Call this meeting to order at the Chattanooga Beer Board.

And welcome everyone.

Uh we ask that all meeting attendees must sign in at the designated sign in sheet for meet the requirements of the sunshine law.

So if you haven't done so, please do so.

Uh we also ask you all electronic devices must be turned off or muted so as not to disrupt the meeting.

All right.

First item on our agenda is approval of the minutes for February fifth, twenty twenty-six.

So move.

All in favor of approving the minutes of February fifth, twenty twenty-six, signify by saying aye.

Opposed.

This time we'll ask our court reporter to swear in.

So if you're coming to before us today to speak to us, you'll need to be sworn in.

And that's also on hold by legal.

There are a couple of issues that still need to be worked through with that application on the legal and zoning side.

And given that the event is not until late later in March.

Uh I will recommend that that be deferred by the board.

Okay.

It's up to you all.

All right.

All right.

Okay, is there a motion to uh move this to our next meeting?

112 to the next meeting.

Okay, is there second?

Second.

Let's see what call roll up.

Um Christie.

Yes.

Uh Brooke.

Yes.

Veronica.

Yes.

JW.

Yes.

Reginald?

Yes.

Betsy?

Yes.

Zach?

Yeah.

And the chair votes yes.

So that's been moved.

All right.

Okay.

Any other applications that have been approved by regulatory?

No, sir.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Okay.

We now enter the beer applications passed from the last meeting.

The Cabanas Night Club and Event Center LLC do business as cabanas.

Beer 1378.

This is a change of ownership.

So let's see here.

So we'll also Callan.

Is there anything in particular?

Yes.

So if I recall correctly, the last time we were here, I think there was a question about the background check.

There was only one page of it uploaded.

Since then, he has uploaded the remainder of the background check, which I have here.

I've identified a few things that's of concern, so I want to give it to you guys and kind of walk through it.

And then let you guys see that.

And we will need to turn these back into Officer Cow when we're through, because there is uh privileged information in this.

Thank you.

All right.

Um the very first page, if you look, flip over the full page.

You'll see there where I highlighted the uh the last four of the social, and this would be the original page that he uploaded uh the original time deleting the remainder of the report.

Moving on to page two.

The first thing that jumped out at me was a Georgia ID number.

Um in all of my occurrences, I don't I don't have a Georgia ID of any type on file for Mr.

Serrano.

Everything that I have is a Tennessee ID.

Um so that led me to dig into this particular ID number to see what was going on with it, but it's actually showing not on file, and when you look at Georgia's protocol, they say that this number does not even fit their uh numerical value of how they assign numbers.

Right.

Okay.

So moving on to page number three.

You'll notice there where it's it shows the same uh social security number there to the like lower right.

That's the same 1530 that you saw on the first page, and it's identifying him as a white male.

Okay.

The next page, we'll flip it over.

You'll see there about mid-page.

It's now listing him as a black male.

Moving on to the next page.

Um it's showing showing the Georgia state ID number again, and then looking at the last page, you'll see from the top down the Georgia State ID number.

But then when you look at the next Social Security number, it's a completely different number.

It's not the same as the 1530.

And this is identifying him as a black male as well.

So just looking at these inconsistencies, it kind of raises a red flag for me.

I dug in through our dispatch and ran all these numbers.

If you'll look on that very last page, those are just my notes from that uh social security number and the Georgia DL.

They're not on file through our system or Georgia's system.

Um according to our files, they don't exist.

Okay.

Do y'all have I mean does legal have something to say about this at this point?

Um, I mean, it's certainly concerning.

I don't know.

Um if these are errors on the FBI side or not.

But you know, it is concerning that there are so many.

Um that we need to figure out why there are these discrepancies.

Okay.

I will say during my interactions, um, a Tennessee ID has always been presented to me and other officers in which we have photographic evidence of that.

You know, when you run that, that's on file, that's legit the Tennessee one.

So I guess my main question would be, you know, why would you be using the Georgia ID if you have a Tennessee ID?

And you know, your residence is here.

And there's a Tennessee.

