Good morning, everybody.

We'll call the Chatter Nug meeting for April 16th, 9 a.m.

Together I want to welcome everybody.

A couple of notes that I want to make that all meeting attendees must sign in on a designated sign in sheet right over there.

So make sure that if you're in the building, you're gonna sign in.

I also want to make sure that we're clear that we are following the sunshine law.

So there will be a lot of the open discussions that may take place with this board.

Uh, please state your name before you make your comments, please, ma'am, please, sir.

All right.

Next, I'll have the approval for the minutes uh for meeting April 2nd, 2026.

I'll make a motion to approve.

I'll set the motion.

It's been motion and second that we'll set the minutes for April 2nd, 2026.

Uh, any discussions on that motion?

No.

All right.

Uh Christy.

Veronica.

Yes.

Jean?

Yes.

Betsy.

Yes.

That yes.

And the chair votes yes.

Uh that the minutes is approved.

All right.

Uh if you're going to be speaking, I'm gonna ask you to stand and be sworn in by our court reporter.

If you're going to be speaking addressing this board, I'm gonna ask you to stand uh so that you can be sworn in.

Anyone here to speak to the board?

Yes, I'm gonna ask you to stand.

If each of you sold swear or affirm the testimony you're giving today, will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, I do.

I do.

All right, thank you.

Uh next we have beer applications approved by regulatory.

Uh I'll turn this over to Miss Bertha.

Uh TE 124.

Oh, so I just got one.

All right.

All right.

Uh, first on the list that's already approved is the uh association for visual arts, the four bridges art festival.

Sarah Moore is the organizer, and it's to take place at 1801 Reggie White Boulevard.

There are multiple dates.

Um TE 124.

Number two, uh Smart Music Project Chocolate.

Robert Davis is the organizer to occur at number 20 Chuchu Avenue, uh, April the 25th.

TE 126.

Number three, Chattanooga Concessions and Catering LLC.

Denise Fryer is the owner.

2632 Pipeway.

And that's uh beer application number 1389 was approved.

Number four CCBC Foundry District LLC doing business as Creature Comforts Brewing Company, creat Creature Comfort Sprewing Company, LLC, Adam Bucham is the owner.

Uh 2666 Pipeway Beer 1404 was approved.

All right.

Now we move to new temporary beer permit applications.

Uh have any of those been approved by you?

Uh the first one, uh Creative Discovery Museum Drink and Discover one night in Wonderland TE 129 was approved by regulatory.

Okay.

Pardon me.

Number two, Tennessee River Gorge Trust.

Another gorgeous evening.

Alicia Hickson was the organizer.

3104 Scenic Waters Lane.

Is also approved by regulatory.

Awesome.

All right.

So next we go to beer applications passed from the last meeting, and we had the Hatch Outfitters LLC beer 1394.

Is someone here from the Hatch Outfitters?

Anyone here?

Okay.

Do we know what status on?

It's showing in progress by legal.

In progress by legal.

Okay, let me check and see on that.

Background nationwide background.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Can I get a motion just to move this again to the next meeting?

I'll make a motion to pass to the next meeting.

Beer 1394.

Second.

All right, it's been motioned by Bessie, second by Veronica.

Any discussions on that motion?

All right.

Zach?

Yes.

Bessie?

Yes.

Jean?

Yes.

Veronica.

Yes.

Christy.

Yes.

And the chair votes yes.

This has been moved to the next meeting.

And that date for the record is May 7th.

May 7th.

Thank you.

2026.

9.

All right.

All right.

We're going to new beer applications.

Do you want me to call them or you want to call them?

Representing Vision Hospitality Management LLC doing business as barfield and suites.

Chattanooga I-24 Lookout Mountain.

Matou Patel is making application to engage in the sale of consumer carryout beer at 40 Starview Lane.

Mr.

Patel has not had a beer for this location.

The location is owned by Vision Tiftonia LLC and is zoned C C.

All right, wonderful.

Is Mr.

Patel here?

Anybody here from Vision Hospitality Manage Management LLC here?

All right.

Do we know the status of that?

It it looks like it's on hold by building.

Okay.

If I can get a motion to uh move this uh to the next meeting or can be approved by regulatory in the process.

Can is that safe to say?

Yes.

Okay.

I'll make a motion to move beer permit 1369 to the next beer board meeting.

Second.

All right, good.

Motion by Zach.

Uh second by Veronica.

Any discussions on that motion?

All right, Christy?

Yes.

Veronica?

Yes.

Gene?

Yes.

Bessie?

Yes.

Zach?

Yes.

And the chair votes yes.

This beer number 1369 has been moved to the May 7, 2026, 9 a.m.

meeting, or can be approved by regulatory.

Next.

Representing Banazakra.

Enterprise Inc.

doing business as MAPCO number 863.

Mohammed Jamil is making application to engage in the sale of carry-out beer at 6120 Highway 58.

The pending application reflects a change of ownership.

The business was formerly operated by MAPCO Express LLC of Lawrencefield, Georgia.

The location is owned by MAPCO Express LLC and is zoned C C.

All right.

Is Mohammed Jamil?

All right.

You want to approach the podium, sir?

Have you been sworn in?

It was all right.

You want to approach the podium?

It's right here.

All right.

Yeah.

Yes, sir.

All right.

State your name.

Mohammed Jamil.

All right.

So Mr.

Jamil, tell us what you got going on over at MAPCO number 863.

One week or go, sir.

It's brand brand new.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

And you're just trying to get a beer permit.

Sorry, sir.

You're just trying to sell beer, correct?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

Good.

All right.

Any questions for Mr.

Mohammed Jamil on this board?

All right.

It's on hold by building and legal.

Okay.

Mr.

Jamil, I've been told you're on that this project is on hold by building and legal.

Have they been out to see you yet?

Building?

Yes, sir.

And what did they say?

What did they say?

When the building inspector came out, did he say anything?

Yes, sorry.

He fixed I fixed that item.

He feels the one through it.

I appreciate that one.

Okay.

Did you call him back to tell him you fixed it?

Yes, sir.

