Good afternoon, everyone.

Thank you all for being here.

I would like to call back into session our public health and safety standing committee for today, February 9th, 2026, for the purposes of our dangerous buildings hearings.

Madam Clerk, will you please call the roll?

Councilmember Gabriela Santiago Romero.

Present.

Councilmember Denzel Anton McCampbell.

Present.

Councilmember Mary Waters.

Madam Chair, you have a quorum.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Given a quorum, we'll go right into the hearings for this afternoon.

As mentioned earlier, we have around 50 properties before us for hearings for today.

I will turn it over to the administration first to share with the public what they can expect before I turn it over to our legislative policy division.

Good afternoon to the chair.

For owners of property here today, if City Council orders your building to be demolished, you have the opportunity to go to the building safety and environmental engineering department located in room 418.

I request a deferral of the demolition order.

This means that you must do the following.

Pay all required inspection fees.

Secure all openings on your building from trespass and elements and remove all exterior debris, abandoned vehicles, overgrowth, etc.

Pay or make arrangements regarding any delinquent city taxes.

Obtain the necessary permits to bring your building into compliance with all applicable codes and submit a completed deferral application.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Thank you, Mr.

Washington LPD.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

In addition to the important information just provided by the administration's representative by the nature of these hearings and the consequences and options and so forth.

People should be aware that these are legally required administrative appeal hearings from previous informal hearings held at the Department of Building Safety Engineering and Environment.

This is the as I say it's legally required the local legislature through this committee, either give the thumbs up or the thumbs down to the department's recommendations as to the 50 or 60 buildings on today's list as to whether they should be continued on the demolition list in order to assist the committee in their deliberations and to provide due process.

Representatives of the department are here with photos and the files.

Thank you.

Thank you.

If the clerk can please note we've been joined by Member Waters.

Thank you.

We will now turn it over to B seed to introduce themselves.

My name is Dili Patel.

I'm the assistant at the property maintenance uh building and safety department.

That's very dangerous buildings, clerk.

Thank you both for being here.

And as had been mentioned, these are hearings for folks who may not have done these with us before.

Uh we do have a number of properties before us.

I try to keep these hearings at about five minutes each to respect your time and to ensure that we help you however we can.

If you are at this point and you would like to uh prevent your building from being demolished, we will ask you some questions to see whether or not we can help you.

If you decide that you want to demolish, we will support you in those efforts as well.

Uh we will discuss um with our hearings when we're in our hearings.

We're going to take the folks that we have here in person first.

Uh so anyone that is here in person, if you are here for a hearing, please raise your hands now.

I see one person with their hand up, two people with their hand up.

I'll go with the people that I saw first.

So, gentlemen with the glasses.

If you want to, if you want to join us up here, um our EPU officer is gonna guide you uh to let you know where to take a seat, and then to the other gentleman that is here in person.

You'll be next, so you can take the seat whenever um it is empty.

I'm gonna ask everyone um if you wouldn't mind letting us know your name and which property here you're here to discuss, and then um we should be able to try to keep this as short and sweet and to the point to help you and and to keep you going with your day.

Uh so we'll start with people that we have here in person.

What is your name and which property are you here to discuss?

My name is Martin Berg, and I'm here to discuss the Kirchable property.

Okay.

And this is, I'm assuming you're looking to speak about 7728 Kirchhoff.

Correct.

Okay, so 7728 Kirchhoff.

Uh, this property has been withdrawn from the demolition list, meaning that it's not going to be um demolished at the moment.

Um, we do also know that this is a historic property.

Um, so we were flagged.

And making sure that we salvage this property.

But sir, um, are you the current owner?

Are you No, I'm a neighbor.

You're the neighbor.

Okay.

All right, understood.

Well, sir, it's not being demolished.

And at this moment, we really only can discuss these things with property owners.

Um I know that the issue when it comes to this part of the process, um, is just making sure the property owner is maintaining the property.

Um so we can continue to to reach out or find the property owner.

Um, but what happens is if the property stays abandoned, it'll just continue to to wear and tear and get to a point where it's too dangerous where it might have to be demolished.

So the best thing that we can do here is find the owner, let them know the building is at risk of being dangerous, it needs to be occupied.

Um, and I I know that I see um city staff here taking notes and trying to do that, but that's the next step that that we can do here.

Um, Mr.

Patal, as far as we know, we're not demolishing this property, correct?

It's historic.

We we're not moving forward.

But do we have connections to the property owner?

Uh yes, we had an occupied a couple of times the property on that property owner had took some steps to secure the property, and that's what we have.

Uh and also mean historically, yeah, that's what we have with.

Okay.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

So the property owner has been reached out to.

They are going to um secure the property, but it's about making sure that they continue to to maintain it and find a way to occupy it as well.

Understood.

Okay.

Now, uh, what what is the process for the public to have input into that?

The decision about whether it's demolished in the future.

Um that just need to make sure the property is taken care of.

If the property's taken care of, there's no reason to demolish it.

The only reason the city would demolish a property is if it's dangerous, if it's open, exposed to the elements, um, if it's been burnt, things like that.

But if the property owner utilizes the property and maintains it, there should be no reason for it to be demolished.

And is there a time frame on the withdrawal, or is it just withdrawn indefinitely until it went until the property owner either fixes it or the city decides it's there's nothing happening, they have to demolish.

Mr.

Patel, would you have any idea uh the plans of the property owner?

Uh, because currently it is vacant.

Do you know if they look to sell, utilize it?

Uh through Madam Chair, no, uh, we do not have that detail uh um on this, but uh uh yeah, withdraw if the condition again, you know, uh become worse and property get with an open two test or pile damaged.

Um it becomes the danger to the the public, the public, then we would come back to the table.

Yeah, so sir.

If you're interested in utilizing the property, um there is someone here from the historic designation board.

Um I suggest you meet, you find the owner, you connect with the owner, right?

We find some resources, we occupy the the building and we keep it safe.

Okay, great.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

All right, so thank you.

Uh to our next attendee, yes.

If you wouldn't mind coming up, taking the seats, and then letting us know your name and which property you are here to discuss.

And um, as we wait, is there a motion to concur to withdraw 7728 Kirchhoff?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw Kirchhoff from the demolition list.

Thank you.

Hello.

Yeah, my name is Christian Berman and uh I live at 5235 Florida Street.

Is that the property you're here to discuss?

Yeah, the 5235 and also uh the lot next to it.

I purchased them together, uh land contract from a fellow of my church.

Uh the address on the lot is 5225.

So and you're here to discuss 5235.

Actually, 5235.

Uh I don't know what happened to uh they actually entered both properties.

They damaged my shed on 5225.

It's a brand new shed.

I I paid 10,000 for it.

They tried to pick it up with the forklift.

Uh the city came there, cut my fence.

Now anybody can just walk onto my property.

They took the fence, they took the gate, they cut my trees.

I had 30 trees on my property.

Uh they they cut my rose bush, which was a uh vine grow rose bush, which grows over 18 feet long, and it was over covering the whole house, beautiful roses.

And in the winter it would look like it's dead.

