0:10Good evening, everyone.
0:16Today is July 7th, 2026.
0:18I'm calling this North Greenwood Community Citizens Advisory Committee meeting to order.
0:26Please be sure to silence all your electronic devices.
0:29Agendas are available at the front.
0:32If you would like to speak for the citizens to be heard section, please be sure to fill out a comment card.
0:38If you have any sort of specific questions that you would like to have answered, as we may not be able to answer them within the form of this meeting, but please be sure to either write your question down or follow with city staff.
0:52At this time, I would like to uh have the committee introduce themselves starting at my far left.
0:58Hi, I'm Hannah Menard from Carewater Burring Company, Marilyn Terman with the Claywater Urban Leadership Coalition.
1:04My name is Kenard Robinson, and I am the committee chair.
1:08We are missing a couple of committee members at this point in time, but we do have a quorum, so we are able to proceed as planned.
1:18So moving to uh the first item on our agenda, the approval of our uh previous meeting minutes.
1:26Um is there any discussion?
1:29Do I can I have a motion to approve?
1:33Can I make a motion director?
1:37I could I'll second it.
1:39I I did have something, but I think I can get it resolved.
1:42Well, we we we can open up for discussion.
1:47Um there was just uh something that was omitted that I was just curious about, and that was um regarding the armory and the um the two million dollars that purchase price, and that if my question was if it exceeded or if it was if it came in less than the two million, where would that remaining go?
2:07Would it go into um the CRA or not?
2:11And so I think um we're just trying to get clarity on that.
2:14I just didn't see that in the minutes, so that was the only thing I saw that was a minute.
2:20Everyone, you're okay.
2:25It's fine, but we're gonna use it's there.
2:27Okay, all right, perfect.
2:32Um, so we have uh a motion and the motion's been seconded uh with a point of clarification in the the the meeting minutes around the question around the purchase price for the armory.
2:46Um is there any other discussion?
2:50So can we move forward with that?
2:53Noting the question from the meeting.
2:59So to approve the motion, uh can we have uh all those in favor?
3:08Say I said with said corrections with with said corrections, yes.
3:14Second any opposed none.
3:17Motion motion passes.
3:21So moving into item number three on our agenda.
3:23Citizens to be heard uh regarding items not on the agenda.
3:27Do we have any citizens?
3:34All right, seeing none, moving on to uh the next item of our agenda, new business.
3:40Uh so this is to provide a recommendation on the third quarter budget amendments to the fiscal year 2025-2026 for Greenwood Community Development Agency budget.
3:54I mean, I have a loud enough voice, but CRA assistant director.
4:04Uh the item that I have uh that I presenting for you first today is the third quarter budget amendments for the current fiscal year, which is 2526.
4:14This is for the North Greenway Community Redevelopment Agency budget.
4:19And I have brought up on the screen here to my left, um, the budget that is included in the agenda item.
4:33So I will start here with the revenues.
4:36So we have a decrease of 12,51 in revenue that was received from Ellis County increment, a decrease in 9,475 dollars that was received from the city increment revenue.
5:00So your revenues we've actually received an additional $9,000.
5:06And then in your operating, what we uh have done for operating is just to adjust to better reflect the anticipated expenditures through the rest of the year.
5:18What we've done is taken a reduction in professional services and shifted that around into the operating.
5:26Which you can see here.
5:28This is a reduction, and then it shifts around to adjust the operating budget.
5:35Are there any questions as of yet for the operating?
5:44Next we have the projects, and what we have done for the projects.
5:48Let me open that document.
6:04So we have uh transferred out 500,000 from public infrastructure to create a project specific for the container village.
6:17So we have uh reduced the public infrastructure project by 500,000 and created a new project for the container village.
6:26And then with the reduction of the increment that was received by the county, I reduced the county mobility project, and then just reallocated um any additional increment that revenues that we can receive.
6:46Unbelievable, I know.
6:53So I am looking for a recommendation of the board approving, yes.
7:00So can we have a motion to move forward?
7:05I make the motion that we approve the budget, um, the proposed as well as the third quarter budget, yes.
7:13Third quarter to be specific.
7:18It's been properly moved and seconded.
7:34So let's go back to open up for public comment.
7:38Is there is there any conversation or discussion that the public may have about the budget?
7:47Sir, um, did you fill out a comment cart?
7:50Uh I don't think I feel it out.
7:53I could write it down.
7:54If you could and then step up to the podium, please.
7:57I'm sure they could all maybe.
8:06And I'm I'm I'm just curious why would there be two separate budgets?
8:10One for the professional service and why why is that when we all have the same thing?
8:16I mean, it wouldn't I'm just curious about that.
8:27I'm just wondering why we do separate budgets of professional services and general services.
8:32I mean, why would they employ an answer?
8:41So professional services is specific to an appraisal that we may do on the property.
