Good afternoon.

Today is Monday, October 13th, 2025.

This committee of finance, diversity, equity, and inclusion is called the order.

Madam Clerk, please call the role.

Here.

Present.

Present.

All right.

I don't think we have any guests.

So we're just going to go ahead and do the agenda.

Let's bring up uh city planning.

And then after city planning, public safety.

So city planning ordinance number twelve fifteen dash twenty twenty-five as amended by Council Members Harrison, Politic, and Griffin by departmental request, an emergency ordinance, the supplement, the codified ordinances of Cleveland, Ohio, nineteen seventy-six by enacting new section four oh one dot seven eleven relating to the definition of under speed vehicles and to enact sections four five zero dot oh one to four five zero dot oh eight and four five zero dot nine nine relating to underspeed vehicles.

And there is an amendment.

And also gives a um authority to the director of public safety to establish rules and regulations to govern the use of under speed vehicles, golf carts associated with businesses in the city of Cleveland.

It also sets up an annual inspection requirement that the Bureau of Traffic will conduct where each golf cart has to be inspected and certified that it meets the requirements in this ordinance.

The businesses are also required to keep information on their business and authorized drivers on record with the Bureau of Traffic.

And the Bureau will take in service area maps for each business and transmit those to city council through the clerk.

So this is an initial introduction of golf carts legally on city streets to support small businesses.

Like I said, we are joined by two representatives here today who can talk through their business models.

But the overall goal is to provide mobility opportunities and options, especially between entertainment districts or in neighborhoods where distances might be a little bit too far to walk, but don't necessarily necessarily necessitate travel by car.

Good afternoon, Chair and Committee.

The division of our police and more specifically Commissioner Gordon Holmes and his staff did vet this uh legislation.

Um their concerns were and questions were answered.

So uh we are good with this particular legislation.

And also it does give me the direct public safety the ability, the uh the authority for rules and regulations and also the ability and authority to to limit the locations and areas of these uh um golf carts if that becomes an issue.

Okay.

Commissioner, did you want to add anything?

Good.

Yeah, I'm good.

Okay.

All right.

Uh just a couple of questions.

First of all, I know that this was uh debated uh vigorously in uh public safety, but just a couple of things.

How would you determine zones that you would exempt or zones that you would regulate?

Because I know that there's always suggestions to use golf carts in order to take people back and forth to uh parking lots and parking locations.

I can speak, for example, in Little Italy.

I know there's a proposal uh to try to have people monitor, I mean, uh take golf carts to try to take uh customers back and forth to lots where they park their cars.

So how would you determine the need?

How would you actually determine what districts you would allow this to happen, what districts you would have to the chair.

Um as we were discussing this and talking with the businesses, there are currently no restrictions on service areas.

We're very interested in seeing what the demand is and and not ruling out certain neighborhoods or districts from the beginning, but the ordinance does give the director of public safety the authority should issues emerge to restrict service areas.

It also gives him and the authority, as with any vehicle, to restrict access around special events.

And so in safety as well as with the businesses.

We've talked, for example, about the Brown schemes, there are certain traffic restrictions, those would also apply to these golf carts.

But at this point, as we're entering a new program, we didn't want to be overly regulatory about what could happen just to just have the uh authority in place should it be needed to preserve public safety.

Thank you so much, Director.

And just so that you know, I agree there's a lot of variables that can take place.

I mean, you look at weather, you look at traffic patterns of traffic at the time of day.

Um I mean, I could like I said, I could use little Italy, for example, if it's a day like today.

Um it's going to be crowded up there or during the feast, so it's going to be hard to navigate with that.

So I'm just trying to figure out how and when do we actually look at this, but what you're saying is it's pretty much learning as we implement and then give the director um an opportunity to make adjustments as he sees fit.

Will that be done in consultation with the council member of that standing area?

Through the chair, absolutely.

And obviously, if uh there isn't a call to restrict those, obviously, we'll include the uh council members in that conversation in those conversations.

Okay.

Oh, I would hope so because it's been lately a few arbitrary decisions that we want to make sure that council should have some feedback in the process.

Um, how do we look at the zones?

Like where would they actually be allowed to um ride?

Because, for example, um, I never forget a group of young people were riding their bikes and everybody was upset because they thought it was a street takeover, and then they very astutely said, but this is a shared lane.

Um, how will they be regulated?

Because one of the things we want to be careful about is putting them on roads that might be shared lanes or something like that, and people using those kind of vehicles and um having problems with some of the other safety or other vehicles around safety.

So how would we determine some of those things?

One of the provisions of the state requirements is that these vehicles be only allowed on streets with 35 mile per hour speed limits or lower.

That's our local street network, basically.

Um they would not be authorized to operate on interstates because of that higher speed limit.

Um they are by virtue of this ordinance subject to all vehicular traffic laws, and so they would operate in the road as any other vehicle subject to all of those laws.

As part of the application process, each business will provide their own service area map to police that will then be shared with council, as I stated before, that's written into the ordinance through some conversation that we had with development planning and sustainability committee.

Um and and then above and beyond that, the director of public safety has the authority to restrict further, should it be needed?

Well, last but not least, and uh and and I'll turn it over to my colleagues for a few questions.

Um I'm really also concerned about safety around this, um, not just from a vehicle safety standpoint, but um somebody just wants to start a golf cart business and you know start shipping people around in certain neighborhoods and um something happens, then you know, is there gonna be liability issues or people going to start saying, well, the city should do a better job of protecting us?

So I just hope that we're thinking about safety on this too, because um I could just see this as being unfortunately where um if somebody doesn't have a very good business model that it could be some challenges around safety as well.

So um please keep that in mind as well.

Okay.

Uh I have Councilman Michael Palency, and do I have anybody else?

Councilman Michael Palency.

Thank you, Councilman Kevin Bishop.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Mr.

Chairman, as you indicated, we had a lengthy discussion in the um safety committee about this piece of legislation and uh both of the um present um two operators testified as well.

Uh so I appreciate that.

But I do have a couple questions as a result um of phone calls that I have received since uh the safety committee last met last week.

Uh to commissioner uh through the chair to Commissioner Holmes.

How many traffic officers do we have at present working under your auspices?

Right now we have 20.

20.

So I know that's down uh significantly from what it used to be.

So how are your officers uh going to how is your section going to regulate the golf carts?

Through the chair to the councilman.