Okay.

So we're waiting on him to approve.

Yes, sir.

Okay.

And so we cannot move forward until building approves it.

And then it goes to the legal.

Okay.

All right.

Okay, one moment.

Uh Sergeant David Cowan.

If I can just add one thing to that, it looks like building did sign off on that this morning on the permit, so now it's in legal's hands.

So as soon as legal makes a decision on it, then we can move forward.

Okay, thank you very much.

All right.

And so if it was just signed off on by building this morning, then we have not yet had the opportunity to review it.

Okay.

And so with that being said, we'll move that to uh the May 7th meeting or approved by regulatory.

If I can get a motion on the floor.

Motion to move uh beer 1401 to the next meeting.

Second.

It's been approved by G.

It's been motioned by Gene, second by Christie that we move uh beer 1401 to uh the May 7th meeting or approved by regulatory.

Uh any discussions on that motion.

All right.

Zach?

Yes.

All right, Betsy.

Yes.

Gene?

Yes.

Veronica?

Yes.

Christy.

And the chair votes yes.

Okay.

After legal approves it, then uh it will move forward in the process and be checking your email.

All right, sir.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

Thank you very much.

Next applicant representing Palo Dura presents LLC doing business as Chattanooga Market.

Oh Thomas is making application to engage in the sale of consumer beer at 1801 Reggie White Boulevard.

Mr.

Thomas has had a beer permit for this location in the past.

The location is owned by the city of Chattanooga and is on UCI.

All right, and you, Mr.

Thomas?

I am Mr.

Thomas.

All right, good morning, sir.

All right.

And you want to just tell us what you got going on at Chattanooga Market?

Uh we run the Chattanooga Market, be our 26th season, and uh we serve beer on Sundays down there.

All right.

Any questions for Mr.

Chris Thomas from this board?

Is there any yes, ma'am?

He's had a previous what is what's the purpose of this application?

Is this a new application?

We missed the uh email for the permit renewal, so we had to reapply.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Hold Bertha says there's a hold.

All right.

Mr.

Thomas, we've been told that there's a hole by building and by legal.

Have they came building came out to see you?

They have not.

What are you saying?

Brandy Rid.

Brandy Ridge.

Brandy Ridge.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

So they have not came to see you?

No.

I was told that we didn't have to do it.

Because it's in outside.

Right.

All right.

I can't answer that question.

I don't know.

Okay.

All right.

Let me, if I can, for the sake of the record.

Um good morning, Mr.

Uh Zach.

Good morning.

All right.

Could you repeat your question, please?

Yes.

Uh Brandy, is that your name?

Brandy was told that uh they did not have to go through building because it's outside, and they're the Chattanooga market.

If you need to pull it up, beer 1402.

Who is who informed them of this?

The number that you have on the website that I call or that I had to call.

You spoke with.

I do not.

They didn't give me a name.

I had a really hard time getting a hold of them.

Okay.

Uh if you will, for the sake while he make this phone call, I'm going to uh allow this just to be pushed to the bottom, and then we'll call you back just to see where we are, if if that's okay.

Sure.

Is that fair?

All right, thanks.

All right.

Let me ask this question on your way to your seat.

Mr.

Chris, you since you had a previous beer permit before, did building come out and inspect, or they did not.

I'm sorry, that just hit me.

The facility is city-owned.

So this has been golly 15, 16, 17 years ago.

But my recollection is they came out, said you know, it's a video build city building.

We can't do anything anyhow, so they're gonna be approved at that time.

Um so that that's my recollection of it.

Okay, I think it was fire only, though.

Is that the same as building?

No, so I don't have any knowledge of the building in particular, but I know fire came out.

All right, thanks, sir.

And we're okay.

We we already ready.

So I'm looking at the fire marshal's inspection sheet.

It's a blank piece of paper and the attachments.

So I'm not I'm unsure, but fire looks at other things.

Um egress and exit signs and all kinds of stuff, even on uh for a pavilion.

Um and in the land development office, we uh inspect and look at all buildings, including city-owned buildings for the record.

So is that your response to me putting them on hold or just to address the comments that were made?

Gotcha.

Okay, gotcha.

Just wanted to make sure.

Thanks, sir.

I still have a question.

Yes, ma'am.

Question to the applicant.

Uh Mr.

Thomas, so you said it's a new application.

So did your application did your permit expire in December?

Correct.

We've held it for 16 to 18 years, I suppose.

I don't know exactly when we originally got it, but when he we said he moved to an email-only invoicing system.

Uh that email got lost in delivery, and we closed kind of in November and reopened in April actually.

Okay.

So in January, we started looking for all the loose ends and realized that we hadn't seen that.

And then when we tried to pay it, we were told that we had to reap.

Okay.

And question to the chair, and that is even if building approves it, still got to wait for the legal.

So can we just go on the past this?

That's to the next meeting because we can't make a decision on it.

That is correct.

And then I'm going to answer that.

Right.

And just to say to the applicant, once building comes and inspects and hypothetically it gets approved, and then legal looks at it, it can be approved by regulatory.

So we will pass it to the next meeting, but it could be approved before then because when is your opening day?

Next weekend.

We started this process a couple months ago, so we're right.

Trying to be timely, but we do have a time-sensitive.

All right.

All right, with that being said, and what uh Veronica uh has stated, uh, if I can get a motion and then we'll move this to the next meeting and or regulatory.

I make the motion that beer application 1402 be passed to the next meeting uh May the 7th.

Pending be it uh building and legal approval.

All right, it's been motioned by Veronica, second by Betsy.

Uh is there any discussions on that motion?

All right, Zach?

Yes, Betsy, yes, Jean, yes, Veronica, yes, Christy, yes, and the chair votes yes.

So what just took place, Mr.

Uh Chris Thomas is that uh we're move this whole your whole case to the next meeting, but in the process of that time, building and legal can go ahead and do what they need to do and just be watching your email.

So if as long as building says the city owned building is suspicion and legal, I'm not sure what legal oh legal is just final review, correct?

Yes, yeah, okay.

