Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the uh committee of the whole that we have in place today for the confirmation hearings of seven appointees for uh various departments within the city of Detroit.

Uh Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

Sure, good morning.

Council President Council President James Tate.

Here council Pro Tem Colman Young.

Here Councilmember Angela Whitfield Callaway.

Callaway indicated she's on her way.

Councilmember Mary Waters.

Member Waters did submit a memo indicating her absence, so it is excused.

Councilmember Gabriela Santiago Romero.

Member Santiago Romero sent a memo indicating that she would be absent, so her absence is excused.

Councilmember Renata Miller.

Councilwoman Renata Miller present.

Councilmember Denzel McCampbell.

Member McCampbell sent a memo indicating that he would not be present, so his absence is excused.

Councilmember Letitia Johnson present.

Councilmember Scott Benson.

Councilmember Scott Benson sent a memo indicating that he would not be present, so his absence is excused.

Thank you so much.

Since we do not have a quorum, we're gonna jump right into public comment uh first, and we are going to allow that time uh for uh additional council members to arrive who uh indicate that they're that they're on their way.

Um so if you are someone who would like to provide public comment, please raise your hand now online or in person.

I have three cards in front of me right now in person.

If you are online or in person, you would like to provide public comment, please raise your hand now, going once, going twice, going three times.

The collection public comments have now concluded.

All right, team, how many do we have online?

Nine online still?

Okay, all right.

So we have nine online, three in person.

We'll give everyone uh give everyone a minute and a half today.

Minute and a half.

All right, so we will start with uh Ruben James Crowley Jr.

The floor is yours, sir.

Well, we'll first get the we'll first get the clock up.

Let's get that clock up, Tim.

We want to give the gentleman his proper time.

Get the microphone.

Not yet.

Oh, I'm sorry.

The name is Mr.

Rue.

You know you called it.

Excuse me, sir.

Sir, you will be removed.

We have a sense of decorum.

I did not give you the opportunity to speak yet.

I said pause until we get the clock up.

That is what I said.

Oh, they tell me turn around.

I just said it.

I'm telling you, pause.

You're getting the clock up.

Talking fly to me.

You never see the call.

My bad, I'm sorry.

Oh people can't raise their hands on the Zoom.

People can't raise their hands on Zoom.

Don't leave, don't leave.

Team, I need the two minutes on the clock, please.

So we can begin this meeting.

Oh, excuse me, a minute 30, a minute 30.

Oh jokes and smiles, huh?

You ready for me to start?

Tell me where I can go ahead and start.

All right.

Just so uh everyone knows that we have just received a memo uh from member Callaway's office indicating that she would be absent for today's session.

Which means that we will not be able to hold uh today's uh confirmation hearings because we uh out of lack of a quorum.

Um Madam Clerk, I'm sorry, uh uh Madam Parliamentarian.

Um because we do not have a quorum and we do not anticipate having a quorum at this point based on the notifications that we have here.

Uh is it proper to uh close out this meeting now?

Uh seeing that there is no action set this.

Let's have public comments, please.

Okay, all right.

One let everyone uh uh Mr.

Whitaker, yes, sir.

Because you have people who have come down, it has been.

I agree you can't have a meeting because you don't have a quorum.

Give him an opportunity to speak.

But you give them an opportunity to speak.

Okay.

Okay.

So what we'll do is we'll give uh everyone uh honor that minute 30.

Hey, six four four excuse me, sir.

I'm asking you again.

This is my last time asking you.

No nigga.

Last time, Mr.

Ruben James Crowley Jr.

You have a minute 30.

The floor is yours.

You may proceed.

Okay, this badge number 644, the one you told to take action, put his hands on me.

Now you call Kinesha Coleman's mother, DPD case 2011.

You fake fraud city council president.

You called her and told her I was not the right representative for her family.

Well, guess what?

I solved the whole murder cover up.

Charmaine McCloud did it.

I put my word on it.

She is responsible for the death of Kenisha Coleman, and you are fake fraud cheating in public official over in District One, which is my stumping grounds.

What you're gonna find out, City Council, President James E.

Tate Jr., fraud, fake liar.

You don't know me.

But you're about to find out about the real.

And him, him too.

When I gotta be, and now you get ready to get exposed.

Janice Winfrey been cheating in the elections for years and years and years.

You've been cheating in four times.

And now you're the city council president.

And you can smoke D.

Double D.

Triple D.