8:52Um what you see in there was probably um let me pull up there.
9:03Was it the general fund?
9:08That mine actually is not for general services, that is their uh their portion of a reimbursement to the city's general funds to cover salaries for the CNRA statute.
9:23My question would be uh the general fund the money comes out of the general fund one professional service of year.
9:32No, this area is different from the city of Clearwater.
9:35We actually receive money, we receive an increment from the taxes that are received by both the city and the county based on the state statute.
9:45So we are a city department, but we follow the different set of guidelines for the city budget.
10:00They come from increment funds received from Pinellas County and received from the city of Clearwater.
10:09I'd be more than happy to explain.
10:17Any other questions?
10:26Now you can review your budget.
10:29Can I have a motion to approve the third quarter budget amendment?
10:36I make a motion to approve the third quarter budget amendment.
10:45It's going to probably move the second.
10:52Any opposed motion carries.
10:59Ready for the next one?
11:00Ready for the next one.
11:02So this item that I have before you is to receive recommendation on a proposed fiscal year 26-27 budget.
11:11So this budget would be from October 1, 2026 through September 30th, 2027.
11:20The preliminary numbers that we've received from Pinellas County on increment totals between the city and the county about 1.2 million dollars.
11:44Interest earnings, we anticipate right now to be around 78,000.
11:48So the total revenue or transfers into the North Greenwood CRA would be 1,284,289.
12:00I've taken those funds and allocated them out through the operating budget.
12:05So this operating budget is what at this point I feel would be needed in order to maintain and operate a North Greenwood CRA.
12:15It covers professional services, um contracts that we may have.
12:20This may be where the question came from, where it states maintenance contracts.
12:24Those are contracts that have a monthly reoccurring.
12:27So they're not a one-and-done contract, it may be a we have a program called uh GIS, which allows us to check mapping.
12:39Um, so that has a monthly subscription fee.
12:47Then we also have our internal services, so that would be any postal services.
12:52So should the would be like to do a large mailing, that would come out of there.
13:00And then we have our inner fund, which is general administration.
13:04This amount is for any administration and administrative overhead that exceeds the CRA department.
13:12So this would be our human resources department, city clerk's office, finance, any of those departments that provide us resources and services.
13:22Any questions on the operating budget as proposed for 26-27?
13:31You really can't see it, it's a huge glare on it.
13:40Can it can the TV be pivoted?
13:43You're the only laptop, are you going to be okay?
13:47It is not posted on the city's website, but it is on the North Greenwood website under this meeting agenda.
13:53So this is not posted on the city's website.
13:55It will, but if you were to look at this agenda, you'll find this document.
14:01Why do you know if everyone just played that?
14:43So this document here that's also attached to this agenda item is a six-year projection.
14:48So this is just an estimate of what we anticipate to receive over the next six years, and then how it falls into the North Greenwood budget.
14:57So at the top, you would see your revenues.
15:02But then further down towards the bottom, you'll see your projects, and then we're right now staff is anticipating allocating funding, which would be housing, mobility, and economic development based off of the North Greenwood community area redevelopment plan.
15:20Those are the three areas that are highlighted in the county.
15:24I'm sorry, in the CRA plan.
15:30The funding that's received from Finales County with your increment is very restrictive on what you can and cannot spend your funding for.
15:38So that's either for housing mobility or economic development.
15:42Those funds are not used for your operating budget, nor are they used for staff salaries.
15:48So with the anticipated 530,000, I split that up between housing and economic development, and then with the remaining city increment, I added that to economic development.
16:02So they're split up between city increment and county increment.
16:07I'd be happy to answer any questions.
16:09I feel like my voice gets going in and out with that thing.
16:13I do have a question.
16:15Um do we I know uh Marilyn had brought up how would if the property tax bill is passed in November?
16:22How will that affect the tip?
16:24Do we have like an estimated idea if it is passed?
16:27How will that affect these numbers?
16:31It will the do you have an answer to that?
16:34I spoke with our budget director.
16:38Um, and I know that she and I specifically would like to talk to the county to see how that will affect North Greenwood specifically, but I don't have any other information.
16:52I don't have too much information either besides that we're communicating with our finance department and budgeting team to see how it's going to be affected.
17:00Um, other than that, we can bring some information back and make sure they vote in which we can get back.
17:07But we are communicating as far as that because this is a lot of residential properties that are homesteaded within the North Greenwood area, so it's gonna be different compared to the downtown area.
17:26Can you elaborate on that?
17:28What you just said, just for understanding because a lot of people don't quite understand.
17:32Well, let me just say I know that some people who have mentioned they didn't understand that so as far as the homestead properties and how it doesn't impact it.
17:43So because North Greenwood does have a lot of homestead properties here.
17:48This is this CRA or COM area will be affected more than the downtown area, which has a lot of commercial properties.
17:54Where over there the incident won't be as bad.