Once that's done, then regulatory can approve it interim, and we can have our opening weekend.

That is correct.

Perfect.

All right, thank you.

All right, thank you, sir.

All right.

Next applicant representing Council Fire Club Inc.

Franklin Proctor, Michael, Walter, Timothy Eachus, and William Butler are making application to engage in the sale of consumer beer at 100 Council Fire Drive.

The four are officers of the corporation.

The pending application reflects a change of ownership.

The business was formerly operated by Council Fire LP.

The location is owned by Council Fire Club Inc.

and is zone RN 1 through 6.

All right, good morning, sir.

Good morning, Frank Proctor.

Mr.

Fred Proctor.

All right.

Frank Proctor.

Frank, yes.

Okay, Frank Proctor.

All right, tell us what you got going there.

All right, so we purchased the uh golf course effect of February 1st of this year.

And so we're going through the process of uh beer license and liquor license.

Uh we have Blue Bonnet out of Texas working for us to do the license process.

I got an email saying that we were on the docker today for a beer license.

All right.

All right.

Well, Mr.

Proctor, I just been stated that you're on hold by building, and I'm asking the same question.

Have the building inspector came out.

Uh the fire marshals have been out.

Okay.

Um and I thought it had been okayed.

We'd got our um permit the um capacity permit and such.

Okay.

Well, uh, Zach is in the hallway.

I'm going to well, then they have to go to legal too, right?

Okay.

So we're gonna do the same thing with you, Mr.

Brock, is I'm going to get a motion to move this to the next meeting.

And they have already signed off.

So once building signs off, then you'll move through the process.

Is that okay?

Okay.

All right.

Can I get a motion?

Yeah.

I have a question.

Can we wait?

Can we put this at the bottom of the agenda and just see if Zach can get a hold of building, and then maybe it can get resolved today.

That's great.

We can advertise signed off.

Legal legal signed off on it already.

Yeah.

You said legal signed off, correct?

Yes.

So we're gonna place your hold, Mr.

Proctor, and just wait when Zach to come from the hallway.

Okay.

And then we're gonna give him your beer number, and he can pull it up to see what that hold up is.

All right.

All right, thank you, sir.

If all right, we're moving to number five five has been approved by regulatory.

All right.

All right, number five, it's been approved by regulatory.

And number six.

Representing Ginny's seafood at Cambridge LLC, doing business as Genie's seafood.

Sequin Chen.

I don't think he's been sworn.

Is making application to engage in the sale of consumer beer at 6011 Chesterton Way unit 103.

Mr.

Chan has not had a beer permit for this location as it used to be Fu Lin's Asian cuisine.

The location is owned by barrier properties and is zone CC.

Yeah, be the truth, the whole truth and nothing.

But the truth to help you got.

Yes.

Okay.

Well, uh, Ms.

Chair Ho for one second because you're on hold by building as well.

Yeah, I think I just got approved.

Uh I just look at the the portal.

Okay, they're checking.

Okay.

Hey, Zach.

Can you also check beer 1403, sir?

It would be my pleasure.

Thank you.

Yes, approved by legal two.

As well as regulatory.

All right, good.

So you you're good.

Uh tell Jenny keep making that sauce.

Me and my wife was there Sunday.

Awesome.

And it was amazing.

Also we'll be back again.

Thank you.

All right.

But you approve.

All right.

Welcome to the city.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh we're going to call Mr.

Proctor back up while Zach is pulling you up.

Give us.

And that's 1403 right there, Zach.

Beer 1403 is still on hold by building.

Or it's not on hold.

It's it's just still active.

It hadn't been approved.

I will go on record and say we have one uh with a uh family issue that's on leave.

Uh there's one at a TBOA conference uh out of the city right now, and another one that left that conference to come back because of the sudden situation with uh the third inspector and has been working the last couple days nonstop.

So some of these would have normally been signed off on, but just physically did not have the uh staff to actually go and do it yet.

So I've got some text messages and phone calls in to the chief building inspector.

I'm waiting on an answer.

I don't have anything further at this time.

All right.

So with that being said, Mr.

Proctor, we're going to uh move your case to May 7th, and our regulatory can approve it in between.

Okay.

Can I get a motion for beer 1403?

I'll make a motion to pass beer 1403 to May 7th.

And or regulatory.

Yeah.

Second.

All right, it's been motion by Bessie, uh, second by Veronica that we move uh beer 1403 to May 7th and or regulatory approved.

Any discussions on the motion?

All right, no discussion.

Zach?

I must abstain from this vote.

Okay.

Uh Bessie?

Yes.

Jane?

Yes.

Veronica?

Yes.

Christy.

Yes.

And the chair votes, yes.

Uh so we move this to uh it's been moved.

Thank you.

It's okay.

Yeah, it's five.

Yeah.

All right.

You're good, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Mr.

Chair.

Yes, ma'am.

Question for Zach.

What did he find out on 1402?

He was checking it when he went out at first.

Oh, oh, yeah, okay, gotcha.

Hey, what was a question?

What did you find out on 1402?

Chattanooga Market.

I hadn't found out anything.

I did see the fire marshal's a second upload that had the approved fire marshal's report on there for 331.

So, but I haven't had any communication back as of yet from the building inspector.

All right.

So I can tell you that if it's an outside event and people are going to be completely outside, then no building inspection is required.

But if people are going to be milling about inside a building structure, then building is required.

So it's the first Tennessee Pavilion, it's the Chattanooga market.

So I believe.

So we'll see.

I'll update the uh board when I have communication back as soon as I do.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

Is that good, Veronica?

Okay, good.

All right.

All right.

Now we have discussion on previous beer violation report and recommendation of hearing officer uh Miss Rachel Hodges.

Which one?

Yeah, but we didn't move it.

Oh, we didn't move it.

Okay, let me move.

I'm sorry.

I'm trying to track him real fast.

Let me rewind.

I'm going to be here 1402.

I apologize.

If I can get a motion to just move 1402 to May 7th or and all regulatory.

I make a motion that we move beer 1402 to the May 7th meeting pending an answer from beard and illegal.

I thought we did that.

