Present.

Thank you, Director.

Uh come on.

719-2025 by Councilmember Centana Bishop and Harrison by Department of Request and Emergency Order to authorize the director of Capital Projects to issue a permit to the Northeast Ohio Hispanic Center for Economic Development to encroach into a public right-of-way of West 25th Street by installing using maintaining billboards along the building uh front that has been heard and passed by municipal services province director.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

So this is uh an encroachment ordinance and it relates to the um the building that's owned by uh the Ohio Hispanic Center for Economic Development uh known as Centrovilla on West 25th Street, and the encroachment request is to put in uh bollards along the building on West 25th Street, and it's to improve pedestrian safety as well as to provide additional protection for the building, which over the years has been struck by uh by vehicles.

Um as I acknowledged at the previous committee, the ballads the ballards are in um the organization did install the bollards uh without city permission, and we are working with them uh to ensure that the ballards were installed properly and installed in the right location.

Um this ordinance once it's passed gives this gives us the approval to authorize those ballards to remain.

Got it, sound good.

Yes, I uh where the I know the balls are talking about.

That it did some great work to restore this uh facility in um you know a simple piece like this helps them.

Any questions from the committee?

See no further questions, ordinance number seven nineteen dash twenty twenty-five stands approved.

Ordinance number nine five five dash twenty twenty-five by council members McCormick Bishop and Harrison by departmental request, and emergency orders declared the intent to vacate all of the unnamed alleys south of Abbey Avenue.

Um Mr.

Uh Chairman, so uh just a reminder to to council members that the vacation process is a three-step process.

The resolution of intent to vacate, which this is is the first of that three-step process.

Then the the request goes to the board of revision of assessments.

If approved there, then it comes back to council for an ordinance to actually vacate the roadway.

So um as mentioned, this is the first step.

This is the intent to vacate an unnamed alley that goes just south of Abbey Avenue.

And there are uh two property owners that are abutting this, and they're both uh coming together to request the vacation.

And the idea is that they would it's just a paper alley, uh there's no actual pavement there, but the request is that they would have a shared access drive that would support the development that they're jointly doing adjacent to this property.

Sounds good.

Also heard of municipal services and properties.

Councilman Cormac supports he does.

Thank you.

Any questions from the committee?

Emergency resolution declaring.

And to the members 56, 57, 58 are all related to the same project that we'll hear from uh the guests uh loc this morning.

Uh Mr.

Chairman, so I'll I'll start out by saying that these um all three uh resolutions of incentive vacate relate to um West Third Street, which is um adjacent to the Bedrock project.

And um I uh I wanted to emphasize that the first one is to vacate a portion of the roadway, this 956 2025 that's at the very end of West Third Street as it hits the Cuyahoga River, and this is where uh the Bedrock Project intends to construct uh kayak launch in a future uh portion of the project.

Um the second am I reading all three at the same time?

The second resolution uh 957-2025 is to um vacate um a portion of West Third Street in front of the Cavs Clinic and the Cavs and the Cleveland Clinic building that's currently under construction, and the intent is to uh have a uniform width of West Third Street.

Um this is a portion of West Third Street that had an extra wide width to allow for a ramp onto the old Eagle Avenue Bridge, which has been demolished for several years.

So this really just uh creates a uniform width all the way down West Third Street, and then the third one, which is resolution five or nine five eight twenty twenty-five, is um also um uh a resolution that will create uh a uniform width.

Um the reason we have two ordinances is that um there's a different LLC limited liability company that owns adjacent to each of those parcels.

So we have a separate uh resolution for each.

Um so with that um I'll I'll um turn it over to Jean-Michel Lemon, who's uh consultant for the Bedrock Project for any additional details.

All right, good morning.

Ms.

Morning.

Thank you.

As was shared, the uh the consistency of the right-of-way is is the key focus here.

So in in front in the frontage of the two parcels where there's 103.5 feet of right-of-way, we're looking to bring that down to 70 so that it's uniform for the the entire north-south corridor.

So that's the uh the main consistency that we're that we're looking to bring forward here.

Okay, thank you.

Uh, any questions from the committee on the first piece, which is 956 2025?

Seeing no questions 956 2025 stands approved.

Ordinance uh resolution number 957-2025 by Council Members McCormick, Bishop, and Harrison by Departmental Request and Emergency Resolution declaring the attend to vacated portion of West Third Street.

This is the second phase that's near the Eagle Eagle Road Bridge, correct?

Yes.

Uh that was just narrated by the Rector of MoCAP and his guests.

Any questions on orders number 957-2025?

Seeing uh ordinance uh resolution approved.

Resolution 958-2025 by the by council members McCormick Bishop and Harrison by departmental request, an emergency resolution declaring the intent to vacate a portion of West Third Street.

And this last portion uh uh director uh is in front of the the new facility, correct?

The Cavs and the Cleveland Clinic facility.

So this one is a little bit further.

