Okay, ordinance eight twenty dash twenty twenty-five as amended by council members Griffin by departmental request and emergency orders offered the director of finance to employ one or more professional consultants to study, assess, market, and self corporate sponsorships for city facilities and assets.

It's been approved by Director of Finance Bureau.

There's no legal objection by the law department.

Excuse me, and director.

Tell us what this is about.

So it was great that we had a lot of interest in this.

If the entire proposal is accepted by our legislative body, the first phase would be an assessment of our facilities and the viability of them to receive corporate sponsorships.

And if we uh proceed with uh that phase, uh we would go on to phase two if the city is interested and if we have enough viable properties to receive corporate sponsorship.

Um that second phase would be an 18-month phase where we would pay the vendor to go out and seek uh corporate sponsorships, they would receive uh portion of the revenue as compensation, and the city would receive the majority of that compensation.

Um this item was reviewed by the municipal uh services and properties committee, um, and it was passed, and we are here today to seek approval from the safety committee.

Uh and I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

So thank you, thank you, Director.

And director, identify yourself for the viewing public again.

I apologize.

Uh, my name is Alex Nichols, and I'm the Parks and Recreation Director for the City of Cleveland.

Thank you.

So to the again to the viewing public, you want to you want us to authorize $35,000, correct?

To the chair, yes, that is correct.

And then you want to retain at some point um a consultant or I guess that's the best way to describe it, a consultant who then would go out and try to identify uh potential sponsors for city facilities.

Is that in a nutshell?

To the chair, yes, that is correct.

Okay.

So what happens, let's say um Lani Burton Rex Center.

There's a name on it already.

What do you do with something like that?

So to the chair, um, we certainly respect and recognize that we have named uh many of our facilities after um folks who uh been very uh influential in our community.

Right.

Uh the goal of this project is not to change the name of any of those facilities.

Um I guess I would imagine it being similar to the way Playhouse Square does it, where the name is retained and it could be um I don't know, uh progressive sponsoring Lonnie Burton recreation center.

So the names would be retained.

So then we would actually put advertising on the building, how would that work?

Let's say again, let's say it's uh progressive insurance and they want to sponsor a rec center, they would put their name on the building.

How would they or to the chair?

So uh yes, I'm gonna pass this to Chief Two.

Thank you, Bonnie T1 to you operating officer.

Um I think that's part of the negotiations.

Um it would be similar to any naming rights that we have on any buildings, but that would be part of the negotiation if they want signing, what type of signing, how big the signing would be.

Okay.

So outside of the Cleveland Brown Stadium, which um the Browns control.

Um are there any other buildings that are controlled by an outside entity?

Complexes to the chair, depending on how you describe uh city buildings, um, the facilities at Gateway, okay, which we have uh oversight of those obviously have naming rights.

We have no control over that.

That's correct.

Okay.

Um and it's if it's um those naming rights and the the um uh funding that are associated with those naming rights are usually written specifically in the contract who has responsibilities for those to pursue and to um harvest the the funding.

Uh the same would be for the convention center as well.

Right, okay.

Okay.

Um any other thoughts, director chief before I open up for questions.

To the chair, I think um it is important that um to know that this ties into the master plan and the master plan does recognize that parks and recreation facilities and services have been underfunded, and this is an opportunity for the city to get funding that would not come out of uh the general fund.

So I think it would be a great benefit to our department.

Thank you.

Okay.

Is there anybody here from the law department who's looking?

Yes.

Within the embodiment of the legislation, unless I'm overlooking it.

Um is there anything in here that says that once the administration was to come up with a sponsor for a city building, uh that they it would have to have a concurrence of city council?

Well, um case is not the issue question.

Yes, oh I didn't have the first the amendment.

Oh, let me see.

Okay.

Thank you.

There's no legal objection.

Um if amended is following section one at the end, insert any selling of corporate sponsorships or naming or renaming of a city owned properties or facilities must obtain lease of legislative approval prior to such sale or naming or renaming.

So you answered my question.

Thank you, Councilman.

Okay.

Questions of the committee.

Councilman Casey had a question.

