It is anything.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I'm skipping four one and jumping uh probably right to you.

Not yet.

I have eight o'clock.

Oh, we're good.

I would like to call the June 10th, 2026 Clearwater Marine Advisory Board to order.

We'll turn off our phones and thanks for the reminder.

Yes.

Oh dear.

Everybody had a chance to look over the meetings from uh last uh March.

Yes.

Yes.

And we have a motion to accept.

So moved.

I'll say that.

And a second.

All in favor?

I the minutes from March 4 18th are approved.

Are there any citizens to be heard today on things that are not on the agenda?

No?

Okay.

As apparently everybody heard, we're gonna skip over 4.1 because our speaker is a little detained.

Uh we'll go to 4.2, which is the Beach Marina Reconstruction Project Udate, which we're all totally excited to hear about.

Good morning, members of the board.

Um, my name is Kelly Petrich.

I'm the engineering division manager in public works for the uh city of Clearwater.

Um I'm happy to say that we are now 82% billed for the entire project, so we're finally coming to the end here.

Um some of the activities currently going on.

We have the um all the upland utility construction is progressing pretty well.

We have the water and fire and stormwater work is all complete.

Uh the electrical is actually 50% complete um with the in-ground with underground rough ends.

Um and then the sidewalk paving and the shade structure foundations.

Uh that will start within two weeks.

Um actually both the A and B docks are actually the install is actually well underway.

Um we're we're very happy we've been getting uh all of our manufacturers have been doing a great job.

Um golden docks have supplied most of um the aluminum docks, and then we have Bellingham has supplying actually the precast docks, and they've been doing a great job getting getting everything on site, and um and O'Rion's doing a good job of uh placing them on the uh on site.

Um right now the the B dock main section and the support pilings are complete.

Um Ryan's actually installing the mooring piles um where they will wait for the last few sections of the aluminum uh finger sections actually to be produced.

Um they will actually complete B dock installation the uh the last week in June.

So as you see, we're we're progressing uh really well on everything.

Um 250 uh degrees of the dock.

Main sections are actually installed.

Um and completion of the dock except um itself is actually expected to see mid-July.

So you're actually going to see a lot of a lot of things happening in the next uh the next month here.

Um the water and electrical rough ins on the boardwalk are almost complete.

Uh those trades will actually be starting work on the B docs this week, and the B dock utilities are expected to take uh one to two weeks.

And then focus will shift again to the A dock.

One of the one of the neat parts of this project, I I know you guys already know is the actual fuel building.

This was actually the floating fuel building, which will actually rise up to 17 feet above the BFE during a storm.

So it's very resilient structure that we're putting in compared to the fixed dock that we have that we had before we demoed it, of course, but the existing one.

And that uh the fuel building construction, the systems on ADOC will actually begin the week of uh July 6th.

Um so yeah, so we have a lot of good things uh going on, and uh we're actually looking for the substantial completion for the project to be expected in August.

So fingers crossed, we will stay on track, and and we're hoping to um get everything done there in um probably middle of August.

So uh any questions?

Is that when you would anticipate the fuel dock being open as well?

Uh yeah, yeah.

I think that'll be one of the last activities on there.

You're still pumping fuel over the wall or for now?

No.

Oh so we uh you know, we tried to get the temporary fuel going after the hurricanes knocked off our our our fuel uh and we could just never something always came up.

We ran into something.

Now we're you know, four months out from opening, and we're like stop.

So uh that's what we're at.

Uh tenants are still you know able to call in.

You know, we have three vendors that are uh that the city can utilize for fuel.

So they're calling them in, they're taking fuel uh over the seawall uh off their trucks, and you know, we have uh a slip for them to utilize to do that.

So we're we're just almost staying out of it and letting them with their own vendors.

Yeah.

Okay.

Did you have a piece of a floating dock get loose a few days ago?

I'm gonna stop turning this off.

Yeah, uh it was it was a new one that they had brought in that they were trying to get a set uh on on phase two side, and it just came loose, I guess, off of the uh porch that was out there and floated out.

So it was slightly slightly uh what east of Brightwater, a couple jet skis came out and snagged it.

Yep.

Yeah, so salvage work.

If it came a little closer to my house, I might have claimed it.

Those are really sturdy by the way I don't know if you guys I heard that a couple times.

I'd bet.

Yeah, it's amazing how sturdy those docks actually are for being aluminum and be able to float.

I mean, you walk right on them, you wouldn't even realize that they're you know the materials.

Uh I don't have any more any more questions.

Okay.

For Kelly.

I think that's it.

We're excited.

We're uh look forward to seeing a date.

Sure, let's be talking to Mr.

McDonald that that as I brought up that we're we're invited to see the grand opening.

Uh so thank you.

Yep.

Very attractive so far.

Really looks nice.

Yeah, I was down there just a couple weeks ago.

The old habit of walking the docks as we used to call it.

You walk the docks.

Um anything else on that item.

Kelly, anything else to read?

Uh no, nothing else on uh Beach Marina.

Okay.

You're staying because you're gonna talk about seminal.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

We'll move on.

Go.

Uh we'll move we'll move on to 4.3.

Um, the update on the seminal boat ramp update.

Uh, yeah, so as you know, phase one is complete.

So that that's the upland portion.

Um I'm sure a lot of you have seen that uh you know the great job they did on fixing the uh the concrete portion that of the deck.

Um so now for phase two, we're gonna go to the the water side portion.

Um so here we're gonna we're gonna fill in what we what there's actually a void out there, so we're actually gonna fill that in with either it's gonna be a cast in place or a uh pre-cast um slab portion.

Um and so right now we're actually done with all of our plans.

So we're actually gonna have um our EOR is actually first line coastal, and they're gonna put together all the products for us as far as the specifications, uh the whole bid package, the bid items, and the plan set uh to go out to bid.

So we're looking to actually get that uh hopefully by the end of this week.

Um, and then the staff will interly review all that, and um usually that's about uh so then we'll hand that off to procurement, and that process is about 90 days.

Um, and then we'll select the contractor.

But um what we're looking at this time is a construction window, and we feel like this is the best time to actually do the project, um, which would be in the January-February uh time frame to actually do the construction of this.

Uh we're looking at a couple of different options, but it'll probably be we we want to remain one in the ramp before closure, yeah.

Okay, well, we're hoping to keep half half open.

Okay, we're we're looking at the costs.

So if this was to take place in January to see, you know, if if we did this in one mobilization, uh how long would the ramp speed down and then you know, look at the cost of that compared to doing the two mobilizations to keep the ramp open.