I thought we already did that.

We did.

Oh, so I um I'm tracking right.

We already did that.

She said we did.

So she don't have it in her record, so we'll just re-track it.

So then I'll second.

So it's been motioned by Veronica, uh, second by Betsy.

Uh that we move beer 1402 uh to May 7th and are regulatory approved.

Uh any discussions on that motion?

All right, Christy?

Yes, Veronica?

Yes.

Jean.

Yes.

Bessie.

Yes.

Zach.

Yes.

And the chair votes yes.

All right.

So beer 1402 has been moved to May 7th or regulatory.

All right.

Everybody good?

Yeah.

All right.

Uh previous beer violation report and recommendation of hearing officer Rachel Hodges heard on February the 19th.

Hearing Officer Rachel Hodges recommended a fine of 1,000 for each location.

Number one, Cabana's Night Club and Event Center.

Uh number two, uh, that's the telephone reports of disorder.

Number two, Mexiville Mexican restaurant, uh, doing business.

Operating without a beer permit.

Number four, Chi Cheese Chart, Chicken LLC doing business as Chi Cheese on Market Street, operating without a beer permit.

These fines have not been paid.

Uh and I know he's here.

You you're here to speak or pay too.

Okay.

He's here to pay.

Oh, first of all, can you okay?

Can you find it like it's like you please are in state your name for the right?

Uh Jesus Serrano.

Um yeah, and the one for Gabana's got paid.

I just need to pay the other three.

Okay.

One moment.

Would you just answer that?

Oh, I was saying the one for Cabana's got paid.

I just need to pay these other three.

So what I just heard you say for the sake of the record, number one, Cabanas Nightclub Event Center LLC, you paid that thousand, and you're here to pay Mexiville, Mexiville, and Chi Cheese.

Correct.

Is that correct?

I think I got the receipt of my bag if I'm not mistaken.

If I may, the one that you paid for cabanas was operating without a beer permit.

This one is uh telephone and reports of disorders.

Okay.

That's a separate incident.

I'll I'll pay it 32.

So I'll just go ahead and pay all four.

Okay.

All right.

And you'll do that at the treasurer's office, right?

I can I can I can follow her there.

I can just give her the checks here.

Okay, give it to you.

Okay.

All right, you'll give it to her.

She got plenty of security around her.

All right.

All right, thank you.

All right.

All right.

Any public comments?

Yes.

Oh, public comments.

Anybody here want to speak to the board?

Anyone come to speak to the board?

Yes, sir.

Well, good morning.

It's been a while since I've had the pleasure of speaking to the beer board, so I think I've got at least one new member, and I don't think I've met the new or newer city attorney.

Some of you that that are aware I used to work in the beer board for a while for about what three years or so, three or four years.

It came to my attention recently that there's been a complaint.

I think somebody reached out to Miss Bertha about Shady's.

However, it just shows the work that we've done and the work that we continue to do to address parking noise, general complaints coming from that vicinity.

So I want the board to know that the police department is particularly patrol is still addressing that area and concerns coming from that area.

So contrary to what some people may report, or maybe they feel that we're not addressing it, I can assure you that is certainly not the case.

Now these stats, um, we had a meeting with the mayor's office.

This was last year or so.

Um these stats are particularly from July 31 of 2024 to July 31 of 2025.

Um we issued 721, I'll say that again, 721 citations.

Those are uh moving violations, parking violations, warning citations, etc.

Um, we towed 65 vehicles that were parked illegally.

Um there was a total of 394 calls for service.

Um the most frequently reported calls for service were for improperly parked autos.

Um as the stats show, we have addressed those and continue to address those.

So I'll say that to say this.

Um not only have we you know put our foot down on the pedal, we set the cruise control.

We are continuing to address those concerns as they come in and uh continue to work with the community.

So I understand uh regulatory has uh limited the capacity, you know, to address concerns from the bar.

Um and we've we've worked greatly with regulatory and continue to do so.

Um just wanted to let you know, like I said, from the patrol perspective that we are still addressing that.

So do y'all have any concerns or questions for me that I can address?

Uh there was a report, I think I saw in the report or email when the officer came out when they just had that loud rooftop uh that they do a decimo, and I heard did they get cited also?

So I've got that report pulled up now.

Well, I had it pulled up bear with me.

So that that call came in, it looks like at or around um 1748 or 548 p.m.

Um if I'm not mistaken, um not only does the ordinance say something about a decibel limit, but it has to be within a certain time frame.

I think it's um 30 or after, I believe, if I recall correctly.

Right.

Um but there it doesn't appear that there was a decibel limit taken at that time.

Umicer advised that she um observed a band playing loud music on the roof of Shady's Corner.

Um the employees of Shady's Corner advised that the music will not continue after 1800 hours.

Uh additionally, she and other officers issued multiple parking citations on East 14th Street and Cemetery Avenue.

So, yeah, it does not appear that a noise limit was taken.

But I I can say this every time that my officers have been in there to tell them, hey, listen, you know, we need to turn it down a notch or two.

They've been very receptive to that, and they've often complied with it.

Um so I mean, for what that's worth.

Okay, and so what I heard you say the citations that were given was not to shady's but to the pedestrians or any other questions for good.

Thank you, sir.

All right, well, thank you.

We're open for public comments.

All right, would the board like to address anything?

Zach is getting ready to get married.

Yes, thank you.

Um bring it up again.

Bring it up again.

Zach is getting ready to get married.

It goes well.

Yeah, it will, it will, it will after seven years.

After seven years.

I mean, it was I mean.

I want to address the board.

Uh uh sitting, um, I was supposed to be sitting in the vice chair seat, but sitting in the chair seat today.

I want to address something that's probably uh going to cause a little tension, uh, but I want a little clarity.

Uh last meeting we uh heard from Champies.

Uh and Champi's uh stood at the podium sworn in and stated that their license was only expired for a couple of months.

Notice that night media came on and stated that through a regulatory CPD that they found out through records that their license had been expired for years.

