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Cleveland Finance Committee Meeting - September 29, 2025

City Council MeetingsMonday, September 29, 2025
BodyCleveland, Ohio
SessionCity Council Meetings
DateMonday, September 29, 2025
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5:11

Thank you.

5:12

Mr.

5:13

Gentel to the chair, I I think we need to there maybe need to be an amendment to this because it says Cleveland Police Commission.

5:19

I think it needs to be community police commissioner.

5:27

Is that the motion?

5:29

It should be community police commission.

5:32

All right, um, I'll let um councilman for listen make a motion and we'll go for the okay, thank you.

5:36

All right, council community.

5:39

That uh the uh language be changed to community police commission within the ordinance.

5:45

All right.

5:46

Uh actually, you know what?

5:47

The amendment are located, and I'll just read it in because actually we have already made the amendment.

5:54

Is there is no legal objection to this legislation if we're made it as follows.

5:58

One in the title, line five, and in the referrals, whereas clause line three, strike Cleveland, and insert community.

6:07

This was dated 925-25 by Lewis Smoot the third, assistant director of law.

6:13

Thank you.

6:13

Alright, thank you.

6:14

Um I do believe uh Councilman Palencick has a question.

6:18

Yes, chairman.

6:20

Chairman, uh in and with the uh uh is it acting?

6:25

Your acting interim.

6:29

Will you please uh your last name?

6:32

N-O-U, R U R E D.

6:37

R E D.

6:38

D I N E.

6:41

Another D?

6:42

Correct.

6:43

D I and E.

6:44

And how would you pronounce that?

6:46

Nordine.

6:49

Okay.

6:50

So to Mr.

6:51

Nordine, um, you are interim director or the community police commission.

7:02

Okay.

7:03

Um so go into the back to the legislation that is in front of us, and I have another question.

7:10

But was it has there been any effort made?

7:13

I'll say this to you, but also to Mr.

7:14

Gentle.

7:15

Was there any effort um made to possibly uh find the civil space in the city building?

7:28

I think we're always looking to try to relocate, and I know there's been a space study.

7:33

Right.

7:33

Um, so right now they're need one more year where they're at, but hopefully uh and soon we'll start bringing back some of these people that we're releasing spaces back to city hall with the new space that we can't raise the past uh not as with this, but with other uh entities that are leasing space and you know we have city buildings, city facilities.

7:55

So let's figure out how we can uh accomplish this uh this relocation.

8:00

My last well, my next question is to Mr.

8:03

Nordie.

8:04

Um the um you know what I'm not even gonna believe.

8:08

I would ask you to kind of take my office because I have some questions with regard to we're waiting almost two years for the Cleveland Police Department to have commanders certified or ratified by the commission, which I don't understand why it is taken so long.

8:33

Division of police district commanders.

8:37

I don't understand it for the lately why it is taken so long.

8:41

And so does then have to explain this to you, and um at some point I hope to have you before the uh before the committee, and then tomorrow at two o'clock, the federal monitor is so I'm hoping that there's somebody going to be in attendance from the community police commission as well, not to participate.

9:00

But to be in the audience to hear the presentation of the federal law.

9:04

I'll leave it with that, Mr.

9:04

Chairman.

9:05

Thank you.

9:06

Thank you.

9:06

Uh Consider Brian Casey.

9:08

Thank you, Mr.

9:09

Chairman.

9:09

Mr.

9:10

Chairman, so the director in the executive summary of the price.

9:16

We've got two different units that we're asking, right?

9:23

That's correct.

9:24

Okay.

9:24

And then it also says bus utilities to treasure.

9:28

So are we paying for treasury mobile just one month summer if we playing so are we paying trash removal?

9:36

Because I'm assuming that the business server the building just has a something else to be set up.

9:45

So are we paying twice for treasury?

9:48

Twice from the chairman.

9:51

No, they're not paying to single fee.

10:00

Um the um community police commission is only paying once a month for treasury rule once a month, which is one of them right.

10:08

Well, Mr.

10:09

Chairman for the Inter American, can you find that out for sure then?

10:13

And then we'll still thank you.

10:15

All right, thank you.

10:21

As amended stands approved, please sign it off.

10:24

Next up is city planning.

10:26

If they could come to the table, this is ordinance number nine eighty-four dash 2025 by Councilmembers Harrison and Griffin by Departmental Requests and Emergency Ordinance to the Man Section 173.65 of the codified ordinances of Cleveland, Ohio 1976 as amended by ordinance number 770-2021 passed September 20, 2021, relating to the city planning commission.

10:53

Uh director and assistant director.

10:59

To the chair of the committee members turned over to city planning for this piece.

11:09

Okay, so we are here today to request um compensation for two alternative to the planning commission, which um is allowed by charter, but we haven't had um any alternates uh since it's been enacted because we have not uh determined any compensation for them.

11:31

We currently have seven members uh on the commission.

11:34

Um very often we have difficulties getting uh quorum because of the fact that people may um have some sort of involvement in different projects, whether it's a financial involvement or on the board, and we've uh in order to keep our meetings moving and making sure that we are able to uh make a determination on those particular cases.

11:56

We want to make sure that we have an alternate that can step in when a situation like that occurs.

12:02

Um what we're requesting is 187 dollars for each official meeting that uh that an alternate attends and uh we in order to determine that rate what we did was look at what the board of building standards does so that we would be consistent with our other boards and commissions with what they're how they're compensating uh their alternates.

12:27

Okay.

12:28

Um couple of things.

12:30

So let me try to understand this because I do know the need to have an alternate is important.

12:35

Will these alternates have to show up at every meeting, or would they only be on call when you need them in order to show up at they'll be on call?

12:46

So what if we run into a situation where even alternates are not available?

12:51

Um wouldn't it be good just to actually do like how we do and I forget any other departments where we just actually have an actual board member and then they're always available that they're scared or not, just one per time because our curiosity.

13:07

I mean, we we could do that.

13:09

Well, let's let's let's stick with the most feasible route now.

13:13

I just want to make sure this is gonna solve the issue.

13:16

Yeah, because I know that it's issues when you all have forum and we have come dangerously close to call people to say hey, we need somebody to get.

13:24

Yeah, I think part of it is just well, I mean the fact that we're paying 187 per dm uh per meeting, and so um it would probably require more in the budget to accommodate um somebody to attend every meeting.

13:37

Um if we're only doing 187, the one thing that I just want to understand is process so that we can just you know make sure we know when you want to call, is it like a 24-hour period that they have to be available?

13:50

I mean, those are guidelines you can set up and go from there, but I just want to make sure that it's a smooth process, okay?

13:55

Yeah, we do request um earlier in the week uh attending who's attending and who's not, so we have the ability to make those arrangements, and we also because our meetings are held hybrid, we can also call people and just have them participate even on if it's on one case, they can come in and they can participate in any one case to make sure that we have one.

14:14

Okay, all right.

14:15

Sounds good to me.

14:16

Councilman Harrison, you have any comments?

14:18

Um her passing.

14:22

Um as you mentioned, there's no question that came under that we have to meet uh the committee vocal passing uh as if you know as we've got a lot of effort discussions that we feel like it has changed in the made uh thank you.

14:38

Councilman Brian Casey, thank you, Mr.

14:41

Chairman.

14:41

Um Mr.

14:42

Chairman to Director, Assistant Director, Assistant Chairman.

