Gentlemen, I'd like to call the September 8th meeting of the governing body to order.

Madam Clerk, if you take the roll.

Mr.

White.

Present.

Dr.

Aldrich.

Present.

Mayor Collins.

Here.

Dr.

Emmons.

Present.

Mr.

Escobel.

Here.

Mr.

Leborn.

Present.

Mr.

Moody.

Present.

Dr.

Rennie.

Present.

Mr.

Royble.

Here.

Mr.

Seagrave.

One member is absent.

We do have a quorum.

Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the fly of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands.

Individual with liberty and justice for all.

Consent agenda.

All agenda items listed with the designation of CA are considered to be routine items by the governing body and will be enacted by one motion.

There will be no separate discussion on these items unless a member of the governing body so requests in support by two other members is received.

Any item removed from the consent agenda will be considered in its normal sequence on the agenda.

All right, are there any items some member of this governing body would like to remove from the consent agenda?

Hearing none, I'd entertain a motion.

So move.

Second.

It's been moved by Dr.

Aldrich and seconded by Mr.

White.

All those in favor of the consent agenda, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

And those opposed.

The consent agenda is approved.

Number six A, public hearing to determine whether compliance of annexation conditions required by Wyoming Statute 15-1-402 exists for the city initiated annexation of 35 parcels of land totaling roughly 20.19 acres comprised of various tracts of land in rights of way situated in East Cheyenne, generally located south of Del Range Boulevard, west of Dry Creek, east of North College Drive, and north of Cheyenne Street.

All right, we have the next iteration of our city initiated county pocket annexation.

And before we go out to the public, we'll start with a quick staff report.

Mayor members of council, Connor White Planning and Development Department.

This annexation is for 35 parcels of land and very rights of way, totaling roughly 20.19 acres, generally located south of Dell Range Boulevard, west of Dry Creek, east of North College Drive, and north of Cheyenne Street.

So this is a city initiated annexation person to Wyoming State Statute 15-1-404A.

Or sorry, 404.

A resolution uh initiating this annexation was adopted by the governing body on July 28th, uh 2025.

This public hearing is being held in accordance with Wyoming State Statute 15-1-402A.

Uh person to fulfilling the requirements in state statute, staff asks the governing body to consider the following.

The land annexed or the land proposed to be annexed is contiguous to city current city limits.

Specifically, the parcels are 100% contiguous.

Extending water and sewer will increase the health safety and welfare of the residents living in the this area of the community.

The area to be annexed is inside the urban service boundary and designated mixed-use commercial and urban residential by the future land use map.

This type of development is best seen or yeah, best supported by being within city limits and connecting to city services.

And a certified mailing was sent to all landowners and utilities within the annexed area, not less than 20 business days prior to the public hearing.

According to the calendar, 20 business days prior to today's hearing was August 8th.

Certified mailing was sent out on August 6th, and the earliest confirmed receipt was August 8th.

And then property owners within 300 feet of all the subject properties were also mailed notice at the same time.

This was back at the beginning of July.

Um the comments received at that time were typical comments we've seen at every meeting.

People just not happy with city trash collection, um, wanting to know what improvements they would need to do, if any, uh water and sewer connections, things like that.

Other than that, I have not had any additional calls or comments from anyone in this neighborhood since that meeting.

Because I do know I was gonna get that question.

I was gonna ask it for you if you didn't, sir.

So wonderful.

Thank you, Mr.

White.

Uh, any questions from the governing body for our staff?

Connor, thank you.

How about from the audience?

Is there anybody in the audience here today to speak under this public hearing for the annexation of these 35 parcels all right?

Hearing none, the uh purpose of the public hearing has been met, and we'll move on to the next item.

Public public hearing for a barn grill liquor license application filed with the city clerk's office for Rich Rich Up LLC doing business as Wasabi Japanese Steakhouse, 4620 Grandview Avenue number 205.

All right, we'll open this public hearing up and do we Madam Clerk.

Do you want to give a quick report on what's going on here or please?

Mayor through you.

Um the bar and grill liquor license pursuant to Wyoming state statute shall not be sold, transferred or assigned by the holder.

So a bar and grill liquor license is not transferable.

Um there is a caveat that would be applicable if um only the principles were changing with the legal entity, but that is not the case.

So the new owners are applying for a new bar and grill license.

