Oh, there she is.

Okay.

I thought she disappeared in the thin air.

Okay, yeah, I'm ready.

Thank you.

I just wanted to work the original book.

We'd like to call to order the passenger vehicle record board meeting for Thursday, November 6th, 2025.

We'd like to remind everyone that the application of the Sunshine Law is in effect.

There are no meeting meeting, excuse me, there are no minutes from last meeting.

We did not have a quarrel.

All right, so uh we have no new driver permits or temporary permits.

We have uh request for driver's permit renewals.

We have one, a William Harris from Mercury Cab.

All paperwork has been completed and fees paid.

Under old business, there's 44 cabs were inspected over two weeks of the annual inspections.

And uh we're still waiting on November 18th of this year for the court date for Mercury CAD versus Mercury Transportation under old business.

And under new business we have a record violation for A1 towing 3610 Calhoun Avenue.

Uh violation of section 35-171 B non-consent towing for private property.

This is a failure to report private property towed to dispatch.

I don't know if you want me to read the ordinance or not.

No, we read it, uh thank you.

Um they are here.

We have a motion to approve Mr.

William Harris uh permit renewal.

Second.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

All opposed.

Motion carries.

Um new business is for the uh violation of section 35-171.

And you said A1 towing is present in special.

Okay.

Uh yes.

Okay.

Anybody that's going to be speaking on this violation needs to raise their hand and be sworn.

Do each of you saw me swear or affirm the testimony you're giving today.

Will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing.

Thank you.

Y'all ready?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

So on 9-802025, the CPD regulatory unit received a complaint from a John Schmeckel who stated his 2008 trooper uh vehicle is illegally sold by A1 towing.

During the investigation, it was found A1 towing followed proper procedure with paperwork, but it's found the driver A1 towing did not report the private property tow to dispatch.

So they were cited for that.

Just for not calling in the uh private property tow.

Hi, I'm Laura Rogers.

Um primary dispatch for A1 towing.

My uh primary responsibility is handling the impound lot calls coming in.

We got this uh citation from Officer Mosher.

I immediately talked with our driver that was subject to this.

Um he um felt like he had done what he was supposed to do.

This came at a time when there was some uh change in the um automated system, but non emergency number, where we had to go through prompts, and there was also a uh online um link that was provided to us to fill out these submissions to submit.

He was in the process of being trained to use that online submission.

He felt like he did it.

There was no record with the police department that it was done.

We could not find a trail on our side.

Um we did note that um during the online submission that the telephone number that it requires, they will send a confirmation to it if it's a cell phone number via text.

If it's done from a landline, if you put in a for example our office number, there was no confirmation that came back to us to know that it was submitted correctly.

That has since been rectified.

I I've noted that now when we do it that we have the option to email it to ourselves or send a text message where we do have a copy of it.

Um that driver was um counseled one on one with the proper protocol.

Uh a memorandum, which I have a copy of was sent to all of our drivers with their initials.

It was added to our um operating procedure that it would be reviewed annually.

They would all have to initial that they've read it, and any new drivers would also have to read it and be made aware of the proper protocol when handling the dispatches.

Um so I have a copy of that.

I also have a copy of how our documentation and tow book will reflect if we call it in the documentation that we put in tow book via the non-emergency number, or we also attach a copy of the email receipt to that documentation as well.

So there'll be an uh running paper trail on our side as well, and I have copies of that if you want to see that too.

But going forward, we were made aware where we flawed.

We've since taken steps to rectify that and feel 100% confident that we won't have this issue again.

And I thank you for letting me speak.

I will add this is their first citation that they have had and I don't know how long.

Twenty-two years.

22 years been in business for citation.

Uh they are a company that I can go to and go, hey, this is what happened, make sure it's corrected, and they they always take care of it.

So inspector, you are satisfied with the changes they've made internally.

I am, yes, because they I think they've gone talking to them, they've gone above and beyond what some other companies might do.

They've they've sat down with their employees, had a little bit better training, sat down and said this is what we need to do.

911 dispatch is changed some stuff, so they had it where you can call in, then they had that the form that they use now.

They didn't have any record of either one of them been done.