I just wanted to make sure that's right.

Thank you.

Any any name change or sponsorship or anything that comes before the body for legislative.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um anyone anyone else?

I suppose uh councilman slide the house first.

Councilwoman House Jones uh uh to the chair to the team here.

I guess um have we just evaluated all of our names?

I know people talk about uh the names of current buildings.

Um I would just say that I I don't know what that process needs to look like, um, but I am offering that we actually do need to do an evaluation of the names of the various buildings uh that the cleave the that the city of Cleveland actually has even from things of presidents and things of that nature.

Uh some individuals have some um potentially questionable uh behavior that needs to be evaluated in 2025 and beyond.

So um how would we go about actually going through a form of process to evaluate the naming um of buildings uh that the city of Cleveland actually owns?

Uh through the chair to the council member, um I do appreciate that comment and question.

Um I have had some recent conversations regarding how we name facilities.

Do we have naming process?

Um I think it's something we do need to assess and evaluate and come up with some standards, and I appreciate your comment around assessing the names of some of our current facilities uh based upon who they are currently named after and any backgrounds they may have.

Okay, so through the chair to the director, so the idea is you all will come up with some processes for assessing the current names and or coming up with processes of how any future buildings will be named.

So I just wanted to get a clarification.

Yeah, through the chair to the councilwoman, um appreciate appreciate that comment.

Um we do not have a process um at this point, but we'd be happy to work with you in partnership as far as um what those requirements should be.

Um we we obviously have a list of our facilities and the names of those facilities.

We can review that with you and um work with you on um you know what that process should be as far as moving forward and you know reviewing what we have and also moving forward with naming.

So yes, I would offer this as a suggestion um to get an understanding of how as best we can uh the current naming of building how they have come about, right?

And as we are building in a criteries of of sorts, uh then again coming through a process uh working.

Thank you, coach Councilman Slife.

Councilman Slife.

Well it I guess the short answer is yeah, short answer is yeah, you put the recommendations through the cat through the committees.

Um but we are looking at um all of our assets which include all of our safety facilities and the potential for some of some of those being named.

So I'm assuming that's why it's going through the safety committee.

Okay.

Uh just and so for for my colleagues and through the chair, I think I have some uh uh I think that there's times when selling naming rights is understandable and there's other times where it's sort of akin to being blasphemous, so I'm I'm very supportive of the amendment and I wanna as as you all explore the opportunities.

I I don't want to be going too far and kind of taking this to its most ridiculous conclusion, uh, which is getting corporate sponsorship for every silly little thing in the city.

Okay.

Thank you, Council.

Any other questions of the committee members?

Any other questions?

Um the tr uh the three hundred and five thousand dollars.

Um was that in the wait, where's the dollar model here?

Yes.

Was that um I don't recall, and again, I don't have my budget book.

That wasn't in the budget for recreation.

Uh oh, it's through finance.

I believe so.

Yes.

So um that the funding was specifically through finance.

So okay, so explain this to me.

So the uh the finance is this an airline item, they have a line item for this.

It would be under contractual services.

Contractual services.

So when we get the new budget, we're gonna see that in there.

It would have been in the this year's budget.

In this year's budget.

Correct.

Okay, I'm gonna have to ask staff to point that out.

So it was a part uh because I don't think that was explained to us at the time.

I know it wasn't explained to us at the time, but that was a part of the and I don't know if this has helpful, but the funding code is 01452.

Okay, we'll have we'll have uh staff take a look at that.

Okay, are there any other questions from the committee members on ordinance 820-25 as amended?

No other further questions without objection.

Again, ordinance eight twenty-twenty-five uh as amended is approved.

Please sign it up.

Here it is.

Okay.

Oh, yes, hold on.

Very close.

Okay.

Thank you.

You're welcome, Chief.

Okay, sign it up here.

Safety, where are we safety committee?

Okay.

Okay.

Umrdance number 808-2025, as amended by Councilmembers Harrison, Polency and Griffin by Department of Quest.

An emergency ordinance to supplement the codified ordinance of Ohio 1976 by enacting new section 401.71 relating to the definition of underspeed vehicles to enact new sections 450.01 to 450.

