here in the city, served on the IDB board.

Uh he also served on BOZA, uh, which he was at the October 1st meeting this of this month.

Uh he was uh really one of the most faithful uh committee uh members that we have ever seen.

Uh and I just wanted to honor him uh this afternoon if with a moment of silence.

If you would uh let's just bow our heads and and remember uh Ray Atkins for just a moment thank you, Madam Vice Chair.

Thank you, Councillor Henderson.

Um also while we're doing that, I think this would be a good spot to also uh recognize that we also lost Lehman Pierce on Saturday councilman here for the city.

How many times did he serve?

Um not quite sure.

I think maybe two.

At least two.

Yeah, at least two.

Um a great advocate for our uh community and city as a whole.

So if we will um remember him in a um moment of silence.

All right, thank you.

Okay, so we have no special presentation today.

Uh so let's council family.

You have received the minutes from the last meeting.

Uh, are there any corrections?

If so, please hit your light.

Councilman Henderson, is that your light still on from the last?

Okay, all right, thanks.

Okay, seeing none, may I have a motion on the approval of the minutes?

No.

Okay, I have a motion of proper second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

The minutes are approved as submitted.

Let's take a look at today's agenda.

We have ordinances on the final reading, none ordinances on the first reading.

We have public works, wastewater.

Have any questions or come in?

Please hit the light.

Councilwoman McBurris.

Thank you, madam chair.

I would um I mentioned this at the meeting last week, and under planning, I've asked Jack McAfee with the Chattanooga Airport to make a presentation on their project at the airport today, and he is here today to make that presentation for us.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, planning, take a look there on the resolutions, council office.

Any courses of concern, please hit your light, economic development, mayor's office, public works.

Okay, I see a couple of lights.

Okay, um Davis.

Thank you, Vice Chairwoman.

Um, on item nine C under economic development, uh, the resolution stating intent to consider an economic impact plan authorizing a tax increment incentive.

Uh, this is the Northgate project that we're familiar with from a couple weeks back.

Um, I do intend when that comes up for a vote to make a motion to approve that resolution.

Um, I certainly appreciate all of the thoughts and comments that you all shared a couple weeks back.

Um I know there are some concerns uh that that remain, and I think several of us up here have heard from constituents about this project.

But uh I think it's important also to remember at this point a vote for this resolution is to allow the process to continue for the discussion to continue, um, particularly at the economic development board and with the application review committee underneath that board.

Um, and I think it's equally important for concerns and and thoughts to be heard in the public meetings that they'll hold.

Uh so I would just ask at this point that you support that resolution and allow this this discussion to continue.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Council Mahinderson.

Uh thank you, Count Um Madam Vice Chair and Council.

Um Councilman Davis, thank you for that.

Um I have received uh several uh ironically um probably more so than the stadium uh emails, text, phone calls with concerns about this particular TIFF.

Uh Sharita, I've I do have a couple of questions that and I know I understand that we're really voting on sending this to the IDB for the economic impact plan, but as I've said before, when this rock starts rolling downhill, it's uh you know it picks up momentum usually.

Um we've seen nothing in writing that that I'm that I'm know of.

But anyway, um is there anything have we discussed like how soon after this TIFF, if it gets approved, how soon the infrastructure infrastructure project will start?

It is anticipated.

Um Sheree Dallan, senior advisor for economic development and work first development city of Chad New Yeah.

It's anticipated that the project would start January 1 of 2027.

And would would that be in writing?

I mean, will that be in the documents?

That would be in the development and financing agreements, and so what would happen is the first vote is getting the TIFF uh the proposed TIFF in place, and then after that, there's the economic there's the development and finance agreement agreement that comes next.

And so that would come before this board in December.

That cover before this council.

This council, my apologies.

That would come before this council in DC.

I mean, and that at that time would include the January 1st, 2027.

That would be the economic impact plan.

That's a legal document that spells out all the parameters around the proposed tax increment financing district, and then once that's in place, there's a following development and financing agreement that says this is this is what the construction looks like, and here's a time frame on that.

I keep hearing some reservations and some concerns coming from the county part.