I think it was probably a mistake of the the driver of just maybe not hitting a button and submitting or something.

Um I've talked to several of the drivers, like, oh yeah, it's sometimes that when you first time you do it, they say it you really have to pay attention, but uh I'm satisfied with what they've done.

So what is your name?

Mike Simmons.

Mike Simmons.

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We appreciate you.

Thank you.

I've got an email student.

September night.

Yeah, okay.

It doesn't matter.

Okay.

Well, they weren't submitting documentation back.

We got that corrected.

So it was a period of time.

Well, uh, inspector Moser is over there.

Um I was brought to my attention.

I did not approve the September minutes.

Um do we have a motion to approve the minutes from September?

Do we have a second?

All in favor say aye.

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Inspector, um, I think next on the agenda is Mrs.

Parker.

Yes, Janie Parker of uh Moss Delors Towing.

The owner uh has some stuff she wants to discuss.

Yes, Ms.

Coleman.

Sustain them deny the motion.

Okay.

All right.

Do would you like to make the motion, Mrs.

Coleman?

Do we have a second?

All opposed.

Oh, excuse me.

All in favor of no further action.

Say aye.

Opposed?

Motion carries.

Thank you, Mrs.

Are you ready for uh Parker?

Good afternoon.

I'm Janie Parker, and I have a company called Moss Stellar's Record.

Moss Tellers has been in Chattanooga since 1933.

Speak up.

Speak up.

Yes, okay.

I'm Janie Parker.

And I have a company called Mossatella's Record Inc.

And Mossellers has been in Chattanooga since 193.

Um and I'm here to request the record board to look at documents that I've given them and analyze them and see what you think.

But what I think is that I feel that we should go back to the way it was for 60 years, and we don't have one person getting the majority of the business.

The next thing is that I am a minority for the state of Tennessee for the city of Chattanooga, and I've had the Chattanooga contract to how every piece of equipment that they have.

Big, little, small, whatever.

I can haul anything that my competitors can.

I do heavy hall trailers, which is an exception, is the only one of the person that does it beside me.

But I did it long before he did.

And also being an already, which I am, and my certificates are in the paperwork.

You know, I should get a percentage larger than the one I'm getting.

You know, and I haven't, and I haven't thought this all these years.

Representing.

But now business, I'm getting older and I'm thinking about the people that's gonna follow behind me.

And they should not be treated that way.

Nobody should be treated this way.

And I'd like for you to take serious thought about this for me.

Yes, Ms.

Golden Board recognized Ms.

Coleman.

Do you do take a I can't hear you?

I think we do take into consideration everything that you bring to already make.

But um he's not here, and I mean with the understanding that he was gonna talk to the dispatch.

Well, the ordinance needs to be changed back to where it was.

I've got a copy of everything in here.

If it goes back to what it was for 60 years, then everybody will have it'll be first one, second one, third one in line.

The one that's getting the most business has taken his family members that own other record companies and DBA'd them on his corporation in order to get around the law.

So they're running it under his authority, not theirs.

I could go out and DBA every heavy record driver I know.

I could do the same thing.

But I haven't.

I I get us I see the ordinance.

Um but it's about the uh rotor record.

Um I guess my question is I think the last time we spoke about this, um, there was going to be a discussion with uh the person that actually makes the rotation.

Um because I I'm looking at the schedules going all the way back till July, and I can see the disparity that uh Mrs.

Parker's bringing up.

Oh I was when I was looking at it before we started, and I see I do see it going all the way back.

Uh so I don't and I I'm not trying to ask you to answer um inspector off of uh uh but who do we is is it someone in particular that we need to speak with?

Because I know we were talking before, and it was like we'll talk to someone about the rotation.

I can't hear you.

All right, so what is your question?

Are you questioning class C and recovery?

Yes, or are you questioning class A.

Class Class C and recovery.

They've got the rotator.

So if y'all will look at the schedule, the calendar on there, class C and recovery are two different classes.

Recovery to be on recovery for the city of Chattanooga rotation, you you have to have a rotator, a big rotator, big record.

I don't know when this was actually started.

It started before I came into this unit.

I've been there almost I've worked there almost 29 years.

That's the way it's been since I've worked here.