What direction is this?

It's further south.

South.

Okay.

As narrated by the director in his previous comments along with the guests.

Any other questions regarding resolution 958-2025?

CNN resolution number 958-2025 stands approved.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

Ordinance number 976 2025 by Council members McCormick, Bishop, and Harrison by departmental request and emergency ordinance to vacate a portion of West 48th Street, Southwest and Raven Court, Southwest.

Director.

Mr.

Chairman, so this is an interesting one where instead of vacating an entire right-of-way, we're vacating a portion of the right-of-way.

There's an extra large swath of right-of-way that surrounds a resident's home.

Um, and it's at um West 48th Street and Ravine Court.

And the home, and there's a there's a map on your tablets.

Um the I the homeowner has approached us because they'd like to either build a second home or a garage on the remaining portion that's outside of what's normally considered right-of-way outside of the sidewalk and the tree lawn areas.

So by doing a partial vacation, this allows um the city to retain use of everything that's traditionally tree lawn sidewalks, uh, curb areas, and then the homeowner would then would have use of the remaining portions around around his property.

Got it.

Councilman McCormick is in support.

Yes, yes.

All right, thank you.

Any questions from the committee regarding ordinance number 976-2025?

All right, seeing no uh further questions, orders number 976-2025 stands approved.

All right.

Ordinance number 977-2025 by Council members McCormick, Bishop, and Harrison by Departmental Request and Emergency Res Ordinance to vacate all of relocated Lorraine Court a portion of West 48th Place and a portion of Turn Avenue Southwest.

Director.

It relates to the um campus of Urban Community School, which is located at 4701 Lorraine Avenue.

And prior to the construction of the school and the campus, there were various roadways that went through that campus.

And so we've worked um with them to provide um proper fire access to their school and their campus to allow these three portions of roadways to be vacated.

And it's uh Lorraine Court, which comes off of uh West 47th Street, a portion of Lorraine Court, um West 48th Place, and then Turn Avenue, which also comes off of West 47th Street.

Um and uh West 48th place connects those two portions together.

So we do have um this did um this is the actual ordinance to vacate it, it did go through Board of Revisions of Assessments, and uh we did make accommodations for um for division of fire.

Gotcha.

Can I see you in that?

Yes.

Not a part of the uh executive summary.

Uh my my apologies.

Can you make sure when you send these over that you uh if there's like maps or or drawings that you can make sure you see?

Absolutely.

Okay, I see the uh screen in case anybody wants to see it.

It's yeah, Chairman.

Yes.

So for the chair, the step.

Um generally speaking, yes, it's parking circulation.

And and so for the chair, the idea is by Bay 80, 48th Street, they can keep it parking, and the parking lot becomes access for fire trucks.

So they I believe that the um requirement by fire was to add um fire hydrants at certain locations.

Um in there is access for the trucks, but fire was concerned about where they're gonna access water from.

So my understanding is that they added fire hydrants.

Is that is that correct, Dick?

Do you have any additional insight?

Okay.

Yes.

So circulation, yes, and fire hydrants.

And it did take quite a while to get through that process, so um we're we're you know, pleased that we could assist.

Um my understanding is through the chairman of the councilman is that would it be on West 47th Street?

Oh yeah.

That that's my understanding.

Fire iron is distance from West 48th place vacation.

My through the chairman of the council, my understanding is that it was an opportunity to fire for fire to review and ensure that with this development here that they had a proper way to address um a fire if one should happen.

And so they use this process to get the proper fire hydrant locations.

The fire department is happy with the situation.

Yes.

Got it.

Thank you.

Councilman, any further question on ordinance number nine seven seven?

All right, seeing none stands approved.

Ordinance number nine seventy-eight.

Dash 2025 by Councilmember Star Bishop and Harrison Emergency Ordinance to vacate the remaining portion of Sherman Court.

Director.

Um Mr.

Chairman, this is um an ordinance um to vacate uh a portion of Sherman Court with the support of Councilman Starr.

This is um uh a paper street, meaning there's no uh there's no roadway remaining.

It it comes off of um to the east of um east seventy fifth street, just south of Quincy Avenue, and the request was by the property owners so that they could have more flexibility in redeveloping their uh property.

Better yeah, we didn't have that on that.

Yes, my apologies, council.

Okay, right here we're talking about that's hot.

Well, why would that like that little piece of street just cut into that that parcel like that?

Was it two different parcels at one point?

Well, it is two different parts last year.

Yeah, Mr.

Chairman.

Um hard to say it could have been a previous partial vacation that left a stump that's possible, or it could have been needed to get into a uh you know facility or something that was there.

It's it's hard to say.

Or we built out of it.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

And it and it's uh we we call them paper streets just because there's really no infrastructure there.

Okay.

Like that looks like something's already all right.

Uh any of the questions uh from the committee regarding ordinance number nine seven eight-2025.

Yes, sure.

All right.

There's nothing there.

