And about um sixty percent on Clark Street, where there is um still Mayberry Elementary School.

And so we know that the goal is zero trucks.

We need to see police enforcement and appropriate resources directed to assure that the Southwest Trucks routes are effective, but also to uh make sure that we're targeting um the problem areas in other parts of the city um to relieve other communities of the semi-trucks.

And uh, we know some infrastructure projects are coming, um, but we need to see some serious commitments very soon uh about the what's happened with Russia City and to make these resources possible.

Thank you.

Um good morning.

I just want to say uh shout out to Chairwoman uh Gabriel and Santar Grammer for coming to my church uh yesterday and also Councilmember Mary Waters.

I want to say Scott Benson, you have uh very damning evidence that DTE is in your district um making solar fields out of homes that should not be torn down.

I just talked to a contractor, he was at 17409 Brush Street in District 3.

It's listed as Highland Park Online, but it is district three, and the home was being torn down because it had uh, I believe I think they said there was uh asbestos inside.

But the contractor specifically told me this is a privileged white man from the suburbs.

He told me that DT Energy is a reason why these homes are being torn down.

He said that the narrow the neighborhood and area was rough, but he said that uh DTE is pushing people out.

He said there's a lot of crime, but you don't push, you don't tear down homes to push out crime.

You solve the issues, you find the underlying issues.

I've also found a lot more homes that don't need to be demolished in your district and also a lot more homes that are unborded in your district.

And I'm going to come to your satellite office and present those addresses again, as I've done in the past because you're not doing a good job as a steward of your community in your district.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We'll hear next from Ed, followed by Eden, followed by Quasi.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Hi, Ed.

My name's Ed Geese.

I live in 48209.

I'm here for the truck routes ordinance.

And uh originally I had a public comment prepared as part of a citywide truck ordinance uh Zoom meeting that we had, and uh, and it doesn't apply anymore because where I live, um there's been a significant, not complete, but significant reduction in uh trucks, and myself and my neighbors are extremely grateful for it, and people talking about being able to sleep better at night, okay, and all the other things that we've been talking about for decades related to trucks, but just incredibly grateful, and uh in addition to ensuring uh enforcement in Southwest, I want the same thing for other Detroit neighborhoods because there are a lot of people on the Zoom call.

Sorry.

Thank you, Ed.

Appreciate you.

We will now hear from Eden, followed by Quasey, followed by Mr.

Foster.

Yes, uh good morning, uh Public Health and Safety Committee members.

My name is Eden Bloom.

My family live on the east side in the newly redistrict in the district four there.

Um and I'm here to speak in support of expanding the uh truck traffic ordinance and to insist it be backed by real enforcement.

I want to thank everybody that works so hard to get this going in southwest Detroit.

Uh they're long overdue and a vital first step.

But on the east side, we're seeing a great deal of protect of reindustrialization, old plants coming online, new logistic hubs arriving, and truck traffic intensifying in neighborhoods that already carry a heavy environmental load.

Um with this comes an increase in waste hauling and hazardous materials moving through our streets.

Um as federal oversight shrinks, Detroit's elected officials must act with foresight to establish care protections for residents and expect expectations for industrial players, old and new.

Detroit's truck road policy can't stop at one district, it must protect every community.

When a driver cuts time on Kircheville, they increase the risk to residents living in the mansions on Burns as well as the homes on Beneto.

Thank you for moving this forward.

Thank you.

And uh I think it's weak.

I think it's not uh going far enough to uh express countability.

Uh a friend of mine was just recently killed by a law enforcement officer who worked for the state.

And I don't mean to conflate the city and the state, but I live in the city and the state.

And uh the family could not see the uh video for over 30 days.

Again, that was the state police.

We don't need that kind of pressure on Detroit families when Detroit police shoot one of his residents.

We gotta remember City of Detroit police are paid by the city of Detroit residents.

They are employees, they treat us with aggression.

Uh I just saw uh Chief Bettison talk about commands.

Uh we're not workers, we don't uh we're not servants of law enforcement, they work for us, and they must begin to treat us with dignity and respect first.

Thank you, even with an accusation or suspicion of an offense because they're actually innocent for proven guilty, but strengthen that law that we can get those videos sooner.

Sir, thank you.

I need to cut you off now.

Thank you, Mr.

Foster.

Good morning.

Um Michigan State Legal Webdate number 154 outlines MCL 257.602 B 12 Section C to operate does not include motor vehicle that is lawfully parked.

And so I spoke about tactics before.

Um I'm not sure if anybody's really understand the MCLs or the laws that they are enforcing here, but there are consequences to these things, and people have lost their lives after speaking your public comment.

And so we have to do a better job in redressing grievances and establishing a true grievance process as far as our CVI.

We need CVI to intervene between violence between police in our community.

You know, if they buddy buddy with the police, then how are they gonna really advocate for the community and stand up for our communities?

Well, uh support our communities and things, there has to be a strict accountability for the dollars that spent and the authorities that's being used and abused with these CVI funds.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Foster.

We will now turn it over to the folks that we have uh online.

Miss Duncan, who do we have first?

Good morning, madam chair.

The first caller is Karen is Carolyn Catless.

Carolyn, if you can hear us, you're up next.

Thank you.

Can you hear me okay?

Yes, we can.

Good morning.

Okay, thank you.

Yeah, I'm just calling to chime in on the truck crowds.

I live in Southwest Detroit on Clark and Toledo Street, and I have to give a hearty thank you.

I've heard from so many neighbors and um my own experience is that it has become a quiet, peaceful place to live, and um the air is so much cleaner.

Uh it is transformative, and it is such a huge relief of the daily stressors that we had from having 200 to 300 trucks at our intersection every single day.

And now I would say we probably get one or two an hour.

So it's not perfect yet.

We definitely need a little bit more enforcement.

Um, but I'd really like to advocate today for a citywide uh trucks policy because the relief that I feel is relief that every Detroiter should feel.

And I know that we all um live in very close proximity to semi-truck traffic.

So thank you so much.

The next caller is not that Karen.

Hello.

Yes, hello, we can hear you.

Great.

Um thank you for your um 60 seconds this morning.

I know you're usually more gracious, but I understand you have a pretty full agenda, but that doesn't mean that the um citizens should be cut short on their time to to voice their opinion.

It just means you may have to work a little bit longer that day.

I don't think it's fair that you decide to cut the time in half.

But like I say, you normally are more gracious, so thank you for the 60 seconds.

Um, I'm gonna uh advocate and keep advocating for the Detroit City of Detroit retirees.

Um you know, we we're still living on 2013 wages and uh 2013 pension, I should say, and the cost of living has skyrocketed, and I'm sure even you guys have a hard time.

Um it would be nice if you guys got paid like the federal work which did, and you didn't get paid until you know things were working right, and then that would make people work harder, uh in my opinion.

So thanks for 60 seconds.

Thank you.

I would like to call to order.

I don't need to call to order at 1015.

Do I, Dr.

Powers?

We're just gonna get to that discussion when we get to it.

Thank you.

Who do we have next, Ms.

Duncan?

Next callers owner Papa.

Miss Carolyn Hughes, you're up next.

And through the chair, Carolyn Hughes, may I be heard?

Yes.

Yes.

Um, Miss Winston makes a very good point.

Um, we should not have our time um truncated because you have an agenda.

We may want to speak on the agenda, so we need the time to speak on it.

Um you are the safety and health committee, and we have three times the poverty rate of the national average since you've been sitting in that seat.

Alcohol license, because we know that alcohol and violence are hand in hand.

And to keep spending our money on CVI and all of these other groups that are just an extension of the police and not even have their tactics outlined.

What do they do?

How do they interact with our young people?

This committee is not doing its job.

And that's the reason why we have three times the poverty rate of the national average.

Thank you.

The next caller is breathe free.

Hello, can I be heard?

Yes.

Okay, thank you.

My name is Katie Morelli.

I'm the organizer with Breathe Free Detroit.

And I'm uh calling in from the 48211 zip code.

I'm here to support the truck route ordinance.

And I want to emphasize the need for enforcement and resources to make this truck route ordinance successful in Southwest Detroit.

Southwest communities have been fighting for a healthier and safer environment for decades.

Much of the truck traffic in my community is in the form of hazardous waste transport, hundreds of increased trucks annually from the soon to open waste management recycling site, NGM's Pull Town facility.

It's concerning to know that there is no clear city ordinance enforcement and resources in place to protect the community health until now.

And I'm urging the city to commit to relieving all neighborhoods from heavy truck impacts and ensuring citywide accountability with this ordinance.

And I appreciate you all hearing this.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The next caller is William Davis Uh good morning.

Can I be heard?

Yes, good morning.

Okay, I like to start out by saying that the city does need a citywide truck ordinance.

I worked in Southwest Detroit in 48209 and 4217.

Those are horrible areas because of the pollution and asthma and what have you.

The cities should have a truck, you know, citywide truck ordinance.

You know, on the books.

We need to make sure the city is healthier.

Uh the city has abandoned the city of Detroit retirees.

They have not done anything to help to improve our health or the regular people in the city of Detroit, especially seniors, retirees and young people.

The city can and should do a much better job.

Also, the city should do something substantial to reduce the number of liquor stores.

I mean, why do we have so many liquor stores?

I bet if this was an all-white community, we would not have this many.

I think I should be more strongly aggressive, trying to make the city a healthier place.

It is not.

Thank you.

The next caller is iPhone.

Good morning to all within the sound of my voice.

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The next caller is Cindy Dara.

Thank you, Ms.

Vernon, for that.

Miss Cindy Dara, can you hear us?

Dara, you're up next.

We cannot hear you if you're speaking.

Cindy, I may have to add you to the bottom of the queue.

The next caller is Deb Sumner.

Deb, you're up next.

Uh yes.

Um council members, thank you for hearing us speak in regards to the um the semi-truck.

Okay, that everybody with and has evolved and grown since 1937.

We understand our people would be talking about that through newspaper articles.

And we have just begun with uh since October 6 uh that we have some signage that speak to no trucks on certain residential streets that have been embarked that embarked um just in just completely bombarded, okay, over decades.

So we asked that enforcement occur.

We asked that we look at signage uh carefully at um these on these before you enter these certain streets.

Uh we believe that um we have to bring this city wide, and it really doesn't take a rocket scientist, okay.

The people of the community, every community in this city knows where the trucks need.

Thank you, Deb.

The next caller is Cedric Dion Huff Jr.

Morning, everybody.

Uh, my name is Cedar Dear of Jr.

and I serve as policy manager He saw community network.

Uh, I'm here on behalf of the truck ordinances truck ordinances as well.

Um, although I'm not yet a Detroit resident, I understand the deep ethical issues surrounding the delay and lack of implementation of truck ordinances in Detroit neighborhoods.

Pollution exploitation of our environment for economic economic aims are nothing new to the city, border metro Detroit as a whole, but continued neglect only harms the communities most affected.

East community networks is directly behind the recently built Stilantis plant, and large freight trucks are constant presence on my way to work to lunch and back home.

If neighborhoods are not environments we equipped to handle the emissions these trucks produce, then the health of the Detroit is already facing a body struggles is put further at risk.

Meanwhile, wealthier communities such as Gross Point enforce strict regulations that prohibit heavy truck traffic, and this imbalance highlights a clear discipline for the safety and well-being of working class Detroiters.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Ran out of time.

Good job.

Thank you.

Um the next caller is slow down the zoning change rush job.

I'm not sure who this is, Ms.

Warwick.

What's the title of the caller again?

Slow down the zoning change rush job.

They seem to appear to be unmuted, but we just can't hear them.

Whoever is speaking, we cannot hear you.

We have unmuted you.

You have been made a panelist.

Uh, but if you're speaking, we cannot hear you on our end.

Uh we might have to add you to go after our previous caller who we also could not hear.

We'll give you a little bit more time to see if you can connect.

Um we're gonna add you to the bottom of the queue and come back to you as well.

Who do we have next?

The next caller is Ann Byrne.

Uh good morning.

Can everyone hear me?

Yes, we can.

Good morning.

Uh thank you, uh Council uh committee chair and committee members for hearing me.

Um the 1937 number for truck route ordinance came up already.

So that what I can say is that part of that was a very clear statement that failure to make this citywide would result in trucks simply bleeding into other neighborhoods and the problems repeating themselves.

I am grateful for the amount of improvement we have with just city action, which is decades overdue, which didn't require an ordinance.

I am going to be thrilled when we step up our enforcement and actually look at that as a revenue source.

But most of council is returning, and you guys need to keep this on the burner so that the incoming council members and the new administration know that this isn't going away.

It's more than quality of life.

It is our health and safety, and thank you for keeping it on the burners.

The next caller is Cecily McClellan.

Thank you very much for this opportunity.

Uh I ask all that within my voice that you please support uh Queen Mother Watson for Secondary Street uh sign here in the city of Detroit.

Uh sign here in the city of Detroit.

She was one of the legislators that fought hard and passed more legislative than any other legislator.

She was a water warrior and she pushed for the uh water affordability program here in the city of Detroit.

In Lansing on the 29th, there is water affordability now, a statewide ordinance that will ensure water affordability for all the residents of the state of Michigan.

Go to the well.org uh webpage and you can participate and support uh this uh House Bill 455.

Also, I'd like to uh uh ensure that the city council also keep in the forefront the retirees of the city of Detroit who the bankruptcy were was placed on their back.