We are going to instruct our officers exactly what can and cannot happen.

Uh most of them know rules of the road.

Yeah.

Um we are in the districts each day.

We we uh take a different district each day, and we saturate that, and then once a week we have uh operations with the Ohio State Patrol and all the district craft cars, and we saturate one district a week for that.

But most importantly, it's the training.

Uh we we are working through radio right now to have something in the CAS system that for instance, whoever's business it is, these are the listed drivers, these are the permit numbers and things like that.

So you don't we'll have the master copy at the office, and then radio is gonna have a copy as well.

So you don't think this will be an issue from an administration's standpoint of trying to govern the golf carts, the operators?

No, it it hasn't been even um with with the initial rollout of of you know the scooters and and some of these bikes, things like that.

It really wasn't.

We just have to educate our personnel on what can and cannot happen.

Okay.

So then the other question was posed to me, uh, Mr.

Chairman, to um director um of city planning and to the director of public safety.

Uh since this is a program just getting started, why don't we limit the number of operators right out of the gate?

Limit it to 10.

Because if we have a proliferation of golf carts on the street, as some of these callers have indicated to me, it could create a problem from an administration standpoint.

Governance, the council president uh alluded to a couple issues.

So I want to hear your thoughts about limiting it to 10 operators.

We have two that we know of that are here, but for a trial base, it's limited to 10.

We could always expand that, but why not just limit it to 10 out of the gate to the councilman through the chair?

When we think about putting caps on it, I think there's a question about number of operators and also number of vehicles, because we do expect that any given operator would have multiple potential vehicles as part of their business model.

At this point, because they operate multiple units, that's something.

But I'm talking about ten companies.

At this point, I um I think we're very interested in learning what sorts of applications businesses have for golf carts.

Um in our conversations, it didn't make sense to restrict right out of the gate because we don't know what those interests might be.

There could be operators operating in different parts of the city and different neighborhoods.

It just didn't seem um in the best interest of the business community as well as service to residents to put a cap on it.

Uh at this point, I feel that would be a little bit arbitrary, and and we would have to take it on a first come person first served basis, which would um potentially we don't want to be in the position of choosing between businesses, right?

So I think first come first serve would be the only fair way to do it at this point.

However, we as we have discussed, there is the authority to put caps on it should there be an issue or to uh pause the license issuance should that be needed.

Okay, but you regulate Department of Public Safety regulates how many tow operators there are in the city.

Yeah.

We do in the Department of Public Safety, but to the director's point, um we have the ability to restrict.

We have to lead to restrict areas.

Okay.

Um also after an assessment, the initial assessment again, we can restrict areas.

Um also the number of of uh potential businesses as well.

But I think you have to give the businesses the opportunity.

Let's conduct our assessment and then go from there.

Okay.

Well, again, I'm gonna I'm gonna you know, put that throw that on the table because again, um you don't want a proliferation where then people are not um it's not to their financial best interest to be an operator in the city of Cleveland.

So I want again, I'm gonna oppose that because you have if you have a flood to the market, then that is not gonna work as well.

It won't work.

Um because if people aren't gonna make money, they're not gonna do this.

That's the reality.

They're not doing it for charity work, they're gonna do it because they want to make money.

I'm assuming directing at the two operators, you're not in the charity business, correct?

That's correct.

Okay, I'm glad to hear that.

To the councilman, through the chair to the councilman.

Um just for some context there, it's about 12 to 17,000 for a street legal golf cart.

Yeah.

So just for context, it's not like there's going to be, you know, people just popping up and flooding the streets with street legal golf cart.

I understand.

And then my last point is this.

Then the people who call me, homeowners who want golf carts.

That's right.

So the folks who are living in the quote unquote trendy neighborhoods who called me from Tremont, Ohio City, from sections of Detroit's Detroit shoreway, who want to be able to r run around in their neighborhoods in golf carts.

And why aren't they being allowed to do so?

So I would ask so, because that's not my call, and uh because I believe as I said to them, this is for businesses to transport.

This is not for you to go to the West Side Market.

Okay.

So would you two care to comment about individuals operating so that they don't start calling council members asking us so they can run golf carts in the city?

To the councilman through the chair, a lot of the discussion around this ordinance has been how to strike the right balance between allowing golf carts to be introduced to the streets and not opening the floodgates.

I think your questions are sort of following that theme as well.

In our discussions, we collectively felt that offering operations for business purposes was a good and responsible way to start, so that we didn't have a prolifer proliferation of golf carts.

There was a mechanism for the inspections to happen for registered drivers to be kept on file.

So we could really see how things roll out, learn our on our own streets about how these are operating on Cleveland.

Commissioner Holmes talked about education and ramping up the inspections.

This felt like a very responsible place to start.

There's nothing to say that we couldn't come back to council in the future, or council couldn't bring this up in the future to continue to open the door.

But as with anything new on the streets, we want to be sure that we are keeping streets as safe as possible, increasing mobility options while trying to keep the um potential downsides and trade-offs as limited as possible.

Okay.

Director, through the chair, director Roman.

I have to echo what uh the director just said.

Uh we're in we're in full agreement.

Okay.

So then to the viewing public, do not call your council members because we cannot authorize golf carts on the street.

I know the council president wants to drive around little lately in a golf cart, but we can't let them do that.

Okay.

So it's only for businesses, for businesses operating within the city of Cleveland.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And uh before I move to Councilman Bishop, we do have two guests at the table.

Could they announce who they are so that everybody could become familiar with them?

Yeah, hi uh my name is uh Bob Polk and I'll be one of the ones doing it.

Uh Leisure Tours Cleveland, it's called.

Um I've been giving tours in the city since 2011 on bicycles.

And now as I'm getting older and some of the people don't always want to ride bicycles, I saw this as an avenue to be able to still do my tours and uh you know shoulder people around the city.

Thank you.

My name is Chris Taylor.

I'm one of the operators as well.

I represent the golf curl, golf cart girl CLE.

Um this started a couple years ago with Cali.

Um and Commissioner Holmes knows as well.

Um I was on the streets with golf carts.

I did not realize that they were illegal at the time.

So we submitted for this ordinance.

Um for us, it's about um getting the city more connected from entertainment district to entertainment district, um, limited mobility folks, things like that.

Um we just we want to do point point A to point B.

We'll get into a couple tours, maybe something like that, but that's kind of where we're at as well.

