Meeting of the governing body to order.

Madam Clerk, would you take the roll?

Dr.

Aldrich.

Present.

Mayor Collins.

Present.

Dr.

Edmonds.

Present.

Mr.

Esquebel?

Here.

Mr.

Laybord.

Here.

Mr.

Moody.

Present.

Dr.

Rennie?

Present.

Mr.

Royball.

Here.

Mr.

Seagrave.

Present.

Mr.

White.

Present.

All members are present.

We do have a quorum.

Would you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

To the Republic for which it stands.

One nation.

Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Consent agenda.

All agenda items listed with the designation of CA are considered to be routine items by the governing body and will be enacted by one motion.

There will be no separate discussion on these items unless a member of the governing body so requests and support by two other members is received.

Any item removed from the consent agenda will be considered in its normal sequence on the agenda.

We have a very short consent agenda tonight, but is there any item a member of the governing body would like to remove?

Hearing none, I would entertain a motion.

So moved.

Second.

Move by Mr.

Seagrave, seconded by Mr.

Escobel.

All those in favor of the consent agenda, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed.

The consent agenda is approved.

Number six, ordinance, second reading, annexing to the city of Cheyenne, Wyoming, land northeast section of Frontier Mall Drive, Rutair Avenue, and west of Converse Avenue.

All right.

We have an owner-initiated annexation request of 18.62 acres for the potential sighting of a new grocery store.

Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak to this motion before us?

Hearing none, Mr.

Seagrave.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on second reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Dr.

Emmons.

Comments from members of the governing body.

Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed.

The ordinance is approved on second reading.

Number seven, ordinance, second reading, amending the official zoning map of the city of Cheyenne, establishing the zoning classification of CB community business for land annexed to the city of Cheyenne, located northeast of the intersection of Frontier Mall Drive and Route Air Avenue and west of Converse Avenue.

All right.

State law says if you have uh a piece of annexed land, you probably need to give it a city zone.

And so we try to match that zone to the closest that the county that is zoned in the county, which currently is CB, and we'll ask for any comments from members of the audience on the zone change before us.

Hearing none, Mr.

Seagrave.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on second reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Mr.

White.

Comments on the zone change for members of the governing body.

Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed.

The annexation is approved on second reading.

Number eight, ordinance, second reading, amending the official zoning map of the city of Cheyenne, changing the zoning classification for land located southwest of the intersection of Holland Court and Ridge Road from AG Agricultural to N R2, neighborhood residential, medium density.

All right, we have an owner-initiated zone change request to accommodate a potential housing development.

Anybody in the audience would like to speak to that?

Please come forward.

It's going to be an easy night, it looks like.

Thank you.

Mr.

Seagrave.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on second reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Mr.

White.

Comments on the zone change from the governing body.

Hearing none, all those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Aye.

And those opposed.

The zone changes approved on second reading.

Number nine, ordinance, second reading, creating section 10.24.200.

Vehicle mufflers, excessive smoke and unreasonable noise, and repealing section 8.56.050, motor vehicle mufflers of the municipal code of the city of Cheyenne, Wyoming, to revise and enhance provisions governing vehicle mufflers and noise to establish a graduated penalty structure for recurring offenses and to make conforming amendments as specified.

Sir, welcome.

How are you this evening?

I'm Howard Bauer, uh, Fifth Avenue and Moore.

Just wanted a clarification if this included the taxi bicycles during Frontier Days, also Frontier Days bands.

Uh any kind of noise like out of cars.

Does that also include noise from those?

Sir, I would think uh the frontier days bands have a specific noise permit which allows them to go for certain hours of the day.

So I would say that that would not be the case.

As far as the uh taxi uh pedicabs, though, they have a license to uh provide services, but I don't think they have a license to make a lot of noise unless they have a noise permit.

So I would I would guess that they would be included under this ordinance.

So as long as you get a permit, no matter what kind of vehicle you can make noise.

No, sir.

I'm saying you can get a permit to provide the services, but um if they're making a lot of noise, I believe they could be ticketed under this ordinance.

Okay.

Is this the place also about open container?

Uh we have open other business after this, but if you want to slip it in really quick, we probably keep you from having to stay in the middle of the day.