The ID associated with the uh application, the bear permit application.

Right.

Okay.

All right, but that's not the one that was running, it looks like.

Right.

Okay.

Question.

Yes, sir.

What a question.

Yes.

I just want to make sure I'm here.

So there is a Tennessee state ID.

There is that was presented to you.

But then when we did the background, something totally different was presented.

Correct.

Gotcha.

The Tennessee ID that was presented to me and other officers is not associated with this background check at all.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

Can we hear from yeah, we can.

Any any other questions of Officer Cowan?

Thank you, sir.

Your due diligence.

All right.

Okay.

Yeah.

Is he the one in?

He's usually serrano.

Yeah.

Um Gabe Sosa.

Okay.

And y'all were sworn in.

Yes, sir.

Yeah, I thought so.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Questions from board.

Or what do you tell us a little bit about any idea what's going on with all these discrepancies?

We are from Georgia.

So we grew up in Georgia.

Okay.

Um, I graduated high school in 04, went to all the public school system down there, so we always had you know Georgia IDs, and then uh when we moved up here, then it finally got transitioned to Tennessee because I'm not gonna have a Georgia ID if I'm up here.

Right.

Um but I will say this, there was an issue in California where somebody had used uh my identity my social, the original one.

Okay, and then apparently is a pretty severe case.

So my immigration attorney ended up giving me another social.

So I think that's what happened there.

Okay, all right.

Okay.

All right.

Any other questions from any of the board members?

Are you ready?

Okay.

So why didn't you turn in your Tennessee ID to be done for the background check?

When uh when I went to go get the fingerprints, they didn't uh they didn't ask for they didn't ask for they just did the fingerprints, ran the social, and then that's that's all they did.

So what I just heard you say when you went to do your background, they did not ask for your ID?

That's correct.

They did or did not.

Okay.

So they just did your fingerprints.

Yeah, did the fingerprints run all the info?

And then sent me the email.

Okay.

So where did the Georgia ID come from?

That's on file that however got attached to you.

Uh I mean, probably from when we live down there.

If I can see it, I could probably explain more.

Yeah.

So yeah, there we go.

And notice while you're looking.

It's not on file with Georgia.

That's the original social.

And then this is the Georgia ID.

That's not on file.

So Georgia doesn't use letters at the end of any of their numbers.

Okay.

So at least that's what our dispatches showing.

As far as this idea, I wouldn't have it anymore, though, because when we came up here, they they actually take it from you.

So I don't even know if I'd have a copy of the Georgia one.

And then this one here is completely separate social.

That was with um what I was telling you on the.

Are we supposed to be on the record?

Because I cannot hear any of the things.

Yeah, y'all need to speak up if you would.

I have no idea what y'all are saying.

Okay.

Unless you want to go off the record.

No, no, no, everything's on the record.

You're gonna have to speak up then, gentlemen.

So I didn't hear anything you just said.

Right.

I identified the Georgia ID for Mr.

Serrano and the different social security number.

So on the Social Security again is what I said in California, somebody did something very serious.

So we had to have a uh change in social.

Because they had taken your old social security number and used it.

They took my social, but they kind of killed somebody, so it was pretty serious.

Yeah, okay, gotcha.

All right.

Okay.

So at this point, make sure we're right.

We're here to uh approve the change of ownership.

Is that correct?

So if if you can recall, um cabanas had a violation for operating without a beer permit.

Correct.

And um, as a result of that, they put in an application for a new beer permit for cabanas, um, because theirs had been out of date since uh December of 2024.

Right.

And um so this is this is kind of a part of that.

Um he also has some several other businesses that are on the agenda today for similar issues, so it is up to the board to determine whether or not he gets a new permit today.

Okay, very good.

All right.

Sorry, I don't have my hand right up, buddy.

To raise our hand, it's not right.

Oh, let's see here.

You actually call.

Yeah, oh, because am I active?

I'm active.

All right, so I got on next queue.

All right, now it is now is it there now?

There's or not working.

If you would all right, so I'll I'll put my favorite.