17:57We might even grow our increment over there because of a lot of the new developments that are starting in the tax rows in the upcoming years, whereas over here is predominantly residential.
18:06Uh as far as that I don't have too much point.
18:14Any other questions?
18:19Um so are there any questions or comments from the community on the budget for our next fiscal year?
18:32Seeing none, um, can I have a motion to approve the 2026-2027 budget?
18:43Do you have a second?
18:48Is there any discussion?
19:00So moving into old business chairs.
19:06We are going to uh have a series of community meetings related to property taxes in the referendum.
19:14So since you are, but not specifically related to the CRA.
19:18So I'm bringing it up in this form so everyone can know that the city will have general meeting about it, but it won't be specific to the CRA, so you can say soup mentioned.
19:30We are asking questions and trying to get more information to anticipate questions that we know you have because yes, what we have to do.
19:37Um, and try to be better as we go forward because we're all trying to figure out how this is gonna help arm or what we should adjust for going forward.
19:46So I just wanted to put that out there.
19:48Madam Manager, do we have a date?
19:49Yeah, so we have a tentative date, um, but it is tenanted and is subject to change.
19:55So August 1st is a tentative date.
20:00Um, but you know, we will advertise that significantly as soon as we have it finalized.
20:05I don't have a location yet.
20:06I apologize for having my back to you all.
20:09Um, I don't have a location yet.
20:11We're still working on those details, um, but that's the tentative date right now.
20:15And our goal would be to have, like ACN Battle said a lot of those answers available to where it no, it's not going to be specific to any one area, but we want to be able to answer questions that the public as a whole is going to have as it relates to that.
20:26That's the whole purpose of the community engagement meeting is to be able to answer questions as well as get feedback.
20:33Um, we want to know what the community wants us to do in response should um the referendum pass.
20:39So that's the that's the goal of it.
20:41We will make sure we communicate that with you all so that we have help in getting the information out.
20:45We want a lot of public engagement on that.
20:48Will there be more than one session of meetings, or will it just be one meeting?
20:53Yeah, so right now we have one meeting that we're planning on because the council is going to hear we have a special budget work session, um, which we do every year.
21:04It's a normal part of our budget process that is scheduled for the first meeting in August.
21:08And so we want to have information to be able to report at that special budget meeting to council.
21:14Um, so that's why we're trying to do one before that.
21:17We don't have a whole lot of time to get in multiple.
21:20However, um, I do believe as a result of that meeting, we will then have additional meetings in preparation of um the November vote.
21:33One before that special budget meeting.
21:35We want people at both.
21:37The special budget works option, people um, the public can't speak at that, but it's an educational informative opportunity.
21:44Um then, but the engagement one is all about the public.
21:47I mean, that's the whole purpose is to just be engaging with the public.
21:52Of course, thank you.
21:57As soon as we get the confirmation of that date, we'll make sure to share that information with the CAC so that way you can share out through your own channels.
22:06But as far as uh for North Greenwood, last meeting we shared with your communication strategy, so as we have that information, we'll work alongside with the city's public communications department to share that information based on that strategy.
22:19Thank you very much.
22:23Um, so moving on to old business item 5.1 updates on the North Greenwood land use and zoning project.
22:39My name is Marcy Stanmark.
22:41I'm a planning manager in the city's planning and development department.
22:44How thank you so much for giving me a few minutes to provide an update on the North Greenwood overlay this evening.
22:50Laura Naske, the director of our department has presented information to the CAC at the last three meetings, um, and we really appreciate thinking I can talk to you about ongoing land use steps in North Greenwood.
23:03Some of the information I might be providing tonight may be a little bit repetitive, but I wanted to make sure that if we had anyone in the room that may not have been in the prior meetings, that's the line.
23:15So please bear with me.
23:17We have a working on what we call the plan reinvelab district overlay for North Greenwood.
23:22And maybe people in the room may have received a notice that was mailed out for the board panels public hearing, which was originally scheduled for June the 8th.
23:31This meeting has been moved to July 8th, which is tomorrow at 1 p.m.
23:37And the reason these and asked to have it moved is that there was a decision that was signed by several community members expressing concern about the overlay.
23:47And we wanted to have a community meeting to talk on the overlay to provide information.
23:52And so we had that meeting last week.
23:57It was here in this room.
23:59And we have about 50 people, not including staff sign in for the meeting.
24:04We thought that was a pretty good attendance.
24:07Staff from the CRA, the economic development and the planning and development departments present information regarding the CRA plan adoption and the ongoing steps.
24:29Allowing for more housing options, such as duplexes, town homes, and small permanent buildings.
24:36The goal is to create more choices so that people can stay in the neighborhoods, including seniors, young ills, families, renters, and property owners.
24:47On the screen here is a map of the proposed overlay, which is about 75% of the CRA plan area.