14:47

Um what do the uh planning board right now before the Senate?

14:53

Uh is it the 12th?

14:56

8,770.

14:58

Yeah, 8,700.

15:00

Right.

15:01

And that's for I'm sorry, it's uh 8,963.

15:07

Yeah.

15:07

And then the chairman makes an additional 575.

15:10

And then set it down rate because of the um.

15:17

Correct.

15:18

I remember going through that whole thing, raising everybody.

15:20

So would this 187 accumulate to if somebody is there every week, right?

15:29

Because our time there's one of these two alternates either every week.

15:35

Would it still set them up for the BRS earn credit?

15:42

Yeah.

15:43

Through the chair of the councilman.

15:45

We'd have to calculate that.

15:46

I'm not sure.

15:47

Uh because that would you get meet every week or how can you meet uh twice a month?

15:54

That's 24 meetings.

15:56

No, I don't think 100 meetings.

15:57

No, 187 would not through the chair to the council person.

16:00

So, Mr.

16:01

Chairman to the assistant director, the question is is this 187 dollars for that means a lot of money?

16:09

But are we setting ourselves up for somebody who may be a permanent alternate, right?

16:15

And does actually show up to not earn the PDRS credit because we're not the compensation isn't enough.

16:25

Yeah, so we're not asking them to attend every meeting, just the meetings that are where we don't have forum which is Mr.

16:31

Chairman and Assistant Director, I can really get it, but I've also been to a number of planning meetings where we needed more bodies.

16:40

Right.

16:41

So I'm I'm just asking that question is that is this 187 enough to incentivize someone to show up for me, Mr.

16:48

Chairman for the assistant director.

16:52

If the regular board members are making more than that, right, I hear what you're saying.

16:57

Right, I mean, why would this incentivize somebody to ship up?

17:07

I honestly I'm not I we haven't because we've never done this before.

17:11

I cannot tell you whether they whether people it would discourage people from coming.

17:15

I don't I don't think that it would.

17:18

Um I think a lot the one thing that we talked about when we interviewed people for the position is you have some people who would like to be on permanent and um as we have people fall off, those are people that we can recommend to be on the committee.

17:30

Now, of course, it is appointed by the mayor's getting his decision, but it um it I think sets them up to become a permanent member.

17:38

So I think that that's also something that attracts people to be uh in all the time.

17:42

All right, so Mr.

17:43

Chairman to the assistant director, that's kind of leads into the second part of my question is how long is it gonna take to find real appointments for our public fund quickly, right?

17:56

So are we at the point in the year where you guys can just add this into your budget for next year, knowing if we have budget area expanding up next year?

18:05

Is it gonna take you four months to find alternates that are gonna want to do this by the time they go through the legislative process of being appointed?

18:14

Do they have to do the legislative process of being appointed and get them seated?

18:19

Are we just better off just saying, hey, it's span the budget next year as opposed to doing this this year?

18:25

So we already have two people who are interested in being alternates.

18:29

Um we ended when we interviewed for the regular position, we talked to them about the potential meeting audience, and they were uh interested in doing that.

18:37

So we do have um people lined up already.

18:41

All right, Mr.

18:42

Trevor Assistant Directors, the mayor could you see as well?

18:45

I mean they're the mayoral.

18:46

So those because we haven't gone through this process yet, we have not submitted those names to them yet.

18:51

Uh so let's go back to the original question is are we at a time where we can just wait until your project for next year, or do you think you can get these people to see that we'd have the side this year?

19:04

I think we're well, we're looking to try to seek them this fall, so I think that we could.

19:08

Okay.

19:09

All right.

19:10

All right, thank you, Mr.

19:11

Chairman.

19:12

All right, thank you.

19:12

And if just um just for clarity, you basically got this model from the board of building standards.

19:18

So this is pretty much the model that they use now.

19:21

Yes.

19:22

Okay, and has that model been effective in making sure that they have forum compared to city planning figures at the time and forums is not necessarily yeah, they they have it it has helped them definitely have forum.

19:37

Okay, all right.

19:39

One other question, Mr.

19:40

Chairman, the assistant director.

19:41

This money is most the planning budget, and you're not looking for additional dollars.

19:47

This is already money that you had to be second reference.

19:50

That's correct.

19:51

All right, thank you, Mr.

19:52

Chairman.

19:52

Thank you, appreciate it.

19:54

Sand all the questions ordinance number 984-2025 stands approved.

20:00

Chairman thank you appreciate it saying no other questions ordinance number nine eighty four-2025 stands approved at least signed all right next up is safety ordinance number 950-2025 by council members belistic griffin by departmental request an emergency ordinance authorizing the director of public safety to apply for it and accept the grant from the Ohio Department of Public Safety for the FY 2026 Impair Driving Enforcement Program and Selective Traffic Enforcement Program Director Sergeant Shaker from the Traffic Enforcement Bureau to Hearthstone or legislation of state report, which is um sorry here authorized meeting public safety to apply for accepted grant in the amount of 46,054 from the public department public safety for fiscal year 26 compared to all right and selective traffic enforcement program this grant does not have a cash match for rent role of the MPR driving enforcement program strategic traffic enforcement is provide funding for the hours and it's easy to traffic these overtime off inducting part of the enforcement term because again 46,000 5410 cent for a period of from October this year to September next year, September 306 again to the file.

21:43

And this is the uh expenses to be reimbursed for personnel 40,364 cents, and that's more overtime for its benefits, um education, which is uh 3500 posters, wires, and all the material and transportation fuel 1,689 dollars and 32 cents for their total measurement for 46,000 54,001.

22:08

And again, there's a local match, and we received this grant annually since 2008.

22:14

Uh any questions.

22:16

Uh thank you, Councilman Michael DeMessy.

22:18

Yes, Mr.

22:19

Chairman heard it permitted.

22:20

We discussed it, we approved it unanimously.

22:23

All right.

22:23

Any other questions regarding ordinance number 950-2025, pretty routine grant?

22:29

Seeing no other questions, ordinance number 950-2025 stands approved.

22:35

Thank you.

22:36

Um very intriguing conversation that you and I had, and um I plan to decide and to be honest with you.

22:44

I think everybody is unanimously wants to be able to do that.

22:48

All three unanimously pretty much want to figure out how we can move forward.

22:52

Let's follow up with that conversation.

22:57

Thank you.

22:58

Thank you.

23:01

Thanks.

23:07

All right.

23:08

These are from municipal services committee.

23:12

Uh first up is ordinance number 846-2025 as amended by council members Bishop and Griffin by departmental request.

23:22

Um I will tell everyone are the amendments on the tablets.

23:28

So the amendments are on the tablets, therefore I do not have to read all of the amendments.

23:33

Uh the amendments are on the tablets.

23:36

Uh councilman bishop, Chairman Bishop, please make sure you look at the amendments to make sure they are the ones that your committee wanted to have.

23:45

Uh yes, please proceed.

23:47

Director and commissioners.

23:49

Um, Mr.

23:50

Chairman, once we get to the point we do have uh a few additional amendments to make um there are a few things that were not quite um quite put into the amendments.

24:02

Okay.

24:03

Um they have been written.

24:05

Yeah, so well they came from Brooke, but I can um I can share with you what they are, but I'm not sure if you want me to go through the amendments first or speech.

24:17

Okay.

