So I I looked at it like how many years I had already been for it.

And then I got to do that.

Yes.

Ready?

Yes, sir.

Yeah, we're not going to be able to do that.

Okay.

So nine.

Good morning, everyone.

Call this hearing to order.

The proposed is a variance, I believe, uh, by the city for kiosk out on the municipal pier.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Yes.

And uh so start with the um staff from the city uh presenting if you could start with that.

Uh anyone have a motion to approve minutes of the previous meeting.

Yeah, I wasn't here.

Yeah, you don't have to you don't have to have many or two to um to move or to approve those minutes.

Yeah, I approve we have a motion and a second motion and a second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed?

Seeing none, you can move on to your okay variants.

Thank you, sir.

So Kevin, you want to start your presentation?

Yeah, I don't really have a presentation.

This is part of the marina reconstruction.

If anybody's been down that way lately, you can see has been uh it's well underway.

And this is one of the components of that.

All of the um uh the boat operators down there have like little office kiosks that they sell tickets out of and manage their um their tours.

And it's below the base flood elevation.

So you all have been around here long enough to know that uh below base flood elevation is is prohibited.

And uh so they are asking they being the uh marina in the in the city engineer's office who is uh doing the project to um get a variance for that, and they have a proposal to remove these kiosks, and they have the means and the staff and the equipment to do that, and so um our office, me, I have no objection to it, and so I didn't prepare anything to show, but the city does, and they can show you what these look like and how they're gonna um take care of it when uh need be.

And uh when we look at the the um construction requirements in a flood zone, the whole intent is to minimize damage and minimize the insurance claims.

It's all part of the national flood insurance program.

And when you see that they are uh going to forklift these and truck them out of the way to a high ground, that intent is met.

It um it they're somewhat temporary, but they'll be there for the most part all the time.

They're um they're quick connect on electric and they're um connected with um fasteners that can be um undone.

And so when the storm event would occur in would come the forklifts, flatbed trucks, and they would haul them out of there.

So um we have no objection to it, and so I think uh we'll just go on and see their presentation and see and see what it's all about.

Okay, so if uh Tanner, you want to come up and introduce yourself and uh show your slides.

Good morning, council.

Um Tanner Hamzawi with the City of Clearwater at uh for the engineering department.

I just wanted to recap a little bit about what Kevin said uh with a brief slideshow here.

Um excuse me, what was your name again?

Tanner Hamzawe.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um so we're we're here to present on the uh City of Clearwater Marina rehab till rehabilitation of the temporary kiosk.

And uh just uh wanted to uh briefly describe um so this is a variance request uh on behalf of the City of Clearwater Marine and Aviation and the uh public works department uh to request the variance for the proposed new uh ticket sales kiosk.

Um this installation is for the variance of the below the design flood elevation, and the flood protection will be done uh by the removal under the city of Clearwater's emergency plan.

These uh temporary kiosks will be comparable size and scale to the existing, um, and no changes will be uh uh from the use of the existing to the proposed.

Um these kiosks will uh have improved resilience uh in the event of a storm, and uh it's ideal for tidal changes or extreme wind events uh as we experienced in the past.

Um this is a proposed uh uh site plan uh overview of where the placement of the kiosk will be.

Uh there will be 10 low or 12 locations, 10 on the uh west side, two on the east side.

Uh it is there is a typical uh floor plan of each kiosk, and then there's a typical elevation view of the kiosk uh presented.

This is just a uh enlarged site plan of the overview of the temporary kiosk.

Uh like I said, there was uh ten on the west end and two the remaining two on the east end over here.

This is the uh for the temporary kiosks is just shows that it's in accordance with the Florida building code uh that they withstand the uh wind speeds present in the you know from here I'm gonna leave it to Mike McDonald, director of marine and aviation to uh briefly describe the evacuation plan present.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Good morning, Chairman, members of the board, Mike McDonald, Marine and Aviation Director.