Um at which time that is approved, the existing one will be relinquished, and we that will go back into our bucket of barn grill licenses.

So they have to pay the 10,500 to get the new license, and uh this doesn't change the number that we have of barn grill licenses.

That's correct.

Okay.

All right, is there anybody in the audience here today that would like to speak to the uh uh the new request for a bar and grill license from Wasabi Japanese Steakhouse?

Oh, we're here for that.

Ma'am, if you want to come up to the microphone here, please you've not been here before.

If you push that button until the light turns green, take that microphone pointed at you and tell us your name, please.

Uh my name is Adriana Medina.

I'm actually the general manager at Wasabi.

Wonderful.

Thanks for being here.

Yeah.

Um, so we I have all of um the paperwork showing where we did already pay the 10,600 and also the other 100 for the training ticket transferred over.

Sounds great.

And so you guys are taking over the the restaurant from the previous owners.

Is that what in all reality they're pretty much like brother and sister, so it kind of just transferred from the brother to the sister.

Stay it's staying in the family.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

Does anybody have any questions for the applicant?

Thank you so much for being here tonight.

And good luck, okay.

Thank you.

Anyone else in the audience?

How about from the governing body?

I have a question.

Dr.

Aldrich.

Mayor Collins through you.

I'm just wondering how many uh bar and grill like liquor licenses we have right now that are available.

I know that this number doesn't change that, but I wanted to know how many we have total.

Yes, there's four.

Thank you.

All right.

No other questions from the governing body.

Uh the purpose of the public hearing has been met, and we'll assign this item to the finance committee.

And for you guys, that means they will meet next Tuesday, if I remember correctly, in this room at noon.

Okay.

Thanks.

Thank you for being here.

Number seven, ordinance third reading, annexing to the city of Cheyenne, Wyoming, land northeast of the intersection of Front Terminal Drive and Route Avenue and west of Converse Avenue.

All right, this is an owner-initiated annexation of 18.62 acres that we hope will become a new grocery store here in the near future.

And at this time, we'll open it up for anybody in the audience that would like to speak to that.

Anybody here on the annexation?

Hearing none, Mr.

White.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on third and final reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Dr.

Emmons.

Comments for members of the governing body.

Hearing none, Madam Clerk.

Mr.

White?

Yes.

Dr.

Aldrich?

Yes.

Mayor Collins.

Yes.

Dr.

Emmons?

Yes.

Mr.

Escapel?

Aye.

Mr.

Labourne?

Aye.

Mr.

Moody?

Aye.

Dr.

Rennie?

Yes.

Mr.

Royble.

Yes.

The annexation is approved on third and final reading.

Number eight ordinance, third reading, amending the official zoning map of the city of Cheyenne, establishing the zoning classification of CB community business for land annexed to the city of Cheyenne, located northeast of the intersection of Frontier Mall Drive and Route Air Avenue and west of Converse Avenue.

All right.

We just annexed a piece of property and state law says it has to have a city zone.

So we are going to establish the city's uh the city zoning as close to what is there in the county as we can.

Luckily, in this case, it's C B, which is exactly what the new applicant wants.

So we will uh um we'll put that as our count, our city zone.

Is there anybody here that wants to speak to that zone establishment?

Hearing none, Mr.

White.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on third and final reading, and I so move.

Second.

Second by Dr.

Aldridge.

Comments from members of the governing body on the zone.

Hearing none, Madam Clerk.

Mr.

Royble?

Yes.

Mr.

White?

Yes.

Dr.

Aldrich?

Yes.

Mayor Collins?

Yes.

Dr.

Emmons?

Yes.

Mr.

Escobel.

Aye.

Mr.

Labourne.

Mr.

Moody.

Aye.

Dr.

Rennie.

Yes.

The zone establishment is approved on third and final reading.

Number nine, ordinance, third reading, amending the official zoning map of the city of Cheyenne, changing the zoning classification for land located southwest of the intersection of Holland Court and Ridge Road from AG Agricultural to NR2, neighborhood residential, medium density.

All right.

This is an owner requested zone change of 10.94 acres that would allow for a new residential development.

Anyone here that would like to speak to that?

Mr.

Stephen, welcome.

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh Jason Stephen, um, bedrock development.

Uh Mayor, through you to council.

I just wanted to say thank you for your support, and we really look forward to getting started on this project.