25:00There are several areas that are not included, about 25% of the CRE boundary, which includes downtown, industrial limit areas, water, recreation, open space, preservation, and transportation utility areas.
25:11So the area in pink that you see on your screen is the area that is proposed for the overlay.
25:20The overlay is intended to implement the vision of the CREA plan as we had heard from the community at numerous community engagement meetings during the preparation of the plan.
25:31It is to expand housing choices and affordability opportunities and reliably north partners of changing your avenue as a multiple distorted main street.
25:40And also supports small business growth.
25:44What is not changing is that properties are not being rezoned.
25:47The overlay will be placed on top of the future land use and zoning.
25:52Existing homes and businesses can remain, and property owners are not required to use the overlay.
25:59And the overlay does not require a sample property.
26:02I wanted to go through with you the four different steps that are upcoming to adopt the overlay in case anyone would like to participate in the upcoming meetings.
26:12The first step is to do a comprehensive plan amendment to create the overlay.
26:19Action step two is the future land use map amendments to apply the overlay.
26:24Action step three is a zoning map amendment and put in the overlay, and then action step four are community development code amendments to prepare design standards.
26:39Upcoming steps include the forward panellist meeting tomorrow, July 8th, to amend the county wide plan for action steps one and two.
26:49Also, on August 11th, there will be a Pinellas County Board of County Commissioners hearing, and we'll be acting in the role as the county wide planning authority.
27:00Then on October the 1st, there will be a second reading before the city council.
27:04So we are going forward currently with action steps one and two.
27:14And that's to prepare our code amendment because any development that would like to see in the overlay will have to meet certain design standards.
27:24And we want to start having meetings with the community to talk about design standards.
27:28And one example may be say you have a vacant piece of property in North Greenwood and you want to develop a triplex, three attached units.
27:37One idea for a design standard for people who are using the bonus would be to require a front porch.
27:44Another idea would be to require parking on the side or the back of the lot.
27:50So we plan to have several meetings in the community output here at the Rights Center starting in September to talk about design standards for anyone who might participate in the overlay.
28:08There's a survey online through July 30th, and I provided some handouts at the front table with QR code and also a website.
28:17So we are asking questions like what night or what time would you like to meet?
28:22So I want to know the community if they would prefer to meet Tuesday evenings, Thursday evenings, or Saturday mornings when you start a meetings in September.
28:30We also are asking some questions about design standards that the community can support in the survey.
28:36The survey will be open through July the 30th.
28:40In advance of the meeting with Ford Vanellas, as well as future steps coming up, we would like to request that the CAC this evening approve a motion to support the plan to redevelop the district overlay because we would like to communicate your support for the overlay as we move forward with action steps.
29:01And that concludes my presentation.
29:03I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have opened the public.
29:09First, are there any questions from anyone on the committee?
29:16Are there any questions from anyone in the community?
29:29This is a good question.
29:31Um, did you fill out a comment card?
29:35Well, one is being brought to you.
29:36Please be sure to fill your card out as you come up to ask your question.
29:56Uh, good evening, everyone.
29:58Uh, my name is Katrina George.
30:00I live at 1276 Elder Street.
30:02I am a resident of North Greenwood.
30:05My question is for the board is do you have any anti-displacement protections for the community that's already been set up?
30:18I'm hearing about all the wonderful plans that you have for the redevelopment, but I'm not hearing any protections for the citizens, business owners, or the community at large.
30:41So when renters are buildings are being demolished and homes are being uh taken away from the community need of redevelopment.
30:57Um are they are there um protections for them to re-enter um into the area uh with some stipulations for the um homeowners uh as well as um for the homeowners is there uh protections for imminent domain already put in place um for uh business owners who have properties within this community um are there uh tax protections for them uh so that they can maintain their businesses and not be affected by this rezoning.
31:36Um and is there a um grant set up for a trust fund set up for uh the taxes uh for the that may um may affect the community at that part of the CRA to actually have a trust fund to uh actually assist the citizens.
32:00I haven't heard any of that as of yet, so those are my concerns.
32:06Well so allow me to start off by saying thank you for your question.
32:14Now I I just want to be sure that everyone understands that what's being discussed right now is an overlay, it's not changing the actual zoning of what's taking place.
32:25And when it comes to that overlay, uh residents can elect to participate in the overlay or not.
32:33So all this is really allowing residents to do is to increase their ability to build out on their property, right?
32:43So for you maybe being a homeowner, if you wanted to maybe say add uh an ADU, an accessory dwelling unit.
32:52That this overlay will allow you to do that without jumping through um a number of hoops.
33:00It helps to streamline the process for you.
33:02Just like hypothetically, if you were a uh uh a landowner of a vacant lot and you wanted to build a duplex or a triplex to where maybe say you yourself or a family member could live in one unit and you wanted to rent out the other unit or two.