As part of the Clearwater Beach Marina Redevelopment, the city has adopted policy 2001 emergency kiosk removal removal, which ensures the safe removal and relocation of all ticket sales kiosks during storm hurricane or flood events.

This policy activates whenever the EOC declares a storm condition and when directed by the Marine and Aviation Director or Division Manager once triggered, staff and contractors follow a detailed pre-established process to disconnect power and communication lines, secure and document each kiosk for FEMA or insurance purposes, and relocate the kiosk to designated safe locations such as the future Beach Marina parking garage, the downtown parking garage, or the Clearwater Executive Airport.

After the all clear is issued by the EOC, kiosks are inspected, returned, and any damage is documented for FEMA reimbursement.

The strategic objectives are to protect city assets, maintain rapid operational recovery, and ensure compliance with FEMA and city emergency protocols.

From a floodplain standpoint, the kiosk removable, designed with quick disconnect power and anchoring systems and have no permanent attachments, making them compliant with the intent of Chapter 47 flood regulations.

The city's approach eliminates flood risk entirely since the kiosk will not be present during a flooding event.

In short, this policy provides both resiliency and operational continuity, ensuring uh charter businesses can operate safely year-round while aligning with FEMA, FBC, and city floodplain standards.

Thank you.

Anyone have that concludes our presentation?

Anyone questions?

I was just curious of the construction of those.

Are they pre-fab?

Yes.

The enlarged plane looked like it had like block concrete block.

I didn't know how that was.

Yeah, that was just siding.

Okay.

Yeah.

Got it.

Okay.

Uh yeah.

No, I think most of my questions have been answered.

That's my question too, looking at the your PowerPoint.

Go back to the slide that was proposed temporary kiosk.

Yeah, the plan shows some CMU block there to sure.

I understand the intent, I guess I'm just curious.

Yeah, I'm just that's my question.

I'm curious.

These aren't the actual No, these are not the actual kiosks.

Okay.

Okay.

Because this kiosk is 20 plus or minus 25 feet long.

My next question was how do you gonna get that on a fork lift and on a truck?

Uh there's actually if you can y'all see the slide?

No.

No, yeah.

Okay.

It's up there.

Up there.

There it goes.

There you go.

Okay.

So actually, each one of these squares, there's gonna be two kiosks.

So there's gonna be 24 total.

Okay, so the it it's not gonna match the picture that's on there.

Right.

Yeah, no, this this put this picture is wrong.

It's uh this is just uh an example of what the kiosk uh look like, the size-wise, but those aren't the exact kiosk that are manufacturers them.

I'm sorry, who manufactures manufactures them?

Uh what was do you remember the name colored?

Yeah, it's like Mars then manufacturing.

So it's like a manufactured phone type of thing.

It's um well they they they manufacture kiosk.

Well, that's my yeah, yeah.

It's let's go one more slide two more slides back forward towards the end of the document.

Uh so that says it's modern fabrications, is that what that is?

Marsden M A R D A N Mardan Fabrications, yeah.

The model number on here is this just an example for the might be an example because you know they get these uh they get these permitted by the state of Florida before they send them out.

So I don't know if this is an uh the exact permit for the kiosk that we chose, or if this is just an example.

Well, I was curious, and I was I asked the question because the model number doesn't appear on their website.

Okay, then it's probably an example, or it's an older kiosk that they no longer because most of the ones they had are on there like for parking kiosk correct ticket yep, um kiosk and they're aluminum manufactured.

Yep, correct.

It's and and uh and they're on a skid.

And and I I'll I'm pretty they're 10 by 9 is what they are, but I'll get the exact measurements and I I can get that back over to Kevin and Kevin can tell you.

Okay, because I like I said, I was just curious how you're gonna get a 25 foot long kiosk.

Yeah, no, it's they're not they're not 25 feet long.

Now this the space, you know, there's gonna be two kiosks per slab, one for each business.

So this is not this middle from the kiosk.

What's that thing?

That's what they submitted for uh kiosk.

Okay, so this is from their submittal.

Okay.