24:19

So um in um ordinance 846-2025 in uh section nine uh there was um language added towards the bottom appropriate available bond funds, and it should have been appropriate available bond or note funds.

24:44

Is that this one?

24:46

Um yeah, so see how the first one says remote funds.

24:53

This second grassroots should see the same fund.

24:55

Okay, so it's it's correct the first time you see near that the second time.

25:00

So do you are uh council?

25:02

I mean uh Mr.

25:03

Um Kevin, if you want to see these um I can show you probably better than I can explain to you.

25:12

Yeah, there's two of them.

25:14

And it's there's yeah, there's there's actually three says appropriate available bonds.

25:19

Oh, yeah.

25:20

And the same labor is not here, appropriate available bond or note funds.

25:26

Okay.

25:27

So and Mr.

25:30

Chairman, I can't share these with law.

25:32

Um what what are the impacts is ordinance number 847-2025?

25:39

846-2025 and 852-2025.

25:46

It's the same amendment in all three.

25:48

And if it's helpful, I think I can give this to you, you'll see where it adds up, which yeah, and chair.

25:58

So we have a motion to clarify the amendment uh that has been proffered on the table.

26:03

Do we uh councilman bishop?

26:05

Yes.

26:06

Uh Chairman, uh, you want me to make a motion?

26:09

Yeah, and then somebody to amend it.

26:11

Yes, a moment to make the amount to add numbers.

26:16

Um I'd like to make a motion.

26:20

All right, and you want to show them what to add, what exactly it is, sir.

26:25

And section that we need to take.

26:29

Um, I'd like to make a motion that in section nine to add uh section.

26:42

So is there section that or section?

26:44

Yes, I think section 12.

26:47

Oh, it's section 12 of ordinance number 847.

26:52

Um I'm not sure what line it is, but it says available bond or note funds.

27:03

All right, Mr.

27:04

Roberts, you have that?

27:06

Okay, all right.

27:07

Do I have a second?

27:09

Second, who is that?

27:11

Second second casey.

27:13

Uh do we have any discussion on this amendment?

27:16

Seeing no discussion, the amendment all in favor say aye.

27:20

Any opposed, the ayes have it.

27:22

Okay, that's the first amendment to 846.

27:26

Where are we at now?

27:28

Okay, uh Chairman.

27:30

Uh I'd like to make an amendment to ordinance number 846 2025.

27:35

Okay.

27:36

And section nine.

27:39

I think it's line 14.

27:43

Uh where it says appropriate available bond funds.

27:48

I'd like to change that to appropriate available bond or note funds.

27:59

Yeah, we have a motion that's been moved and seconded.

28:03

Do we have any other questions?

28:05

Send other questions.

28:07

Uh all in favor say aye.

28:09

Any opposed?

28:10

The ayes have it.

28:12

Explain all right.

28:16

Um I'd like to make a motion to amend uh ordinance number 852 2025.

28:23

Okay.

28:24

In section four line two, or is the first line continued on line two?

28:46

Okay.

28:48

Uh do I have a second?

28:50

Second.

28:51

Councilman Casey has seconded moved and seconded.

28:54

Uh are there uh any discussion?

28:57

All in favor say aye.

28:59

All right.

28:59

Any opposed?

29:00

Yeah, I have it.

29:02

Amendments carried.

29:03

Now you can talk to the uh legislation.

29:05

846 first.

29:06

And once again, I won't read all the amendments.

29:09

The amendments are on the tablets, and we have uh moved and passed all the amendments.

29:14

But uh this is ordinance number 846-2025 as amended by council members Bishop and Griffin by departmental request and emergency ordinance, determine the making, determining determining the method of making the public improvement of designing and constructing or constructing, rehabilitating, renovating, replacing or otherwise includes improving public facilities, buildings, and other similar structures, including site improvements and purposes, and authorizing the director of public safety, public works or capital projects as appropriate to enter into one or more public improvement contracts for the making of the improvements, enter into one or more professional services and other contracts needed to implement the improvement to apply for and accept grants and gifts and authorizing the director, the direct employment of the necessary labor for the department of public safety, public works or the office of capital projects, direct.

30:00

Enter into one or more professional services and other contracts needed to implement the improvement to apply for and accept grants and gifts and authorizing the director, the direct employment of the necessary labor for the Department of Public Safety, public works or the Office of Capital Project.

30:14

Mr.

30:14

Chairman, thank you for reading the ordinance.

30:17

And would it be okay if I review all the ordinances at the same time?

30:21

Yes, uh all of these are companion pieces.

30:24

There you are, sir.

30:25

Um so again, let me do my due to other just to read them all into the record, and then once I read them all into the record, then you can speak to them.

30:31

Okay.

30:32

Alright, the next one is ordinance number 847-2025 as amended by council members Bishop and Griffin by departmental requests, an emergency ordinance, determinative method of making the public improvement of designing and constructing, rehabilitating, renovating, replacing with otherwise improvement recreation facilities, ancillary recreation buildings, parks and playgrounds, and other similar structures or amenities on city-owned and city-leased park property, including site improvements and appurchases, and authorizing the director of parks and recreation, public works or capital projects as appropriate to enter into one or more public improvement contracts for the making of the improvements.

31:12

Enter into one or more professional services and other contracts needed to implement the improvement to apply for and accept land gifts, yes, and gifts and authorizing the director, direct deployment of the necessary labor for the Department of Parks and Recreation, or public works, or the Office of Capital Projects.

31:34

Next one is ordinance number 848-2025 as amended by Council Members Bishop and Griffin by Department of Request and emergency orders, determining the method of making the public improvement of designing and constructing or constructing, rehabilitating, renovating, replacing, or otherwise improving roadways, streets, bridges, sidewalks, and other similar projects, including site improvements and appurchases, and authorizing the director of public works or capital projects as appropriate to enter into one or more public improvement contracts for the making of the improvements, enter into one or more professional services and other contracts needed to implement the improvement to apply for and accept grants and gifts and authorizing the direct employment of the necessary labor for the Department of Public Works or the Office of Capital Projects.

32:29

Next one is 852-2025 as amended by Council Members Bishop and Griffin by Department of Requests and Emergency Ordinance, authorizing the purchase by one or more standard and requirement contracts for the purchase, lease, or lease with option two purchase of heavy of various heavy-duty trucks and equipment for the various divisions of city government.

32:52

Next one is ordinance number 853-2025 as amended by Council Members Bishop and Griffin by Department of Requests and emergency ordinance authorizing the purchase by one or more standard and requirement contracts for the purchase, lease, or at least with option two purchase of various light-duty vehicles and equipment for the various divisions of city government.

33:13

That was separate.

33:14

Okay.

33:15

Yeah.

33:15

Alright, so these are all of the companion pieces that deal with uh the CIP.

33:21

Uh council, I mean uh director, please proceed.

33:25

Uh thank you, um, Mr.

33:26

President.

33:27

So if uh finance committee uh recalls last Monday we were at Finance Committee to um pass ordinances related to um the uh bonding or the notes that would be needed to fund a list of capital projects, and today we're here to discuss what that list of capital projects are.

33:46

Um we did um review um with the municipal services and properties committee this morning and um and and so we're bringing that to you today and as a reminder the list that we have uh before you today uh the dollar amounts match exactly with what we presented last Monday from finance department for their legislative authority for for uh bonding and notes.

34:11

Um I wanted to start with uh a couple of slides.