Does this project depend on county participation?

Uh this project does not depend on county participation.

So it would go forward without county.

The the way the City of Chattanooga TIF policies are written, the city cannot encumber county taxes.

The county has to decide to participate through a resolution.

I understand that, but I mean the project still viable even if the county doesn't participate, is I guess my question.

We have not we have not made that determination at this point.

So the county participation is roughly 1.5 million.

If the county chooses not to participate, we still would go through the process, and I think that is part of the application review committee, and then the economic impact plan to determine what the what the type, what the project looks like and what the number projections are with the county increment removed.

Okay.

Uh that's my question.

Thank you for that.

My my next question I think would maybe be more directed at the city attorney, but but you may be able to answer this.

I raised a question last week or week before about collecting sales tax for this particular project.

Have we got Mr.

Attorney a definite ruling that says it is permissible to collect sales tax on this particular project?

I made that request uh at the IDB meeting here.

Council that is helping us with this matter, Miss Betsy Knotts.

Uh don't think that's her coming in the door right now.

No, but uh is on her way here today, and she will provide more information about that.

But um it is the opinion of their office and they were involved in the drafting of the statute there for Basperry and Sims that this is allowed under Section 315 of the provisions under uh financing by the IDB.

It is not uh an ability for the the city to do, but it is an ability for an industrial development board to consider industrial uh the sales tax inclusion.

She says that that has been included in certain developments that have occurred here in Tennessee as well, uh, outside of Hamilton County to this point.

Uh at our presentation last week or whatever it was, I think you gave about four or five examples of malls that have been redeveloped with TIFFs.

Did any of those capture the sales tax revenue or was it all?

No, sir, those did not capture sales tax.

They didn't.

They did not, they had large enough TIFF districts that they use a property tax increment from from their larger TIFF district.

Okay.

All right.

I'm good.

Thank you.

Yeah, Miss Knox is prepared to talk about that a little bit as well on there today when she comes.

Yes.

Councilman Clark.

Uh thank you, uh Chairwoman normal pause and think about my notes.

Sure, I have a question in regard.

I actually have two questions.

One will be for uh the mayor's office later regarding uh some of the appointees to the application review committee.

Um I need more information, understanding what we're voting for today, uh, to kind of piggyback Councilman Davis's comments regarding if we vote for economic development or what the resolution with the attempt to consider an economic impact plan that then goes explain to me what the process is and how it ends back to the city council to approve and what we're doing tonight exactly.

Sure, if I that's a great question.

So the the City of Chattanooga TIFF policies were put in place to allow transparency around every step of the process.

And what that means is the process goes through three different legislative bodies.

No one body is able to approve a TIFF in Chattanooga, as opposed to some other municipalities that send their TIFS directly to the IDB, and the IDB has the authority to encumber both city and county taxes in some of those municipalities, which means they have an application, they have a public hearing, and then they vote on the economic impact plan, and then they do a development agreement all in one body.

The city of Chattanooga, when it originally put policies into place, chose to split that between three bodies.

And so what that means is the application starts at the IDB, and then the IBIDB says I've accepted an application and I'm going to send it to the city council to say, would you would you like to continue this process and review it?

That's the step we are here.

And then the city council says, Yes, we intend intend to hear this item.

It sends it back to the IDB, and the IDB has an application review committee.

All of these are out in the public.

The application review committee contains seven members.

One um one is um city, one is technical chamber of commerce.

You have two that are appointed by the mayor, you have two that are appointed by city council, and then you have two representatives from the industrial development board.

They hold an advertised application review committee meeting that's held in the Collins conference room that's just down the hall, and then after that, they go through the entire application process.

The developers there, all the attorneys are there, any of the financing or uh consultants that help with the financing, they're in the room as well.

Press typically attends, they go through all pieces of the application, and then any answers, any questions that come up must be answered before the economic impact plan is presented back to city council.

So that economic impact plan will also be reviewed as part of that application review committee, and then any questions or concerns that come up must be answered before it then comes back to this board for approval.

So the way our process is set up, every step is out in the public, every step is transparent, all the documents are advertised and published, and all of the comments and questions and issues must be incorporated before it goes to the next step.