Thank you.

And let me say this.

I think the idea actually makes sense because when you look at districts that want to be connected, I was working overtime to try to find out how we can have a loop that goes between uh Little Italy University Circle, Shaker Square, Larchmere.

And um, you know, this may be helpful.

So at some point in time, Mike, we may have Ward 6 look like Putin Bay.

So don't uh don't uh count it out because uh I think it would be a cool thing if we were able to do that.

So Councilman Kevin Bishop.

Uh thank you, Mr.

President.

Mr.

President, I uh I'm I'm sorry that I I didn't catch this during the uh safety committee because I did have some questions about it.

Um so I want to understand we are trying to allow operators to operate these golf courts only in certain zones.

Is that what I'm hearing through to the to the chair through the director?

Director.

To the councilman through the chair.

No, at this point there are no restricted zones.

There are two things that apply to geography.

One is that each business has to submit a proposed service area map as part of their application to the Bureau of Traffic, just for us to keep on record.

And we through an amendment made at DPS, we'll be sharing those with the impacted council members as well, just so you have awareness of potential golf cart business related activity in your ward.

The other geographic related element is that this ordinance does give the authority to the director of public safety to restrict service areas should they be needed.

So we're we're not starting out from a point today of any restrictions.

So uh we are granting these golf courts to hand pick uh businesses in the city of Cleveland, is that what I'm hearing?

To the councilman through the chair, there's no hand picking.

The application is available to anyone.

Um by virtue of applying the golf cart has to be inspected and approved by the Bureau of Traffic.

And then uh the business has to have some documentation on file as well as the authorized drivers on record with the police.

At this point, there's no cap.

Um anyone who wishes to can apply and go through that process to receive approval.

Okay, because you you know I I I am not on board with um not just what with what Councilman Polencic has said that you know, if if as a resident, if I want a golf cart, or if somebody else in other neighborhoods wants a golf cart, if they are riding golf carts downtown, I think we should all be uh have the ability to have golf carts.

With all fairness, uh if golf carts are not safe in the neighborhoods, they shouldn't be putting on the streets in downtown Cleveland.

They're not safe in downtown Cleveland.

Also, so Mr.

President, I am not on board this uh piece of legislation uh as it stands right now, so please you can count me as a no-pope.

Thank you, Councilman.

And uh Council President, can I clarify?

I can uh let you respond, but uh once again, I think that's what council councilman bishop is saying, is what all of us saying is like we don't want this being limited to one or two areas.

And that's why I think we need to try to understand how is this able to be operating in other areas.

But to your point, go ahead.

To Councilman Bishop through the chair.

There is no restriction to operating in neighborhoods.

This ordinance authorizes any business interest to go to the Bureau of Traffic, apply, get their golf cart approved, and do their business in the city of Cleveland, whether it's neighborhood specific, citywide, et cetera.

Whatever their business model is, this is a mechanism to authorize the golf carts on the street if it's associated with the business.

Thank you.

But to everybody's point, we gotta have some kind of standard operating procedures so that nobody feels like a decision was made to arbitrarily uh count somebody out because of a certain area.

And that's what we want to try to avoid.

I think his uh apprehension is the same as mine and everybody else.

Um if I have somebody wants to open up a business on Bug Guy, the shuttle people between Larch Mir, Buckeye, and um Shaker Square, they should be able to do it.

If it's any neighborhood in the area.

So I just want to make sure that we don't inadvertently um have a bias policy where we cannot um have standard operating procedures and how we're approving these.

Through the chair, uh great points you're bringing up also, Councilman uh through the chair through Councilman Bishop.

Understand your point uh point well taken.

Um the requirements are the same for anyone across the board, the two gentlemen that are sitting here, um others who may be in your neighborhood or ward six, uh my mom lives in ward six by the way in that particular area, wherever may be the requirements gonna be the same, have to have a business model.

Uh they have to get their golf carts inspected by the Bureau of Traffic to have a licensed drivers.

It's the same no matter if you're downtown.

Um in uh councilman Polenzix area, your area, uh Councilman Conwell, wherever the case might be, the requirements are going to be the same.

If I thank you.

Uh Councilman Brian Casey.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Mr.

Chairman, to the commissioner, what is your capacity for inspecting um golf carts?

How many golf carts do you think you could inspect uh either at a time or within a week?

Well, I I'm sorry.

To the chair through the councilman.

Um we we have two commercial vehicle uh uh enforce enforcement.

So they inspect you know uh trucks and things like that.

So we we just our website or I'm sorry, our email uh bot.clevelannohio.gov just went up.

We will schedule those as you know time allots.

We have one of them is on day shift, one of them is on afternoon shifts.

So I mean we could probably do you know ten in a day, I would say at most that will allow us to still continue to serve the other citizens.

Right.

So, Mr.

Chairman, to um director uh uh just as I brought up during finance, I mean during uh during safety, right?

So you need to have your certificate from the state that you're a legitimate business, right?

So I researched that and found out that that certificate will cost you anywhere from five to fifty dollars.

Okay.

Um so Brian decides he's gonna go and get that certificate, right?

And it's BK transport, whatever.

I take it down to the commissioner and have him inspect that golf cart, because I have one.

And now there's nothing stopping me from touting around the whole city because I'm a legitimate business, and you can't prove that I'm not transporting or I am transporting because I'm a legitimate business with my certificate from the state.

It's been inspected, but then I can use that golf cart as BK transport to tout around the neighborhood, correct?

I mean that that's one of the loopholes to this piece of legislation.

To the councilman through the chair, yes, to prove your business identity, we do require uh certificate of good standing from the Secretary of State to go with your application packet.

I think anything beyond that would be up to the enforcement arm and if it is very apparent that your activities are not associated with business activity, that's illegal per the this correct, but you I'm coming to you as BK transport, correct?

What I'm just throwing that out there.

You don't know what I'm transport that I'm transporting, or I I I'm giving people rides around West Park, or I'm going to see the council president instead of taking my my vehicle, I'm I'm driving my golf cart.

I mean, you there's no restrictions on the businesses itself because we can't restrict the business, right?

I mean you can't or if I put my kid in my in the in in the golf cart and we both go to visit the council president, now I'm transporting somebody, because there's no there's no you're not following whether I'm making money in the business or not.

I just have to be in good standing, which is a certificate from the state, right?