Um so I think she's questioning, and this is something we talked about a couple years ago, changing, instead of having a class C, which is heavy trucks, and a recovery, which is heavy trucks plus rotator, basically making it all one.

I think that's what she's trying to get to.

Is that is that correct?

Right.

Okay.

So she's trying to basically do what we've talked about before when the record board was with the beer board, uh, making that all one class as far as the heavy trucks, the big big tow trucks.

Right now, with the two different classes, every heavy that's on a rotation is on class C and recovery class, except for Mosselers.

They're not in recovery because they don't have a rotator.

Um, but they do have class C.

So what we do is every year, end of December, we go through and make a year-long schedule for every week of each class.

So if you'll look, you'll see one company on call this week for class C.

Next week it'll be a different company.

Week after that'll be different, but just rotate whoever's on the list.

Same earth of recovery, exact same thing.

They rotate every week.

So Monday morning at midnight oh one until Sunday night at 11.59 for that class.

That's who goes and gets these calls.

Now, I do agree with her.

I wish it was all one class.

Where no matter where the wreck is for a big semi or big truck, whoever's on a call gets that call for that whole week, no matter where it's located in Chattanooga or what kind of call it is.

So you take recovery, you get a uh an 18-wheeler flipped over on the interstate at the split, which happens unfortunately way too many times.

That would be a recovery class.

If you get an 18-wheeler that breaks down on the side of the road at the same location, that's a class C.

I didn't come up with it this way that they've done it, you know.

And so for what I'm hearing is that uh my stellar does not have a recovery service.

Correct.

So they would if we if both classes were combined, they would not be on the rotation.

They'll be on rotation for everything.

Right, if the class was combined or combined and classified as what we talked about before we make it a heavy class, heavy being just the big tow trucks, the big expensive tow trucks.

No matter what happens, if they're on call that week, they get all those calls.

Next week somebody else is on rotation, you know.

They get the the calls next week.

So it's it's very simple.

If and this is something we've discussed when I came over and Lieutenant Wood came over when he was a sergeant.

We discussed it with the board.

We was got discussed it with City Hall, and point blankly said you come up, you enforce what we come up with.

Okay.

So the city hall, uh Chris Anderson said he's working on it, trying to go through city council and get that ordinance changed with all one class instead of two.

But as yet is not happening.

Okay, I have a question.

So when we have the thing that you say, I can't hear they rotate out each week.

Can you speak up?

I'm sorry, we can't hear you.

Class C Tony, you said rotate out each week.

Yes.

They they both do, both classes.

When we start on the 28th of July, how we four, 11th, and 20 guilt.

Yates has they have someone for class C.

So let's see, Class Cassidy.

Which I I mean the month of July.

All right, so July, you got Hancock Record as Class C.

The next week you have Guy Yates, class C.

Next week you have Mon Eagle, the next week you have Moss Tellers.

But Mon Eagle is Guy Yates.

No.

No?

No, Mon Eagle is a separate company.

Okay.

And then July 21st, it's Most Tellers.

The next week you got Doug Yates, class C.

And then there's a rotators.

August, you have Yates Tone Recovery class C.

Then you have Don Yates class C.

Then you have Hancock Record Class C.

Then you have Guy Yates class C.

So they all rotate.

Now recovery is the same thing, just different.

Whoever was on call that week.

There are a lot of HL.

So is point back to her point with the Yates company or whatever.

They have split out.

Is that what you're trying to say?

So the family members now split out, so they're rotating family members now too.

Is that what we were saying earlier?

Or am I going to do that?

What they have is Doug Yates.

Twin recovery.

Yates towing recovery.

Don Yates.

Torn DBA.

Okay.

Meaning you are not recovery, but you are DBA D.

Anybody can do that.

Then they got another Yates.

I can't remember his name.

That's on there also.

There's Guy Yates.

So Doug and Guy are brothers.

Okay.

But they got separate authority.

They don't they don't get along, whatever.

So all these companies have been on rotation as long as I've known.

So you've got Doug, who has Doug Yates, and also does business as Don Yates, because he bought Don Yates out.

You got yes toe and recovery, kind of the same thing.