Paper street.

Yeah.

Legacy city show.

I know I do know that I can't imagine how many of these other things that we paper streets we have just laying around the city.

And sometimes they're needed for future development, so it's good to have them when you're when they're needed, but um it's um gotcha.

Little alleys are hard to repurpose sooner for the questions what is number 978-2025 stands approved.

I think that's all for you directly thank you so much appreciate you us all.

Yep.

Thank you.

All right we're gonna start with orders number 808 dash 2025.

Come on up Deputy Chief and Safety Director Assistant and City Planning.

One up to party legislation Charlie I don't care what about legislation I gotta tell you when I saw this I said what is this?

It's a golf cart.

Like a golf card to roll around okay.

Alright who's kicking us off director thank you chairman um we are here today with city planning and public safety and also joined by two um local business leaders and I guess that are the inspiration and driving for some legislation to the chair's discretion and they wish to share some up in if the committee has uh questions.

Well that we'll we'll bring them up anyway.

Okay so I'll go with the brief overview session and then we'll read this.

So um this legislation uh authorizes the use of underscore vehicles otherwise known as small parts on city streets for the use of a legitimate business purpose so this is really focused on business models that add to mobility options for folks gathering around the city unfortunately it does not allow this like to drive his own crop card around as a mode of transportation.

The as I said the inspiration behind this was a couple of business owners who are really interested in utilizing law carts as part of their business models which they can share more about they approached the mayor's office and had been in conversation with police a little bit about a statute in the Iowa ISP that requires local governments to adopt local regulations related to wall card use to a model to operate on our streets.

So we have been working in partnership with public safety to put that legislation together that's what is it going to do and what we're here to discuss today.

And the goals of this are really to allow purpose to travel such as between districts um especially things that they're experiencing the city and also in tours or other things that we're wondering might not be the best way to get across but we'll see Marshall off or something like that.

So in putting this together we have looked extensively at the legislation that is passed and then also it permitted unless it's large administration of wall card inspection and licensing programs from smaller communities that have a lot of golf cards that they last adjust in May we are joined today by both Chris Taylor conceivers and hold of this and since we have been working on this legislation we've also heard from downtown clean appropriate that uses all cards for some of their downtown area until they were in for that we need a local ordinance or the state law that I refer to does require certain um certain aspects to be incorporated into our local law specifically limiting these under no higher than 35 miles per hour and a mandatory inspection by local law enforcement agency as well as the cells register and title in the state um this legislation is the director of public safety the authority to the additional rules and regulations to control the inspections the application and service areas that offers be operating and so what you see in front of you is is basically the mechanism for the authority to inspect to license the types of information that someone with two LSD and the Bureau of traffic turns to be their inspection so they need to have a driver's license for anyone cards approved ownership of the Dolph cards beh inspection being 150 per vehicle and a business certificate that's going to be the secretary of state these moving annual inspections with the radio traffic we're doing here by Sergeant Schaefer um who has been working with us very closely about the mechanics that are how to administer this there are also regulations including

So they need to have a driver's license for anyone operating development cards, approved ownership of the dog cards, those viewing pain inspection being 15 dollars per vehicle and present a business certificate that seemed to be with the high secretary of state.

These would be annual inspections with the radio traffic.

We're doing here by Sergeant Schaefer, um, who has been working with us very closely about the mechanics that are not to administer this.

Um there are also operation regulations included in the equipment that's representative parts as you see laws for next training signals, etc.

And the ordinance also establishes a mechanism for suspension to the pills process.

Should there be an issue with the operation of all price on the street where um public safety purpose the director of public safety needs to remote permission operating as well as an appeals process for business owners to appeal that they build is not here in the price?

That is a revel review that we're not in front of you, just have several amendments that we put in place during administrative review based on the conversations that automatically should just re-roll it.

We did that 808.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Thank you for uh the presentation.

Um director, uh any other comments uh from public safety, uh police department, Sarge, anything you want to add?

Uh not at this time, sure.

We've uh we've gone over this extensively.

Okay.

Just pull it close.

Uh sir, we've gone over this extensively and making sure that we've identified all the public safety pieces, licensing from the state of Ohio, what our inspection will entail, and how to identify those vehicles and track them.

So you know we know who we're looking for, uh the operators of those vehicles and who the businesses are that are uh requisite.

Okay.

All right.

Um just a few questions for me before I go to the committee.

Um you mentioned that there's a number of of safety equipment uh that the cart must have.

Uh is that included in the uh the ordinance itself?

Or is that some sort of attachment?

So the chairman has listed in the ordinance in section 15.00.

And it refers back to the requirements in the Ohio Revice Court or Story.

All right, so we just took the ORC's um requirements and added it to RPC.

Okay.

Is it anything that maybe Columbus or uh uh Putin Bay added that was not an ORC but that was in addition to the RC maybe that they added or they required No sir, nothing to that effect.