I'm sorry is that announcement to the raise your hand and I'll recognize you and I'll have to do the swivel.

So is there any discussion or questions from the board members at this time?

All right, no.

What did what was the end of you says up to the board to do what today?

Yeah, Catherine, would you repeat what our options are today?

Okay, so the application is before the board to either approve or deny their new beer permit, which they've applied for.

So they're passed by everybody else.

Um yeah, I've been holding up because this is a a board decision because of all of the issues.

I understand.

Okay, okay.

I guess everybody else has signed off.

It's my understanding that any owner with five percent or more has to do a background check.

Yes, and has that happened?

Does yes, okay?

So um the only background check that we did have until I think a couple of weeks ago was Mr.

Sosa's, and then we were like, no, we need um Mr.

Hayes Luiz's, and he submitted one, but it was only the first page, and so we were like, we need the whole background check, and he submitted the rest of them, and then we're here today.

I will say this though, guys, during the process of doing all this, all the renewals and whatnot.

Um I wasn't getting my city and county renewals.

Um I went down to them and you know, would get them from them.

Everything else was up to date as far as revenue and all that.

Um, but they didn't they did not have the right email, so which is probably why we didn't get the end of the year to begin with advice.

Yeah.

Um okay.

Did you correct and it's corrected now?

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Further questions from any of the board members.

Yes, ma'am.

So are we voting today to add Mr.

Discount?

Are we voted to add him on to the uh permit?

They don't have a permit.

Yeah, they don't have a as a valid permit as of right now.

Yes.

Okay.

This documentation.

Yeah.

The background check is required per code.

Um this is the background check.

But this background check has some red flags.

And it is we just brought this information to the board so they can consider it.

Um deciding whether or not to give the permit.

Comment.

Yes, sir.

I don't think I would feel comfortable obviously approving the permit.

But I would feel comfortable tabling it to allow maybe a new background check to occur.

But if I have to vote on this background check, then I don't I don't feel comfortable approving it.

But I also don't want to leave you guys, I don't want the whole process to start over again.

It's just a new background check could be executed and uploaded.

I would feel comfortable with that.

Uh I have a question.

So in essence, today we're not really it's not a change of ownership today.

No, it's a permit.

It's a brand new permit.

New application, right?

All right, okay.

So that's all right.

Question would the background check, if there was an actual social security number that's been reissued, would that not be reflected?

Wouldn't there be a trail to show that that's been done?

I would think so.

Uh Sergeant Cowan, do you are you from more familiar with these background checks?

Because of the background check you can't give uh when I get to the microphone.

Um unfortunately, I'm not uh that familiar with it.

However, I will tell you that um to run another background check if what we're saying here today is correct, would come back the same exact thing.

Um I did call the FBI to verify, or actually I I had another officer called the FBI and verify the information.

Uh the FBI will not do that.

So those efforts were kind of uh failed per se.

They would verify that a background check was conducted on the date that's listed on here.

Um so that did verify.

I do know that that a background check was ran on that particular date.

The only thing that they would tell me is that there are multiple companies that do these background checks.

The one that we particularly use through the open gov portal is called Identico.

That's the one that they used for Mr.

Sosa, but that is not the one that they use for Mr.

Serrano.

So they would tell me uh or confirm that the background check that did come through was not from Identico, but it was from an approved company, according to them.

So just a point of clarity.

Can we find out who that company is doing background checks and not checking IDs?

Because I just never forgot and everything else, they didn't take his ID.

He stated on record, right?

And so I don't know how just a point of clarity how they can be an approved vendor.

Well, as a point, I would say yes, I would I would imagine so the post office.

So Mr.

Serrano is stating that he went to the post office to get it done.

Right.

Um I would say that yes, I would tend to agree that I would like to think that they would ask for some ID along with the fingerprints as part of an identification process, but I I'll state for the record that I can't speak to their process and how they do it.

Totally totally that background check that question for the applicant.

Did you provide them your social security number and your driver's license number?

Yeah.

So they the thing is that they didn't actually like scan it.