Sure.

But then in the springtime it would come back to life.

It's just the way it was.

And um the cops have come to my house many times because neighbors were like, oh no, look, look, he's got weeds growing on the house.

And then come summertime, they were looking at it and they just couldn't couldn't believe it.

Just it just came back to life.

That's how rose bushes that are vines operate.

And when they came to my house, they cut all that, they damaged my house.

Now anybody can just walk all the way around my house.

Okay.

They took my barbecue girls, they took my kids' toys, my kids' bicycles, they cut the rail.

Uh he had some kind of machine equipment that he drives in, and uh he not only can he pick up uh bricks, but he can also grab and he grabbed my rail on my on my porch and yanked on it, yanked on it.

There was a cop there, and I told him he's doing demolition of my house with no demolition paperwork.

And he said, Relax, he knows what he's doing, and ripped my rail off my front, uh, took the rail from the back of my stairs.

Okay, sir.

So there sounds to be some major problems here.

Um, and I'm gonna take this in steps, because first let's discuss the dangerous buildings hearings that you're here for seconds.

Um I'm gonna ask Giselle for my team to come and talk to you about what you experienced.

Um, because that should not have happened.

We don't demolish properties that are occupied.

Uh so if your house was occupied or if you had a property that was occupied, that's a problem.

Um, and then it sounds like there was some damage done to your properties.

So let's have a conversation offline to figure that out.

Um, but at first, you are here to discuss which properties are you here to discuss for the dangerous buildings hearings.

What they this the letter that they sent me is for 5235 Florida Street.

Okay, so 5235 third Florida Street.

This is the seventh property under the 10th block.

This property has been withdrawn from demolition list.

Inspector, do you have anything to share regarding this property?

Um it has been withdrawn.

It sounds like it was occupied.

Why was it on the list in the first place?

Um we found the property was secure and the yard was fairly maintained, but still need some work also.

If the property is vacant, then they need to do the vacant property registration.

Uh um, yeah, that's what we came up with the return.

Okay.

Sir, 5235 Florida Street hasn't has it ever been uh um vacant?

That's my house.

I've been living there since 2006.

Nowhere else but that house with my wife and my kids, and my wife has divorced me.

But I won through the court in Monroe uh County.

Uh I have one uh access to the house.

But her name is still on the title.

I have to change her name off the title.

She purchased herself a new house, but I remained at the house.

That's my actual house.

So the house has never been vacant.

Never.

I told I told the judge I I don't want to sell the house because I like the house, I like the setting, I like where it's at.

Yeah, and I I I thought in court in Monroe, and I told him I said, I want to keep the house.

I'm not the one that ruined this marriage, I want to keep the house.

And uh she agreed to to let me have the house, not to sell it.

So, okay, this property is not going to be demolished.

It was not vacant, so that's an issue that we will talk about offline.

Are there any other properties that you're here to discuss, sir, for the dangerous buildings hearings?

They didn't send me nothing for 5225, but they have the city has entered 5225 and there was no papers.

They start they tried to remove my shed.

And that was on Florida as well.

Yes, it's next next to the house, and they picked it up and they damaged it.

Okay, so um 5235 has been withdrawn.

Is there a motion to concur?

Motion.

Thank you.

Hearing no objections, we agreed to withdraw 5235 Florida Streets.

Um, sir, Giselle is in the lobby here waiting to speak with you.

If you wouldn't mind letting her know what happened with 5235 Florida, and then the other property that you mentioned on Florida Street as well.

One of my biggest concerns, and and we've talked about this from the beginning, and which is why there's such pushback around a broken window or overgrowth.

I don't think that's a reason to demolish properties.

Um, and it does concern me.

And we often hear of neighbors that call on their neighbors.

Um there is a a property that is burnt out that is dangerous.

But if there are weeds over the winter that grow into roses in the spring, and um that is cause for concern for folks, and that leads the city to demolish or to enter property, that's a concern.

Um so, sir, thank you for coming down.

Um, I think at this moment uh you are clear your your property is not going to be demolished, it's going to be removed.

And we'll talk to you offline about all the other issues that are happening.

I do have to go online out to the other hearings.

Is there anything regarding the dangerous buildings hearings?

Because if not anything else, if he wouldn't mind speaking with Giselle about it.

So what happened?

The reason they put me on the list to demolish it is because one of my neighbors called, they sent a certified letter to my house.

I never signed for it.

Somebody else did, and then there was a court date based on that signature, and I didn't show up at court because I wasn't aware of it.

And I went to the post office to figure out who signed for it, and I need that number so that way they can pursue um uh uh that's felony, that's a fraud.

Please please do speak to Giselle about that.

I need that number from that letter.

That's I missed on that.

All right, sir.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming down.

We shall see how we can help you.

Um, thank you, Giselle.

Um moving us along.

There is nobody here in person.

Um that I can see for hearing.

So we're gonna do now is turn it to the folks that we have online.

Um, how many hands do we have raised and who do we have first?

Good afternoon, madam chair and honorable council members.

We have 11 hands raised online.

The first is Edric Jenkins, and then madam chair.

Do you like to hear the second person as well?

He said first is Edward.

Yes, ma'am.

And then next.

Next is caller ending in 072.

072.

Thank you, Stephanie.

So um, as we mentioned, we are now turning over to the folks that we have online and to the media departments.

There's a little bit of feedback from my mic, it's a little loud, if you wouldn't mind helping us if possible.

Thank you.

Um, we are gonna begin to call out the names perfect.

Um, that we have online.

We're going to begin first with Edward, and then I will ask uh the public to just pay attention.

Uh try to keep this efficient.

So I'm gonna ask that caller ending in 072 that you be ready because you're gonna follow Edward.

So we're gonna go to Edward next, followed by caller ending in 072.

But Edward, if you can hear us, you're being made a panelist.

You can just unmute yourself and then let us know which property you're calling us about and then Edward, if you can hear us.

I believe you've been made a panelist.

You just have to unmute yourself.

To the chair, he is um unmuted.

He just needs to Edward.

We see that you're unmuted.

We cannot hear you if you're speaking.

Hello, can you hear him now?

We can hear you now.

Yes.

Okay, the name is Edric Jenkins.

All right, Mr.

Jenkins, thank you.

Which property are you calling us about?

1922 harness triple twos.

1922 harness 1922 harness.

This is 1922.

Yeah, three tools.

Yes, Mr.

Jenkins.

This is the seventh property under the 11th block.

Uh uh, Mr.

Jenkins, this property we see here is on the demolition list.

We're going to Why is it on the demolition list?

That's a question that I'm gonna ask, if you wouldn't mind.

I'm gonna talk with our inspectors here, and then when I give you back the floor, um, I'll ask some questions of you.

But first, I'm gonna turn it over to B seed.

Um, please let us know why it is that this property is still on the demo list and um what needs to be addressed.

You don't even know.

The windows up you can hear you.

Yes, we can.

We can still hear you.

Your your mic is hot.

Uh, but we are now hearing from BC.

Mr.

Patel.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh, this property we had inspected on uh January 30th, 2026 for this year.