Um we did learn a lot in terms of the administration of the programs from them, and that was the main evaluation topic.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Sounds good.

Um the um what is our current golf car policy?

Do we have one?

No.

We do not have one.

Okay, I see the thumbs down and I see zero.

All right.

Well, clearly, because uh downtown Cleveland Lions couldn't even use their cleaning their cleaning vehicles to do the work.

Okay, all right.

Gotcha.

And the areas of operation, my understanding this is just for the downtown business district currently, correct?

Should the chairman the ordinance explicitly allow the director of public safety to determine authorized seats, sorry, authorized service areas.

At this point, we don't have any geographic restrictions in mind.

Um, but there is the authority to have it should have an issue.

And I'll when you hear from the businesses, especially um the term company has somehow city for circle and other things.

So activity is not um thought to be limited to downtown at this point or desired to be limited to downtown at this point, but there is authority to put some boundaries around service, should that need to be done from a public station perspective.

Okay, that's a little different than what I was told early on that it would be like a pilot basically kind of starting downtown in uh the the business district uh to see know see how it goes because the two companies already operate other types of transportation and and tours and etc.

You know, in the uh particular area.

Um so that is not the case anymore.

This this will give the blanket authority for public safety to say uh, hey, you know, yes, you can operate over here or over there, wherever you know uh entity may choose to operate.

Okay.

Um my only thoughts with that would be is that you know, where where does like many things, you know, downtown that's a little bit different, right?

Because you you know, you get you get arenas, you get uh concert venues, you got a lot of different things.

Some neighborhoods do have you know uh destination places as well.

And you know, just thinking about you know uh some of the areas around the city that that may or could utilize this uh service, you know, where where does uh the council member you know come into uh play with this?

You know, are they notified or are is there interaction with the council member?

Uh you know, maybe to look up and then you get uh golf carts all up and down uh a certain area and then the business.

I mean, it's just you know, or just now you got cars, you know you know if you go to put debate, you know how uh how um how you know it can be, right?

And to get some smaller areas that maybe have a strip of bars or restaurants together in the congestion and just the the things that can happen, you know, uh and we're gonna bring up our guests in a second, you know.

Um, you know the council member waking up, you know, the resident, you know, just look at you know pulling up one day, and it's just a uh uh uh uh uh you know theory of you know just stuff happening, right?

And that's and you know not know what's going on, and so there's we need to think through you know, kind of notification, council input involvement, uh, and whether these additional areas into my mind, I thought it was strictly for downtown at first, because any additional areas, you know, maybe have consent of the council member like we do when we do um uh uh permits for um you know um stuff like that, right?

You know, when we get when we get those type, or whether we do when we do um we do uh uh uh public right-of-way installations and stuff like that, you know, through uh do MOCAP.

So just my mind, I think we don't have to answer that now, but you know, the committee can you know that digest that in kind of we can come back to that, you know, through our uh discussion.

Okay.

All right.

Um that's all for me.

We go to the committee uh for questions.

Councilman.

Thank you.

Um, I was joking, you know, what's sometimes I feel like I have a car so I can drive kids one mile across the neighborhood.

I was like, maybe it just makes sense to have a golf cart, and it's popped up.

Um my question is about in the legislation section 401711 where it defines an under-speed vehicle, is pretty explicit that an under-speed vehicle does not exceed 20 miles an hour.

Um I believe that there's a differentiation between an under-speed vehicle and a low speed vehicle, which would be you know, if you're going 21 miles an hour, that's now a low-speed vehicle, which is I I'm not saying we should have golf carts flying down the street, you know, at 50 miles an hour, but you know, 25 miles an hour still feels kind of reasonable.

Is there any call out for that type of vehicle in this legislation?

What somewhat would we need further legislation to make those street legal in Cleveland or are they already street legal because ORC only requires local regulations for under speed vehicles?

This is agency specifically all basic on the under speed vehicle operations, or only focusing on the um chain label at the house for hour.

I don't know the answer, but if there's specific local uh legislation needed for the low-speed vehicle category, but we can certainly investigate that and go back to you.

This, however, does not case or address at all those speed vehicles.

Gotcha.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh council hash.

Uh yeah.

So um through the chair.

Uh speaking on the whole thing.

So there's a guy somewhere in Old Rogan who likes to zip around in his very fancy uh Ohio State Buckeye's golf cart, which is somewhat amusing and somewhat illegal.

You know that guy, yeah, yeah.

Actually, I personally know okay.

It it it it's cute.

Probably illegal.

Um through the chair, would this allow any residential use of golf carts by people that just happen to own them in the neighborhood?

To the councilman through the chair, no, it does not, it limits use to what the ordinance defines as a legitimate business purpose.

Yeah, that is checked in the application process by requiring a certain a business certificate if it's gonna be from the UI Secretary of State.

So councilman Slife got out of block.

Can I ask ask a question on that point?

Because I don't see through the chair in the legislation where it specifically calls out like a business license.