And crafty comrade and crafty Mike can go right with you.

I'm about to expose all you.

You first.

All right.

Thank you so much.

I tip it back.

I mind about sugar honey ice tea.

Typically don't respond to um irate individuals, but for the record, when you say that my election was illegitimate, uh, understand that I ran unopposed.

So there is no way that that could take place.

So thank you very much.

We'll now go to our next speaker, and that is Mr.

Jadante Smith.

You have a minute 30, sir.

I'm gonna talk very fast.

Jadante Smith, vice president of the Helen Street Block Club in District 5.

Uh, my name is Jadante Smith.

I'm a district five resident, and I'm going to bring forth uh a few few residents who are opposing the appointment of Conrad Mallet, even though the meeting cannot be held today.

So there was an eight to one vote last year initiated by Scott Benson to give corporation counsel uh powers of misdemeanor prosecutions in the city of Detroit.

Only person the only person who voted against this on city council was Mary Sheffield, who is now a Madam Mayor, and so she had a vote of no confidence in this corporation council, who she is voting to re-elect.

I I vehemently ask that the city council does not vote Conrad Mallet back into this position.

He has cost us millions of dollars in indemnification lawsuits to city betrayed.

He has usurped the board of the police commissioners.

And I'm gonna say this.

Anybody who can hear me and comes to this meeting, you ask me for anything.

If you didn't come and I asked you to come and speak about Conrad Mallet, call Conrad Mallet.

I'm gonna tell you that.

Call corporation counsel.

And I hope if you get a misdemeanor in the city of Detroit, if you didn't come out and say anything today, I hope he throw the book at you.

But I also want to say uh there's a lot of things going on in the city, and it doesn't make sense how we're gonna reappoint a person who is not doing a proper job.

Also, Julie Snyder, who's sitting behind me in the room, has done a terrible job.

So I believe that HRD needs a new director as well.

We have a homelessness crisis in the city of Detroit, and we need new leadership there as well.

But if you guys vote in Conrad Mallet, I'm gonna make sure everybody get a call from the media.

I'm gonna make sure of it.

We all get a call from the media about why you voted against what the residents wanted for the city, and I got residents in every district.

Trauma.

Thank you.

Next caller.

Um next call.

So Alan Barrett, the floor is yours.

Let's get that clock up.

Floor is yours, sir.

Uh, yeah, I'm also here to ask counsel uh reject the reappointment of Conrad Mallet.

Um he was instrumental in the nuisance abatement program.

It's more pretty much a land grab against working class Detroiters, while also dropping lawsuits against well-known slumlords speculators.

Uh he stood in the way of transparency by locking old DPD officer complaints away from media investigation.

He's had some pretty troubling remarks actually at the uh about ice at the end of the last BOPC meeting.

Uh and by the way, I'm not sure how he's able to serve as corporation counsel for both the city and the BOPC, a body that's supposed to hold a accountable the same DPD that he's corporation counsel for on behalf of the city.

He thwarted the OIG investigation of Antoine Bryant by refusing to turn over evidence.

He served as Duggan's hitman to kibosh many grassroots reforms and to protect the corporate gravy train at every turn, usually relying on the rationale that it would violate the charter or open the city to litigation.

Um it's reported that his leadership of the law department has caused low morale and drama among personnel there.

Uh so I I mean the list goes on, but I asked counsel to reject this appointment and make Sheffield find a newer, fresher candidate.

Thanks.

We shall now go to our online callers.

Uh Mr.

Whitfield, who is our first caller.

Good morning, Council President.

Good morning.

Our first caller will be uh Mr.

Cunningham.

Brother Cunningham, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30.

General public comment.

313, 444, 911 4.

313, 4449114.

313.

Four, four, four.

Nine one one four.

That number was made so you can remember it.

That's my cash app.

Or if you go to Facebook, you can put in those numbers, uh, and you will see that phone number that you'll see uh my page.

Um I try to do a lot of hand warmers' gloves and busted because at the bus stops.

It's a dangerous uh endeavor to do that.

But I love people and uh continue to love Detroit.

Uh, even after that incident.

I'm asking each and every one of you is cold in the book.

You make a hundred thousand, you make two hundred thousand, you make three hundred thousand, you make 50,000.

Take some of your money and buy some hand warmers and give it to those in the community at the bus stops.

They're not out there for their health, they're out there to get to work, school, play church.

That's their means of transportation.