We pound two-story bricks, uh frame, one family dwelling.

We can open elements rear window, parsley barricaded, fire damage.

This property is part of the mess on the rear elevator, yard uh parliament, dwelling not maintained, uh busted window, open mortar joints and print port.

Uh left elevator on the front port.

Inoperate by the electric meter there.

Uh we recommend for demolished.

Okay.

Uh Mr.

Jenkins, uh, what are your plans for the property?

Do you um plan on renovating, moving in, selling, renting?

The house is not the house is occupied.

What they what they showing you right there is right at the fire.

The windows is not busted out.

There's only two windows in the house that's busted out.

What a fire occurred.

It's the back room.

The rest of those windows is up because we let the smoke trying to let the smoke to send out the house with the smoke.

And we go take pictures right now.

The house don't look nothing like the way he took them.

He said he took pictures in January, but these pictures were took in the summer.

It was snow on the ground in January.

Was no snow on the ground.

These pictures were took after the fire.

Okay, Mr.

Jenkins.

So are you saying that you address the openings and the issues with the fire already?

Yes, I'm that's what I'm doing right now.

You want to send somebody here out to look at it, you can.

Okay, so I'm just what I'm doing right now.

What we're gonna do is we can send this back to B seed and have them send another inspector.

So, Mr.

Jenkins, um, what we're gonna do, and this is for anyone that's tuning in.

Um, if you are addressing the issues that the city is identifying, um, then we are happy to send this back to BC, at least I am, um, to give you guys some more time to work on uh um on making those repairs.

And that's what I'm doing now, Yana.

And what we're gonna need you to do is to email the the departments.

So, what we're gonna do now is we're gonna share on screen the email address that everyone needs to have.

You might already have it.

Um, but what you're gonna do is if this body allows you more time to work on your property, we would send this property back to B seed, and you will need to take pictures of all four sides of your property and email them to this email right here.

And then B seed will send an inspector to look at the property again if they are satisfied, they will remove your property from the demolitions list, and you should not see yourself back here at this table.

Um, but Mr.

Jenkins, if you are addressing those problems, I I feel fine giving you more time to send the pictures to B seed.

Um, but are you able to to send those pictures over?

Yes, yes.

Okay, wonderful.

Colleagues, are there any questions?

Any more questions for Harned?

Or is there a motion?

Motion to return to B seed.

There's been a motion to return to BC.

Hearing no other discussions or objections.

We will send one nine two to Harned back to B seen and Mr.

Jenkins again.

Were you able to jot down the email address that was on the screen?

Yes.

Yes, tell me to spill wrong.

And you spelled the street wrong.

It's um 1922 harn it.

H A R N E D.

Okay.

Thank you.

So with that, please do send over those pictures uh to the email address, and then you should hear back from from B seed on next steps, okay?

Yes, uh, can I can I say one thing?

Okay when they took those pictures, that was right after the fire.

One room caught parsley on fire, and that's why the windows were up like that.

We left them up to get the smoke out.

So, yeah, and they said they took pictures in January.

If they took pictures in January, we had snow on the ground in January, right?

Yes, sir.

Thank you.

No, I hear you.

I have I I see it too.

Thank you, sir.

No, I appreciate you.

Thank you.

So with that, uh, have a blessed day, sir.

We do have somebody here in person.

Um, ma'am, are you here for a hearing?

Yes, sir.

Pull right ahead if you want to join us here.

Um, that is the the benefit of being here in person.

I know you have to pay for parking, so I'm gonna get you in and out first.

Um, so to call her ending in zero seven two, you will be next.

Um, but we do have someone here in person now, and if you know about downtown parking, you know, parking is expensive and hard to get.

So I will try to get folks out as quickly as possible.

Ma'am, what is your name?

Portland Hewling.

And then which property are you here to discuss?

Uh, number five, 8138 East Grickstale, Detroit 48234.

Stale.

Greg's Dale.

Grixdale, G R I X as an X-ray D A L E.

Second page number five.

Thank you.

So 8138, East Grixdale.

This, ma'am, is on the demolition list.

So we're gonna hear from B-Seed as to why.

Uh, Mr.

Patel, when you and the team are ready, let us know what needs to be addressed.

Ma'am, while they pull up that information, um, are you looking to keep or demolish your property?

No, I'm not.

I'm looking for my property.

Okay, so it's currently occupied.

Yes, it is.

Okay, this is now the third property in front of us that is occupied.

I have a lot of concerns about how we're moving and why it is that this is happening.

Um I know that we are dwindling down on our demolitions as a city.

I do not want us to just be looking at properties who might look like something is wrong, just for us to have something to demolish.

That is what it's feeling like right now.

We shall see.

We shall see.

But this is incredibly concerning.

This has always been a concern of mine since four years ago.

We are going through demolitions very quickly now.

And if we're coming down to the line, I don't see any reason why we need to come up with more work if we don't need to.

Mr.

Patel.

Wow.

Madam Chair, uh, we had inspected this one on January 30th, 2026.

We found the two-story plane, one family dwelling, we can open at the side barn wall.

Open hole in the side wall, open barn roof, parameters.

Open said, and that's what we are here of this committee.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

Ma'am, you mentioned that you're currently staying in this property.

Okay, so the house was on that side of the house, it was burnt.

So all that is Eslie.

This um I got three stages.

Okay.

So the first stage is where the house first got burned up.

Then on sometime in April, sometime in April, they called me and I sent these pictures in.

The same ones.

And then sometime in December, which I never got the information, because I was in Florida and my daughter's competition with the same one.

Um they said they came out again in December.

But this side of the house right here, ain't nothing I can do with this side house because that's all boarded up.

Ain't nothing I can do with that.

The what they what the TB, I work with TBS servicing, they are remodeling this side of the house.

And they say it's nothing but pulling it off.

It's the wood, then pull it off and then put it back on.

It goes going to the next picture.

Because this makes it because it's your honor, there's not a window open.

There was one window open in the back, and I keep boarding it up, and that's why I had to move back into a house that was not already finished, because they kept coming in because my stuff is in the house.

So they climbed in the window, broke the window, climb in the window, and so my stuff out the front door.

And so I had to move back in my house and just stay there so I can have my stuff.

That's how I know that there's no one that's open because it's already a roof that got a hole in it.

They got a tarp on it.

They look at your other pictures.

And um that's still the front.

So you're staying in the property given the the break-ins.

And you are working to address the issues and phases.

Yeah, uh, yeah, because the issue, the issue is on the inside of the house, so you can't see it.

The only thing on the outside of the house, that's the other side, but in the back of the house, there's windows at the top.

Okay.

And they've never been broken.

So in the fire department tell you that they've never been broken, and they brought it up, and it looked like there's uh it's a that's the other side of the house.

And that's the front of the house.

And I got pictures too.

I saw some to Mr.

McMisser McQueel, Lucas McKeel.

I sent some to him today early today.

Okay.

And he got the ones from previously.

And you may see that when they first sent it to me back in April, I guess it wasn't good enough.