Is that part of the law or did I miss it, or is that part of the cost?

So this is one of the amendments that was added in during administrative review.

So if you have the section as an end is so it's first in section 40 point oh one for the purposes of this section, under speed vehicle rentals and private you should not be included as legitimate business purpose.

So it's first in section 450.01 for the purposes of this section, under speed vehicle rentals and private use shall not be included as a legitimate business purpose.

And then in the section 450.03 in the information that's required to be submitted as application for inspection.

There's the certificate that stands.

I have additional questions, but I'm not here to go.

Okay, we'll we'll get to this again.

Um so okay, I just want to clarify that this is not authorized residential use for people who own their volume of you know read these amendments as three of tablets, which is um next question is to the chair.

Uh would anyone be able to manipulate this legislation to legalize ATV use in the name.

Would anybody be able to adapt an ATV to be used using this ordinance?

I think they go over 20 miles an hour.

I don't know if that would be like the difference between a golf cart and an ATV being used.

Um but have we thought about that because it's a I know dirt bikes clearly aren't gonna fall into this, but ATVs are four-wheeled and could potentially have multiple seats and perhaps someone with more specific vehicle expertise than I can reply to that, but we do require brake like set lights to break by reviewing the channels.

Okay, okay, I would not be under different classifications.

Last question then um there any streets in Cleveland through the chair to whoever can answer uh that are over 35 dollars an hour.

I I think that like 35 is like even Chester is like 35, right?

I mean, so yeah.

To the councilman through the chair, uh that is correct.

This is a required element of the state dictates for local um local ordinances, so we included it as the statement's trust, and obviously um your state is not here.

But in terms of our local street network, 35 is pretty much the top speed.

Yeah.

Okay.

Those are all my questions, thank you, Chair.

Um I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and bring our two guests up to the table.

Uh come on up.

You can probably sit one here and one on the end.

That's where the chairs are open.

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna get them in.

Yeah.

Over here.

Over here.

Over here, over here.

Yep.

And the user mic, uh, you hit the green button, so we'll we'll we'll let you know when if we push you know, we you know if we got a question that we want you to answer, we'll we'll know.

No, no, you're good.

Uh councilman slide.

Sure.

So I'm not I'm not gonna belabor the point, and I don't see a pent-up demand for people using golf carts in Cleveland at this time.

Uh but I am curious uh if the administration could expound on the limitation to commercial uses only.

Uh I guess there are many places as as a casual bike rider, for example, there are many places in Cleveland where I'm legally able to ride my bike, but I wouldn't because I don't feel safe.

And uh we have gone through a number of efforts to uh encourage people to ride bikes, uh, which I would argue feels in many cases less safe than being in an actual vehicle, even if it's smaller.

Um, and there's also a physical limitation.

So I guess in a in a world where we're trying to encourage people to maybe use more environmentally friendly modes of transportation, I I guess I would have thought golf carts could have fit into that.

And uh so I'm just curious if the administration could speak as to why there would be a limitation against the Buckeye fan in old Brooklyn going down the street and his golf cart to pick up a gallon of milk from the store.

I'm sure it was no director to the councilman through the chair.

Uh philosophically, that very much is in line with our thinking as well as the desire to support local businesses in terms of why we have um put this together and are bringing this before you today with any new mode of transportation on the street, there's some um desire to learn before we really open it wide to a lot of uh including personal uses.

So as we were discussing, we felt that opening to business uses was a good first step to um getting a local policy on the books, setting up the process for vehicle inspections, etc.

You know, there's also a scale between business use and then opening up to personal use that uh requires some scaling up, and so um I don't know that there's any resistance to eventually opening it to personal use, but we did feel like it was very important to get experience with this type of vehicle on the street to work with police to understand what they're seeing in terms of use and administration of the ordinance before opening it to additional uses.

Okay.

I I will I will uh through the chair accept the answer and think that it is maybe something we would want to uh maybe maybe it's worth committing to look at it at some point down the road.

Uh maybe I'm the only silly person in Cleveland that thinks that it would be cool to take their kids to school on a golf cart.

So I'm happy to jump in one and right around the corner.

Um that's right.

Okay.

Uh councilwoman, any anything?

Any questions or concerns?

Okay.

All right.

Um in one of the amendments, one of the amendments, section two, under at new section 450.05, it talks about the director may create a restricted service area, implement any special event restrictions and may charge a fee for pickup and drop-off zones.

They're not determined by the border control.

Is this planning director or public safety director?

To the chair, every union ordinances, the authorities of the director public safety.

Everything is the director of public safety, okay.

All right.

Um the um where is it?

Where is it?

The um the uh appeal, the appeal in the appeals process.

Um can you point out where where the where it in the ordinance and what the appeals process is?

Yes, Chairman, that would be in section 45.08, which is number 14 in the amendment list.

And so that gives authority to the director to suspend or revoke then the department's consent to operate under speed vehicles in this chapter, especially if there's a hazard or risk to the health safety and longer of the public.