And so where we are is the this this council deciding whether it wants to continue the process and have the application review committee review the application, it's a its attachments, and then the economic impact plan, answer any of those questions, and then it send it back for review.

And so this process typically takes us about four months to get through.

So it's anticipated, we're looking at December 2nd, 3rd that week for the vote here.

Keeping in mind, should the county decide to participate, they have steps that are in there as well where they have an intent to review the application as well.

Or an intent to review the economic impact plan.

They do not review the application.

That application review committee was a process that the city put in place, and so that's only city only.

So basically, uh Ms.

Allen, if city council does not approve for this application to be reviewed by the application review committee, which is a subcommittee of IDB, is that correct?

The so this council would be would be approving the intent to continue the process, and so that sends it to the application review committee.

Which is under the industrial development board, is that correct?

It is held under the industrial development board, but the appointees are not industrial development board members.

Gotcha.

So would that be considered a subcommittee of the industrial development board?

It would not scale.

What do you mean by held?

Uh it just hosts the it just holds a publicly holds the meeting.

Sends the notices.

Okay.

So the with permission of the chair to proceed with more questions.

Yes, councilman, you have my permission.

Thank you.

Um Ms.

Allen, additional follow-up questions regarding the vacancies of the application review committee.

You just to clarify, there are seven members.

Correct.

Two that are appointed by the city council.

Correct.

And there are three vacancies currently on the application review committee?

There are proposed members that are to be appointed today.

They're on the agenda, and that fills those seats.

Those are three positions under the mayor's office.

How long have they been vacant?

So typically what happens with an application review committee is it is appointed and is for an annual term to serve for any TIFFs that come up during that calendar year.

And so there has not been an application review committee since the last TIFF that was approved.

I believe that was the BIN TIFF.

So that predates me.

Which would explain why we have three applications in preparation if it passes beyond council today, these committee members would need to be in place to hear the application.

That's correct.

Proposal possibly in December.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Thank you.

Okay.

Um last question, Madam Chair, I'm sorry.

Yes.

Thank you.

The from as a new council person and to Councilman Henderson's point, we've gotten several phone calls regarding concerns and support.

And I support Councilman Davis' plans to develop Hickson, just like we would develop Highway 58 or Woodmore tips I've requested, and maybe tips in other areas.

My question is is that just for educational purposes for the record, typically we have used TIFFs as a way to spur development.

There's current development already happening in Northgate on that site.

Correct.

And I I and I think for me to feel comfortable proceeding, I'd like for you to explain why this is special when we've only used TIFFs to spur development.

And what is how is this equitable to other areas such as mine that are waiting on TIFS, i.e.

for grocery stores economic development on Highway 58, when this area already has development in motion, and why does this not feel like a development like for spurring development rather than most?

I don't want to use the word bailout, but I need to understand what the difference is and why this TIFF is being used on a project that has current development and why we're departing from our normal template of what we use TIFFs for.

Great question.

I mean I will break this up into the Madam Chair.

Thank you, Councilman.

Okay, and so three points.

The first one is there is current development on a site that has had a steady decline in both sales tax and property tax.

And there's a developer at the table willing to take the risk to put in the infrastructure to take this declining site back to its highest and best use.

So the the current development that you're seeing on the perimeter is development that is limited to what I would call small scale development based on the existing outdated sewer that's in place.

And so if you think we want higher and best use development, that is larger scale development, it could be housing, it could be hotel, it could be major retail, it could be town center with sidewalks, infrastructure, landscaping, walkable community, all of that is highest and best use, but that only happens with updated infrastructure to support that.

Right now, there is not infrastructure in place to support that type of development, which is why you're seeing the limited development on the perimeter.

The interest from an economic development standpoint is to take a large parcel, a large asset that historically has generated significant sales tax and property tax, which goes into our general fund, which funds citywide services.

That has been steadily declining.

The goal from economic development is how do we partner with the developer on a developer backed TIFF to bring that back up to highest and best use to generate more sales tax, more property tax, which feeds into our general fund.

That is very different from what we've done in the past.

