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Internal Operations Committee Meeting (Nov 5, 2025)

City CouncilWednesday, November 5, 2025
BodyDetroit, Michigan
SessionCity Council
DateWednesday, November 5, 2025
StatusFILED
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0:09

Present.

0:09

Councilmember Mary Waters.

0:11

Present.

0:11

Councilmember Angela Whitfield Callaway.

0:14

Member Callaway did indicate that she would not be present this morning.

0:17

Clerk was on note.

0:18

Madam Chair, you have a quorum present.

0:20

And you're welcome.

0:21

Having a quorum present, we are now in session.

0:24

Good morning, Member Waters.

0:27

Motion to approve the minutes.

0:29

There is a motion to approve the minutes.

0:32

Hearing no objections, that action will be taken.

0:37

And I just want to say, with my chair remarks, because this is the privilege that I have on Wednesday mornings, uh, to be the first council person to chair a committee meeting.

0:50

Um after our Tuesdays, I want to say thank you to everyone who stepped up, showed up, and ran for office.

1:00

Running for office is a challenging thing.

1:03

It is very challenging to do.

1:06

Um, but I want to encourage those who were not successful this time to continue to stay engaged, to continue to stay involved, because our residents need you, our city needs you, our communities need you.

1:22

It takes for all of us to come together and work together.

1:26

So with that, I want to say congratulations to those who were successful to all of my colleagues who were successful.

1:34

Uh, to council president, congratulations on making history.

1:38

Um, we look forward to working with you as we continue to elevate our residents, our neighborhoods, our communities, and this city of Detroit.

1:48

Thank you all so much for doing what you do.

1:51

Thank you for holding us accountable.

1:53

Thank you for standing with us.

1:56

Uh, we certainly do appreciate you, and we are looking forward to the next four years being an amazing four years in the city's history because of all of you working together with all of us.

2:12

Thank you all so much.

2:13

All right, we are now going to move into general public comment.

2:19

If there is anyone joining us from the public who'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand.

2:26

I see one person here in the committee of the whole.

2:29

We're going to cut off public comment at 10.06.

2:33

My clock says it's 1005 right now.

2:35

So if you're joining us virtually and you'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand by 10.06.

2:41

Good morning, Miss Jackson.

2:43

If we can please set the clock for two minutes, and how many hands do we currently have raised virtually?

2:49

Morning, madam chair.

2:50

We have 13 hands raised for virtual public comment.

2:53

All right.

2:54

Once we have the clock on the screen, we will get started with Mr.

3:01

Foster.

3:02

Good morning, Mr.

3:03

Foster.

3:04

Good morning.

3:04

Um, through the chair.

3:06

A few things is um, I guess congratulations on um all the city council's uh elections.

3:15

Um I think that the city has been doing a good job these last four years.

3:20

I've always said that.

3:22

I agree with the mayor that a great degree of the change in this direction come from policies.

3:29

Policies is a driving force and change in any type of system in government.

3:35

Um I appreciate the veterans and the medal of honor things coming here, the arsenal for democracy, and a lot of other things.

3:50

Um, I think it's a testament to being heard and being heard, and a voice has value to it.

4:00

Um, I'm here to speak about the value of the voice of being heard.

4:05

Um the celebrations and everything else, the driving forces, the supports that help encourage and lead these things.

4:16

Um just as a veteran as a citizen, I ask you all to have some integrity moving forward.

4:24

I ask you all to be open to new ideas moving forward, as you all to acknowledge a lot of the degree of where things come from moving forward, and so um, you know, with these things, there's still a lot of work to be done.

4:43

And if you understand where the roots have come from, and a lot of information come from, then moving forward, you will understand the value and pay the value of those things.

5:00

Congratulations.

5:01

There's still plenty more work that needs to be done.

5:04

Thank you.

5:05

Thank you.

5:06

And indeed.

5:09

Who is our first virtual caller?

5:13

First caller is William M.

5:15

Davis.

5:16

William M.

5:16

Davis, you have two minutes for general public comment.

5:20

Good morning, ladies.

5:21

Can I be heard?

5:22

Good morning, yes.

5:23

Oh well, I'd like to congratulate y'all.

5:26

I knew both of you I was gonna win.

5:30

Uh also, as it relates to the election, I am very, very disappointed that a better job isn't done to get more people out and to help educate people.

5:42

I'm I'm a precinct delegate.

5:43

I've been a precinct delegate for 10 years.

5:46

You know, the first six years, it was better in that uh I did not have to go over three miles to go to my polling location.

5:56

You know, no one should have to go over a mile to the polling location.

6:00

My polling location used to be at McKenzie uh school.

6:05

Now I have to go to Samson Webber, you know, over three miles away.

6:09

You know, it be it should be something put in place so the people don't have to go so far to their polling location.

6:16

Going to my polling location.

6:18

I passed over a dozen different polling locations, and most of them didn't have that many people.

6:23

Oh so I think there are things we can do to strengthen our numbers.

6:27

I think the trade should go back to being a powerhouse uh that it used to be when when I was younger.

6:34

Uh I know some of y'all was real young when I started voting, but we we need to do more to encourage more people to be active and to encourage more people to vote.

6:44

Uh so far, I think Janet Rentley is doing a horrible job, and more can and should be done.

6:51

Thank you.

6:53

Thank you.

6:55

The next caller.

6:59

Next caller is Owner Papa.

7:01

Owner Papa, you have two minutes for general public comment.

7:07

Uh good morning, and through the chair, may I be heard.

7:10

Good morning, yes.