Um it requires the director to written notice of that suspension or revocation.

Um, and then the business owner may uh within five business days have received that notice, may require in front of the director of public safety to get his or her um rationale about why the the replication or suspension is um should be appealed and should be overcharged, and then the director will determine whether to be state consent to operate or new assignment.

Okay, and now if they don't agree with the director, you know, because just like now we have mini process where you can appeal um or the BZA or whether you know there's a process of planning commission, etc.

And if you don't agree there, then you can elevate it to uh the common police court.

Um so when it says the action of the director maybe appealed in in accordance with the provisions of this charter.

Um is the director's uh appeal the first action appeal and the first determination whether to to uh to stay the order or you know uh a difference.

Is that it?

Or is this saying that you can go to the next level?

Mr.

Shadner.

Thank you to the chair um firm correctly revised the code uh dictates that any uh action adversation by the city um in terms of an appeal can be appealed to the common police report they have personality.

So yes, it's not the final word if somebody wanted to go into work on the policing, but it doesn't have to be set out for it isn't typically set out that processing custom is that now the question of the line of the common police court versus the Cleveland Municipal Court.

Because that's the jurisdiction that the state has provided.

Um the court that hears these things.

Gotcha.

Uh well I would although that it may be a known, it may be known or known fact to some, it I don't believe that's a known to everyone, right?

And I get, you know, as you get through the process, maybe you know that maybe whoever you hire, if you if you have an attorney or not, who knows that, right?

Uh maybe is told to you by the director, maybe not.

Uh I think that needs to be added into at the in the sections and uh item C, uh, the news, the new section two.

Right.

In this new section two, 450 point oh eight.

That'd be added in to the the ending of um C item C to specifically state the court of common pleas, you know, um should they not agree they want to further appeal to the director's actions if they don't agree with it.

Is there any thoughts regarding that um addition?

That makes sense to me, French um assets perspective.

I know that excellent public.

Sure.

Um everything else I uh see that looks okay, except we gotta figure out this um this, you know, the director being able to restrict areas, you know, restricted map area and council the councils uh notification or engagement and involvement.

We won't get that figured out today.

Um but between now and and going to finance, you know, you'll go to safety safety and then go to finance, right?

Yes, you go to safety after here, and then you'll go to finance.

So you got two more stops.

So that gives us enough time to figure it out.

I'm gonna ask Mr.

Titron to work with us, or uh whatever council policy research staff that he's that he assigns to work with us to talk through Mr.

Titrand, uh councils, um council persons, notification and involvement, whether that's due some sort of uh approval process like we do if if it's outside of the our number one major business district, which is downtown, if it's inside the neighborhoods, like we do other uh sign off for permits and indoor uh obstructions and installations.

So we we'll talk through what that looks like.

All right.

I uh council has to be notified or be engaged in a in in a way so that way no one wakes up and look in and or folks are in these neighborhoods who live close to some of these areas around the city, just wake up and they see a street full of uh just uh a lot going on.

Good things, but just a lot going on, just that way everybody will know what's coming, what's happening in a particular area um, you know, throughout the city.

But I I think it's other than that, I think it's a good thing, you know.

Uh I was unsure when they when I would first was told about it, but I said, you know what, I think it works, right?

You know, I think about putting many things about Kelly's, I think all these other places where people go and they have these uh these these type of uh modes of transportation, you know, they're easy to fit in and out, you can get through, you you're not congested, right, with all these big body vehicles, right, that are uh traveling through our uh streets.

So uh I'd like to hear from the two gentlemen who's here uh who sparked this whole uh uh situation here.

All right.

I don't know whoever wants to start first.

Just hit your button, Green.

Um just introduce yourself and your in your company.

Yes, my name is Chris Taylor.

I was in the call for our concierge.

Um I met Cal about two years ago.

I approached the city.

So some context here, and the reason why we did this is uh my wife is disabled veteran, and we have issues like tailgating and then walking all the way to the stadium, right?

There's no clean way to get there in a vehicle today.

It does not offer anything like that, other than getting a new room going down to 50 fifth, coming up over marginal.

If you're already tailgate, there's no way to get there.

So that's where the release is working.

Cleveland is great.

There's a lot of entertainment districts, there's a lot going on in the building up, but there's really no easy way to get from district to district.

Other than taking a new group's not coming downtown for three or four dollars.

You know, so that's kind of where we're filling the gap.

That's a lot of the limited mobility media.

We've talked about this a month.

Um, you know, we're filling that gap there.

So it's it's something that we're very passionate about in my company, and we're glad to be here today.

I I don't know how much I can offer or that's kind of where this came from from my perspective.

I don't speak for Bob, but for my company's perspective, that's where we really came from.

Yeah, thank you.

But yeah, my money was uh uh leisure tours clearly.

It's uh kind of an offshoot of my I've been giving tours since 2011 with Bob's bicycle tours.