So that's that's who's been on rotation as long as I've been around.

Oh who I'm yes, it's taller cover.

Doug.

Basically Doug Yates.

Oh doing business as Gates Town Recovery.

That's your point.

They're sorry.

They've been like that for as long as I know.

60 years.

I mean, I can see the problem.

So they're they'll argue they've been grandfathered in.

They've argued they've been grandfathered in, is the story they tell me.

I've only been in this unit for three years.

So this board, not y'all, but the previous board says they should have paperwork.

They say y'all should have paperwork.

There's no paperwork.

He said she said kind of thing.

So bringing that to your attention three years ago when we find out about this, they went city attorneys go.

Somebody show something.

Well, let me know what we need to do.

And here we are in 2025, and I'm still yes, board recognizing Ms.

Coleman.

Ah, of course.

Looking at no remember because the passage.

You know it's not us.

Who makes the decision on the third, the 10th, the 17th, and 24th?

Because on the third, we have Doug and Hancar.

Then we have Yates and Doug again.

So why is he two weeks back to back?

No, you have Don.

Okay, Don.

Yes.

Which is then on the 17th, you got done and convenient.

Different, different it's a class C.

Yeah.

I don't really say it's class C.

The 17th, it says class C.

Oh, and then recovery is down below.

All right, so class C is the top.

Okay.

So next week, class C, that's who's on call.

Next week that's who's on call.

Next week that's classic.

Okay.

And underneath, you'll see the recovery.

So it rotates every every week.

I still don't see um.

Well, you gotta go to the next month to get who's on call by the next call on.

So I guess excuse me.

Yes, my question is wouldn't it be easier and I guess more uh easy uh to follow along and fair since everyone has the ability to do both to make that business the recovery and class C for that week and rotate it down?

You're shaking your head now.

It would make it easier if everybody was under one roof, yeah.

One class.

So who makes that decision?

I guess we can city council.

Oh city council.

So we can do a recommendation to the city council.

Absolutely.

If y'all would like to do that, so here's what I was told.

Chris Anderson was gonna go to the city council and get this changed.

Okay.

So if we make a recommendation today, then that would be on the city council's agenda.

That would help.

I assume is that how that would work, sir?

Um yeah, I mean, we can find it.

Yeah, we would make city council aware of your recommendation.

Okay, all right.

Uh do we have a motion to combine both classes into one to uh city council?

That's the second.

Wait, who made the motion?

How was it said?

Who made the motion the motion is to combine both class, class C and recovery into one class and submit it to city council for approval.

Who made the motion?

Uh readiness.

No, I did not.

I'm confused.

No.

Who made the did you make the motion?

No, I did not.

Who made the motion?

I didn't make the motion.

What did I all right?

So we'll we'll go back then.

I would like to make a recommend a recommendation to the city council on making the change from having separate class C and recovery and make it into one.

That's the recommendation to them.

Right.

So do we have a second?

I'll second that.

All in favor of making a recommendation to city council, say aye.

Aye.

Opposed?

Nay.

Recommend a motion carries.

Oh I have another.

So actually, I just uh if you don't mind, excuse me, one Miss Connor.

I just want to hear if you don't mind your thoughts on it.

I don't think it's prudent to make a recommendation to change a city ordinance without having the city ordinance in front of us.

And I mean this board makes recommendations to make changes to the city ordinance, but the city council is who actually makes the change.

And I think what we've seen here today, it certainly sounds like a valid concern, but if we're gonna make a change to the ordinance, we should at least look at it first.

Did he not just explain that?

What's he saying?

I mean the motion passed at this point, it's kind of a new point anyway.

But I do want to you know validate your concern though we have a stuff.

I have a copy, but it's in the copyright.

It was under one roof at one point, correct?

Class C and recovery at one time were combined.

No, no, it's our institution.

Okay, it's always been separate.

But I think we do need to see what we're doing.

Yeah, please approach the podium and the microphone.

Introduce yourself.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Lori.

Mold your left.

That's what we got here is fixing.

My name is Mark Shackleford, Shackletford Recovery.

I'm not in big records.

I've done it all my life.

I've got a lot of experience in it.

Ms.

Parker would agree that I've been in it since I was a youngster in the business.