34:14

I'm not gonna do this whole PowerPoint, but a couple slides.

34:17

Um, and it this is the presentation that I gave back in April at that municipal services and properties committee.

34:24

All council members were invited to attend uh letters were put in the boxes.

34:28

I know council president, you attended for that.

34:30

Um, and so the the reason I'm showing the previous PowerPoint is just to show you that this is all a continuation of what was presented in April legislation when it was introduced in May, and then we're here today to pass the um and hopefully pass the amended legislation.

34:47

Um, as a reminder, what qualifies for a capital project?

34:53

Um the the improvement has to have at least a useful life of 10 years.

35:00

So that could be new construction, it could be any of the engineering or architectural services that goes into a new construction project.

35:08

It could be the purchase of equipment that has the useful life of at least 10 years, or it could be capital maintenance with again useful life of 10 years.

35:18

Not regular maintenance, but capital maintenance.

35:21

So there's a difference between fixing a part in a boiler and then fixing the whole boiler itself.

35:29

And then a reminder that there's generally four types of bonds that relate to the capital budgeting process for the general fund.

35:41

Usually they fall into these four buckets, facilities, recreation, and I'll I'll have a reminder here that recreation sensors, even though they are facilities, they fall under the recreation bonds.

35:55

Roto bridge bonds with that, which I think most council members are aware of, but that also includes any 50-50 sidewalk program, tree damage sidewalk programs, and then cemetery bonds.

36:08

Now we did have one project proposed for cemetery bonds that did not make uh the short list of projects that we could either encumber or for equipment purchase this year.

36:21

So we did um ask that the cemetery's legislation be tabled, so that's why you don't see that before you today.

36:30

And then a reminder of what the capital improvement plan process looks like, a reminder that we uh solicit um projects from both departments and city council.

36:41

Um City Council currently has a request from uh council staff to provide their uh requests in by the end of uh this month by the end of September.

36:51

Um we as capital projects um in the Department of Capital Projects, we look at all those projects and we look to see which projects um are ready for um action and also meet um priorities or um uh needs based upon condition or legal requirement.

37:12

We then um meet several times with the capital improvement committee.

37:16

It's chaired by Chief Twin.

37:18

Various departments are on it, including um finance, uh sustainability, planning, um, capital projects, and then uh the chief of uh integrated development, and then uh we make a recommendation to city council last year it was in April, but what you're gonna see is that we'll be back before city council in January with a slate of projects, and based upon what was presented in council at last Monday's finance committee.

37:46

The idea going forward is that we will come at the beginning of the year with a list of projects, and then towards the end of the year, um a finance department will come to city council for authorization to finance those projects through bonds or notes.

38:04

And so we're um uncoupling uh what is typically um happening at the same time currently, which is the project list and then the tools and the authorization to finance that list.

38:20

Um so the final slide I'm going to show you is just a representation that shows that we do strive to balance where capital improvement investments happen and uh whether it's road bridges, facilities, um, recreation or cemeteries, you know, they do hit all the corners of the city.

38:49

Um with that um one is a three-year capital improvement plan, which you're looking at council president with the orange bar on the top, and that and as you requested last week, you had asked where the three-year plan was.

39:04

Um, and you'll see that what we did for 25 is the only projects that are highlighted for the 2025 proposed budget are those that we can either encumber or purchase that asset in the remaining months of this year.

39:20

All of the rest of the projects are proposed to be carryover projects that would be on the 2026 capital improvement plan.

39:29

So I would highlight that there are um projects and in most wards that are being uh uh carried over into 2026, those projects would remain, but then we would add projects from this 2026 proposed budget, not all of them, that's way too much to budget for, but we would go through an analysis as I as I mentioned and in this in this um circular pattern to come up with a proposal that we will come back to city council with in January.

40:04

So there's another uh handout with uh yellow um that looks similar to this with a yellow column.

40:13

This just highlights uh which projects are are in the yellow column or the ones that are proposed for 2025, and yes.

40:26

Yes, it says 2025 CIP requests.

40:30

Yes.

40:32

Page one relates to recreation facilities and the ordinance related to the recreation bonds.

40:38

Um so the three projects that we can encumber or purchase for this year are the Lonnie Burton Recreation Center, uh the um recent fire alarm replacement at Alexander Hamilton, and then the um the Rec Center Kitchen Upgrades.

40:55

So that's um five million two hundred and eighty thousand dollars for recreation.

41:01

Six million oh, sorry, six million two hundred and eighty thousand.

41:05

I put my glasses on.

41:10

Um facility bonds.

41:12

If you flip to page two, the projects that would remain for 2025 are EMS-based furniture, police ballistic vests, turn out here, which is the safety protection for firemen, police headquarters reminder.

41:30

This is the final um uh uh line item related to police headquarters that's outside of what the developer is is is building for us.

41:39

This is for furniture moving AV security equipment, things like that.

41:44

The new swap headquarters at 7.5 million.

41:48

Um reminder that that was on the list uh previously and that that that money was swapped out for the gateway project.

41:57

You have fire headquarters basement, um, firehouse appliances and variety of different firehouses, and then um public facilities fire alarm replacement at um fire stations.

42:12

If you flip to page three, which is the road of bridge bonds, the items that would remain on the 2025 list would be the 5050 Cleveland Division of Water Streets and reminder that so that we can we can go curb to curb when they're replacing uh water line, um the uh tree damage sidewalk program, uh general engineering services, which supplements our our staff with engineering services, street resurfacing for the 8 million, that was the additional 8 million that um city council requested for residential street resurfacing, uh a million dollars for major bridge repair, uh and then we have three items for division of streets to purchase.

43:00

Uh one is controller cabinets, the second one is um pavement marking erasing machines, and then the third are barricades and cones.

43:10

The next one is for uh crack sealing.

43:14

Um, and then we get to a few specific projects.

43:18

One is the Morgan Run Trail, um also known as the Booth Avenue extension, and then the North Marginal Connector Trail, which is the trail under construction from East 9th to East 55th Street, and those add up to um $13,045,000.

43:37

And then finally, if you go to page five, um we have um light vehicle acquisitions and the amount of $2,690,000 and heavy vehicle um acquisitions and the amount of $1,290,000, and um we did um uh adjust those numbers and um assistant director chambers does have an amendment related to the specific list of of vehicles that's in the legislation.

44:16

Do you like to that?

44:17

Yes, please.

44:22

Right.

44:22

So you'll see a list in front of you.

44:24

It says final September 29.

44:26

That's the one we are actually working from.

44:28

This is amending the previous legislation which has a list placed in it, which has some numbers there that we are looking to remove.

44:43

We needed to make sure that our balance of vehicles requested match the balance request for the bonds.

44:52

So for heavy vehicles, as mentioned before, that total is 2,690,000.

45:00

So if you check your list that you have in front of you, you will see there's a column for heavy vehicles.

45:05

The heavy vehicles requested for a waste collection is a transfer station loader at 600,000 for streets.

45:12

It is another loader at 300,000 for property management.

45:17

There's an aerial bucket truck at 210,000.

45:21

And then there is a track, a truck type van in traffic engineering for 140,000.

45:28

I'm sorry, I read that.

45:30

You just skip the 40.

45:31

I skipped the 40, sorry.

45:33

And then miscellaneous equipment under streets at 40,000.

45:38

So that gives us for heavy equipment a total of a hundred one million two hundred and ninety thousand for light equipment.