You know, they they they do ask you for ID and social.

You give them that, but they don't they don't scan it, they just look at it, make sure it's you.

So did you impress that here, but they're not being a good one.

One at a time, please.

One at a time.

Christy.

Show them ID or not.

No, no, yeah, yeah.

They showed, but they didn't like scan it or anything, so they didn't like any records of it.

They look at it.

They look at your social and then and then that's it.

So as far as them uploading an ID, they didn't do that.

Okay, now here we go.

Physically for your ID.

Yeah, they asked for it.

And you showed them physically your ID.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

Yes, ma'am.

Yes.

Did you not ask them that question?

For me to go.

And he said to you, they didn't ask for my ID.

They only asked for social security and fingerprint.

Now he's saying the ask for his ID.

Right.

Yes.

A point of clarity for the record.

That was.

Yes.

I agree with that.

There's too many inconsistencies in this whole report for me to vote on this.

Can we table this and let legal or somebody else look at it?

Because we could spend another hour asking questions.

We have a judge ID, FBI ID, we have a black mail.

I'm talking.

We have a black mail.

We have a white male.

We got different numbers.

Nothing's magic.

So I definitely would not vote on this.

And everybody else is required to have this a part of their documents, and this should be a part of theirs too before they get a permit.

Yes, ma'am.

I also notice that there's two different citizenships listed for this person.

And there's one that says United States and one that says Mexico.

I see as their citizenship.

So inconsistencies.

I mean, do we even know which one is valid?

Yes before we move any further.

I'm not quite sure that there's anything that legal can do.

And from what Sergeant Cowan has testified to, I don't know what running another background check would do.

Um as far as tabling, you guys can table it, but I don't know.

Yeah.

What that's gonna do.

Yeah, yeah.

Essentially.

Yeah.

All right.

Uh if we're done with questions, I would make a motion if I could put you got a question on the floor before I make my motion.

If the application is denied, what are the ramifications?

Will they ever be able to apply at that location again?

Is this a permanent solution?

Good question.

They're not prohibited from reapplying.

Right.

Great.

So let me tell that is there.

Is there a time limit after denying that they can reapply?

There's not a time limit prescribed in the code.

However, if you look at other codes like um zoning and things of that nature when when you reapply for like a zoning variance or or what have you, and you're denied, you can't reapply for a year.

So if we apply that same logic here, then it would most likely be a year.

Right.

Okay.

And as a point of information, they also were serving for a year without a license.

Yes.

Okay.

Then okay, yes, JW.

Yeah, but I make a motion.

Can I?

Yes, sir.

Yes.

I make a motion to reject uh beer 1378 and not approve.

Okay, there's a motion, and who seconded?

Brooke.

All right.

Discussion to the motion.

Okay.

I'll call a roll.

Zach?

No.

You're voting no to against the motion is to deny the I would prefer to table it, but that's just my okay.

All right.

So there's a no.

Okay.

Uh Betsy.

Yes.

Reginald.

Yes.

JW Cole.

Yes.

Veronica.

Yes.

Rook.

Yes.

Christy.

Yes.

And the chair votes no.

All right.

So we have one, two, three, four, five, six.

Yes.

So that's uh the motion is uh passes and the permit is not issued.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Well got that.

Yeah, we need to pass.

Next item on our agenda is lemongrass tie.

Is there anyone here for them?

Okay.

What do we uh where are we on the approval process on it?

Um it's showing on hold by building.

Hold by building.

Okay.

All right.

Is there a motion to move that to our next meeting?

Make a motion.

All right.

Motion by Reggie.

Is there a second?

Second.

Second.

Okay.

Betsy.

All right.

Um call the roll.

Uh Christy.

Yes.

Brooke.

Yes.

Veronica?

Yes.

JW?

Yes.

Reginald?

Yes.

Betsy?

Yes.

Zach?

Yes.

And the chair votes yes.

Okay.

All right.

And that's passed to our next meeting.

All right.

Okay.

We enter now the discussion part of our agenda.

And just a notation here.