Please give them some hand warmers or buy some bus tickets and give it to the people, or you can do it vicariously through me, brother Cunningham.

But do something is cold.

If you can do the most powerful thing, which I believe in prayer, I pray every day.

The fervent effectual prayers of the righteous available much.

Pray for the homeless and pray for those waiting at the bus stops.

I want to be public for 10 years.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller is Darren Belesky.

All right, caller.

Good morning.

Good morning.

I really appreciate you guys letting us speak despite not having quorum.

My name is Darren.

I lived in the North End for seven years.

I own rentals in Detroit.

I operate multiple businesses in Detroit.

I've rehabbed or I'm rehabbing over 100 units in Detroit and have multiple properties in the new fast track pilot program.

I have to express two very strong opinions.

This is a new mayoral administration and a new city council.

Why continue in the ways of the prior administration?

Mary Sheffield voted against the solar initiative, but was told by Conrad Mallett it was going swimmingly and voted for the second round.

This is an unprecedented project in many ways, and history will tell how it is looked back upon.

Hundreds of lawsuits, many cost increases, and the outright trampling of constitutional rights shouldn't be rewarded with a reappointment.

Did you ever get that list that was promised?

I won't even get into his oversight of junior attorneys, one of whom often advises your body, and recently spent eight days in Oakland County jail for parole violations.

Now, Tanya Studemeyer, I have nothing against her whatsoever, except for possibly one major oversight.

In fact, I hope she's listening because she has been used by corporation counsel.

She signed a statement of just compensation that on its face is fraudulent.

It's nearly identical to Jay Rising's, but it's been used to take hundreds of vacant parcels.

She attests in the court of law that all 9009,000 parcels are non-armed income.

That is not the case.

So now that it is brought to her attention, she should correct that.

Thank you.

Next caller is Joyce Jennings.

Joyce Jennings, the floor is yours.

Mr.

Whitaker, don't if you can make sure you're here before we uh as we wrap up, because I got a couple of questions.

I want to make sure it's for clarification.

Joyce Jennings, my apologies.

The floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Greetings to all.

On July 4th, 2026, the United States of America will celebrate um 250 years of its formation.

A country that was founded on stealing, killing, and destroying from the indigenous heirs and people of these lands.

The reality is in the city of Detroit, we are talking about reappointing individuals who have contributed to the heirs property theft legacy and to the history of the city of Detroit.

Under a new administration, if we are going to have a mayor who is talking about addressing poverty, why reappoint individuals who have been brought into the city of Detroit to take away the stability of people being able to own land and property, people who have should have opportunities to contracts to build wealth, hiring practices that prefer hiring people outside of the city of Detroit rather than people who are in the city of Detroit.

We are now ranking as one of the highest impoverished cities in not just in the United States, but in the world.

William M.

Davis, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Can I be heard?

Yes, sir.

Okay, I like to start off by saying I am in favor of the executive organization plan.

I think that's a good step in the right direction.

I am uh dismayed about the reappointment of so many people who was here at the previous administration.

Uh, even though there are a few good ones, I I'd like and thank the will continue to do a good job, like the current chief of police, Ty Bevison.

I think he would be uh an excellent addition to this new administration.

You know, I I think separately.

You know, you know, I think that the current corporation council, perhaps someone better should be in that position, you know, because of the record high number of countless indemnifications, you know, for police officers and others.

Uh, you know, I think the city of Detroit could possibly do better.

And don't get me wrong, I I personally like them.

In fact, uh, I was friends with his father.

Uh also separately.

Why is it the city of Detroit have recreation centers that's closed on Saturdays?

That should not be the case.

How can you be a friendly ordinary city if you got recreation centers closed on Saturdays and especially during this cold weather?

But any time, we should have all of our recreation centers open so it could be more friendly towards the community and help the community.

Of course, we don't have no recreational centers in district seven.

We will left out again.

Have a good day.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller is Betty A.

Warner.

Uh good morning to all within the sound of my voice.

I'm Betty A.

Varner, president of the Soda Ellsworth Black Association.

Wanted to give some information in regards to a program through DAA, Detroit Area Agency for the Aging.

The telephone number is 313 446, 4444.

Again, 31346, 4444.

The name of the program is My Choice Waiver.

If you need help at your home, if you are senior or disabled, and you normally would not be eligible for Medicaid.

They have a program where you can earn up to 2900 a month and be eligible for Medicaid.