Thank you very much for this opportunity.

Thank you.

The next caller is caller number ending 169.

Caller ending in 169, you're up next.

Hello, can you guys hear me?

Yes, we can.

Okay, great.

Um, I'm not religious, and I read the Bible a few times.

Um, Brother Cunningham's Facebook page is very encouraging.

The poor, you will always have you, but you will not always have me.

Matthew chapter 26, verse 11.

A lot of Christians use that scripture to take away the urgency and from helping poor folks, helping poor folks is a 911 urgency.

Um, thank you for helping Cunningham and praying for him.

Bad public transit hurts the poor, and affordable housing is not affordable.

Folks in Detroit make under 20K a year and is on a fixed income.

Cunningham says it's a recipe for gentrification on steroids.

Thank you for my time.

Thank you.

The next caller is caller number ending 039.

Caller number ending 039.

Caller and then 039.

You're up next.

Yeah, uh Gabriella, you told that last viewed and saw the findings on the allegations of voted for by anonymous citizen report.

When I talked to your office, they said that you had to receive the report, but then you came back and you told another lie that you talked to your staff and they didn't receive it.

Now I need every black over the age of 18 listening within the sound of my voice to go vote.

Vote in November the 4th in the election, and do not vote for no cheated in official.

Gabriella Santiago Mira, you have been TV there in by Jadis referee as Jenny A.

We walkers the truth.

You know it's the truth.

You didn't read that report and the findings on the allegations by photo fraud by anonymous physicum report is straight up BS.

I'm motor city rule, Mr.

Rue.

And that's the truth.

And the truth is the truth.

Thank you, Mr.

Crowley.

The truth is that you spoke to no one on my staff regarding this issue.

I checked multiple times, um, given your allegations.

Who do we have next?

The next caller is caller number ending one two four.

Caller number ending one two four.

Caller ending in one two four.

Yes, I'm here.

I don't know why you couldn't get me on Zoom.

Uh I am calling to urge this council.

First of all, I sent you all an email about the fact that this rush job on the zoning ordinances wasn't even communicated to the community advisory council.

So that's very disrespectful.

And it was not uh uh it was misrepresented that it was misrepresented to the president of our local block club, is only impacting our two.

Oh, gee, and the mowers for North End Landing are out mowing over the garbage again.

And I sent photos of many photos of all the garbage rolled over glass, mowed over uh the metal bottles to member water staff.

Why don't you care about that?

And they got blight and they get to do this.

And this zoning ordinance thing, wake up everybody.

Mother watch that Joanne Watson, who I worked with would never support such a rush job that would take away people's right to go before the BZ.

Thank you, Ms.

Warwick.

I need to call in our 1030 a.m.

public hearing and will recess us to the call of the chair.

Who do we have next?

The next caller is Lucas Aguirre.

Hello, can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Thank you.

My name is Lucas Aguirre.

I live in District 6 and work in District 4.

I live near to Clark Street.

Um, another street affected by the recent uh truck restrictions.

Uh well, I want to acknowledge the the victory of the recent truck restrictions.

Um we have seen a decrease in truck traffic and has been good.

I also have seen numerous uh violations.

I think we need to emphasize uh proper enforcement.

Um, and also uh I want to emphasize that citywide citywide truck route ordinance is needed.

Um all neighborhoods deserve to be free from the burden of truck traffic or air quality and noise pollution.

Um neighborhoods are overburdened by the negative effects of truck traffic, uh especially those with asthma and weaken immune systems, uh, as well as mental health.

So again, I just want to support uh uh citywide truck route ordinance.

Uh thank you for your attention to this matter.

Thank you.

The next caller is Jacob Smith.

Uh hi, uh just to clarify, uh I in the period for public comment still, or are we doing public comment for the public hearing?

This is general public comment.

We will go to public comment for the public hearing once we go into the public hearing.

Uh okay, would you like to speak now?

Or for uh I'll I'll speak on both.

Uh hi, uh I'm Jacob Smith with the Detroit Alliance Against Racist and Political Repression.

Um, I'm here primarily to speak on the public hearing.

Um to basically encourage the uh city council to take the uh ordinance, the body can release ordinance uh that is currently being put and to uh put it back to the drawing board and give us something better.

Uh furthermore, uh, you know, I I think it's a little ridiculous that it's nearly impossible to find out like when this public hearing was.

Um I you know asked and was told that it was going to be today, but to expect confirmation on the City of Detroit website.

Um I checked that, I checked the events, couldn't find anything, check the Facebook, couldn't find anything.

Uh, this is supposed to have been published in the Detroit legal news and apparently was never published there.

Um, it's just how how are you know regular working Detroiters supposed to figure out when these things are if you like genuinely want public comment?

It's ridiculous.

As the chair of this committee who knows this is important to folks, we did share this out through our newsletter through our social media.

So we did that, and I encourage everyone to follow along our work so that you're able to see what we're doing.

Uh, because I try my very best to inform the public.

Who do we have next?

The next caller is Tahira Ahmed.

Ms.

Amanda, you're up next.

Good morning.

Yes, good morning.

Uh, I'd like to um also advocate for the second daily sign for uh esteemed and beautiful former city council member city of Detroit.

Uh Dr.

Reverend Dr.

Joanne Watson.

She is one of the main reasons why we have water affiliate uh uh affordability.

She's also was former head of the NAACP.

She's also um leader of the Incobra, which is a national coalition of blacks for reparations in America.

She worked with Reverend.

Um she worked with John Conyers.

Um also she's on the city council for 10 years, working for our community.

So we want her to have her secondary sign and revenge of her beautiful work here in our city, and we want to also uphold her for working for the Black Legacy Coalition.

The next caller is Melissa Love.

Love versus Vincent et al.

Case number 25 C V 13105.

The National Water Registration Act of 1993 states that the Secretary of State Janice Vincent Winfrey and whoever else must maintain clean water roles.

I'm Melissa Love, never voted.

November 2020 or August 2024.

I will not be silent as the justice will be served, and respect will be on my name.

I will not stop or be stopped.

I will continue to speak about this evil corruption.

I am here to demand justice and representation.

I am here to collect my share of the pot.

Y'all been still if I will continue to stand forward's right and fear no evil while doing so.

I am a proud voter and will continue to vote.

I voted in the past presidential election and primary and looking to cast my vote this upcoming election.

If you don't vote, they'll vote for you.

Thank you, Detroit, for cheating me.

We need better representation.

Let's see what y'all gonna do about all these hungry folks and homelessness.

The next caller is Shay Howell.

Hello, thank you.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Thank you.

I'm here with the coalition for police transparency and accountability.

And I want to urge you to not pass the current proposed release of incident footage ordinance.

That is not worth your time or ours.

We've sent a letter to the council delineating eight objections to the the current ordinance.

The two I want to highlight is first, this allows the police to redact footage, which is a big problem in how they are already releasing body cam information.

And secondly, it allows the police to create a narrative, which has over time proven to be untrue.

We think it's really important that you take a look at the full ordinance that CPTA forwarded to you based on best practices around the country.

No one in the country who has full video release allows the police the kind of manipulation that your ordinance has proposed does.

The next caller is Alexandra Fields.

Hi, um, I am uh a Detroit resident of District 6.

Um, I appreciate you all for allowing us to have public comment.

And I just wanted to speak out um along with some of the other members of the community, including the CPTA.

Um I would ask you guys, please do not pass the water down ordinance.

Um please pass the ordinance that the CPTA gave you, which will allow DPD to not edit any footage.

DPD has killed two people in the past like week or so.

They're not required to send any body cam, although Detroit citizens pay for the body cam.

So they should be able to they it should be released and it should be released unredacted and unedited.

If I was ever accused of a crime and I had the opportunity to edit the video where I was shooting someone, I mean that would be ridiculous.

So I don't think I think the police should be held to a higher standard than um any low-level criminal.

And I think that that's like face.

Sorry, I don't have any words, babe.

You're okay, thank you.

The next caller is Victoria Camille.

Victoria, you're up next.

Hello, uh, city council.

My comments are for the public hearing, so I'll wait until then.

Okay, we'll bring you back then.

Who do we have next?

The okay.

The next caller is we're gonna go back to Cindy Dara and then we'll be ending with Miss Marguerite Maddox.

Cindy, can you hear us?

Yes.

Um as you should know, I I've been running as a write-in candidate for Detroit City Clerk when they refused to go over my petitions saying that I didn't sign some paper, they never gave me to sign when I turned the petitions in and they stamped them and accepted them.

So now I find out yesterday.

See, after that happened, I tried to uh put in as a write in for August and November.

They refused to let me do August because they said it was uh it wasn't gonna be on the ballot since Winfrey didn't have an official candidate against her, even though right-ins could have been against her then.

That was wrong too, I think.

But they I did do one right then for November, uh, right in uh application.

Now now I find they don't have any.

I'm not listed as a right-in candidate, so they don't they think they don't have to count my votes.

I'm trying to get approval voting.

Thank you, Miss Dara.

Oh, sorry.

Um, Ms.

Duncan, can we try the is the rush job caller still on?

Yes, but I do believe that was also Miss Um Miss Warwick.

I do as well, but can we just check?

Yes, madam chair.

Thank you.

Slow down the rush job on massive zoning changes has been unmuted.

You have been unmuted.

Can you hear me?

Yes, Miss Warwick.

We already gave you your time, so we're going to go to our next caller.

Just wanted to make sure Yeah, you put our time real short today.

That's pretty thank you, Miss Warwick.

We will now go to our last caller for general public comment before you cut it off with Miss Marguerite Maddox.

Ms.

Maddox.

Yes.

Yes, we can, Miss Maddox.

Good morning.

Morning.

We need to figure out the way that will be from the eyes.

Yeah.

Oh.

Um, really.

Oh.

Because it is very important.

Oh, what do they are doing?

Right on duty.

Um it's the outcome of the election.

We need you to be out and vote.

If you do not, yeah, vote.

Oh.

And you're right.

And then thank you very much.

Thank you, Miss Maddox.

Appreciate you.

And yes, folks should go out to vote.

You can vote today.

Voting has started early.

I know that you can come to K Mac, the Department of Elections, or even Clark Park from 9 to 5 from now until November 2nd.

So please go out and do so.

For everyone that called in regarding the truck routes, thank you all so much for doing so.

Um I completely agree that we need to make sure that we are expanding this throughout the city and that we have stronger enforcements.

Just so folks know, our office is working with the administration to make sure that we are building out a truck route in 4217.

It's going to be hard.

We have county, state, city roads.

That is why that's so difficult.

We are also in communication with Member Johnson's office, who is very eager to make sure that we are expanding this to the east side.

Completely agree that we need a better enforcement.

A mobile units is what we're going to be recommending to make sure that they are ticketing and collecting the fines.

We do agree we could this can be looked at for the city so that we can invest more in infrastructure, invest more in signage.

And it's not perfect.

And for me, it meant more to start to learn, and then to make sure that we're making amendments, making changes as we move forward.

So thank you all for your continued advocacy.

It is needed.

Just so you know, this is something that we're going to continue to work on and hope to make sure uh that we continue to do this with with residents who really do know the streets, really don't know do know the issues.

With that, I see that we have our director here with us.

Director Kramer, thank you so much for joining us.

Um if you wouldn't mind joining us here at the front of the stage.

We will now have our 1015 a.m.

uh reports for D DOT.

Um I know that this is something that's really important to a lot of people.

We do still have our 1030 a.m.

public hearing as well.

So Director Kramer, if we can just present.

I think I want to make sure that the public is able to see this, and we want to respect your time as well.

Um so I believe you should have sharing capabilities if you need them for the priests for any presentation or anything that you may have, if you have that for us.

Um, and then oh, it is on the screen.

Uh so whenever you're ready, just make sure your microphone is uh is unmuted and you can begin.

Great.

Uh thank you, Chair, and good morning uh to the committee.

Thank you for having us to provide this update.

It's been a while based on the how the calendars work.

So today we're getting kind of a two for one with the second and third quarters uh reports.

And uh we'll get right into it, and then certainly available to answer any questions or um hear any uh ideas from this group.

So our first uh our first item here is revenue miles.

If you can see here, I guess maybe uh the best way to maybe frame the conversation is over the summer uh we did have a uh pretty severe shortage of buses.

Uh we we had a service increase in April and in June, and right before that June service increase, uh we had a pretty big spike in the number of issues that brought buses uh not being available for service.

And so um, as you can see from the numbers, there's no sugar coating it.

Really, we believe in just reporting uh what the facts are.

We know people are experiencing the service out there, so there's no numbers I could tell you that would tell people something different.

Um, but that's the numbers you can reflect here.

You can see June, July, August, and September.

Uh we were at 90% or less of our revenue miles, meaning we were missing you know at least 10% of the revenue miles out on the service.

Uh the good news is that we're back up to basically the spot we were uh back in May over the last few weeks, and as I'll mention uh here in just a couple of slides, with the uh the new um model year 25 buses that are now hitting the road.

We've got 15 on the road today, and we've taken delivery of five each of the last two weeks.

Uh, we'll be able to have those buses plus fixing the other ones uh that were on a sustainable path uh to meet pull out and and really get back to um some really reliable service, which is our top goal.

So, okay, revenue miles.

This is what we're looking at here.

The darker line is uh this year, the lighter line is last year in transit, everything, which I think I've said every time is you always want to compare the same month from the previous year because the seasonal changes really do make a big difference.