So it was all green, because up under the wood, abundant up on this aluminum, up under the aluminum, it's green.

And that above in the green, it's black and brown.

So I took off, so it wasn't good enough, so I had to take off the green, which was a total mistake because now it cost me a thousand dollars just to get the green put back on here so I can get the aluminum put back on there.

All right, ma'am.

So it does seem like you are in the thick of it of trying to make these repairs and and staying on top of the home.

Um, and if you're there now, we we can't move forward with demolition on the property that's occupied.

That's one.

Um, and then if you sent over pictures and you're working with BC to address the issues, um, then I'm okay with giving you more time.

Mr.

Patel, it seems like you are working with the property owner on this on this uh on this house.

Yes, uh madam chair.

Yeah, we would like to sit up uh the repair permits uh since property owner has the contract uh make that then yes, we would like to see the repair permit within the next 30 days.

Ma'am, if we send this back to B seed, are you able to continue to work with them?

They are going to um uh allow for more time, but they are looking for permits.

Are you able to pull permits for for the repairs?

I don't I don't know what a permit is.

All I know is that I'm staying in my house, and you mean the person that is doing the house, what he's gonna do, I can give the I can give the agreement.

So maybe cut because uh so ma'am, I don't know.

I don't know what kind of permits you need.

Okay, so why?

Because like I said, everything's on the inside.

Now he's gonna go in and he's gonna call the city.

He said that he said he's gonna call the city, and he's gonna do what is necessary because I gotta get uh the roof.

That's my thing.

I gotta get the roof repaired.

When you say roof, you mean the contractor you're working with?

Yeah.

So they will they will just need to pull the permits and they should know how to do that.

Okay.

So if you have someone that you're working with, if you're able to continue to work with B seed, send over those pictures again of the property that you're working on.

Um, then we can send this back to BC to get you some more.

You said that you took pictures of all four sides of your property.

Uh-huh.

I sent it this morning.

Do I see it?

I don't know.

I'm just seeing this.

We're gonna ma'am.

One second.

I'm so sorry.

I need to wrap this up because we have people on online.

We're gonna share the the uh uh image with the email again.

And what we're gonna need you to do is once you've you said that you already addressed a lot of the issues that they mentioned.

So you need to take pictures of all four sides of the property, like you did already and send them to this email.

I done it this morning.

Okay, then we're gonna go ahead and send this back to BC and allow you to keep working with them to make sure that you are addressing any of the issues that they have.

I mean, can you tell BC to quit coming to my house?

Like this try this will change.

I live this a vacant house, and you know, across the street from me.

Come on out, and it'd be a vacant for six years.

Work with them.

I ain't been at my house in but a year and a half, and I'm trying to get back in my house, and I didn't call them, and a lady that live around the corner that want my property, who keep calling you guys.

Y'all just keep letting her do it.

Yeah, you know, and and it's make no sense to me because if you look at the front of my house, there's nothing wrong with it.

Look on this side and has nothing wrong with it.

It's not to come out in this way, you see that it's black on this side, but it's not burnt.

It just hole in my house.

Okay.

So stop coming to my house.

What I gotta do, get a dog and did the let it out.

Come on, I shouldn't be down here.

I shouldn't be down here.

I'm living in my house.

Same thing.

They sit there and then uh uh the mail can mayor people.

I went to the mail part.

I said, why not get mail?

They say, oh, they sell the paper scan you're gonna live here.

Who in the hell says, excuse me, ma'am?

Who signed a paper saying I don't live here?

So I need to move us along, ma'am.

I I I do think it's important that we hear experiences of people because you're not the only person who's gonna be able to do it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you can't be cut up.

I uh I come on.

I don't got no money for this.

I don't I it's a lot of time.

It's a lot of people.

And I I know it gotta be done.

I know it's better houses, and I know you gotta get finished, but I gotta get this off me because if I don't, I'm gonna explode.

So please stop coming to my house.

If you're not gonna help me, leave me alone.

Tell me how I can get some more money to get my house fixed.

B E C D D E M O.

Don't you do?

Show me how I can get some more money to get my house done.

Yeah, ma'am.

No, I hear you.

Give me some emails telling me who will help me.

Help me, help me.

I'm gonna ask that we move now, ma'am.

I hear you.

But okay, but I appreciate you, ma'am.

You're not wrong, ma'am.

I I think you can't.

Yeah, but I'm gonna serious about that one.

We're gonna go ahead and send somebody to me.

My email, P-O-R-T.

H-U-L-I-N-G at gmail.com.

Help me, email me.

Tell me how you can help me.

Thank you, ma'am.

Please, yes.

Any support that is offered if we can share it with our residents because we have a lot of people that are in need, um, especially for home repairs.

Don't no worry, ma'am.

Uh, please have a good rest of your day.

And is there a motion to send 8138 East Grickdale back to B seed?

Motion.

Thank you.

Hearing no objections, that property will be sent back to B seed uh to our callers.

We are going to turn over back to you.

We will hear uh now from caller ending in 072, followed by followed by Zaneda Flores.

Followed by Zaneda.

Uh you are on deck, but we were now here from caller ending in 072.

Can you hear us?

Caller ending in 072.

You will be made a panelist.

You just have to unmute yourself for us to be able to hear you.

Yes, can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Which property are you calling us about?

Uh 377 Grand Street, Detroit.

37 and Detroit.

Oh, this is the ninth property under the 10th block, 377 West Grands.

Uh this has been withdrawn.

So it is no longer uh in the dangerous buildings list for demolition.

Uh BC, any notes for this property?

Um Madam.

Please say once uh once uh one respond.

Uh the we did inspect that property, and I think we need uh well we can property registration on this.

Okay.

That's only North IPO.

Okay, so to our caller.

Um it's just suggested if the property will be vacant that you register as vacants, but other than that, uh thank you for addressing any of the issues to the property.

It is uh going to be withdrawn from the demo list.

Do you have any questions for us?

Uh yes, Madam Chair.

I I I heard you mention that you uh had concerns about this being a little bit of aggressive process with people who live in the city.

I've been living here all my life.

And I know a lot of people are struggling with their properties, but they mean good.

And I've live I live in a neighborhood with a lot of people that just don't have the resources right now, but they they they keep their property up, they they cut the grass, and you know, they do the best they can to hold on to something that they believe in.

One day they'll be able to put it back the way it was.

And I think that it sounds very aggressive the way the city may be taking a stance on some of these people that need help.

And I think if they could put more programs out here to help people with roof repairs and things of that sort, we would have a better city.

Uh and people would be so afraid that this has got to.

I mean, I'm I'm thankful that mine has been removed, but I know a lot of people are really probably afraid right now because of the threats that they're getting from a house being demoed that they want to live in with their family or whatever they want to do with that.

That's an asset to them.

So I agree with you in your stance that you mentioned that you're very concerned about that, and I hope that you look into that a little bit further because as the city comes down with the demo process, I think they need to look at that very carefully that you don't just look for work to do at the expense of people that's really trying hard to hold on to their properties.

Thank you, sir.

I appreciate that.

And duly noted, um, I agree.