Report and recommendation of hearing officer Janika Everhart heard on January 15th, 2026, 30-day suspension.

This is for the dream.

And a thousand dollar fine to be paid in seven days.

That fine has not been paid.

Is that correct, Bertha?

That is correct.

Okay.

So question.

Yes, sir.

Just for the record, uh, they were notified about the suspension and the fine.

And do we have evidence or proof that they were notified or that they receive that notification?

My question is clear.

The order was sent to them.

I think on Monday, February 9th.

According to my but isn't it not applicable until we vote on it?

We already did.

Yeah, we already did.

The order was signed.

Okay.

Um yeah, we've already did.

This is just to let us know that they have not paid the thousand dollars yet.

Right.

Yes.

And we can ask that question is because going back to the saying that they didn't receive it.

And then all of a sudden, we're gonna make it actions, and they did not receive.

And I don't know if that sent out certified mail, if it's regular mail or so.

Well, I guess if she said it was just mailed out Monday, it hasn't been seven days then.

Well, it was like on the ninth.

So 10 days ago.

Right.

And how is that transmitted to them?

Is it mailed to them?

Or uh is it emailed, or do is there do we know?

It's just regular mail.

Just regular mail.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.

Thank you, Bertha.

Okay.

Point of inquiry.

Yes, sir.

We don't know typically how many days once it's mailed that it's received by the recipient.

And given it could be three days after it's mailed, and if it was received on the 12th, I think today's the seventh day.

If it was received before, then obviously the seven days have passed.

Okay.

But we can't verify.

All right.

Well, we will continue to see what happens.

I need to make an amendment because we'll send out something.

Oh, question question and point of information.

Is there a way in this process moving forward?

So that we won't be here.

Right.

That it be either certified mail, knowing that somebody signed for it, or I know we're shortage with the officers being able to hand deliver, but there's got to be some point because we can say all day I didn't receive it.

So we have been working on an internal process to where our office will be sending out this stuff certified mail.

We actually had a meeting, I think it was like either last week or earlier this week about it.

Um so we are working on internal processes to make sure that that happens.

Um that they're getting letters with their citations.

Not only are they getting hand-delivered citations, we are also mailing out certified mail a copy of their citation.

We're doing that with the um orders as well.

Um, whenever possible, we're we try to hand deliver them, but they're also getting a copy in certified mail.

So we are implementing that process.

Okay, okay, good to take a fit immediately.

I mean, I know you said implementing in the next 30 days.

Yes, we're we're doing that now.

Okay, doing it now, yes.

Okay, right, very good.

And just that whole order that we have issued out is now no longer void because we had dates on there, if that's the case.

We already had dates set that they would be on suspension for whatever those dates were.

Now those dates have come and gone.

No, they haven't.

No, it's so 30 days suspension.

When does it start?

If you can see JW, this is starting to speak today, I think.

Yes, today's the first date.

It's in the minutes from our last meeting.

Right.

Yep.

Okay.

Zach, one question.

Could it be email if they have an email?

Yeah, we we email those two.

Email it too.

Okay.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right, good.

Well, uh ultimately, I think the what solves the question for our board is is if it's done via registered mail or certified mail, then that's our proof that someone has received it.

Of course, if we look back on some of our other ones, like Dollar General, you know, it's just because somebody signed for it, doesn't mean it goes to the right place.

But uh we'll just but at least that's that will be our proof.

I like I think that's a great idea.

Yeah, it eliminates this whole question of when they got it and if they got it.

Yeah.

And also, this just seems to be for our information.

If they end up not paying it, then that's a whole nother deal for another agency to that's correct.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Point of information.

Yes, sir.

They don't know if they are suspension beginning today if they didn't reply.

So today they can open and still sell beer and say we didn't receive.

Well, I think the order is still in effect.

Um, because the they were notified of their suspension at the recommendation.

Our beer board hearings are live streamed, they're probably public, and they it was confirmed at the next meeting.

They were mailed the um order.

They should be on notice.

We we but this new process that we are implementing right now is to you know doubly yeah, built in suspenders, basically.