33:19This will allow you to do that without jumping through the necessity the the current hoops that you would need to jump through in order to do that.
33:26So again, this isn't necessarily changing the zoning across the board.
33:31This is allowing an overlay over the current zoning that will allow more flexibility for residents to have more control over their property and to put a uh increase units, which will help bring down uh housing costs because supply demand, the more supply there is uh the the more flexibility and more affordable units can be.
33:55Um, and then it'll also uh enable you to have the ability to um increase your income by being a homeowner and adding additional units to your property, that's rent that you can collect.
34:08So again, this isn't necessarily changing the zoning as we see it, it's just allow more flexibility for residents to be able to have more control over their property and therefore make more money and or uh create more units for more affordable housing.
34:25That covers one point of what you asked.
34:29Uh the displacement of renters.
34:33I can speak up, I can be out there, give me thank you.
34:35Uh the displacement of renters because there's uh a large proportion of non-homeowners in this area, and how would those people that are renting?
34:47When they are displaced, how are they taking care of?
34:50Or what are the incentives that you know that they have to be re relocated and then walked back into the area if they so desire.
35:01And then that's that's the deal right there.
35:03These are these people are rented, and we are the safeguards.
35:10Um so at this exact moment, we don't have any specific provisions around uh renters and the possibility of renters being displaced.
35:22Um that is something that we can definitely add to our conversation that we can talk with city staff about to see if if there's anything that could be done in that regard.
35:31That is going to be a huge impact if this thing goes through like that.
35:35Uh good, bad or indifferent, it's going to be an impact on the community because those people being displaced, who's going to replace them?
35:47We changed the whole dynamic of the community.
35:50Well, I I also think that we're I understand the caution and I understand the concern.
36:02But the way that I understand the the overlay district and the way the and the conversations that I've been involved in, I'm I'm trying to wrap my head around in what way do you foresee renters being displaced by this overlay?
36:22Where are they gonna go?
36:24Whoa, how would they be able to do that?
36:31Where are they gonna go?
36:32Because something has to be torn down in order to rebuild.
36:37Well, we'll put you so if if you if you are if you are a homeowner, right?
36:46Okay, so if you are a non-homeowner, and you are currently in a single family dwelling on one lot, and the homeowner, the property owner, is saying that I want to build an accessory dwelling unit on said property to add density.
37:06How would you be displaced?
37:08They're not knocking down the house, they're just adding another unit to the property.
37:13Now most of those units are 50 by 80 or lots of 50 by 80.
37:29So you got 12 foot six uh twelve foot setbacks between the two units.
37:34You've got a 50 by 80.
37:36Where are you gonna build?
37:38If you go up, they can't stay in the owner property while you build it, while you make them an addition.
37:44This is where we get it, there's so many different dynamics involved here.
37:47Okay, so if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying that as the property, the lot sizes are currently set up and the way that the homes are set up on the properties, there isn't enough space on those lots to build that additional unit, is what you're saying.
38:07So if that is the case, then if the homeowner or the property owner wants to add an additional unit, then they are going to have to create a construction project that will displace the homeowner.
38:21Well, I'm sorry, that will displace the the renter while this construction is being done.
38:28That's what you're saying.
38:33And programs I can I do these questions about development.
38:36We can go on and on the crowd here too.
38:40The public comment has three minutes.
38:42We're being very respectful to the chair because he runs the show.
38:46But we are timing as well.
38:49But as far as uh but you run however you see fit, as long as everyone gets fair treatment, is all we really care about.
38:56But as far as if there is any rise and values with this geographic area that she's talking about, we do have a trust fund that state statute that we do have to have a trust fund for this area.
39:08And coincidentally, the city attorney before the action state that we have right now, you did request a attorney general opinion and share funds between CRAs, and basically the attorney general stated that you have to have your own trust funds, or if we would have one.
39:25So any rise in values and any rise and so-called um, if there is additional taxes from the county and the city, they are reinvested right put right back into the trust fund for our freewood community development area.
39:40So basically the bank account that we have, and we don't spend a penny outside of the boundaries as far as projects.
39:47So those funds that are put into that trust fund, we're very limited on what we can do with it.
39:54We can do residential improvement grants, we can do commercial grants or physical permanent improvement, not like by some other refrigerator, but fixing up their homes.
40:04We can do investments with fixed up roads, we can do investments for parts, we can do investments for uh many, many things, but it has to be in our plan.
40:15So by statute, we have to have a redevelopment plan.
40:21Anything we do has to be in that plan.
40:23And we do have a body that was recommended by an else county because we are like and mentioned during the bike discussion.
40:31Those funds, the ones that the county gives us very strict on how we use them, and House County requires us to have a public body for us to let everything we do as far as those funds through, and we collaborate and partner up with them intimately, and anyone else in the community shows up.
40:52But hopefully answer the question, and I can here to I go and I apologize too.