Because there was people defecating, fornicating, urinating, drunk drinking.

And when I called the police, they said the open container law is no longer in effect.

It's you can drink anywhere in Cheyenne.

Um that's not correct.

Mr.

Brody, do you have the the potential boundaries?

I believe it's the uh central business, the DDA district, but I think then maybe you need to educate the police officers that are patrolling that area.

Well, our chief and the captain are sitting right over there, they've been educated, sir.

Thank you.

And I've talked to the chief and the lieutenant, but this was their officer, and he came out and said that's they got rid of that law.

So thank you.

Appreciate you.

Thank you, sir.

All right, we're on the noise ordinance.

Anyone else here to speak to it?

Please come forward, sir.

Good evening.

Hi, how are you?

We're doing well, thank you.

Glad you're here.

Yeah.

Um if you could introduce yourself first, it would help us.

Yeah, my name is Don Knth.

Thank you.

Um I I'm a car collector, and my cars make noise.

Um of my cars is a bone stock 2020 Ford Mustang, Shelby GT500.

And according to the decibel meter that we met with the police last week on my car is louder than what that decibel meter will allow.

I it passes federal DOT standards and federal DOT laws, so my understanding is uh I I get it the city can have an ordinance to uh prohibit loud cars and and I know what they're trying to do.

They're trying to limit the bikes and stuff like that that think that the city streets are a racetrack.

However, I don't I completely disagree with this law because I I believe it's just a stepping stone to more laws that are going to inhibit me from modifying my cars and and friends that I hang out with and doing the same.

I think there are plenty of laws on the books already as far as disturbance of the peace and stuff like that that people could be cited for when they're when they're making obnoxious noise with their loud mufflers or loud cars.

Well, I know you for a long time, and I know you've been into this for a long time too, so thank you for coming tonight.

Yeah, thank you.

Yep.

Anybody.

Good evening, sir.

If you push that button and turn the microphone on and pull that microphone down so it's pointed right at you.

There you go.

Welcome.

Thank you.

My name is Vic Contrado, and uh good evening to all the council members here.

Uh on this noise issue.

I firmly believe that uh we need noise abatement in the city.

We've needed that for years now.

And I can't think of any good reason why excessive noise should be allowed.

Uh I've been around heavy equipment, cars, trucks, airplanes, and whatnot.

And um, I don't think there's any call to make that kind of noise.

And it's one of these issues, where do one person's rights leave off in another's beginning on that?

And I kind of have sympathy because a lot of the in my career I've been subject to working shift work and trying to get some sleep.

For example, I imagine law enforcement officers that patrolling the streets at night have to sleep during the day, rotating shifts, truck drivers.

Um excuse me, medical first responders and on on.

And I'd like to see uh or encourage the council to uh pass this and really crack down on noise.

Thank you.

Appreciate you being here this evening.

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else want to speak this evening?

Run the noise ordinance online.

Who do you have?

Mr.

Sheldon, you should be able to unmute yourself.

Oh yes, Mr.

Sheldon.

Welcome more too.

Oh, thank you.

Yeah, so I just wanted to speak uh in opposition of this ordinance, at least as it's written.

Um I was actually in the middle.

I just got off of work, so I was in the middle of typing my notes out, but uh got to me clearly quick.

But basically, my main concerns are the lack of a decibel limit that's noted in the ordinance.

Um, and you know, the wording like prima fascia for the officers uh discretion on the matter.

Um I'm not opposed to police having tools to deal with the legitimate issues, but I think part of it, you know, I I understand that the current um ordinance, which is being repealed as part of this, um already had some information in there for some language in there for like aftermarket exhaust and things like this.

Part of my concern is that's not addressed in this ordinance either.

You know, there are a large number of aftermarket exhausts that don't delete emissions equipment, they're perfectly legal, as the gentleman before said, um, you know, they're DOT legal.

Um I have one of these on one of my vehicles.

Um it has all the standard equipment to pass an emissions test, if not super loud.

In fact, I've installed a post muffler because I'm over 40 years old and I don't like excess noise.

Um, but you know, a lot of people have these things, and so I think there needs to be you know some modification of this.