Okay, so but this is like a January where the ramps not conducive to connectivity.

Correct.

Okay, so will that will that that'll be in the general conditions of when you put that out to bed, right?

How that's gonna be built.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, we're acquiring 45 days, and we're open to you know having the phasing plan and also to do it all at once and get the difference in the cost.

Because as Mike said, it will be also quicker if you can just have the whole thing closed, and then you have one trade on there that does all the rebar instead of having them come back and forth.

So it would it'll be quicker process if we have it, but we're gonna look at different options.

Um we feel like it'll definitely save the city money though if we can just do one mobilization, yeah.

Close it all.

Do they coffer dam that off and dry it out?

Uh yeah, there'll be a coffer dam there.

Okay.

Any other questions on that?

Excited to see that fixed.

It's been are they gonna uh put the uh the barrier like originally the plan was gosh, probably eight or ten years.

I don't know how long ago it was now.

There was gonna be a barrier on the south side of the parking lot, kind of the wave attenuation, and also a day dock and staging area.

It was originally on the plan that was on the sign, it was at the top of the hill.

Correct.

So this project, the seminal project had three phases.

They had the parking lot, and then they had the restrooms, and then they had new facilities.

We opted to not do the new facilities because we have to uh reinvest in our current facilities, which is the boat ramps.

So we use that money instead of putting in the new uh the the new floating docks and and use that money for to replace the boat ramps.

Okay, so we want to give up being a harbor marina.

I don't think we have that in the agenda.

No, I had that in my director's report, but yeah, if you want to go ahead and give an update on that.

Okay.

Um any more questions on the seminal boat ramp.

We've got a couple things, not on the ramp itself, they won't pertain to you.

This is more to do with some some information that Jeff's gathered, and we can save that for later if you want, Mike.

It has nothing to do with construction of the ramp.

Okay.

Yeah, uh, I don't uh the agenda you could look at you know, new business items, and then you can start your own discussion, and we can we can look uh okay.

So here's the games.

This is the south side, and this is the one that we've got the covered contract.

Yeah, that's the more side that we're 100% resigned.

I'll uh subfloor that we'll show that okay.

So this one.

Do you want to add my notes?

Kelly, what's that?

Do you want any of my notes?

Oh, I have the notes here.

Okay.

Um this uh so this diagram here is the the south end of the work we're gonna be doing to fix the uh wave attenuators that were damaged from this um an earlier storm.

Um so this is uh right now we currently have we officially have Kelly Brothers who'll be our contractor, they're under contract right now.

Um we're actually working through the pre-construction submittal process.

The longest time is gonna be actually um going through the submittal process and constructing the actual pre-cast wave attenuators.

So that process will take uh quite a long time for the precaps to put all that together.

Um so we're probably looking at uh the construction to start actually the spring of 2007.

Um once that is, and it'll be a pretty actually quick process once they're out there once we actually get the wave attenuators on board.

Um probably less than a month, I imagine, to actually do the actual the actual uh work.

Um questions on the south side work.

I'm just I'm just looking to to can you point right where they're the actual attenuators are gonna be hanging.

Yeah, this corner right here.

It's actually gonna match the same design as what we have was fixed on the uh south corner.

Yeah, I just I think I had my north and my south mixed up.

Yeah, it's actually the same design.

So what you'll see when product will be the similar where you'll have the the same type of uh wave attenuator and and the um the pier in the middle.

So this was Hurricane Ian damage, and so also with hurricane uh damage on the far south side of that.

We lost those transition plates.

We had one of the edge HDP uh sleeves slide down one of our new steel pilings, and then we're missing some caps, and so that's gonna be a part of that work too.

Okay, yes, this will be our new improved, uh more resilient design.

Um so this will definitely be able to withstand future storms.

Um, and as Mike said, this is a FEMA funded project as well.

We could go over the north side then.

Um this um this actually occurred uh during Hurricane Helene and Milton.

Um I'll show you the area here.

Uh it's right in this area here.

We're looking about five uh five wave attenuators that were actually damaged that are going to be replaced.

Um as well, it's it's a similar scope um to the south side.

Um and the status of that right now, we're getting the FDEP permit is being submitted.

The building permit is being submitted.

Um and we're we're right now compiling again the final drawings and bid package um from our ER, which is Moffett Nichols.

That's the same engineer that actually is doing the beach marina.

Um so uh a good firm uh we're working with here.

Um and again, it's uh that'll be a 90-day bid process, and uh um yeah, it really depends on you know the construction when we get the contractor on board on what their schedule will be.

I don't have any time frame at this time, but again, it'll be very very similar in that once we get all the wave attenuators um actually produced from the pre-cast facility, it'll be a very quick actual downtime construction process.

We're looking at less than a month, two to four weeks probably to actually have to do the construction work uh just similar to the south end.

And this is also a like I said, a FEMA funded project from uh Hurricane Helene.

And with this project, we're also replacing the gangway that collapsed uh during Hurricane Helene uh on that far north side.

Yeah, and then we're replacing all the the uh tension cables.

Uh you know, each one of those wave attenuators are held together by touching cables, uh and they've all failed uh throughout that dock and part of the south side, and then some uh new electric cords will be ran.

And the new cables are actually gonna be stainless steel material, so you're looking at a lot less corrosive and and more resilient product as well.

And that's that's kind of been our whole focus on on these marinas is making a more resilient uh product for the communities to uh basically take the future storms.

Um is that section there still closed?

Just where the gangway is collapsed on that far north side.

It's in the water, it's needs to be designed and and rebuilt.

No, so he's dragging it out.

Okay.

All right, any more questions?

Anything else?

Thank you.

All right, well, thank you everyone.

Thank you.

Good.

Thank you, Kelly.

Um you're gonna talk about the kayaks.

Yeah, we'll go ahead and skip back the number.

We'll skip back to number one.

We were which we were happy to do.

I'm so sorry.

Oh no, that's fine because we're I think we all know how busy Trish is.

So and and we all want to know how things are going down there.

It's going great, and I'm really happy and excited to be here to update you.

Please don't take my delay as a lack of wanting to be here.

Okay.

So we have really really exciting things.

Um, so everybody is getting together.

Our group is becoming more solidified and more reliant on each other.

All the camaraderie is happening the way that we had hoped uh within the marina and all the tenants.

Uh we're they're talking to each other, they're looking to each other, everything is happening the way that we had hoped, which we're very happy about.

Yes, we're really excited about that.

Um, our tenants is growing.

Our email, for example, in the beginning when we send emails, uh, we would get about 202% reading on of our emails because we do keep track of that.