That they actually submitted for the former.

Yeah, their website has a big to-do about hurricane and uh it's designed to be in this type of environment and it's portable, but it was having trouble getting it up the pictures on the website to match up with the pictures here that matched up with the drawing.

Yeah, sometimes with the Florida building code approvals on their NOAs, uh they just have one model number there, but it encompasses other models as well.

So some when you have uh a stamp here might say one model or approval, but it also encompasses other models.

Okay, so just so the board's clear that these drawings are just examples, it's not the exact um, well, you said that they're 10 by 9.

You said each one is 10 by 9, but there's two attached to one another.

They're not they're not attached.

They're not attached to they're still in regards to what we're saying saying is that when they go to get on a flatbed and they're picked up, they're picking up a 10 by 9 and putting that on the city.

Yeah, it's they they're gonna look more like this, right?

Less the block.

Is that block gonna be on there?

No.

No.

Okay.

So it's gonna see it's skid down there.

Yeah, but what what your question was was this it's 10 by 9, but he said that they were two together.

So if there's two together, do they separate them when they haul them off?

I think you had on another slide that showed two of them side by side, right?

And then they're divided down the middle, I think.

Yeah, but do they separate them when they transport?

No, I think it's one building on the bottom left, the floor plan, and those are two.

Yeah, which that floor plan depicts is not concurrent with what the picture is exactly that it's but what we're saying is the one on the left does not fit on a flatbed.

They would have to be separated to do that.

Correct, but they were attached.

If they were attached, right.

But you said there were two together.

They're gonna be sitting next to each other.

Just sitting next to each other.

Okay.

So I think the design intent was to make them look more substantial so they don't look like a bunch of prep.

So you kind of butt them up against one another, but then you can separate them to lift them in an emergency.

If all goes well, what's your uh time frame?

Uh they start getting delivered uh beginning of January, end of December as this the delivery date.

Okay.

And is there any plumbing or just electrical?

Just electric, no water, and there'll be communication lines.

What happened last year during the storm to the kiosks?

We didn't have them.

The uh the individual tenants had their own kiosk on there.

Okay, some of them, I think a couple of them moved them out.

Uh some of them weren't affected, and others were total loss.

So the the previously they were private kiosk, and now these are gonna be city owned.

Correct.

Does the city get uh rent for the user?

Yes, they will.

Okay.

Correct.

Okay, more questions.

Yeah, uh, just a few basic questions, so no objections or concerns from the city's building official.

No, um the intent of the flood ordinances and the flood codes is to minimize the damage to um any kind of structure or property, and as these won't be there in any flood event, um that uh intent is met.

So there is no objection from um from the office uh building official.

I heard you mention earlier, but just to confirm no no objections or concern from the floodplain, city's floodplain manager as well.

Um yes, and he is here, and we can hear from him to uh reassure that.

And one last question no effects to the city CRS for this at all.

Sarah Squorn.

Um Jean can also talk about that.

Gene Henry is our flood plan administrator who is uh stepping to the podium right now.

Good morning.

Gene Henry, planning and development.

Uh Kevin.

Flood plan administrator.

So to answer uh I'll start with the CRS question first.

It's not going to affect the CRS um it's not gonna affect our CRS program.

Um, you know, the um the flood board has issued you know several variances, and each time there has not been a um a condition or precedent set.

With this particular situation, we did go to the state, we did ask for their information, and um and they obviously are not gonna send any approval and disapproval or anything of that sort.

They did send us information, they said you know you have an instrument.

The other good thing about it, and just as Kevin was identifying, these are not structures that are permanently there.

The connections are quick connects, and everything that goes into them is meeting the national flood insurance program, but more importantly, it's meeting our chapter 51 of the community development code, um, which is your floodplain management ordinance.

And um, so everything's being met as far as the electrical and all the connections.

The the structures themselves don't officially fit, you know, with the code.

That's one of the reasons why we're before you, and it's not asking for any special privileges, it's just asking for a variance against one section of um chapter 47, not 51.