And 450.99 relating to underspeed vehicles.

First time reading was July 9th, 2025.

Um let me see we got here approved subject to stated amendment, the city planning commission, and this is as amended again.

Um approved.

Let me see.

Content slowed.

Well, I'm not I'm not uh I'm gonna ask the clerk because I've got contents noted is crossed out.

Uh Director Drummond's name is crossed out, but then under it it says approved, so I'm not even clear what this is on here.

And then director of finance approved.

Um what what do we have here?

Not clear.

It was sent to finance safety first, and then but then it came back.

Okay, then it came back.

Okay.

Then it came back to the Department of Public Safety, then it was ultimately approved on 917 uh by the director of uh public safety.

Okay, here's the employee amendments.

Um at DPS we didn't read it for what it's worth at that point.

What should have they should just table that legislation for the whole slide?

Um as you can see, these are the amendments.

That's a light piece of amendment.

Now, why wouldn't you just okay?

Let me back up a second.

So I read the piece uh to the director of city planning, to the director of public safety, to the chief of police, to the command staff, and whoever else is here.

Why wouldn't you just have come in with a different new piece of legislation that we can make hit or tails out of it?

Good morning, Chair Callie Mersman, director of city planning.

We did discuss with law which avenue would be preferable and decide to go forward with what had already been introduced.

We do have some local businesses that are eager to get operating under this ordinance if council should approve it, and so came with the amendments.

Well, I'm gonna um I'm gonna make a um I'm gonna ask my colleagues for their thoughts before I proceed because you know we always try to accommodate um and work with the administration.

That's always been my position from day one here, and a majority of my colleagues are in the same mindset, but there comes a point where um okay, my colleagues.

Um again, you've seen the amendments.

What are your thoughts?

Should we hold the piece and ask them to come in with a substitute substitute on I'm looking for your thoughts?

I'm gonna start to my left.

I'm gonna ask for your councilman Casey.

Uh uh, Mr.

Chairman, how much different are the amendments from the original piece of legislation?

Whoever can answer.

To the councilman through the chair, the amendments really reflect the operatation of the piece.

So it in administrative review, we did quite a lot of coordination with the Department of Public Safety on application requirements, and then also added a suspension and appeal process, which is at the end.

Okay.

I I would recommend that you hold it and make that and come back with as as a legitimate real piece of legislation and not an amended piece that's as long as the original piece of legislators.

Yeah, that would be my that's my recommendation.

Councilman Stark.

I'll second that.

Um Chair Burns.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Councilman Kelly.

Uh I'll second it as well.

Thank you.

Okay.

To my right, Councilman Slife.

Uh it's uh procedurally, I think that's would be bad.

I don't know what the delay is.

It did pass through DPS yesterday.

I'm not gonna uh die on the hill for it, though.

Yeah, councilwoman House Jones.

I had a whole conversation about this yesterday, so I am fully aware of all of that because we had it yesterday.

So you think the I mean again I'm not sure what happened again through the chair to the team.

Why haven't y'all updated her from yesterday to today?

To the council woman through the chair, it has been updated.

Where is the journey?

We have it like that, yeah.

Yesterday, I'm sorry.

I'm saying why does it look like that?

The the issue that people haven't versus that is that's the format of all of the amendments from initial introduction.

I know, but it was it was we adopted it yesterday, correct?

In this pass from DPHS today?

This is the same format that it was in yesterday.

I know, but okay.

So what's the issue right here right now, then chair do you want to?

Yeah, go ahead.

I believe the chair would suggest that we reintroduce with all of the amendments incorporated rather than passing as amended as we discussed with the amendments at DPS yesterday.

So I did this yesterday, so whatever the did whatever the purview advice.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We're gonna we're gonna hold the piece.

You're gonna uh come in with a subsidy piece.

We will hear it at the next meeting.

Um because we don't want to hold up um anything that's a positive um addition to our city and especially our downtown uh visitors and and we want to support local business, but um I want to say this again to the administration.

Don't come to us with pieces like this.