And as I had mentioned before, we'll we'll do uh like an open house for the neighbors, and when we do that, we will definitely invite every one of you to join us for that.

And if you have any questions, I'm here to answer them.

Any questions for the the applicant?

Dr.

Aldridge?

I just a comment, Mayor Collins to you.

I just want to say how much I appreciate your willingness to um come back to us and to work with the neighbors.

Um I think that that's gonna be um long to pay long-term benefits and dividends that um we don't even understand yet.

So thank you for reaching out to them and working with them.

Okay, thank you.

Mr.

Stephen, are you going to uh do that after you've done some engineering on kind of what the plan would be then?

So you'll kind of flesh that out and then yes.

So um obviously we've thought about some different options, but we haven't done any of the engineering yet or you know, done any of real detailed layouts, and we want to be able to show what we feel like it's gonna look like.

So we'll take a little time to do that engineering, um, do some site plans, trying to make them look nice and pretty so people can see what we're what our plan is for.

Yes.

I appreciate you so much.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Thank you, sir.

Anyone else in the audience that would like to speak to this zone change?

All right, Mr.

White.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on third and final reading, and I so move.

Second.

It's been seconded by Dr.

Emmons.

Comments from members of the governing body.

Hearing none, Madam Clerk.

Dr.

Rennie?

Yes.

Mr.

Royble?

Yes.

Mr.

White?

Yes.

Dr.

Aldrich?

Yes.

Mayor Collins?

Yes.

Dr.

Emmons?

Yes.

Mr.

Escobel?

Aye.

Mr.

Laborne?

Aye.

Mr.

Moody.

Aye.

The zone change unanimously approved on third and final reading.

Number 10.

Ordinance second reading, creating section 10.24.200 vehicle mufflers, excessive smoke and unreasonable noise and repealing section 8.56.050 motor vehicle mufflers of the municipal code of the city of Cheyenne, Wyoming, to revise and enhance provisions governing vehicle mufflers and noise to establish a graduated penalty structure for recurring offenses and to make conforming amendments as specified.

All right.

This is a city council goal to reduce vehicle speeding and vehicle noise in the community, and we'll open it up to the public.

Is there anybody here that would like to speak to this this evening?

We're happy you're here.

If you could just turn on that that button there, the green button.

Tell us your name, and we'd love to hear from you.

Hi, I'm Jesse Eblin.

I live right off of Dell Range.

Um I'm here on behalf of the Cheyenne Cowboys and Cars community.

I have met with you guys before.

Um and we also just had a meeting, what, two weeks ago with the police station doing the decibel readings, and it really um educated us, not only us, but also I know you guys as long as well with it.

Um and we would like to know what has changed within the ordinance that's different from the original one that was proposed.

To my knowledge, I don't think anything is changed at this point.

Okay.

Is there anything that could possibly be changed in the near future?

Is there something that you would like to see changed?

I think that's what we're here to hear.

Um to hear to listen to or listen for today.

So the decibel reading, what we kind of figured out is not all of us hit that.

I think it was 80, 80 decibels, and we don't really know if it's at start or uh acceleration or at idle, and we would really like to know what that is.

What the you know, yeah.

I think you know, in talking to our police officers, maybe our chief needs to come up and and maybe talk about this a little bit.

Um, you know, I think what what they're looking for is you know, if you're uh if you're noon on a Saturday um and the cars a little noisier, you know, maybe that's not as important.

But at two o'clock on a Tuesday morning, and you're sitting at a stop light and you're revving your engines and making a backfire and pop and things like that.

Um, you know, I I think that's what we're looking for is to is the the car community and and the motorcycle community to you know understand, you know, we like it to be quieter if we could please, and uh especially in the evenings and times like that.

So maybe the chief could speak to you know from his perspective, if that would help you.

Mark Francisco, Chief of Police.

Um I I missed the first part of the actual question.

It was it about the decibel readings.

Yeah, she's just concerned about the decibels, some of their cars, and whether that's at startup or acceleration or you know, those types of things, and and how that would be looked at by the police department.

It's honestly the decibel reading would be at any time during the operation of the vehicle, or it could pertain to loud music.

Um it really goes beyond vehicles anyway, it goes to generators, things like that.

So it's it's really uh at any time during the operation.

Does that help, ma'am?

Did you do you have any other more statements for us?

This is your time.

Thank you guys so much for working with us.

We really do appreciate it.