But you can see here um revenue miles.

We can go on to the next one.

And again, most of the revenue miles uh that we're we're missing here are based on um buses not being available, although uh drivers is also a concern.

And that's the next slide, which is uh active TEOs.

You can see over the last six months we have basically held the line in the 490 range.

Um our requirement for the the service increase we instituted in June is we'd like to have 524.

That includes a 20% extra board.

So basically you schedule the the work, but of course uh drivers are certainly entitled to have time that they need to take off, sick time, vacation time, um, and so uh for that reason you want to have extra drivers available.

Right now we're a little bit short of that.

Um but as we'll talk about in a couple of slides, we believe we are making some progress here.

Um yeah, next slide, please.

So this is the TEOs in training.

We've continued monthly classes, so you can see this is a pretty pretty high number.

Um as of today, we have 108.

So we just started our largest class of the of the last seven or eight months, uh started last uh Monday, which was 50 56 uh TEOs that are in the pipeline, and uh we're we're planning to have another large class with a target of 60 for December as well.

Go to the next slide.

Um this is the the separations again, pretty somewhat similar to last year, a little bit higher based on just having a higher volume of uh TEOs.

And then we can go to ridership.

So ridership again, darker line here is this year, lighter line is last year.

You can see that generally speaking, we're increasing year over year, we're around 9% increase in in ridership.

And that is always a good thing, continues to go up.

Our pull-out on time performance, again, this is based on, as mentioned before, having a shortage of vehicles that are available.

And so if you don't have the vehicle, then it's impossible to have to pull out on time.

But all of the maybe just to frame in general, even though we're short vehicles, these are all opportunities for us to learn more about how our operations work.

And so we think a lot of the increased reporting and analysis we've been doing really position us well so that when those vehicles are available, which again we're very close now, the service will run even more efficiently and reliably than it uh did previously.

So again, kind of silver lining, always looking for opportunities to learn when we have those issues.

Um again, it's a good time to really learn where the pinch points are.

Um the next one is missed trips.

Again, this is just the inverse graph of the revenue miles essentially.

It's going to be very very close to the same because if you miss a trip, you're missing those miles.

Um again, our target here is four.

I mean, really, we'd like it to be closer to zero.

Um we're we believe we're close to having the vehicles we need, which will bring that back down to close to zero, which that is really our goal to make sure that the schedule is performed 100% of the time.

Our on-time performance uh is uh lower uh than it was.

I mean, equal to what it was last year at this time, but our goal is to get to 85%.

And um when you are short buses, that affects on-time performance because you have an increased number of uh boardings and disruptions, so it's kind of a double whammy.

Um we we uh we'll still get back up uh to 80, 85 percent or greater uh once we can have the vehicles on the road, which we're very close to.

So hopefully we'll have a great report next quarter.

Um the preventable crash rate, PCR.

Um, this is a rate you can see we're slightly lower than last year, but still uh not where we want to be, which would be one or below would be the target that I'd like us to get to.

That'd be comparable to many other agencies.

Um we have a lot of uh efforts we're putting toward this, but I know there's still more we need to do.

So we've actually about a weekly meeting every week to review all of the crashes that occur, do an analysis, determine if they're preventable or non-preventable, um, and then uh see what needs to happen from that as far as is there training discipline?

Is there something we need to do differently in our training program?

Uh so for instance, a lot of the crashes we've seen have been right side um right side uh fixed objects basically.

Um, and when you have very new drivers where you're getting kind of the feel of where the bus is as you're driving it, that's a pretty common item.

So it's thinking back is there something we need to have more on-road uh driving before they hit the road or something else.

That's just one example, but it's relatively uh common to have that right side, that's the more difficult side the maneuver when you're new to driving a bus.

And the next is the non-PCR.

Again, I'd like both of these to be under one.

Again, this is non-preventable.

The PCR is preventable crash rate, not as non-preventable.

DOT complaints.

So our complaints are higher than our goal of 15, which would be commensurate with having service where your on-time performance and your pull out is much lower than we'd like it to be.

That's most of the complaints.

Uh we are using this opportunity.

I think one of the more troubling complaints that does pop up is um is passenger pass buys.

So really focusing on getting to the bottom of those complaints and identifying in some cases it's a matter of a bus stop that is not clearly uh marked or or identified.

In other cases, it is a driver behavior issue.

Um, and so we're really um, you know, that's one complaint in particular.

We really take time to dig dig down into if you're not running all the service that you should, or if you're running behind, it makes it that much more important to make sure you're not passing somebody up that's at the bus stop at the right time.

Um the next one is DPD bus boardings, uh and this is basically just the uh the transit unit of DPD, uh, their bus boardings per month.

We've gotten a lot of uh feedback from uh the advocacy community and the public about maybe some different techniques that could be used.

We have regular weekly, if not closer to daily discussions with our partners at DPD about the best way to make sure that the transit centers and the buses are safe and continue to evaluate other adjustments to the approach.

But as you can see, generally speaking, the commitment is to have more boardings, more boardings, period, is a good place to start, and then see if there's other opportunities to have maybe a more nuanced approach and also thinking about the deployments at the transit centers versus on the road to see what are the best approaches to really form some positive relationships there.

But overall volume is up.

We do have some different uh data here, and and as always, we're open to feedback if there's different ways you'd like to see this reported.

But I think this is based on some past uh feedback from this committee.

Um so this is the number of times DPDs is responding to uh either of the transit centers by month and broken out by shift basically.

So you've got three different shifts, 247.

Um you can see that it's actually pretty even across the shifts.

Um there's nothing that jumps out to us there, except for maybe the overnight the last couple months has been a little bit higher, and that's actually when there's the lowest volume of buses going through.

But all of these are things that we take into account to make sure we have a practice that really helps the drivers and the passengers feel safe when they're using the system.

Next one is the types of incidents, and this is based on DPD, the transit reporting.

You can see that the most part are disturbances.

Uh there are uh accidents, medical emergencies, uh a very low number of TEO assaults that should be zero.

We had a couple instances the last uh few months of vandalism on the bus.

That'd be usually somebody uh breaking in a window or doing something else that would uh not disable the bus mechanically speaking, but something we need to pull off the road uh to repair.

And then the other has uh we added kind of uh a footnote there because other is a pretty big number, but it's really a very high variety of different choices that we could provide uh an additional uh breakdown there uh with our partners at DPD.

Paratransit is the next one.

So here our ridership on paratransit is up quite a bit from last year, about 15%.

Um that's about 4,500 more trips per month on average uh than last year.

So uh kind of uh it presents a budgeting challenge because in paratransit uh you are paying per trip, whereas on fixed route the more people is that's fine because the bus is on the road, whether there's 10 people or 100.

Um but that is a really good problem to have because it means the service is something that's really effective and uh useful for those who need it.

Uh the next slide is our report card, which if this was my child, I'd be very proud.

All A's and the letters here are um basically the uh making the 30-minute window is the is the uh threshold here.

So for someone who hasn't used it before, when you book a trip, you get a 30-minute window and they'll pick you up, and this is our percentage of how many times each one of the providers by weekday, Saturday, or Sunday is arriving within that window.

Um so again, I think 95% is the is the goal we're looking for, but 100% is where where we want to be, and um we've got a couple couple vendors that actually hit that for entire quarters, which is fantastic, but you can see overall everyone's um really doing a good job with that.

Our accidents per 100,000 miles driven here uh is um close to what it was last year, which is low.

That's a good thing.

We do still really take a look at every time there's uh a crash or incident that happens to make sure there's uh no action that needs to be taken or changes to training or or staffing.

Um the paratransit complaints is very low.

Um again for paratransit, it's a little bit different dynamic than fixed route because we are actually interacting with every person that uses the system to set up their trip.

So usually there's opportunities for them to express any concerns or questions they might have, and for us to work through them.

Plus, when you're showing up 100% of the time, it relieves most of the reasons you would have to complain.

And uh DDOTNO, so this is the quarter three is the first quarter that we had D dotnow.

For those of you not familiar with that, this is a same-day version of paratransit, so it's the same uh set of individuals.

You have to be uh ADA certified to qualify for this service, but the regular paratransit you have to book uh multiple days in advance.

For D DOT now, you can call up the same day, and then we have a number of trips available.

It's about 100.

Most days we're a little bit under that.

But it's a first come, first serve.

You can book it, and then when you're ready to uh return on the other end of your trip, you call and basically request a return as well.

That's been the only friction point so far is that people who are used to using the traditional paratransit get their pickup time, but they also get the return trip booked at the first time they book.

And so that's just been a little bit of education uh element, but making sure that people know that they do have to call to request the return trip.

Uh they can't just assume the the bus is going to show up for them.

And then going quickly, but happened happy to answer any questions.

Last couple slides here are just a little bit of an update on the shelters and stops program.

Uh so for the uh ad shelters, which are the shelters like you can see here that have the advertising panel on them.

This is a partnership with Brooklyn.

Uh 37 are installed.

We have eight more that are scheduled to be installed basically last week.

Again, we sent this a couple weeks ago.

Uh we've got 13 that are uh in the pipeline that need concrete work that's done, and then two that are on hold for other activities going there.

Our next phase is 100 standard shelters, and we're kind of in a long site design review process, and um anticipated that we'll have those all coming in next summer.

Um we're also working on a um a bench program that we'll have some more information on next time uh to further look for ways to enhance stops that can accommodate a shelter.

And then the next slide is the East Just Jefferson Quarter Project Timeline update.

Uh this one uh we've got you can see the the Lego bricks being built here, is what I like to call them for the platforms.

We've got um 16 locations along Jefferson.

There's five more that we have funding and this stuff for, but they're being held because there's major, I think it's water main work that's being done at those locations.

Uh so we want to wait till that work is finished to put those in.

Each location either does or within the next couple days will have a shelter and uh signage and everything to go with it.

The shelter and everything else goes on the sidewalk itself.

Uh and then we're finishing up uh last week we finished up all of the pavement markings and delineators because we want to make sure that these are highly visible because they are if you haven't stood out on one, you are standing kind of out there in traffic, which is a place that people often go to look and see if the bus is coming.

It's also makes boarding much easier because the bus can just pull up to the platform.

Also makes bikes safer because they don't have to pull across the bike lane in order to get to the curb.

So these are really great enhancements.

Uh Zicla, which is the company that makes these, this is their first installation in North America, so we're kind of uh popular in that regard to see how they're implemented.

They have a lot of implementations in Europe.

Um but these are very durable and much more cost afford cost effective than the alternative, which would be actually ripping out and putting in uh hard curves and uh a platform as well.

So really excited to see how these affect the reliability of service on Jefferson, which has um our highest frequency in the system every 10 minutes.

And then uh last thing there would be that there will be digital real-time, next departure, like tablet size signs, those will be going in the beginning of December at the same locations.

And the last thing, just quickly in marketing, we do have the ride free for three program.

We have 45 businesses that have enrolled and 79 individuals with new jobs at those businesses that have signed up.

Basically, the way it works is the businesses uh enroll in the program, it's free of charge for them.

Once they enroll, then they have the opportunity for any new employee.

Uh, they can put their name into the system, and then that employee would get three months of free bus passes to help them with transportation as they start their new job, and uh hopefully help them get some experience using the bus system to get around.

So kind of achieves a couple of uh goals at the same time.

Um we have had some billboards and other soft marketing, but uh really just begun kind of fine-tuning the system.

But so far it's been pretty uh pretty effective and uh looking to grow it more in the future.

And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

Thank you, Director.

When did this program go live?

Uh it went live, I think about three months ago with a really soft launch initially.

We got a couple businesses in, and then the billboards and other the other marketing materials were kind of late summer.

Okay, that sounds very cool.

Thank you for sharing that.

Um quickly, we approved a number of DDOT contracts for repairs, and we got some grants for some buses.

Um, hearing the issues of uh with our current stock of buses.

When do you think that we might be able to get back on track uh with the assets that we have?

Yeah, absolutely.

So uh the last couple weeks we've only been between five and ten buses short.

Uh at the worst time uh in the kind of the peak, we were about 40 buses short.

So we're very close to getting back, and that is thanks to being able to use some of those outside vendors to help with repairs.

Uh, we've been working through some bumps in the road with New Flyer, which is the new bus uh vendor.

They also had a pause in deliveries uh due to an issue on their line.

Uh but we are up to uh 15 are in service today.

Uh we have another 15 that are on site as of recent recently.

There's a process to go through, but all 45 of those buses, and then potentially also the four battery electric buses should be on the road by the end of the year, and that should be more than enough for us to have you know all of our pull out in place and and kind of get back to um uh the performance we're looking for uh with the couple we increase service about 10%.

So we're excited to be able to provide that more service, but also safely and reliably.

Understood.

Thank you.

Um because yes, we are making improvements, but I I agree we're learning through this process.

Um for our drivers, I believe there are negotiations happening right now.

Do you know when that's going to when those are going to come to a close?

Um and how is that going?

You can't discuss details, I'm sure.

But yeah, I I think uh yes, negotiations are ongoing, and we're we're hopefully that it will be uh done soon and then uh brought to council for your approval.

But uh optimistic that that will give us uh more tools um to uh help uh increase our uh recruiting and retention and and also take care of the drivers.

Okay.

Um and you know, in support of what drivers need, we need drivers to be able to make sure that we're getting them on buses and buses out and and and hearing um the competition around us uh with other bus companies, just the need to make sure that we also have competitive wages for our drivers so that we're able to keep them.