Okay.

I only run A and D class, so I'm not advocating for her or anyone else, but the train wreck that we're headed to right here is you've got two different classes of tow trucks, okay?

And I think the point that we're all missing is you have recovery class and recovery trucks, which are up to a million of dollars, you know, or more if you want an M100 uh at Miller, and or you've got stickbone uh C class trucks that go out and pick vehicles up.

The differentiator in the ordinance, as it states today, is you know, in them in label uh layman's terms, if it's you know, if it can be picked up without having to be winched off the side of the road or over the guardrail, or significant cleanup has to be done.

That could be done with an integrated record or a stick boom truck, which falls in the C class category.

If it's off the road, inclement weather, you know, other circumstances that would deem you know a bigger truck with better equipment with you know many other facets in that that would that would be in the C class, okay?

And either you you have a C class and you're on a rotator rotation in the C class, or you're in the recovery class and you have a rotator.

So those are the two things that would differentiate what's required in the class along with other equipment that's involved on the rotation rotator class.

Okay.

I personally have already been in contact with Chris Anderson.

I know Ms.

Parker has as well with Mr.

Anderson with the mayor's office to try to solidify some of the issues with our ordinance, okay.

If we back up five years ago or twenty in 2023, I was a spokesman for the record board or for the record industry, you know, to present things to the board that would help change and revitalize our our our ordinance today.

We got the rate increase, and that's what I'm here to speak about today is that finally got passed by city council.

Does anybody know that?

Okay.

Got read twice.

Nothing's on our agenda that shows that we have a new rate schedule, and that's what I want to kind of qualify with you guys and hopefully get approved of Inspector Moser or the sergeant here today.

But you know, this whole record ordinance is something bigger than making the decision or a motion today and qualifying and sending it to the city council.

There's a lot of things that have to be discussed, and Ms.

Parker would probably love to be at the table for that, and and to have others that are intelligent that can make great decisions for the city.

Definitely does.

I don't think sending a hell of Mary to the mayor's office telling them to form it all into one and start over, is is a great recommendation.

Well, I disagree.

You got your opinion, Miss Parker.

I'm just here to help and tell what the facts are.

The facts are if you got a C class.

You're healthy.

I'm not I'm not lobbing for anybody.

All right.

I I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Thank you guys.

I think the real issue here is you have Yates toy operating under good in whoever else.

Um, and it's causing a problem with the schedule and people being in the rotation.

Um that's something that definitely needs to be looked at.

I don't know if it's legal.

What did she say?

Something definitely, somebody definitely needs to look into this issue because there's no reason why they should be on this rotation as much as they have and whilst the other is only had what maybe four times.

That's problem.

Well, if you'll notice it, yeah, I love here.

The whole state of Tennessee doesn't specify rotator or C class.

It's one heavy-duty company that they call.

They don't tell them what to buy or how to do it.

The state of Tennessee and the state of Georgia.

So what really happened back in 2008 when the recession happened?

Miller Industry.

I walked took a tour up there, had one rollback his building.

It was horrible.

And the man that owns Miller, he came down and talked to the city council.

He said, if you'll pass this ordinance with this rotator on here, then we'll be able to sell rotators and make more money here in Chattanooga.

All right.

Thank you.

And everybody was dying for work.

Let me tell you how bad it was.

Well no, I understand we appreciate you.

Mrs.

Lawrence, um, is there a uh uh a chance that we could possibly email uh Mr.

Anderson to get more clarity on this as well?

Uh carry, yes, but I still like to get more clarity um and see what he's working on as well because we we didn't know that he was actually working on something.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mrs.

Parker.

Okay, what one more question?

What about my minority status?

Does nobody can anybody help me on that?

Justify what I'm not getting.

Well, it's possible like we all pay for.

I mean, if you're passing on to this to the city council, just please include that in it.

Well, I'm sure the city council will be reaching out to everyone to um be more informed uh before they make a decision.

Um as far as the minority status that goes, I can't we can't this board can't speak to that uh right at the current moment.

Um but it will be in consideration.

He can't address the issue now.

I just think that's that may be something that she needs to take over with the uh mayor's office because like you say.