I put it through a program so I can see how many people are reading it.

And um our last email went out with 67% to give you an idea of the attention that they're paying attention to what we're sending to them.

We've also included your parking um uh team, uh Michael Sheel and his team.

Um he's giving me several emails to be in contact, um, and they were on our last meeting, so to give you the um difference in what our communication was with the city and working with all of the elements of what the marina has to deal with.

We're working with all those elements quite well too.

So um just a brief update on kind of the highlight of the things that we talk about right now on our agenda.

Um, is that we're ordering dock boxes soon.

Uh we did um apply for um a um um uh signage department.

We have a ask of the city that they give us a definition of what the signage is going to look on our kiosks.

Have of course to be in line with all the signed code that it exists, but we have an element that we've never had before, which is white blank kiosks that we need design on.

We need it to look like a marina.

So that is being worked through right now.

Derek on our team is the one sort of leading that charge.

We don't have definition.

We will soon have it, I'm told in the next few weeks.

If, for example, some of the signage we wanted to know where the signage would be on our kiosks in order to know where we're going to put dock boxes.

So but we think we're at the point now where that is possible.

So this week, an email is going to go out to all the tenants.

So that order will be placed through our association, and then we'll jointly pay for it to get the discounted price.

So it's offering about 20% discount on all the displac boxes, which is good for them.

So that order will be placed soon.

I don't have any idea what that order is, but next time around, I'm sure I'll tell you how many of those dock boxes were ordered.

And there's four different sizes that the city approved that they can do.

So it'll be in line with that.

We know that what the city is doing for their celebrations, their big giant 250 year celebration.

So they've asked the tenants to maybe coordinate and do something in light of that event that those events that are going on.

We did consult with many of the marina, and we don't have the budget to say everybody is now still down.

What we hoped everybody knows the business is down on the beach.

Um and so what we had hoped to be the change and turn on the lights and everybody be busy as we were in 20, you know, and before the construction started, that didn't happen.

Um so everybody's still pretty down in terms of numbers.

They don't really have a budget per se to put a couple thousand dollars in their businesses to light them up and do, for example, a lighted parade or something like that involved in involving Fourth of July.

So instead, what we decided is that we would present um some of us in the marina already do sightseeing with the boat parade.

We already go out with a group to watch the parade and and do little things to watch, I'm sorry, to watch the um fireworks.

So we're getting those people together to say maybe we need to have a little have a little coordinated effort to the businesses that already do something for the 4th of July and the 3rd of July and coordinate a little showcase.

So communicate with Michael and his team to say during the fireworks celebration that the marina tenants are going to showcase at whatever time period we're gonna do it and have a little lineup mini parade-ish to just be a part of the celebration.

So that's what they agreed to do there.

Um, and then that's pretty much it.

Um I don't want to tell you too much, but other than it's just to tell you there's also a holiday and lights campaign going on for the Christmas holiday.

You'll hear more about it to come, but it is event that is gonna involve um probably an event at the marina, which I'll have updates on that probably for the next meeting.

But it involves um for the holiday season.

We're already working on the holidays.

Excellent.

Right.

Does anybody have any questions?

Sounds like you've like unionized.

Yeah, and it's great to hear how well you're working together and and I gave Mike Gruff when we showed up at one meeting, and you had been formed, and it was news to us, and but I I immediately took that back because it's been the best thing that could have happened to you guys down there is to have a coordinated effort to get over this to get through this.

Yeah, um anyone have any questions for him?

Explained everything.

Thanks, Chris.

Thank you, Kurt.

Thank you.

I'm always here if you have any questions in the meantime, too.

Carp, thank you.

Thank you.

Thanks for rushing in.

I believe Mike's gonna tell us about the kayak launch sites.

Yeah.

Good morning, board.

Mike McDonnell, Marine and Aviation Director.

Uh so I spoke with Matt Anderson over Parson Wreck, and they're the ones that are doing the kayak launches uh through Parson Wreck.

And he has a couple of them that he's doing.

The first one's gonna be the one at Cooper's Bayou, which is at this park right here.

And that's gonna be there's my house.

And that's gonna be on the uh the base side.

So they were looking for at getting some grant funding.

I don't they were looking at getting some grant funding.

Uh I'm not for sure that that's gonna pan out, but that's gonna be the first place that they uh do a kayak launch.

Uh the second place that they are doing it is gonna be at the uh at the old uh shuffle boat uh shuffle board club, and that's gonna be right there on Stevenson's Creek.

And there's already an informal launch there, there's a parking lot there, and you can go out right into the creek and you can stay on the creek, or you can go under the bridge and you can go out to the intercoastals.

Uh and that's the second one that they're doing, and like I said, they're still looking at grant funding for that.

And those are the only two launch sites that they have.

We looked at doing the one at Seminole Boat Ramp, and it's it's kind of an informal one because there is a spot here that we removed a bunch of stuff, but it's not marked.

And the reason why it's not marked is it's not safe.

Uh you have the the boats launching here and coming out right here to the channel that's right here, and then you're gonna try to launch kayaks there, and it's just not safe.

It's it's nothing that you know I could get behind and say, hey, let's do a launch site here, but you know, you not preventing people from parking there and then launching their their their paddle boards from there.

So yeah, it's it's it's especially weekends, may have with the end of it's just not safe.

Um I originally well for a while I had my boat right there in the Clearwater Harbor Marina, but the um uh originally on uh out of Pirate's Cove, and to get out there, you have to run past the kayak and parasail renting, and that channel is somewhat odd, and that you have to stick way to the right, sharp left.

Um so you have to run right along the beach, and they get out there, and you can't you have to shut down, you can't vary, and this is kind of the same thing, though.

Though I believe the north of there in the picture, you're off the screen a little bit.

Um there you go.

Yeah, I I think right at the bottom of the picture would be where the no-wake zone sets in.

So boats shouldn't be or minimum wake anyway, shouldn't be shouldn't be running full speed as they are out in Dunedin.

Uh and and but they do they they trail out two or three in a row, oh you know, in a line and and can stretch right across the channel, and this is another spot there's not a lot of variance of where you can wander off out of the channel to avoid them.

Yep.

So I understand that.

That's when we when we talked about it, it was the Stevenson Creek one is great.

Even the Stevenson Creek people are all for it.

They're one of the people that were pushing for it, the advisory group there.

Um I know the one by my house.

I walked that park multiple times a week, and um it's just a little bit of concrete and then mud, and you have to wade through the mud and uh to get your kayak launch.

But dozens and dozens of people every weekend or every day even go out of there.

