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Cleveland Safety Committee Meeting on Fire and EMS Modernization Plan - September 30, 2026

City Council Meetings — Wednesday, September 30, 2026
BodyCleveland, Ohio
SessionCity Council Meetings
DateWednesday, September 30, 2026
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Speaker 1

10:56

Well, I want to welcome everybody to safety committee.

10:58

We're wet way for some of our other members who are coming in because they're at other meetings, so we're gonna jump right into the presentation about the firehouses and the police station because we don't need a quorum for that.

11:11

So whoever is gonna come to the table.

11:15

Um we want a

Unassigned speaker

11:17

I

Speaker 1

11:17

don't know if this is a PowerPoint.

11:19

Okay, good.

Speaker 2

11:21

Yes, sir, PowerPoint presentation.

Speaker 1

11:23

Come on, gentlemen, to come to the table.

Unassigned speaker

11:30

So

Speaker 2

11:31

councilman, while we're while we're getting set up here, um just by way of introduction,

Unassigned speaker

11:38

so

Speaker 2

11:40

uh there's been some articles in Cleveland.com, there's been some discussion about um here here at City Hall with council members about a fire and EMS modernization plan.

11:51

Yes.

11:52

And so this has been the culmination of work of internal staff in MoCAP with uh public safety and our consultants, our outside consultants to really look comprehensively at all of the facilities that we have for fire and EMS and to come up with um both an analysis of what needs to be um repaired, fixed, replaced, or um, you know, are and also are are the facilities in the right location.

12:23

So it was really a comprehensive plan.

12:25

And so what we're gonna do with you, and that's been about a year and a half, uh maybe two years.

Speaker 3

12:30

Yes.

Speaker 2

12:30

Um what we're gonna present to you today is is that analysis.

12:35

Um and so um to my right, Director Drummond, obviously, yeah.

12:39

And then Mark, if you could introduce yourself and uh and our consultant, please.

12:44

Thank

Unassigned speaker

12:44

you.

Speaker 4

12:45

Thank you, Director.

12:46

Through the chair, I'm Mark Dulick.

12:48

Um I am the city architect.

12:50

And it has been about two years that we've been working with our consultant team and collaborating with public safety, um, division of fire uh leadership, um, division of EMS leadership, all of the above.

13:03

But uh it's my pleasure to introduce uh Dwayne Van Dyck of Cordogan Clark Lesco Architects, who have a long history and deep experience in uh fire and EMS facilities.

13:15

And um they've been their team has been part of our team uh for these couple of years.

13:21

And so um this is Dwayne.

Speaker 1

13:24

But before we do that, uh I was on the impression you were gonna update us as well as it pertains to the five police districts.

Speaker 2

13:32

Oh, okay.

13:32

So I saw that note in the councilman in the but I didn't know that you wanted the presentation that we gave on Monday.

13:39

Well,

Speaker 1

13:39

you didn't you don't have to duplicate it, but

Speaker 2

13:41

what

Speaker 1

13:41

I'm saying for the viewing public, tell us where we are with the five police districts.

Speaker 2

13:46

Absolutely.

13:47

So uh Mr.

13:48

Chairman, we uh last year we came through City Council for a contract um with Leopardo is the name of the firm for uh re uh rehabbing, if you will, all five police uh district buildings at a cost of twenty-one million dollars, and that cost um would be covered by the energy efficiency savings and the procurement savings that an analysis um showed would come from uh um those improvements and uh procurement um changes that we could make.

14:26

So the good news is is that um the contracts were signed, Leopardo uh jumped into that work, and uh all five districts um will be completed next month, which is October, tomorrow is October, and that's a ten month process for all five police districts at a cost of twenty-one million dollars.

14:47

And we're happy as as we mentioned at um the MSP committee to um to find out which council members might want a tour of any of those districts or all of those districts, and then we would make those plans.

15:00

But the great news is is that we have um uh very very good feedback from both uh public safety um as well as you know our MoCAP team on how well that process has worked from a construction standpoint and very good feedback from our legal and procurement team on how sort of the the legal side of of that energy efficiencies contract has uh come together.

Speaker 1

15:28

Okay.

15:29

So you're saying by November 1st everything should be complete.

Speaker 2

15:32

That's correct.

15:32

Okay.

Speaker 1

15:33

So if um I don't know if you uh provided this to the other committee, but do you have a list per each building what was done?

Speaker 2

15:41

Uh Mr.

15:42

Chairman, we do have a list, we can provide that to you.

15:45

Okay.