And that allows us to you know have something below the base flood elevation, and again, it's not fixed, it's not permanent, and none of the codes actually fits, so this variance allows us to move these temporary structures into place and not have to move them out, for instance, every 180 days and those sorts of things.

We will report this to the state um and it'll go up just as we do with all the variance requests and approvals or denials which have been brought before you.

This will be the third one the last you know last year.

So hopefully I answered questions.

So it's not affecting because we aren't setting a precedent as we um as we understand, and again, the state would let us know.

We do go through an audit.

Um, your CRS coordinator, Sarah Kessler, she'll be um coming up with a cycle visit within the next year to 18 months.

Before that, more than likely the state will come in and review all our files, but again, this will be in their hands for review, and we've already discussed it with them.

year so uh hopefully answered questions so it's not affecting because we aren't setting a precedent as we um as we understand and again the state would let us know we do go through an audit um your CRS coordinator Sarah Kessler she'll be um coming up with a cycle visit within the next year to 18 months before that more than likely the state will come in and review all our files but again this will be in their hands for review and we've already discussed it with them if there is something um we will be given if there was something that popped up we would be given the opportunity to mitigate or come up with a resolution to meet their requirements and and we could move we would obviously do that um of course and again by having the variance it's not providing something that someone else can't do um it's gonna go into the emergency plan within the city it is a function of the city now you know it won't if you approve this ordinance um so is there any other questions that I can put so um some thing happens where you say these are quick connect and all of that kind of stuff but some kind of event happens like the no name storm that we had back in the 90s and we can't you you can't judge in time to get these out of the way what kind of wind force do they withstand or are those quick connects strong enough yeah from the design handle something like that.

So yeah good question um from the design yes from what I understand and if you remember the original ones that were brought in here were going to be um hard fixed buildings right into the you know the the seawall there and such and um and then the state was you know their comments back to us is to dry flood proof those but you are within the windborne debris area so everything that goes in there is going to meet ASE E7 uh which is your wind and and it's also if it had to the one percent probability um letdy then is so it's gonna meet um as I understand the design professional is designing those not only meet the wind because that is part of it but also uh nuisance flooding and such as well so uh that does and I do remember the no name storms yeah there is no kind of plan for that whatsoever I remember folks in the bay saying they just saw white stuff coming across and all of a sudden they realized it was the the bay coming into their home yeah so um yeah so it does it's gonna meet those standards the only standard it's not going to meet and it's and it's not it's not because um and it's not a fixed structure so it's it's not really it's one of those areas that falls between that's why I've read before you but it it's the only standard it's not going to meet is being at the design flood elevation to these require tie downs while they're in place yeah as I understand yes I mean as I understand the design is going to be completely I mean they're tight they're down they're fixed they're gonna withstand the wind because that is a windborne debris area that's it too and that would be the only way we could approve it and when it comes through for a permit that it meets all the wind loading and the tie downs and it's a question for public works and and it was briefly touched on but just and we don't know where where public works staff wise will be next hurricane season but as of now public works feels comfortable staff wise that they have the staff to to to remove these that wouldn't interfere with more important tasks like generators to lift stations or anything else during that time that'll be on our department marine and aviation and yeah we have the staff that will be able to relocate this okay and we're also looking at going out and getting a contract to have somebody on standby we have the ability to do that in-house but it would be easier if we had a contractor that's dedicated it would just be a lot smoother and quicker process by doing that.