45:49

The total for that is two million six hundred and ninety thousand.

45:54

Those vehicles requested for purchase is a light truck pickup at three of those at 240,000, a light truck pickup six at 432,450.

46:09

A truck cargo van, three of those at 195,000.

46:14

Medium truck rollback carrier at 150,000.

46:19

Passenger vehicles six at 180,000, a light truck, 35,000.

46:27

Then we move on to streets, which has a request also for miscellaneous equipment, light at 280,000.

46:36

Recreation, a passenger vehicle at 25,000.

46:41

For recreation is also requesting two passenger vans at 120,000.

46:47

Property management has a request for an SUV light truck at 100,000.

46:55

Public work vacant properties has requests for a light pickup at 55,000.

47:03

210,000, sorry, for three.

47:06

And then there's also a quest from Public Works for Cutter, which is an attachment at 55,000.

47:14

Moving on to park maintenance, they are requesting one SUV at 36,500.

47:24

Two riding mowers at 30,000.

47:27

Trailer for the riding mowers at two of those at $15,050.

47:33

And then a monument setter one at $50,000.

47:38

Request from the greenhouse for riding mowers, two at $30,000.

47:45

Urban Forestry is requesting a pickup truck at $70,000.

47:50

Park maintenance has requests for miscellaneous equipment at $36,000.

47:57

Following on to police, two SUVs marked $160,000.

48:04

To EMS, they also requested a marked SUV at $80,000.

48:09

Closing out the list with fire with two marked SUVs at $160,000.

48:15

And their grant total is $2,690,000.

48:19

So Mr.

48:20

Chairman, there is a request to amend um both ordinances to take out the list of vehicles in each ordinance and replace it with the list that Director Chambers just listed.

48:39

Our law departments already drafted it, but we need to do it verbally at the table.

48:44

Sure.

48:45

So do you have the list?

48:49

Give it to Cosm Bishop, or who do you give it to Cosmic Bishop as it's they've been distributed?

48:55

Okay.

48:55

So okay, we have it.

48:56

Thanks.

48:57

Uh there for uh counselor bishop if you want to offer that amendment to replace that file.

49:02

Uh Mr.

49:03

Chairman, um, amendment to um submit this uh document to for the list of vehicles in the uh ordinance for ordinance number which ordinances um this so Mr.

49:19

Chairman it would be for two ordinances it would be for um 852-2025, which is for heavy and 853-2025, which is for light vehicles, both are on this first year.

49:36

Right, Mr.

49:36

Chairman.

49:37

So I would like to offer this uh this this document right here to submit this for a list of vehicles for ordinance number 852 and ordinance number 853.

49:49

All right.

49:49

Uh we have an amendment.

49:50

Do I have a second?

49:52

Councilman Michael Balenciaga seconded.

49:54

Is there any discussion?

49:57

Saying no discussion, all in favor say aye.

50:00

Aye.

50:00

Uh any opposed, the ayes have it, the amendment carries, please proceed.

50:05

Um, Mr.

50:06

Chairman, so those were um my comments and my presentation, and I'm sure council has questions and happy to answer any questions.

50:15

Okay, before I go to councilman bishop, I do want to make sure I remind everybody that we are deliberating 846, 847, 848, 852, and 853 2025, all ran in the record.

50:31

All of them are companion pieces.

50:34

So we're discussing all of these if you have any discussion about any of those topics.

50:38

Councilman Bishop, and then uh I do have positive and planned and councilwoman Smith.

50:44

Yes, Ms.

50:45

President, we uh we fully vetted uh ordinances 840 6, 847, 848, 852 and 853 this morning municipal services, and we recommend for passage.

50:59

Thank you.

50:59

And uh I want to command Councilman Bishop and Ms.

51:02

Satan who have done an extraordinary amount of work on this to really get us to this point.

51:07

I want to thank the administration um really being very patient trying to move this along because this is a new way of doing business, and uh we wanted to make sure the council was comfortable as we move forward.

51:19

So thank you so much.

51:20

Uh Councilman Balency.

51:23

Thank you, Councilwoman Smith.

51:25

Thank you, Mr.

51:26

Chairman Light of the colleagues to the uh director and to the members of the administration at the table.

51:32

Um I'm gonna start with the uh 2025 CIP request.

51:39

Um the citywide park security camera program.

51:43

Um can you provide to us with parks and or playgrounds those cameras if we're holding up to uh through the chairman and the councilman?

51:52

I couldn't provide you with a list of of where the money has been spent so far.

51:57

This carryover has not been identified.

52:01

The parts for this, uh this would be carried over in the 2026, so I don't have the list of parts for that.

52:07

I'll make that requested so to receive that.

52:11

Um because it was my understanding on the cameras uh over the I don't know how many years that most of the rec centers um have received the security cameras already.

52:25

Correct.

52:27

And what and what about so you're telling me there's no parts that have to be so ms, yeah.

52:33

So Mr.

52:33

Chairman, uh, through the chairman and the councilman, we created this program in the capital improvement plan because parks did not have a source of funding for cameras.

52:44

Okay, so a couple we're doing a couple things currently.

52:48

One is that when we have a full park reconstruction, we should have we should make room in the budget for parks for cameras in that park.

52:59

But there's a a lot of parks out there that just aren't having uh don't have a project coming up for full park reconstruction.

53:09

We need some money for cameras, and this is you know, we heard you last week that we need more money in this category, but this isn't an attempt to start making um efforts towards having more cameras in parks.

53:20

Yeah.

53:21

Um, I'm a I'm a firm believer in the camera.

53:24

We know what I tell you.

53:26

I funded them to go up in my position, is that that's not something that the council individual members of the council should not have fund that should be a capital fund.

53:37

Capital part.

53:38

So then going to the uh 5050 sidewalk program on page in the district.

53:46

Um so the the 50, but we with that the 5050 CWD, that's where they put in the water lines, correct?

53:58

Yes.

53:59

Okay.

53:59

Then 5050 sidewalk program.

54:02

Um you've got to care, explain that you've got to carry over 250.

54:06

We talked about it briefly at the clock.

54:09

Did you know you ran out of money this year?

54:11

Yes.

54:11

So what are the prospects of having sufficient funds that have the meaningful 5050 program?

54:20

So, Mr.

54:21

Chairman, because through through the chairman of the councilman, so the the reason that 250 is in the carryover is because it's too late in the season to accept new money from residents, right?

54:33

And so this money plus additional money for next year will be budgeted for the 5050 program with uh an understanding of the number of residents who are now applying for the program.

54:48

We've had stumbles over the last couple years.

54:50

Now the program's working.

54:52

Now we need now we know that we need to fund it with additional money.

54:56

Okay, then the tree gambled sidewalk.

55:00

Um that's taking place right now, correct?

55:03

Correct.

55:03

So the tree damage sidewalk program through the chairman of the councilman is still the year after the roads are resurfaced.

55:12

Yep, and the sidewalk leveling happens the year that this that the roads are actually.

55:17

And so, where are we from the standpoint of getting caught up?

55:20

So we have um entered into contract for what we call the tree damage sidewalk recovery program.

55:26

Right.

55:27

You'll recall um council gave us some additional money.

55:30

We budgeted for it last year.

55:31

Yes, it's an almost $8 million project.

55:34

There's um two wards underway now, and the rest of the wards will be finished next year.