Uh thank you for the work that you did to your property.

Um, and for your concerns.

Wondering if there are any comments or concerns for 377 with grand.

If not, if there's a motion to withdraw.

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we will withdraw 377 West Grand from the milition list.

Thank you, sir, for calling in.

Uh Madam Chair, I want to ask one more question.

Would I receive anything in writing?

So I would so that would be confirmed.

Yes, you should be receiving something from the clerk's office um after this, letting you know that it's been withdrawn.

Okay, madam chair.

Uh uh, thank you so much.

No problem.

Thank you.

Have a blessed day, sir.

We will now hear from Zanita.

Zaneda, followed by followed by neighborhood safety alliance.

Followed by neighborhood safety alliance.

But first, Zanita, can you hear us?

Yes, I can hear you.

Uh, which property are you calling us about?

I'm calling about 1991 Derby.

This is the first property under the 10th block.

This is being ordered demolished.

We're gonna turn it over to the inspector to let us know why that is the case.

But while we wait for them to share with us um why they're gonna order this demolished, do you plan on keeping the property or demoing?

Um, I'm not the owner.

I'm actually um a member of Keep It Clean Black Club, so I was here to represent the concerns of the residents.

Okay, so for hearings that we're having today, we are only able to discuss um the details with the property owner.

Um, and since you called um asking the status, it is being ordered demolished, but that's really all I can share with you at the moment.

Um, would you happen to know is it's the desire for the community to keep or demolish this property?

Um well, it is a nuisance property.

Um so there's been documented electrical theft and water theft at this property, um, by observations made by residents.

Um no one is living there, and right now there's ice covering the exterior basement windows.

So um that leads us to believe that the pipes are possibly you know frozen and have busted.

So that's a concern.

Um the front porch windows are broken, the upstairs window was left open.

Um really the owner of that um house, they haven't been maintaining it.

Um the neighbors, you know, have stepped up and shoveling the snow, um, cutting the grass since last year.

Um there's even material that was left in the backyard from the previous tenants.

So um, you know, right now it's unsafe, it's neglected, and it's been a burden to the residents here to maintain it due to the negligence of the owner.

So that was the concerns that I was um bringing to you all to know of.

Okay, thank you.

I do appreciate that.

Um, and uh if the owner comes forward today, either in person or via phone, we'll talk to them.

Um, but to your points, if they're not here and it sounds like they are neglecting the property.

Um, I think you made a good case for office supports demolition.

Um as I want to keep properties from being demolished, I only want to do so if we're gonna maintain them, um, not if they're going to be abandoned and become a nuisance.

Um, so thank you for letting us know.

Um, what I'm gonna do is move us along though, just in case the owner does call in.

Um, but I do appreciate you letting us know, okay.

Okay, thank you.

I will now turn it over.

We have someone here in person.

Are you here for okay?

Um here just to to see.

Um welcome.

Uh we will now turn it over to neighborhood safety alliance, followed by followed by Cindy Dara.

Cindy, whenever you're ready, let us know which property you're calling us about.

But first, we're gonna hear from Neighborhood Safety Alliance.

Which property are you calling us about?

Yes, good afternoon, Madam Chair.

I won't waste your time.

I know you all have a large deck.

Um actually calling Garden 1991 Derby.

Um, and as Ms.

Flores pointed out, it's a a nuisance.

I also like to just point out some things that she um may have missed out on.

Um the garage has fire damage and is open to trespass.

The wooden privacy fence also has fire damage, and it's been like this for a number of years.

Uh, there's also a motor to a vehicle in the backyard.

So our concern with the garage is that it's straight dogs are neighborhood experiences, and they get this gives them an opportunity to uh nest there, lay there, um, or just hide in lieu of their next prey.

So um that's a safety concern, uh, as well as this property was open at one time.

We had to contact our neighborhood police officer Powell of the 12th precinct, which we appreciate graciously to uh to come and do a welfare check.

This is uh, you know, we identify as um neglect neglect and as a as well as a misuse of our emergency services.

So uh as the as a member of the safety alliance committee, we're dedicated to making sure that we work hand in hand with the city as well as with law enforcement, and we don't want to see our services uh misused in this way.

So this property is definitely in favor uh the community to see demolished.

And uh thank you again for your time.

Thank you for calling in.

Appreciate those insights, LPD.

Thank you, madam chair.

I just wanted to point out not to be critical of anybody, but just you have said several times that we can't speak with anybody other than the owner.

That's because the non-owners don't have standing for these heroes, these these hearings.

They have very narrow scope.

And what people can be assured is that the fact that the building is on the list and we're having this hearing means that that side of the argument has been heard.

That's why it's here.

Yeah.

Just so people understand that it's a legalistic thing about standing.

We can look you can listen if you like if you like, but it's kind of impertinent at this point.

Irrelevant at this point, just because that's why it's here.

I hope that helped that help.

Thank you, LPD.

Um, and thank you to the NSA.

Um, but as has been mentioned, we're discussing these with property owners, so we will now move us along.

Um we are gonna hear from Cindy Dara next, but followed by followed by Cassandra Webster.

Cindy which property are you here to discuss?

Please let us know which property you're here to discuss.

Well, I'd like to discuss my property 492 Peter Burrow.

When uh several months ago, the health department posted a notice on my door that that I should board this up.

So we're gonna pause again two days and then we're gonna uh send Cindy to our office.

So Cindy, um unfortunately I do not believe your property is on the dangerous buildings list.

It's not.

I do not see Peter Burrow um on our list for today.

Um Cindy, please do reach out to our office.

You know how to contact us, 313-224-2450, um, for us to work with you.

Um, and see how we can help.

Um, and yeah, continue that conversation offline.

Unfortunately, uh, we can't have it right now.

We have folks that are listening in for the dangerous buildings hearings.

Um, but thanks for calling in Cindy, and my office will expect your call.

We will hear next from Cassandra, followed by followed by Geordie R.

Followed by Geordie.

Cassandra, you're next.

Can you hear us?

Yes, I can.

Which property are you calling us about?

Good afternoon.

Uh the uh address one for two four seven Marlowe.

Parcel 22041340.

This is one for two four Zeven Marlowe.

Yes.

This is the third property under the 13th block.

This has been withdrawn, ma'am.

So you have addressed any of the concerns.

Um, and this property is no longer being deemed dangerous.

To BC, are there any notes that you want to share with us regarding this property?

I have another comment when you're finished.

Okay, one second, ma'am.

Yes, BC.

Uh thank you, madam Chad.

Uh only comment that we have they have we did uh see that they have the new roof and windows.

Uh we would like to see the permit for those working done.

Okay, so the only note from BC is just pulling permits, ma'am, from the work that's being um that's being done on the property, but you had another comment.

What was his statement?

I was it was not clear.

He did not see the new roof and windows.

Is that what he's saying?

Oh no, he saw them.

He just does not see a permit that was pulled for them.

Was there a permit full pulled for those?

Yes.

If there was, he wants to see the permits if you wouldn't mind sharing that with them.

Okay.

Um, and the what I want to comment is I received a bill for 167 saying that uh there were no windows.