And there are quite a few of us in the audience, and I know there's quite a few of us online as well that have joined in on this, especially within the first ever reading of it, I guess.

There were quite a few of us here, and quite a few of us online.

And we'd really like to extend our thanks for working with us on this.

We're happy that you're here.

Thank you so much.

Anyone else in the audience want to speak to us this evening?

You please come forward, ma'am.

We're happy to have you here.

Please identify yourself, okay?

My name is Holly Clink, and I'm here on behalf of um, can I have you do me a favor, please bring that microphone closer to you?

Or just you know, aim it, aim it towards you.

There you go.

People in the audience can't hear if you don't.

Okay.

Well, we have a lot of feedback from the community too.

And the biggest thing that we have to say is that we think the that the cops need to enforce the current laws that they already have before they go making changes and amendments too.

So if they could just please enforce what they already have without making any changes, that would be great.

Appreciate that.

Thank you for being here.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

How about online?

Mr.

Mayor, I had a call from uh Mr.

Steven Jacobson earlier today that was interested in speaking, and I just noticed he's online and wanted to see if he'd like to speak.

Mr.

Jacobson, do you want to speak?

And if you do, put your hand up and we'll uh we'll let you into the meeting.

Mr.

Jacobson, you should be able to unmute yourself and go ahead.

Can you hear me now?

We sure can, sir.

Thanks for being here this evening.

I've communicated to some of you uh about some observations.

I have some experience with noise as it relates to the industrial environment.

Um a couple things is I don't see some specificity in the ordinance.

I heard that the chief is talking about decibel readings, and uh I think that's good, but I don't see that in the ordinance.

And I've provided some suggestions that people may want to to include about how to measure the noise.

And there's a lot of body of information out there that is readily available that we could incorporate into this ordinance that would strengthen it.

Uh I think people need to be aware of what they're shooting for.

And the only way I know they can do that is if it's written in the ordinance.

And I think it's quite a burden on the police department to have to figure out what is appropriate, and I'm not sure how they're making those decisions.

The things that I'm hearing that the chief is talking about is pretty consistent with what I've seen in the literature on environmental noise.

So I provided some suggestions as to how to do this.

There's ways to measure the noise of these vehicles, and it needs to be standardized.

And um I particularly concerned if somebody comes and uh is not happy with the decision that a police officer is making, and then what backup does he have to support the conclusions that there's the noise is too loud.

Um maybe I misreading the ability of the police officers and their capabilities, but I think if this ordinance defines exactly what they're supposed to be doing and how to do it, I think it'll be strengthened quite a bit.

Sir, I I appreciate those comments, and I remember your email.

Um and I think one thing to remember is this is not the only part of our ordinance.

This is just an addition to it.

So we do have an ordinance some decibel readings.

Uh I believe that's 80 decibels is the uh the maximum.

So all this does is adds language to our already existing ordinances uh to try to give us a little bit uh more ability to uh to enforce it.

And how is that measured?

I think with a decibel reader, decibel reader at 25 feet is what the current ordinance specifies.

And is that done in any particular manner as far as just on the street?

Is that how you're going to do this or what?

Um Mr.

Mayor, through you.

I I would point out that this is an existing ordinance, and um it's one of the reasons the difficulty of doing that on on moving vehicles is one of the reasons why we're here um trying to modify the noise ordinance.

It it does not work very well, and we we don't believe it's very effective for moving vehicles.

Sir, did you have any other comments?

I'm still confused with how you're going to measure this noise.

I mean, I I totally support uh quieting down the city.

I'm not any arguing with that.

I just don't know how you're going to measure it.

I understand now there's a different ordinance that may define how you do that.

But I think the ADDB is appropriate.

Uh the question is is where how are you going to do that?

And in what type of surrounding are you going to be in?

And I I don't maybe if I had that ordinance, that may be helpful to me.

Sounds good, sir.

Thanks for being here this evening.

Anyone else?

Matt, you have another one?

We do.

Mr.

Mayor, we have somebody whose name is iPhone 4, so I'm not 100% sure who it is, but we do have another hand raised.

iPhone 4.

If you have your hand raised, you can unmute yourself.

Yes, hi.

Um, can you hear me?

Yes, if you can identify yourself for the record, we'd appreciate it.

Sure.

It's Kathy Sigliano.

Sorry, my uh phone doesn't show my name on here, but um, Kathy, welcome.