I want to know from this board, uh can we retract to see when Champi's license was expired for how the period of time uh if it if media is true, has it been a couple years and or is Champions going to say they have not been serving beer since those couple years till now and if it is true, I think we should retract or recall Champions back to this beer board for clarity, uh because I know for sure they would know that their license had been expired for that many years, if that makes sense, and I don't always believe what the media says, but I want to bring clarity you said the news reported that the news reported that and the attorney was the one that was doing 90% of the talk, and he took oath that's correct okay, is it I can only tell you what's in the system might need the clarification from the city treasurer's office who keeps those records showing beer 194?

The last expiration date is December 2024.

Okay, so what I just heard you say from your records to from the system 2024.

December 2024.

Okay, which means their license would have expired, uh, and they didn't renew none of 2025.

Not according to the system, not according to your system.

All right, all right, and so can this board come into agreement just to ask as an action to go to Treasury to say, hey Treasurer, can you review and maybe somehow it missed this system just for clarity's sake?

And is that Bertha on all of the champies, or is it just that one, if that makes sense?

And when they came last meeting, was that the renewal from all of Champies, or is it just for one location?

That JW, I asked that question.

Yes, ma'am.

Of the lawyer of Mr.

Leson, and he said that they had only made the application for the Lee Highway.

Okay.

Is it Lee Highway?

Um, and they were in the process of submitting the application for MLK.

Okay.

There is a pending application for MLK, but they're waiting on building.

Okay.

Can we see when that uh beer permit has been expired?

According to your records, but then also the action is also to see what Treasury say also.

And just for clarification, are we saying that they have their license expire in at the December 31st, 2023?

Same date.

Okay.

Yes.

Yes.

December 31st, 2024.

24.

24.

24.

Yeah.

So they went from January 1, 2025 all the way till last week.

I mean, two weeks ago.

Okay.

Uh according to your system.

Now let me ask you a question because we're under sunshine law.

I'm sorry.

Uh and I know Chris came last week, talked about how the systems are all messed up, and that's why they fix it.

Is there is it possible that your system, the beer board system, does not connect with the city system?

We don't have the same software that the city treasure's office use.

So what I'm saying.

Yes.

So when it's possible somebody can renew and never hit you.

Correct.

Okay.

Gotcha.

All right.

Yes.

Gotcha.

All right.

So who would take that action to be able to report back to this board?

Roberta.

So you will get with Reberta or is that regulatory or I'm sorry, so I guess I don't know.

Just for the sake of clarity.

And I say that simply because we represent the beer board.

And then the media came right back behind that.

And then other vendors or bars or clubs or uh we looking kind of crazy, if that makes sense.

And for the sake of integrity, we need to make sure that the city has appointed us to do a job, no matter who comes before us, if that makes sense.

If I'm understanding what you're asking correctly, um you're wanting Roberta to Miss Roberta Long to come here to testify to the system that she's using, is that right?

Yeah, and on the sake of clarity for champions, had did they pay for the year 2025?

And we're looking at all locations.

Because right now, according to Bertha's system, it's been expired since uh December 31st, 2024.

Correct.

Yes, that makes it and that and that's the system that I was going by when I issued the violation.

Gotcha.

Um, but in terms of the request of Miss Long to be here, I think it would be appropriate for the city attorney's office to reach out to her to request her presence.

I don't I don't necessarily know that would be appropriate for Miss Okay, Miss Lawrence to reach out for the And if the board wants us to do that, we could reach out to Ms.

Long.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay, thank you.

I don't uh Zach?

I just wanted to go on record to say the renewals as well all happen in the OpenGo system.

You can look under an address and see the initial permits that are active.

Uh that are still applications that are pending.

You can look in there and see complete applications that were permits have been issued and the permit is closed out, and you can see expired permits, and you can see those renewals each year.

So all that happens in OpenGov.

There are two OpenGov platforms that are used.

One is Chattanooga Treasure version of the OpenGov that handles business licenses, beer permits, so on and so forth.

And then there is the Chattanooga TN version of the OpenGov portal that handles the other permits, such as all the building permits and trades, short-term vacation rental signs, so on and so forth.

So it's essentially the same OpenGov platform.

It's just the treasurer uses a more secure portal version of that portal for the business license and business permit type things, as well as the beer, due to the information that the sensitive information that goes in there just for clarity.

Okay, thank you.

And for the sake of the record, it may be possible they may be in compliance.

We don't know cost of the system.

I think Chris stated that they're going to, is that system going to eventually merge with yours?

I haven't been telling that.

Okay.

All right.

Say it again.

It's the beer permits are in the same system as the renewals.

It is it is my understanding that it is 100% the same system.

It is.

I understand that there I think the breakdown in communication here is that it's the same system, but the treasury's office has different rights, if you will, to how they use the secure portal.

So they can go in and modify renewals, new applications.

They can do things that other people can't do, but it is the same system.

It is, and I had to clarify this when I first came over because this is the system that I'm using as an enforcing arm of the city.

So I have to make sure that these things are accurate and that they are what they are.

This system is 100% what I went by when it was brought to my attention that the permit was expired.

I went and verified it, and then I responded and visually saw the violation and issued the citation.

The last beer board meeting, things got out of order.

The permit for Lee Highway is what was on the agenda because it had been approved.

They had not issue them a violation because when I went there, they weren't serving alcohol.

Or beer, should I say?

Right.

So M.

L.

King is the one that was cited, and that uh violation date or hearing date is set for May the 22nd, I believe.

Whatever that that third Thursday in May is.

Um but things kind of got out of whack the last time because you know, when we said champions, we're just kind of including all of them together.

And they really shouldn't have been together.

So I don't I don't know if people are thinking that that was already heard.

Uh, but the hearing date on that is still pending, correct?

Which is why the application for ML King is still pending.

It can't be approved until that violation is cleared up.

That's correct.

Go ahead.

Thank you.

Thank you for the clarity.

And for the sake of my understanding, all the systems are connected.

Correct.

And there's just clearance.

Yes.

Treasure.

So for the sake of the record, Bertha's computer would be accurate.

As far as we know.

Absolutely.

And it would be as accurate as mine.