55:40

So the the tree damage sidewalk recovery program will finish at the end of next year, and that'll catch us up.

55:48

Okay, okay, then going to the um hold on, and going to the vehicle light and heavy vehicle acquisition.

55:58

Um my question is just to you and to whoever can answer uh really knowing here uh vehicle maintenance.

56:10

Why are we buying light pickup trucks?

56:13

I have a I have an F 150, and for what I use it for, it's sufficient.

56:21

Um I don't understand why we buy person for city divisions and departments where we're we're taking up stuff, we're throwing stuff in there, we're hauling stuff.

56:33

Why are we buying light pickups?

56:35

Why are we buying 250s or the Chevy equivalent to 2500?

56:39

Or I don't know what the dives are equivalent is, but why are we buying a heavy vehicle that's gonna last long?

56:47

I do not have an answer.

56:49

So through the chairman, the councilman, we did have the commissioner of DOV DMV this morning.

56:55

Um we did not think to invite them today, so I apologize.

56:59

I I just think again, Mr.

57:02

Chairman, I think we have to think long term, I believe we have to move long term, and if we're some of a heavier duty pickup is gonna last longer than a light duty pickup.

57:13

I can tell you that right now, the frames are stronger, the the there they have better engines in them, etc.

57:18

So I wish you know I I would have liked to bought a heavy duty truck myself, but the fact of the matter is for what I'm doing is sufficient, but for city departments and divisions, uh a 150 or uh I don't know what the Chevy equivalent is for that uh light duty uh again or badge.

57:39

I don't believe that's sufficient.

57:41

Uh the um go back down here.

57:44

So the the uh the amp the uh the ambulance underneath that those are the regular marine ambulances, correct?

57:52

Can you say that?

57:53

Under the MS correct.

57:55

Okay, and then the um we see what the other portion I have here.

58:00

Um are these in coordination with the state purchases?

58:11

Are we purchasing vehicles from the state to the chair to the councilman?

58:18

I'm not exactly sure they're purchased.

58:21

They purchased the state.

58:22

Okay, I'd like some clarification that this is in that program I forget what it's called, where we uh we go through the state requirement contract process, so we're supposed to get a better deal than if we went out at our own.

58:36

I just need some clarification, yeah.

58:41

To the chair, the councilman, we take a look at the state term pricing, yeah.

58:46

State term um 99% of the time, but it's cheaper than we can get by ourselves, so we do utilize that 99% of the time when we're buying vehicles.

58:54

So the 20 2025 carrier, those basically will take place next year.

59:02

Uh through the chairman and councilman, yes.

59:05

So those items would take place next year in addition to additional projects that we will that entire list would come to council in January as a 2026 capital improvement plan list.

59:20

Okay, and then so um, Mr.

59:22

Chairman, as we talked briefly in the uh pocket today, um, I just want to drive it home again.

59:30

Um the cameras, you gotta come over to city system wide program, you know, allocate, you know, I don't know what it five cameras per ward or six, something other where members do not have to take out of out of the scarce ballot, they have to do other projects.

59:49

This should be a citywide program, just like the 5050 sidewalk program should be a citywide program.

1:00:00

And other thing I want to touch on is on occasion within the 2025, 2027 CIP project list of I'm going to raise it again because I raise it every year.

1:00:15

A red break program.

1:00:16

We need a red brick street program, Mr.

1:00:19

Chairman to the director.

1:00:20

We had one.

1:00:22

We had one.

1:00:23

And we and let's figure out how to re-implement it.

1:00:27

We had one.

1:00:27

We had an east side group and a west side group working on red brick streets.

1:00:33

Where it went, I don't know.

1:00:34

But it went somewhere.

1:00:36

And if we can go back to that, the red brick streets will last to the second coming if they're repaired on a reasonable basis.

1:00:47

And it's beyond me why we don't, why people here at the city hall don't understand.

1:00:53

So I'm gonna I'm gonna rest my case there, Mr.

1:00:56

Chairman.

1:00:57

I'm thankful for the work that the chairman of the committee has done.

1:01:02

Um Mr.

1:01:03

Councilman Bishop and members of the committee.

1:01:06

Um but I want to distrust to the administration.

1:01:10

And I'm saying this from my perspective as the senior member.

1:01:14

We're being asked more than ever before the fund stuff.

1:01:20

But individual members of council are being asked more than ever before to take, we we have to we have to decide do we put stuff in neighborhood projects for initiatives, or do we have to fund these other capital items, which again, in my opinion, should be funded by the city.

1:01:36

We all have demands to place the funds for playgrounds, for parks, residential road resurfacing.

1:01:43

We're all trying to address these issues as best as we can.

1:01:47

And we all know what kind of terrible winter we had last year, what it did to our streets.

1:01:51

So at the end of the day, all I'm just saying is that council is really, and I applaud all my colleagues, they stuff up the plate as best as they can.

1:02:02

But I'm telling you, it's becoming more and more difficult because of the demands being placed on this.

1:02:08

Council members, I I have right now, I would estimate two dozen streets that want uh speed tables.

1:02:16

At least two dozen.

1:02:19

That should be the responsibility of the department to fund speed tables across the city.

1:02:25

The safety and security camera should be the response of the city to fund cameras across the city.

1:02:31

That's where I'm trying to drive this message over.

1:02:34

Mr.

1:02:35

Chairman voted the budget around.

1:02:37

That's gonna be my thing, man.

1:02:39

I'm I'm driving it home.

1:02:40

We we're being asked more than ever before to fund projects that we that I don't believe we should have to fund.

1:02:47

It should be the responsibility of the administration.

1:02:49

Thank you, Mr.

1:02:50

Chairman.

1:02:51

I totally agree, and uh that's something that we will be talking about doing the budget hearing because speed tables are the same way.

1:02:57

I know that you have a million dollars set up in the budget for speed tables, but the question is how is that going to be deployed?

1:03:04

That's something else we need to look at as well.

1:03:06

Okay.

1:03:06

Yeah.

1:03:07

Councilwoman Jenny Spencer.

1:03:12

Thank you, Mr.

1:03:13

Chair.

1:03:13

I agree with you.

1:03:14

There's been a lot of uh work leading up to this discussion today.

1:03:18

I understand there was a lot of discussions for I want to make sure and ask the microfold based piece to reconfirm the following.

1:03:30

Um that is 2025 carryover is guaranteed to be in the 2026 capital improvement.

1:03:41

Um the councilwoman, from our perspective, the administration's perspective, yes, but it has to go through council for approval.

1:03:50

So we will come to council in January for a list of approved proposal for them to approve of this slate project.

1:04:00

So from our perspective, each of these items will be on that list.

1:04:04

I cannot guarantee what a future council will agree or choose to change.

1:04:10

And then through the chair, however, the new process is meant to be faster, right?

1:04:17

So at this point, we're passing the scheme on this October.

1:04:20

So the purpose of the due process is under City Council in January.

1:04:25

These projects could actually begin to be implemented.

1:04:33

Um, through the chairs, councilman, great questions.

1:04:36

I don't know that I talked about this um this afternoon.

1:04:39

So if if I could uh repeat some things that I said this morning for the other council members, so um a couple things are happening here.

1:04:48

We're trying to um get a project list approved at the beginning of the year.

1:04:55

Um Department of Finance will finance those projects with um money that it has from rolling work.