7:11

Congratulations to all the winners of the election.

7:15

I'm hoping that we have a better um outcome for our newly elected body.

7:22

I'm hoping that you will take into consideration um the complaints that people are making about how you're governing.

7:31

And um, you're the internal operations committee, and you should be concerned with how the city is operating.

7:39

The fact that we have no true health department is a serious um charter violation.

7:49

And so we should take all of these things under consideration.

7:51

I want to thank you for the two minutes that you always give us, uh, nine times out of ten, and um the professionalism that you show on your committee.

8:01

I wish all of the committees were as professional as your body, but I'm hoping that in the new year that your body will take up issues that we have brought to you, like how fast we got the solar zoning, and this uh latest fiscal um income tax.

8:20

Uh I believe is illegal because it's a change in an amendment, and you did not have a public hearing on it.

8:28

So if internal operations is not operating correctly, it is within your purview, your purview as the committee chair and the committee to make sure that everything, all departments are following um within the charter and also uh state law um with the uh trash picking up on the freeways.

8:53

That is unconstitutional and illegal and should be taken up by the internal operations committee.

9:00

Um congratulations to everyone who won.

9:03

And I'm praying that you and we all have a better uh new year.

9:08

Thank you.

9:08

Thank you.

9:10

The next caller.

9:13

Next caller is Cunningham.

9:16

Cunningham, you have two minutes for general public comment.

9:26

Good morning, Mr.

9:27

Cunningham.

9:32

Congratulations, congratulations, congratulations.

9:38

Um you guys deserve it.

9:42

Uh 313, 444, 9114.

9:46

313, 444, 9114, 313, 444, 9114.

9:52

That number was made so you can remember it.

9:54

And on Facebook, two words, not in the mean.

10:00

So this is that time again.

10:02

I would like you all to pray in the Holy Spirit, chant, call my name and atmosphere, Cunningham, and Cheryl Marie Lyons, my mom.

10:10

She's at the Rivers of Grove Point with multiple scrolls.

10:14

Just keep us in prayer and just um just pray those secret petitions.

10:19

Um there's a lot of things that are needed.

10:23

I need um bus tickets and hand warmers, and I would like to thank again councilwoman GSR's office for uh those hand warmers and the support I received from uh councilwoman waters and councilwoman Johnson.

10:42

Um it is appreciated, and I do thank you uh for that.

10:48

And so I'm just gonna end out in prayer until they cut me off.

10:52

But uh periodically through the day I do that, people scratch their head, they laugh.

10:56

That's the prayer I like.

10:58

It's not praying to them, it's not uh defining it for them.

11:03

It's praying the mysteries directly to God, and of course, he's the only one to make it happen.

11:19

So loco, yeah, that was shunned that I'm sorry.

11:36

Thank you.

11:38

The next caller.

11:41

Next caller is caller ending in 169.

11:44

Caller ending in 169.

11:46

You have two minutes for general public comment.

11:53

Hello, can you guys hear me?

11:55

Yes, good morning.

11:57

Good morning.

11:58

Um, I just want to say uh prayer is powerful.

12:01

Um, make sure you continue to pray for Brother Cunningham.

12:05

Uh, neither one of the parties is doing anything for poor people.

12:08

They're both full of it.

12:10

Um, black people have been voting democratic their whole life, and they're still poor, and Republicans don't do anything for poor people either.

12:18

NBA basketball player, real talk, Charles Barkley from Alabama.

12:22

Thank you for my time.

12:25

Thank you.

12:27

The next caller.

12:30

Next caller is not that Karen.

12:32

Not that Karen, you have two minutes for general public comment.

12:36

Hello.

12:37

Good morning.

12:38

Good morning.

12:39

Um, congratulations to all the winners and all the losers.

12:44

Um, congratulations for your effort.

12:46

Um, this election was bittersweet for me.

12:49

It'll be my last time voting as a Detroit resident.

12:52

And uh, even though I did not vote for the historic uh historical new mayor, uh she was not my choice.

13:00

Um, hopefully, she'll be able to um handle things in such a way that the city of Detroit retirees can be made whole.

13:07

Hopefully, she can do more than just fast track us into a line.

13:11

Um, because I'll still be tied to Detroit by way of my pension, but I won't will no longer be voting um or residing in the city of Detroit, which is a milestone for me.

13:22

I've lived here all my life, but when it's time to go, it's time to go.

13:26

So we have uh to still be concerned about the homelessness.

13:33

I don't think we've done much to put a huge dent in the homelessness numbers throughout these last past four years with the cut in the snap benefits.

13:47

Um I'm not sure how we're gonna handle how these people are gonna eat, how they can um count on having a decent Thanksgiving day meal, and you know, pray and and be prayerful for something that they need but have not been able to achieve as far as homelessness is concerned.

14:06

So thank you for your punctuality.

14:08

Thank you for your two minutes, thank you for your city service, and may you all have a blessed day.

14:13

Thank you.

14:15

Thank you, and you as well, and we'll be sure to share information about um snap benefits or support for food for our residents.

14:27

Um we'll share at the end of this committee meeting.

14:32

The next caller.

14:36

Next caller is Nico A.

14:38

Williams.

14:38

Miko A.

14:39

Williams, you have two minutes for general public comment.

14:50

Miko A.

14:51

Williams, are you there?

14:57

Ms.

14:58

Jackson, let's come back to Miko Williams.

15:04

Okay, our next caller is Galaxy S22 Ultra.

15:08

Galaxy S22 Ultra.