Correct.

Hers.

Okay.

Mr.

Wiley's.

Okay.

Anybody else.

We're looking at the same thing.

It's all looking at the same thing.

There's just uh different preferences or clearances for certain things.

Right.

And if that's the case to this board, I think, according to the record, I guess at the clearance and legal talking, uh advising us, I think that should be recalled back because there is a uh how can I see you under oath, and we got false information.

Yeah, so the way I see it is MLK got cited for being expired license, so that kind of just gave a red flag to Lee Highway to come in and reapply and bring the attorney in.

Right.

And I'm gonna keep saying under oath.

Correct.

And say that they only been without a license for three months.

Three months, right?

Okay.

All right.

Given that um information, do you still want me to reach out or legal to reach out to Miss Roberta and have her see if she can come here?

Or now that we know that they're the same systems, but yeah, the treasurer's system has different operating rights.

Yeah, I don't think she needs to be here.

I think what he saw it's clear clarified is good for it's good for me if it's good for this board.

Y'all good.

I'm good.

Okay.

All right.

Everybody smile, y'all all right?

Okay, all right.

Anyway, anybody want to okay?

There we go.

Thank you for breaking ice.

Come on.

I do.

Yeah, it will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing about the truth to help you guys.

I do.

Hey, say your name.

Eddie Davis, Tri-Star Beverage.

Hey guys, I'm just here.

I've got, you know, we don't sell people that didn't have a beer permit, obviously.

If we know um got a letter, and I don't know if anybody else has it, but Aaron from Champions sent it to me showing that from the mayor, uh saying that they can sell beer.

I said, reading to this letter, they should be able to sell beer.

What I'm hearing is something different.

I want to help him and ourselves, not to be no to be the right thing.

So I just want your opinion.

I can send this what I've got to anybody that wants to read it.

Um what location is that?

Okay, it even had says it on here.

It says that I think since you came, the sunshine law advised me legal.

I think I think trying to advise him the right way.

Right.

Since you came public, I would like to submit that as what is that?

As an exhibit.

Yeah, as an exhibit.

Yeah.

If you could send that to whoever you would like for me to send it to the city, and for the record, Lord God, I don't see that's just a for the record.

You said that letter came from who.

This is from um I can't remember his last name.

Aaron uh from the He's a GM for champions for all the locations for the sake of the record, because people watch our YouTube.

Can you publicly read that letter?

I would that or not, I'd rather you read it, determine it on what it says.

Oh no.

Well, let's submit it as an exhibit and be done.

But I think for the sake of the board, there's no miscarriage since it's out there.

Yeah, I just I'm just trying to I give him what I read from it, and I said you should be okay with this to sell, but what I'm hearing is something different.

But what I'm hearing is something different.

Okay.

Everybody else here, and of course, David said you know their application is pending because they have that violation still.

Right.

So well, it's in good hands right now.

The SARD's got it.

Uh he if you the high level summary is they said they could sell beer according to the mayor.

The mayor.

Oh, he giving that permit, isn't it?

The executive order that they passed last week.

Go ahead.

Okay, so it's go ahead, sir.

So just a brief review of the letter that he has.

I'm not a hundred percent that this has been shared with us.

I'd have to check with Miss Lawrence uh based on her reaction, the answer is no.

So if you all well remember the last beer board meeting, uh Mr.

Anderson came and explained to you guys about the executive order that uh the mayor passed.

So this is in direct relation to that executive order, and I don't know who uh Mr.

Anderson was supposed to create the letter and then share it with us, was my understanding, so we could present the letter to anyone who was trying to do that.

Uh to my knowledge, we have not received that.

Um I was under the impression that either he would do that or the city attorney's office would do that.

Um I was gone last week, so I'm not a hundred percent the status of that, but that's what this appears to be is a letter saying that due to the executive order, they're allowed to continue selling beer because they have a pending application, for MLK for MLK, but MLK has been cited also correct.

So I think the board's big question here is does this executive order over Trump or maybe that's bad terminology, does it uh outweigh um previous violations?

Yeah, um that's not for me to determine, that's for you guys to determine.

Yeah, and I yield that to legal can you uh tell me what the executive order number was because I'm not familiar with it having just started.

Do we have that executive order number for the sake of record?

Is it let me say is it in the minutes?

It might be minutes.

It is um executive order was in my interpretation was for the applications that expired December 31st, 2025, not applications that expired 2024.

They were already operating over a year.

It actually went back to January 1 of 2024.

Uh okay.

I'm looking it up right now.

I think it's 2603.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Uh it require according to 2603.

Um, it's a temporary state of enforcement of beer permit requirements for uh 90 days from the date of a submitted application.

So they never submitted an application in 2020 for 2025.

2025, they have not they must have um to qualify, they had to have had a valid city of Chad beer permit at some time uh prior or sometime since January 4, January 1st, 2024, and there has to be consistency of ownership, and the amnesty is triggered immediately upon the submission of a complete application for a new beer permit and payment of the required application fees last time they had a ballot application.

I mean ballot permit was December 31st, 2023 for their ballot 2024, they didn't have one.

Well, they had it January 1st, they had a January 1st through December, January 1st, 2024 through December 31st, 2024, they had it.

And according to this executive order is they would meet that requirement as long as there's been consistency of ownership, and that um they have submitted an application for a new beer permit with payment.

The application has to be complete.

So will that override the citation that regulatory gave them to?

It depends.

It's only a period of 90 days, so I'm not sure when the application was submitted.

And when the citation occurred.

Well, this executive order is not exempt.

So it goes to whoever's watching us on YouTube or whoever it's January 1st, 2020.

Okay.

So there's other suppliers or vendors that have been in this same predicament.

Been cited, came to this board also.

I am not aware of that having to start it, but um it would seem to apply to anyone who would meet the eligibility criteria.

Right.

All right.

I'd just like to say for the record, uh Chris Anderson's gonna send me the letter that was issued to Champions, and I'll read it when I receive it.

He's doing that now.

That's correct.

That's correct.

So he's aware of that letter.

That's correct.