So uh that's one of that's another a loophole that I that I see in this this possibly um being our city, you know, influx with you know golf carts or whatever they are.

Uh and the second point is these are not allowed on city street, I mean city sidewalks, correct?

These have to stay on streets.

That's correct.

Streets 35 miles or below.

Okay.

I mean that I just wanted to, I brought I brought that up in safety, uh did the research on how to get a certificate of good standing.

It's not that difficult.

Um and then it's none of the city's business how I'm what I'm doing, right?

It's just I'm transporting, I'm BK transport, I've got my certificate.

The commissioner signs off on my golf cart, and away I go just be bopping around ward 16.

To the councilman through the chair, the application form does require you to put a description of your business activity in the application.

And we also expect you to have any licenses or additional permissions that you need for whatever your business activity is.

That's also included in the arguments here.

Which are not difficult to get in this case.

So I just wanted to bring that that up as well.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Thank you.

Um I think whatever a business owner takes this on, uh there's going to be a lot of um growing pains in this thing.

So I wish everybody the the luck.

I I love trying new things like this.

Um I just know that it's going to be fraught with a lot of um risk.

Um but just out of curiosity, how do we let weather play a factor into this?

It's probably wouldn't be a great idea to be out there in uh Cleveland with uh snowstorm or very cold weather.

Um is that just a business decision that somebody has to make?

Okay.

You gotta be out for Browns games, Council Chairman.

Yeah, okay.

That's the Browns fans are out.

That doesn't matter.

Okay.

Mr.

Chairman, that that's really problematic for even bicycles.

Like we we aren't asking council to pass anything that bicycles aren't allowed to do them.

Whether you're delivering food downtown or food to the neighborhoods, or church says, hey, we want to use this to deliver food to our parishioners.

That that's that's up to them.

But but the it's the rules of the role, just like bicycles, just like scooters are supposed to operate, just like vehicles are supposed to operate.

Well, the one thing uh I'm going back to Councilman Casey, but the one thing that I really think that it would be good for this council to do is to be able to have like a review after maybe about six months to make sure that we understand how this is operating, where we need to tighten up some things and go from there.

Councilman Brian Casey.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Uh that brings up another point, Mr.

Chairman of the Commissioner.

What if one of their drivers or one of the drivers who are are decides they're gonna start door dashing with this?

Right?

Or and I mean it's allowed, correct?

I mean, this isn't just for human transport, correct?

Chair to the councilman.

Um I'm sorry, Brian and I went to the case.

I have known each other long enough.

Um yes, that that could be anything.

It could be law firms needing, you know, law papers delivered or or packets delivered, maybe even the director will let me have one.

I yeah, I don't you know what I mean.

So it it it encompasses not just transporting people, it can transport, you know, any the clinic could use it, case could use it, Cleveland State could use it.

It it really is all encompassing.

Okay.

So this is not just for human transformation of bodies from point A to point B.

This could be I could start door dashing now in Ward 16.

Yeah, through the chairs, it's part of their business model.

Okay.

All right, that's good to know.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh any other questions regarding ordinance number 1215-2025.

Uh I know that uh councilman bishop wanted to be recorded as a no.

Could you record Councilman Bishop as a no?

Um I believe everybody else is good.

So seeing no other questions, ordinance number 1215-2025 as amended, stands approved.

Thank you so much.

Please sign on.

Public safety is here for the next one.

All right.

Yes.

Thank you.

All right, this is ordinance number 1082-2025 by Council members Polinsic and Griffin by departmental request and emergency ordinance authorizing the directors of public safety and finance to enter into one or more contracts with Heritage Health Solutions Inc.

for medical billing services for inmates and prisoners for the departments of public safety and finance for a period of one year with two one-year options to renew exercisable by the director of finance.

Director.

All right, through the chair to the committee.

So this is a bill uh requesting to allow us to enter into a contract with Heritage Health for prisoner medical building.

Um as you know, when someone gets arrested in the city, uh we are responsible for their medical costs until they're handed over to a third party, mainly the the county uh in most instances.

Uh an RFP was put out for these services.

Uh current provider medical mutual um also responded to the RFP.

So out of these six responses, we felt that Heritage had the best response.

They also are cheaper than the incumbent.

Uh and they offer certain services uh like an online portal, which are new and will improve services in general.

So with that, we have uh the commissioner of risk, um Ed Romero and April Bucci from RISC as well to answer any questions as well as public safety.

Thank you.

Uh anybody else?

Okay.

Through the chair also for at the uh safety committee meeting or uh information is required, and I want to add in there as well that historically the cost of the medical claims and administrative fees have been budgeted in the division of corrections and the amount of about 750,000 dollars.

We anticipate the amount to be that amount to be sufficient um for this contract.

We believe the amount may be lower, but that's what uh annually annually has been budgeted for um prisoner pay.

I mean the medical pay.

Or bills, I'm sorry.

Could you say that amount again?

750,000.

And that's based on how many prisoners.

Just not based on prisons.

That's just the estimated uh amount.

It's not necessarily amount of prisoners.

Interesting.

Because didn't we have a conversation about capping the amount of medical expenses that we were having at some point in time or not?

We never have.

No, no.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

All right, Consident Pillency.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Honorable colleagues.

We s we discussed this um piece of legislation at length.

And we just wanted to be assured that no city employees were losing their jobs, and we are sure that that was not the case, correct?

Through the chair to Councilman Palency.

That is correct.

Okay.

And we support it overwhelmingly, Mr.

Chairman.

Okay.

Any other questions regarding ordinance number 1082 dash 2025?

Seeing other questions, ordinance number 1082 2025 stands approved, please sign off.

All right, we will now move to finance.

All right.

First is ordinance number 1216 dash 2025 by Councilmember Griffin by departmental request to establish the local government test fund.

Director.

Thank you.

Through the chair to the committee.

So this is to establish a local government test fund required by law.

It's for uh closing costs reserves for the ridge road transfer station.

So as you're aware, the city picks up garbage, goes to a transfer station, gets dropped off, and then a vendor takes it to a landfill.

Um the law has changed.

This previously was in waste, but now we're required to create a special revenue fund for this, um, which can also be used towards EPA remediation.

Uh the amount is approximately 200,000.

Um, but again, we are requesting this because of uh a change in law.

So in essence, we're doing from what my great policy team told me.

This is in essence what we sort of do with gas stations.