15:11

You have two minutes for general public comment.

15:15

Good morning.

15:16

Congratulations to Miss War Councilwoman Waters and Consul Puss uh person uh Johnson.

15:24

I voted for both of you guys.

15:26

I just we just have to put more fire in the fight for the people in the city of Detroit.

15:34

That's what I'm praying for.

15:36

Uh my vote was not for the president that's running that that won, but I hope she do a better job than Duggan and not uh cut out this over taxing us in the city of Detroit for homeowners.

15:53

Uh I appreciate uh councilwoman waters fighting the uh land bank because we know they shouldn't be doing what they do to the people in the city of Detroit taking houses, lose people losing houses.

16:10

It's sad that we have to go through that as black folk.

16:15

We have to fight and and the people have to fight with you guys in the same direction.

16:21

A lot of times we're going in different directions, and we need to fight in the same direction.

16:27

But I congratulate both of y'all and all the winners that won, even though I might not uh uh voted for some of them, you know, but uh or agreed with some of them.

16:40

But I'm glad you guys got back in there, and I hope we get a better turnout uh when it's when everything starts for the people when you guys take office the next uh uh uh next year or beginning of January.

16:56

I'm glad Doug and gone.

16:59

I am glad he's gone because I'm tired of people smiling in your face and then stabbing you in the back.

17:06

You know what I'm saying?

17:07

After uh for the people, we have to do a better job, and I hope we get these uh fumes done over here or get more money for us on the east side.

17:17

Thank you very much.

17:19

Thank you, Mr.

17:20

Holloway, and I certainly look forward to fighting with you in the right direction in the same direction as we move forward.

17:29

The next caller.

17:31

The next caller is iPhone.

17:33

iPhone, you have two minutes for general public comment.

17:36

Uh and my apologies before we go to iPhone.

17:40

I'd like to call the 1015 interview to order and recess it to the call of the chair.

17:46

iPhone.

17:46

Good morning.

17:48

Uh good morning to all within the sound of my voice and congratulations to all the winners and uh kudos and congratulations to uh Mayor Elect Mary Sheffield.

18:04

She has truly done the work, her campaigning and hitting the neighborhoods, and uh I wish her much success uh in the future and I'm singing my tone.

18:17

Think a quarter, think a quarter, think a quarter.

18:22

Um the Soadells were Black Association.

18:26

We're still uh doing the work to improve our uh community.

18:32

We uh have purchased additional land to expand our park, and there are weeds that are grew up to look like miniature trees that need to be removed.

18:43

Our goal is to have uh uh playground equipment uh on that park.

18:50

If it's approved by the city, we have to uh raise money for a land use hearing, and so it's money money monies, but we're doing what we can, and so if you would like to donate to our missions and goals, please go to Zale to D as in Dog, E D as and Boy A W E B as in Boy, E L at Gmail.com again.

19:17

That's uh Dba W E B E L at Gmail.com and if you know my uh telephone number, you can also donate by uh using uh my number.

19:33

Also, uh I received the text in regards to Auddies is uh offering a 10 person meal for Thanksgiving for uh 40 dollars.

19:46

So please spread the word I received the text.

19:50

Thank you.

19:52

Thank you.

19:54

The next caller next caller is please slow down zoning rush job.

20:01

Please slow down zoning rush job.

20:04

You have two minutes for general public comment.

20:10

Good morning, may I be heard?

20:12

Good morning, yes.

20:14

Okay, thank you.

20:15

I've been getting a lot of people asking about all this zoning stuff, and again, my deep concern.

20:20

I signed up to be a zoning uh uh uh zone Detroit ambassador.

20:24

And how is it I only found out about this stuff from a neighbor?

20:27

That's like really problematic.

20:29

I thank the ladies here who voted to slow it down.

20:32

I congratulate the ladies if we had a fair elections, and um, so uh we really need to go line by line and get very specific answers to our questions and make sure that this is not taking away residents' rights to object at the at B seed for a use variance or the BZA Board of Zoning Appeals for any of that use or dimensional variances or knock out our ability to go to court.

21:03

Um also the gentleman you're interviewing for the BZA board right now, ask him if he thinks it's okay to limit people's public testimony when the developers get to go on and on and on and on.

21:16

A judge ruled that giving only one to two minutes is not uh due process, and then their uh one size fits all non-constitutional response was oh, we'll just give you five minutes.

21:26

But they limited me, they didn't even let me, they illegally didn't let me represent other people, and now they're giving us this hard time about the transcript, which under Detroit City Code 50-2-66.

21:37

If you and your staff would please read it, you're the BCAs is already supposed to have transcripts, regardless of whether anyone appeals.

21:45

The other issue that I want to say is that Miss Sonia Ackerman of the FOIA department.

21:50

I give her a rapid response reward.

21:51

She called me back, but she's telling me it'll take 120 days to have people review a public meeting that I requested a copy of.

22:00

That's totally insane.

22:02

And if and Mr.

22:03

Graham Anderson and Mr.

22:04

Mallet, if you don't have enough staff, then and stop spending money on demolitions, all this other stuff if we don't have a properly staffed law department and the stuff you're doing.

22:16

Thank you.

22:17

The next caller.

22:19

Next caller is Mr.

22:21

Roo.

22:22

Mr.

22:22

Roo, you have two minutes for general public comment.

22:34

Good morning, Mr.

22:35

Roo.

22:39

Ms.

22:40

Jackson, let's come back to Mr.

22:42

Roo.

22:42

Can you hear me?

22:43

Oh, we can hear you now.