Well, whoever's doing the uh the actual scheduling as well.

Well, she's talking about the minority, whatever minority being I don't know if it's an incentive or what, but that's something that she will have to direct her questions to the mayor's office on that.

I don't think we don't that's not bouncing the issue has to be directed to the mayor's office.

Okay, we can do that directed to the mayor's office.

Well, I appreciate your time.

And uh does anyone have any more questions or no?

I think the board is good.

Thank you, Mrs.

Parker.

What did he say?

He said thank you.

Oh, you're welcome.

I'm the only woman owner of a heavy duty record company that operates it.

Just let your girls know.

So as a board, we passed um a recommendation of city council.

We uh asked Mr.

Anderson to explain what he's working on, and we're in agreement that uh A1 towing their internal adjustments were satisfactory.

Uh does anyone on the board have anything else they would like to discuss?

I'd like to say uh Mr.

Chairman for the record, September the 4th.

Chris Anderson was in the meeting when this first came up about the towing and uh um class C and recovery.

He was in the meeting when Miss Parker spoke, and that was September the 4th, is in the minute right.

Um, so he is aware because I know we brought it um we said we were looking to it back in September.

I wasn't here in October.

I think that was more of the um well, it was that as well, but it was also the rotation schedule because Inspector Moser said uh told us that the what he could do is make a recommendation to the lieutenant to look into the uh scheduling at that time, yes.

So uh I don't think that was actually about the uh combining because I know this is the first time I've heard of combining the uh calls.

All right, do we have a recommendation to adjourn?

Oh excuse me, a motion.

You haven't left the public comments.

Oh, I apologize.

Do we have public uh anyone here for public comments?

You won't go first.

Yeah, let's say I can get my blow first.

Uh Jonathan Easter new taxi.

Uh a positive note, uh, just want to give the board as a heads up that uh had a meeting with Chris Anderson two months ago, roughly, and a meeting with uh councilman Ryan Elliott last week.

Seen some um and uh some motivation to help us with our price increases that we've haven't had in 15 years, and that I've been actively working on increasing for the last six roughly.

Um but uh just wanted you that was going through, and I didn't know I could ask the chairman if there was uh a way we could get a fresh recommendation from this board to city council to recommend some rate increases or the support of it.

I don't know how that works on your end, but of course there's no details like the Miss Um Councilman at the left here stated there's not much that this board has the authority to do other than what the regulation gives you the authority to do, and that's the frustrating part about all this is that most of us don't realize coming in here, we're like ah, we want to do this, we want to do that.

Unfortunately, you're bound by the same rules that we're bound by.

And if we want to change any of those rules, you have to go to city council.

You're probably not gonna get much movement going to open mic night, but you gotta get it, try to get a city council member, try to get the mayor's office or somebody like Chris Anderson that kind of works with the legislative part of it to try to get the ball rolling on some of the changes that need to happen.

So that was basically what I wanted to see and ask if we could get a I know it's been recommended by the last chairman, and she got really frustrated that no movement was happening, but I just wanted to ask for a fresh positive support recommendation.

All right, and you said you did have a meeting, Mr.

Easter with uh Mr.

Robert Councilman Elliott and Mr.

Anderson.

He's gonna try Ron Elliott's gonna try to get a meeting with all the taxi companies in town, which is only three uh four, and two of them are in litigation, and I told him I said it's gonna be hard to get us all in the same room, but that I know that Mercury they're behind me 100% on this, but we're just waiting on that meeting to happen, and hopefully, Mr.

Ron Elliott will address it in an actual council meeting for you know, uh amendment of the ordinance that we're asking for.

And I did forward Miss Bertha.

Hopefully, she can forward it to you.

Um you probably haven't checked your emails, it just happened.

Um kind of a uh a brief breakdown from 2015 to 2025, um, showing the price differences, a rough estimate, because of course it's hard to do because you got small cars, you got big cars, so there's different prices, rough estimates of insurance costs, repairs, and cost of uh purchases of cars, what they've increased to, and the research that I did for the different markets between Atlanta, Memphis, Birmingham, uh, Nashville, and Knoxville, and we're at the bottom of where everybody else is at.