Like you have to have a certain amount of money set aside whenever there is a tank in order to be able to guarantee that you can remove in that tank in an environmentally sound way.

So pretty much this is like back stopping um anything associated with the ridge road transfer station, right?

Yeah, to the chair that's correct.

We in no way expect you know the transfer center to close, but this gives us, you know, this is a required backstop for that in case there were closing costs, and also covers any EPA remediation we would need to cover.

So I I hope everybody you know understands this.

This is pretty much a state law now requiring that we have to have a certain amount of money in place guaranteed so that if the ridge road transfer station was to ever close, we would have to clean it up, we would have to have certain things in place um and we have to have an account and to do that.

And we do it with gas stations and other uh type of venues in the city already.

So um pretty par for the course.

Any other questions regarding 1216-2025?

Councilman Michael Panel.

I the question I have, Mr.

Chairman, how is the dollar amount established?

The uh each year we have a report done by our independent auditors.

Yeah.

So we have to have that also.

It gives us the price.

Um previously we were able just to budget us in waste as a line aim and an operating budget that we never spent, but we were required to reserve it, but now the new loss requires it to be in a special fund separate.

So that's why uh we're asking to have this.

But we get a report every year that we create during our that the auditors do during the audit that gives us the amounts.

They estimate the cost of closing it.

Okay, so Mr.

Chairman, just briefly.

So it's not a it's not a yearly amount, correct?

Through the chair, the council personal that money will sit there.

Now the amount may go up, so we'll come back to council if it goes up by 10,000 or whatever the number is, so we may be coming back to get additional money each year if it goes up, but that money will sit there.

It doesn't get spent unless we close the station.

So that'll just sit in the subfund.

Again, we have no plans of closing the ridge road transfer station.

It's required now to have that money on hand, whatever the estimate is, in the event it is closed.

It's uh so then just the follow-up.

So then where we have um fueling stations within the city, which we do.

Are we required to do the same on the fueling stations?

Through the chair, I'm not aware of that.

Uh I haven't seen that.

We might we might have that.

It's not something that we've looked at, so maybe it's being handled by MBM, but uh I'm not aware of that one.

This is one handled by finance because it's part of the audit um through the Ohio EPA and that report.

So I would just make a request uh not to believe it point through the uh chair to the director.

If we with regard to our fueling stations that we have several, in fact, we have one right down here, Joseph's dams.

Um are we required do we have money set aside on all the fueling stations as well?

And I'll leave it at that and report again.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

No, through the chair to the councilman we'll get that for you.

Okay, thank you.

So if we can get that uh um Ms.

Majestar to make sure that we have that follow-up request.

And uh, you know, um just back to the councilman's point.

I would anticipate, even though I don't know if I'm right or not, that the cost would be associated with what would be the estimated cost that EPA would require in order to clean up that property.

So EPA every year, do you guys have to look at an adjustment to what EPA may charge and that price may go down or up, depending on that.

And number two, is this fund specifically used for that, which means that we can't dip into it for anything else?

Uh yes, uh, we'll go up or down based upon that report.

We'll again we have an independent order that will do that at cost estimates cost estimization every year.

And that's the amount we're required to put in there.

And that the special revenue fund is specifically only if the ridge road stand uh station closes to remediate it.

It cannot be used for anything else.

It has to be used for that if it closes.

So if it doesn't close, that money will just be sitting in the special revenue.

And is that special revenue gain interests?

Uh through the chair of the councilperson, yes, it'll be it'll be part of the coming on interest.

So will we run into a problem like we did about six months ago where we gain money on interest, and because we gain money on interest, we actually get a penalty similar to what we did the one time with uh when we had um an increase in uh in uh the bottom line because the uh interest rates went down.

Uh, through the chair of the councilperson, because this is coming on issues uh interest and not bond interest, there will be no problem.

As much as we can call it what interests?

Uh bond entrance.

This is not bond.

This is not bond what interests is it?

This is just a commingal cash position or a non-bond money.

Non-bond money legal cash position.

Okay.

Yes, thank you.

All right.

No other questions, or do we have any other questions?

Ordinance number 1216-2025 stands approved.

Thank you.

Please sign on.

Okay.

Next we have ordinance number 1224-12 2025 by Councilmember Griffin by departmental request and emergency ordinance to provide for the transfer and amendment of $350,000 within the general fund.

Director.

Yeah, through the chair to the committees is the transfer ordinance.

Essentially, uh we've had a larger than uh normal class with firefighters.

Um so we've got 12 additional firefighters that we wanted to make room for so we could bring them on immediately.

In order to do this, we're gonna transfer or requ requesting the transfer of 12 of the vacancies from police to fire temporarily until attrition basically wipes out that deficit, and then we plan to move them back.

Um and the 350,000 covers those 12 firefighters for the remainder of the year.

Okay.

So these are just basically unfilled police positions that make up that 350,000.

To the chair, that's correct.

Now, when you look at 350,000, you have a base pay of approximately 80 something thousand, but then you also have overtime, you have equipment, and you have about 35 percent that you usually spend for uh fringe and benefits.

So how is that only $350,000 for 12 employees?

Yes, so to the chair, this is just till the end of the year.

Uh, we're already in October.

So it's not a full year, no.

We you know, at the end of the year, we usually come back with another transfer ordinance and supplemental.

Um so if we were in a position where attrition had taken those positions away, uh you know, to the point where we're breaking even, then we could move those vacancies back to police.

So just so that we know we won't really need to watch that in safety and public safety so that we can make sure councilman uh polinsick when we do that to make sure that those 12 positions are restored into the uh police department if I'm hearing that correctly.

And through the chair, if I also can I can also add, um right now, I believe we are total of eight right now over the budget amount.

Um we're at uh 765 for a division of fire.

Uh at least that's where we are budgeted for.

I'm sorry, that's where right now we're budgeted for 757.

So we are about eight over right now.

We anticipate uh a couple more firefighters are trading out before the end of the year, and then next year, of course, they're gonna trip down as uh uh Director Barrett says that the money will be or the positions will be put back into the division of police.

Okay.

And I know Councilman Mike Balencic and Councilman Casey have questions.

But um, just out of curiosity, we're taking 350,000 from police.

Does that mean we don't have an overtime uh issue this year, and that the Pittman uh staffing strategy actually worked, that we won't have a large overtime budget this year through the chair uh or the uh overtime budget is over for the division of police however our staffing because we we're not meeting our full staff and uh we're able to cover those uh those expenses.