And they will come out to your home, do an assessment, see what it is that you need to be able to stay in your home.

The purpose of the program is to keep you in your home and to help you stay out of a nursing home.

It is a federal government program.

It is called My MI Choice Waiver.

Once they do an assessment, they see what it is that you need.

They will provide services and have someone come and do your chores, run your errands.

Gotten help with uh the electrical work done.

Um I needed a recliner chair.

They provided a elevator, so they I uh won't be confined to my home because I have a problem going up and downstairs.

So there's a wonderful program.

Call and get the information, get in the My Choice Waiver program.

Thank you for this time.

Thank you.

And team, it appears that there's been an issue with the timer.

Let's make sure that we get the time up and keep it up.

130.

Who's our next caller, please?

Next caller is Cindy Dara.

Cindy Dara, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Cindy Dara, are you there?

Yeah.

Well, uh I I uh knew Conrad Mallet when I was lifeguarding, I was a swim labor at Pac Poole.

And he was a lifeguard there with uh probably back in 70.

So uh that's when his father was uh Wayne County Commissioner, and I think I always heard that it was kind of corrupt.

He was probably on the Wayne County Road Commission committee.

Uh so anyway, I think we need to look at the system, and I think it's awful to think that we're bringing just back the same people.

I worried about the endorsement in the first place.

So uh but like for instance, homelessness.

If you look at Pine Street Inn, and and uh can you hear me?

Yeah, okay.

Anyway, uh in Boston that I stayed there when I worked there as an electrician until I found a room I could rent by the week.

But I I'll tell you, it was much better than what I've seen here, and we need to learn and try and in Colorado.

There they pass a lot they have lawyers that'll help the citizens fight their own government when the government's wrong.

We had that during the poverty program and adjust.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller is Galaxy Tap A.

Caller, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Are you there?

Caller, are you there?

Mr.

Whitfield, let's put this caller at the end of the queue and go to the next caller, please.

Next caller is James Chandler.

Caller, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Hello, can you hear me?

Yes, sir.

Okay, my name is James Chandler.

I was a previous written candidate for city council district one.

Uh I'm making this call because I have a petition on the table.

It's coming your way.

The city council.

Uh I've been talking with um this the office assistant of the city of Detroit, Ali.

I'm gonna just leave it at leave it at that.

I don't know how to really pronounce his name.

Uh but I would like for you guys to really look at the petition.

It's about human rights, the quality of life.

And I know a lot of people are for it.

And of course, some people are gonna be against it, but those who are against it will definitely be against the constitution and human rights.

Just to put that out there.

I'm also against uh the rerun of um Mallet and uh uh we need to talk about the corruption that's going on in these courts.

Uh policy being above law must change.

Uh also um everything in that petition would definitely explain what I'm saying.

Um there are men struggling in this cold weather.

It was a man that was disabled yesterday.

I came from the NAACP meeting, uh, which you guys need to be working together with that group as well uh to try to make something happen for our people.

Uh men should be able to get in these shelters, not just women and children.

It's very sad.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller is Tyson.

Caller, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30, general public comment.

Hi, can you hear me?

Yes.

Great, thank you.

Um, I guess calling in about reappointing Conrad Mallet.

Our law department is just out of control.

Uh frankly, I was shocked to see Sheffield.

Um, I guess nominated him or whatever the process is.

I like if we're gonna I think that there are a large number of issues that will eventually go through the courts and become scandals for the city of Detroit.

I think a lot of those are already in motion, and I think a lot of them are the result of the current law department culture and actions, and you know, I want to see Sheffield succeed, I want to see the city succeed, and I do not believe that that is possible with the current culture of the Detroit Law Department under the leadership of Conrad Mallet.

Um, you know, there's a reason that the former uh deputy corporation council stormed out, you know, like this is a long standing issue.

Everybody knows it.

I mean, my god, try and get a foyer in the city.

If we as a city want to succeed and not become just another like repeat history of just being scandal after scandal after scandal, it's time to just clean house and get an ethical person in that position, and that is not Conrad Matt.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller is Marjorie Maddox and Scarlet.

Marjorie Maddox Scarlet, the floor is yours, general public comment.

The game we are not when we are maybe say that they follow the ABO guard and the university of this week.

There is no there is no recording.

We have no chat.

Um the noise deliver my vote.

Thank you.

Next caller, please.

Next caller.

And this will be our last caller.

We're going back to Galaxy Tab A.