Um the last thing that I'll ask before turn it over to to my to my colleagues.

Um would you mind sharing about the upcoming afternoon shift changes?

Um I believe we are correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I saw somewhere that we're going to change our I think our morning and our afternoon shifts should strengthen the evening shifts.

One of the concerns that I heard often is that the morning bus routes are are pretty strong.

We have issues now with the buses if they're if they're not showing up.

Yeah after work um being the the bigger issue.

I myself have had buses not show up when I'm trying to go home after work.

Um but did I read somewhere that we're going to try to address that by changing um the shifts of our buses?

Yes, essentially, so um we adjust our service once a quarter.

Um and so there's a pretty long runway where you have to kind of uh plan that out.

So what we're uh having a public hearing on here, I can't remember the date, but it's in November.

We're having a public hearing for the January service changes.

And uh not to get too deep in the weeds, but essentially we're we're recutting all of the runs.

So in the transit world, basically you you can take time to design exactly how everything works, when it pulls out of the uh when it pulls out of the barn, the layovers, the break times, and everything.

We haven't really recut the whole thing cleanly since before COVID.

And so hearing and seeing about where those pinch points are is we're gonna recut everything.

It will mean we'll actually shave off or reduce some of the buses strategically, but that's really with the aim as you mentioned to make sure that the ones we have out there are more reliable.

So some of the overnight service you're gonna trim, maybe uh an extra bus that was out there and make sure that that helps the that like late afternoon is definitely our worst time as far as on-time performance.

Okay, thank you.

That's exciting.

Um encourage anyone to be a part of that or to tune in, follow along D DOT's work if you want to tune into that.

Are there any questions or comments for my colleagues for D DOTs?

Uh Vice Chair.

Uh thank you.

I'm gonna try to keep this quick.

I know we have a uh robust agenda before us.

Um some good metrics, uh, some that are challenging, looking to see uh transition.

Looking at the TEO assaults, uh where are we with our recently approved uh code of conduct ordinance and just changing the uh the ridership experience for people, including our TEOs.

Yeah.

My understanding is there's there's kind of one more round of adjustments before we actually have the policy that puts that into place.

Obviously, the ordinance was approved, uh, but I'll make sure we have uh a detailed update for you on that.

Okay, and then what are we looking at as far as metrics uh regarding our East Jefferson uh corridor platforms?

What are we looking for metrics to say this is a good investment, we should do more of this?

What are we looking at to uh guide our future?

Yeah, great question.

So we've been doing some kind of in-depth analysis on the uh boarding times in particular.

This is something actually the mayor is really focused on with this project overall is what are ways we can improve the reliability and decrease the time it takes to uh go through a corridor.

So we've done a lot of pre-collection of information about kind of how people are paying, how long it's taking them to get through the boarding process and how that's uh working into the buses, because I think that's going to be the biggest area for improvement that you could measure is the speed of boarding and uh lighting along the route.

So we've collected, we got a good, which is really important.

We collected a good base of data beforehand, and then that's what we'll be comparing up comparing that against, and then really looking at uh what other corridors this could support.

Obviously, the more ridership you have, uh the you you want to have an improvement like this to keep things moving.

Uh but obviously uh the jurisdiction of the quarter often has uh potential hiccups.

So Jefferson was picked because it's a city street.

You know, Grand River also has this same enhanced 10-minute frequency that we instituted in June, but that's a state corridor, so we really have to kind of look at what are the opportunities to put this in place.

Uh but as mentioned, if you're gonna do uh an improvement like this, or you have kind of the the bump outs if you want to call them that, um, this solution uh we're also interested to see how it holds up.

Um it's supposed to be able to be um it has some anchors into the the uh the pavement itself, and so it's supposed to be pretty durable over the long period, but it's much cheaper.

I think it's like maybe 10% of the cost.

Maybe it's a little bit more than that, but it's a pretty big delta between uh this application and actually having to put in curbs and concrete.

So it would really be something that could add uh some some improvements elsewhere in the city as well.

Okay, and I'm hoping we're looking for durability as well, which you indicated and you can see what's going on with some of our uh plastic speed cushions over the years are looking a little worse for wear and they're starting to bubble and not look as maintained as I hope that they would.

Uh and this finally just looking at ridership up nine percent.

Why?

That's a good thing.

Well, why?

Why are we seeing an increase?

Well, I mean, we've increased service twice.

Uh I know early in the year before we increased service, we had we were doing really well with reliability.

I think our on-time performance was a little bit over 80 percent.

Our miss trips were pretty low, and so that was getting us on the right track.

Then increasing service obviously also kind of induces some demand.

And so I I really think that um when we can get back to the numbers we want to be at as far as the miss trips being low, um, that you'll continue to see some really good growth you know the this last quarter and into next year as well.

Okay, I'm hoping that we're going to start to talk about that and market and brand our services is not a service of last resort.

It can be the service of first choice, and as my colleague says, if we are at this table taking public transit for work and home, it's something that everybody in the city can do.

So I'm hoping we're looking along those lines for the future of the service.

Thank you.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Um, one final question that came up to me uh for me is have we hired our community liaison?

Um not sure what the title is going to be.

Um, but we put money in the budget to hire someone, either a social worker, somebody that can help support us in providing really wraparound services or meeting gaps.

So, folks, where are we with that hiring?

We haven't hired yet, but we do have the the title.

I believe it's community health liaison or something along those lines, and it's it's right along the lines of what was in the budget, and so we'll provide an update as soon as that's completed.

But we are working on it.

Awesome.

Okay, thank you.

Very much appreciate that.

Yes, Vice Chair.

And just speaking of that, and I had the opportunity to ride on the uh pair transit once, and I believe a service like that would be especially beneficial to those um riders, just because during the conversations, they had no idea of the number of other services that we had available to them, and just having that ability to connect in the services would be a game changer for many of those clients.

So I think that's a really good idea, and hoping that it will be extended to pay or trans prioritize there.

I think that special population could really benefit.

Not that others couldn't, but they could really benefit from those type of services and wraparound services.

Thank you.

Yeah, thank you, Vice Chair.

Um, I know that I saw the need taking the bus and seeing folks that really just need help.

They're they're going through some challenges and they need some help.

Um well, thank you, Director, for being here.

When I first started um receiving these reports, uh DDOT was arriving on time about 60 percent of the time.

Uh we are getting better.

We are not there just yet.

Um, but also when I started Paritransit was getting uh a uh failed grade, an F.

I saw Fs.

That's what we saw.

To see A's, it gives me a lot of hope that if we continue to invest and to do the right thing for people, uh, then we will get better results.

Um you needed exact change at what points to get on the bus, and I think soon you can pay with your phone or a card.

Thank you.

So thank you so much for taking in these recommendations and for your hard work.

Is there anything else you want to share with us?

The public hearing is Thursday, November 20th.

Thursday, November 20th for anyone that's interested in the recutting of the routes.

And then actually, Director, while you're here, um this report is line is line item eight point twenty-six.

If we can receive and file.

We can receive and file eight points twenty-six, that is a report that was just shared with us.

But also, Director, eight point eighteen is a four point three million dollar contract for D D DOT remanufactured bus transmission parts and repair services.

If you'd like, since you're here, um if there's a motion to discuss, we can get this out the way before we go into our hearing.

Motion.

Thank you.

We're discussing 8.18.

Director, if you want to go through this with us for us to move this along.

Sure.

So this is an ongoing contract with uh WW Williams, and this is for remanufactured bus bus tournaments, transmission parts and repair services.

This is one of the vendors we mentioned has helped us kind of get out of the hole we were in over the summer, but on an ongoing basis, this is one of the vendors alongside a few others that provide some very specialized uh work for us when it comes to especially in their case, transmission work and and some uh hybrid drive elements as well.

Um so this contract is just to provide um ongoing services that we need for them to help us with buses that uh we cannot um complete those repairs in-house.

Okay.

Are there any questions for eight point eighteen?

Yeah.

Is there a motion to approve?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, eight point eighteen will be approved.

Sent to is there a motion to send to new business?

Motion.

This will be sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Thank you, Director.

Much appreciated.

Discussion.

Uh Vice Chair.

For the director departs, we also have line on 7.2, which are the transit flee cameras.

I know this is a do-it contract, but since we have the uh corporate knowledge here, I'd like to see if we can't take this up while we have the director of D DOT or at least ask questions about D DOT's experience with these type of cameras.

So there's been a motion to discuss.

7.2.

Um this so this is contract number 600 7484.

And yes, this is for the fleet cameras and spare parts.

Uh director, is there anything that you want to share with us regarding this contract?

How will this support you?

Uh this contract is with SAN, which is our current uh fleet camera vendor.

Um there is uh a larger project to replace the uh entire system that's going to be um considered um pretty soon by the end of this year.

Uh but to make sure that this system can continue functioning.

Uh we do need um this uh contract for some additional camera kits, which is basically assemblies that go on a bus, all the parts you would need.

This is to make sure we can outfit the new buses that are coming in and spare parts to keep the system going for what we're anticipating is about another six months.

So this is uh our current vendor, and that's what this uh contract is for.

Thank you.

And I know that we were also holding this to make sure that we got the COGS reports, which we did receive.

It's been posted now for 14 days for anyone that's interested in reviewing that as well.

Um there any questions for 7.2 or any other comments?

Discussion.

Vice Chair?

Thank you through yourself to Mr.

Kramer.

And so, how are the bus drivers receiving the cameras being fleet-wide?

They've uh through the chair, they've been fleet-wide for for quite a while.

This is kind of the end of the useful life of this current system.

Um, and we have some pretty good rules in place as far as you know how they're used.

I think that um and and maybe speaking from my experience at SMART, uh, because I was there when we actually had that transition, um, and also Lake Erie Transit, which is kind of a uh subsidiary smart had the same discussion.

I think initially there was some hesitation um from drivers about that, but at the end of the day, it really helps uh in in both directions.

Um if there is something that happens on the bus, it often provides the the uh information, the facts that we we need um to see what actually happened.

Uh really helps with us analyzing crashes, uh kind of categorizing them as preventable, non-preventable.

Um so I think on the whole it's something that really is a a good tool because um it it it really um it works just with facts, I think is the best way to put it.

All right, thank you.

Yeah.

Any other questions?

I see our director.

Oh, he just jumped off her chief information.

I forget your title, sir.

Okay, if you wouldn't mind stating your name and title for the public.

Oh, you're muted.

Sorry about that.

Uh good morning.

R.

Thompson Chief Information Officer for the City of Detroit.

Oh, I I I was on the right track.

Um, anything else that you would like to share regarding 7.2.

Nope, uh, Director Kramer uh nailed it.

So nothing, nothing to add.

All right.

Um, hearing no other questions, is there a motion to approve 7.2?

Motion.

Hearing no objection, 7.2 will be approved, sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

Director, thank you so much.

We have a few more DDOT things that we'll get to once we get to that agenda.

I want to get to our 1030.

Have a good rest of your day.

With that, everyone, I would like to call to order our 1030 a.m.

public hearing.

The 1030 a.m.

public hearing is regarding an ordinance to amend Chapter 26 of the 2019 Detroit City Code, law enforcement by adding articles 5, release of incident footage to include sections 26-5-1.

Definition, sections 26-5-2, required release of incident footage, manner of release, duration, compilation permissible sections 26-5-3, release timeline of incident footage, sections 26-5-4, expectations to release of incident footage, good faith effort to release, sections 26-5-5, notice to affected parties, and sections 26-5-6, legal process in order to foster government transparency.

We do have here the law departments, the uh member that is uh spearheading this as well, and to whoever we have online that is able to discuss, would you mind introducing yourselves?

Uh Deputy Chief Michael Parrish on behalf of the Detroit Police Department.

Thank you for joining us, Deputy.

And um, Member Callie, I'll turn it over to you if you want to set the stage for this discussion.

We can turn it over to the law department, talk about the process, DPD before we go into public comment.

Thank you, madam chair.

Um, and um good afternoon to my um well, good morning to my colleagues and also to everyone here and everyone who's listening.

Um we started working on this ordinance about a year ago, and um the city council will review this ordinance regulating the release of Detroit Police Department dash cam and body cam video.

And I submit to you that um it's not a perfect document, it's a start, as our constitution was written in 1787, and since that time it has been amended multiple times, which meant in 1787.

Our founding follow uh our founding fathers knew that it was just a beginning.

It was a beginning document, as this document is.

It's not a perfect document, but it's the beginning.

I expect that down the road in the years or per perhaps the months to come, it will be amended, but it's a good start as our constitution in 1787.

That being said, the ordinance will provide for the release of video within a reasonable time from a police incident.

City staff members reviewed the regulations of other cities to determine the standard amount of time and made a recommendation that the Detroit Police Department release video within 30 days, with some exceptions.

This ordinance has the approval of the Detroit Police Department and the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office and our law department.

Some may ask for a shorter time period.

I understand that.

We understand the concern, but under the circumstances, the 30-day time period at this time is appropriate.

Please remember that this ordinance can be amended in the future, if needed, as our document, the constitution.

For now, this ordinance is a good first step in the right direction.

To not do anything is unacceptable.

Thank you, madam chair.

Thank you.

Member Callaway to the law departments.

Anything you want to add?

Through the Chair Graham Anderson Law Department.