22:46

You can hear me now clearly.

22:51

Can you hear me clearly?

22:54

Mr.

22:55

Rue, we can hear you.

22:58

Okay.

23:08

Now, what Amy Anthony did and helping assist to have my house stripped by the city of Detroit's uh subconstructed for the demolition department, reprehensible.

23:24

So I'm gonna turn it up now to a thousand and five.

23:29

Okay, Conrad Mallet.

23:31

If you can hear this and you out there listening, come on, come with it.

23:36

I'm sick of you, I'm sick of the little leprechaun, Michael Edward Duggard.

23:41

He achieved it all, y'all, and he controlling the state, the county and the city of Detroit.

23:48

That's the state of Michigan, the county of Wayne, and the city of Detroit.

23:52

He controlling all them budgets.

23:54

He put Gretchen Weber in office, and he uh got Dennis Winfrey cheaping elections.

24:02

Ain't no way that many people showed up in this retarded, illiterate majority, still majority black city.

24:14

Halfway illiterate, halfway retarded.

24:18

So Letitia Johnson, you Mary Waters, Angela Callaway to have been cheated in again.

24:25

But I'm getting ready to turn it up to a thousand and ten.

24:29

I'm the 93rd Republican precinct delegate for the state of Michigan, and I'm also on a Republican executive committee for the state of Michigan.

24:38

And all y'all cheated in, and I ain't done yet.

24:40

I'm just getting started.

24:42

Mr.

24:43

Roo.

24:45

All right, thank you.

24:47

The next caller.

24:50

The next caller is Darren McCleskey.

24:53

Darren McCleskey, you have two minutes for general public comment.

25:00

Good morning.

25:03

Can you guys hear me?

25:04

Good morning, yes.

25:06

All right.

25:06

Okay, so I just wanted to follow up because I know I spoke last week, and you guys still of you that were present recommended the additional funding after Conrad Mallet's uh data dump of information.

25:21

So um I mean, just to summarize what he said.

25:25

I mean, he said there was 10% of use restrictions that have been obtained in phase two.

25:32

Um, they've settled some cases.

25:34

Um, there's two people that still need to be relocated.

25:38

Um, there's a lot of a lot of kind of parts still left.

25:43

I mean, you guys haven't even noticed the phase two use restrictions.

25:47

You have 10% of phase one.

25:49

So there's a lot of work left to be done, and you're certainly not two-thirds of the way through the project.

25:56

And 104 condemnation cases costing 7.7 million.

26:01

I mean, that the average amount you guys are spending is just off the charts.

26:06

Um, you're about to see in the coming weeks, people that will come forward who weren't even served.

26:12

Uh, family members or people with the same name that weren't even the correct owners were served.

26:18

Um, that's gonna be the heavy hitting kind of cost that's going to accumulate.

26:23

And uh if they've already gone through the 5.2, like the the next 2.5 is just gonna poof.

26:32

And uh, and it's I would really like to have a full accounting of all the funding because if the whole project is supposed to be a certain amount and a majority of it is just on legal, where's the rest?

26:44

Uh that would be very important to know.

26:46

And then um, I just I think that uh it's just the full cost for the benefit is not there, and it's a big waste of taxpayer money.

26:57

Thank you.

26:59

Thank you.

27:00

And Mr.

27:00

McCleskey, if there is anything specific you'd like to share with us, please do.

27:05

Uh, I did receive your email.

27:07

I did inquire about the um two individuals that you shared with us previously.

27:14

Uh but if you have any additional information, please provide that to the office.

27:19

Thank you so much.

27:20

The next caller.

27:23

Next caller is Tyson Gersh.

27:25

Tyson Gersh, you have two minutes for general public comment.

27:30

Hi, can you hear me?

27:32

Yes, good morning.

27:34

Good morning.

27:35

Uh, congratulations, uh, member Waters and Johnson.

27:39

Uh, glad you guys are with us again.

27:42

Um, let's see.

27:45

Couple things.

27:46

One, um, since uh the city of Detroit has this very unique rule specific to it, the 50-2-66, which does require the Board of Zoning Appeals to secure transcripts for all BZA hearings.

28:02

Um, that's that's our rule.

28:04

It's not a state rule.

28:06

No other cities have that rule.

28:08

It's just us, it's our own administrative duty.

28:11

Um, it is a remarkably expensive rule to maintain for the city.

28:17

Uh there was a case in 2019.

28:21

Um, what is it?

28:22

Phil Fourner, the Allendale Chartered Township, where the Court of Appeals did rule that uh zoning boards can charge an escrow fee.

28:33

I think one of the challenges with these transcript fees is that you don't necessarily know what the cost is gonna be because every hearing is a different length.

28:40

Um, and you if you want to recoup that cost, you know, you can charge it on the front end to the people that cause the hearings.

28:50

In my case, it wasn't me, it was the billionaire California developer that caused the hearing.

28:54

I wasn't even a party to the case or to the proceeding.

28:57

Um, so you guys can charge an escrow fee on the front end.

29:02

Um, and then I guess return whatever of that fee isn't used.

29:07

Um, I I sent this case to uh LPD already so that it's on the radar.

29:14

Uh and I guess with my last 15 seconds.

29:17

Oh, I'm really trying to figure out what happened on March 30th, 2022.

29:21

Um, Callaway specifically asked the BZA about this court reporter stuff in 2022.

29:27

That uh memo disappeared in committee, and there's no minutes, there's no video, there's no edge.

29:36

Thank you.

29:37

The next caller.