It just doesn't work, okay.

Thank you for coming.

Thank you.

And we're to link to this vote.

Sir, wait, they're not and identify yourself, sir.

My name is Chris Taylor, I'm one of the business owners that is trying to start.

Okay, and we're we're here to be accommodating, as I've told some of my other colleagues who contacted me on this.

But you just saw me hold up amendments, and we have to we have the the body, the body, this legislative body, we have to understand what we're voting on.

And when we come to us with a bunch of amendment amendments like this, it's kind of confusing for us to understand what we're doing.

We want to do the right thing, we want to do the right thing by the administration and by business people downtown.

So we will have uh the way that our standards are.

If there's public comment, then we actually need to have run um through public comment.

There are many constituents that come here that want to voice, we do not have uh back and forth.

So if we do have a point for public comment, then that needs to be actually done.

Valid point, valid point.

Thank you.

If uh if you want to just come to the table and briefly, you've got identify yourself for the viewing public business ownership to screen.

Yes, um, just search just little context here.

We're gonna read it in 27 months or 27 months, and we've already marked it like we both already marketed, we've already sent money, we've already got a lot.

They signed the same passing, and hopefully, passive.

I heard I understand it's a paperwork issue, a format issue.

That just seems really course really well.

I guess I maybe don't understand the context of 27 months.

We've we've kind of gone through this and down with words for medicine, we kind of go through this, and now we're gonna vote with it.

This is probably a two week delay for what is really a format issue.

Sir, let me say this to you.

That issue is not with this body.

What who you work with 27 months on is beyond me.

But if you if I have connected, have a piece of legislature.

Yeah, yeah.

It was introduced July 9th.

I understand that.

So I will tell you we do this body does not hold legislation for the sake of holding it.

What happened?

Who was negotiating on this?

I have no idea.

Councilman Harsh specifically contacted me, and I said we'll do everything we can to move it.

But but there has to be there has to be a basic and respect for the body.

I understand that, sir, but from your perspective, you just saw this five minutes.

Yeah, respectfully, Chair, yes, as you have when there have been other public commenters here, it is not a standard for the back and forth.

And so, as the chair, I am asking you to enforce the council rules when there are other people.

Yes.

You have to go through the chair.

Go ahead.

I totally get it.

The city council on the body just saw this from a perspective of sitting outside this building, sitting outside his office.

Again, it's been 27 months.

Like for my perspective, I said you might work with when you're go ahead.

No, and continue.

That's that's really where we're at.

But to figure this one, and then waiting for two years on this just really rough at this point in the process.

And thank you.

Thank you for your comment, Councilman Starry.

Sometimes things don't go the way we want, Council as well.

Sometimes you may be negotiating 27 months with the administration.

That's fine and dandy.

But through the ordinances and through the codified charter, council has a role to play on anything that we pass legislation.

The administration does not um control legislation or do anything from that.

Once stuff is introduced, like we just heard through the chair, I believe it was introduced in July, right, Chair?

Yes.

So it was introduced to July 9th.

Now we're here in September.

That is standard process, and I'm sure it went through DPS, and it possibly had another committee or just DPS and safety chair.

Yeah, let me see.

Hold on, let me look on the back here.

It went through the um DPS, it went through there on uh September 17th.

Yeah, so you got to introduce in July.

The next you know, we were actually on summer recess, so we didn't have committee.

We have um the first DPS meeting that you had, it was heard in DPS, it was passed out of DPS, then it has to go through safety committee, and then it has to go to uh potentially financial committee.

But if you look at that long sheet of paper of all those amendments, and you want us to read it into record, not you, chair, to the chair to the gentleman, the administration.

But if you look at that long sheet of paper of all those amendments, and you want us to read it into record, not you, chair, to the chair to the gentleman, the administration, if they put those in place and gave it to us in document, you want to have questions.

Because at the end of the day, if we pass anything at this table and it come back to hurt the residents, or it doesn't work well, it's gonna be council members' name in the paper on why did you vote on this?

So to make sure we dot our eyes and cross our T to the chair, it's only right that we have everything in a great format that we can be able to make informed decisions.