Um, as uh councilmember Calloway said there is a lot of work that's gone into this ordinance, certainly some of the the most work since I've been here at the law department, um going back and forth in the legislative process to make this happen.

I want to highlight a few things in the black letter law of this ordinance.

When we discuss an incident, here's what it is defined in the ordinance.

An incident means any of the following.

When a Detroit police officer discharges their firearm in a manner that strikes or potentially could strike another individual, even if no alligation of misconduct is made.

Number two, when a Detroit police department employee discharges a non-lethal weapon in a manner that strikes another individual, and uh results in death or great bodily harm.

And finally, when, as a result of a use of fourth force by a police officer, the death of or great bodily harm to a person occurs while that person is in police custody.

So just that's what we're just talking about here when we discuss what an incident means.

In terms of what great bodily harm means, I know Councilmember Benson asked this previously.

It means any injury that is serious enough to require treatment in a hospital or similar medical treatment facility.

The city, as um councilmember Callaway pointed out, shall post all incident footage within a 30-day timeline.

This footage, once it's on the portal or website, will rate remain there for 60 days to be viewed by the public.

Moving to 2653.

The footage to be released shall be released to the public no more than 30 days.

That is the agreement that we um came to from the date of the incident, unless a request is made to delay that footage in accordance with there's um a variety of um exceptions that could delay that process, both potentially coming from the federal or state levels of law enforcement agency, as well as the county prosecutor Kimworthy currently um will have jurisdiction to potentially delay that matter as well.

Now all of these requests will be made to corporation council for viewing uh to determine if they are so appropriate.

And finally, what I want to get into is not just the delays, but the actual exceptions for the release of this incident footage.

What it which is laid out in 2654 of this ordinance.

The first is footage that collectively bargained terms prohibit the city from releasing.

Number two is footage captured along the use of uh federal or state task force in um employees or officers as well.

Third is footage explicitly prohibited by a court order.

Fourth is footage that would be otherwise excluded under uh FOIA, and finally, footage determined by corporation counsel to be prejudicial in a civil matter.

So this does not just completely open the the floodgates for anything and everything under the sun, as some I know have um worried about concerns, but at the same time, as Councilmember Callaway pointed out, this is a starting point that there is currently no nothing on the books right now.

This is all new uh black letter law we wrote into our code here.

A lot of this was modeled after the similar ordinance in Chicago.

So this is it it's been um uh a great uh back and forth of legislation getting to this point, a lot of work and efforts come into this.

I and to get ahead of some of the comments.

I know there was some concerns I heard regarding the possibility of edited footage.

Um the yes, the the footage to be released will be edited.

There will be a caption making it clear that this is edited footage, it's not trying to surprise anyone with anything like that, but it it's not necessarily something nefarious.

It's um if uh a body cam footage captures other individuals there, potentially blurring out their faces is one example I can think of, and that that's something that we would want edited when releasing this footage to the public.

And I'm sure uh DPD can speak uh further on uh additional details that uh has that importance as well.

But that's that's what I have at this point, and I'm happy to answer any additional questions as they come my way.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh to DPD, um, I do have some questions.

Um there's mention that we cannot share footage um that has already been discussed, agreed agreed upon in the collective bargaining terms.

Are you able to share what those are?

I'm not aware of the collective bargaining agreement in its current state stopping us from releasing uh video footage uh under this ordinance.

Okay.

And then uh yes, Scream Anderson, attorney um uh to to your point uh that's a great question.

Well there's nothing specifically that that we can point to here where we're uh in a general sense we're putting that for the collective bargaining terms is something in the state of Michigan, as you know, everyone knows collective bargaining is the birthplace here as such.

Collective bargaining terms are always incredibly powerful.

Um so it's just something that we have that language in there to respect potential uh language in collective bargaining.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um to police, this is going to be or to ever whoever can answer this question.

We are utilizing, we're saying that we can release footage after 30 days.

There is an ask of community to release after seven.

Why can we not release after seven?

I can take that question.

Uh there's a lot that goes into releasing video.

Umtably is that the video does have to undergo edits to help ensure that we're not releasing any anything that is covered by criminal justice information statutes, as well as anything that would uh release somebody's personally identifying information.

Uh also the department currently uh has a 30-day release policy, and getting videos out within that 30-day timeline uh is sometimes challenging, depending on the complexity of the incident, the number of cameras that are at issue, and the work of our investigators.

Um it takes time to thoroughly investigate, it takes time to collect all the video, to review it, to analyze it, and to ultimately edit it and compile it so that it can be released in a row in a responsible manner uh as well as a productive manner.

Um of the notes that I have here uh to relate a council is uh as um as the council member who's sponsoring this ordinance indicated, Chief Edison is supportive of this ordinance.

And as this uh honorable body is aware, the DPD already does release video as a matter of policy of its uh critical incidents, most notably officer involved shootings.

So that uh so that we uh uh city council has our full support of this ordinance.

Uh that being said, right now, what we're doing internally is pulling statistics to find to help us project the number of incidents that will actually actually be subject to this ordinance so that we can adjust our internal systems, hire new personnel if necessary, get additional resources if necessary, so that uh when the time by the time this ordinance goes into effect, we are prepared to release video in conjunction with this ordinance.

We do know we're gonna be releasing more video, and we just want to make sure that we have the resources available, both personnel and material, uh, to accomplish it consistent with this ordinance.

So it's not just a matter of downloading video and putting it online.

If it were that simple, it it we would probably get it out much faster.

Right now, 30 days is an aggressive timeline for us, and as indicated, as we build up our systems and we build up our personnel resources that get us to where we want to be.

If the council wants to revisit the 30-day timeline, of course, we would have no objection to that.

But we want to make sure that whatever our obligations are under the ordinance, we can live up to them.

Thank you.

If you currently already have a 30-day release internal policy, how do you see this ordinance strengthening or it being any different than what you currently already have now?

Uh so this ordinance is more expansive.

So currently uh we release uh we release video uh through video compilation uh through our media that's developed through our media relations team and our professional standards team working together uh within 30 days.

Uh however, we currently release it for officer involved shootings, those being the most critical incidents that we deal with.

Uh this ordinance is more expansive.

We're going to be releasing video that uh that um whether it's an whether it involves a shooting incident, whether it involves a taser incident, whether it involves a pepper spray incident, uh, whether it involves another serious use of force that uh results in somebody uh getting medical treatment at a medical facility.

So we're gonna be releasing uh a lot more video uh as a result of this ordinance, uh which is why I just note uh we want to make sure that we have the systems in place uh to live up to our obligations under this ordinance before it takes effect.

So we're doing that work right now.

We do support this ordinance.

Thank you.

Um are we able to with this um I don't know if we can, but um video release if someone claims that an officer is being discriminatory or is being inappropriate.

I have unfortunately heard and I have seen many new young officers um often flirting with women while they're on their jobs.

If we heard a complaints of such, uh, can we release video footage showing that the person is being inappropriate or if they're being discriminatory?

Something more than just physical harm.

There's also um how we interact with the public.

Um I don't believe that this is included in this ordinance, but can that be something that we discuss as well?

Through the chair.

Uh it's certainly something that can be discussed.

Uh a lot of things are running through my head as you uh uh proposed that idea.

So it is something that certainly can be discussed and should be discussed uh at a later time.

Absolutely.

Attorney Anderson.

I'm in agreement.

Uh this is something that currently is not covered in what we define as an incident.

But as uh councilmember Callaway pointed out at the beginning of this discussion, that is something as we move down the road that could potentially be added.

Okay, thank you.

A few more questions.

I'll turn it over to my colleagues, and then we can go into public comments.

Um essentially how uh so you're DPD, you're saying you currently already do this, so it's being enforced already, and you were going to work towards enforcements.

Um there is also notes that there's going to be a website created for this as well, or how how will the public be able to access uh the video, or will there be a database somewhere where we were able to access uh the information?

My understanding understanding is that the ordinance requires a a website or online access, and we will work with uh IT, City IT to create that uh that page for that purpose.

Okay, that's one of the things that we're discussing internally as far as the mechanics of making this happen.

Okay, thank you.

Are there any questions from my colleagues?

If not, we can turn it over to public comments.

Discussion.

Vice Chair.

Thank you.

Thank you to my colleague for uh making this happen.

Um, it results in a product that not everyone is happy with with, but often means that that is a good product that you're moving forward.

So thank you for uh making this happen.

Um the conversation regarding editing.

And so will there be the opportunity to do editing in a situation where you have an option involved shooting or there's an assault on the victim side.

You've been victimized once and now you may be victimized again on the news by rehashing and graphically showing this incident.

And is there a way to protect the dignity of victims as well through this process?

Yes, uh absolutely.

Uh, the editing process will certainly remove any sort of personal identifying information, including the the the person's uh uh face.

But also uh this ordinance does provide uh for something that uh isn't something that we're doing right now, but it certainly is progressive, and that is to give stakeholders an opportunity to be notified and uh uh potentially even object uh to the release of the video.

I'll defer to the law department to expand on that provision uh of the ordinance.

That is something that we did see in other cities.

Uh it's not something we currently do right now, uh, but it is something that we do support.

Uh again, the mechanics of that we're still working on internally.

But we do want people to let us know uh if they have concern regarding the release of any information whatsoever regarding this issue, and that'll be taken into account.

Through the chair, uh fantastic question, Councilmember Benson.

If you look at 2655 of the ordinance notice to affected parties, it states a prior to the release of the information, the city shall attempt to notify any person, including any civil employee who was directly involved in the incident and is depicted in the footage, or if that person is deceased or otherwise unavailable, that person's legal representative and or next of kin that footage of any related information will be released and by the date of such release.

So uh exactly as was pointed out, this is something that effort will be made to identify anyone involved in this footage and clear it with them beforehand.

Okay, and then where are the uh Wayne County, where's the Wayne County prosecutor's office, and where is the chief of police on this ordinance?

Through the chair, um, as was stated earlier, the uh chief of police is in support of this ordinance.

Um I was in the meeting with officer uh or officer prosecutor Kim Worthy.

She had uh various comments and inputs.

We heard that and made edits to the ordinance and have incorporated that into this final draft.

All right, thank you.

Thank you.

Another sign of a good piece of work.

Thank you.

May I um Madam Chair?

Member Calloway.

Thank you so much.

Um, thank you, Member Benson, for that for that question.

I was in that meeting with the prosecutor and the law department and the chief and the deputy chief, um, Franklin Hayes.

So um it was it was tense the discussions, but we were able to come to a happy um I I believe a happy medium, uh a good agreement.

And um, like I indicated earlier, madam chair, and to everyone who's listening, this is not a perfect document as our constitution, which I said earlier passed in 1787, has been amended 27 times since that time.

The most recent amendment that was ratified was in 1992.

I thank God that we have the opportunity to amend this because if not, if the constitution had to be um the way it was written in 1787, I'd still my ancestors we would not be free.

And the 13th amendment abolished slavery.

So we know that this um this ordinance will be amended, and we know that our constitution of these United States will continue to be amended.

So again, thank you, madam chair, it's not a perfect document, but it's a good beginning.

And thank you to the law department, the DPD, and the prosecutor's office.

Thank you.

Thank you.

If there is nothing else, we'll go into public comment for the 10 30 a.m.

public hearing.

I will be cutting off public comments in two minutes, so please raise your hand now if you are online.

If you were online and you would like to make public comment, please raise your hand now.

Here in person, Miss Duncan is going around now collecting people's names.

So if you are here in person and you would like to make public comments, uh please make sure that you speak to Miss Duncan uh before we get started.

And I will give everyone a minute uh for public comment for our 1030 a.m.

public hearing.

Apologies to folks.

Yes, I usually give two minutes, but today uh we haven't even gotten into our agenda.

We have just gone through discussion so far.

So I appreciate everyone's patience with me while I try to get through everything today.

With that, uh again, if you are here and you would like to make public comments, make sure that you have your hands raised.

We're going to begin with the folks that we have here in person.

When I call your name, please uh again come to the front of the room, take a seat, make sure your microphone is churn on.

We're gonna begin with Tanya Wells, followed by Scotty Bowman.

And again, go right ahead, take a seat, make sure that the microphone is on, and we will put your minutes on the clock.

Also, just a note and a reminder.

This public comments is only regarding our 1030 a.m.

public hearing.

If you uh begin to discuss any other items, I need to stop you and ask you to uh to come back for general public comments um during formal session or next week if you would like to make public comment here.

Um but we are going to begin with the folks that we have first.

Ms.

Tanya Wells, whenever you're ready.

Um make sure your microphone is on.

I don't have a job.

All right, Miss Wells, are you here to discuss the I hear because what I just heard when since I got here at 1111, I disagree with when the uh police commissioners meet and they approve the the cameras for the officers to be on their bodies, they took that another step forward.

You we'll put those cameras on our bodies, but we're gonna black out this face and black out that face, black out this information, black out that information.

No, you can't do that.

It has to be done the same way it was presented to the Board of Police Commissioners.

You can't change it by doing it like this.

And a constitutional summit has to be made in order to change the constitution.

I ain't heard of no summit being called to change any amendment or any portion of the 1963 constitution that the city ordinances were based on.

The city charter is based on the 1963 constitution, and until we have a constitutional summit, you can't change a constitutional anything.

That's what the law says.

Thank you, Ms.

Walls.

We'll now hear from Scotty Bowman, followed by Ronald Foster, and public comments is cut off.

Yeah, um, hi.

Uh I'm Scotty Bowman.