So you do think about using a contractor possibly yes in the future absolutely somebody with a low boy you can put multiples in the just keep in mind a lot of those mercy contractors when the time does come that they go where the most money is as well right so if there's a city paying them more they usually put you on the back burner so they're just absolutely that's why you do that up front so you get all those contracts in place before before the a storm event correct and I believe the county has an interloco right now they're working on related to the and from a public works standpoint we could easily go grab them also so what I just want to make sure it doesn't have really generators lift stations more vital things and what's the life's life expectancy of these structures 20 years right off the top of my head I think it was 20 years but I can always get information according to limbs like they're all built with aluminum and last question it'll be beyond the scope of what we're here to approve today but it was as a city uh determined a break even point for the cost of them versus what the rent would be from the tenants yeah we've been we've been working on that number and we're gonna we have a couple different situations we'll get uh the uh city management approval uh we've been working through that with our controller through our department but there is a right even point that we will meet absolutely thank you any other questions I think I had one just to clarify I guess uh the location of where they're gonna be relocated to so there are a couple that were mentioned in in the documents um and I guess just understanding the selection and how they'd be secured there maybe you just elaborate on that a little bit sure absolutely so you know we have the the the downtown parking garage in the future we're looking at building a a a beach marina parking garage those are perfect locations to store that they're out of the wind they're out of the rain they're out of the flood uh and there's also the uh the the uh clear water executive

So there are a couple that were mentioned in in the documents.

Um I guess just understanding the selection and how they'd be secured there.

Uh maybe you just elaborate on that a little bit.

Sure, absolutely.

So, you know, we have the the the downtown parking garage.

Um in the future, we're looking at building a beach marina parking garage.

Those are perfect locations to store that.

They're out of the wind, they're out of the rain, they're out of the flood.

Uh, and there's also the uh the uh clearwater executive airport that will take these two.

A lot of the tenants take their plans.

Uh we store a lot of our equipment during storms and those hangars.

Got it.

So uh those tenants they leave with their plans.

We'll we'll we'll put those kiosks in those in those empty hangers.

So is your break-even point projection before the 20 years?

Yes.

Okay, yes, yeah, and we have to replace them.

Yeah, uh uh I I don't have that information in front of me, but I want to say it's 120 months is is one of the things that we'll have proposed.

Who's required to maintain them?

Uh they will maintain them be like a triple net.

So any other questions?

Okay.

Yeah.

My apologies.

Um this is the minimum um request for variants for the for the flood damage control, you know, either chapter 47 or 51.

So I just want to reiterate it is the minimum, and um and thank you.

Thank you.

Do anyone from the public have a comment?

Seeing none, move on.

Any other discussion?

Someone want to make a motion.

Let me suggest to that y'all use the motion for variances from standard technical codes that you'll find in your packet as opposed to the uh other motions.

This is a deviation from a standard technical code, so I think it's in section two of the proposed motion to channel from you.

And the case is number BAA 2025 0904.

Right here.

I think this is a section two variants for standard technical code.

Yeah, first page and file.

First phase five.

Okay.

Someone want to make the motion.

Sure.

With regard to the request for a variance from the standard technical codes in case number BAA 2025-0904.

Uh granted as granted as requested.

I move to find action on the request to be within the board's authority to find the criteria set forth and code ordinance section 47.0352 are met and to grant the request based on the evidence.

The testimony presented in the application, the staff report, and today's hearing.

Thank you.

Second.

Yep.

Speak right up in the microphone.

Yeah, I second it.

All right.

Um take a vote, please.

All those in favor?

Say aye.

Aye.

Any opposed?

Any opposed.

None.

All right.

Unanimously passes.

Sorry, unanimously passes.

It is approved.

You can move on.

I think you typically take director's items if there are any.

I don't know.

Thank you.

No, that there are any today.

Any other business?

I would like to introduce your new contact person.

We have you've been all coordinating with uh Vicky, and Vicky is moving to a different um position.

And so she is being or replaced by Alba.

So if you can uh welcome all of them, and we thank Vicky for her years of help and coordination here.

Welcome.

Yeah, welcome.

Nice to meet you.

Also like to welcome our two new board members.

Thank you all for your service, and um look forward to seeing you at uh other meetings.

We don't meet that often, so it shouldn't be a big big chore to you.

Thank you.

Yeah, this is two this year.

Three, three, three, three.

This is a record.

And a full board.

That's right, yeah.

Any other business?

Motion to adjourn.

Second.

Have a motion and a second.

So the meeting is adjourned.

Sure.