I provided uh something to uh Dr.

Aldrich and some others at a meeting a couple Saturdays ago.

Um but the other concern is you know, it's going from memory here.

The other concern is the um the possible jail time.

I know it would take three events within a year, um, but I still think that's kind of ridiculous for a noise issue.

I think a lot of people here we do have a legitimate issue with noise in some places, and there obviously isn't an issue with a minority of people that are feeding around.

I think the police have the tools to address those people already, and this might help in that regard, but you know, I think a lot of like normal people that are just minding their own business, they're not being too loud, are gonna get uh insnared in this.

And that's my concern.

Thank you.

Thanks, Mr.

Sheldon.

Anyone else?

No one else, no one online.

Okay, Mr.

Seagrave.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on second reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Mr.

White.

Mr.

Mayor.

Sir.

I move to postpone to the September 8th, 2025 meeting of the governing body.

Second.

All right, we have a motion to postpone by Mr.

Seagrave, seconded by Dr.

Aldridge.

We'll go back out to the audience to see if anybody has any comments on the uh postponement.

I believe the reason for the postponement was to give um time for more community input before we make a final decision.

Uh anybody in the audience want to speak to that.

How about from the governing body?

Dr.

Aldridge?

Uh Mayor Collins through you.

Um, the reason I had asked for the postponement um at the committee meeting, and I would encourage my colleagues to vote for it tonight, is that I really do believe that as we're forging this new ordinance and changing the ordinance we currently have in order to um make you know to try and come up with a solution.

I think that is important to have conversation with um people that will be impacted by this who are car enthusiasts and motorcyclist enthusiasts, as well as to make sure that it's something that um is enforceable and that it is actually a workable tool for our police department.

Um we uh during this postponement, I hope that uh we'll be able to um make sure that we have our ordinance so that it we don't end up having to change it again um in the near future.

Other comments or Mr.

Moody.

Uh thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Through you uh first thank you to everybody that uh participated in public comment.

And again, if you have any suggestions for amendments, we're all open to it because this is not set in stone.

So please email us, offer suggestions, offer what you like, what you don't like.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Anyone else on the governing body?

Motion is postponed for two weeks.

All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed.

The motion to postpone is approved, and we'll take this back up on the September 8th meeting of the governing body.

Next item is number 14A on page three.

So move.

Second.

Move by Dr.

Aldridge, seconded by Mr.

Royble.

All those in favor of the reappointments, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, three appointments are approved.

14B appointments of Ashley Jeffrey and Lexi Lecembi to the Housing and Community Development Advisory Board.

Stan Hartzign to the Downtown Development Authority Board and Scott Van Horn to the Tourism Promotion Joint Powers Board.

I would move to approve.

Move by Dr.

Aldridge and seconded by Mr.

White.

All right.

All those in favor of those appointments, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed, those appointments are also approved.

Voucher report.

Is there anybody in the audience or on the governing body that would like to speak to the vouchers?

Hearing none, next item, please.

Revenue report.

Same thing.

Anybody in the audience or in the governing body that would like to speak to the revenue report?

All right, next item, please.

Announcement that due to city offices being closed for the Labor Day holiday on Monday, September 1st, 2025.

Regularly scheduled city council committee meetings will instead be held in city council chambers 2101 O'Neill Avenue, Shane, Wyoming, and via electronic conference meetings as follows.

Public Services Committee will meet Tuesday, September 2nd, 2025 at noon, and finance committee will meet Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025 at noon.

Announcement of a public hearing to be held September 8th, 2025 at 6 o'clock PM in City Council Chambers 2101 O'Neill Avenue, Cheyenne, Wyoming, and via Electronic Conference meeting to determine whether compliance of annexation conditions required by Wyoming Statute 15-1-402 is exist for the city initiated annexation of 35 parcels of land totaling roughly 20.19 acres comprised of various tracts of land and rights of way situate in East Cheyenne, generally located south of Del Range Boulevard, west of Dry Creek, east of North Dell Range, and north of Cheyenne Street.