All right, Galaxy Tab A, the floor is yours.

You have a minute 30.

General public comment.

Good morning.

Good morning.

When I made a comment about the snow down by Lasky, uh, like I had to walk again.

I walked to the store the other day.

And uh this is the second time.

Only part was clear was the part to pull up into the parking lot.

Well, I had to walk around if I walk down loose from where the that goes to the Lasky Sidewalks is not cleared.

Going down Finland, sidewalks was not cleared.

I'm told to go and call to put it on on the Detroit app, but I'm saying it online because it's not right.

The whole part of Laskies for the playground all the way down to Finland and Charles should be cleared from loose and kindly to where the Laskies owned should be cleared.

Number two, I want to bring about what uh Scott Benson did.

Yes, district three.

He's gonna text uh he go he emailed people and tell them that it was a it was terrible that what went on at the meeting talking about how I guess people talked about other nationalities.

Well, let me tell you this.

I told this man about 14 houses that was in my district, and they didn't have to be, they wasn't all torn down, but they was not given to people like homeless people where it could rent houses and stuff, and they constantly I can't I'm constantly seeing other people get in these houses when you have people that city Detroit residents that need thank you so much, Ms.

Rowling.

All right, so Mr.

Smith, please stop with the please refrain from the outburst, please.

That'll be helpful.

Again, I'm gonna give you another opportunity.

So that ends uh our public comments, and I want to uh first uh apologize everyone.

We did a head count.

Um please remove this gentleman.

Thank you so much.

We did a head count uh yesterday as well as last uh this morning to ensure we have five members who were attending today.

Uh I want to thank each and every one of you who showed up.

It is extremely cold, it's extremely challenging to be here.

Uh, and things happen, I get it.

Uh it's always helpful to get a notification so that we can ensure to uh communicate that to all, uh, especially uh those who are uh coming uh as um uh for a uh the uh confirmation hearings that's critically uh important to me and I believe this body.

So again, I want to apologize uh for for that taking place.

Uh this was certainly not a waste of time, it's always important for us to make sure that we are uh executing the process that we have uh that we have laid out.

Um in the internal operations standing committee, there was no quorum that was noticed.

So members did not have an opportunity uh uh outside of that committee to ask the questions of the individuals who are seeking confirmation.

So that is why uh it is important to have an opportunity for each member to ask those questions of those um appointees that have been put before us.

Mr.

Whitaker, I am looking to uh place the uh confirmation hearings uh within our formal session on Tuesday.

That way we will prayerfully have five members here, uh quorum here.

Uh it's what is the procedure that is necessary to allow that to happen, sir.

Mr.

President, you need to have it pulled out of iOS because it's currently housed in IOS.

So if you bring it out of iOS, um not for a vote though, yeah.

For for discussion.

You're trying to I want to have essentially what we were going to do today take place.

Not and we weren't gonna vote today.

Right.

And my plan is not to vote on Tuesday either, but to allow uh all members to have an opportunity to uh address and ask questions uh of the appointees.

That that is what I'm I'm seeking again, not for a vote on Tuesday.

President I I think to to bring it out of committee it is in committee now and I think the proper thing to do is to bring it out of committee bring it before the body for discussion which you can do and um the the president can do that sir just for clarification the president can do that unilaterally no that is what I'm asking what is the move that the president can do to ensure that this body of nine has an opportunity to speak before uh to to question the individuals that are coming before us certainly the the the most efficient way would be for the chair to move to move it out for discussion before the body correct and if if uh because as you indicate the the the committee was not expanded to include the entirety of council uh through your rules and so without having a form such as this you're not allowed to really examine the candidates like perhaps the six who are not members of the committee might want to do so having having the the chair bring it out of committee or or bring it to the body for to allow for the fuller discussion of of the committee would be uh the committee of the whole would be the the matter in which I would recommend you do.

And for the record is that the only way it's the only way that's coming to mind do you have an uh an option to get it before the formal there is an option to pull an item from the um could from a committee to the committee of the whole I mean it requires a vote from um your body the full body escapes me the full body um it escapes me how many votes you need in order to do so um but that is a possibility probably the most collegial way though is to ask the um the committee chairperson to move it into formal session through the chair all right thank you so much member miller I am a member on the IOS and I do recall we did interview all the um the candidates or the appointees I actually took an almost hour per candidate myself and interview them outside of the body of the ILS so for me as a new person I was wondering how do they typically do that is it are we relying on the committee to do that or are they able to come inside and have a seat and say they want to ask questions or show up that there need to be appointments because it seems to be some it's a disparity here with how we're operating.