Thank you.

Um I'm I'm just curious.

Um I know that there was some discussion about the decibel um amount, and I know that there was a council and coffee discussion.

Um, and I believe a few people, quite a few people actually suggested higher than the 80 decibels, and I'm curious why that hasn't been changed.

Um, what made you guys set on the 80 and not go up to 90?

I think 90 was suggested by quite a few people.

Um there was a gentleman, Alan Sheldon that actually had quite a bit of data and information regarding uh decibel, and um, so I'm just curious how that came about, like how how you made that decision.

And then another question would be has the curfew um been discussed at all?

I know that quite a few people had questions about possibly parting a curfew on the noise ordinance, you know, like 11 p.m.

or something.

I know that we have cruise nights that happen on Saturday nights.

Um the cowboys and cars meet, um, you have coffee and cars, that's another group that meet.

All of these groups, you know, aren't out there trying to make people mad or upset people or cause any kind of issues.

I know that there's a small group of people that are causing issues that are speeding and racing, and I completely understand wanting to nip that in the bud, but we're talking about a huge group of kids and young adults that are just having fun, car enthusiasts, showing off their cars, and it's not even just young kids.

I mean, we're talking there's there's people that are 40, 50, 60 year old, you know, people that are out there showing off their cool muscle cars.

And I know that I've sent in several emails and I appreciate some of the responses that I've gotten back from some of the council members, but I really I'm praying that you all are sitting up there remembering when you were kids and remembering how much fun you had driving up and down Maine, showing off your cars.

I know Dr.

Aldridge talked about her experience when she was younger here in Cheyenne, and I'm just asking you to really think about what you're doing with our youth in this ordinance.

We we already have a issue here with our youth, not thinking that Cheyenne has a lot to offer them, that they don't have a lot to do, that they don't have fun things to do.

And this is something that is keeping young adults and kids from out there doing drugs and having you know issues with crime in our city.

They're just having fun.

So I I really really am praying that you all consider those as you discuss this and vote tonight.

Thank you, Kathy.

Thank you.

Anyone else, Matt?

Mr.

Mayor, we have Ryan Blue with his hand raised.

Ryan, you can go ahead.

Welcome, Mr.

Blue.

Hello, can you hear me?

Sure can.

Hey, I'm Ryan Blue.

I'm a resident of Cheyenne here.

And I just think that uh when we're talking about making these laws and ordinances too, we need to be aware and not ignorant that our city is rapidly growing.

And with that comes a lot more traffic.

And I just hear a lot of people say, well, we've been here years and years and years, and we've never heard this much.

But I mean, we've never had these this much growth either.

So there's that, and I just think we need to be fair to that, really.

And then like other people were saying, at a lot of these car meets, um, no not or the mass major or the map the vast majority of people don't even have their cars running.

It's the small few, if they're being obnoxious, they end up getting kicked out or checked to where they don't do it anymore.

And um there are the small groups that are a problem, but all these events are alcohol free, uh, no one's drinking or getting in wrecks or anything like that for the most part.

And I just think it's a big benefit to the community considering the only other events we have in the involved just going to a bar crawl or something.

Thanks, Mr.

Blue.

Appreciate your comments.

Yes.

Did you want to come forward, sir?

You don't have to wait and ask permission, guys.

Just come on up.

Push the button, bring that microphone right up to your face.

Hi, my name is Ethan Heinbuck.

Hi, I've been a lifelong residence of Cheyenne.

And my main concern with the new ordinance and the pre-existing ordinance is whether or not there's going to be standardized testing for the decibel reading, or if it's just going to be left to the officers' discretion at the time.

It's a good question.

Chief, you want to try to take a stab at it.

Well, we purchased uh decibel meters, so and the the ordinance I don't recall specifies a setting on those.

So beyond that, I I don't uh anticipate any other kind of testing.

I think I I think if I if I could say I think there's two things.

One is the noise, but the other one is also the behavior.

If you're sitting at a stoplight in a neighborhood and you're revving up your engine and making a lot of noise, um, you know, and we find it, we're gonna give you a ticket, whether we have a decibel meter or not.

That behavior is not appropriate at two o'clock in the morning on Tuesday.

And I think all the people from the car clubs would agree with that.

So, what this I think ordinance does is it takes our old ordinance, which has an 80 decibel limit, and also talks about behaviors.