Okay.

Councilman Polenzik, then Councilman Casey.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Mr.

Chairman, uh to the directors.

I don't I don't understand why this didn't come to public safety for discussion and piece of legislation, because I thought it should this would be pertaining to both police and fire, so that it might my number.

So, Chair to Chair through the chair through Councilman Polenzik, that's certainly on me, not um Director Barrett, uh Barrett and I had conversations and so forth.

So, as you know, we meet every week, so that that's that's that's on me, not not Director Barrett.

Because it was never brought up in our discussions that we meet again weekly, so I'm I'm um Okay, uh I will overlook it this time, but uh you understand where I am at.

I believe the safety committee is important and issues that affect the division of of uh uh Department of Public Safety, Division of Police and Division of Fire, I'm certainly want to be aware of.

So explain to me at this point then.

You're gonna take so I so I understand this.

You're taking the money out of the funds out of the division of police, correct?

How much?

Through the Chair to the Councilman, $350,000, which equates to 12 head count, which was the original number that Director Drummond and I had discussed.

And you're transferring that into fire?

Through the chair to the councilman, that's correct.

Okay.

So we passed our we passed the budget in April calling for the hiring of 181 police officers.

Where are we with regard to that number?

Through the chair, I'll get that information for you.

I don't have that currently in front of me.

But as you know, we have had several academy classes graduate.

But I can get to the total amount of uh, so we had graduate.

It's not totally 180 right now, but I'll get you the number.

I know that.

That's what concerns me.

Um because we had a we had that discussion internally within the the body.

Um we came to the res the resolution that we wanted to keep 180 new hires in a division of police.

And so again, I appreciate the the steps that have been taken by the administration to ramp up hiring, but we're not anywhere near where we need to be in hiring.

And when you look at these growing concerns that are being uh expressed to council members, especially as patrols and visibility, and then this uh rampant um break-in of vehicles in the city that we're seeing from one end of the city to the other.

Um in fact, I was told last week in one neighbor on the west side, 60 cars were broken into.

Sixty cars in one day were broken into.

And so I'm just you know, we need visibility.

We have asked repeatedly for the Ohio Highway Patrol to come up here in force uh to do traffic enforcement so we can um uh so they can augment the vision of police.

At every neighboring meeting I go to, I at I'm getting the request of um traffic enforcement.

They want traffic enforcement.

And today we learned that there is only 20 officers in traffic, and we all know that a lot of the times they are tied up downtown.

So from the standpoint of our neighborhoods, we're not getting the traffic enforcement we need to have.

So all I am saying is this, Mr.

Chairman, to the directors, that um you are moving money out of the division of police into fire, and I understand that, and you said you are going to be coming back with a transfer ordinance.

I am assuming when will that transfer ordinance come before us?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, it usually occurs at the end of the year when we tie out our budget.

But again, I just want to drive home.

This issue, we need police on the street.

We need police on the streets and I can't be more uh emphatic about that.

So um I'm going to support this but any other changes movement of funds, Mr.

Chairman must become come through the safety committee.

Thank you.

Third chair certainly understand also if I can real quick chair uh to councilman uh polensic so it's certainly understanding again uh we'll make sure that uh anything related to public safety police fire that we have our conversations we will make sure that also along the lines of the vehicles that were broken into I can tell you that the division of police and their officers and primarily in district uh three and other districts as well made uh um an arrest this weekend approximately 10 individuals uh nine were juveniles and uh one adult um and they recovered uh four stolen vehicles so they're really active this weekend but so were the uh division of police I want to commend them for for their actions uh for arresting those individuals just on that point were any guns recovered to the chair I'm not quite sure I can tell I believe I believe so two weapons were recovered along with four stolen vehicles thank you and um I you took the words out of my mouth I was actually going to commend you I just left from Little Italy and uh we actually just updated some of the leadership there because we know that there was approximately about 15 cars uh that had smash and grabs and they apprehended those suspects so appreciate that great work yep questions thank you Mr.

Chair through the chair to the director could you let us know what happens after court I think that's where um you know things get lost where I'm I'm sure they let them out or whatever the case may be can you give us the report on what happens after the court through the chair absolutely okay thank you uh councilman Brian Casey thank you Mr.

Chairman Mr.

Chairman to the finance director what happens if we don't pass this piece of legislation through the chair to the councilman those twelve could be added to a wait list and we wouldn't be able to employ them the firefighters um so that could happen um or just not hire them at all okay Mr.

Chairman to to the to the direct to director drumming um you got a budget at the beginning of the year correct through chair that's correct and you've gone over budget now to the chair we have uh 12 well eight right now eight additional uh firefighters over there are budgeted amount all right so Mr.

Chairman to Director Drummond you've went over budget correct and that's why you need the additional three fifty to hire these individuals through the chair yes that's correct so Mr.

Chairman to Director Drummond is there any danger of any other public safety departments going over budget for this year?

Through the chair none.

Okay.

And then Mr.

Chairman to the finance director what does this do to the um community police commission's budget as they're a percentage of the police budget and now we're taking 3500 which lowers the uh total amount of the Cleveland police department which means what happens with the community police commission now the council person at this point we didn't we didn't think about reducing that so we'll have to talk about that internally and bring that to council if we want to reduce that is a great point and it's not something really we thought about right now reducing that we know that it's a percentage statutorily now if it's above I don't think we have a problem but we cannot be below it but now it will be a little bit above slightly above what it is required because of this amendment.

Correct.

So Mr.

Chairman to uh either directors um you indicated earlier that you were going to replenish the 350 thousand how do you plan on replenishing it?

Do are you waiting until next year's budget to over budget for 350,000 just to pay back the police out of the fire budget or how how do you plan on replenishing the 3500?

So through the chair to the councilman by the end of the year we plan on doing another transfer ordinance to move the head count back to police.

Yeah I understand but where is that money going to come from through the chair to the councilman so um most of the salaries will be paid like through the end of the year on those positions.

So when we budget in 2026 the budget will reflect the replacement of those right so you'll over budget by 3500 to give back to the police.

Because they're on their over budget already, so uh they they don't have the ability to replenish 350,000 dollars.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Jim.

Through the chair to the councilman, um because police will have a savings overall on the budget by year end, we usually transfer money out of uh police to fire and other folks that will be over before the end of the year.