Right, dot the cross.

So we're putting the ball.

I hear you.

I agree.

If if they are serving tonight, and they're you know not supposed to be, then that could potentially be another violation.

So all right, yeah, very good.

Okay, let's see.

Where's number two?

All right, number two is the crest pizza that we did with this.

Yeah, there's nothing else to do.

Yeah, it's already been done, it's passed the violation.

We're just wondering where the thousand dollars is.

Yeah, that was just kind of the no one.

Okay, yeah.

The uh, so is the crust pizza 3211 Broad Street.

Um good, or is there a representative here?

All right, thank you.

Okay, so just for the board's information, um Mr.

Mungen.

Yes, yes, Mr.

Mungen is a was a permit holder.

Um, his beer permit expired at the end of last year.

Um, and he is here to um present the board as to why he didn't, you know, um renew and to see if the board will let him renew, um, or if he has to restart the entire process over.

Okay, seeing as how this is about whether or not someone gets a permit is within the purview of the beer board to desi to decide this matter, and I know it's kind of it's kind of a new thing or uh a weird thing for us to consider, but um he fell outside of the 30-day grace period by the code, and the uh board could hear him out as to whether okay, yeah, all right, yes, sir.

Please step up your name is Yeah, they were sworn in the name.

My name is Mungan.

He will yeah, he was first name is Rag Sinon Mungan and Andrew Mungan.

Yeah, Andrew, were you sworn in?

Uh no.

Okay, so he'll okay, all right.

What is your first name, sir?

Ragabsinan Mungan.

Spell that R-A-G-I-P, middle name is S-I-N-A-N, last name Mungan, M-U-N-G-I-N.

Okay, Andrew.

Andre.

Yes.

Okay.

And the senior lung, you were sworn in that number was not.

Right.

You got me on things where or if um the testimony you're about to give will be the truth.

All the things and nothing that's the two hours.

I do.

Okay.

Yes, sir.

All right, go ahead if you would and tell us uh why the permit was not renewed.

In December, I have received the uh renewal by email.

I have tried on the 16th of December.

I have tried to get into the system.

Uh it gave me the number 616, but when I tried, it did not allow me to go any further to make the payment.

And it won't it just did not allow.

I tried again before the end of December.

It did not allow me again.

I did it.

The logic would have been maybe I should have called it in and pay it through there, but I did not.

In January, uh, there was a death in the family.

I have completely ignored, I should say, at that time with the confusion and everything else that was going on.

And then on the 16th or 17th of January, I tried again, and it did not allow me one more time.

So when I came back to the country, I tried, and it was already the end of the month, and I called, uh I talked to a supervisor, then they referred me to uh the lady at the uh city uh attorney's office.

I requested and she said she will research and she did, and then when she called me back, I she said that I will leave it to the board uh because it's something different or new and plead with you to see if that is a possibility to do.

We have held this license since 2020 with no problems whatsoever.

It was just it just didn't happen.

I would like to request that to be uh considered and see if we can renew it and continue our uh what we were doing.

Got it, yes, sir.

Thank you.

All right, questions from any of the board members?

I I will also say that I spoke with Miss Roberta at the treasurer's office, and she did confirm that if you are out of the country and you try to access like the city's websites and stuff, there's a firewall there.

So when he was out of the country in mid-January and tried to do it, it wouldn't let it okay, all right.

Brooke, and there have been no issues with this license, there's no violations or anything that I'm aware of.

Okay.

Here's my question of the board is we have this issue come up where beer licenses expire without past the renewal period.

We've denied, I think we just did that with cabanas.

We denied it.

It was more it was a way longer period than this.

Right.

But if we if we go outside the grace period, then we're making a subjective judgment on that during this time.

I'm sorry.

Have you been selling beer?

No, ma'am.

We have stopped selling it absolutely all year.

You haven't served any all year?

Since December 31st, beginning of that month.

Uh we have absolutely stopped serving it, yes.

Okay.

That's a big difference to me.

Yeah, there were some issues, and that's unfortunate, but you didn't serve any beer.