Um a dangerous building complaint.

And we've been working on this property uh since June.

So you sent me one for three fees, one as late as 121 26 of this year for 167.

501 dollars.

Now we're working on the property, and then you're giving sending me another bill for fees.

So, ma'am, I'm not doing that, and if you would like for us to help figure that out with you, um, would be more happy to, but Mr.

Patel, do you have any idea what these fees are that she's talking about?

Um Madam Ted, uh yeah, we do have the fees when uh we hold the hearings and uh that's our processing fees, uh please and hearing fees.

So that would be yeah, is in in debt property case.

So those are ma'am, one second, I'm trying to understand this with you.

Uh so Mr.

Patel, you're saying that those fees are all a part of the dangerous buildings process.

Uh um through um Madam Chair, yes.

Okay, so ma'am, what we're gonna do is if you wouldn't mind, um I'm very interested in figuring this out because yes, I have heard that um the public needs to pay.

I believe they pay for the inspections too, Mr.

Patel.

Yeah, that's part of the that fees the inspection.

Okay.

So um, ma'am, to your point, these are all fees that are that are being given by B seed um through this dangerous buildings process.

Uh so those are the fees and the bills that you're seeing.

Um, but to your point, if you were already working on the problem that that they are addressing, um, I do find that to be problematic as well.

Um, what I find even more problematic is when we reach out and we try to get them forgiven and they're not.

Um, and I still haven't been able to figure that one out.

Um, because in your case, it feels unfair if you're already addressing the problem.

And unfortunately, you're not the only one that receives ticket after ticket after ticket as you're addressing the problem, and that is my problem too.

Um, and that is that that sounds like what's happening with you.

So, ma'am, if you wouldn't mind, can I share my office information?

And would like for you to speak with Giselle, just for you to share with us your um series of events um for our information for us to get a better understanding.

Um, and I think unfortunately you might have to pay those fees.

Um, if you would like to fight them, happy to uh help you do that with your council member.

You are in district one.

Um, so council president teets, I think would also be very interested in hearing about this.

Um, but where we are today, your property has been removed from dangerous buildings list.

Um, thank you for addressing the issues.

But if you would like to talk to us about the fees, do you mind giving us a call for us to figure that out offline?

Yes, can I have the number please?

Yes, whenever you're ready.

I'm ready.

It's 313 224 2450.

You're going to ask for Giselle.

G-I-S-E-L.

Okay.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate this.

Of course.

Is there a motion to withdraw Marlowe?

So move.

There has been a motion to withdraw 14247 Merlot from the dangerous buildings list.

Hearing no objections, we will do so.

Um, ma'am, I look forward to hearing from you.

And thank you again.

Thank you so much.

Have a great day.

You as well.

We will now hear from Jordy, followed by Devin Sykes.

Devin.

Jordi, you are up next, followed by Devin.

Jordy, can you hear us?

Yes.

Which property are you calling us about?

Uh 5126 31st.

5126 31st Streets.

This is the first property on our list.

This is being ordered demolished.

Jordi, we're gonna turn it over to BC to let us know why.

While they pull up that information, are you looking to keep or demolish your property?

I'm looking to keep.

I'm actually work, I'm actually uh working on it just that it's been super cold and uh can't send my guys plus and everything with the immigration going on.

My guys scared to work right now.

So yeah, I understand completely.

Um so Jordi, while they pull up the information, um if we were to give you some more time, could you take pictures of the property as you're working on it and email those to BC to let us know that you are addressing the the concerns?

Yes.

Can I uh get the email?

Yes, you can.

If you're looking at the screen in one second, oh you are working on that property.

Um we are gonna share this.

Uh if you see the screen here, if you take a screenshot or write it down, let us know once you have it.

All right, I got it.

You got it.

Um, I'm gonna turn it over to BC, Mr.

Patel to share with us um what they would like to see, but from what I can see, uh you're doing what you can in the winter.

Mr.

Patel.

Um, Madam Chair, yes, we did witness the work being done on this property, but the same token we had not seen the permit uh been pulled uh for this all work.

This is major work going on, the permit need to be established.

Okay, Jordi, as you do the work, are you able to pull permits for for the work being done?

Um uh yeah, I had a contract reporting the permits for me and everything.

Okay.

So please um the email address that we shared with you as you're doing the work and as you're taking the pictures of all four sides.

Also, please do email um them the permits that you're pulling as well.

Um, for them to see that, okay?

Okay, yeah, and another because you see the the house on next door.

Um, you know, I'm I keep getting complaints on my building on my property, but the house next door is falling apart.

His roof is you know, his roof is going in and stuff like that.

I keep trying, you know.

And I'm the one that was keeps getting like letters and stuff like that.

But that guy's house is falling is dangerous, and you know, you know, they don't uh the city doesn't tell him anything.

Heard Mr.

Patel, would you happen to have the property next to 5126 on your radar?

Madam Chair, yeah, we will check on this uh um house next door.

But same token that I think we we like to see the permit within 30 days on this property as well.

The yard has some debris that need to be uh clear out.

Okay, Mr.

Patel, are we demolishing properties for them not pulling permits?

We want to we want to make sure that they you know the work, whatever work being done is legally done.

Uh this one was uh the way damaged property, and it's good that you know somebody fixing it.

We are supporting that, but same token we we would like to have the permit.

Yeah, no, and I completely understand, and I want the work that we do to be safe and secure and legal.

My concern just sitting here hearing the experiences from residents and knowing how much we are also struggling with resources.

I just think we need to have a conversation around this very thing because people are still putting money into their properties to fix the property.

So money is still being spent.

Time is still being spent.

Um, so I I think we need to have this discussion around um how we do this.

Um I don't know if it's if it makes any sense to do what we're doing now, which is essentially threatening with demolition if you don't pull a permit, or unless we see a permit.

And I don't know if that makes I want to think through that.

Um, and and and how we decided to to do this.

But um, Jordi, for you, um, we can send this back to BC that there's a motion to do so.

Motion hearing no objections, we will send we will send 512630 first suite back to B seed.

Jordi, that means that you have more time to keep working on your property, and you have to send pictures of all four sides and those permits.

Email them to B seed, okay?

Okay, yeah, appreciate it.

And then another question.

I got another issue with uh a property I purchased uh I purchased it, and I rehab the completely and everything, and now land bank is trying to take the property away from me when I already that when I got that property, that property was this basically destroyed, and I brought it back up to code and everything, and now Lambing wants to take my property away, and I got a lot of money invested in that property.

We can help you with that too, Jordy.

Are you able to drop down um my phone number?

Uh yes.

Whenever you're ready.

I'm ready.

It's 313242450.

So 313 224, 2450.

Yes, please call.

If uh we don't pick up, leave your name, number, a brief description, but we should be able to get back to you.

We work very closely with uh the land bank, and we should be able to help you.

Okay, yep.

I appreciate it then.

Thank you.

No problem.

Thank you.

Okay, so that helps us address the 31st Street uh property moving us along to Devon.

If you can hear us, you're up next.