If you're sitting and you're squealing your tires at at an intersection, you know, making noise, that's a behavior that would then give our officers the reason to be able to pull you over and have a good discussion about it.

So it's trying to give us uh more tools for the folks who misbehave, not the folks who I'm hearing you guys talk about who are going to these these um car club meets and having fun showing off your cars and uh and doing that kind of stuff, but the folks are out at two and three o'clock in the morning waking neighborhoods up, and that would give us that ability, even if we don't have a decimal meter right there at the time, if that helps you.

Understood.

Thank you, Mayor.

Appreciate you being here.

Would you turn that microphone off for me, please?

Thank you, sir.

Thanks for being here.

Matt.

Mr.

Mayor, we have uh Victor Munoz with his hand raised.

Mr.

Muniz, you can go ahead.

Welcome, Mr.

Munoz.

Thank you.

Good evening, Mr.

Mayor and Council.

My name is Victor Munoz with CEMA for the record.

Uh, just want to let the council, the rest of the council know that we submitted a letter of oppose unless amended uh to the sponsors of this ordinance.

Uh CEMA, and it's uh five members in Cheyenne.

We represent those five members and advocate for um the 95 decibel limit to be included in the ordinance that'd be the standard for um a lot of cities across the country and and a couple states as well.

And also show concerns in the letter for uh jail time for these offenses.

Um we uh appreciate the work done by the sponsors uh and appreciate being included in the conversation and we're so as this ordinance moves forward.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

You know, I learned that uh when it comes to the jail time, we have a state law that says we have to be consistent across the state with punishments.

We can't we can't change ours.

Um, and the state law says the misdemeanor is up to six months in jail, and so that's not something we can choose to take out um of the ordinance.

So it's it's a state law, and we have to be consistent with the state law.

So uh I appreciate your comments.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Matt.

No?

Okay.

Anybody else here in the room?

All right.

We'll close public comment and we'll go to Mr.

White for a motion.

Mr.

Mayor, the recommendation of the public services committee is to approve on second reading, and I so move.

Second.

Seconded by Mr.

Royble.

Comments from members of the governing body.

Yes, sir.

I do.

Dr.

Aldridge.

Uh Mayor Collins for you.

I first and foremost, thank you.

I want to thank everybody from uh the Cowboys and Cars group that has been really engaged in this conversation.

And um we've heard from a lot of the public um pros and cons and for and against.

Um I think that there's some confusion that there are actually this ordinance that we're talking about tonight, does not have a decibel reading in it.

That comes under the excessive noise ordinance, which is a different um piece of um city municipal code.

But um in talking with the individuals and um Sigliano mentioned this at Council and Coffee, um, Mr.

Shelton did present a proposed amendment.

However, in after meeting with um folks from the Cowboys and Cars Club at the public safety center, um really the um conversation that I heard was that um they weren't really as excited about having a decibel level in the actual ordinance because once their cars were tested and things they found out that um uh most of their cars were in compliance, um, and that unless it quite honestly they're trying to also monitor those that are um the bad actors, if you will, and the um and trying to police their own group, and we really appreciate that.

Um so I think that um this gives the officer quite a bit of um latitude as far as um taking the uh situation in context, which I think you know I it appreciate in retrospect that flexibility.

Um, you know, that if it is a a Saturday afternoon and um you're you know um in a area where it's not a you know around the hospital or in a residential neighborhood, and um that it's probably not going to be as um intolerable as it is at 2 a.m.

on a Tuesday morning, and so um I just I would hope that um one of the things we might think about is um that this actually will help I think some of the folks that are belong to car clubs that are trying to police their own to actually have some um something they can say to bad actors of you know look this is this is an ordinance and if this if you continue this behavior you're probably gonna end up with a ticket.

Um but it that's part of the reason why we have not had an amendment to add a decibel level to this particular ordinance.

Um we did also look at just for those of you that may not have may have missed it last Monday.

We looked at um a possible amendment to the cutouts and the mufflers and modify modification of the muffler and exhaust systems, and it was pointed out that in the current um proposed ordinance that it actually um already states that it's only if there's unreasonable noise um by that modification or that cutout that it would be um a problem.

So and so I think that the ordinance as it is presented tonight addresses that so just wanted to explain that that's why you're not seeing any amendment on that piece as well.

So you're gonna say thank you for the statutes of limitations.