And so that's why we're bringing this forward.

Again, it is in several sort of regional RPA plan, several plans that call for redevelopment of Northgate, and redevelopment looks like a lot of things, and so this opportunity presented itself.

There could be opportunities that come down the pike that present themselves.

But this was one just from a timing standpoint that came to the table, and that's why we're bringing this proposal forward.

Not really, but please proceed with some additional questions for council members.

That we could have in public, but I want to be respectful of my colleagues' time.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Councilwoman Burris.

Thank you.

Is that correct?

That would be their property tax increment, yes.

The property tax increment is that equal to what the cities would be?

Uh the cities is a little more, only because the city does the the sales, the the county withholds their schools taxes.

So what would the cities increase before I heard a little bird whisper in my ear?

Oh yeah.

3.5.

Okay.

3.5.

Thank you, Winston.

And if the if the county does not contribute, will the city have to be on on the hook for the 1.5?

No, the city would not.

We would still have, but we would still be three.

That's correct.

We we are limited because we have that service that we have to maintain.

We have other the entire property tax piece does not go back, only a portion of that.

So we would still maintain the portion that we're obligated by law to keep.

Okay.

And tell me again, you I'm sure you've already said that, but sometimes I have to hear it three times.

Uh the 3.5 million would come from where that is um that is the property tax that is from the TIFF district.

Okay.

So if again, if you're looking at the base taxes, those would still be paid, but any incremental growth, that incremental growth is what would come back that would fund reimbursed for the infrastructure.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes.

Okay.

Uh Council Mahendison.

I want to follow up with something that uh Councilwoman Burrs just asked.

If the county doesn't participate, I mean, basically, we're committed for 20 years, up to $9 million, correct?

Correct.

So we're basically if the county doesn't participate, then it's gonna all be all be city dollars that we're on the hook for, whether it takes 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, we're now on the hook for the nine million.

The the city would be obligated to reimburse the developer for the infrastructure, correct?

Yeah.

I mean I just didn't want to think in the 1.5 or something that was coming from the county was coming from somewhere else.

That's still that's still gonna be coming from the city.

It just may take longer, correct?

Well, when I say longer.

Up to to the either nine million or twenty years.

So at the end of the day, making sure that we understand we are still like the negotiations happen when we get to the economic impact plan.

If that 1.5 million is removed, that will be reflected in the economic impact plan.

So how the developer will handle that and what the reimbursements look like, that comes into that legal document that's the EIP that we would eventually get to November, December.

But that still looks like nine million or twenty years.

Correct.

My understanding is yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

I I don't know if that helps.

I just wanted to make sure that that 1.5 wasn't coming from that.

You thought it was gonna come from somewhere else.

Yeah, the city is not making up the deficit should the county decide not to participate.

Okay.

Are you good, councilman?

Thank you.

Okay.

Councilwoman Burris.

Yeah, I I may just uh set a time to meet with you offline because I don't want to belabor the conversation.

I'm still confused about the financial part of it, but we're uh I may be putting the cart before the horse because we haven't seen the economic plan yet, so we don't know the full scope of it is correct.

All right.

And and that's our that's unfortunately that's the process that we designed in our TIP policies.

And at some point we would like to go back and review those so that we're bringing those documents to you at the beginning, as opposed to how it currently is set up to break it up into different pieces.

Yeah, I think the thing that that I don't want to be caught with is we have a couple weeks to make a decision, and we're just now seeing what the economic development plan is to make a decision if we're going to commit to nine million dollars over 10 years, 20 years, whatever.

That's where I'd I'd I'd rather us not be put in that position.

So I'm I guess I'm trying to get as much information up front so that I can be processing it now versus us being given just a short period of time to make that decision.

So any information that we can have on the prediction of what it's going to be, I think would be helpful for me to have time to think about it and and understand where that money's coming from and how that impacts other tax dollars that we hoped to collect to pay for other things that we voted on.

Uh I think it's been a couple months now, but voted on uh a month and a half ago for other things, other projects.

Perfect.

And so the next step would be October 20th would be the proposed application review committee.

That would be hearing the application and the draft economic impact plan.