And I know sometimes the process is tough, but what I would like to ensure you to know that if something was introduced in July during a recess, one meeting we had that month, and then one meeting in August, and it came back to committee, and now you got it here at a chance for the table, two more weeks is not that more time frame.

Now I understand the backstory of what you were doing with the administration, but it was not the council.

So we only could do it through the chair to the chair.

Excuse me, through the chair, through the chair.

From a taxpayer perspective, I understand what you mean, city all the city all, but from an educational standpoint, for you and the viewing public, there's an executive branch and a legislative branch.

It's stuff that been introduced when I got on council in 2022 that still haven't been heard yet because of the different issues that members have.

So it's it's one of those tough processes, and I've just wanna say thank you, Chair, um, and thank you, my colleagues, for bringing this point up to make sure we're doing our partners' role work as well.

And I think we can find a pathway to success um to the chair and the work that he's doing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

So thank uh to the administration and to the law department.

Uh get this straight.

We'll hear it as soon as possible.

In fact, if the if it's up to the call of the council president, if he wishes to relieve it, that's his call as well of the committee.

But again, we want to do what is right.

We want to understand what we're passing.

So without objection, ordinance number 808-2025 is gonna be held until you guys clean this up.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay.

Ordinance number 90 950-2025 by Council members Palencick and Griffin by Department of Request an emergency ordinance authorized the director of public safety to apply for and accept the grant from the Ohio Department of Public Safety for the fiscal year 2026 impaired driving enforcement program and selective traffic enforcement program.

It was read for the first time August 13th, 2025.

It was approved by the director of public safety.

It's been approved by director of finance.

There's no legal objections by the law department.

Director, chief, or whoever else wants to comment.

Thank you.

Um this legislation would authorized the work of the public city to apply for except for annual amount of 46,000, 54,000 ten cents from the public department policy for fiscal year 2016.

That's the likely traffic enforcement program.

This brand does not have a cash mass requirement purpose of the grant.

Provide funding for over the argument.

You see the receiver in the person from control officer overtime conducting enforcement.

The grant term for 6,000.

$54,000.

And the money will be reversed as follows or personnel 46,000.

I'm sorry, 40,000.

647 control loss over time.

Education, which is 100%.

Transportation, which is 1,689,000 32 cents.

That's a few of 446,000, 54,000.

And we receive this grant and since 2000.

Uh we heard for the questions.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Director.

Chief, do you have any comment?

No, sir.

Thank you.

Okay.

Here's my um my question, and I want to express my growing concerns.

At virtually every meeting I attend to in my neighborhood, the number one issue that's being confronted, I'm being confronted with the public safety is speeding in in our neighborhoods.

Speeding through our commercial districts, through school zones, people not stopping at traffic signals going through stop signs.

Just a general disregard for the traffic laws in the city of Cleveland.

I see it myself.

In fact, I've told my kids when the light changes do not automatically go through the light because I see folks just blowing through this through the traffic signals in my community, and I've seen it downtown.

I saw it on 9th Street the other day.

I mean, I was like this guy went right through the lights on 9th Street.

Um so we collectively support this, but when I need to understand what is the game plan for traffic enforcement in the city.

Can someone explain to me?

Because that's the I'm hearing it, I'm hearing, but I'm not seeing it.

Um to the chair, as you know, um, not only do we have our traffic enforcement unit, um, our district traffic cars, uh, but we also partner with the Ohio State Highway Patrol for traffic enforcement details.

Um, those details are very successful.

Um I don't know if uh you know the the underlying conditions still exist, you know, with the disobedience and the traffic laws, uh, but I can tell you that we are still committed to addressing complaints from the community council members regarding the uh traffic hotspot areas.

So should complain to go to the district commanders or you want them to go into the traffic commissioner tell us?

Um so they can go to the district commanders and the district command commanders partner with the traffic commissioner on these details.

Okay, and they identify those locations.

Okay, you mentioned about the Ohio Highway Patrol, and as the director knows of my discussions with him because we meet weekly.

Um I've constantly raised the issue about getting OHP in here on a regular basis.