Yeah, yes, and I thank you for the statute of limitations.

Mr.

Moody.

Um thank you, Ms.

Mayor.

I do move to make one amendment.

Okay, okay.

So um if you have this in front of you, uh everybody in the audience and also online, you go on page two under uh six, where it says high volume, take out the um semicolon and the um comma and do a period and then delete number seven and I move that amendment.

So I don't so page two, yes, sir.

Item number six.

I am number seven.

I delete that.

So you want to get rid of uh any other reasonable revent factor that or condition that would lead a reasonable person to conclude the noise is unreasonable as defined in this section.

You want to remove that?

Yes, sir.

Okay, is there a second?

This item dies for lack of a second.

Anyone else in the governing body?

Dr.

Emmons.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

I I wanted to also thank you all for being so involved in this.

It's easy to say there's a problem.

It's harder to say this is how we would like to work with you on solving it.

Excuse me.

So thank you all for doing that.

I think that that shows a lot about your character.

Um, and I also just want to make sure that people understand this isn't about punishing anybody.

It's not hard as it is to believe every one of us up here at one point were kids.

Um, so we get it.

Um, but we also have to try to figure out how to balance, you know, the the people who want quieter, and the people who want to be able to do um, you know, to have a car or a motorcycle that's allowed.

So it's trying to figure that balance, and it's super hard to get at that balance.

Um so hopefully this will do it.

Um, and I think especially if you all can help police that, because like you said, you know who's doing this.

And it's not you guys, because you wouldn't be here if it was.

So um I think the idea that this can help you help help us help the whole community to police that will be really helpful.

Um, and it is amazing how much we've already cut down some of the noise, just talking about it.

So that's good.

So anyway, I just want to thank you all for standing up and being part of the solution.

Anyone else in the governing body?

Mr.

Mayor.

Dr.

Ray.

Um, just in response to the comment that people would like to see us enforce the ordinance we have.

Um the reason we're bringing this up is that that ordinance is proved to be unenforceable and it's practically impossible when the ordinance says you have to measure it at 85 decibels at 25 feet.

It's impossible for a police officer to do that with a moving vehicle.

So I mean we can keep that ordinance in place, but it hasn't been enforced, it's not easily enforced or even possible to be enforced.

So if we're gonna try and address the noise.

And as we talked to everybody that I I was down at the public safety center with a couple of our three of my colleagues the other night, and in talking to people there, it they're not our problem.

It's again it's the noise.

It's mostly motorcycles in the middle of the night, which seem to be generating most of the complaints.

So we if we're gonna try and make a change, we need to do try something different and something that maybe works because our 30-some-year-old ordinance is not working well today.

Dr.

Alder, did you have another comment?

I did just have one more comment.

Mayor Collins.

I just wanted to remind everyone that this is only the second reading.

So there will be one more reading.

So if there are people that um feel strongly one way or the other, or if you have some ideas or some modifications that you think would strengthen this, please reach out to us um before we will meet again on this on Monday at public service committee, and would love to hear from you before that so that we can uh make this be the best possible ordinance uh to work for everybody.

Mr.

Escabel.

Yeah, Mr.

Mayor, three just to comment as uh someone that's rode motorcycles most of my life.

Uh I do remember a lot of my um fellow writers used to always say loud pipes save lives, but as the mayor said, it's uh the people that are doing it when that they shouldn't be, and that there's a time to make noise and there's a time not to.

Uh a lot of times when we feel like getting out there and making noise, uh, we'll head out on Happy Jack Road or something like that, or get on the highway and do it.

Uh so trying to keep respect for people in the neighborhoods is is the main reason we're looking looking at this type of ordinance.

And uh, you know, a lot of my Harley friends say my stereo is louder than my pipes.

It is.

You're louder than your pipes.

Any other comments?

Mr.

Moody.

Yep.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Three, thank you, everybody, for your public comment, do appreciate it.

I have the same sense as my colleagues.

We're not punishing you guys.

We're punishing the people that are a problem to our community.

Doing it at 2 a.m.

making loud noises.

I've had a lot of complaints from constituents off Lincoln Way, Del Range, Pershing, North College, and even on uh Yellowstone.

So something needs to be done, and that's why a lot of us do uh support this ordinance.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Thank you.

Ms.

Rebel, something Mr.

Mayor.