So I've been doing the touring business since that time.

And this is just an extension of recent retired at people getting older, didn't have so much money as the bicycles, but we're using the uh golf cars to get around.

So I start my tours entry my go through that city, then mature means spent downtown, and then finish up in Ohio City.

So uh also I've been working on this a little over a year and a half.

So I mean uh that be able to use I understand all your props with what could happen in the future if you don't want to be overrun with golf cards, you know, in our intent and myself and Chris, Chris's and you know, majority time get people from point A to point B, and then I do a lot of mostly tours.

In our intent, and myself and Chris, Chris is you know, majority time get people from point A to point B, and I do a lot mostly tours, uh, but we'll compliment each other well, and we just think it's a good thing for the city to help get people around you know on a timely basis without uh breaking the paint.

Yeah, thanks, Bob.

Um thank you both um I just want to touch on the neighborhood thing real quick.

Um I do we we we would like to do rides out in the neighborhoods, so I understand that if we could you know help with that in any way we really would like to.

Um we have folks in Work Squares that have contacted us already that like rises to theater districts and things like that.

So I just want to throw that out there for future future conversations.

I don't appreciate that.

Absolutely, you know.

I don't you know think any of us are against that, you know.

Uh we want to encourage that and support that 100%, you know.

Um right, it's like you kind of you've been out, maybe walking the neighborhood all day, you're like, do I really want to truck all the way down uh Detroit to go over the bridge?

I don't want to really take an Uber because it's that is close.

Yeah, I'm not you know we don't search for you know the bus is taking forever, right?

You know, I I want to just hop in and get there.

So no, we get 100%.

We just you know to have you know some uh clarity on how things will go because it's different when you get into the small pockets of the neighborhoods, you know.

Absolutely, you know, as uh yes, yes, yes.

All right, well well, listen, uh all of the um amendments, yes.

Go project we did have one additional amendment request after we after we made you very well.

Um this is uh from downtown Cleveland interpreted author, I think the director of play safety said potentially made the inspection fee, the vehicle is used for another not for a profit purpose.

So should council initially consider that if the vehicles used for not for profit purpose, um so so what happens if you get a company and a nonprofit who wants to operate this, you know, facility that uh DC is a little bit different because they're not they're like they're cleaning their working, right?

You you can get a nonprofit who wants to start a business, right, to generate, you know, uh to work in neighborhoods as well, right?

Um and so uh, you know, we we should probably you know talk about uh that councilman who are friends at uh DCI.

I think that the safety and I mean oh I was kind of shocked when I moved to Virginia years ago and they require safety inspections on all vehicles.

We don't do that in Ohio, but the need for these vehicles to be safe if they're gonna be interacting with cars going at and often above 35 miles an hour, I think is pretty important.

So I'm I'm a little reluctant to uh call it.

I uh I I I can assume what the purpose of it is, uh, but is it beneficial to the workers and individuals actually using the vehicles to potentially waive that inspection?

Councilman to clarify through the chair the request is to only make the fee through the inspection and not the inspection.

Okay, thank you.

Sorry.

All right, so we're just asking so uh being able to waive the fee, not the inspection itself.

Okay.

Um other thoughts from the committee about waving the fee?

Question Councilwoman.

If this okay, through the chair, just a question.

Um what so who actually will be administrating this?

Like the inspection portion uh general counsel, that's the Bureau of Traffic.

Um we have myself, we have commercial vehicle inspection officers that are certified to check these things safety-wise.

Um we will be conducting and scheduling these inspections through the uh the position police bureau treasure.

And through the chair um to uh Sergeant Schaeffer.

What do you anticipate the additional kind of workload will be based on these annual inspections?

Um chair to the councilwoman.

I don't I think just scheduling, we had spoke previously about having a certain span of time yearly that they would need to schedule these inspections, obviously a new application or a new business we would have to make an accommodation for, but on a yearly basis, having a set time frame.

Um we had mentioned earlier they have the food truck rallies every year that they get everybody inspected within a week or a couple days, so having something similar to that uh annually.

And through the the chair to the sergeant, how many people do these inspections?

Like what is your team compressed?

A lot of people need approximately five.

So it's five people, five people.

I mean, it couldn't be it really only needs to be one person, so we would schedule that either at our office or somewhere centrally located.

Okay.

Oh, because the reason I was asking that in relation to a fee of just understanding how we are working to ensure that we have the capacity and the uh necessary resources to actually effectively do this.

Um not overstretching uh capacity that's already questionable at times.

I'm just saying it just our capacity is stretched.

Okay, thank you.

Uh good councilwoman.

All right, thank you.

All right.

Um we have this uh laundry list of uh amendments here.

All council members has this on their tablets.

I'm not going to read all each of these items.

Many of them are we've already discussed it, talks about the uh suspension, revocation, the permission to operate the appeal process, um, you know, what constitutes uh a personal use versus a business use and the requirements uh etc.