15:45

And and I will say that uh some of the um some of the items that were bid out for the project um by Leopardo came in at at good pricing, such that we could add some scope.

15:58

So for instance, there were some districts that um we did not scope new windows, but we had the budget to allow new windows to be put in.

16:06

And so those are the types of um continued um improvement on the the list of uh of uh design build items that we were able to do uh on that project.

Speaker 1

16:17

Okay.

16:17

So if you could provide that list, especially to those members where a district is in their ward.

16:25

Um and then again, those of us who want to have a tour, uh, who do we who do we arrange that

Unassigned speaker

16:32

with

Speaker 2

16:33

um

Speaker 5

16:33

through your office?

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
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Public Works███████████████████████23%
Public Health Awareness███████████11%
Engineering And Infrastructure█████████9%
Land Use Planning█████5%
Parks and Recreation███3%
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Summary of Proceedings

Cleveland Safety Committee Meeting on Fire and EMS Modernization Plan - September 30, 2026

The Cleveland City Council's Safety Committee met on September 30, 2026, to discuss the Fire and EMS Modernization Plan, including a comprehensive assessment of all 24 fire and EMS stations, and considered two pieces of legislation. The meeting began with an update on the recently completed police district renovations, then transitioned to a detailed presentation on the fire and EMS facility conditions, proposed repairs, renewals, and replacements, followed by extensive discussion among council members.

Discussion Items

  • Police District Renovation Update: Director Drummond reported that renovations at all five police districts, costing $21 million, are on schedule to be completed by October 30, 2026. The project, executed by Leopardo, covered HVAC, roofs, flooring, lighting, and windows. Furniture upgrades will be proposed in the 2028 capital improvement plan. Councilman Conwell emphasized the need for quality environments for officers, and tours of the districts will be coordinated.
  • Fire and EMS Modernization Plan Presentation: Mark Dulick (City Architect) and Dwayne Van Dyck (Cordogan Clark Lesco) presented a two-year study of all 24 fire/EMS stations (excluding the new Station 26). The plan categorizes each station into three tiers: repair (all 24 stations, $30M estimated), renew (12 stations, $65M estimated), and replace (10 stations, $150M estimated). Total estimated program cost is approximately $245 million (in 2026 dollars). The goals are to improve health, safety, welfare (e.g., HVAC, EMS spaces) and functionality (female quarters, drive-through bays, ADA). Renewal is possible for stations with sufficient site area; replacement is needed for older U-shaped stations and those with limited expansion space (built 1940s-1950s). Funding for repair and renew ($100M) would come from an energy efficiency savings contract similar to the police district model, with legislation expected in late October or early November 2026. Replacement funding is not yet identified and would rely on future capital budgets.
  • Council Discussion and Concerns:
    • Councilman Jones raised issues about east-side disinvestment, calling for priority lists and emphasizing that fire stations are critical infrastructure. He also questioned funding sources, given other city needs.
    • Councilman Starr requested detailed priorities per station and data on fire hydrant-related calls and response times.
    • Councilman Conwell stressed the importance of preventive maintenance, community notification during renovations, and a master plan to monitor milestones.
    • Councilman Slife inquired about the decision-making process for replacement site selection (using dispatch area (Deccan) scores and response times), and requested the full report, including drive-time analysis and call volumes per station.
    • Councilwoman Hudson focused on EMS quarters, vehicle exhaust systems, indoor air quality studies, and requested prioritization based on health and safety impact on workers.
    • Councilwoman House-Jones asked about minority and union participation goals from contractors.
    • Councilman Jones (C. Jones) requested per-station productivity data (calls for service, working fires, response times) to evaluate system efficiency.
  • Legislation – Ordinance 1035-2026: Authorization to reimburse Cuyahoga County $81,277 for the city's share of maintaining the Automated Fingerprint Identification System (AFIS) for fiscal years 2025-2026. The system is now housed at the county medical examiner's office. Councilman Jones questioned whether the city could purchase its own system to save costs. The ordinance was approved without objection.
  • Legislation – Ordinance 927-2026 (Land Swap): A property exchange with Cleveland Metropolitan School District (CMSD). The city will transfer the J. Glenn Smith Health Center (11110 St. Clair Ave) and two land bank parcels to CMSD for the new Glenville High School campus, plus a land bank lot near Denison Elementary. In exchange, CMSD will give the city the former Walton School site (for future Fire Station 24) and the Newton D. Baker School site (for redevelopment). The city will be responsible for demolition costs (estimated $1.3M for Walton, $1.3–1.5M for Newton D. Baker), with applications for state demolition grants (25% city match). The J. Glenn Smith demolition cost is not yet determined. Councilman Conwell expressed strong concerns about east-side disinvestment, the closure of the health center without clear replacement, and the loss of recreation facilities. Director Margolius clarified that the health department's services (STD testing, etc.) will relocate based on need; Metro Health plans to stay in Glenville. Councilman Conwell requested community meetings before any demolition. The ordinance was approved, with several council members voting no.

