That has come to order.

Uh today we are at the public art and design board.

Today is Thursday, July 9th, 2026.

I thank everyone for attending.

Our first order of business is to approve the minutes.

So has everyone had a chance to read the minutes.

All right.

I will make a motion to approve the minutes for the May 14th board meeting.

I would second it.

We have a motion and a second.

All in favor?

Aye.

Aye.

All opposed.

Minutes approved.

Our second order of business is citizens to be heard.

Good afternoon.

For those of you that don't know me, I'm Beth Daniels, and I'm currently the president of the board of the Clearwater Arts Alliance.

So we usually try to come to your meetings and give you a heads up on what we're doing.

Betsy also our projects manager directors is here with us.

And that is up until July twenty-fourth.

So you still have a couple weeks if you haven't seen it yet.

But there was uh one of the reporters came and did a nice story about it.

She talked to some of the artists and showed the gallery.

It was very lovely.

Uh just before the fourth, we also unveiled a new signal box, which is done by a Clearwater artist, Heather Rippert.

So it was an original piece.

The DR DAR Daughters of the American Revolution wanted to do something honoring America's two fifty birthday.

And so she did, and coincidentally, she happens to have been born and raised in Philadelphia.

So she did a piece that uh that um emphasized uh Constitution Hall where the where the declaration was signed and stuff, and also five significant women who were uh meaningful uh participants in the revolutionary effort.

And there's a Q code to the story about who they are and why they're important, everything.

So it's really kind of interesting.

And that's gonna also be available to acquire prints of it.

So we had a real nice crowd uh with help of Parks and Rec and Amber and everything, getting a good crowd out there for the unveiling, which was about two weeks ago.

It's lovely.

Um we also are in the middle of a call to artists in June for new signal boxes.

Our board has decided that I mean we have to find locations for them, but we we've got um we want to get some new artists.

Um we pay them for the right to use their image.

And uh so we want to get some more in our inventory, so to speak, so that when we find a good spot, we can just go ahead and do the installation.

So we have fifty now within the city limits of Clearwater and working on more.

So that's coming along nicely, and we get a lot of public comment about that.

And we are also soon to put out another call for sculpture artists because the three that are in Cleveland in the in the block by the Capitol Theater and the next two blocks going east, um, those have been in just over a year, and we got a grant from Panell's uh community foundation to do uh another round of those.

So we want to get the call out, make some decisions, and then do a swap out and hopefully an event that would feature you know, some kind of a nice unveiling and party that would feature those uh 3D items.

So anything else, Betsy?

You sure?

Okay.

Any questions?

We're um it there's a lot going on.

Actually, there's also a beautiful art exhibit on right now that's tied to the um hundredth anniversary of the death of the famous architect Gaudí, who they just completed the building of the Segrada Familia in Barcelona, Spain, and and pictures, paintings I should really say, paintings by uh Galban, who's a local St.

Petersburg painter, are on display at Peace Memorial through this Sunday.

They've been up a month, but it's you know free to the public to come in, and it's a lovely exhibit if you haven't seen it yet.

Sunday's your last chance because it comes down after that.

So lots going on.

Thank you.

Any questions?

I do item 4.1.

Submit and approve final art design for new city hall staircase.

Good afternoon.

Hamber Bryce, Arts of Cultural Affairs Manager.

So for this item, um, we want to discuss selecting the final artwork for the City Hall staircase, but we need to have a different discussion today.

A little different discussion.

So I was sent some updated pictures of the new city hall.

I was a little concerned with the way that the staircases look because they don't look like the original renderings that I was given for a mural.

So I actually went there today.

I took some pictures so that you guys can see.

I personally do not think it is worth city funds to do the north side of the building.

I don't think it will have a public art impact that we want it to have.

Um it's just not going to be very visible.

I would prefer to spend those funds elsewhere in the city that will have a better impact.

We can have the discussion if we should do the south side of the staircase.

So I'll show you the stairwell that I saw today.

So this is unlike the midsection.

So the south side has these windows up top, and then they also have windows off to the side, so it's a little brighter.

You can see into the building from different angles, and then also um from this side is where the new PSTA station is being built.

So you can see it out that window there.

There'll be more foot traffic, there'll be more traffic in general coming in on this street.

Um another another part of this that was not really discussed was there's a UV tinting on all of the windows.

So you cannot see inside the building in the daytime.

Like it is it's reflective, you can't really see it.

So nighttime would be the only time you could see these murals, or when you're actually in the stairwell.