I am um elected um member of the District 4 Community Advisory Council.

I am um founder of Detroit Residents Advancing Civilian Oversight, which is a member group of um Coalition for Police Transparency and Accountability.

Um I am also um I guess you could say Commissioner elect presumptively um for the Board of Police Commissioners starting next year.

Um take on this is yeah, it is definitely got some um it could be better.

But that what's on the table right now isn't amending it to make it better.

There isn't a different proposal, we're not constructing a proposal today.

This is simply um whether or not this particular proposal will be um made law or not.

And right now we don't really have um any um anything really with teeth to um push for the release of these videos, and I think um any movement in the direction of greater transparency is desirable.

And for those reasons, I um I support this.

Okay, thank you.

We will now hear from Ronald Foster, followed by Jadante.

Good morning, uh, through the chair, just very briefly.

Um I think always support transparency in government.

Um think that it's necessary to build public trust.

I have a few questions though.

In light of the city's contract with AI and other things and the way that this country is going.

How vulnerable are these footages to any AI distortions?

Um considering that people um that these footages may end up in courts and trials um that involves people's lives and futures.

What is the integrity of the footage?

Thirdly, um, is this ordinance going to put some teeth more teeth into the Freedom of Information Act and the release of information so people can go up there and get that?

And lastly, considering that there's a 72 hours for a ram and 14 days for a preliminary examination and discovery must be present.

Is 30 days sufficient enough for body cameras?

Thank you.

Jadante.

Uh good afternoon.

I just want to say, Scott, I sent you uh well, but Councilmember Scott, I sent you a few of those abandoned house addresses.

But I want to say when it comes to I'm I don't know, I have to stick to the topic.

So when it comes to this ordinance, I do a lot of work with this ordinance.

I go to BOPC every single Thursday.

I've been there more than some of the commissioners.

I just watched gang enforcement in District 7 and CBI zone forced Detroit.

Shame on you.

I watched gang enforcement three officers stop a young black male and his girlfriend or friend while walk for walking while black, detain it for 20 minutes at 11 p.m.

on Joy Rhode and Pearson, and people think it's okay to have stop and frisk and see if you trade gang enforcement.

If they stop you, they should have an arrest.

They've detained him.

I'm I'm listening and this is on topic for the ordinance because that footage is not released.

Okay, Dante.

Go ahead.

Go right ahead.

You have 25 seconds left.

You can go right ahead.

I'll listen.

What was your no?

I'm just being told that you're not focused on the topic, so I need to make sure that you are topic on topic.

Okay, then you have 25 seconds, you can finish.

Like I was saying, saw a witness stop and frisk in the seventh in the in the uh 7th district of Detroit.

Um, and there was a very, very terrible uh stop.

And there was a 20-minute detainee um of of an individual from gang enforcement.

They stop you, they should have exact facts.

This person was stopped.

His fourth amendment was violated, and he was released, and that's could have been a lawsuit very easily against the city.

So we need body cam footage to be released because officers realize their body cam footage is personal, so it's not gonna get out unless it is for you, and they know that even though it's not a useful force, it could have been easily useful force.

All right, thank you.

That is all the folks that we have here in person.

And I'm just trying to listen, folks.

I can't listen if we're not able to let them speak.

So thanks everyone for again your patience.

We're turning it over now to the folks online.

Who do we have first?

The first caller is William Davis.

Mr.

Davis.

Hello, can I be heard?

Yes, you can be heard.

Oh, okay.

Um, as a former elected police commissioner, at one point during the time I was on the board, we was able to release body one camera in less than six hours.

Because it was uh incident going on on social media about the police executing the black man in the streets over there in district too.

So I think this language can and should be stronger.

Also, I think we need to make sure before they do on these uh edits that somebody in partial is in the room and aware what's going on.

I think our police department in general do a pretty good job, but this still makes it makes it easier for them to cover up and hide stuff.

So I think we could do a better job than what this is.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Davis.

That is interesting to hear.

I appreciate your comments.

Who do we have next?

Next, we have Owner Papa.

Miss Carolyn Hughes, you have one minute.

Thank you.

And through the chairman, I be heard.

Good morning.

Yes, good morning.

I don't I think this ordinance is not ready to be voted on.

I think that they um we're talking about body cam and where is the raw footage.

I think that if we we are paying for the police, we're paying for the uniform, the body cam.

I don't think collective bargaining should even come into uh issue because it's it's not their video, it belongs to the citizens who pay for it and for the storage.

Um I am in agreement with uh the last caller that it it does not promote transparency.

What it promotes is something other than transparency.

I think we should uh delineate out those police shootings that are fatal versus um just an incident.

I think we can do that by saying anytime there's someone killed, you have to release the footage within seven days, and we need a raw footage, even if you um alter the footage, you need a copy of the raw footage and not the redacted footage.

And I think that should be in the possession of the citizens.

Thank you.

The next caller is Alexandra Fields.

Hi, uh, I'm here again from uh district six, and I just would love if the city's um attorney would be able to delineate which circumstances that they would edit the footage instead of redacting.

I'm not sure if it's intentional that he's sort of conflating the words edit versus redact, but I would just love any situation because all the situations where he said he would edit the footage, it sounded like redact.

If you're protecting a minor witness, of maybe you need to blow blur their faces, but I don't see any situation where we would have to edit any footage at all.

I also would just want to reaffirm that DPD, he said he couldn't get the footage out within 30 days.

That's that's not that's ridiculous.

DPD has almost half of the city's budget in the city of Detroit, one of the most impoverished cities in the nation.

They have almost a half a billion dollar budget.

They need to figure it out.

That's footage we pay for, we pay for those uniforms.

Figure it out.

We're entitled to transparency.

This is the bare minimum.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The next caller is Ann Byrne.

The chair and the committee, thank you for hearing me on this issue.

Um, I want to make it perfectly clear that I am full in full support of transparency and all of these issues.

The biggest thing is protection of witnesses in a city that still rides or dies on no snitches and stitches get ticked uh stitches.

Um, we absolutely have to protect witnesses.

Um, we need to make sure that the 30 days does not become the standard for release, and that every effort is made to make a much faster release uh whenever possible.

Uh the second thing is that we have a culture within our department of handling the public to satisfy what they think we want to hear, and we need to kill that culture because killing that culture eliminates some of these suspicions.

The other thing is we have people that never ever participate in police community relations until there's an incident, and we also need to change that so that we actually have relations.

Thank you.

The next caller is slow down the rush job on massive zoning change.

Miss Warwick, you're up next.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Okay, I don't know what was happening yet.

So so so.

Actually, a family member of former police chief white.

Surprise, surprise, he didn't produce his video.

And I yet, thank God the other cop kept his video on.

And so I'm on I'm handcuffed for like 40 minutes going, you got your video, you got your video.

Oh, yeah, we want the video, we want the video.

And then surprise, surprise, he didn't produce it.

So I do understand that concern about witness protection.

That is an issue that needs to be dealt with, but also you should include uh maybe videos, although some of them could be pri should be private from the detention center, because those are kind of law enforcement officers because I was uh mistreated and forcibly stripped at the detention center illegally, but nobody at the BOPC can.

The next caller is not that Karen.

Yes, hello.

Yes, we can hear you.

Great.

Um, yeah, of course, something is better than nothing, and we have to start somewhere.

But um, 30 days is a long time, and we're depending on integrity of everyone that comes in contact with these videos.

And we know that integrity is not so great with the majority, or I won't say majority, but a great number of our public servants.

So it's gonna be hard for the public to feel, uh, especially with AI, and then you got your IT department, and they're loose with people's information.

So I think that we we really need to tighten up this ordinance to uh have some type of safeguards, uh, see who's watching the watcher, you know, that type of thing.

Uh so just to to say we want to have this ordinance, and you know, you got the same people who are responsible in the videos for scrutinizing the videos.

It seems like you you put in uh, you know, the box and and uh uh and with the chickens.

I don't think that's a very good idea.

We gotta find another way, independent of our system.

The next caller, Cindy Dara.

Cindy, you're up next.

Cindy, if you're speaking, we cannot hear you.

I'm I'm here.

Okay.

Uh Rosemary Robinson got that uh Cam thing passed in the state legislature because she was a criminal liar as as well as a state and the first woman to be uh Wayne County commissioner too.

But uh the reason she did that because the cops lie, and if you're gonna use uh you better talk to Rosemary Robinson and some defense lawyers before you pass this to make sure that we can uh uh have proper prosecution of bad policemen and not always indemnify them when they uh act wrongly.

I I got a ticket from a guy from uh out as probably a white supremacist cop came here because he got more money than he could get where he was working before.

But people I've heard people say that uh uh honest cop, if you're not if you're honest, you might the next caller is Tahira Ahmed.

Yes, good morning.

I I I did on everybody's uh comments.

I I agree faster release 30 days, not it's too long.

It's too long.

Uh we've seen the police department get wider and wider, and uh the reason why I'm saying that I'm not racist against people or prejudice, black people can't be racist, but uh it the people who are are considering themselves white are having a racial problem with black people.

And and then and if I if our uh police departments are getting more and more uh undiverse, then we're gonna have problems.

And uh, and we want you to release if you can release it faster than 30 days.

I'm for that.

Also, we want to have uh police officers uh connect be connected with evaluation of their mental illness because racism is a mental illness.

So can this be connected with uh evaluation of the mental illness or mental stability of these cops?

And uh we want um more uh provide more.

Thank you.

Next caller is Victoria Camille.

Thank you.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Good morning, council members.

This is Victoria Camille, member of the coalition for police transparency and accountability, and police video footage belongs to Detroiters as taxpayers, and the police department should not get a privileged seat to shape a narrative in advance of the public getting full view of the unedited video.

It's one thing to blur faces of witnesses, but chopping up timelines and or reducing the frame that's shown is unacceptable.

In addition, one thing that keeps getting glossed over is that once it's posted, it's gonna be taken down after 60 days.

That's unacceptable.

The types of incidents need to be more comprehensive as listed in the CPTA version.

And lastly, the oversight board, the BOPC seems to be cut out of the release process.

I urge City Council to go back to CPTA's draft and our letter from September 23rd.

If there are parts of our draft that are problematic, we urge you to have a conversation with us to explain and figure out how to meet the underlying intent.

We've had three people shot by DPD in the last month and two of those within the last week.

This is extremely important.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The next caller is Jacob Smith.

Yeah, uh, once again, this is Jacob Smith from the Detroit Alliance Against Racist and Political Oppression.

Uh, I'm speaking here today.

Uh once again to urge you to uh send this ordinance back to the drawing board.

Uh, you know, you're saying it's not a perfect ordinance, it's not even a good ordinance.

Right.

This thing has more holes in it than a fishing net, uh, particularly with regards to uh, you know, basically the provision that would allow the police union to pull footage if it makes them look bad.

That's what we know contractually uh bargained terms means uh as well as with the editing of the video.

And I know you're saying that oh, well, we we're not necessarily gonna use it for anything nefarious.

Let me be very clear here.

We do not trust you.

We do not trust you.

Okay.

So you need to send this video ordinance back to the drawing board, come up with something that uh allows for less loopholes, and uh, yeah, so I get to say.

Thank you, Jacob.

Who do we have next?

The next caller's caller number ending in one two four.

I already spoke, but I agree.

We do have a lot of people.

The next caller is Jim Brunell.

Jim, you're up next.

Jim, if you can hear us, we cannot hear you.

You have been made of panelists, you just have to unmute yourself.

Yes, we can.

Um, I just think that the uh ordinance should be expanded to include nonviolent services and all of the uh videos being archived.

Um all the videos should be what archived.

Archived.

Okay.

Yep.

So then individuals can access them themselves.

All right.

Is that the end of your comment?

Uh for now, Ms.

Romero.

Have a great day.

Thank you, you two.

Who do we have next?

Our final caller is Marguerite Maddox.

Miss Maddox.

Um at the end of this role.

And the madness.

Um done.

Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Maddox.

And I do believe that was our final caller.

Uh we can go into some of the questions that I heard really just around the editing, redacting.

Um what that looks like.

There's concerns that um timelines will be sped up, that frames will be shortened.

Um, how can the public ensure uh that's other than protections for for victims, um, that the information shared by DPD will not be altered.

Uh thank you.

Uh uh Madam Chair, I uh hearing the public comments uh uh made me realize that perhaps uh I could have used a better descriptor uh in talking about what we do with the video.

So uh when I speak of removing uh identifying information or C disinformation, I'm probably the better term I should have used was redacting.

That is to say that we're not changing anything with respect to the video.

We're just we're we're simply uh blurring out uh information that is just not subject uh to release.

So uh redaction is by far the the the most uh the most editing that we do when it comes to a video.

Now, in addition to redacting, uh our current practice is to also uh do things with the video, doesn't necessarily change the video, but for example, we might slow video down so that a person watching it can see a slower motion uh so that they see everything that they have the opportunity to see everything that's going on.

Also in our current practice, we will also add, for example, uh yellow boxes or circles that will call out or point out uh something that when watched in full speed is might be easy to miss or easy to overlook, but when watched in a slower speed, uh can be seen uh with the uh uh with the assistance of a call out box or a yellow uh circle.

So, for example, um our our officer involved shootings often involve firearms being carried by the individual that has been shot.

So we will play the video in its original sense, and then in addition to playing it, we will then replay the video in slow motion.

Uh so I when I refer to editing, I'm also referring to that.