Just kind of an interesting phenomenon since we've started this uh the talking about this ordinance.

The I live over by Holiday Park, and it used to be a race ground at one in the morning coming up 20th and down 19th.

And I have seen a marked decrease in the amount of motorcycles, the amount of cars running up and down that route.

So I think that once it started getting out, I think you guys started self-policing.

And that, you know, we appreciate that, but hope it keeps that way.

You know what I mean?

Thank you.

All right.

We're on second reading, but before you vote, thank you guys for coming.

It's nice to have uh new faces in the crowd and uh appreciate your your comments and your suggestions.

Thank you very much.

All right, we're on second reading.

All those in favor, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

And those opposed.

The ordinance is unanimously approved on second reading.

Thank you again.

Number 11, ordinance first reading, annexing to the city of Cheyenne, Wyoming, various tracts of land completely surrounded by current city limits situated in eastern Cheyenne, generally located south of Del Range Boulevard, west of Dry Creek, east of North College Drive, and north of Cheyenne Street.

All right, we'll send this one to the public services committee.

Number 12 ordinance, first reading, amending the official zoning map of the city of Cheyenne, establishing the zoning classifications of AR Agricultural Residential, MR, medium density residential, M U R mixed use residential, and M U B mixed use business for land and next to the City of Cheyenne, generally located south of Del Range Boulevard, west of Dry Creek, east of North College Drive, and north of Cheyenne Street.

We'll send this in also to the public services committee.

Next item is 22A on page five.

All right.

This is the voucher report.

If there's anybody in the audience or on the governing body that would have a question about the vouchers.

Announcement of a public hearing to be held September 22nd, 2025 at 6 o'clock PM in City Council Chambers 2101, O'Neill Avenue, Cheyenne, Wyoming, and via electronic conference meeting for a transfer of ownership of retail liquor license application filed with the city clerk's office for Apple, Colorado, LLC, doing business as Applebee's neighborhood grill and bar, 1401 Del Range Boulevard, Cheyenne, Wyoming.

License currently held by AB Cheyenne, Wyoming, LLC doing business as Applebee's neighborhood grill and bar.

Announcement that a Calcutta benefiting the Wyoming Breast Cancer Initiative will be held on October 18th and October 19th, 2025 at Peppermill Bar, 1618 Stillwater Avenue, Cheyenne, Wyoming.

10% of proceeds go to the charity.

Other business?

All right.

At this time we'll go out to the audience first.

Is there anybody here that wants to speak to us under other business?

All right, how about from the governing body?

Mr.

Oscabel.

Yes, Mr.

Mayor, I wanted to give a shout out to my sister.

Last month she uh received the Lifetime Heritage Society War from LCC.

And uh couple of us on the council were there.

Uh Dr.

Edmonds, she serves on the Board of Trustees there and had a real good turnout.

Uh and uh she's gonna be turning 90 here in about six, seven weeks.

Well, she's proud of it.

And what's her name?

Anne Escabel Redman.

She's a beautiful lady.

Dr.

Aldrich.

America on through you.

I just wanted to remind everyone that we will have council and coffee on Saturday, September 20th from 9 to 11 at Dosbog on the east side, and we would love to have people come and visit about their concerns or their ideas for the community.

I also am uh wondering if we might um be able to find out if um the city of Cheyenne is going to become a party to the permit proceedings that we were all we all received notification about on the Chugwater Energy Project.

Um I believe the answer is yes.

Thank you.

Mr.

Moody.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Through uh just remember everybody that uh this Thursday 24th anniversary of September 11, 2001.

Uh please remember all the people I died in New York, uh, Wusham, DC, and in Pennsylvania that day, and God bless America.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Anybody else?

All right, I'm going to have asked the uh city council for an executive session uh for a potential land purchase the city might be making, and would ask Dr.

Renee for a motion.

Mr.

Mayor, pursuant to Wyoming statute section six-four-405A Romanette 7.

I move that the governing body meet an executive session to consider or receive any information classified as confidential by law.

Seconded by Mr.

Escobel.

All those in favor of going into executive session, please signify by saying aye.

Aye.

And those opposed?

All right.

We are going to go into executive session.

That means we're going to ask everybody to leave.

Uh, but I just wanted to let you know when the meeting when the executive session is over, we will immediately adjourn.

There'll be no other business of the governing body this evening.

And we thank you all for coming.

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