Um, so to have a formal safe one would be great for them.

Absolutely.

Any questions?

That's that's great.

That's one of the first things that we were talking about.

I think that'll help take some of the pressure off some of the other locations too.

Yeah, it's uh I had heard somewhere in some city meeting that the shelf report court and log bowling was to go away, and it was gonna do something, and I know that has no bearing on us.

Yeah, I I want to say that the shuffle board club is closed down, but the lawn bowling's still active in there.

And I might be wrong, and if Matt Anderson's watching it, it doesn't matter if I protect the kayak launch because that's to the east of it.

So yeah.

Great, thank you.

Yep.

So a director's report, Mr.

Director.

Yep.

So we've gone over Seminole and we've gone over Harbor Marina.

That was in my director's report.

So Stevenson's Creek.

I uh submitted the draft application as well as the draft ordinance and all documented data to the uh Florida Wildlife Commission.

FWC.

FWC responded and is in favor of making the creek a manatee zone from Edgewater to Fairmont and overbook over Brook bridges.

From Fairmont to Betty Lane will remain just the slow speed minimum weight.

FWC wanted advice why they wanted some uh they advised that they wanted some language change in the draft ordinance, which we're working on, and wanted to update the map to show the language from the ordinance.

So the map that I submitted with the draft, they wanted the map updated, uh, which we're working on too.

And then uh they wanted pictures of why we stopped at the Overbrook Bridge.

So we went down and took pictures of you know, people can't access that uh through that bridge, that's why it ends there.

And then they wanted some pictures of the the shore erosion uh from Fairmont to Betty Lane, so we took some pictures of that.

We'll submit that with the application.

Uh the next step will be to complete the requested language changes and the updated information, and we'll send them a new draft, and then they'll go over it and advise if they want any more changes if it's satisfactory to them.

Uh if it's satisfactory to them, then we'll go ahead and do the ordinance uh change through city council.

Uh and then uh after that, uh after that ordinance approved, then we'll uh apply for the permit for the manatee zone with the FWC, and then their board has to recommend it.

Do you do you think that could happen this year?

I'm gonna try.

I mean, uh I know it's been a long process just to get to this point, but uh a lot of the stuff that when it's in our hands, we take care of it fairly quickly and get it back to them.

So and I don't know how regularly they meet to you know to to vote on these to let this come through.

Uh the Stevenson Creek group?

You well, FWC group.

Oh, FWC group, okay.

At least we're moving in the right direction.

Yeah, and the I just want to say that all the data that the Stevenson's uh Creek Aboskey group put together was satisfactory.

That they're not requested any more data or anything like that.

So that's good, yeah.

The the Stevenson Creek groups to be commended, they they are a diligent bunch to Mike's to Mike's credit that uh sure they stay in crutch.

Sherry's been great to work with, Mike Foley's been great to work with, and you know, they're passionate about the manatees and and and and and their their last meeting that I attended was uh on Sherry's back porch with a wide backyard with Stevenson Creek spread out there, and you you realize what motivates them, how beautiful the spots are there.

If you just look at it from an overview map, it's just a body of water.

But um, when you're down there and on queue amenity was out there on queue, a fisherman running at the proper speed.

Yeah, um, came through and it was you know, probably I'm guessing snook or something in the in the back corners.

Um it just gave it made it all clearer why they're so passionate about it.

And it's standing on the trail with you and uh Jeff.

I mean, just if you saw our interview on Big News Nine, yeah, yes, that's just look up the Stevenson Creek.

Yeah, uh we both had 20 minutes of good things to say, and we both got about 40 seconds on the air.

So we're we're learning how TV works for Mike National already knew.

I think that was my first interview.

Um but it but it's been great to work with them, and and uh I know they just um uh gave out a grant themselves, and I wish I had the gentleman's name here.

There's a retired gentleman who's back up north now.

Um, but every winter he spends wading that creek and cleaning up the garbage, and and they gave him a stipend uh to make his life uh I don't know if he has a difficult life, but to make his life a little better um and show their appreciation because um any waters in Florida are dangerous to go waiting around in, so um really a commendable group.

Absolutely fingers are crossed for that project.

Anyone have open any questions on that?

Mike is FWC the only approval authority.

Are there any others that you have to get in the mix?

Uh no.

The FWC gave uh counties and and and cities the ability to create their own manatee zones.

The mandate zones that we have in Clearwater is from the FWC.

They do the studies and then they place zones appropriately.

And at the last time that they did their study and came through Clearwater, Stevenson's Creek didn't have enough data.

Uh but with the data that we've that Stevenson's Creek put together and the data that that was shown, they're in you know they they support it, and they they come right out and said that you know we support this.

So that's great.

Now we hope the potential move of the sewage to the northeast plant, the expansion of the northeast plant, which is a much safer plant, and alleviating the east one by my house, and the one on Stevenson Creek would be Lincoln and my uh yeah, I'm not for sure.

The Lincoln plant.

Um that had a big spill during the the hurricanes.

Uh and um they have uh that's uh I think a big step for really restoring that creek is is that whoever thought to put to put it uh there in a floodplain.

Uh they criticize in if you read the city information on it, they criticize themselves for saying what were we thinking basically for putting this so close to a body of water like this.

So that would really I think help bring the seagrass back and the redfish and the crabs and the and turn it back into probably how it was 50 or 60 years ago.

It's been a long track, and I don't know if you know that they've spent um if not tens, maybe uh a hundred million dollars since I've moved here on different things to mitigate um the whole floodplain from from taking out the golf course on Gulf the Bay Um and uh all the way down.

So high hopes.

Yeah, agreed.

Uh any other questions on that?

I'll move along.

Thank you.

Uh council approved the second phase of the rate increase for the recreational tenants at the beach, harbor, and island estates marinas.

This will bring the recreational rates in line with the market rate provided by the Walter Duke rate study.

The beach and harbor marina will be $23 for residents and 2530 for non-residents.

Uh island estates will be $20 for residents and $22 for non-residents of Clearwater.

Uh the recreational tenants will not be uh I'm sorry.

Uh the commercial tenants will not be uh increased in phase two, but after substantial completion of the beach marina project, the department will conduct another rate study and advise you and city leadership of that study.

Uh the new rates will go into effect for the recreational uh tenants on October 1st.

Uh as you guys recall, we came in and we talked about the rate study and how low the rates were.

Uh you guys advised us to do it in two phases, so that's how I approached council.

Uh uh council wanted this phased out longer than what we gave them at at the time, and to come back with a performer, which I did uh June 4th, and uh so they they've agreed uh that you know the market rate that it's is what is where they should be.