It's a public meeting.

There's a recorder that will be there that will take notes.

Um all of that information will be made available to the council well in advance of the December 2nd vote on that, and then November 3rd, there would so October 20th is the committee.

November 3rd would be a proposed public hearing that would be held on the item, and then the item would come to this board, this council December 2nd.

So between October, we're saying 27th, we may be able to have the court reporter's notes, everything incorporated to get the council documents so the council is able to answer, have any questions answered before the public hearing on November 3rd, leading into a vote in December.

Okay, and all of those meetings are public, so will we get that schedule so Nicole will Nicole get that scheduled so she can send it out to us?

I will send it to thank you if we want to attend the meetings and can.

Oh, perfect.

Yeah, thank you.

Okay, good council Gorman.

Councilman Burns, are you?

Oh, yes, I am okay.

Thank you.

All right, Councilman Clark.

Thank you.

Uh Chairman Winnow will last question straight as a follow-up.

Thank you, Councilman Burns, for those uh questions.

Those were similar.

It feels like we were putting the wagon before the horse by asking us to consider the intent without the economic impact plan.

Um you're about to say something.

Thank you for that.

Some of that is is because of the way the process works and the expense the most of the expenses in drafting the economic impact plan happen because it includes outside consultants and attorneys.

And so rather than have a company go through the process of at this point, eight thousand dollar application fee, ten thousand dollar third-party review, and then the attorneys associated with drafting drafting the legal document that's an economic impact plan and the supporting financial review of that.

That's where our policies are set up in such a way that it's okay, city council, counting commission.

Do you intend to hear this before we take we go through this rather lengthy expensive process?

If not, then we won't go through that process.

But if so, we'll move forward.

And that's what now it makes sense.

Of course, American capitalism, right?

We're like, oh my, why are we doing this before it's a money thing?

Uh I have struggled with this, and I think you know why.

And mostly because I I'm looking at this through a lens of equity.

Sure.

I hear things from the presenter last week when we use words like declining site, or could be.

Meaning we don't, we have not been presented with a plan of what the large scale development it is.

This could be, could be, could be, we could vote to support the infrastructure, and it could not be put back into that site.

And that makes me very nervous.

The second thing is that we talk about the steady decline in sales tax.

We don't have to rely on one economic corridor to make up for the sales tax that I'm sorry, CBO.

We're not in the retail business.

You know, we are not responsible for private revenue because of what their declining sales are.

There's other parts of the city, i.e., my district, that would love to generate sales tax for the city, but you haven't invested there, including CBO.

So tonight, I begrudgingly will support this.

But when it comes back to council, we will have to have those equity conversations, and we cannot rely on an area that, in my opinion, that is not a declining site.

When I see culvers, when I see BJs as being built on that, that would be our general a revenue generating source for the city.

I'm concerned from an equity perspective that other areas are being neglected for the opportunities to generate revenue for the city because we're not putting TIFS there.

So I would like to charge your department, and that when you bring these to the council, as my responsibility, my oversight capacity, is to make sure that what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

And I mean that because if my district does not get developed, he is wrong.

And that's just how it works.

And so we have to be equitable in making sure that everybody has the opportunity where we see one area not being developed, but you guys are describing that this is a declining site, and we see ongoing development.

So I'll begrudgingly vote tonight to approve the intent.

But when it comes back to us for final approvers, what you're telling me that the economic impact plan that once is reviewed by the application committee will come back for us for final approval.

I hope those changes will be considered and that your department will start looking into tips for other areas that's been requested.

Thank you for those comments.

I appreciate that.

And so I do want to go back to as far as not knowing what the future investment is.

When the council and the IDB get to the point where the development and finance agreement agreement is put into place, that's where restrictions can be on the type of future development based on the infrastructure that's put in place.

So we have some safeguards there on that side.

And then on the other side, as we start looking at other areas, we've met individually with most of the council members now.

Um we have been looking at the retail corridor strategy.