Um, so if we did do the south side, I would think we'd just want to do the top portion instead of going all the way down because when you're in the bottom floor, when you look in, all you can see is stairs.

Can't actually see the wall where the mural will be.

Same with driving on the road.

Um, so maybe like these top two or three panels right here.

Um that's kind of the first discussion point.

As a kind of alternative, I've um reached I I asked assistant city manager slaughter about potentially painting the municipal services building and staircase instead.

So this building open to the public.

So this is a stairwell that is open.

You see it when you walk in, it's visual to everybody that works there.

If you're going to pay your utility bill, things like that when you show up to the building, you'll be able to see this staircase.

So we could paint the side kind of off to the side, and you know, two sides of the building.

That's the front of the building.

You can see all the windows that face the parking lot, um, and the different levels already has lighting.

So you can paint this like right side and the the front portion while you're walking down the steps.

So that would be either in addition to the south side or instead of the stairwells all together.

So that's the first point of discussion I think we should just talk about.

And how what do you guys think?

How do you feel?

You can disagree with me, whatever you whatever you want to discuss.

Well, the lobby there is really needs uh a little attention.

It's a little, it's a blank canvas.

It's very white, yes, a lot of white walls, yeah.

Right.

And when you walk in, you want you know, you want to get a different impression.

Everything's all white, pristine and clear.

But I think that when you walk in the because I I know that building, it's where the building department is.

So when you walk in, you know, the stairs in front, but the wall behind would be a good opportunity.

I agree.

And those uh the different uh stairwells that come down that kind of seems to ask for a treatment that makes some use of that.

Uh you mean at the municipal services?

Yes, straight on shot.

This like this kind of shot right here.

Well, this is brand, they just redid those buildings, so I'm not sure I can ask for any upgrades on it to anything on stairs.

What I mean was that um I don't think you can ignore, I guess you could just put a uh a mural behind it.

Yeah, you can call it good, but then you're talking about like the cutout part of like under the railings.

Is that what you're talking about?

Right, right.

The um the sides of the stairs as it were.

Um I would think it would be uh maybe a good idea to ask some of the artists um if they if there was anything they would want to make use of that's a good idea with so it's not just a white line in front of their design.

If the if the mural were birds and things like that, or if it was uh underwater, would you want to have you know maybe they would have fish going up or birds flying down or I don't know.

No, that's a very good point, and I I will definitely look at that for sure.

I don't think it would change the cost very much.

So I mean maybe it's doable then paint the the railings somehow and to make use of that, or I don't know.

We'll see.

We'll see what I can get permission to do.

I think if you if if we're considering putting a mural on that wall, then whatever the artwork just comes forward out of the mural into the pieces of the stairwell.

Well, those little strips, whether it's just color or design or pattern.

Yeah, so you need opportunity there to just be able to do that.

No, I agree.

That's a very good point.

So I would put it definitely on the south wall, not the east wall.

So that there's a so we're going back to so this is this is municipal services, this is the front building.

We're not gonna do anything in the closed stairwells of this building.

Correct.

So then the other conversation is the city hall stairwells.

Do we spend the money and hire an artist to do the south side?

Or do we not do any stairwells at all in City Hall?

That's kind of the sculpture going in.

That's technically the art piece in City Hall.

The architects are the ones that said, well, here's a mural opportunity for the stairs.

But now that I've actually seen the stairs and it's you can't see anything.

Just really can't.

Yeah, it's I just don't know.

I just don't know.

It's up to you guys.

Kind of how many people use the stairs up and down that area?

So this one is used a lot, and also this building has a lot more employees that work in it.

City Hall is gonna have a lot less people that work in it, and City Hall has a front staircase that's like a grand staircase that you would go up to.

The stairwells are more for employees or emergency exits and things like that.

Does this maybe call for a different suggest maybe we we ask for some other treatments for those lesser used stairwells?

I mean, that like I'm open to all suggestions.

I usually show us that stairwell to stay again.

Let's get back.

I mean, I'm somebody I end up using stairwells a lot, and I get impressed when they're just like but if you're visiting City Hall, you're not gonna be able to do that.

You're gonna go up the grand staircase to the the dais to the chambers, and that's kind of that's meant for the public use.

Um so this was this is the south side.

Is that the one you wanted to see?

I didn't even show you the north side.

Do you want to see the north side?

Sure.

So the north side is that's pretty much the only windows in the place.

So there's more of a wall, as you can see here, kind of separating.

Um there's not those windows up top that bring in all that light.