Followed by followed by Argene or Arjun Miracle.

Followed by Argene or Agen, you are going to be next.

You're on deck.

Devin, can you hear us?

Yes, good afternoon.

Good afternoon.

Which property are you here to discuss?

Uh 10150 MAC Avenue.

10150 Mac Avenue.

This is the first property under the 13th block.

This is being withdrawn.

Uh, so the issues that were brought up by B seed have been addressed.

BC, unless you have any other notes for us.

Again, this is for 10 150 Mac.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Yes, we did found the property we can secure, but also yard need to be maintained.

And also apply for the Vic and property registration.

We are looking for.

And we would like to have this in uh within 30 days.

Okay.

So is this property, Devin?

Are you planning to keep this property vacant?

Um no, I don't want to keep it vacant.

I'm trying to open a business actually.

It just needs extensive work.

Got it.

While it stays vacant, BC does recommend that you wrap that you register it as a vacant property.

Um that that way they know that it's not abandoned.

It's it's currently vacant, but it is being worked on.

And then um just a continuation of maintaining any of the overgrowth around the property.

Um, but other than that, thank you for addressing any of the current issues.

Do you have any questions for us?

Um the only I guess the only question is I have registered it as a vacant building uh every year since I purchased it in 2023.

So I I guess it no, I guess it shouldn't be an issue.

I assume uh there from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong, you do that on the BCD um uh what is that the city of Detroit building through your website there?

Yes, um, it's typically free, and then normally there's an inspection, and then normally I get an inspection fee a few months later.

Is that correct?

That sounds about right, yes.

Okay, so I guess we've been doing it right.

All right, thank you.

Okay, well, thank you.

Is there a motion to withdraw 10150 Mac?

Motion to withdraw.

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw this from a dangerous buildings list.

Thank you, Devin.

Have a blessed day.

I thank you too.

We will now hear from Airgun.

Erjon, please pronounce uh your name correctly for me, followed by Hugo Hernandez.

Followed by Hugo.

Argine Argon, please pronounce it correctly.

Uh please correct me.

Good afternoon.

It's Argene.

Argin, good afternoon.

Which property are you calling us about?

I'm calling about 13142 Myers Road.

Myers Road.

13142 Myers.

This is the sixth property under the 13th block.

It is being ordered demolished.

Arjuna, are you looking to keep or demolish?

Um it's actually as of last week under purchase agreement, and the buyer is aware of the dangerous building status and intends to address the structure after closing.

I know when the representative came out um in the photos that he took.

Um there is a window that was broken into.

Unfortunately, I had it broken into um this past year, but it has since been boarded up.

Okay, and it's under purchase agreements.

Uh yes.

That's great.

That means that there should be someone addressing the issues as you mentioned moving forward.

Um BC, I'm assuming you're okay with us sending this back to you to allow for that purchase to go through, or is there anything else that you would need from us, Mr.

Patel?

If we send this back to you to allow for that to go through, can you give them more time?

And this is for Myers, Mayors.

13142.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh, this property we had uh this property was open to trespass and element at the front door and upper side windows.

Um the front roop software also was open.

We would like to have this property secure.

Uh soon, actually.

Uh if they want to make the sale, then the buyer can uh work with BC and complete the repair sort.

Okay.

And um our he mentioned that that will happen.

Um, so I think we're set here to send this back.

Are there any other questions from colleagues?

Uh just uh thank you, Madam Chair.

It just a question on although it is a purchase agreement.

Yeah, do if the owner has a timeline of making sure it's secure the document done as soon as possible.

That's for you.

Not properly, but the purchase agreement is for 30 days.

Can you repeat that will you cut out at first?

Yeah, um, since it's that happened, it has been boarded up on those open windows that were shown in the photos.

But it is under purchase agreement for 30 days.

All right, thank you.

And until closing.

Okay, thank you.

Since you have already boarded up, would you mind sending those pictures over to BC just to give them another point of um uh you know that that this is that this is being addressed?

Yeah, absolutely.

Okay, we'll put the email address on the screen again.

Um please do take a screenshot, drop this down, and then if you already boarded up uh the openings, send that picture over, and then um that should allow for time for the purchase agreements and continued work on the property.

Um, but if there's no other questions from my colleagues, is there a motion to send one three one four-two mayors back to B seed?

So move hearing no objections, this property will be sent back to B seed, and then Steph, do you mind sharing the BCD mail one more time?

Whoever can share that with us.

Oh, madam clerk.

Sorry, if you would have Simone, if you wouldn't mind sharing the the BC email for us, just for folks to see.

Okay, thank you.

Now I know it was shared one last time.

Um do we have any other questions for us uh regarding this property?

Arjun, it sounds like no.

Sounds like we're good.

Okay, now we're also perfect.

Thank you.

And we have sent this back to BC.

We will now hear from Ugo followed by followed by Jim Wellington.

Followed by Jim.

We'll go you're next.

Can you hear us?

Yes, madam chair.

Uh, which property are you calling us about?

This is 1441 Livernoy.

1449 Livernoy.

This is the ninth property under the 12th block.

This is being ordered, demolished.

Uh, are you planning to keep or demolish the property?

Uh well, keep the property, and we are still you know a little bit unclear on how we we are ended up in this predicament.

Uh considering um well well, first of all, we we've complied with the B seed, everything's boarded up at this moment.

Um now that being said, the property has always been fenced, uh front and back, so we're just kind of confused on why, and such an aggressive uh I mean demolition for just uh open windows, if I'm not mistaken.

That was what we were flagged for.

Okay, we'll we'll turn that over to the inspector to share with us what the concerns are uh for the property and why it's being ordered demolished.

Um from what I can see here, um that's what that's the wrong uh property.

So B seen this is I have these same pictures for 1441 Livernoy.

Oh, you're saying this is not your property?

Correct.

So then we need to look at something because this is the information that I have in front of me as well.

Um forty-four one livernoy, and Livernoy is a major street, which is I'm trying to think of why this would be this doesn't look like a Livernoy block.

And if I'm not mistaken, that might be across the street from us.

Okay, that might be across the street from you.

Okay.

Um Mr.

Patel.

Um it looks like maybe a notice was sent wrong.

So Ugo you are the owner, the property owner of 1441 Livernoy, correct?

I'm I'm my father's the owner, which he is right next to me, by the way.

Okay, um, go ahead.

No, you're good.

Uh, because as you can see, there is something wrong here.

Um so you and your family are the owners of 140 1441441 Livernoi.

And the image that we have in front of us is not that property, not at all.

So and you're telling us your property 1441 Livernoy should not be in the dangerous buildings pipeline at all in general, correct?

Exactly.

Now there at one point the the just the windows, but the the property ever since we bought it in the middle of last year, it always has been fenced.

No, no, no danger, no nothing.

And at one point, the windows were open, but that's because we were moving trash and debris from out of the inside from when we bought it.

Okay.

But besides that, I'm I don't really see the reason why we were flagged.

Uh the backyard and front yard how they have all the uh maintained, and uh but that's uh okay.

Thank you.

Yes, I was wondering about it.