Uh you guys can read that yeah, that's kind of where everybody's at and what they're going to, and then you can see the commercial uh tenants in the middle.

And really the the commercial tenants are at 2365 a foot right now, which is in more than they were uh before before.

If you remember, we had a passenger count and then we've gone to a per foot count.

There you go.

Can we can we have copies of that?

Yeah, or slowly.

Put it in the minutes or something.

Yeah, if if not, I can just email it to you guys.

Either way, thank you.

Yeah, yeah, email it.

Yeah, we take the email them.

Thank you.

And then uh we also got the kiosk rate in there.

So what that's gonna be is it's gonna be $350 a month for the first eight years, and then after that it's just gonna be a land fee, and we'll evaluate that because at the end of that eight years, the kiosk will be paid off what we paid for.

Okay.

Then we'll technically we still own them though, or the actual tenants will own them.

Correct, we'll we'll still own them.

Okay.

Yep.

With the city owning them, I'm assuming the city will maintain them.

Yeah, we'll make we'll maintain them, we'll do the maintenance on them.

We'll replace them.

Okay.

And then uh the transient dockage did not change.

That went to full rate uh at the at our first meeting.

We didn't phase that in.

Can you point that out?

Is it on here at the bottom?

So we have per foot per day per week, uh, and then uh per month, and then if you know the if you come and you stay a month, you know, you get a little bit of a discount, and so that's what that just shows you at the bottom.

So daily equivalent weekly rates two dollars and fifty cents, and the monthly rates a dollar seventy-eight per foot per month or per day.

Does that make sense to you guys?

Yes, yeah.

Daily rate is how much per foot?

Uh it's 350 if you're just coming to stay the day, but if you do a weekly rate, you're you're you're basically paying 250 a day.

If you come and stay a month, you're basically doing a dollar seventy.

What if you're spending the night?

I mean, it's a transit.

That's just a one just for one night.

Yeah, it's the 350.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

So 30 foot boat about a hundred bucks.

Yeah, I'm gonna take a lot cheaper in the hotel room.

Yeah, yeah, long boat key six dollars and fifty cents a foot.

Is it well?

Yes, long boat, yeah.

A lot of people in this city want to be Sarasota.

You know, it's a totally different environment.

Yeah, is there any questions on this?

Great.

Get us a copy.

Yeah, yeah.

Great, thanks.

And then the last thing, uh so the police department and the fire department dock.

Uh it was damaged during Hurricane Helene.

Uh kind of taking that over.

Uh Kelly and I uh have taken that over to get that fixed.

So we received the damage assessment, the conceptual design, and the engineer's cost estimate for the reconstruction of that dock.

Uh the cost is estimated to be 431,000 to replace the dock, 485,000 to fix the dock.

So of course we're gonna go with the replacement.

Uh so the next step in the process to is to continue to work with FEMA on the actual cost and get approval.

When FEMA came in, they estimated the dock at $70,000.

So we're working with them to get that number changed.

Or have them do it for 70.

I'm sorry.

You'll have them do it for 70.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Uh so our next, you know, our next stuff besides working with FEMA is we got to get a supplemental work order from the engineer of record, and they're gonna do the final design, they'll do the bid packaging, and then they'll do the construction services throughout the uh uh the rebuild.

Uh so I don't know if you guys remember what the police stock looked used to look like.

So on this east side, the police stock was here, and they had uh hydraulic uh what would you call that bill?

Just a flat bottom uh lift, yeah.

Yeah, it was just the entire dock.

Yeah, the total dock lift.

Oh, so the platform itself, yeah.

This is a platform, but you know, the hydraulics, it was it was hard to keep up with and everything.

So we're looking at just going with three regular aluminum lifts, and then uh two piers.

Uh so the dock to meet code, those piers have to be wider.

And so really the only change to this dock is uh widening the piers.

It's gonna be very similar, but there's mitigation involved with this that's gonna help with the FEMA funding.

And you know, one of those things is we're gonna install float-through decking.

Uh we're gonna install removable electrical pedestals, kind of like we've done at the beach marina, as we had Eaton come in and not really design, but design a breakaway pedestal for us.

So when a storm comes in on these fixed docks and where the kiosks are, it's four bolts that you take off.

You can pick the pedal still up, and there's a quick connect underneath, and then you take the pedestals with you.

Nice.

So uh, you know, those pedestals four thousand dollars a piece, and when you have that many of them, so we're gonna do that for the uh PD dock too.

Uh we're gonna replace the older generation piles.

Uh we're gonna raise the deck level uh a couple feet, and then we're gonna install some cross bracing, and then on the uh the lift itself, there's gonna be a uh a storm restraint system on it.

So uh that'll help with securing more FEMA funding for those projects.

Well, the seawall have to be raised.

So when they go to replace it, it it it will need to be up to code, right?

Uh but there was no damage to the seawall.

Right, but I mean if you're doing that, is it gonna be a requirement?

No, no, okay.

No, there won't be a requirement until we go to replace that seawall to replace seal.

Okay, yeah.

And that is all I have for you, gentlemen.

Do you have any questions on the PD dock or anything?

No.

Except maybe this was theirs, and and you've taken over responsibility for it.

Well, it's uh I help since I do a lot of this work anyways, and you have cops and firefighters who need to be cops and firefighters, not engineers and project managers.

So uh, you know, Eric Gandhi, I I asked him, is like, hey, do you want me to to jump in and help help your guys do this?

And like absolutely, I'm still working with you know, Major Burnside, Lieutenant Dean with the PD, and you know, they're giving me direction and everything, but they have a whole monster of their own to handle so just one.

I'll also as a footnote to the gentleman who was in here a few months ago that said the the docks and all through there were running out the manatees.

I saw three and that marina last night at uh Clearwater Yacht Club.

Oh, really?

Because it's not permitted.

Is it because it's not permitted that area?

No, remember the guy who came and was against docks, and he said we put in new docks that we'd run out that we ran off all the managers because you don't touch it.

Yeah, no, I I think the manatees like the dogs, they like the fresh water that comes off the docks too.

That gives them some protection.

Was so can we get a manatee zone now out there in front to slow down?

You know I'm headed with that, right?

Yeah, get the take pictures, take pictures, get it get us the data.

All right, I I think that if there's anywhere we would put a new wake zone, it would be there by the yacht club.

I think um we told the Stevenson Creek people even that like they're we'd love to just give them out no wake zones.

Well, they have a sewage pump out now, or we do this.

So which is uh uh even a better reason to put it forward.