Announcement of a public hearing to be held September 8th, 2025 at 6 o'clock PM in City Council Chambers 2101 O'Neill Avenue, Cheyenne, Wyoming, and via Electronic Conference meeting for a barn roll liquor license application filed with the city clerk's office for Rich Rich Up LLC doing business as Wasabi Japanese Steakhouse, 4620 Grandview Grandview Avenue, number 205.

Other business.

All right.

We're ready for other business.

Anybody here in the audience want to speak to us under other business?

Other business?

Yes.

Don, you got off easy tonight.

We had a quick meeting.

I like our new timers.

Those are cool.

Don Edward turn turn the microphone on, you turned it off.

Turn the microphone on, you turned it off.

There you go.

My name is Don Edmonds.

I have a couple of deals for you.

Number one is the Heinz building and the uh the hole.

Okay, I've done security with the Heinz building, and uh it's a it's kind of nasty inside when you get up in the upper floors.

But the only thing is in the Heinz building, to restore that building, you're gonna have to totally gut it.

Because the man built it was out of stone, and then they poured concrete floors in there.

That's where they put the wires, is inside the concrete.

So there's nothing in there to pull wires through.

So if you're trying to redo it, you're gonna have to totally tear all the floors out, completely redo it, and it's gonna be really cost prohibitive.

Uh secondly, Mr.

Edmonds, you know the city doesn't own the Heinz building, correct?

Uh huh.

You know the city does not own the Heinz building.

I knew that that, but I saw you guys were getting ready to enter into an agreement with Leeds.

Okay.

Okay.

Secondly, your pump station.

Okay, you guys have enough money to totally rebuild that pump station.

And when I say that, because when Christians project was made, Christensen Road, when they dedicated it, they said that there was a three million dollars under budget for uh doing it.

So they'd save three million dollars.

You also saved a half a million dollars when you bought the uh the park Pershing and Whitney.

So there's three and a half million dollars.

Why can't you use some of that money to restore the pump station?

Because that is an historic building that needs to be saved.

It's just absolutely uh a shame to be slightly said, and I don't understand why all of a sudden everybody's got this fixation on it, because it's been there for years, and it just set there.

The police use it for storage forever, and now suddenly it's you know, oh, it's got to be taken care of.

But the other thing is you know, you get into that.

There's there's a whole bunch of things that are going on here in town around here.

Number one, you guys are getting all these data centers in here.

Okay, right now the data centers are using more electricity than is generated in the entire state of Wyoming.

And we are going to add more data centers.

Where's the electricity going to come from?

Thank you very much.

Don, that number's not true.

We do not we do not use more electricity in the data centers we do in the whole state of Wyoming yet.

But there will be a time in the future where I I think that that will probably be the case for sure.

I really do think that that's probably coming if we're successful enough and keep getting the data centers here.

Okay.

I have been doing my research on what what these these places take.

And the uh the energy requirements for a data center are astronomical.

Just you know, it's it's it's scary how much electricity they have to have.

And I just can't see.

And the thing is is we have all these wind farms going around in the state of Wyoming, but there's no energy coming back to the population of the citizens of the state of Wyoming.

Why?

I mean, you you if they're gonna manufacture it, let's quit giving all the power out of state.

Let's take some of it and give it back to the residents of Wyoming.

I think this whole group would agree with you that uh but um again, we live in America, we don't get to tell people what they get to do with their property, right?

If they choose to sell it outside the state, then that's their choice.

But now that we have customers, I think you're gonna see more and more of that electricity get used locally.

So that's a good thing, sir.

Thank you for being here tonight.

Myself, I have no problem.

I I have six acres of land, four of it is being turned into a solar farm, and I have a generic generator, so I'm not gonna worry about electricity myself whatsoever.

Because the thing about it is, you know, it's it's nice to be in a county where I can do that.

But it's just the idea that you know, I see all this stuff going, you know, and uh again, you know uh you folks probably understand that I have run for House District 10 for a number of times, it just got changed, so I got kicked out because it's now it's 43.

But the uh the thing is one of my biggest pet projects is water, and the it's getting really scary because uh right now Cheyenne's setting in pretty good shape.

You guys have done a really good job on that.

But the thing about it is in the future it may not be there, you know.

And that's that's kind of scary because you know, this is the high desert.