Anything that comes up between now and finance uh uh with the support of uh policy research, you know, we will make sure we get that to you all in addition to working to make sure we have a way for council members to be engaged in the process to know kind of where the the extensions are happening, really in the neighborhoods.

Um then no one is caught off guard, you know what influx of uh of uh uh uh more vehicles and and and and carts.

All right, uh just for in really more so for safety purposes and for um for kind of you know notice, you know, to uh the people who live in the neighborhood, all right.

Well, um, for the questions, uh ordinance number 808 uh dash 2025 as amended stands approved, all right?

And we'll work with you all between now and then to uh make any additional changes.

All right, thank you all.

All right, can you talk to you?

But only hang on one second.

Sorry, so you're gonna pay off permit.

Okay, I'll catch you then.

All right, ordinance number 984-2025 by council members Harrison and Griffin by departmental request emergency ordinance to amend sections 173 65 of the codified orders of Cleveland, Ohio 1976 as amended by orders number 770-2021 passed September 20th, 2021, relating to the city planning commission.

Director?

Thank you.

So there's this case uh authorizes unless we were to alter this planning commission set the compensation rate that we pay just when they come to landing commission as a substitute.

Um the charter has allowed a previous competition recently said that he led the charge to get the charter updated to allow this many years ago.

But until now we have not seen council to set that compensation rate to allow us.

So that is what we are here to do.

They actually council approve this uh compensation to those for these office and bring it back to the amendments that they need to be in permission.

Gotcha.

Councilman Slide, why why can't we pay you to be on the planning commission too?

Well, what was the question?

Uh we we exempt you from uh receiving additional pay from being on planning commission and spending your Friday mornings uh for hours uh you know doing this work.

Uh I know in the state house and other places when you own committee assignments, you get a boost.

Yeah, well, it's specifically well is leadership.

So it's vice chairs, chairs, uh ranking members, stuff like that.

There's a there's other bodies that receive additional compensation, including uh when you serve as the leader of this body, right?

I'm just I'm just I'm just wondering.

We should look at that in November, December.

Yes.

How about that?

So I'm curious.

Is there a reason that we told you uh we could we can talk about offline?

I'll just one um I have uh I do not receive any additional compensation for being on the planning commission.

I'm happy to serve on behalf of the body.

Uh quite frankly, uh it's one of those things that it's just was explained that's how it is, so that I haven't put much thought to it.

Um I will say that prior to being on city council, I actually was an alternate for the planning commission, and at that time I did do a number of meetings and it didn't receive compensation for that.

So I can also attest to the fact that the alternates are not paid.

Um we do not have any alternates at this point, and we have the authority through appointments to put some on.

But if they were asked to come forward, they'd be doing it voluntarily and while other members were being compensated for the time.

So I I see the value in this.

Yes, Councilwoman.

How did you all come up with the $187 per diem?

So the council goes for the chair.

This is the uh alternate unit amount that's already in place with the board with building standards, and so we can verify those committee members full-time recade advice already that has been passed by council's and just use that same year.

Okay, so this is to hit the director.

Yeah, I'm gonna I am I don't know who this request needs to go to, but I am going to put a request that for all of our um boards and commissions, because city planning in particularly, I absolutely need think that we need to look at the compensation of board members when you look at the amount of time that they are spending compared to other boards.

This is not an equal thing.

We need to look at creating a structure that is equitable.

Uh and this is it, and that will probably require some members who will get board members will get a little bit more, and some uh board members will get uh less, but uh I think there's it's far beyond time.

Um and that's why I'm I'm just driven like oh, we just drived at be from this per diem rate, if I understand you correctly, it came from the alternative rate set from the board of standards.

Is that what you're saying?

Yes, to the council to the council and chair, and then board members of the board of building standards and both and commission members of the city planning commission, the full-time members have the same compensation rate set in the legislation currently.

Board of building standards also has compensation or ultimates already established, so you can the full-time board number compensation.

We also are recommending adoption of the alternate number of compensation.

Again, through the chair to the director, so when was that set?

The alternate rate for the board of standard and zoning appeals.

When did that rate come into fruition?

To the council chair, I am sure that you find out that's really important.

Um to know as we again, this is very uh typical at the city of Cleveland.

We use with something else done, but I'm just really understanding like where did it come from?

At what point, what time frame, how, why, just why?

So the council went through the chair, I do know in section 173 as we'll see here um a and then you see the compensation in 2022.

So I wasn't here at that time, I don't know the details at that time, but there was some adjustment deliberation that happens in 2021 that you say to dig into the necessary details and thank you, uh Councilwoman.

Uh thank you, Director.

Um Yeah, we got some stuff we need to discuss.

That's what we're saying.

Uh next couple months.

Yeah.

Um seeing no questions or objections, uh, ordinance number 984-2025 stands approved.

All right, that's it for us.

Thank you.

Committee chair.