Um we have any schedule, do we have anything that can uh put members uh at ease or at rest at rest as it pertains to when they're gonna be up here enforced?

I mean, that's I saw what took place in the 4th district that two week period there in the 4th district, and I was absolutely astonished.

The number of uh arrests they made, contraband, outstanding warrants, drugs, guns.

Uh I was like holy Jamoldy here.

Um several former chiefs have told me that policing starts with traffic enforcement.

When you do traffic enforcement, that sets the tone across the board.

Um, and most of the suburbs put a great emphasis on traffic enforcement.

In fact, uh when I saw the two Cleveland Browns players that were arrested for driving their uh exotic sports cars extremely fast in a in a suburb, a western suburb.

The message was as I heard from that chief, the message is don't speed in Strongsville.

That was the message he sent.

Do not speed through our city.

And so somehow we've got to get that same uh mindset, that same message across in our city because I don't see it in my own neighborhood.

Um I have to have assurances that you're hearing what the council, the council concern because this speeding, I'm telling you, I've never experienced stuff like this before in my time here.

I don't even know why you have red lights, traffic signals anymore, or stop site.

Boom, boom, boom.

Even through our our school zones, they don't pay attention to the school zone.

I got kids, little kids crossing.

Boom, they're blown through the school zones.

So you're telling us council members need to uh notify the district commander, and we know to and also the traffic commissioner.

Um to dawn, um, is there any way we can secure and identify yourself again for the viewing public?

Sure, to the chair my name is Don't Hartson and Ran's 40 and obviously is there any way we can secure more money from whoever out of state for traffic enforcement?

Well, um, to the chair, this one is specifically for traffic bullets or tie five specific days like um St.

Patrick's Day S funding, uh 4th of July, New Year's Eve, uh prom and things like that.

Um general traffic enforcement money.

I am not seeing it right now if we use general traffic enforcement.

That's not the key opening.

That's not the key by I can find it.

So you're you're telling us waiting.

You we can only use these for special events.

So the chair is this is for aids that are specified by the state of Ohio where there are high incidences of accidents.

So like I said, 4th of July, New Year's Eve, St.

Patrick's Day.

So those those are the three.

Are there is there more than that?

Yeah, there are more than that.

Okay, if you could provide that to us, I'd be interested in seeing what those days are.

I'm sure my colleagues would as well.

Because today, I mean, uh I'm with my residents or the opinion.

Every day's a special event.

They want that traffic, they want traffic enforcement in the neighborhoods.

So okay, I'm gonna stop there.

Chief, you have any comment, your team have any comment on this?

Uh yes, to the chair, just one other comment.

Uh you were asking about the details.

Um the details, we have several throughout the month in partnership with uh how state highway patrol.

We actually have one scheduled for next week with them.

Good.

Um, these are outside of our regular uh details that we have internally.

Good.

Get them in the fifth district, let me tell you.

Get them in a fish.

You want to make some money, get them in a fifth district.

Um, because it's insane what I see happening in our streets on the northeast side of the city.

Okay, members of the committee, questions?

Councilman Slife and Council.

I I just feel compelled to remind us all.

Uh it's very on two things that are unfortunate.

One is that there's a charter prohibition against traffic cameras, and I'm of the opinion that if that were brought back to the voters at this stage, that uh they would uh I would not be surprised if that were repealed given what we've seen of people speeding and blowing red lights through the city, especially since COVID-19.

I also feel compelled to add that there are individuals at the Ohio State House who, regardless of whether or not there's a local prohibition, have really hamstrung local communities in their ability to use automated enforcement, and frankly, one of those individuals is a state senator that represents a portion of my neighborhood, Tom Patton.

So I think we need to have a conversation about what we need to allow for in our local laws, but I also think it's very unfortunate that we have individuals who would go so far as to tell me they don't feel safe in the city of Cleveland, encouraging the lack of safety in the city of Cleveland.

Yeah.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Councilman Casey.

Can you just do us a favor?

Can you provide us with the number of UTT tickets that have been issued by the division over the last 10 years?