29:40

The next caller is Rochella Stewart.

29:43

Rochella Stewart, you have two minutes for general public comment.

29:48

Good morning, ladies.

29:49

Congratulations to both of you.

29:51

You know you deserve it.

29:53

Always knew you two would make it in any way, and everybody they did.

29:57

And special congratulations to Mary Sheffield, amazing job.

30:00

Amazing job.

30:03

I can't say much more than that.

30:06

I hope everybody get together and work together.

30:08

You know, I'm always calling in about housing.

30:11

We need that 30 and 50% AMI.

30:14

We need more single dwelling houses coming up in this city.

30:17

So we can keep these residents.

30:19

We don't want them all fleeing away from here and not staying.

30:22

And they've been long time residents.

30:23

Transportation.

30:25

Come on now.

30:26

We gotta get some money in the D dot.

30:28

Get those fixed routes stuck.

30:30

Paratransit is doing amazing.

30:33

You know, um, you know, I don't have much to say about people moving Q line because until we can get a low-income fare for fixed routes.

30:42

We really need that for low income people.

30:45

We need that for returning citizens, for vets, uh 200% property level.

30:51

But all in all, y'all do amazing job.

30:54

But please start listening to these residents.

30:57

They're feeling like they left behind, and it shows in the polls.

31:01

I canvas a phone bank, talk to people.

31:05

It's like, uh, what's the use in voting?

31:08

They don't care.

31:09

We're not getting nothing out of it.

31:11

But what they don't understand, that single vote that they have does mean a lot.

31:15

And it will have a better outcome if they do.

31:18

I I'm ashamed of the percentages that we get here in Detroit.

31:23

You know, I've been voting all my life.

31:24

I'm 67 years old.

31:25

As soon as I got old enough to vote, I was at that poll at that Rashar Library that Mr.

31:30

Sheffield or Sheffield got now.

31:32

Uh I just wish people would get out and vote.

31:36

You know, and please, please, please listen to the residents.

31:41

At least give them some of the things that they're asking for.

31:44

And you ladies, have a safe and blessed day, and congratulations again to you both.

31:51

Thank you.

31:52

And I just want to encourage residents to um get connected, get connected with us.

32:00

Um, whether directly, coming to a meeting, keeping an eye on events, programs, things that are happening.

32:12

Um, I think we do hear the residents, and we are doing everything that we can to address residents' concerns.

32:21

I would just encourage more of our residents to have a conversation, to reach out, to connect, to respond.

32:30

Um, but certainly do appreciate you for reaching out to our our neighbors, encourage them to get connected with any of us.

32:39

All right, thank you so much, Miss Stewart.

32:42

The next caller.

32:44

The next caller is caller ending in 039.

32:48

Caller ending in 039.

32:50

You have two minutes for general public comment.

32:59

That's 039, and it's turnip time.

33:02

Okay, you've had your two minutes.

33:04

Thank you.

33:06

The next caller.

33:08

Our last caller is Miko A.

33:10

Williams.

33:11

Miko A.

33:12

Williams.

33:13

You have two minutes for general public comment.

33:19

Hi, can you hear me?

33:21

Good morning.

33:22

Yes, we can.

33:23

Good morning, yes.

33:24

Uh, congratulations to the wonderful ladies of this committee for their re-elections.

33:30

Uh, also congratulations to our um president, madam uh mayor elect Mary Sheffield on two 30.

33:39

And I also want to um thank those that have ran.

33:42

Uh also congratulations to Denzel McCampbell.

33:45

That is a very big win.

33:47

What an awesome, awesome guy he is.

33:49

He did the work.

33:51

Um, you know, I'm just very I'm I'm I'm just gonna say this.

33:56

You know, out of all the years that I've worked in elections in the city of Detroit, I have never seen a woman use the office of her position to get elected instead of stepping down, running, then getting elected and getting back into office.

34:10

Janice Winfrey must be fired.

34:12

There has to be something done about her.

34:14

A 20% election is dismal, and shame on the candidates for not uh improving and making the importance of voting very paramount to the people of the city of Detroit that are broken, disencouraged, and don't want nothing to do with our political apparatus.

34:31

Um this is the thrilling and exciting thing about uh elections is that it shows who's all with you and who's off against you, and we see as we step up to the establishment.

34:41

Reverend Kenlock did that, and he and he uh won an integrity and making sure that he is not attacking, but also uncovering unmasking the establishment of Detroit.

34:52

Um, anyway, I just want to say, listen, we can all come together, we can work together and all, but I am not doing any of that.

35:00

People have shown who they truly are.

35:02

And in this time of uh Donald Trump and the way things are going right now, it's just best to X those people out and stay to you and stay to your household, stay to your block, and stay on your corner and do what you can do for your family and for your people and community that depend on you.

35:18

It's just time to do just that.

35:19

And I'm leaving out of here at the end of the month.

35:22

See you later.

35:23

Peace.

35:24

Thank you.

35:32

Yes, madam.

35:33

Okay, thank you so much.

35:35

That concludes our general public comment, and I would like to call back to order the 1015 interview.

35:42

The 1015 interview is for Anthony Sherman for reappointment to the Board of Zoning Appeals representing District 7.

35:51

Mr.

35:52

Sherman is joining us virtually.

36:01

Thank you.

36:18

Mr.

36:18

Sherman, are you there?

36:28

Ms.

36:28

Jackson, did Mr.

36:30

Sherman accept the promotion?

36:33

Yes, madam chair, and it looks like he is off mute, but his video is not turned on.

36:40

Okay, Mr.