It's not that we're changing the what's on the video, we're just slowing it down so that people have the opportunity uh to see everything that's going on in the video.

Playing a video at full speed, given the rapidly evolving circumstances that these situations uh by their very nature entail slowing down the video gives people the opportunity to see everything that's relevant in the video.

So I apologize if I confuse anybody through the use of the term editing.

That was not my intent.

So to the community, I apologize if that was uh not clear.

Thank you, deputy.

Um, to that end regarding video editing technology, there are concerns with AI.

Do the CPD use AI at all when it comes to editing videos?

We use software programs uh that uh to my knowledge do not involve any use of AI.

AI is becoming so prevalent.

So if you see a little reluctance in my voice, just because uh I'm no longer certain what programs have AI, what programs do not have AI.

Uh I can't say that the software systems that we use are not used with the intent of distorting video or removing facts from video.

Uh everything that we use is intended on slowing down the video after the full video has been played, slowing down the video to give the uh person watching an opportunity to see everything.

And again, we also at times add you know, call out boxes or uh yellow circles to draw people's attention to things that they might otherwise uh that they might otherwise miss.

So we do that as well uh to the video uh uh when we're using it.

Um as far as what part of that is AI driven or not, I I don't believe any of it is, uh, but AI is so prevalent.

Uh I can just tell you what we use the software systems for.

Okay, thank you.

Um Mr.

Davis brought up an interesting uh um uh thing that happens while he was in the police commissioner uh board, the the board of police commissioners that there was an incident where uh footage was released less than six hours.

Um why the difference now uh waiting 30 days, is it possible to get something released?

I know um the good faith effort um is is that language of trying to release something as quickly as possible, but it sounds like Mr.

Davis um was around in a time where it was released uh in a in a faster time.

Can you share with us why the difference now or what that could have been that makes it so that that was released faster um than what's being proposed?

That was very unique situation where the community was literally on the brink of volatility.

Um there was a substantial, well, I uh there was an officer involved shooting that took place.

Uh it was during uh I believe it was during the COVID months where everybody was on edge.

Uh the community, like I said, in that area was on the brink of volatility.

And there was what appeared to be an effort by uh at least some individuals to characterize the narrative differently than what was uh clearly demonstrated on the video.

Uh then chief of police James Craig made James Craig made a decision uh to release the video.

If I remember the situation correctly, it was released through uh media partners who did uh take the extra step of uh using all of their resources to uh edit out information that did not need to be shared.

Only a very limited portion of the video was released uh to demonstrate specifically that what was being circulated through social media uh was false.

Um that was a very unique situation and a cost-benefit analysis was conducted.

Uh and it was just determined that because we had Nary of our community that was on the brink of volatility, and uh our immediate ability to dispel what was clearly a false narrative, I believe drove Chief Craig to make that decision.

Uh that was an exceptional case uh in very unique circumstances.

Uh I would I I would hope that our exceptional cases do not become our general rules or guidelines because it uh just doesn't reflect the reality that releasing video in a responsible manner does take time.

Uh we need to give our investigators time to identify individuals, to identify witnesses, to obtain statements, to do their very important work uh before we release video that you know that that uh could impact their investigation.

Uh so for those reasons, we do uh want to encourage right now the 30-day timeline.

We're not saying that that timeline may not be reducible in the future.

We are interested in increasing our personnel and material resources so that we can get these videos uh through the right system so that they uh to prep them for being released, uh, so that they can be released in a responsible manner.

But uh at this time, 30 days is an aggressive timeline.

And uh uh until we're better suited for faster releases, we would like to stick to that timeline.

Okay, thank you.

LPD?

Thank you, Madam Chair.

One of the issues that's been mentioned is this question that was just mentioned of uh redaction versus editing.

And it sounds to me, if I'm understanding it correctly, like there is that issue is uh eliminated at least from one key caller that came in and that statement if redaction is limited to protecting the identity and the pr and the privacy of people.

Of course, redaction can be done for all kinds of purposes.

So if that accommodation is to be made, it should be made in that way, I think, unless I'm misunderstanding.

Thank you.

Thank you.

My last question is regarding archiving.

Um somebody asked if it was possible to archive.

Is that possible?

Uh why do we not archive?

Why is that not the suggestion that we that we do so?

There may be some confusion because we do archive video.

We have an indefinite retention of video policy that is to say that we do not take efforts to uh delete uh any video.

There's a substantial amount of storage that is purchased, uh, my understanding every year so that we can continuously retain video.

Uh if they're speaking of archiving, perhaps they're talking about the archiving of the video on this forward-facing website.

Uh that could be my only uh that could be my only guess because uh DPD does uh retain video, like I said, uh indefinitely.

Okay.

Thank you.

Uh yes.

Graham Anderson Law Department.

One thing I think I I want to remind the public of here is the raw footage that we're discussing.

It's not going away.

What we're discussing here is taking that and releasing it at an accelerated timeline for the public for transparency's sakes.

That raw footage will still be in play when it comes to discovery in civil and criminal matters.

What we're talking about specifically here is finding a way to have additional levels of transparency to the public.

And a few other things I wanted to touch on that I heard from uh comments.

This does not cover stop and frisk.

This does not cover uh nonviolence matters as you had mentioned earlier, Councilmember Santiago Ramiro regarding potential sexual harassment or uh racist remarks.

That would be something that potentially we could expand in the future too.

But currently, as I stated earlier, um the incident does not include those where we're specifically focused on the use of firearms, the use of non-lethal weapons resulting in death or great bodily harm, or in the use of force that results in death or great bodily harm.

So we've narrowed it down there.

Potentially will we expand this down the road if there is an appetite for that.

We will cross that bridge when we get there.

But but that's currently not what we're dealing with at the moment.

And I believe that her that's everything that I heard in additional.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right.

Colleagues, any other questions, comments, Member Calloway.

Anything else that you want to add?

Madam Chair, if I could have a moment if the opportunity arises.

Go right ahead.

Yeah, uh, and I I thank uh attorney Graham Anderson uh for speaking to one point that I forgot to uh mention that I do want to get ahead of.

Uh the Troy Police Department does not practice stop and frisk.

Uh that is not what we do.

So to the extent uh anybody listening uh thinks that we do or suggest that we do, it is absolutely false.

We have very clear policy on when we can uh on when we can conduct a traffic stop, when we can conduct an investigative detention.

Uh it is based on objective evidence, it is not based on any sort of demographic or anything like that.

So that to the extent that that is being suggested, DPD does not do that.

I did not want to leave that idea hanging out there.

So thank you for giving me the opportunity to clear that up.

Thank you.

Deputy, anything else that you want to share regarding this ordinance or anything else that was discussed today.

Uh only that we look forward to conducting our internal analysis, and we look forward to working with counsel further on this ordinance.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak today.

Thank you.

Um Member Calloway, also thank you for doing this work.

One question that I do have for you is um how was the process?

Because we've had a lot of folks here um that are not happy with the end product, but just wondering um, were you able to meet with the coalition regularly?

If can you just share with us uh what that process looked like for their input?

Thank you so much.

This has been over a year um in the works, and um, whenever they have come, I have not personally gone out to any of their meetings.

They have come to my meetings and um I've done my best to um answer all their questions.

Um, and that's been the extended the engagement, um, providing um updates regularly for over a year.

We've done that as well.

Um and again, any time that anyone has come to my meetings, which are held um um during the month, every month, um, we've addressed them and we've done our best.

But um everyone's not going to be happy with any of the ordinances that we pass um at um here in the city of Detroit.

Um, and I I get it, but we have to start somewhere.

And um uh I it's not a perfect document, and I'll continue to say that just as our United States Constitution was not perfect in 1787 when it was written.

It had to be amended 27 times.

I hope this ordinance does, Madam Chair, does not have to be amended 27 times.

But our um um our um document that governs our country had to be amended 27 times, and that's probably the most important document of this country.

Um and so this is um one of those documents that I do believe is ripe for um amendments, but I'm just hoping that we can just get this um first step um advanced, and then we can come back and amend if that's necessary.

But right now, this is a um first step in the right direction, and everybody's not gonna be happy.

Um folks, you know, complain about everything.

If you don't have it, they complain.

If you do try to have it, they complain.

So we just have constant, consistent, regular, habitual complainers about anything, and a lot of them never mind.

I won't I won't even say what I really want to say.

Um, but um no, we um I'm used to it.

Um you're gonna have habitual complainers, regular complainers, madam chair, and I get it.

This is very important step, but a step in the right direction.

So I want to take this opportunity to thank the law department, the prosecutor's office, and DPD.

Um the chief is on board, the prosecutors on board, the law department is on board, and um, you know, this is just one of those tough um ordinances.

It's uh it's a long time coming.

So um thank you for allowing me to be here today, and I do want to thank the public and we'll continue to work with the public.

But this is an important document that must be advanced, and thank you so much, madam chair.

Thank you.

All right.

If there is nothing else, um I understand completely um the challenges um it is to to work with the with our community.

Um, but I very much want to make sure that whatever uh we do together, it's it's agreed upon.

Um, but it's not seemed where we are right now.

So I will not be able to support this ordinance.

Um if we might if we pass it through and there are amendments that need to be made, we can have those discussions.

Um I just wanted to share that and um would like to hear more from community from your office, member Calloway to see what needs to be done.

But with that, is there a motion to approve our 1030 a.m.

public hearing?

Motions in the new business.

There's been a motion to send our 1030 a.m.

public hearing regarding the ordinance of chapter 26 to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Are there any objections?

I will be in objection.

Clerk will say no.

Thank you, Mr.

Clerk.

Hearing no other objections, this ordinance will go to new business with the recommendation to approve, and we will now be closing out our 10 30 a.m.

discussion.

Thank you, everyone, for your time this morning.

Thank you, Deputy Chief.

Thank you.

Sure.

I will now move us along to the rest of the agenda under unfinished business 7.1.

This is contract number 6005412.

This is the fourth amendment.

This is to provide an increase of time.

Increase of time and increase of funds and amend contract terms and conditions for services to reduce violent crime.

This is for the CVI uh contracts that were being brought back for discussion.

If there's a motion to discuss, motion vice chair.

You brought this back.

Are you satisfied moving forward?

I did.

The conversations have been had and the uh situation has been resolved.

I appreciate all parties working together to make that happen.

Motion to approve motion to recommend approvals in the new business.

Hearing no objection, 7.1 will be approved, sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

I believe.

Oh, excuse me.

Uh Mr.

Washington.

Yes, may we also request uh new business for item 7.2.

Uh is there a motion to send 7.2 to new business?

Hearing no objection, 7.2 will be sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Thank you.

Under new business, under the Office of Contracting and Procurement 8.1.

This is contract number 3087566.

This is utilizing 100% bond funding.

This is for emergency demolition at 1288 Chapel.

The contractor is CS Environmental Services, and we've been asked to bring this back in one week if there's a motion to do so.

Hearing no objections, 8.1.

We brought back in one week.

8.2 through 8.6.

These are all various construction demolition contracts.

8.2.

This is contract number 3087568.

Uh bond.

This is utilizing bond funding for emergency demo at 2470 and 2480 Buena Vista.

Contractor is SC Environmental Services.

They're in Detroit.

And this would be for 59,824.

8.3 is contract number 3087861.

100% bond funding for emergency demo at 59.

Excuse me, 5696 fair view.

Contractor is SC Environmental Services.

They're in Detroit.

And this will be for 17,100.

8.4 is contract number 3087862.

100% bond funding for emergency demo at 10223 McQuad.

Contractor Intercity Contracting, they're in Detroit.

This is for 25,400.

8.5 contract number 3087958.

100% bond funding for emergency demo at 9201 Leon.

Contractors, DMC consultants in Detroit for 17,472.

And 8.6.

This is contract number 3087959, 100% bond funding for residential property demolition of 3309 West Hancock.

Contractors inner city, and this is for 15,250.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.2 through 8.6?

Motion to approve.

Hearing no objections, 8.2 through 8.6 will be approved.

Sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

Excuse me.

8.7.

And 8.8 are construction and demolition contracts.

8.7 is contract number 3087967.

100% bond funding for emergency demo at 2573.

Helen.

Contractor is SC Environmental.

This is 17,500.

8.8 is contract number 3087968 to provide an emergency alteration at 5631 Stanton.

Contractor is Adamo.

This is in they are in Detroit, and this is for 110,280.

And again, these are all for construction and demolition.

Is there a motion to uh uh discuss 7.7 and 8.8 8.7 and 8.8.

Thank you, member waters.

Uh Mr.

Washington, who do we have to discuss these items?

So the chair, we have group exec council my if we can make her into a panelist.

Madam Chair.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Lawan Counts, group executive for construction and building operations.

Good afternoon.

Thank you for joining us.

Uh, group exec for 8.7.

This is 2573 Helen.

Uh, wondering uh has DTE come out where are we with this property?

The chair, we are still holding for a gas cut.

Okay.

If that's the case, is there a motion to bring back 8.7 TBD?

Motion.

Thank you.

Hearing no objections.

8.7.

We brought back TBD and 8.8 group exec.

This is regarding the commercial property utilizing bond funding.

Just wondering, um, could general dollars be used for this, or do we not use general dollars for commercial property demolition?

Through the chair, this property actually, although it was a it was initially constructed as a private residence.

Um, so it I'm not really certain to be completely honest, I'm not certain of the actual funding if the source identification is correct here.