For the viewing public with that traffic ticket.

For the chair to the council.

Well, I know.

And they pursue starting from downtown and then land.

So really question.

Meaning if we have a pursuit fordrawal that we have for our police officers in the city of Cleveland, that's our policy.

But then if the shares have a different policy for what they do and how they work or coincide together.

So jurisdiction and federal policies and then to the uh the sheriff report.

Okay, through the chair to our staff, is it possible that I that you can get over to us, Miss Um Ibiko?

Um send over to me the actual current pursuit policy that the city of Cleveland have with Cleveland PD, and then if you can pull um the sheriff both of those to see you know see what we have in place um to make sure that we have those protocols are being met when all these different incidents are occurring through the chair.

Thank you.

Uh can I just answer you?

Uh through the chair to council member sir, they don't have to file follow our policy at all.

So I just want to be clear of that, even if the policies um are completely different just because they operate inside of the city of Cleveland or any of the suburbs, they follow their own policy, they don't have to be um in compliant with the local policies.

Yep, and through the same and through that same stance, thank you, Chief.

Um, to that same stance, um, Miss Ibercone, our staff, can you also um once you provide those documents?

Can you also provide the last time or frame they were last updated as far as the policy?

So but a city and the sheriffs, if you could pull that or find any information to say when the last time they reviewed, and then also within context, could you provide who are the ones who are making these policies in charge of amending those policies and also when are they reviewed on a regular basis to the chair?

That's all you pick.

Thank you.

I just on that note, I had asked um previous safety directors and chiefs over the years.

Um I'm I'm trying to think, please correct me, is the greater Cleveland Police Chiefs Association.

What is what is that group that county chiefs?

But I was told again, uh, unless things have changed that uh each suburb, because I was having a problem with the suburban sub uh suburban uh forces coming into the northeast side of the city out of specific out of Euclid and Lake County, and I was told then that uh we could not govern their pursuit policy uh even though it came to the city of Cleveland, which I found extreme and I still find extremely troubling that they could come in and into our municipal boundary, um, and yet we have a pursuit policy here, but they didn't have to adhere to it.

But I was told at the time there was nothing that we could do about that.

And I don't know if it is anything changed along those lines.

They have their policy to have our policy urgent conversations about the sheets, yes, she with the uh shares association.

Actually, I'm kind of like uh pursuit policy.

That's not happening.

Yeah, I think maybe yes, Ms.

Point of pointation again, as we are talking about policies, then that is the role of legislators to talk to other legislators in other jurisdictions if we believe that there is an opportunity to have some synergy within policies again um for the people who are responsible for implementing the policies, such as our various law enforcement opportunities, um, as Councilman Starr has requested the the different policies from the City of Cleveland as well as the sheriff's um department, it is per it will present itself if there are some things that are different, uh then we will have the opportunity to advocate with our counterparts for Kyoga for Kyoga County for changes that we want.

So, Councilman Starr, I would like to offer that to you and we're working as a partner with you if there are some issues regarding um pro the differences of police pursuits.

We as legislators have an absolute opportunity and responsibility to have similar conversations with the legal jurisdiction to see how we can work in partnership to ensure that not only our law enforcement officers are confused throughout Kyogre County, but more importantly, our citizens and visitors are safe nowhere no matter where they go.

Um so I that's the thing that I will offer.

Uh secondarily says we're sorry, Councilman Starts still have the floor.

Thank you.

You are up next.

Go ahead.

Oh, are you finished?

Okay.

Well, since we have general com conversations.

Um through the chair, uh to the team here, would would you all be able because this is not the time, but since we are asking a conversation, um can you all provide us the context of what actually transpired regarding the play uh issue that happened downtown, right?

Um many of our off but I will say a couple of people of our offices have re um received calls about how was the city of Cleveland able to enforce um whatever was perceived as a nuisance compared to many of the lack of enforcement when there are tragedy shootings, deaths at other bars and establishments within the city of Cleveland, and many times absolutely nothing is done.

And so again, there is a feeling that they are at times there, it's desperate dis desperate treatment of how neighborhood tragedy has happened compared to what is what is done in the city um in downtown Cleveland.