41:00Only as the chair recognized, I'm not trying to be mean or anything because we have our rules.
41:06So the the most important thing to me is that is to make sure that everyone is understanding where the where the current discussion is and um the importance of the meeting tomorrow.
41:16Um so with that business with that being said, um, thank you for I I got you.
41:21Um thank you for your questions, Mrs.
41:23I saw you had your hand up.
41:24Would you like to do you have a question or comment before we move forward?
41:30Uh I was just gonna speak to the um the renters uh and that particular uh situation.
41:38Uh the majority of the the property that will be affected by the overlay are empty lots, and these are lots as you think that are small lots that uh could not be rebuilt without varying access.
41:50The overlay give that property owner an opportunity uh to either take advantage of the overlay or not to put something on that lot.
41:59That's how you can increase in the number of rental units.
42:03I don't really, I mean, I'm not saying I can't guarantee it wouldn't display the people, but I think that it will create more rental opportunities that it would display, and it would be an opportunity for more importantly for people who are in the community to increase their uh ability to have more revenue strengths.
42:25So that that was completely my point.
42:30Um any other questions from the community?
42:34Um sorry, I just wanted to add on.
42:38I thought in some of this ADUs aren't allowed if they're not at homestead property, right?
42:43They do the allowability for an ADU is only at homestead properties, not non-homestead properly.
42:55I thought I had a I saw a hand back here somewhere.
43:01Yeah, forgive me, I can't see through the podium, so if there was a hand, I didn't see it.
43:07Okay, no more, no more comments, no more questions.
43:10Any comments or questions from the committee?
43:17Uh so can we have a motion uh to support the land use and zoning project?
43:25I make a motion to support the land use and zoning project, the overlay, KA known as the overlay.
43:32Um do we have a second?
43:54So moving on to the agenda item 5.2.
43:58Umdates on the armory, and I see ACM battle stepping up to provide that update.
44:04Sir, do you need a microphone?
44:09Good evening, everybody.
44:12Just a couple of updates for everyone in attendance.
44:16Um, unfortunately, we have not been completed the conversation around the development agreement.
44:22The last time I came and spoke to you, I mentioned a number of things that we were going to attempt to work through and talk about the um hiring uh standards as well as some of the other provisions that we would like to see in the agreement.
44:35We're still talking about those.
44:36Some of them are just kind of um in terms of the timing of it, just have to do with other work getting in the weight lifting nefarius or any delays from any point of view.
44:46It's just that it hasn't occurred yet.
44:49So our goals that attempt to have an agreement wrapped up by this one, in which we would take that forward to the CRA board of trustees and share with you what those particular deal points are to you know share with you that get your feedback and um you know talk about any questions.
45:05So it looks like we're headed toward Augustine based on where we are today.
45:09We literally had a meeting with the uh developer in the return earlier today.
45:14Some of the things I just want to bring up and uh kind of reiterating what I talked about back on the lead may, so uh they they won't hopefully they won't sound any different, but they are new as a result of us actually talking about them.
45:27So the agreement itself will be a 15-year agreement with respect to their obligations and the city's ability to monitor the success and growth of the company at the armory site as well as Yomamas in general, and that is the basis of their expansion plans.
45:44Um, the restrictions also apply to the use being that the uh company and the use of the building would be maintained as a warehousing and distribution center.
45:55So it would not be an ability for them to do something different, that is the purpose that they wanted to acquire the property, so we're gonna hold them to that.
46:03The existing building will remain.
46:05Uh there will not be any major alterations, there'll be some improvements, but for the most part, the building that you see today, and the yard, if you will, there'll be some improvements there because they are operating a warehousing and distribution operation, so they want to add some things there to allow for their operation to be more efficient in that way, but nothing, no new structures, no, significant renovations and things like that nature.
46:28Um, the purchase price, two million dollars that is going to be honored.
46:31That was what was requested, and our proposal and that is what we're going to receive.
46:37With respect to um covenants and restrictions on what they're required to do over the 15 years, period.
46:44They will be required to create 30 docs at the site over that period of time.
46:49So, right now we have about 34 to what they share with us during the presentation.
46:54Um, we think that's the generous amount of time, 15 years for them to be created.
46:58However, we're not in charge of the approval plans, but we want to at least we want to help them be successful.
47:04So part of that 3030 job goal will be us, us, the city, the CRA sits as advisory committee working with them to make sure that those jobs are advertised and available and as larger performing as possible.
47:21Us marketing, us holding a job opportunity uh fair, if you will, uh, us also making sure that those jobs are advertised in the local employment agency's website.
47:31So that would be career source campaign for us at the memory.
47:35If they choose to advertise it in higher degree or go door to door, that is up to them, but we want to at least have a standard that we can go to and look at and verify that those jobs are there created.
47:47We also uh are asking them to help us or help let us help them create a apprenticeship internship type program and possibly have that partner with either a local technical school or community college and try to set that up within the first five years of the agreement.