1:05:00

Um Department of Finance will finance those projects with um money that it has from rollover, but what that does is um by approving a project list in the beginning of the year, that gives us the whole construction season, um, get ahead of it.

1:05:11

And what that means is that we're not selling bonds in one year to spend it in the next year.

1:05:16

So we're kind of breaking this bad cycle where take because we know funds are gonna come late in the year, you gotta get them the year before to spend them in the springtime.

1:05:26

So, yes, projects will both happen faster, if you will, from when council approves the list, but um more importantly, even is that you um you hit that construction season and you're not paying interest on the bonds until we know that we're actually encumbered in a contract or we purchase something.

1:05:46

So if you um if council approves a project that by the time say uh Halloween it's time to sell the bonds, if that project isn't ready to go, it's an approved project, but it's not on the funding list, so it would be on a future year's funding list, but as we're working towards that.

1:06:07

Okay, and then another question is I guess the best way to describe it related to bonding capacity.

1:06:15

So we're we're moving forward with about half, right?

1:06:21

About half of what was anticipated.

1:06:23

What happens to all that excess bonding capacity?

1:06:25

Is that get rolled into next year?

1:06:27

Or do we just hit the projects over call the chair?

1:06:32

Yeah, to the chair of the councilperson.

1:06:34

Um we still have the bonding capacity.

1:06:36

We would have had the capacity this year, but we didn't want to issue bonds again and sit on them, start paying interest, not do the spend on.

1:06:44

So we will have capacity next year.

1:06:45

Next year, with the carryover plus the new projects, it's going to be a pretty it's gonna be a bigger bond issuance.

1:06:52

Uh again, I just want to highlight what uh the director said about starting in in January.

1:06:59

As long as all the uh as long as the capital program goes forward the way we anticipate, we will be able to hit the ground running in January with projects.

1:07:08

Uh normally we're in the fall or the next year, so our hope is working with MOCAP and finance on this new program and with council uh is to start these projects right away.

1:07:19

Uh, right now we're in road roadway season's about to end, and we're still getting 8 million right now in roadway bonds.

1:07:26

Um we have to front some additionally to kind of swap a little bit of money to get the resurfacing done for the 8 million and we'll have to replace it.

1:07:32

That's why that's in here.

1:07:34

But we won't have to do that anymore on the new program on the new program.

1:07:37

We'll be able to hit the construction season in the year that we're in by the end of the year, whatever bonds we have contracts for.

1:07:45

So when we come back with those contracts, we're gonna know what the bid is.

1:07:50

We're gonna have a bid, then we'll uh take it to the council, we'll get certification, and we'll be borrowing the exact amount that the bid is for that.

1:07:58

So we're gonna borrow it closer to when we're gonna spend the money, uh, and then we're gonna spend it down quicker, so it's gonna alleviate a sitting on money paying interest, and B spend down a bonds in a in a timely manner, which we've had some issues over the years doing.

1:08:14

So it's gonna really uh solve a couple problems for the city.

1:08:18

Uh so we're looking really forward to working with MoCAP and council to make this work starting the new year and wrapping up this year.

1:08:26

Thank you.

1:08:26

Because I think that really completes my question.

1:08:30

So basically, we're doing uh fewer than expected bonds to be issued this year, but next year we anticipate a larger bond issuance and may have typical because we're doing curious projects as that active.

1:08:46

Through the chair to council person that's exactly correct.

1:08:49

Correct.

1:08:50

I don't know how people record Mr.

1:08:52

Chair, thank you.

1:08:53

Thank you.

1:08:54

Just out of uh curiosity, which I'm gonna actually just out of curiosity.

1:09:01

Why are we only doing buckeye one way from the buckeye road or sorry Shaker Boulevard going eastbound in the westbound is not made?

1:09:11

Oh uh Mr.

1:09:12

Chairman, if if that's in here, it is both directions on Shaker Boulevard.

1:09:17

So my apologies if it's if it says just one direction on here.

1:09:21

Uh Councilmaker has the same question this morning, but I didn't realize it was because it may have been written incorrectly.

1:09:26

Okay, yeah, but it's it's both these pennies.

1:09:31

And it's it's from all the way to from the city limit to about that.

1:09:35

Okay, yep.

1:09:36

All right.

1:09:36

Any other questions regarding these uh capital proposals?

1:09:40

All right, same.

1:09:42

No other questions.

1:09:44

Uh ordinance number 853, 850 852, 853.

1:09:51

Sorry, and as the director wanted something to say.

1:09:57

Well, no, but as amended, just oh yeah, yeah, I got definitely as amended.

1:10:00

Oh, yeah, yeah, I got definitely as amended.

1:10:01

Yeah.

1:10:01

All right.

1:10:02

Ordinance number 846-2025 as amended.

1:10:06

Ordinance number 847-2025 as amended.

1:10:10

Ordinance number 848-2025 as amended.

1:10:14

Ordinance number 852-2025 as amended.

1:10:19

And ordinance number 853-2025 as amended, stand approved.

1:10:24

Please sign on.

1:10:25

Thank you.

1:10:25

Thank you.

1:10:26

And once again, thanks everybody for all the hard work.

1:10:28

Um Councilman Bishop, Chairman Bishop, as well as uh Ms.

1:10:32

Satan and all of the administration.

1:10:36

Thank you.

1:10:37

One more piece of finance.

1:10:40

I believe that's the response.

1:10:47

One second, everybody.

1:11:12

Sorry.

1:11:17

All right.

1:11:18

Okay.

1:11:19

That's what I think.

1:11:20

All right.

1:11:21

The last piece of legislation is ordinance number 1078-2025 as amended by council council members Belistic, Bishop McGriffin by departmental request an emergency ordinance to amend the title and sections one and eleven of ordinance number 671-2025 passed June 2nd, 2025, relating to giving consent to the County of Cuyahoga for the resurfacing of Neff Road and to supplement the ordinance by adding least section A relating to pedestrian facilities.

1:12:05

One, in section three, add new section six A line three, at the end, add the following sentence.

1:12:18

The date of this is 929-25, uh signed by Sierra Lipscomb, Assistant Director of Law.

1:12:26

Director.

1:12:37

This is the county's this is part of the county's 5050 program.

1:12:41

And the city intends to include in this um work uh uh the sidewalk and railing underneath railroad tracks, which we've heard from council and residents um really need improvements, and the county wanted to make sure that we it was clear that the city is responsible for those additional costs and that those would be outside of the 5050's cost sharing.

1:13:06

So this um amendment simply makes that clear that upgrading and construction of pedestrian facilities um by the city is at the city's cost.

1:13:18

Okay, thank you.

1:13:19

Uh councilman Kevin Bishop.

1:13:23

Uh yes, Mr.

1:13:24

Chairman.

1:13:24

We better do this in municipal services more than fully recommended for passage.

1:13:29

Thank you.

1:13:30

Uh Councilman Michael Pelinsick, I believe this is the area you represent.

1:13:33

Mr.

1:13:33

Chairman uh the directors of foundation is correct.

1:13:37

The county and we have to uh put in our share and uh I would like colleagues in court.

1:13:43

Thank you very much.

1:13:44

All right, thank you.

1:13:45

Uh do we have any more questions regarding this ordinance?

1:13:49

Yes, Councilman uh Anthony Harrison.

1:13:52

Thank you, uh Mr.

1:13:53

Chair.

1:13:53

Uh as we discuss this morning, Mr.

1:13:56

Servant.