Um this is from the outside.

So really the only windows in the stairwell are kind of above the doors.

It's not who uses the staircase, the stairwell.

So we're not really sure how many people would use it.

But you're not like as a public person wouldn't be able to access the stairwell from the outside.

Correct.

Okay.

So maybe maybe a good if if it compromised would be to do the mural in the municipal building and then activate these spaces with just some like colorful paint that's not you know industry white or gray.

Or a torje cow or you know, like decal art or something like that that's less expensive.

That's not also my concern.

I mean they have to paint it.

Scaffolding and things like that.

Well, they're painting it white.

That's what this guy's doing right here.

He's just painting it white.

So that's what it's gonna be right now.

Um could put, you know, like colorful decals or things like that on there.

You can do wraps and they come off easily.

Right.

Yeah.

Without or just like, you know, damage.

A couple hundred dollars or a thousand dollars versus tens of thousands of dollars.

I agree.

But the scaffolding and nobody's gonna see it, let's see.

Yeah, I don't we're not gonna get our bang for our body.

I don't think any of us realized that it's in a kind of sealed off space.

Right.

The UV windows that you mentioned that have the UV coating that are kind of blocking that area.

Is it possible to make those a piece of artwork?

Is there something that anybody can do with it?

Like the perforated with different UFE coatings or something that would be.

Well, they make a vinyl.

That way people perforated, you can see out of it.

We have a printer for it at work.

We've been talking about this.

But um, and you you know, squeegee it on a wet application.

I mean, I'm so like on one side it's just you can see right out of it.

Right.

And then the other side it has whatever graphic as a pattern.

I just think because it's in brand new building and they're going to open it and they want it to be the building is the art.

I'm not sure I could ask for anything like that right now.

Maybe in a year or two when it's not so shiny and new, that'd be a different conversation.

But the architecture is a good idea.

I I just have a feeling the answer is probably gonna be no, but I can always ask, right?

Right.

Um board recommendation is to not go forward with any city hall stairwell murals, is that what I'm hearing?

That would be my opinion.

You guys agree.

Because you can get any able to see it except for the folks that work there.

Yeah.

Did we have to take a vote on this?

Or is it just a recommendation?

Just a recommendation.

Um is everybody in favor of doing the municipal services stairwell?

Yes, kind of instead of okay.

So then the next part of this would be floaty toe.

Art and artist.

Floaty toe.

Um now that the stairwell is changed, I do think we'll have to go back to the drawing board a little bit on design with whoever whichever artist we pick, just because now there's two faces to the wall that we'll be doing.

And let's say, so I will say the overall the heron design was the favorite from the board and from city staff.

I even uh asked for their opinion as well.

This was the favorite, but breaking this down into now three floors instead of two floors, like I don't know what that looks like if this is the direction we want to go.

So I guess what I would want from you all is which artist would you want to go with, and then if we want to kind of stick with this theme, maybe he can create a new design that encompasses both walls.

I don't know if you want um the second option that you all picked was um the pelican.

So same artist, no, sorry, different artist, artist two with the pelican was this one.

It was the second most voted number one piece.

And I will say throw this out there as well.

Which art, whatever artist we don't pick, I'm going to offer them the wall at Coachman Park, or one of the walls at Coachman Park, because they've been waiting and they've been very patient, and both these artists are very talented, so I'd like to give them an opportunity either way.

So I like that the pelicans perched on the stairs, and since there's what I guess three sets of stairs now, there could maybe be another pelican on the next set of stairs that aren't visible.

Well, this wasn't the favorite design, so really it's kind of this is artist two and artist two at the orange blossoms and the hibiscus flowers, and then artist.

One has more of that um geometric kind of shapes that they turns into a design.

So the other one was the water.

Yeah, which wasn't as highly voted for.

I still like the the herrings, and I will just send it back to the artists to see if they can accommodate for extra stairs.

Maybe they could even incorporate their second design onto the stairs because it's like the just the water powder.

And that could be yeah, kind of cool.

And I don't I was wondering, would they want to do with that work as a single large mural, or would they be looking at it as like a like the staircase is completely different, the wall size is different, so I think this is something I definitely just have to go back with to him and say you know how what do you what do you want to do?

Yeah, I would definitely uh propose it back to them to come up with updated artwork.

And the only thing really that I'm I this is one of my favorite pieces, and the only thing I'm I'm missing from this that you do get in the pelicans, which I wasn't really a fan of the Pelican ones, what is just movement in the with the pelican that was flying, just some kind of movement, but that's the only my only observation, other than it just needs to be resized or re-imagined for the the third staircase.