And didn't want to notify.

I know he's probably watching.

Didn't know that.

That's the only information I have at this time, sir.

I will receive the letter shortly uh per his text and can read it for the board.

Okay.

I don't have any other knowledge of anything else surrounding the letter.

All right.

And for the sake of that information, I know we're moving to a hearing.

If this board would allow me, I would like to just pause for we can go on record of what that letter is from Mr.

Chris Anderson, if this board would allow me.

And that would close this whole case.

Any questions?

How y'all feel?

We're in the sunshine law, so y'all gotta talk back to me.

Tell Chris JW just held up the meeting.

Hey Zach, I know I know you're communicating with Chris.

Is Chris happened to be at his office?

He's in an off-site meeting.

That's the first question that I asked him, was to come over.

He wants to come over?

No, I I requested he come over due to the discussion so he could testify firsthand, but he's in an off-site meeting.

So when I mentioned the letter, he said he would uh submit the letter so that okay, so he can repeat it.

He could send it from wherever he is.

That's correct.

Okay.

And I'm unsure if it's the same letter, but it may be the same letter.

I haven't seen the letter, but maybe the same letter that this gentleman has just spoken about.

Yeah.

You have a you which letter you have?

You have you have Eddie's letter.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Sunshine law.

I can't whisper goes within the subset.

She was asking if she should read it to the Oh, she's gonna read it.

Yes.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you said you wanted to read it.

Um yes, that would be fine.

Should we have it written?

I mean the letter now.

You have the letters.

Okay.

You'll print it.

I'll get it.

Okay.

So we got two diff.

We don't know if these are the same letters just for the sake of clarity, because there's a lot going on.

I'm gonna read the the the letter uh into the record.

We're reading sent by Chris Anderson, representative of the mayor's office.

Okay.

That was just sent to me in Sergeant Cowan now electronically.

Okay.

Is that the same one?

But you and Bertha have the same.

I do not know.

All I know is the letter I have in front of me.

Okay.

Okay.

Now let me ask this for the sake of clarity.

Uh uh Mr.

AV, can he be seen on record?

I mean, they could see him on camera too.

Okay.

Okay, I just want to make sure that for the sake of record, if you're gonna read that.

He said yes.

I'm sorry.

All right.

And so we're waiting on birth the printed letter to see if the two coincide are the same.

He's retrieving those right now.

He's receiving both of them.

Well, he's retrieving the one that Miss Bertha printed.

Okay.

Which is I think she's gonna have to get it.

Oh, sorry.

Oh, she's gone back on.

I got you.

Or if that's a letter to or it's the same letter, so we're gonna just for the sake of record.

Eddie had a letter and then Chris had a letter.

Uh based on what I'm saying here, it appears to be the same letter as Mr.

Davis.

All right.

Thank you, ma'am.

Yeah.

My question is is when was the citation issued?

All right.

Uh there's a question on the floor.

Uh Sergeant Cowan.

I'm sorry to interrupt, sir.

Uh Christie has a question, and her question was, when was the citation issued.

If my memory serves me correctly, I believe in February, late February.

Um I'll have to look.

I don't have that information directly in front of me, but I believe it was late February.

Um I couldn't set it.

I couldn't set the hearing date for the April one because it was within the 30-day time frame, so that's why I went to May.

If I my memory serves me correctly, I believe they're they started the application process sometime in January, late January.

So it seems to me that we can't enforce those violations because of this executive order, correct?

That's my understanding from reading this.

Which means they don't have to appear on that date, according.

I mean, my understanding.

I think that's where some clarity needs to be sought because I don't think it I don't think it necessarily addresses that, but I think I think it's fair for the board to ask for clarity from the mayor's office about how this affects pending violations and um things of that nature.

That way you know how to proceed.

You know, these are this was something that was already on the docket.

That is good.

I mean, he started the um application process for email K in January.

I believe so, late January, somewhere around in there.

Okay.

Well, it appears to me that pursuant to the executive order, it is um an amnesty period of 90 days from the date of a submitted application to obtain a new beer permit, and that's only for citations of operating without a permit.

So knowing the date on which the complete application was submitted, is would be required so that we could look and see if they're within that amnesty period.

So my question is is how does that affect cabal thing?

Mix of the Christy, I'm glad you brought that up.

Well Christie, I'm mad that you brought that up.

Yes, all right.

Okay, there's a question on the floor.

Uh we got it.

So Chris Anderson stated he would whether the city attorney's office make the interpretation, whether it retroactively applies in whatever case, whether it's 423 taco, cabanas, etc.

champies, whoever does that apply because of the time period it covered if that business met the specific qualifications because they're the ones that wrote the letter, is the message that I have from Chris.

Okay.

So what I just heard you say, Chris said push pause until Catherine uh the city attorney's office can make that call.

That's a good interpretation.

Is it all right?

Are y'all good with it?

Christy, are y'all good with it?

Y'all good.

We can defer to the kind of seems we're being unfair to the batons, though.

If I'm reading it, since they were without a year, uh 25, right?

And this one was in 24.

So it kind of seems like I don't know to me.

I think what um the best thing to do would be for us to look at that to see if it's retroactively applied.

Um, I don't see anything in here that specifically states that.

Um, and the letter from Mr.

Anderson says that the amnesty period will expire on July 14th, 2026.

Um, so we will need to look into that to see whether or not this is going to be retroactively applied to people who had started um an application and had a complete application and met all the other requirements prior to this executive order.

Thank you.

Yeah.

All right.

Thank you.

You got all that.

Can you summarize that birthday?

And then we'll come back and make that an action.

We throw that to legal.

Let legal just come back and revisit that to us.

All right, thank you.

All right.

Y'all good.

Everybody good?

Yes, ma'am.

And he's here to pay $4,000.

Yeah.

We hold off on that because I have my receipt book ready to go.

Yeah.

Well, you asking me as vice chair or as a pastor, because at the pastor, I say get the money.

Get the check.

Get the check.

The mayor won't be saying get the check.

I think because we don't know at this point and have not made a clear determination whether or not it's retroactive or not.