So Ron Elliott saw that, Anderson saw that.

He's like, we need to do something.

So hopefully as much uh leadership support that that we can get to push that through would be great.

Thank you.

Thank you, sir.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, I'd I make a motion to place on our next agenda a discussion about a potential rate increase or recommendation for a potential rate increase.

And that way any other interested parties, other taxi companies could be here at our next meeting and we could discuss and have a chance to review any materials that would be pertinent that do we need to make a public about that for other taxi uh companies to appear?

Um it it would be on the agenda.

Uh the agenda should be published ahead of time.

Um so I I think that would be sufficient public notice, but um certainly you could reach out um if you're concerned about someone uh knowing about it.

Okay.

Do we have a second to the motion?

I'll second it.

Okay, all in favor to the motion to put the taxi rate increase on December's agenda.

Say aye.

Aye.

Opposed motion carries, Mr.

Shackleford.

Yeah, uh, one last thing, guys again, Mark Shackle with Jaguar Tilling for the record.

Um the rate increase that I spoke of earlier has obviously been approved by city council for the second reading.

And as I just asked Sergeant Cowan, you know, does the regulatory unit know anything of that or has it been approved?

And Bertha's telling me no, he did as well.

So at what point do we have the authority to move the needle, city attorney?

Um I mean once it's passed in ordinance, is it not appropriate to make those changes?

Or do we have to wait for the regulatory unit to send out a published email?

Uh I I'm not sure what further roll the question real quick.

If I move the needle today and they cite me for a violation, am I gonna have to file everybody in litigation because I charge the rates that were already approved two weeks ago?

We got two good attorneys here today.

I uh I cannot answer that legal question.

Um but uh yeah, it's it is uh passed city ordinance.

Is it something I need to bring my attorney in to figure out?

Or I mean do we need to spend that money?

I don't think the board can give you legal advice, but I would say that uh the ordinance that was passed by the city council probably has an effective date.

Has an effective date?

I would assume it does.

Is that typical when they pass an ordinance birthday?

You've seen this for years.

I haven't seen anything.

I mean, when they when they pass an ordinance and it gets submitted, I've never seen a I'm not trying to bash or beat down your point, but I've never seen in three or four or five years I've been doing this an effective date.

It's always been uh when it got approved, and it's been that way with the 23 rate increase.

And again, just to beat the dead horse, we're waiting for a 24 rate increase, and we're waiting for our 25 rate increase.

And when Christmas is over, I'm gonna be up here fighting for 26.

So and I hope it doesn't take 18 more months to get it.

So have you reached out to Chris Anderson?

Chris Anderson is aware he presented it to you guys.

Back in October, I think, or September.

What I'm saying is to get your the question to your answer about can you guys move forward with charging the new rates.

Have you reached out to him to ask?

Is it are we?

Because they're the ones that that impose the the regulation that we all have to follow.

So again, you know, city city attorney's office approved it.

It got sent to council.

We got on first reading and second reading with unanimous votes, and now we're sitting ducks in the water waiting for somebody to move on this.

Does anybody have a copy of it?

I have a copy of um September's minutes, yes.

That's what you're asking for.

No.

Well, she's saying the copy of the rate increase.

But I have the visual, yes.

I have what it what it should be.

But I'm looking at the the minutes here, and Chris Anderson distributed copies of proposed annual rate increase for the past two years that needs the board's approval before it is presented to city council.

Mr.

Anderson was questioned by the board.

That was that was September and that was we we presented, I mean, excuse me, we approved it to go to city council, and city council approved it.

But it hasn't been sent to regulatory well.

I think I mean if the ordinance was passed, if the effective date could be the date of passage, but you really can't know without looking at the ordinance, and I don't think we as the board can legally give advice on this is possibly what you're asking for.

That was what was put on the screen during the city council meeting and the time it was presented to the record.

That was approved.

That was approved, yes, ma'am.

And what's the date of approval?

Well, the two city council meetings ago is what I figured it was.

I mean, I was here for both of them.

I can get you the exact dates.

Okay, Mr.

Trondle, do you know the exact date?

Um 21st.

It was two ago, it would have been the city code.

Yeah, it's either the 7th and 14th or 14th and 21st.