So is everybody in favor?

I guess I would want to vote for which artist you want to move forward with with the municipal services staircase, yeah.

So mistake I would move that we go with uh the heron artist and send the send it back to him asking for um a reimagining for the three staircases uh placement.

Yep, so second that we have a a motion in a second, all in favor.

I'll oppose uh herring design is artist one, artist one is moved.

Art of Anon, I think is his name.

What was his name again?

Art of Anon, a A-N-O-N is the moniker who does that.

Okay, well, thank you all for going down that rabbit hole with me.

Okay.

Um sorry, go ahead.

Sorry, my brain is not in my head today.

Item number 4.2, discuss live painting at Clearwater Celebrates America 250 of me.

So we had a big Clearwater celebrates America 250 last weekend for 4th of July.

Um we had a live painting demonstration that was incorporated into the event.

Um Parks and Breck had approached me about doing some sort of visual art component, so I recommended a live artist painting.

Um so we selected Isaac Gress.

Um he scored very high in our last call to artist.

He's known for his hyper-realistic work.

Um, so these are the designs that he sent, and then these are how the designs turned out.

I asked for more red, white, and blue at the bottom as opposed to like the stairs, the the stars uh in that original design.

So this is how it turned out.

Um, unfortunately, he had a lot less time to work on this than he thought he would, so he didn't complete um the other part with the the kid.

He only got about a third of the way through.

Um, so he went, he's gonna take that home, he's gonna complete it, and then that is being donated to the Arts Alliance to then they can auction that off at their either annual fundraising dinner or on their website to kind of be a fundraiser for them, but then it's also a piece of artwork that was created.

So I hope we can work with this artist again on the future.

He's very very talented.

Yeah, it's uh and it was very hot.

I felt bad for him, yeah.

Is there any discussion with that by the way?

Okay, item number 4.3 discuss city branded art sign in Culture Park.

So this is more of a brainstorming discussion item.

Um so staff is looking for feedback on the idea of installing a decorative like metal photo op sign in Coachman Park.

Um so these designs were sent to me by Sharp Metal Studios, so it is an artist that creates these.

Um I also share these with the Arts Alliance to get some more feedback.

Um the feedback for them was this kind of wave sign is more on brand with clear water, but then we'd want something colorful like this one.

Um so I asked this sign um goes for about 35,000, which is less than I thought it would be.

So this wouldn't take the place of the iconic art piece.

This would be an addition to.

So there would still be some iconic art piece that we're putting in Coachman Park, but then this would be more of like a signage picture photo op.

So here's some of their work they did.

I asked if we can do it without the at symbol, they said yes.

So I don't think we would put a uh call to artist out.

I think we would just bid this out to probably three different artists or companies that do work like this and see what designs they come up with, and then we just come back to the board.

So interested in your thoughts on this.

If you think we should go with Clearwater spelled out, CLW, iHeart CLW, do you like the colors?

Do we like the metal?

All the thoughts, all the things.

Well, for marking, I mean, it probably should say clear water, right?

I mean, because it's gonna people come in from all over the state, other places, right?

And they're taking pictures in front of this.

You wanted to to mark it, right?

Kind of like South Beach.

I mean, I know I know there's a Brickle Avenue, too.

Um it's a it's an icon piece, right?

It's there to be there for several years, take family pictures, and you know, it's the it's the backdrop.

But I think that as we try to promote Coachman Park to other areas outside our community, if they're promoting that and says clear water, boom, you know.

It's a great marketing piece for that.

Yeah, I like the full name spelled out, though.

I also like the colorful one more than the polished one, I think that's kind of the Lake Nona one.

Kind of a yeah, yeah, I like that.

Um I think the polished one is gonna be kind of a maintenance nightmare.

The my concern about the colorful one is of course the sculpture that's at the East Library that's chalky.

Um that would be my question to the fabricators, or you know, what material is being used and what is like the warranty and upkeep and stuff like that on the colored surfaces.

Actually, did read that's weird.

Yeah, it's like oxidized.

I mean, it's been there for 10 years.

Yeah, and I think it's painted, I think they painted on metal.

I think this would be acrylic, I'm not sure.

Um, I did reach out to the city of Orlando, which is where this is, and they're like, that's not us, that's an HOA.

So I tried to reduce the HOA just to see what the maintenance was like and how it's held up, but uh wasn't able to get you know hear back from anyone yet.