Um I don't have a good answer for you on this one.

We typically do not use bond funding for commercial properties, um, but because the property um itself was initially a residential property.

I'm not sure if it crossed the lines on that one or not.

Understood.

Would this be something that OCP could help us with or um ultimately who who made the decision about utilizing bond funding versus uh general funds through the chair?

Typically, the decision for funding comes out of our um off of our ODFS staff or team.

Um, I'm not certain how this selection would have been placed this way.

Okay.

Um I would like to bring this back in a week.

We can reach out to you, group exec and try to figure this out just for better understanding.

Thank you, member waters.

8.8.

We brought back in one week.

Um right.

I will move us along.

Uh group exec counts.

If we need you, we'll we'll call you in.

Um, but moving us along to 8.9 and 8.10, also construction and demolition contracts.

But 8.9, this is contract number 3088018, 100% bond funding for emergency demolition of residential property 14287 um Evanston.

Contractors DMC, this is for 17,820.

And 8.10, this is contract number 3088042, 100% bond funding for emergency residential property 20195 Omira.

Contractors DMC, and this is for 16,600.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss?

Motion.

There's been a motion to approve 8.9 and 8.10.

Hearing no objections, both of those items will be approved, sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

8.11.

This is contract number 600596 amendment number one.

This is to provide an increase of funds only for the HVAC system services for City of Detroit facilities.

Contractor is System Corp.

They are in Auburn Hills, and the increased amount will be for 1,312, with 500.

And this would be for construction and demolition.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.11?

Motion to discussion.

Vice uh excuse me, member waters discussion.

All right, thank you.

Uh my question is um there's roughly a 50% increase in cost, and there's no increase in time.

So what changed?

Uh to our group exec, if you are still on with us, we're discussing 8.11.

Uh, why the almost 50% increase uh if not without increasing the time to do the work for the chair.

Um, what we experienced, there's a variety of issues that have contributed to this.

One being we have one new rec center that was actually added to our inventory that we had not previously um planned to provide services to, so we did need to take that into account.

Um, and that's the Chandler Park dome that will require some additional specialized HVAC support.

Um, and so we wanted to make sure that there was enough funds to be able to cover that.

Um, we also have experienced a significant amount of increase in just the types of repairs that we have been performing over the last um year, um, which uh unfortunately caused us to go through the existing um contract amounts that was in place.

Um those repairs were greater than just a standard, you know, changing of a filter or replacing of a belt.

It was more um equipment in nature, and so it required more of the funding that we had in place.

The thought is that this these funding, this additional fund that we're asking for will allow us to continue out our maintenance um of the of the facilities that have been assigned to this particular contract contractor for the rest of the contract.

Member Waters, okay.

There is a motion to approve motion hearing no objections.

8.11 will be approved, sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

Thank you, Ms.

Counts.

Moving us along, 8.12 and 8.13.

These are fire contracts.

8.12.

This is contract number 600 5574, amendment number one.

This is to provide an increase of funds and exercise the renewal option for ladder in line testing.

Contractor is IIA lifting services.

They are in Arizona.

This is going to increase the amounts by 185,000, bringing this total contract to 371 with 150 dollars.

And this again is for fire and 8.13, contract number 6007515, utilizing 100% capital funding.

This is to provide full department swap of MSA SCBA breathing apparatuses, parts, and service.

Contractor is McQueen equipments.

They are located in Lake Oron, Orion, Michigan.

They're here in Michigan, and this contract is for 6,125,000 with $600.

Is there a motion to approve with discussion 8.12 and 8.13?

Motion.

Thank you.

Mr.

Washington, who do we have to discuss these two fire contracts?

Through the chair, we have Robert Stokes as well as Alisa Mulillo and Eric Cooper.

If we can make them all panelists, and Mr.

Washington, would you mind repeating the names again?

Yes, um, we have Eric Cooper, Alisa Malio, and Robert Stokes.

Thank you.

Good afternoon, Honorable Council.

Good afternoon, if you wouldn't mind stating your naming title for the public.

Yes, ma'am.

Uh my name is uh Robert Stokes, Secret Deputy Fire Commissioner for the Detroit Fire Department.

Thank you for joining us.

Um we are discussing 8.12 and 8.13 for 8.12, and this might be a question for oh, um, I see Alyssa has joined us.

If you wouldn't mind setting your naming title for the public.

Good afternoon, chairwoman.

Um Elisa Millel, Chief of Staff, Fire Department.

Thank you for joining us.

For 8.12, I believe we need a correction letter.

Do we know if that's been sensed yet?

And again, this might be a question for OCP.

Ms.

Good morning.

Oh, good morning, Eric Cooper, Office of Contracting and Procurement.

Uh, through the chair, I can um see if that information has been sent over.

Awesome.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

Uh, so we would need a letter of correction for 8.12, um, and 8.13, which is really, I think we're um we would all love to hear where our six million dollars are going to go to.

Uh, what can the public expect through this contract?

Yes, through the chair, uh, councilwoman uh Santiago.

Essentially, when we look at the uh the replacement of our SCBA units, which stands for self-contained breathing apparatuses, uh, these are all the necessary units that every firefighter wears in these toxic environments or responding to emergency calls.

Uh that unit will consist of uh air tanks, uh the simple cylinders that are on their backs as well as the harnesses.

And uh essentially the main purpose as to why this is going on is because the current system that we have is actually at its end of life use.

So, with that being said, this is so that we can kind of uh make sure that everybody is giving all the necessary uh safety equipment that they need without fear of shortages of equipment and support for which our current unit is actually uh being discontinued.

Okay, and then it says here that this has to be replaced every 15 years, correct?

That will be correct.

The last time that the department has uh taken on this uh Herculane effort was about 10 years ago.

So essentially you will not see this issue for at least another 15 years.

All right, and then are we replacing all of what we have?

What do we have?

I I guess if you wouldn't mind sharing, do you know the amount of assets we are going to be receiving or swapping?

So you would definitely be receiving closer, almost 600 units that's to outfit every firefighter, um, as well as some of our division leaders uh due to specialties that they're engaged in.

Uh those units will allow us to replace what is currently out in the field right now.

And as I mentioned previously, all of those units are up for expiration as well as lack of support uh and discontinuance from the manufacturer.

Okay, thank you.

Uh hearing no other questions to OCP.

Do we know if we have a correction letter for 812?

It has been requested, so I've just received word that it has been requested.

Okay.

Um, this we did not get a request for 812 to go to new business.

So can this be sent to regular RC Mr.

Washington?

Mr.

Washington, are you are you expecting 12 and 13 for new business or just 13?

And I asked because 12, we would need the correction letter if you need this tomorrow.

We would need it today tomorrow.

Actually, it was I'm sorry, through the chair.

Uh it was submitted on Friday.

All right, thank you.

So we will make sure that the correction letter is attached.

Um, Mr.

Washington, are you going to request that these items both go to new business?

Um, yes, madam chair, and I will recirculate that correction letter.

All right.

Is there a motion to do so?

Hearing no objections, eight twelve and eight points thirteen will be sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Thank you all.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so long.

8.14.

This is contract number 6005081 amendment number one.

100% grant funding.

This is going to increase the funds for a program administrator for coordinating and managing medical and supportive services for low-income underinsured or uninsured people living with HIV in the Detroit metro area.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.14?

Motion to approve.

It's been a motion to approve.

Are there any objections?

Hearing none.

8.14 will be approved since a formal with the recommendation to approve.

And Mr.

Washington, I made this request last time, but we have now received uh millions of dollars to address um HIV in the city in the Metro Detroit area.

We requested the health department come and prepare presentation.

If you wouldn't mind helping us work with us to make sure that we do that, um, I would I'm interested to know um how that's going.

Absolutely, madam chair.

Thank you, Mr.

Washington.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.14?

Did I really say this?

Sorry.

Okay, it's been approved.

You're correct.

I was just making that note.

Thank you.

Moving us along 8.14.

There's a motion to send to new business.

Hearing no objection, 8.14 will be sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

815 is contract number 6007452.

100% grant funding to purchase specialized barriers related equipment for the protection of crowds at various events in the city.

Contractor is Meridian Rapid Defense Group.

They are located in Pasadena, California.

This is going to provide us services until October 27th of 26.

And this contract is 219,346 with 91 cents.

And this will be for homeland security.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.15?

Motion to approve new business.

Hearing no objections, 815 will be approved, sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

8.16 and 8.17 are public works contracts.

8.16 is contract number 6005374 amendment number one.

Grants funded to provide an extension of time only for the advanced transportation and congestion management technologies deployment.

Contractors, Swain State University, here in the city.

And this will increase their time through June 30th of 2026.

And 8.17 is contract number 6007224.

Amendment number one to provide a fee schedule adjustments for aluminum street sign blanks for the department of public works.

And again, this will simply adjust their fee schedule.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.16 and 8.17?

Motion to approve.

Hearing no objections, 816 and 8.17 will be approved, sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

We have already voted on 8.18.

8.19.

This is contract number 3086203, 100% transportation operation funding to provide D dot ACFR audit supports.

The contractor is Randy Lane, located in Detroit.

And this will go through June 30th, 2026.

The contract is 63,000, and this would be for transportation.

Is there a motion to approve or discuss 8.19?

Motion to approve.

Hearing no objections, 8.19 would be approved, sent to formal with the recommendation to approve.

Under the Department of Appeals and Hearings, 8.20 is a dangerous buildings findings and orders for October 3rd, 2025.

And 8.21 are the dangerous buildings findings and orders for October 10th, 2025.

Is there a motion to receive and file?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, 8.20 and 8.21 will be received and filed.

Under the Department of Building Safety Engineering and Environment.

8.22 is recommendation for deferral for property at 7432 Churchill.

And 8.23 is a recommendation for deferral for property ads 2977 Cadillac.

Is there a motion to concur with the department's recommendations?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we agree with the department's recommendations.

Under the Office of Chief Financial Officer, Office of Development and Grants.

8.24 is to accept an increase in appropriation for the fiscal year 2026.

Is there a motion to approve to new business 8.24?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, 8.24 will be approved, sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Under the Department of Public Works Administration, 8.25.

This is a resolution to permit fast signs Detroit downtown to install six banners on Broadway Streets from October 15th or when council approves to March 15th, 26th with the Simmons and Clark Jewelers celebrating 100 years.

Is there a motion to approve to new business?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, 8.25 will be approved, sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Under the Department of Transportation, we have already received and filed and reviewed the quarter two and quarter three updates from D DOT.

Under miscellaneous 8.27 is a memo relative to BC special land use hearings and engagement process.

This without objection can be received and filed.

8.27 will be received and filed.

8.28 is a memo through our office relative to data on incidents regarding food vendors.

We've been asked to bring this back in two weeks.

Hearing no objections, 8.28 is going to be brought back in two weeks.

8.29 and 8.30 are two various memos.

8.29 is a memo relative to resolution to pass the living wage for musicians act through council president's office.

And 8.30 is a memo through member Callaway's office relative to request for report concerning cannabis billboards.

Is there a motion to discuss 8.29 and 30?

Motion.

Thank you.

LPD.

And we can't really do it.

Yes.

Correct.

We already have a report like this.

So are we looking to recirculate that report and receive and file 830?

Up to the committee if that's what you'd like.

I think so because or m Miss Ms.

Duncan.

Through the chair of reading the memorandum from Councilman Callaway's office.

It did cite the 2024 report from the law department.

However, it also cited the Supreme Court ruling uh this uh in 2025, which is why they're asking for us to look asking the department to look into it again.

Okay, thank you, Miss Duncan.

Um Mr.

Anderson.

Through the chair, we have since replied uh put out a response, but I'm happy for a one-week bring back too.

I'll make sure everybody's happy with that response.

Okay, thank you.

Um to allow me to catch up.

We will bring back 8 30 in one week without objections.

And for 8.29 LPD.

Okay.

Okay, Miss Duncan.

Yes, through the chair, madam chair.

It is requesting it, did share a resolution that was passed in New York, I believe, and it is asking that LPD um also draft a resolution.

Okay.

So assign this to LPD for drafting.

Okay.

8.29.

If there's a motion to bring this back in one week, motion hearing no objections, 8.29 will be brought back in one week.

Mr.

Washington.

Yes, through the chairman.

We also request item 8.16 go to new business.

Which item is that uh this is for public works for their um advanced transportation and congestion management technology.

There was a motion hearing no objections, 8.16 will be sent to new business with the recommendation to approve.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Moving us along, we are at member reports.

Vice Chair.

All right, thank you.

Just want to remind everybody that Gleaners now has free produce and dairy market titled Fresh by Gleaners, and it is located at 4401 East 8 Mile, which is on the Warren side of 8 mile, but it serves Detroit residents in the 48234 zip code.

Please stop by fresh by gleaners if you are food insecure and you live in the 48234 zip code is a fantastic space in a great grocery store environment.

Please don't forget your free workshops for a life and legacy planning.

We want to get all Detroiters who qualify free estate plans, Ladybird deeds, wills, and powers of attorney.

In addition, save the date, December 5th for bingo with Benson with our senior task force and my colleague member Waters on December 5th at Sadie Troy Play Center.

This is our 11th bingo with Benson.

It's on December 5th, 11 a.m.

to 2 p.m.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Waters.

No report.

All right, negative report for myself.

Thank you all so much for a great committee today.

Since there's nothing else before us, we are now adjourned.