And if you don't have water, there's no sense in you know, people wanting to move out here and live here because if you can't drink, have a drink of water, you know, and people are people are funny because they get mad because it rains here, and I just ask them when they're uh it's raining like that with the last couple days.

Do you like to drink?

Well, yeah.

I said, but be grateful it's raining.

You know, but the thing is, it's just the idea that there's so much stuff out here going on, and it's it is kind of scary.

And you know, and I've got into this, and I personally have watched this city council go 360 degrees on a project, and I had people told me I was didn't know what I was talking about, so I went in and brought a bunch of photographs that when I was in high school that we used to go out to Little America and have coffee because it was a 24-hour coffee shop, and we had these beautiful old growth trees lining or west Lincoln Way.

It was absolutely gorgeous.

Then a city council decided they didn't like them, they cut them all down, got rid of them, and asphalted the islands over.

Another city council decided they didn't like the asphalted islands, so they tore them out and made it a roadway.

Then another city council said, Oh, we have to beautify the city of Cheyenne, so they put islands with trees back in.

360 degrees.

Thank you.

Have a good evening.

Anybody else in the audience tonight?

All right, how about from the governing body?

Dr.

Aldridge.

Yes, sir.

I just wanted to um say thank you to Chief Francisco and his officer team that um met with the Cowboys and Cars Car Club on Thursday evening um to talk about the new noise ordinance that's being proposed.

And then um the officers that worked really hard, and one in particular they say until 8:30 quarter till nine doing decibel checks um for the uh over 80 people that showed up to that meeting.

Um, there's a lot of interest in this um ordinance, and I think that um there was a lot of education that happened on both sides um about cars and vehicles and um what comes stock and what doesn't come stock and um how many decibels different vehicles and different motorcycles um generated um and interestingly enough, differently from the front of the car to the back of the car.

So um, but really appreciate the patience and the time and energy that uh Chief Francisco and his officer team took to um answer questions and to work with our local residents and our local car clubs.

Anyone else?

Mr.

Seagret, Mr.

Mayor, I just want to thank CRE and their staff for and uh Jennifer, our our assistant uh and director Cobb, I believe, was very involved in the golf tournament last week, the city golf tournament.

It was a good time, and a lot of people participated, and and uh those that did had a lot of fun.

So thank you all.

It was a good time, thank you guys.

Anyone else?

I have one thing that I just want to mention to uh and hopefully the media will will follow up again.

But uh this governing body passed an oversized vehicle ordinance uh earlier this year, which basically from late five days before labor, or like after Labor Day, after Labor Day, to uh five days um after Memorial Day bans vehicles that are 25 feet or more in length, nine feet or more in height, or eight and a half feet more in width.

And so um that's coming up before our next city council meeting.

And uh so I just would like to get it out on the record again one more time so that we don't have uh problems if your vehicles meet uh 25 feet in length, nine feet in height, or eight and a half feet in width.

Um we need to find a home for them uh off this the the right of way from basically Labor Day to Memorial Day.

And with that, um I believe we need to um ask for an executive session um of the city council so we can talk about a couple of opportunities uh with the purchase of maybe some buildings, Mr.

Mayor, pursuant to Wyoming statute section 16-4-405, a Romanette 7.

I move that the governing body meet an executive session to consider or receive information classified as confidential by law.

Seconded by Dr.

Emmons.

All those in favor of going into executive session, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Those opposed.

Okay, just so everybody knows when we uh get done with executive session, we're gonna join the meeting.

No other business will happen.

And so with that, I'll ask everybody to leave uh except for the staff that needs to be here for this uh this meeting.

I wish you all a good evening, and we'll see you again hopefully in two weeks.

I don't know if there's any again.

Any other things you want me to discuss with them other than what's on here?

Mr.

Sanchez, will you?

All right, we've got a pothole we're gonna do right down here on on 20th and pioneer.

So that's gonna give you an idea of what we deal with when we're working in traffic.

Okay.

Of all of our jobs, I would say this is probably our most dangerous.

Is that right?

Yes.

Because you're actually out in the traffic yourself.

In the traffic, you're protected by the flower.

Okay, I get that.

And here you're out and you're susceptible.

This is us, huh?

This is us.

All right, let's do this.