You followed the rules.

So to compare the two, it's not similar.

Sorry.

Sorry, okay.

All right, further questions from the board.

Christy.

I don't hear you.

However, what does the code say when it comes to renewing?

You have how many days after it expired?

30.

30 days.

So we're off by 19.

Yeah.

Well, technically we he still have to follow the same process.

That's why they're here.

We can make an executive decision and say extenuating circumstances, yes or no.

Correct?

And hear his explanation that he he tried, but was something was wrong with the system.

And see if that's an acceptable.

So he contact you all.

Um I can't remember the day that we talked.

We talked maybe a couple of weeks ago.

It was after the last beer board meeting.

Like a handful.

Okay.

And he was referred to me from Treasury.

So I don't know when he contacted Treasury.

So he may have been talking to them before he was referred to me.

Mr.

Dukins?

Mungan.

Mungan, I'm sorry.

When did you contact Treasury?

I contacted them the first uh the Monday of February.

Uh Friday was the last day, or the uh 31st was Friday or Saturday.

Uh and then I contacted first thing on Monday, and I talked to I believe uh Shelby Shelley or somebody that supervised that they referred me to her.

She was in a meeting.

She called me the next morning.

I explained to her, and then apparently she sent the request to the city attorney's office, and then I heard from Miss Uh uh attorney uh two days later, and she informed me that it's a decision that she couldn't or the office couldn't make.

That's when it was referred to you.

So it happened within the first three, four days of February, which was directly after the expiration date.

Okay.

Uh JW.

Yeah.

My question is to Bertha.

Are you aware of any technical difficulties with the system at that time?

Any was there anything going on through the city that system was down, maintenance upgrades or anything?

Our department does not have that software.

City church's office death.

Right.

Well, I'm going to do it again.

Um reference to what JW is asking.

My daughter has a beer permit, and she's had problems for the last two years applying and getting online.

So this year I said I'm gonna do it for her.

It was very hectic.

I have probably 10 to 15 emails from talking to Roberta about getting it done.

Even had to go to the office to the treasurer's office twice.

It is not an easy process.

It is very confusing, and online open good, open whatever it's called.

It was very hectic.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you for that.

It is not an easy process to do the the online system is not set up good.

Okay, all right.

I understand what he's saying.

All right, any any further discussion?

Bessie.

I will simply state that I feel like he's being very responsible in coming to the treasurer's office talking with you guys, coming here today, proactively, not selling beer, as Brooke had asked.

I feel like there's no real comparison here.

Right, I agree.

Question for legal.

We have the authority to decide one way or the other here, don't we?

Okay, I thought so.

I just want to make sure.

Okay.

Further discussion.

All right, is there a motion?

I'll make a motion to allow him to renew his beer application rather than having to get a brand new license.

All right, that's there's a motion.

Is there a second?

Yes, ma'am.

Should there be a time frame to do that?

To add to that motion.

Immediately 30 days?

Immediately okay.

All right, so there is a motion on the floor to allow the applicant to renew his application within 30 days of today's date.

And is there a second to that, Brooke?

And there's a second to that now.

Discussion to the motion.

One question I have is open gov.

Is there gonna be issues using that system for him?

Practically speaking, is he just need to go to the I'd go down?

I got I mean here's my chair just for his own sanity.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

I I can't speak to the system, but uh what I can do is email Miss Roberta and let them know that if this motion does pass that the beer board, you know, wants to allow him to uh renew and maybe you can work with Ms.

Roberta afterwards to get it.

We can go to the office and uh uh immediately pay you that thing.

Yes, we can do that even today.

Okay.

Any further discussion to the motion, Brooke?

I would continue to not sell beer until you until you have your approval until we are until you get the permit.

Absolutely, absolutely.

Uh any further discussion to the motion.

All right, I'll call the roll.

Uh Christy.

Brooke.

Yes, Veronica.

Yes, JW.

Can I have a point of increase to the attorney?

What is it when you just want to pass?

What is it?

When you just want to you can say uh staying.