Um so technically they'll just have 350,000 less transferred out, so they won't be recovering technically recovering it.

What they will recover next year um as the year ends, whatever the number of attrition and fire that of the 12 people we will add back before we present the budget.

So, Mr.

Chairman, to the finance director, we need to be careful with the taking money from the police because they're tied to the police commission.

Understood.

Right, and you don't want to start reducing the police commission's dollars that they're owed because we're taking dollars, but we also don't want to overpay them because they're by statute, right?

Their dollar amount is set, and we don't we want to follow the law, right?

By the amount of dollars that we give to them.

So we need to in in the future, Mr.

Chairman, to their directors, we need to be careful about taking money that is over for the police department and moving it around because it's tied to a different entity um with the police commission now.

So we need to we need to look into that.

And I would just suggest just hire the people because that's where the money's coming from, right?

It's it's coming from lack of I mean it's it's this is twofold, right?

It's great that we're getting 12 edition firefighters, but it's on the same hand, it's it's frustrating because we're taking it from police officers that are supposed to be hired.

So we're I don't want to say Rob and Peter to pay Paul, but you see the frustration over here as well.

So if you could get back to us, Mr.

Chairman, to the directors on how this is going to affect the the the police commission and how their their uh their allocated dollars are gonna be affected.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh anyone else seeing no other questions, ordinance number 1224-2025 stands approved, please sign on uh human resources number 1298-2025 by Councilmember Griffin by departmental request and emergency ordinance to amend sections 30, 40, and 45 of ordinance number 194-2021 passed March 29th, 2021 as amended relating to salaries for various classifications.

Uh thank you, Chair and Committee.

So this uh correct is to amend three sections of the pay ban ordinance, specifically uh section 30, section 40, and section 45.

In section 30, we are eliminating the buyer position and replacing it with a procurement specialist position.

Uh the reason for this is after review is determined that the buyer was an outdated position and the procurement specialist is more in line with um uh contemporary standards.

Um in addition, uh we are going to change the pay ban to be more in line with the market, which um increases the minimum to 50,000 and the maximum to 105,000.

Um secondly um is to uh upon review of the veterinarian position uh is to mend amend excuse me the salary of the veterinarian position.

We've had difficulty in recruiting for this position, so we've been using uh individuals on an hourly basis.

Um just just of note the average salary uh in this area for veterinarians is usually between 155 to 160,000 um, with the top being well over 200,000.

So we're recommending the amendment to a minimum of 70 and a maximum of 200,000, not necessarily what we will pay, but just in case uh and then finally section 45 is really just a housekeeping is to increase the maximum for head usher and organ tuner to 1626 hourly, and that's in line with the living wage uh legislation that came through last month.

All right, thank you.

Just real quick.

So the buyer used to be very important role in um in uh purchasing commissioner purchasing.

Will the buyer still have the same responsibilities?

Will the buyer still have the same responsibilities because those buyers were very shrewd on making sure that um all of the MBE, FBE and CSB goals were met and that the uh actual bidders were being compliant.

They also were very good at making sure that they reached out to and advocated to people to make sure that they knew when opportunities to bid were available.

Has that changed at all?

Have their roles and duties expanded?

Are they the same or how is that changing?

Uh to to the chair, yes.

I would say that they've expanded um to the way they they will conduct business, the shrewdness I would expect to to remain, uh if not increase, um, you know, on behalf of the city and and our tax dollars.

Um the actual revisions to the minimums um weren't great um in terms of like um they they weren't big um changes, and we added a substitution clause um as well uh for individual who doesn't have a bachelor's degree, but now we're actually preferring certifications in um certified professional public buyer, certified uh purchasing professional or certified professional and supply management.

So we're actually looking for individuals with a higher level of credentialing in addition to, of course, um wanting individuals to get the best uh prices on things they buy for the city.

I um always want to have the best quality people as possible.

However, I'm a little biased towards the buyers because that was sort of like an entry-level way of people being able to come into uh this kind of procurement world.

And what I hope we're not doing is setting the bar too high for entry-level positions.

Are we doing that?

Especially by removing the um or especially by adding the bachelor level certifications where a lot of times people may want to come in, or we've had interns that moved up in the system, and then once they moved up in the system, they gradually receive some of those certifications.

I just don't want to inadvertently start narrowing the market, and that's what is uh interesting.

Has civil service looked at this and have they approved this, or who's approved these job descriptions or classifications?

Uh to to the chair, yes.

It actually went through the September 26th civil service meeting uh approval.

Um just just of note the by the current buyer position, there's actually already uh requirement for a minimum of a bachelor's degree uh that that has existed.

Um we actually made the um the position more flexible for someone who actually uh is coming from a world of interning or uh experience by adding a substitution clause.

So we actually made it um easier, an easier pathway for individuals who who don't have a bachelor's degree.

Okay, sounds good to me.

Councilman Michael Palency.

Mr.

Chairman.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Um my question is this.

Um how did these three sections um what brought these three sections to your attention?

I'm trying to figure out what what gets on the radar screen and what doesn't.

Uh that's a great question.

Through the chair to the councilman, you usually it's one of two main ways.

Um either one, the department uh approaches us because they're having uh difficulty in hiring uh for a particular position or um they're looking to update the positions within within their um department or division.

So that's that's one way that that it comes to us.

The the second and more comprehensive way is the ongoing review of all civil service positions that's being conducted by the civil service department.

Okay.

Um to bring all of the positions in the city uh is much in line with with today.

Okay.

Our school guard civil service positions.

Uh through the chair to the uh councilman, yes.

Okay.

So then I'm told, as all members are told, we are having a terrible problem trying to fill school guard positions.

Correct.

Uh through the chair to the councilman, I'm not sure what the the count is.

I know we've been doing some additional recruiting for for school guards.

Okay.

Well, I'm told there's a bunch of vacancies.

So through the chair to you as director.

Have you given any thought to look at the dollar amount we're paying school guards?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, we have, I don't know what what the most recent uh review was.

Certainly I can take that back as is uh is a takeaway.

What one of the main things uh we used to try to attract school guards is health care.

Yes.

Um, which is you know pretty unusual for you know, kind of a part-time incremental position.

So we really try to promote that as a means for individual who may be retired, for instance, uh to become a school guard because of their they have the ability to get health care.

But the Mr.

Chairman to the director again, for but for the for the health care, um what what do they get?