Right.

Is it something we should talk about in the future?

At what point can we or should we, or is it acceptable?

Will they give us any more?

I I mean we would just have to like I said, we'd have to show the data.

So uh for that area you wanted to do a manatee zone or uh slow speed zone, yeah.

Maybe you gotta you know meet that criteria.

So people ski back in there and not only run full speed, but just run full speed.

Yeah, that's the only finger in clear water that you can do that in.

Yeah, yeah.

The mandalay channel there and uh have you you seem to hint that you resolved the problem with the weight borders back in there?

Yeah, so when we went out and we started doing the permits at Seminole Boat Ramp for commercial operators because a lot of those people uh a lot of the the uh the vendors were picking up at a seminal, and uh one of them in particular, we had ended up having a great relationship with, and yeah, they and in that permit it says you can't wake board or ski in that zone.

You need to find someplace else, and that's in our documented permit.

So uh they're not allowed to do that, but you know, if you have the one-off of people coming in and doing that.

I mean, that's that's the I I thought they were back.

There was someone who spent the day last week in there.

He knocked off a guy doing some work on my boat.

He knocked off a what?

It was the guy waxing my boat on the float, and they the wave was so bad he put him in water.

No, yeah, but it was it was not a commercial guy, it was just something we had about five people in this boat.

Yeah, yeah.

But the commercial or not, that's yeah, the commercial people shouldn't be in there at all.

No commercial people, yeah.

All right.

Any other questions for me?

Thanks, Mike.

I don't know.

It's okay for me to speak.

I don't know if I should have this work.

On these on these subjects?

Yeah, I just have some questions on uh I don't know if that's okay.

Oh yes.

Yeah, okay.

Um my name is Marion Capusta.

Here sorry.

I uh please give us your name again.

My name is Maryam Capusta.

Okay.

I uh run and operate the uh Clearwater Basin Marina right uh across the uh parking lot from the seminal boat ramp.

I also live on Bayside Drive across the street from uh from the yacht club there.

Um so a lot of these things sort of relate.

Um and the questions I had uh there you go.

Yeah, so basically I am uh right here, have been here for since 2011 or something.

Um quite a while, so seeing all the things and changes.

But the question um, I guess was uh about the permits for the commercial guys.

Um I'm not sure that all of them have them.

Uh I'm not sure how they're being enforced and uh and all that.

Um so I guess that was the question, and was to point out that I think that well, although the system that was invented is great, I don't know that that there is enforcement on it and and you know what what this what the current situation there is.

Um it uh it really still doesn't seem totally under control by any means.

This is the guys that follow the rules and pay the permits do that, and the ones that don't just uh have a wild party over there, which doesn't seem it seems more unfair than it's been because some people really try, and then the others just continue to do to uh cause a problem and a mess.

Um so um yeah, just figure I'll point that out while uh while I'm sitting here, since I'm there every day and get to watch a lot of these things that maybe you guys don't get to see.

So you have these commercial boats running out of here that are no, I I don't so we have some um you know docks uh right here and um but of course having the bait shop here um and and our uh boat repair shop right here, we don't we we get to see a lot of what happens right there at the ram, you know, with the fighting and you know these people sitting here and taking up space and and and whatnot.

So it's it continues to be a problem.

I think a simple solution is a way to enforce these permits.

Uh but as far as I know, there is there is no way or nobody does this, or I don't know who's whose jurisdiction this is to enforce this.

Um, but I think uh the city should benefit from from uh from this and have it under control.

And I've actually been attempted to be sued a number of times from commercial guys, uh, you know, somebody getting hurt and contacting us because we're in a in a close vicinity saying, Oh, you know, one of your commercial boats, and we fell and I broke my leg.

I'm like, oh whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

It says this is definitely a mistake.

Um so it I I feel like if this was enforced and city actually had this under control, then we would at least know who's insured, who is not insured, and wouldn't put, for example, me at risk, which would be great.

There's a fair amount of shall we say questionable legal activity as far as if the charters or tours are licensed, if they have the pickup and operation permit, and of course, I know the Coast Guard was looking at a lot of unlicensed activity as well, but you've got jet ski rentals operating out of there.

Somebody will come down with a trailer with six jet skis on it and launch them for the for the renters.

Um you'll have marine contractors loading and unloading pilings and materials and boats so forth, and then of course tour boats and fishing charters that have they have have you know again, they just show up and they tell their customers meet me at and they get on the boat and they go.

Right, and I guess that's that's part of another problem is because this happens, these people are customers show up looking for the charter, and they come to my shop, which we don't run any charters, and you know, my guys are mechanics and they have they their information center.

How do you pay for parking?

Where's my charter and all this stuff, which you know, and we've been doing it for years, so it is what it is.

But um, but it is kind of obscene um as it is, and like I said, I think the permit idea is great because at least we get to collect these people's uh insurance and information.

That way I don't get sued and I don't go to prison.

I I prefer not to.

Um, but but it just doesn't get enforced, and I think it should.

Um I think that's that's do you still pump fuel there?

Yeah, you still do?

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah, we took that as a so we had tanks before that for our boats and and all that, and then during hurricane, uh, after the hurricane wiped out the city marina, uh, it was pointed out that we should probably attempt to retail cell fuel, which caused some issues for us because obviously our pumps previously were not retail pumps, um, like the weights and measures uh approved.

So we had to go through that process, but luckily we were able to get that done relatively quickly.

So that's what we've been doing, and it's been working out pretty good, I think, for everyone.

So works out for me, thank you.

It was a jet I'm good friends with uh people at JetHuel that are just down the street, and I say, and they say, Oh, you should do this because of this problem because for them they have uh fuel minimus, I don't know what is 100 or 150 gallons.

So, like anybody that needs any less than that, we can't even deliver to them because it's just not feasible for us.

So you should do this.

I'm like, yeah, but our tanks are so small because it's a for our use.

Oh, well, this we're so close, we'll deliver to you multiple times a day.

I'm like, okay, let's try it.

And that's how that that happened.

So that's been a it's I think it's been a good thing, especially at this project uh with the marina has taken so much longer than expected.

So I think it helps out the community, and I think it's good.

Stick your tanks.

Yeah, I ran a fuel dock in on that theory for many years.

And that was a thoughts that were brought up.

It's like, oh, we should put in-ground tanks and all that.

I'm like, no, we're not doing that.

I just I I am a low liability type of guy, and um, and yeah, so that works out for us, and um that's the reason I pointed this this situation.