We're also doing an assessment of the large vacant parcels that are available in each of the districts and looking at what corresponding development should be in place based on the zoning and what that looks like, and then looking at ownership and what's planned for those areas to see if there are other public-private partnerships that can happen in those various districts, keeping in mind we have to have a willing partner, we have to have a developer that wants to work with us and wants to go through this process, which is not an easy process.

But thank you for your comments.

I appreciate that.

Duly noted.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Are you are you good?

Yes, ma'am, thank you.

Okay.

Okay.

So councilman Elliott.

He must have gave a speech tonight while I was gone.

Um I'll say this.

I know uh there's been a lot of confusion thoughts around this project.

Communities weighed in, and I I take an account the colleagues that have been on council uh before me that have gone through their fair share sheriff tiffs and pilots and whatnot.

Um, I do acknowledge that this is the beginning of the part of the process, not part of the process where we have a final vote where it still gives us an opportunity to fill this out to see how this makes sense for this community.

One thing I I don't want to see, I know I do not represent Hickson uh Councilman Davis, but I do not want to see a huge void uh in the middle of something that's so important for the community, but I also want to make sure this makes sense for the city, for taxpayers, for everybody, uh the community as a whole, the uh economic development partners that go along with us, and so I would like to see this continue to play out so we can make sure we get our heads wrapped around what does the final package look like.

I know I still have some questions that uh we're still trying to figure out what could things look like uh based on direction.

So I've just throwing out my two cents.

I'd like to see what this looks like as we continue down this process to give us plenty of time to have those inputs, hear that feedback before we have to make a final decision on which way to go.

So that's all Madam Chair.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Ms.

Alley.

I can sit down now.

No, okay.

Um Attorney Knobly.

Uh yes, ma'am.

And Sharita uh I had uh talked to uh Miss Knotts on the way in here as she was coming, and I told him she was going to be a few minutes late here this afternoon.

And there have been some questions coming up regarding the aspect of the uh aspect of sales tax contribution for this project here.

I believe we've understood that there is a Tennessee Code section 75315 that is in play regarding that.

And if you would give a little bit of information to the council, I think there was some questions about it.

Yes.

Um 753315 is completely separate from the tax increment statutes.

It's standalone authority for jurisdictions that have central business improvement districts created in their jurisdiction to utilize non-advalorum tax revenues for infrastructure improvements.

The statute um was enacted in 2010.

I watched the legislative history related to it.

It came out of um a need in Memphis, so they had some extra revenues uh that were not avalorum that they'd like that they wanted to use for infrastructure improvements, and so this law came out of that.

But the discussion around the um in the legislature when they passed this law was very clear that they understood this would apply statewide and that other jurisdictions would have the option to utilize this tool as well, as long as there was a central business improvement district in the jurisdiction.

So recently, I guess in the last legislative session, the Tennessee General Assembly um broadened the definition of industrial development board projects.

So now we can do projects just for infrastructure improvements.

It used to be, which is why the policies are drafted a certain way, and why we focus on the butt for analysis.

It used to be that you had to have you know a commercial project, and then you would finance the infrastructure with the tax increment as a part of that.

But the infrastructure on its own was not a project under the Industrial Development Board Act.

Now it is.

So you can do tax increment financing just for infrastructure, which is what is going on in this in this TIFF.

Um, but you can also utilize non-abalorum tax revenues like sales tax for infrastructure improvements.

And so this has been done in Galloway.

They recently um are incentivizing a bucky's development there, and they are gonna be using sales tax for infrastructure improvements related to that buckies, and then of course, going back to 2010, multiple um projects in Memphis have utilized this authority.

And obviously, as as TIFF council and bond council, we have to be a hundred percent comfortable with this and opine uh before any kind of closing on this transaction.

Um, and so we have done our homework uh initially to make sure and we are comfortable at this point that there is authority um to utilize sales tax revenues in this fashion.

And I will add, and I shared this with the industrial development board.

Um what's being proposed is conservative.

Um they are tying the amount of sales tax revenues that will be used, um, at least in the proposal, to the area.

So it's not just an arbitrary amount of citywide sales tax revenues being pulled in and utilized.

It's actually tied to an amount that's generated in that area.

So it looks and smells like an increment, but it's not.