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See that this is uh uh movement.

1:13:59

I know we've been speaking about this and work through this for quite some time and you know uh through my conversation with Mr.

1:14:07

Polski, you know, the office, and the folks at the county um just about the condition of the bridge itself, the end of the end underneath the right-of-way kind of uh the uh sidewalks and the rails and fall.

1:14:20

There's a big piece of concrete that's sitting right at the uh age now sharp and uh St.

1:14:26

Clair that I hope we picked up uh very soon before requesting to have it picked up.

1:14:33

Uh this is this also proof parts of the OTN coming off.

1:14:36

We can begin right initially uh heading up to uh saying uh south.

1:14:42

So uh that's we should come added to this uh you know piece here, see that it's going to be both A and T.

1:14:52

Uh but CS next uh you know conversations are not really you know going too far.

1:15:00

You know, they've been you know um they they listen grab you know Jeff Cow and Gravity and also uh office as well conversations.

1:15:08

So hopefully we can continue the conversation with the counties and our congresswoman, state senators uh to join in the conversation and get some additional help uh with the bridge of stuff it is in need of uh is it's crappy, leaky.

1:15:26

Um it's in that shape.

1:15:28

So I hope we really you know how our apartments say we need your systems uh to get CSS to the you know uh step off the board just we need only uh right thank you.

1:15:42

Anything else to add?

1:15:46

All right, seeing no other questions, ordinance number 1078-2025.

1:15:52

As amended stands approved, please sign on.

1:15:54

Thank you.

1:15:56

That concludes today by next diversity and inclusion committee.

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This committee stands to journal until the next call of the church.

1:16:50

But also just want to say your leadership is going to be very much missed because you know where to go to get answers and questions, figuring out how to deal with different things in the neighborhoods, how to deal with the issues downtown, how to deal with the issues.

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Summary of Proceedings

Cleveland City Council Finance, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Committee Meeting - September 29, 2025

On Monday, September 29, 2025, at 6:03 PM, the Finance, Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Committee convened. Chair called the meeting to order with council members present: Councilman McCormick, Councilwoman Santana, Councilman Conwell, and others. The committee considered several ordinances, including a lease extension for the Community Police Commission, compensation for planning commission alternates, a public safety grant, and a series of capital improvement plan ordinances.

Community Police Commission Lease Extension (Ordinance 1166-2025)

  • The committee considered an emergency ordinance authorizing a one-year lease extension at 3631 Perkins Avenue. An amendment was made to change the name from "Cleveland Police Commission" to "Community Police Commission" throughout the ordinance, with legal approval dated September 25, 2025. Alex Norton, interim executive director, stated the extension is needed while exploring alternative spaces. Councilman Polensek asked about relocating to city-owned buildings and raised concerns about delays in ratifying police district commanders. Councilman Casey questioned whether the commission was paying trash removal twice; it was clarified they pay once. The ordinance was approved as amended.

City Planning Commission Alternates Compensation (Ordinance 984-2025)

  • City planning staff requested $187 per official meeting for alternates to address quorum issues, matching the Board of Building Standards' rate. Council members discussed whether the amount would incentivize participation and whether funds were already in the planning budget (yes). Two interested alternates have been identified. The ordinance was approved.

Public Safety Grant (Ordinance 950-2025)

  • The Ohio Department of Public Safety grant for FY2026 Impaired Driving Enforcement and Selective Traffic Enforcement Programs in the amount of $46,054 was presented. No cash match is required; funds cover overtime, educational materials, and transportation. The city has received this grant annually since 2008. Approved unanimously.

Capital Improvement Plan Ordinances (846, 847, 848, 852, 853-2025 as amended)

  • A series of companion ordinances authorizing capital projects for facilities, recreation, roads/bridges, and vehicle acquisitions were discussed. The administration presented the 2025 capital improvement plan, noting only projects ready for encumbrance this year are included; others will carry over to 2026. Several amendments were made: correcting "bond" to "bond or note" in three ordinances, and updating the vehicle lists for ordinances 852 and 853. The updated vehicle list includes heavy vehicles totaling $2,690,000 (e.g., loaders, trucks) and light vehicles totaling $2,690,000 (e.g., pickups, vans, SUVs) for various departments. Councilman Polensek criticized the use of light-duty pickups, urged citywide funding for cameras and speed tables, and asked about a red brick street program. Councilwoman Spencer clarified the new process: carryover projects are guaranteed for the 2026 capital improvement plan, and bonds will be issued closer to expenditure to avoid interest costs. All five ordinances were approved as amended.

Neff Road Resurfacing and Pedestrian Facilities (Ordinance 1078-2025 as amended)

  • An amendment clarified that the city is responsible for costs of upgrading pedestrian facilities (sidewalk, railing under railroad tracks) beyond the county’s 50/50 cost-sharing. Councilman Harrison noted the poor condition of the bridge and sidewalk and urged continued efforts with CSX and other partners. Approved.

Key Outcomes

  • Ordinance 1166-2025 approved as amended (lease extension)
  • Ordinance 984-2025 approved (planning alternates compensation)
  • Ordinance 950-2025 approved (public safety grant)
  • Ordinances 846, 847, 848, 852, 853-2025 all approved as amended (capital improvement plan)
  • Ordinance 1078-2025 approved as amended (Neff Road pedestrian facilities)
  • The committee adjourned, with thanks to Councilman Bishop and Ms. Satan for their work.

Meeting Transcript

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Mr. Gentel to the chair, I I think we need to there maybe need to be an amendment to this because it says Cleveland Police Commission. I think it needs to be community police commissioner. Is that the motion? It should be community police commission. All right, um, I'll let um councilman for listen make a motion and we'll go for the okay, thank you. All right, council community. That uh the uh language be changed to community police commission within the ordinance. All right. Uh actually, you know what? The amendment are located, and I'll just read it in because actually we have already made the amendment. Is there is no legal objection to this legislation if we're made it as follows. One in the title, line five, and in the referrals, whereas clause line three, strike Cleveland, and insert community. This was dated 925-25 by Lewis Smoot the third, assistant director of law. Thank you. Alright, thank you. Um I do believe uh Councilman Palencick has a question. Yes, chairman. Chairman, uh in and with the uh uh is it acting? Your acting interim. Will you please uh your last name? N-O-U, R U R E D. R E D. D I N E. Another D? Correct. D I and E. And how would you pronounce that? Nordine. Okay. So to Mr. Nordine, um, you are interim director or the community police commission. Okay. Um so go into the back to the legislation that is in front of us, and I have another question. But was it has there been any effort made? I'll say this to you, but also to Mr. Gentle. Was there any effort um made to possibly uh find the civil space in the city building? I think we're always looking to try to relocate, and I know there's been a space study. Right. Um, so right now they're need one more year where they're at, but hopefully uh and soon we'll start bringing back some of these people that we're releasing spaces back to city hall with the new space that we can't raise the past uh not as with this, but with other uh entities that are leasing space and you know we have city buildings, city facilities. So let's figure out how we can uh accomplish this uh this relocation. My last well, my next question is to Mr. Nordie. Um the um you know what I'm not even gonna believe. I would ask you to kind of take my office because I have some questions with regard to we're waiting almost two years for the Cleveland Police Department to have commanders certified or ratified by the commission, which I don't understand why it is taken so long. Division of police district commanders. I don't understand it for the lately why it is taken so long.

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