48:07So that is one of those that's going to be best efforts.
48:09We can't get there with that amount of time, it won't be because we're not trying, but that is a goal that they've accepted, and we're gonna do our best to get there on that.
48:18Um, with respect to repurchasing the property if they're in a default, we've agreed that they would allow us to do that, and if they go out of business or they have an opportunity to do something different, we would have that opportunity to do so at an appraise their market value at that time, paying for that, but that at least gives us an opportunity to control the destiny of the property in the event that this project doesn't meet all of our expectations.
48:41So again, August is the target date.
48:43If there's any updates, I can provide to you to staff and take news as my partner primary perspective to negotiate the agreement, but I'm here to share some of that news since I can't do the first time.
48:55So happy to answer any questions that you have.
48:59Any questions from the committee?
49:04Thank you for your opportunity to see.
49:10All right, moving on to CRA updates, item 6.1.
49:15Um CRA residential grant uh program consideration of staff recommended revisions and clarifications.
49:24Okay, how you doing?
49:25Maryland Round CRA specialist.
49:28The item before you today is to request consideration of staff's recommended revisions and clarifications to the North Greenland residential exterior improvement grant program.
49:38These are things do not change the intent, the eligibility requirements, funding limits or overall structure of the program.
49:46Instead, they provide additional clarity and flexibility for both applicants and the staff and ministering the program.
50:00The proposed clarifications include section three clarifies the grant district disbursement process by allowing payments to be made directly to the applicant and approved licensed contractor or vendor as approved by the CRA director.
50:11It also clarifies that up to 50% of the approved grant ward may be advanced with no more than more than one payment every 30 days.
50:22Section 4 as mailboxes as an eligible improvement to the grant program.
50:28Section 6 clarifies reimbursement procedures, documentation requirements, phase payments, and confirms that complete reimbursement requests will be processed within 30 days.
50:40Section 9, as an acknowledgement to the application, including informing applicants that grant funds are considered taxable income and that a 1099 will be issued for the grant funds dispersed.
50:55These clarifications were developed in coordination with the city attorney's office to improve consistency and transparency.
51:06I wanted to add something.
51:17This is where we're reinvesting back, those increment funds back into the community for low and moderate income families, households that are homestead within this area.
51:27So anyone that might need a new roof, they can come to us and we can help them with that particular repair.
51:33Same thing with exterior repairs, windows, doors, sighting, foundation, even interior repairs, for instance, if they need ADA improvement or maybe any kind of those, or if they have any kind of life safety issues, for instance, you know, another community I was at.
51:56We had individual who fell through his own floor and injured his leg, and those type of repairs should be made as well.
52:03And this is where the increment funds are being reinvested back within the North Greenland area.
52:08And as far as the taxable the 1099, unfortunately, we did research as much as we could.
52:15We did many, many scenarios that we can do a basically a forgivable loan, all kinds of different scenarios that always comes back to the same point.
52:25We investigated other communities, we married specifically and meeting two and other staff too.
52:33We introduced so many communities, and that hasn't really been a big issue at all.
52:38I'm sure there's probably issues here and there, but it's a risk that we will take in the community.
52:47We also have a housing division that has their own funds for home repairs for lower modern income funds.
53:06Yes, um we will acknowledge your question.
53:10Could you please come to the podium?
53:30Um providing for the community.
53:34One, um, I feel that when you all uh put the information out here, you also need to make a lot of people don't know what a 1099 is.
53:43So if you could clarify that for the community as to you because a lot of them uh haven't had to do that.
53:51So if you can make that more clear, also as far as the tax um, you know, uh the tax uh liability that might come along with taking these grants, they also need to be aware of that.
54:06One of my questions to you is there a way, is there or is there a percentage that um is worked out possibly with a property appraiser's office where up to a certain amount that they wouldn't assess an additional tax burden on this community?
54:25So again, this community is filled with most retirement individuals, so they're on fixed incomes.
54:33An extra hit on them means that they can't pay their taxes or they can't eat.
54:39So I understand that um improvements are necessary, but again, we're the safeguards, and that's really my concern.
54:49Um, I understand that building a community of building a better community, um, you know, uh, doesn't have that doesn't have to be to the detriment of the recordings, and that's the concern.
55:00And that's my concern.
55:05And I hear you and I always gather back that feedback and we go back and see what we can do.
55:14All right, thank you very much.
55:17Was there any comments from the committee on the residential?
55:22I think just a comment for what was just said.
55:30But let's let's imagine you win a car on the price is right, right?
55:36You have to pay taxes on that too.
55:38But if you win that car, you're probably gonna find a way to pay for those taxes, right?
55:42I think that's a good thing.
55:49Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
55:51So so so, ma'am, first and foremost, can you please wait to be acknowledged for your comments?