Yeah, I was just in like no month or so ago.

I wish I had known to look for this.

I would have checked it out for you.

Isn't there a is there a possibility with um the artists makers of things like this that we would budget for maintenance from them rather than kind of looking forward saying, oh, at some point we're gonna need an issue, there's gonna be an issue that maybe as part of the contract would be we're working in this in, and you're gonna come in every year or every two years or whatever, and you'll come and do whatever maintenance is required and make sure it still looks good.

So in their uh contract, they usually submit a upkeep is the word I'm looking for, like a maintenance uh packet.

So what do we have to do?

How often do we have to do it?

Not necessarily it has to be me that does it, because I think sometimes you know they're out of state, so it doesn't make sense for them to have to come in every year to do this.

Um so if it's just pressure washing, that can be anybody that does that.

Um but we do ask for the maintenance plan.

Okay.

The other thought I had was we have the big at sign there that you were.

That would be gone.

I asked.

But I wonder about a possibility with something with that, with maybe something that can be swapped out at different times for seasonal things, or like we've got the America 250.

You know, if we had there was something that could be put there, America 250, Clearwater, where people could they had their pictures taken, they'd be like, we were there that year, or whatever we wanted to do, if there was like a space as part of it that something could be added or removed at the end of the day.

Like a pumpkin for Halloween, yeah.

Something like that.

The duck.

Christmas tree for Christmas or something.

Where are we thinking about location-wise?

Yeah, culture.

Um, not sure yet.

I think we'd want it to be somewhere on the water, like when you're taking a photo of it, you get a view of the water in the bridge and and something like that.

Um, but we've also said the same thing for the iconic art piece, so I don't I don't know which one will get the the top spot.

Right.

All right.

I'm thinking I I I understand having clear water spelled all the way out from a brand of perspective.

I do like the initial COW from a photograph perspective, just because there's less space, they have to you can get in front of three letters.

You can still add clear water underneath it to spell it out.

So CLW didn't clear water underneath it.

There's just less space almost like Lake Nona.

You can actually stand in front of that and have to be so far back to take a picture from it.

But that was just like a selfie perspective.

Selfie perspective, or even if someone's taking the picture of you, they have to stand pretty far back again.

Yeah.

The whole word clearwater in South Speaker.

I mean, if we did and that's a very good point.

But if we did something like this, like so let's take the at symbol out, and we just we do clear water, but it's all colorful this way, so that it's it's more compact.

It's spelled out, but it's more compact, so it's not the whole thing.

Yeah, I think whatever you can do to compress it a little bit so you can stand in front of it, or you can you can get a selfie in front of it, and it's not a part of a letter.

Yes, I understand.

Would you like a hashtag better than the at sign?

I mean, I'm not in the Gen Z, but I feel like they don't use hashtags anymore.

I don't I think they're getting away from hashtags, so I get what's part of it.

Because even with the ad, I think that was at one point in time that was the in that was the Instagram handle, and I think people have just stopped using that.

So I agree.

Yeah, but whatever we can do to the whatever the artist can do to shrink it down, not really shrink it down, still make it prominent, but easy to the photograph.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I like the South Beach one, like that how compact that one was, and like how it was more of a solid colors, so you can just see like CLW or clear water stacked like that.

Clear water.

And I like the choice of like block text instead of the one that's in Jacksonville that says derp or whatever.

It's like a big script.

It's pretty awful.

Will there does this include um lighting?

I mean, I'm not sure if it would just go on the surface that is already there, because you can kind of see this is just a metal plate that's bolted in, and they clearly built this you know, riser out of something, but um I'm not sure this.

We're very early in this discussion, so I I think it would just depend on placement and what's possible.

So we also have that dock that's in front of the dock master's office that goes all the way out that I think is also a perfect location for a sign or something because it's on the water.

Um I'm not sure we could build something concrete there, but we could just maybe put it right there.

So yeah, well, whatever material we use, it has to be able to handle the salt air.

Right.

And this and the heat of the sun.

Because it'll just eat it alive, yeah.

This substrate looks easier to clean tooth than the Lake Nona one as well for South Beach.

Yeah.

I have a I mean I don't know.

I'm just like looking at the picture, it kind of looks like aluminum almost.

Are we looking at all at any sort of intersection or complementary design with the iconic piece?

Not at the moment, just because that one is way far down the line.

Like we don't we haven't even put out the call yet.

So by the time we put out the call and get to science and then get proposals, and I mean we're talking probably a year before that even I mean, should these connect at all if they're gonna be nearby?