Mr.

President Mr It can be done in a variety of ways it which with these confirmation hearings given the positions that that these uh these uh appointees hold in the city and the importance that's why the the charter has a confirmation of these particular appointments because of the significant role that they play in the governance of the city um I I would believe that all of the council having it in the committee is the way routinely interviews are conducted they're normally conducted uh for the purposes of council appointments in uh internal operations however when it comes to these particular uh appointments because of the significance you really want to uh allow for the entire body to have an opportunity to interview as you heard in public comment these positions are important to the public so they need to hear you might be satisfied with the questions that you received sufficient to vote up or down on the candidacy but you're doing it you're doing it in public to allow for the public to hear the questions you asked and the answers you receive in response so it's important that it that it be done in in public and so therefore if you're gonna do it within the committee expanding the committee to allow for all of your colleagues to be present would be uh probably the most efficient way of of doing it but from what I understood you know this date was selected to be a committee of the whole and you know our office was not responsible for setting that up but I assume that that you did it that way to allow for the entire body to have an opportunity to do conduct the interviews get the questions out and the answers back so that they could they could inform the public that you were not making a mistake and and that the mayor was not making mistake in putting these appointments forward because she has confidence and so that you need you need enough information so you have confidence

receive in response so it's important that it that it be done in public and so therefore if you're going to do it within the committee expanding the committee to allow for all of your colleagues to be present would be uh probably the most efficient way of of doing it but from what I understood you know this date was selected to be a committee of the whole and you know our office was not responsible for setting that up but I assume that that you did it that way to allow for the entire body to have an opportunity to do conduct the interviews get the questions out and the answers back so that they could they could inform the public that you were not making a mistake and and that the mayor was not making mistake in putting these appointments forward because she has confidence and so that you need you need enough information so you have confidence as well in the public as well.

Thank you Mr.

Whitaker I would suggest through the chair as a member on that committee I can make a suggestion or to move that out of committee and we don't have to go through any additional uh parameters to get it done we could just I'm saying I'm committed to I'm sure it won't be a problem.

Okay so you're gonna work to absolutely with with the chair to get it to pull out committee unless you turn for Tuesday.

So so just to be clear we're still looking to have an opportunity for each member to ask the questions because in committee that's only three and that's not to diminish that that's three but we have six other members who very well may want to question these individuals I think that is a to Mr Whitaker's point that's a critical uh element uh if in fact uh you are able and I'm gonna call the chair as well and reach out uh to pull it out of committee to allow us to have it on Tuesday but it is extremely critical again for all members to have an opportunity to face uh ask questions publicly of these individuals uh in advance of any confirmation that would take place we could easily just sign a piece of paper and say they're confirmed but that wouldn't be proper based on the heavy heavy heavy positions that are before us so I thank you for that uh assistance with that member miller and I just want to say again to the uh the people that are here today um I do apologize that we don't have a quorum um I know you travel through the call and we just wanted to um say I I apologize thank you so much member Johnson thank you Mr.

President um through you to Mr.

Whitaker can we also just share uh the deadline that is upon us in order for the uh confirmations the confirmation hearings to take place for council to respond to the um nominations or appointees I wish I had that date in front of me I think it's February 3rd though I think February 3rd is a Tuesday it is a voting day and I I think I'm going on memory and I got all this white hair back here but but I think it's uh February 3rd and February 3rd is a Tuesday and so you can vote.

Thank you Mr Whitaker I essentially the point is uh time is of the essence in order for the interviews to take place I do have some amazing questions that I have lined up for for several um of the appointees but and certainly look forward to the opportunity to have the dialogue uh with them with the uh the general public being present and and we all know that the public follows us more I think when there is a committee of the whole when when nine council members um are slated to be involved in any discussion um as opposed to our committee meetings when there are three of us I think a lot of the the public may not even know uh about our subcommittees if you will and so I think it's extremely important for them to hear the conversations as well noting that we hear their comments about uh the appointees so thank you thank you Mr.

Chair thank you so much okay Mr.

Whitaker we will uh have some additional uh conversation offline I will again have uh conversations with the chair to see uh how uh expeditiously and efficiently we can move this process along um colleagues any further before we uh adjourn see no questions uh if there's no objections today's committee of the whole now stands adjourned