55:58Um the second part is for the for the very specific piece of the agenda where we are right now.
56:05This is for the residential grant.
56:07So this is something that a resident would sign up for and elect to receive.
56:13So we hear your questions, we hear your concerns, we'll make sure that we work with city staff to make sure that residents are properly informed before they were to uh receive any sort of grant funds.
56:28That was a great way to that's exactly what I was getting at.
56:31Basically, if you want the 25,000 or whatever it is, I I think you know, finding the means to pay for the taxes is something that you know most people will try to figure out, like they'll they'll they'll make it work, right?
56:45If not, they won't apply for it.
56:47But hopefully, with that 25,000 that the city is so generously offering, you'll find a way or they will find a way.
56:54So any other comments from the committee?
57:00I just have a question.
57:02Of course, they're not going to be hi.
57:06Do we know like uh certain percentage that they will be taxed?
57:17Just a thought about the budget and the value that we have.
57:21The microphone is my question was if we know a certain percentage range that they will be taxed.
57:29No, everyone is going to be different, and so it depends where they're at what's their income, but we don't know.
57:37But we're never gonna stop trying to find solutions.
57:39So my comment was um just said you are not going to stop searching for solutions.
57:49Um it breaks my heart that we couldn't find a solution to this, but I understand it is what it is.
57:55Um, and I would say please continue to look for solutions I don't want anybody to lose other services that they need to have because they really needed to get their roof fixed, but they're concerned about that.
58:06But if I had to make a decision between one or the other, I'm probably gonna get my roof fixed and figure about the tax implications afterwards.
58:14Please continue to look for other ways to account for those dollars.
58:20Okay, so it doesn't screen a hard ship.
58:26Vicky, did you have something to add?
58:29I just wanted to reinsure if that's okay.
58:31I would like to address the chair and the board.
58:36Um myself in Maryland, once we really go out community and reach out to all the applicants, we have our first initial meeting and we do it in person.
58:43Even go to the homes if we have to.
58:45And we do on our checklist go over what the 1099 is and that they will be taxed.
58:49And we do recommend if you want to reach out maybe to a tax someone who's a tax attorney or the tax to see if they'll be bothered or how much it's going to affect them.
58:57So we do suggest that when meet with them as the first thing we say and do now.
59:01And it's a part of the application as well.
59:02So you are signing off on it saying that you are aware that you'll receive a 1099.
59:07We do go over with 1099 as best as we can with not tax experts, but we do make sure that they understand they will be taxed at the end of the year for this month.
59:16So I I hope that group you know makes you guys feel a little bit better, but we really do emphasize that, and it's part of our checklist as well.
59:22So I just wanted to make the board aware of that and the community.
59:26Thank you very much.
59:30Moving to the next item on our agenda, item number seven, board members to be heard.
59:34Is there anything from anyone?
59:37Yeah, I think this got okay.
59:40Well, first let's you can mention this.
59:44Thank you very much.
59:45You're very welcome.
59:46All right, so just so that everyone is aware on July 30th, uh starting at 5.30 p.m.
59:52Uh there will be an open session.
59:56Uh the it's the night at the North Ward.
1:00:00Um, it's a rare opportunity to tour the design historic landmark, learn about the redevelopment possibilities and share your ideas for its future.
1:00:07Um feel free to register at my clearwater.com slash North Ward again at July 30th at 5 30 p.m.
1:00:14at the North World School on Fort Harrison.
1:00:18You have something?
1:00:24I just like to comment that I went to the event uh showcasing the growth and uh getting to meet different businesses that would be in there, and it was wonderful, and I'm really excited for that.
1:00:39Thank you, Hannah.
1:00:41Um it was exciting.
1:00:43That was what my comments were going to be on it as well.
1:00:46Um at the last meeting, we talked about the taste of the village that we had here in the gym.
1:00:52Uh it was a phenomenal event and a phenomenal turnout.
1:00:56I want to thank you all for supporting that.
1:00:58So you all got to um uh kind of test drive or sample some of the amazing food services businesses that will be housed in the upcoming uh the village at the grove.
1:01:09Um, so that name is changing real time.
1:01:12So you you if there are containers, but it's called the Village at the Grove.
1:01:16So thank you all for supporting that.
1:01:18That will be the last one that we do.
1:01:19Someone asked that we would do it every month.
1:01:24Uh the food was great.
1:01:26Um, and you will be happy to know since we are getting food dessert, um, that we will have some great options and a nice variation of different foods that will be available in the village.
1:01:37So I'm really excited about that project and all the great things that are coming.
1:01:41By the way, that is the first of other projects that will be happening.
1:01:44This is not the last one.
1:01:45So just wanted to thank you all for that.
1:01:49Awesome, thank you very much.
1:01:51Well, with that being said, there is no more business to be conducted.
1:01:54So I call this meeting to adjournment at 6 32 p.m.