Key Outcomes

  • The administration will bring legislation to City Council in October/November 2026 for a $100 million energy efficiency contract to fund repair and renewal of all 24 fire/EMS stations (two-year project). The replacement of 10 stations ($150M) will be addressed separately through future capital plans and site control.
  • Council requested detailed work lists per station, priority rankings, per-station call volumes, response time data, and a list of vacant firehouses with their uses.
  • The administration agreed to include a clause for preventive maintenance contracts in the upcoming legislation, similar to the police district model.
  • Ordinance 1035-2026 (AFIS reimbursement) passed unanimously.
  • Ordinance 927-2026 (land swap) passed with several no votes; further community engagement on health center relocation and recreation plans is required.
  • A meeting between Councilman Conwell and the YMCA is scheduled for October 4, 2026, to discuss milestones for a potential YMCA at the Glenville campus.

Meeting Transcript

Well, I want to welcome everybody to safety committee. We're wet way for some of our other members who are coming in because they're at other meetings, so we're gonna jump right into the presentation about the firehouses and the police station because we don't need a quorum for that. So whoever is gonna come to the table. Um we want a I don't know if this is a PowerPoint. Okay, good. Yes, sir, PowerPoint presentation. Come on, gentlemen, to come to the table. So councilman, while we're while we're getting set up here, um just by way of introduction, so uh there's been some articles in Cleveland.com, there's been some discussion about um here here at City Hall with council members about a fire and EMS modernization plan. Yes. And so this has been the culmination of work of internal staff in MoCAP with uh public safety and our consultants, our outside consultants to really look comprehensively at all of the facilities that we have for fire and EMS and to come up with um both an analysis of what needs to be um repaired, fixed, replaced, or um, you know, are and also are are the facilities in the right location. So it was really a comprehensive plan. And so what we're gonna do with you, and that's been about a year and a half, uh maybe two years. Yes. Um what we're gonna present to you today is is that analysis. Um and so um to my right, Director Drummond, obviously, yeah. And then Mark, if you could introduce yourself and uh and our consultant, please. Thank you. Thank you, Director. Through the chair, I'm Mark Dulick. Um I am the city architect. And it has been about two years that we've been working with our consultant team and collaborating with public safety, um, division of fire uh leadership, um, division of EMS leadership, all of the above. But uh it's my pleasure to introduce uh Dwayne Van Dyck of Cordogan Clark Lesco Architects, who have a long history and deep experience in uh fire and EMS facilities. And um they've been their team has been part of our team uh for these couple of years. And so um this is Dwayne. But before we do that, uh I was on the impression you were gonna update us as well as it pertains to the five police districts. Oh, okay. So I saw that note in the councilman in the but I didn't know that you wanted the presentation that we gave on Monday. Well, you didn't you don't have to duplicate it, but what I'm saying for the viewing public, tell us where we are with the five police districts. Absolutely. So uh Mr. Chairman, we uh last year we came through City Council for a contract um with Leopardo is the name of the firm for uh re uh rehabbing, if you will, all five police uh district buildings at a cost of twenty-one million dollars, and that cost um would be covered by the energy efficiency savings and the procurement savings that an analysis um showed would come from uh um those improvements and uh procurement um changes that we could make. So the good news is is that um the contracts were signed, Leopardo uh jumped into that work, and uh all five districts um will be completed next month, which is October, tomorrow is October, and that's a ten month process for all five police districts at a cost of twenty-one million dollars. And we're happy as as we mentioned at um the MSP committee to um to find out which council members might want a tour of any of those districts or all of those districts, and then we would make those plans. But the great news is is that we have um uh very very good feedback from both uh public safety um as well as you know our MoCAP team on how well that process has worked from a construction standpoint and very good feedback from our legal and procurement team on how sort of the the legal side of of that energy efficiencies contract has uh come together. Okay. So you're saying by November 1st everything should be complete. That's correct. Okay. So if um I don't know if you uh provided this to the other committee, but do you have a list per each building what was done? Uh Mr. Chairman, we do have a list, we can provide that to you.

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