36:40

Sherman, if you can hear me, if you can turn your video on and your volume on.

36:49

My video is showing a red uh hazard, it's not letting me cut it on.

36:58

Okay, please introduce yourself for the record.

37:04

My name is Anthony Sherman.

37:08

All right, Mr.

37:09

Sherman, if you can uh share with us your background.

37:14

I know you are currently on the Board of Zoning Appeals, so if you can talk about your background um and your experience on the BZA thus far.

37:25

Uh well, I'm a lifelong Detroit resident.

37:28

Um, been living at Detroit all my life.

37:30

Uh with the Cast Technical High School.

37:32

Um, from there I went to Michigan State University and got my degree in engineering.

37:37

Um since then, I've came back home and uh continue to be a resident of um Detroit while being uh engineer in the automotive industry.

37:47

Um I have been on the Board of Zoning Appeals since March of 2020.

37:53

Um it has been a pleasure and a great experience for me.

37:57

Um listening to the cases uh that petitioners bring forward, um, addressing the concerns of the community, um, as well as uh moving the city of Detroit forward.

38:13

All right, thank you.

38:14

Uh and so can you speak to how long you've been on the Board of Zoning Appeals?

38:19

Since March of 2020.

38:21

2020, you said, okay.

38:24

Um can you maybe share with us is there anything that you've experienced that you would like to see improved?

38:35

I know we get a lot of concerns relative to the community aspect of it, um, where residents want to ensure that they have been heard um and have access to documentation from any of the hearings.

38:51

Is there anything in particular that you'd like to see improved?

38:57

Uh well, I from my understanding, each individual uh from my experience have the uh equivalent and same amount of uh public comment time.

39:07

Um, if you know it's an opportunity to increase that time.

39:12

Um, I think you know that that would be beneficial to the community.

39:16

Um, as far as the transcripts, um, to my knowledge, they are uh or they were at some point um available.

39:24

I'm not sure of that actual process, but um, if they're unavailable to any of the community members, I think it would be beneficial for them to become available again.

39:34

Okay, thank you.

39:35

Um member Waters, any questions, comments?

39:41

Thank you, Madam Chair.

39:43

I just want to know what Mr.

39:44

Sherman thinks about um having their their sessions um recorded and some so that residents can go back and review those at any time or even having them shown on channel 10.

40:05

Um I don't have an issue with that.

40:07

Um my knowledge, I believe they are being recorded, and I know sometimes uh the news is present.

40:14

Um, so they need to be recorded so residents can see them on their own television.

40:18

I don't think that should be an issue.

40:21

Okay, yeah.

40:22

Yeah, I want residents to be able to see the see them because it's so expensive for people to go back and get copies.

40:31

That's what we hear residents complain about a lot of times, but if they're able to just go back themselves and just sit down and watch it without any cost uh to them, I think that would help a lot.

40:44

Yeah, I think that would be beneficial as well.

40:46

I know uh as we are available right now via Zoom.

40:50

I know the uh residents can watch via Zoom, but to be I know some people may not be computer savvy or have uh that type of technology, so it would be easier and more feasible uh on the television, I believe.

41:05

Okay, all right, just trying to figure out a way um to make it easier for residents, and so we'd I appreciate if you would let us know if you have any of the thoughts on that uh in the future.

41:19

Definitely will.

41:20

Thank you.

41:23

And Mr.

41:23

Sherman, just very quickly, do you know if the hearings that are available via Zoom are shared publicly?

41:40

Are you asking if anyone can dial in at the time of the hearing and watch via Zoom?

41:46

No, actually asking if um the Zoom meetings are recorded if those recordings are available on perhaps the BZA's website.

42:00

I I am not familiar with that information.

42:03

Okay.

42:04

All right, thank you.

42:05

So that's something that we should look into because I know Zoom has been made available to residents who are not able to join in person and recognizing that all of our council sessions are available via the clerk's office for review.

42:27

All of the archived videos are available on the city's website, so we should certainly look into having BZA's uh recordings made available as well.

42:38

And I know that with Zoom, there is a component for recording, and the link to the recording can be provided on BZA's website, um, albeit for a finite amount of time, I believe, with Zoom.

42:53

Um, however, I think the recording can probably be downloaded and saved elsewhere outside of Zoom to be made available for the general public.

43:04

All right, uh, thank you so much, Mr.

43:06

Sherman.

43:07

I know that's certainly uh something that we can speak with the director about, uh, but certainly do appreciate your service and your willingness to continue to serve.

43:18

Is that yes?

43:21

Is there anything else you'd like to share with us as we conclude the interview?

43:27

Um I just like to say I appreciate my time on the board of zoning appeals, and I would like to continue to do my due diligence of for the city of Detroit and its residents to continue to move the city forward.

43:40

All right, excellent.

43:41

Thank you so much.

43:42

All right, thank you.

43:44

Member Waters there is a need to include within your motion um if the thought is to move the interview forward to request that LPD draft a resolution for the reappointment.

44:03

Is there a motion?

44:05

Motion.

44:06

There's a motion to send line item five to formal with a recommendation to approve and requesting LPD to draft a resolution for the reappointment.

44:16

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

44:21

That now concludes our 1015 interview, and I would like to close it out.

44:29

That brings us to unfinished business.

44:36

And beginning with line item 6.1.

44:39

Line item 6.1 is a settlement request and lawsuit of Anthony Collins versus City of Detroit and Ariana Nicole Smith.

44:50

Case number 24-007 889-NI.

44:55

This is in the amount of 65,000.