I don't know color or I I think that staff wants to move forward and like admin wants to move forward with something like this sooner than later, just because it is a place making thing and it's a it's a photo opportunity.

Um and then the piece we pick maybe like a mosaic or something.

I don't know if I don't know.

I don't know the answer to that, but the answer's probably we will make them separate things.

I like it color, uh more color is always necessary.

So we're all in agreement on more colorful we're all in agreement on spelling it out.

Spelling it out for sure.

Because I think that's gonna help me with Becker Holland of Clearwater and Coachman part.

Because I still are there are some artists out there like Clearwater, where's that?

You know, and then I'll take your feedback about more maybe more compact or fit it into a photo.

Has the marketing department do they have ideas about this?

Or I haven't run this by them yet.

So this is you know public communications, yeah, but they're they're not artists, or they do more like signage and social media and things like that.

But they're they're not artists, or they do more like signage and social media and things like that.

So yeah, I mean you can change the text.

I mean, it's kind of like the Clevelander on Miami Beach, right?

Clevelanders a long word, right?

But they use deco lettering, they have squeezed it in.

Yeah, but that's their logo on the front door.

So I mean, just different text or whatever could try.

Yeah.

Item five, director's report.

I don't have anything that was my whole report.

Item number six, are there any board members to be heard?

Good today.

Did we follow up at all on the um the flower idea?

And I don't know if that was something we were gonna ask Clarewater Arts Alliance about or so makeup.

So we did uh we brought it up at their last uh board meeting.

They were all in favor of it.

Um talking about putting out a um info who who would be interested, like an interest form right now, um, to just see which businesses and and houses and who would be interested in actually having this, and then I think they're gonna take the lead on the project, but it'll be whether or not they fund it, they fundraise or for it, um, maybe get a sponsor, not really sure, and then they'll probably have a panel, like do a call to artist, and either pick either one artist or maybe three artists that do different colors, and that's their specialty or something like that.

So we did have a discussion there in favor.

I'm sure they can speak to it if they'd like to come up and talk about it.

But um, yeah, I think we're gonna move forward with it, so I'm excited about that.

Cool.

Well, since since there's a couple of sorry since there already are a couple examples out there, there's a signal box that actually has a worker in the gladial field that was you know painted by a local artist in response to photographs that are actually from the historical museum.

So black and white photographs from back then.

So there's that example already there, and of course, the your purposeful inclusion of it in the mural that's right here behind the library.

There were choices amongst the um samples that that artist gave, and you you know, you landed on the one that incorporated the gladiolas.

One of the things that we were talking about was because they came in so many colors, at least that's the way we remember them.

Was that you know, a building owner would have some choices?

Oh, the purple one or the pink one or the yellow one would really look cool on my building, it would be a little different than just you know, the orange or whatever.

It would you know allow them to have some choices and you know, maybe have three different local artists that I did the purple one and I'm the pink person, or I'm a person, whatever.

Anyway, that's what we talked about, and we thought it would probably get some interest, and and it would be great if we had a couple public buildings, you know, that we could start on, because then you could start the buzz and the talk about it, and people would get the idea, I think, pretty quick.

I think it'd be fun.

I wonder if that could also be something with those stairwells that aren't gonna be seen a whole lot, maybe a low-cost kind of Easter egg or something that the you know the especially the city employees want to feel it's not public art so much, but want to feel involved and maybe yeah, some wraps of gladiolas on the stairwell.

You know, only because I like here and there only because I got back up here.

I some time ago there was this goes back years.

There was a lot of hoo-ha about the fact that, and it's a beautiful piece, the big hanging piece that's at the at the fire station.

I mean, there are very you know, it it was supposed to be in a glass lobby that was gonna be very visible from the street, and I mean that's you know, you're going right by on Gulf the Bay as you go out to the beach and everything.

Well, none of that worked out, you know, that there were all kind of legal problems with the way that a building got oriented and everything else.

I said, if you want to do something exciting in the atrium at the municipal uh services building, which is three or four stories high, pick that thing up and hang it in there.

Everybody can see it, and a ton of people are coming in and out of there, and then it's something you've already got that nobody is seeing.

Just my two things.

Okay, thank you.

Save some money and make something else.

Repurpose.

Anybody else?

Thank you, Greg, for coming through with the comments as always.

Yeah.

Always has to last with a comment.

Love it.

Um, if there's nothing else, our meeting is adjourned.

Good job.