Three thousand gallon gas and a two thousand diesel um in ground that I stuck every morning, every every evening, and the end of the dock where they were putting uh changing a marina into a restaurant, had to dispose of their 5,000 gallon tank that they had to take out of the ground, and they thought they could pump the water out and just then just pay to have the the old you know deteriorated fuel pumped out uh because it's really expensive per gallon to to pump out.

Oh, yeah.

Um, but they borrowed a pump from the city and which was like you know, hundreds of gallons of a minute.

Oh, yeah, and um and filled our bay with with gasoline, and it was a northeast wind, so it blew it into the corner in front of my fuel dock.

And when I got up in the morning, six o'clock in the morning and turned on the TV, and there's my boss being interviewed of what's going on, and I rushed down there and they had the data that I had just stuck them.

We restock them in front of the fire department, and they traced it back.

The guy actually went to jail.

He well, even to this day, he his family still owns the restaurant, liquor license, rum runners, right?

Uh, which is the eerie, they used to run the rum from Canada over to this point.

Um, that they he still can't be on it.

He like felony conviction for it.

The guy from the city that loaned the pump lost his job.

And we had a similar huge liability to have fuel blocks and and diesel uh that much more because I mean gas at least evaporates, so it's some in some time it's gonna be gone.

The diesel doesn't go in there.

We had a situation recent, semi-recent, a couple months ago.

A large boat across the across the marina from us had pumped a bunch of diesel overboard for some something failed, and uh, anyways, and uh coach rolled up to us and oh, what's all this diesel about?

Um what's your diesel spill containment?

I'm like, well, we don't sell diesel, so there is none.

So they stand there scratching their heads.

I'm like, Yeah, you need to go elsewhere.

So luckily I I felt good about that because uh because that could have that was a that was a little bit of a mess because that basin doesn't wash out too well because it doesn't really have an in and out.

So um so the diesel stuck there for a few days until they all they got all cleaned up, but you know, uh is what it is.

Um also um I think the we were talking about the no-wake zone there, it starts right at this side.

I don't know what how much of a job it is to move it a hundred feet just past our basin.

Um but if that's ever in question, that'd be great because it starts just uh or it's starts or stops um in a way that they stop right at that corner, yeah.

So we get all the ways right into the marina, which is I mean it is what it is, but if it if it ever gets moved, it'd be great to move it a hundred feet.

And we also have manatees, by the way.

Across the marina from you.

So I think the manatee zone does, and then like uh no, I don't know how that works, but I think the no-weight zone sign is uh right about the end of the screen, probably straight across.

Yeah, I think it is that's my job.

And then everything is the of the federal channel is all managed.

Right.

People probably don't follow it, but it goes back to enforcement, I guess.

All right, well, anyways, nice to meet you.

Hey, I appreciate it.

Thank you.

That's the end of the director's report.

Yeah, do you uh we have a response if you want for the enforcement seminal?

Yeah.

Oh, yes, yeah.

Oh, you just need to when we initiated this commercial use permit program, we did have a permanent part-time employee security.

He just his he didn't have enforcement powers that that's just with the police department, they're a marine unit, so we're kind of beholden to them when they're available to do enforcement.

They're a marine unit, so we're kind of beholden to them when they're available to do enforcement.

They were just out there a month ago, uh, wrote several tickets.

I know that because we started getting phone calls, and we got a few more commercial use permit applications after the tickets were written.

But uh, after the storms, we lost that permanent part-time employee.

We do intend on hiring one back, but we have all that written up right now.

We just need approval to submit that and hire, but again, he's not enforcement, or that person would just be really educational.

And their presence really does knock it down the the violators, some of the violations.

We do actively uh pursue if we get a uh complaint that someone is operating out of there without a permit.

I'll research the internet, I'll try to find their booking sites, I'll call them and let them know there's a commercial use permit.

I'll call the PD, let the Marine Unit know I have a good working relationship with them.

Um and we have cameras out there.

If I can see the logo on the side of the boat, I'll call that company and remind them of the commercial use permit and let them know that they have been reported to the police.

So we are as active as we can be on addressing these issues, but I I do know it it is a it is a problem.

People are gonna be people.

We try.

Yes, good.

And there has been, you know, what what Marion's saying, we've heard the same thing.

So there has been the spring season, an uptick and the activity that he's talking about, and PD's aware of it.

Like Bill said, they were out there last month, and they wrote several citations.

So uh what we are aware of it and and we're looking at uh trying to squell that back down.

Any other questions on that?

Um I I have uh one or two questions.

One was I I meant to bring up when we were talking about the beach marina, um, that I saw a line item up here, um, though it's on hold um through the parking department of 39 million dollars for a garage out there in the parking, and I know that's not it's where we have to let go.

We can't have any influence on the parking, but is that gonna be a real thing?

Yeah, yes.

It it it it will be a real thing.

Uh they're doing the the the parking study now.

Uh and you know, the next thing that'll come out will be an RFQ for a designer for it.

Uh that's gonna be a public works project, uh and and you know, parkings within public works, so uh it it's needed badly and has been for quite some time, but uh I think we will eventually get there for sure.

Is there still storage incorporated for the tenants of the marina in incorporating the first floor plan?

When the design comes out, yeah.

Uh we'll we'll definitely be asking for that.

Um you know, the first floor can't be anything but storage anyways.

Uh FEMA rolls, of course.

Yes.

Plus, you know, we have our underground storage tanks there, and uh the transport truck will have to get in there to drop fuel.

So uh there'll have to be some design elements built into that regardless.

Is it is it thought to be on the east end like it was some time ago, or is it bigger than that?

Uh the last I heard, yes.

Uh but uh hopefully when those meetings start when they when they start the uh the RFQ to send out for design.

Uh I'll I should be involved in that and I'll have more information at that time.

We'll have to start going to the parking meetings, I guess.

Well, that'll be that'll be good.

It'd be a little more hardship going on for the tenants, but in the long run.

Um that the the big thing of the parking at the beach is they always want to see how it's gonna pay for itself and peak times it pays for itself, but off season that they don't always, and I think this would be one that would year-round would pay for itself.

Absolutely.

The other question I had.

Um we've spoken a few times about uh the boards of Clearwater.

We used to have an annual gathering.

Yes.

We would all get together and you would meet people from other boards um and the environmental board and once a year, board ceremony.

Um I was gonna say parks and rec, but I'm not even sure that's a board anymore.

That's been kind of they've combined it.

Yeah.

Um, but you knew you got a chance to meet them and know who they were, and counsel and the mayor would attend and pictures taken, and uh Mike and I are waiting for our eight-year plaques and we give out uh if you serve serve your two if you serve two terms, you got a plaque.