And you're gonna give that to at least the city council.

Yes, we can we can have that by the 20th.

We have a working draft, we just haven't we have to redo it so that it's for the city council and not uh a memo to file.

All righty, thank you.

Okay, councilman Elliott.

Uh thank you, madam chair.

Um, one last question, two things.

I'll be all for it if we got a buckies.

So we we can do this tomorrow if you uh you know bringing buckies um I'll drive Hickson.

Councilman, I'll go to Hickson too often.

But I'll go to Hickson for buckies, uh members of Council, Georgia.

Um, but all seriousness, Phil.

Um, yes, if you could help me figure this out.

This is probably not a now thing.

We can probably discuss this um offline, but can we figure out what happens if and if it is possible that uh the infrastructure is uh is abandoned or if it is allowed to be abandoned by the uh private owners and who would that fall to?

Um we can talk about that later, but that's something I'm curious about.

Um, because you know, like if that is something that happens, does it fall on us or does it fall on somebody else?

So we can talk about that later.

Yes, we'll be glad to tell you, madam chair.

Oh, you're welcome.

Okay, so council family.

Are we good?

Everyone good, Mrs.

Alan.

You are so amazing, so amazing.

Okay, so if you will continue to take a look at your agenda mayor's office under uh resolution courses of concern, please hit your light public works planning as well.

All right, I'm seeing none.

Let's take a look at your purchases for today.

Any questions of concern, please hit your light?

See none.

Turn your attention to next week proposed agenda.

Take a couple of minutes and look over that.

If you have any questions or comments, please hit your light.

All right, seeing none.

Look at future considerations.

If any questions or comments, please hit your likes.

Okay, council family.

Are you good?

All right, okay.

So we do have uh committee meeting report.

So I will turn the chair over to Councilman Clark for a very short announcement.

Madam Chair, would you like to give it from a season?

Oh, did you have I'm sorry, Councilwoman Dolly?

Excuse me, of put you on policy.

Thank you.

Councilwoman Dolly.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chair.

I appreciate it.

Uh so much.

I wanted to uh see if we could have a budget committee meeting next week uh to discuss a proposal.

Councilman Henderson had uh spoken to um Dr.

A.

Cuff in regards to uh research proposal that will deal with budget projections and physical health assessment for the city of Chattanooga and wants to see if it was okay for us to have a budget committee meeting next week with Dr.

Acuff uh coming to to share this proposal.

Sure.

Council family have any objection to that?

What does that mean?

We will discuss it next week, and I will send you all the um the proposal as well.

Okay, okay about the index week proposed.

Okay, all right.

All right, are you good?

Yes, thank you so much, manager.

You are so welcome.

So, councilman Clark, do you want to?

Do you mind if I'm seated here?

Oh, you can remain seated.

Yeah, oh no, hold on.

Hold on, councilman Henderson.

We can get the updated proposal.

I'm not I don't know if he will actually be here or not.

He's he's in Germany right now.

But we'll at least have the uh amended proposal that you and I discussed.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

Okay, so it's on our radar anyway.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

Are you good?

I'm good.

Thank you.

Okay.

So, Councilman Clark, I removed the pen.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Um, I would like to commence the um the community development committee meeting from my chair.

That's okay.

Thank you.

But that was your vote.

Thank you.

Um, I guess I do we need to make a motion to approve the minutes from the last meeting?

You do?

Um thank you.

Thank you.

Manage approves.

Um, as many of you know, last week we officially confirmed our administrator for the Department of Community Development.

And throughout that process, even through the budgetary process, there were concerns and a lot of spirit to debate around uh from very valid uh concerns regarding what the efficiency and the effectiveness of how our departments are performing.

Um, and of course, what came up in that was with community development, where we almost took about 1.6 million dollars out of that budget.

Um I believe that performance is based off outcomes and metrics.

Um, and so council family, what I am proposing for the Department of Community Development, and there could be something already in place, and I'm gonna ask the newly uh appointed administrator to come forth.

But in this quarter, what I'll what I will be commissioning um is a document that allows us to evaluate properly review what outcomes are and how we manage and monitor those.