Um, I don't know if those have been published to the website yet.

I was trying to find the ordinance.

It seems like there's some confusion as to who has to push the button to say go, and what other things that happen that get approved is through city council have to have an endorsement by somebody after it gets approved.

That's right, sorry.

Typically it's uh so who sends it over to the regulatory department.

I don't know that it has to go there.

Oh I just need to know that if they cite me for overcharging, right?

You know, and and I come in here with a fleet of attorneys, who's gonna who's gonna win?

Because City Council approved it twice.

The regulatory unit doesn't know anything about it.

Sergeant Cowell just confirmed it.

Bertha shook her head no.

So these two ladies and gentlemen do a great job with the regulatory unit, but they don't know anything.

That council's already passed.

They'll they've got gotten a memo from Chris Anderson, and it's the same crap we've been fighting for 18 months, guys.

Before you guys came to be a board, we have fought this.

It's been an ordinance before you guys came to the quorum here, and we've been very methodical and passionate about being kind and waiting.

You know, we're our the industry's patience is kind of wearing out.

I I I understand.

I understand your first to to contact the mayor's office.

I'm just asking that as a is it is a is that something that could be done, or can you get the mayor's office to call regulatory and tell them to send out an email to all the towers to say it's good to pass?

I what I will say, Mr.

Sackerford, the the board does recognize that you have uh been patient in educating us as we've gone through this process.

Um also I I'm in agreement that I would assume that once it is uh passed, but I don't know for sure, and as it's been said, we can't give that out uh legally, but we can find out for you where that's going, and hopefully within the next few days, that will be make it to regulatory or an explanation as to what's the next step.

Can the board maybe put a timeline on when we might get some kind of notification from regulatory?

If we send a uh send us an email that says hey, nothing new has changed, check back next week.

Or here's what's been done, you guys are good to go.

Yeah, if the board sends an email, it's it's on us.

What do you want to mean to say not the board or the regular send the email if she gets the information, right?

If I get the information, right?

So I mean, but I don't want to put on Ms.

Bertha, whereas to say, hey, we haven't heard back, and it's fright next Friday.

Hey, we haven't heard back, you know.

So um Yeah, we're we're used to that.

Uh looks like the ordinance had an effective date two weeks after passage, and that the second reading was on the 28th.

So two weeks after passage.

The ordinance takes effect.

Two weeks after passage of the 28th was the last day of the reading.

The second reading would have been on the 28th.

On the 11th.

Can we confirm a date?

Would that be something that we could do?

Now we can regulate and we don't.

I just want to know if you're gonna go to the dance.

And tell me what time you want me to get there.

I think the ordinance speaks for itself, but I I am curious who maintains the public facing notices of of what the current city ordinances are.

I assume it's the city attorney's office, but I don't know.

Well, the it goes through a company called Muni Code.

Uh, and so there is sometimes a delay in uh getting all that up on the website, up on the internet.

But that's not what y'all use to work with, is it?

Use Minis Code to work to work in the city attorney's office.

That's where I look up city code, yeah.

I do too, but I mean I'm just saying that you guys know about this stuff before it hatches and gets passed on.

Y'all work with it every day.

So it'll be the 11th, correct?

Maybe you don't um yeah, yeah.

I mean, two weeks after the 28th, it'll be the 11th.

Yeah.

Well, what I'm what I'm gonna tell you is I'm with that information.

I'm gonna change my rates on the 11th, like you told me, right?

Yeah, that's why you do that.

Wait till the 12th, but sure.

That's your interpretation.

That's what I'm gonna do.

And that's what I'm gonna tell everyone else that they can do.

And will the board stand behind me if if we have a problem?

No.

I think if you get a if you get a notice of violation, the board is very aware of the case.

Oh, I'm gonna come here with flames rolling off the back of my phone.

You dead dumb right.

I don't think there'll be a court on that day, Mr.

Shopper.

There'll be a disorder.

Thank you, Mr.

Shop.

I'll agree with that.

All right.

Uh do we have any more public comments?

No.

All right.

Do we have a motion to adjourn?

Motion to adjourn.

Any more second?

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposed.

Motion carries.

Thank you.