And then writing that you did two terms of service.

Of course, you know, we didn't want to quit until the meets marina was done, so we're still here.

But um, but I just thought that was a great thing, and I don't think it was a huge cost of a thing uh to to buy us dinner.

Uh and you got dinner and one drink coupon.

So I'm on for the drink.

Yes, you're close enough to take an Uber.

Um yeah, we had it at the Sheridan, Sankey.

Yeah, and Sinkey, and uh I know you talked to some of the powers that be and they just haven't responded.

Uh I I don't know where they stand on that.

So uh that would be a conversation that I'd have with my boss, and um died cost cost and COVID.

Yes, that would be 2020 was a was that yeah, the first year we didn't have it.

Yeah, um anything else?

I'm good.

And of the director's report, um board members to be heard.

I've got something I'd like to mention whenever it's my turn.

It's your turn.

Have you go first?

Well, back to the some of the situations at Seminole Street.

Um, I just discovered this week that the city of Dunedin is in the process of drafting legislation, they've got their bases covered.

There will never be jet skis or any motorized watercraft launched from the Dunedin causeway again ever.

From the beach, from the causeway on the beach, anywhere on the causeway, paddle craft, sail craft, nothing motorized.

And they have, I mean, every I is dotted and T is crossed.

They've got DEP, they've got law enforcement, they get fire safety involved.

Everybody parks and wreck, so there's there's there's no pushback.

So when the waters when the uh jet ski groups come in and say, Oh, but but but but what's that got to do with us?

We're not done eating.

No, but the the trickle-down effect, and as I'm sure Marion can vouch for the change in the usership, is that a word of the seminole ramp has changed significantly in the last couple of years and especially in the last year.

Um lot of personal watercraft.

Overflow parking doesn't exist legally.

I don't know who owns the property around there.

That's up to them if they want to charge, if they want to let them go, if they want to tow, whatever.

We're not in that business, unless the city were to potentially contact one of those owners and say, can we lease this or set it up for pay?

Whatever.

Um I was proposing the parking spaces on the north side facing the playhouse on the top of the hill.

They're all straight in spaces.

If those were angled, made a little longer, and have a maximum length, you could have that entire stretch for short trailers, jet ski trailers.

Um because right now, what happens you go down there at any point in time, uh especially on the weekends.

Um Marion, what would you say?

40-50 percent are short jet ski trailers, probably.

So the guy with a triple axle with a 36-footer that wants to go offshore and catch his two red snapper, he's got no place to park.

Um they don't need the long parking places.

Now, okay, how do you get them to park there?

Uh again, with some education and some signage.

But additionally, now this is the other thing that that where Dunedin can potentially throw more business our way.

When they do open the ramp at the marina, that will be for resident use only.

Okay, if they allow non-resident, it is going to be at a significantly higher ramp fee, really done as a hopefully to dissuade use by non-city residents.

Can we investigate a citizen versus non-citizen parking struck fee structure?

The only the only issue is you know that seminal boat ramp was built with grant funding, right?

So you wouldn't be allowed to discriminate like that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Even outside, I mean, if anything outside out of state, out of out of county, anything.

Yep, yep.

Okay.

It's open to the public.

Okay.

With federal money.

Okay.

We couldn't limit the use, you know, what vessels they bring in.

Okay.

Couldn't limit where they're from.

First come, first serve.

Okay.

But it really wouldn't, other than restrict that lot.

And and and likewise, many of those spaces, they look like they're 12 foot wide spaces.

They're pretty big.

Even when you've got a big uh dually truck in there with a triple-axle trailer, there's still plenty of room on both sides.

Makes you wonder, could that lot be restriped and get another 20 or 30 spaces throughout the entire area?

Plus, if you were to change the uh bank the straight parking to angle parking for short trailers, just it might help alleviate it.

I'll pass this along to Porkin.

Okay.

It has become quite a what you know.

Yeah.

And the playhouse does utilize a lot of that upper parking.

Yeah, but they've got their own parking.

And you know, and I don't know what the deal is with the garden club.

Yeah, but that's the you know, parking, especially for boat ramps.

There's oh yeah, Dunedin, and then there's Clearwater and Belair.

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, you got it way down to Park Boulevard, way up towards uh Tarpon.

You've got the one there to uh we've got that little ramp and yeah, the little ramp there in Ozona.

Yeah, that's a little one hole.

No, no water to speak of there.

You gotta have a pretty skinny boat to do that.

But those those kinds of things, it's not a lot of money, and again, talking about parking, they want parking to be self-supporting.

Well, if you had more spaces, there's more revenue, um potential for more tickets with people doing stupid.

So anyway, that's all.

Thank you.

And anything else from anyone here?

I I have one thing to say.

Um, only um that uh we'll be actually looking for for advice.

Um some of you may know um I'm a candidate for city council, and um I I want to still chair the September meeting.

Um by then the maybe the election would be over, maybe not.

Um, but um am I gonna be permitted to stay on this board as long as I am not officially uh council member if you're not a council member, then yes.

Um if you don't if I win in August, but I'm not sworn in till November.

I can't answer to that.

Okay.

Um I'll definitely ask Rose and Nicole and we'll get back to you.

Okay, let everyone know because they I think need to be prepared to take over.

Um if they say you won in October or you won in August, you can't you don't take uh office till November, but you still have to step down that you guys may have to take over for me.

Absolutely good question now.

Okay.

I believe we have one open chair, one vacancy, right?

Yes, okay.

One vacancy.

So if you if you go to city council, you've got to bring somebody in to sit your seat.

Oh, I'm I've got to recruit the person.

I see we can find somebody.

I I've I've had a few people that I've bugged for years.

One guy's a boating family here, up and down.

Actually, when I'm giving it away, I think his brother owns the the fish market and restaurant at Dunedin Pier.

Walt.

Um they've literally generational people.

I talked to Walt too.

And yeah, and he's not interested, and neither is his brother Eric.

Eric Eric was uh a real estate person for me, so there we have revealed his name.

Um really good sharp guy, knows the waters, um, and uh and some people just um don't see the value of it.

I don't know that I saw the value of it until that I sat through my first meeting here and um wanted to get more involved.

So um if you have anybody in mind, we're always we'll be looking for one or two uh people.

Do we have anything else?

I think we uh have not set any records, but we have uh had a good meeting for only four items on the agenda.

Yeah, uh one hour and twelve minutes.

So um anyone move to adjourn?

I move adjourned and a second.

Second.

This meeting is adjourned.

Thank you.

Thank you, and good night.