So if you all again, this is not the format for that, but since we have you all here, I would be remiss um, and especially I know it was the one young man who came in public comment this past Monday that talked about you know his reputation and all those things, and I believe his name is Mr.

Heel.

Um, and I I think it just I would be remiss if I did not, you know, officially ask that even from my perspective, because there are some troubling establishments near my neighborhood, and people have for years been asking for enforcement issues, and nothing has occurred.

And so again, for us to be very clear on what are the procedures.

So if there is an avenue for troubled establishments, and I'm not that they're not saying that that that was the case for play, because I don't know, but I do know that there have been some troubled establishments uh in other parts of the city, and there has been a lack of enforcement from what we saw uh that transpired in the city of Cleveland.

So if you all can provide that to us, that would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Um councilman Casey, you had another comment.

Um to the chief, do don't we have MOUs with other jurisdictions regarding pursuits that come into the city of Cleveland?

Uh through the chair to the council member, it's not about the pursuits.

It's about mutual aid.

Um when you talked about the other, it's uh if there was a swap call up or if there was a critical incident agencies they adhere to our policy required pursuit policy as well.

I think all of those is it possible?

And I understand it's a little different with the sheriff's department because they have their jurisdiction has there been a conversation at all with the sheriff regarding at least the beginning state um I mean it's 27 pages long.

Um something, right?

I mean, we just can't have any department just coming in and running road, and I'm not saying the road there's been the two incidents that you know if those were Cleveland police officers, probably most likely there wouldn't have been a pursuit in those cases just due to our pursuit policy.

Um so has there been at least conversations with the sheriff's department in some aspects with the administration um surrounding the incidents that have happened or a plan for an inferior instance, Chief?

So through the chair to councilman Casey, um when you look at the pursuit policies of other agencies, um we bring in Ohio State Highway Patrol, they adhere to their pursuit policy.

We bring in our federal partners for assistance with our violent crime reduction, traffic enforcement, they adhere to their pursuit policies.

Each agency operates under a different policy, so to um require one would be you know conversations with all.

Um, you know, the tragedy that with this particular pursuit.

Um I understand the frustration and I understand the questions, but each policy is regulated, you know, whether it be by the county, the state, or federally.

So it's really a challenging topic when you talk about um regulating one when we have multiple agencies who come in with different policies.

All right, I was just wondering.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um no other uh further questions.

I don't believe there's any other further, but I would say to the members that are present um at the um we're gonna ask um because I indicated to the assistant safety director on Tuesday.

really a challenging topic when you talk about um regulating one when we have multiple agencies who come in with different policies all right um no other uh further questions i i don't believe there's any other further but i would say to the members that are present um at the um we're gonna ask um as i indicated to the assistant safety director on tuesday um at some point we're gonna want an update on the drones because the drones our uh staff is undergoing training right now on the implement and implementation of drones not only for the division of police but for the division of fire um are they just briefly are they uh are they up at all so the division of police drones are up uh through the chair or to the chair yes we they're not up completely but we do have certified operators who have you so carrying different insights so at some point um shortly we're gonna ask you for a presentation on that and then again as I indicated OHP uh please keep us in the uh in a loop on the Ohio Highway Patrol I did speak follow up on Townsman Casey's comment I spoke to Congressman Max Miller uh on two occasions this week uh and expressed to him that um the body um we are opposed to the implementation of um national guard coming into Cleveland um I said to him that until I hear the mayor the safety director and the chief of the divid of the city of Cleveland uh request that uh this body would not even remotely consider that and I I want to say this for the record he was um he listened we had a good discussion and I just indicated to him that I would hope that he and others would engage us more in the in discussions uh and dialogue we're not here to fight but the implementation of the um of the National Guard is not needed in the city of Cleveland and and I am I'm very pro-law enforcement I can tell you without any fear or contradiction I don't see that at this point a need for that to take place in the city of Cleveland and again I I want to thank him for his um willingness the the dialogue at length and we talked at length about this so um any other questions miscellaneous if not this committee stands adjourned thank you very much