Okay, that's okay.

I will not stay.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Okay, Reginald.

Yes.

Betsy.

Yes.

Zach?

The chair votes yes.

So that is one, two, three, four, five, six affirmative votes.

So that passes.

So good luck.

And please keep us informed.

If we still have problems, we need to we want to get to the bottom of this absolutely problem.

Absolutely.

Okay, absolutely.

Especially after what you just told us.

Because this is absolutely I don't get off my soulbox.

So we can go in and pay to we wait until your decision gets to them.

I'm emailing her right now.

He she's emailing her right now.

So that's great.

We will do that.

We appreciate the thank you for to the board.

Thank you.

We appreciate your candidates candid comments.

Thank you, Dave.

And for following the question, it's the best.

Okay.

Interesting.

All right.

Uh that concludes this part of the session.

Are there any public comments?

Is there anyone wishing to address the board today?

You have three minutes to address the board.

Okay.

No, just a quick question.

So I'm happy you guys gave him the beer permit to renew it.

But and it's always different people that are up here.

The only ones that are mostly here all the time is him, Ms.

Bertha, city attorney, him.

But with that being said, that was the issue that I was telling you guys from the get-go, was the portal not allowing you to pay the permit to renew.

And I didn't serve for a year.

We were closed like six months.

Um, and then last thing, you guys are gonna see this again because I know you have uh a few more cases of I know the people that are coming up, same issue.

So just keep that in in your mind.

Uh what do you want me to do about this?

You want me to get another one?

Do you want the TBI one?

Is there a is this the this is not the is this the TBI one?

No, this is this is FBI.

That's FBI.

Yeah, I'd like for you to submit a TBI one.

I have it on Paul Riddle send it again to Ms.

So the permit was denied.

Right.

So there's there's nothing else to submit.

Yeah.

Um the permit was denied.

Yeah.

For cabanas.

Right.

But it can be revisited if we want to.

It can it be brought back up?

Yeah, technically it can.

Yeah, yeah.

A member can remove it, make a motion.

Yes.

Brooke.

I just want to point out, I hear where you're coming from.

However, the main difference for me between the two of these is it took you a year and getting caught to say something about the problem.

And I do hear you out that you were closed for six months, but you continued to serve beer.

You testified to that.

That's the main distinction for me.

Yes, his did expire.

Yes, he had issues and you had issues, but he came back January of the very next year.

He didn't go without a permit for a whole year and then come to us.

Just just so you know what what my side of it is.

Yeah, it's that's the distinction for me and probably likely others.

Okay.

Anything else, sir?

Uh really this is for him to present anything else.

He said he was to the board.

You could Trevor.

I mean uh Zach, sorry.

I'm sorry.

Just apologize again.

I just want to clarify because there was I I felt some ambiguity about you stated a rule about zoning where they can't reapply for a year, and whether we were going to apply that here.

I I personally don't want to apply that here.

If we're not bound to apply that here and allow the process to recommence.

And I I know it said numerous times that if another background check was run, it would come back the same.

I'm not convinced that's true.

If a ID is scanned in, if the social security number issue gets resolved, it could very well come back in compliance.

So I would choose to remain silent as to that and allow the beer permit process to continue.

Okay.

But it's dead.

Let's continue.

Yeah, but there would have to be a new beer.

There'd have to be a new beer permit.

Right.

And have to start all the whole process over.

Oh, that's good all over again.

All right.

Time's up.

Sorry.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Any other public comments?

Come up to the podium, please.

She's not been.

We'll get to that next.

Yeah, that's a uh I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

We have to have the hearing office.

Oh, it's a hearing.

I'm sorry.

That that will take place here in just a few minutes.

I apologize.

All right.

Okay.

Any other public comment?

No.

Okay, is there a motion to adjourn?

Motion passed.

All right.

There's a motion to adjourn.

Uh the beer violation portion of uh of the meeting will start in about 10 minutes.

And uh all in favor of adjourning the beer board signify by saying aye.

Aye opposed.

All right, we'll start the uh hearing in about 10 minutes.