45:04

Is there a motion?

45:07

Motion to approve.

45:09

There's a motion to send line item 6.1 to formal with the recommendation to approve.

45:15

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

45:21

Line item 6.2 is a settlement request in lawsuit of Northland Radiology versus City of Detroit.

45:29

Case number 24-00859-I.

45:35

This is for the Department of Transportation.

45:38

In the amount of $16,500.

45:46

Is there a motion?

45:48

Motion to approve.

45:50

There's a motion to send line item 6.2 to formal with a recommendation to approve.

45:57

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

46:01

Line item 6.3 is a settlement request and lawsuit of Santa Montgomery.

46:08

Maybe Shantay.

46:09

Versus City of Detroit, Kevin Bryant, and Cure.

46:13

Case number 24-003-258-NI.

46:19

This is for the police department in the amount of $50,000.

46:28

Is there a motion on line item 6.3?

46:32

Motion to approve.

46:41

There's a motion to send line item 6.3 to formal with a recommendation to approve.

46:50

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

47:03

Line item 6.4 is a settlement request in lawsuit of Carolyn Taylor versus City of Detroit.

47:11

Case number 24-005 796-NO.

47:17

This is for the Department of Public Works in the amount of $55,000.

47:25

And Member Waters, I'm not sure if Member Callaway received a response to her question regarding this line item.

47:33

So is there a motion to bring it back?

47:36

Oh, she's good.

47:37

Okay.

47:37

All right.

47:38

Is there a motion on line item 6.4?

47:41

Motion to approve.

47:42

There's a motion to send line item 6.4 to formal with a recommendation to approve.

47:47

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

47:53

Line item 6.5 status of council member Gabriela Santiago Romero.

47:58

Submitting memorandum relative to language access ordinance implementation update.

48:04

Is there a motion to receive and file?

48:06

Motion.

48:07

There's a motion to receive and file line item 6.5.

48:12

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

48:16

Line item 6.6, status of council member Letitia Johnson submitting memorandum relative to questions regarding City Council's ability to revoke delegated authority for contracts subject to administrative approval.

48:31

Is there a motion to discuss?

48:33

Motion.

48:34

Discussion.

48:35

Attorney Anderson.

48:38

This seems like a very simple question for me.

48:43

Can you help me understand where we are?

48:46

Through the chair to Councilmember Johnson.

48:48

I can assure you it is not a simple response, even though it is a very simple answer.

48:53

It uh I have combed through this ordinance quite a bit myself.

48:57

Um I've had meetings with uh LPD and uh with uh Director Stahl.

49:04

Uh currently the memo is being reviewed by my supervisor, and uh I am extremely confident we'll be able to have a very detailed discussion next week.

49:14

All right, thank you for that.

49:17

Um I'm interested in uh some of the conversation.

49:21

All right, member waters, is there a motion to bring line item 6.6 back in one week?

49:26

Motion hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

49:33

Line item 6.7 is actually associated with line item 6.6.

49:38

Line item 6.7 is status of office of contracting and procurement.

49:43

This is the July and August monthly report of contracts approved administratively.

49:49

Is there a motion to bring this line item back in one week?

49:54

Motion.

49:55

There's a motion to bring line item 6.7 back in one week.

50:00

Hearing no objections, that action shall be taken.

50:03

And we do not have any new business because we did not have formal session yesterday.

50:18

Thank you, madam chair.

50:19

I just want to take this opportunity to say thank you to Detroit for their support and for their confidence in me and by sending me back here, re-electing me to this office.

50:39

Um who uh who ran a good race.

50:42

Uh congratulate my colleagues, all of them that will be returning.

50:47

And I certainly want to congratulate um Madam President on an impressive run.

50:54

Um I literally saw her everywhere and throughout this city.

51:04

She didn't turn down uh their invice, and that reflects um in her impressive win.

51:12

So once again, thank you, Detroit, and much love.

51:17

Thank you, Member Waters, and congratulations to you.

51:21

Job well done.

51:22

Um again to everyone who will return to this body and to our two new council members elect that will join us on the body.

51:36

Look certainly looking forward to serving with them.

51:40

Um we have a lot of work to do, but I know we have people who have great hearts, great minds, uh, and are committed to this city and to our residents throughout this city.

51:53

So certainly looking forward to uh the next four years.

51:57

If there is nothing else to come before us without objection, we shall stand adjourned.

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Summary of Proceedings

Internal Operations Committee Meeting (November 5, 2025)

The Internal Operations Committee convened with Councilmembers Mary Waters and Letitia Johnson (acting Chair) and Member Callaway absent. The meeting focused on post-election acknowledgments, extensive public testimony regarding governance, election integrity, and housing, the reappointment interview for the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA), and the approval of several legal settlements. The committee also deferred discussion on two line items regarding delegated authority and contract reports to the following week.

Consent Calendar

  • Minutes were approved without objection.
  • Line items 6.1 through 6.4 (settlements) were moved to formal approval:
    • Anthony Collins vs. City of Detroit ($65,000).
    • Northland Radiology vs. City of Detroit ($16,500).
    • Santa Montgomery vs. City of Detroit ($50,000).
    • Carolyn Taylor vs. City of Detroit ($55,000).
  • Line item 6.5 (Gabriela Santiago Romero memorandum on language access) was received and filed.