I think that perhaps we should pass on accepting the money until we've made a determination about the retroactivity.

May I interject on one?

So the one violation is for the telephone reports of disorders, which would not be part of that.

So I think that should be collected.

And that's correct.

It does not appear to apply to any other citation.

Yeah.

Let's make sure he understands.

Yeah.

Well, he said he already paid a thousand somewhere.

But not for this violation.

Oh.

That was the previous.

Yes, gotcha.

I get you.

All right.

All right.

All right.

Y'all good.

We decided about the thousand.

Yeah, they just hold off on that and then uh probably move it to somewhere else, move it to this one if if he gets to get money better than I like that.

You I didn't want to keep that anyway.

All right.

I I have one comment regarding any potential when we come across this again.

The word amnesty is undefined as well.

Does that mean they have the 90-day window to continue selling beer or they can't receive any citation?

What have you?

The way that I see the executive order as it is written is that it is for operating without a beer permit.

It does not seem to address any other citations.

So for instance, if they sold to a minor, I do not believe that amnesty period would cover this executive order would cover that particular citation or violation.

I I guess my question is the intent of the executive order is seems to be to allow businesses to continue continue selling beer why the while they rectify, but okay.

Maybe I don't know what my question is.

I don't know what my question is, other than what amnesty means.

Is it just during that 90-day period they have amnesty to rectify the situation or is it okay?

I think so.

I'm sorry.

No, I was just gonna state because the next sentence says the amnesty period will expire.

So I think that you were correct, they can't be cited for an expired beer license and they can't continue to sell.

Right.

Is that what you would also legal?

I think as long as they're they have an application on file and they'll pay their fees.

Correct.

And they can or cannot serve beer, is that what you always say stating?

They can.

They can.

The scope of the offer authorization says eligible businesses may continue selling beer under the authority of this executive order while their applications are pending.

Right.

So does that mean they can just continue selling beer?

But if the site the does it waive the citation to me is the question.

It seems like it's just a grace period to get it rectified, as opposed to we can there's no site, there's no violation what whatsoever when they were operating under a beer permit.

That's the retroact.

And that and that's where we get into whether or not it's retroactive or not.

Okay.

And that's why we deferred it to the city attorney office.

Okay.

All right.

So that is a good one.

Yes, go ahead.

No, go ahead.

I'm not doing that long shot.

Uh so champions get special exception because their name is on this letter, or does this represent anybody right now, Chanduga, whose beer license is expired?

But I think that's the question.

That's question.

Does that represent anybody right now whose beer license is expired?

Or specifically for champions.

Well, the letter is for champions.

The executive order would apply to anyone who meets the criteria.

As long as they apply for beer.

Right, right.

They have to meet the criteria of having a permit after January 1st, 2024.

They have to have consistency of ownership, and they have to have a complete um application.

So somebody can come in tomorrow and apply for application, even though they permit is expired.

Well, um so this was put into effect for uh a 15-day period, and it was issued March 31st.

Um, unless it is continued through another period, the executive order by its terms expires um after 15 days, unless the mayor decides to issue another executive order.

So it's for a limited time period as to when this takes effect.

Um so if you come in under April 30th, this executive order um appears not to apply.

This don't apply to them.

So I look at it as though champions got a special privilege because they had 15 days to do this.

They didn't make this really public knowledge, or they didn't send out an email to anybody whose application is expired.

So they didn't know they had a 15-day grace period.

So some kind of ways champion got special privileges.

That's my opinion on that.

I thought that was supposed to be a second executive order sent out April the 14th.

Based on the ledge when Chris was here.

You're correct.

He said if a second one was put out, it would have been on April 14th, and he said he would send it to Bertha if a second one was issued.

April the 16th.

I don't know if one.

Well, uh, we don't know.

And I don't know if he's watching our text and Zach that tell us if one has been submitted.

Uh I love you, sir.

I don't know.

I pos the question.

I kind of would prefer to have Chris Anderson here instead of keep going through text messages through the third party.

Let's do it.

So let's uh is that through legal?

I don't know.

Uh is that through legal or regulatory or bertha to invite Chris to the next meeting?

Or or see watch and say Chris, you've been summing.

How does that happen?

I'm just saying you had another question.

You was telling him to send me another.

I don't know.

And so I'm just asking how do we invite him?

I don't want to hear any more answers through a third person.

Do you all invite him or can we certainly reach out to Mr.

Anderson?

All right, let's do that.

All right.

So according to bring all your questions to the next meeting on May 7th.

Uh, and if Chris is available, he'll be here uh to be able to answer our questions regarding this.

Before we end this, I just want to finish one statement.

Is that from you or from Chris?

This is from Chris Anderson.

Okay, stating it will be extended for an additional 15 days today.

This is likely the only extension, and he can show up and testify for himself regarding this as you see fit.

I just wanted to read the answer for record.

So as of today, there's an extension going forth.

Is that what I heard you say?

Use the word it will be future tense.

So I'm not sure that that is created yet.

Okay.

You got all that.

Okay.

All right.

Y'all good?

Nope.

Let me go around the room for the sake of the record.

Christy, you good?

I'm good.

Veronica?

No.

All right.

You want to stay for the record?

No.

No, yes, I good.

No good.

Okay.

Jane, you good?

Yes.

You good?

Uh Bethy?

I'm fine.

My only comment there is that it's not technically an extension if we've missed it by two days.

It would be a new executive order.

Am I correct?

Legal.

Uh this current executive order would expire after 15 days.

And let me see what it says about.

It just says that it can be extended as necessary for any additional 15-day increments.

It does not state whether or not that it okay.

Um that it would have to be within that 15-day period that you would then extend it.

But by its terms, this executive order has expired.

Okay.

All right.

Zach, you good?

Yes.

All right.

Well, we don't public comments.

Anybody else for the sake of the record?

No public comments?

All right.

Next on the agenda calls for the adjournment of this meeting.

Uh, can I get a motion?

I make a motion to adjourn.

Second a motion.

All right, it's been motion second that this meeting has been adjourned.

Thank you.

Thank you.