What do they get for the health care?

Do they get the full package of health care?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, I believe it's uh major medical uh is is the main.

I'm not entirely sure about vision or dental offhand at the moment.

Okay.

But do they have to pay uh do they have to uh is there a co-pay for that?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, there is a a very um minor uh co-pay for the same level of coverage as every other city employment.

Okay.

So then, Mr.

Chairman, to the director.

I'm gonna ask you officially, we need to take a look at compensation for the school guards.

If we're having difficulties, then there's got to be a reason for it.

Okay, why we can't attract, why we can't get people.

And when I see these people blowing through these school zones, total disregard for the 20 mile an hour speed limit, blowing through, and I got these kids, little kids cross, and I got moms trying to cross, grandma's trying to cross.

These characters are just blown through these school zones.

We need to have school guards.

Plus the fact we need to have traffic enforcement, but that's a whole nother thing in itself.

But we've got to look at because you just indicated here that we you know, you're looking at how we can better adjust or reassess what we're paying folks.

So I'm gonna ask again, as it pertains to the school guards, that there be an honest review, should the it's what is it, 20, what is it, 20 something?

What is the rate today for school guard, you know?

Uh through the through through the chair to the councilman, I don't know if I think I think it's 20 some dollars plus I again.

But I'm I'm just gonna ask you again through the chair that there be an uh an absolute deep dive as to what we need to do to try to attract more school guards.

Because I I you know, when you look at all these vacancies that are there, there's got to be a reason for it.

There just has to be a reason.

Now, is it the pay?

Is it what the the co-pay is for the medical?

I don't know.

Okay.

But I'm trying to make sure there was a time we had no vacancies in school guards.

I can tell you that.

And there were no vacancies.

And now here we are, we've got a good number of them, and I'm just trying to get I'm trying to get some clarification.

My last question to you is this, Mr.

Chairman.

As it pertains to the bargaining units, how many bargaining units are there?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, there's 33.

And how many have we settled with as of this move?

Uh we are as of today, we're at 45 percent, or I believe we're 10 fully executed.

Um, 10 or 11 fully executed.

We are right at the border of um tentative agreements on several more.

Um I'm bringing one next week on the 20th.

So out of the 33, we have 40 of we're at a 45 percent approval, uh ratification and approved by council.

Uh in uh uh through the chair to the councilman.

So so um it's kind of fluid.

In terms of of fully executed in addition to ratification by council, the union and signature um there's 10 or 11, I believe, as of today, uh in terms of ratification by the union, but not by council.

I think there's three pending.

Uh one is on the docket for the 20th, um, and I think we're gonna have uh a couple more for the uh following.

Um and then there's several right now that are um either have just reached TA or just pending union ratification that will then be brought forth for council ratification.

Because if it's not ratified by council, there isn't an agreement.

Uh to the chair to the to the council, through the chair to the councilman, uh there's an agreement, but it's pending ratification.

Right.

So until the council passes it, you can agree to whatever you want, but the council has to agree to it to confirm it.

So those bargaining units can get their increase or whatever changes into their collective bargain agreement.

So give me some indication.

Are we are we in a better position that we were in the past or not?

Because again, I'm thinking 45 percent got 33 bargaining units, 45 percent is uh are we ahead of the game or behind the game here?

Uh through the chair to the councilman, we it comparatively to the past, we are well ahead of the game.

Um previously to the current cycle we're in, we were ratifying contracts that had been expired for two or three years.

Um we are ratifying contracts now for the 2025 through 2028 cycle.

So uh comparatively, we are um well, well ahead of of the game, and that was uh coming in at a disadvantage with uh many contracts that had been way, way expired.

Uh we had to catch up on for the last cycle and now are uh moving ahead for the cycle.

And it's fine.

Who's doing our negotiations?

What's the law firm?

Uh through the chair to councilman, so the public safety uh contracts are being negotiated primarily by uh Wilkins, the Wilkins Law Firm.

Wilkins.

Wilkins.

Uh W-I-L-K-U.

W-I-L-K-I-N-S.

Okay.

Um the primary negotiators uh Patrick Hobin.

Okay.

And for the non-public safety or non-conciliatory contracts, it's uh the law firm is Stefanic IOSU.

And the FANIC Stefanic IOSU.

Okay.

And the the primary negotiators are uh or primary negotiators, excuse me, is Jeremy Iosu.

Okay.

I I don't know either firm, so I'm just wondering.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Chairman.

Yes.

All right.

Uh seeing no other questions, ordinance number 1298-2025 will be heard for consideration by the full council this evening.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh one last piece of legislation if uh Mrs.

Sigars could come to the table.

Director don't go.

Okay.

I need to see.

This is ordinance number 1217-1225 by Councilmember Griffin and emergency ordinance authorizing the clerk of council to enter into an agreement with Granicus LLC to purchase cloud-based software subscriptions and services for an integrated legislative management system for Cleveland City Council.

Uh Ms.

Siggers.

Good afternoon.

Um to the law department, I do have an amendment.

Um the the funding source should be general fund.

And the um the object should be 6320-00.

Uh I believe that.

Section two amendment needs to come from one of the council members.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Do we have one of the council members that can offer that amendment?

And could you repeat that?

Yes.

Thank you.

So what do you think?

Councilman Casey have put forth the amendment.

Sorry about that.

So she gives it to me.

Section two.

All right.

Under um Mr.

Chairman, I have a uh an amendment to the to 1217-2025 under section two.

Um sixty-three twenty-zero zero.

And the sub line.

After the second line.

Are we taking out six three two?

The sixty-three uh six three two zero zero zero should be just sixty-three twenty.

All right.

So uh in line two, um, Mr.

Chairman, after fund numbers, it should read SB 6320-00.

And the fund number should be 01001.

01-001, yes.

All right, we have an amendment.

Do we have a second?

All right, we have an amendment has been moved and seconded.

Uh all in any discussion.

Uh no discussion.

All in favor say aye.

Uh any opposed?

All right, back to the amendment.

Uh, do we have any other questions regarding ordinance number 1217 dash 2025?

All right.

Seeing no other questions, ordinance number 1217-2025 has amended, stands approved.

Please sign on.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Uh this concludes this committee of diversity, equity, and inclusion.

Assumption council.

Council.

Chair.

This meeting is adjourned.

Finance.

Finance.

Finance.

Whatever he said.