Public Comments & Testimony

Public speakers expressed a mix of congratulations to the newly elected body and strong criticisms regarding recent city operations:

  • Support for Policy & Veterans: Mr. Foster expressed support for the city's recent policy changes and veteran initiatives, calling for integrity and openness to new ideas.
  • Grievances on Voting Logistics & Administration:
    • William M. Davis expressed disappointment over low voter turnout and poor voter education, citing the need to reduce polling distances to under one mile. He stated he believes Janet Rentley is "doing a horrible job."
    • Miko A. Williams expressed strong opposition to the election process, calling the 20% turnout "dismal" and demanding Janice Winfrey be fired, while criticizing candidates for not prioritizing voting importance.
    • Darren McCleskey expressed concern over the high costs of the "phase two use restrictions" project, noting legal costs are escalating and urging a full accounting of funds.
    • Several callers (including "Not that Karen" and Rochella Stewart) expressed concern over homelessness, food security (SNAP benefits), and dissatisfaction with current political outcomes, urging better listening to residents.
  • Constitutional & Charter Violations:
    • Owner Papa expressed opposition to the city's current internal operations, stating the lack of a true health department is a "serious charter violation." He argued that the recent fiscal income tax amendment was "illegal" due to a lack of public hearings and described garbage collection on freeways as "unconstitutional and illegal."
  • Concerns on Zoning & Due Process:
    • Caller "Please slow down zoning rush job" expressed deep concern that current zoning speed bypasses resident rights and objected to the Board of Zoning Appeals (BZA) limiting public testimony to one or two minutes, arguing it violates due process. They also criticized the Finance Office of Information and Accountability (FOIA) for a 120-day response time.
    • Tyson Gersh argued for charging escrow fees for BZA transcripts upfront to recoup costs and highlighted a missing memo from March 2022 regarding court reporters.
    • Caller Mr. Roo expressed extreme anger, stating that Mary Waters, Letitia Johnson, and Angela Callaway were "cheated in" to office and characterized the election results as fraudulent.

Discussion Items

  • BZA Reappointment (Anthony Sherman):
    • Mr. Sherman, a lifelong resident and automotive engineer, was interviewed for reappointment to the BZA representing District 7.
    • Councilmember Waters questioned the public availability of meeting recordings. Mr. Sherman expressed support for making Zoom recordings publicly available on the BZA website or TV to assist residents who cannot afford transcript fees.
    • The Chair noted that BZA recordings should be made available similarly to Council sessions.
  • Deferred Items:
    • Line Item 6.6 (Member Johnson's inquiry on revoking delegated contract authority) was deferred for one week as the Attorney General's office was still reviewing the ordinance.
    • Line Item 6.7 (Office of Contracting and Procurement report) was deferred to coincide with the review of Line Item 6.6.

Key Outcomes

  • Approved:
    • Appointment of Anthony Sherman to the Board of Zoning Appeals for District 7 (with a directive to Legal Department to draft a resolution).
    • Settlements approved for Anthony Collins ($65,000), Northland Radiology ($16,500), Santa Montgomery ($50,000), and Carolyn Taylor ($55,000).
  • Deferred:
    • Line item 6.6 and 6.7 moved to the next meeting agenda.
  • Directives:
    • The committee agreed to investigate the feasibility of making BZA Zoom recordings and hearing transcripts publicly accessible on the city website or broadcast on Channel 10 to reduce resident costs and increase transparency.
  • Adjournment: The meeting concluded with congratulations to the incoming administration and members.

Meeting Transcript

Present. Councilmember Mary Waters. Present. Councilmember Angela Whitfield Callaway. Member Callaway did indicate that she would not be present this morning. Clerk was on note. Madam Chair, you have a quorum present. And you're welcome. Having a quorum present, we are now in session. Good morning, Member Waters. Motion to approve the minutes. There is a motion to approve the minutes. Hearing no objections, that action will be taken. And I just want to say, with my chair remarks, because this is the privilege that I have on Wednesday mornings, uh, to be the first council person to chair a committee meeting. Um after our Tuesdays, I want to say thank you to everyone who stepped up, showed up, and ran for office. Running for office is a challenging thing. It is very challenging to do. Um, but I want to encourage those who were not successful this time to continue to stay engaged, to continue to stay involved, because our residents need you, our city needs you, our communities need you. It takes for all of us to come together and work together. So with that, I want to say congratulations to those who were successful to all of my colleagues who were successful. Uh, to council president, congratulations on making history. Um, we look forward to working with you as we continue to elevate our residents, our neighborhoods, our communities, and this city of Detroit. Thank you all so much for doing what you do. Thank you for holding us accountable. Thank you for standing with us. Uh, we certainly do appreciate you, and we are looking forward to the next four years being an amazing four years in the city's history because of all of you working together with all of us. Thank you all so much. All right, we are now going to move into general public comment. If there is anyone joining us from the public who'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand. I see one person here in the committee of the whole. We're going to cut off public comment at 10.06. My clock says it's 1005 right now. So if you're joining us virtually and you'd like to make a comment, please raise your hand by 10.06. Good morning, Miss Jackson. If we can please set the clock for two minutes, and how many hands do we currently have raised virtually? Morning, madam chair. We have 13 hands raised for virtual public comment. All right. Once we have the clock on the screen, we will get started with Mr. Foster. Good morning, Mr. Foster. Good morning. Um, through the chair. A few things is um, I guess congratulations on um all the city council's uh elections. Um I think that the city has been doing a good job these last four years. I've always said that. I agree with the mayor that a great degree of the change in this direction come from policies. Policies is a driving force and change in any type of system in government. Um I appreciate the veterans and the medal of honor things coming here, the arsenal for democracy, and a lot of other things.

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