You see the dump the the uh trailer right there full of trash from us cleaning the backyard.

Um but it's always been maintained, we're just as confused as why we're here in the first place.

Yeah, um, and also these pictures, as was mentioned by another another resident.

This looks like it's from the and that was fixed.

That's been fixed.

Okay, yeah.

Mr.

Patel, you're sharing these images.

It does seem like this is the right property.

Why is this property being ordered demolished?

Um, Madam Chair, you can see from this uh portos that the property was the um upstair windows are all uh missing there.

Um yeah, and that's what uh we heard in the dangerous building process this one.

What was the date of the last inspection for this property?

I think that's what the uh the post uh portals.

I think it was the mix-up of the mix up of the inspection looks like uh madam.

Um so then I don't know if we should be discussing this at the moment.

Um because we're looking at different properties, and the date from 1441 Livernoy seems older, and it sounds like Ugo already addressed the issue.

So we're gonna send Livernoy back to you, 1441 Livernoy back to you, and we're gonna figure this out on the back end.

So, Ugo, were you able to jot down the BCD mail multiple times, I'm sure, maybe.

Uh yes, well, I've been in contact with them, so yes.

Okay, so you have it.

We're sending one four four one livernoy back to BC.

And then I think Ugo what what BC needs to do is is figure out our own inspections.

We'll we'll make we'll figure that out.

Um, it sounds like this is something on on our end.

Um, but if you don't mind sending over those images to your property as it is now, um, allowing BC to look into their yes?

Sorry to cut you off.

Uh well, I've been speaking with an inspector from B seed, and just recently I've they've been asking me to board up that's been done.

We boarded up the windows and that spot on the roof you you've seen on on the image.

And one of the things also they're asking me for all the exposed wood, meaning the ones that were boarded up, the windows, to be painted.

And I and I'm just I find it kind of insane as to why would that even matter in the first place.

Yeah, and why why did we even get flagged in the first place?

Since that was only for you could say almost a week, and rightfully so, because we just purchased a property, and obviously we have to clear all the debris and and and stuff from the from the previous owner that was being neglected, and then all of a sudden we have to register the property as vacant, and we felt like we have no way out but to register the property as vacant and pay for the inspection that we didn't ask for that wasn't needed, by the way.

And um ever since we've owned the house, if it's always been well kept, always fenced in.

Um there was there's literally no reason why we were even in this list.

And sorry, I must express my frustration and relate to the rest of the people as to why it's why such an aggressive thing in the first place to the place to be demolished.

Wait, everything was okay to begin with.

We don't we didn't you know ask for any of this.

Yeah, I hear you, Ugo.

I am going to request a meeting with the mayor.

Um I have had these concerns from last term, and we have a new mayor now.

Um so would like to discuss with her the concerns that I'm hearing and really what it sounds like the resources that are needed for residents and and a process.

Um check internally for us.

Um so I hear you, Ugo, you're right.

I appreciate it.

Let me um continue to figure out what's going on.

Um, meet with the mayor to share concerns and see what we can do.

Um, but I I want to make sure that we're helping residents um that we're not causing um them more stress.

Um but for now, what we'll do is we've sent Slivernoi back to B seed.

Um for anyone that's listening in and wouldn't mind giving our our our office a call um and sharing any other frustrations or concerns, please do so.

Um even if you're not able to speak with me personally, anyone on my team will let me know and report back to me what's going on.

You can also email our um oh, but this is the B seed email.

But but for us, please do give us a call if you want to share your experience.

You can call us at 31324 2450 again, 31324-2450.

Um, just for us to figure out how we can support you.

Um moving forward, yes.

Sorry, so can you point me in the right direction?

Like, why am I gonna contact them?

What can I say for uh how can I get out of this really?

I I can't, and that's the problem, sir.

Um, and and that's what I'm trying to figure out.

Um, because again, uh at some point.

I mean, you gave me the email, but it's just like I'm I'm against the wall here.

And like what am I gonna do with the email and tell them, hey guys, you guys got confused.

So what do we do now?

Yeah.

I I think what we do now is is we have to evaluate, um, evaluate our own processes and and and really see that find ways to help you and not make things harder.

So unfortunately, I don't know the answer right now at this moment.

Um, and and what I'm saying is that it is a problem that we need to address.

And I think we need to make changes to the process, and the changes to the process need to be approved by uh the administration.

So let us work on that.

Um at the moment, though, for for you personally, it sounds like it was uh an internal problem.

And if you continue to maintain your property, you should be okay.

Um the other issue though is what we're talking about right now.

Um is people feeling like like the city's being aggressive, and I agree.

And that's what we got to figure out.

Um, and that I can't figure that out right now, unfortunately.

Um so sorry, Ugo, but that's all I have for you at the moment.

Is there anything else that I can answer for you?

No, I just wanted to put that out there.

I mean, just including, I mean, exposed wood must be painted.

What world does that?

Why does that matter even?

But um, thank you so much.

I really hope you can help and uh really uh um help us out here.

Me too.

Thank you.

Um appreciates what you're doing um and your patience and and and grace with us as as a city.

So thank you, Ugal.

I'm going to move us along to the next caller.

Thank you.

We will now hear from Jim, followed by followed by Danny Harani.

Followed by Danny.

Uh Ugo, if you can uh excuse me, Jim.

If you can hear us, you're up next.

Jim.

If you can hear us, you have been made a panelist.

You just have to unmute yourself.

Hello.

Yes, we can hear you.

Which property are you calling us about?

4887 Courtland.

480 87 Courtland.

This is the ninth property under the ninth lock.

Uh genders property has been withdrawn, uh, meaning that it is no longer deemed dangerous and it's not going to be demolished.

B seed, do you have any notes for this property?

Thank you, madam chair.

Yes, we need uh data just as important this.

Okay.

Uh Jim, are you planning on keeping your property uh vacant?

Uh so the situation is is that the uh fifth third bank owns the property.

I'm the real estate agent that's representing them in the sale.

We actually have a purchase contract on the property for it to be sold to another buyer who is planning to renovate the home.

It was it's uh it was a foreclosure.

Okay, understood.

The the items that were needed to be addressed, um not to kind of pile on uh with some of the comments that you've shared, madam, but uh I have emailed and called the department multiple times to let them know that these items were taken care of, and I was never able to get a response, which is why I'm here today.

I emailed them on January 9th, February 5th, February 6th, February the 7th.

Uh, and I called on all those same dates to let them know that all the repairs have been done.

I sent in pictures that were time and date stamped to show that the repairs were done, and each time I did not get a response.

So um, I think you know, a better resource, better utilization of your time and the rest of this office's time would have been if they had just replied and removed me and let me know that it had been removed from the list.

Um, I could have saved all of you some time and of course myself some time.

True there.

Understood, sir.

Um, thank you for addressing the issues that were sent to you by the city um and for doing your part in and letting them know uh this has been withdrawn.

Um, so it's not going to be demolished, and and it gets to hear that uh there's a sale and a renovation coming in place.

Um, but uh I do appreciate you letting me know what you experienced as well.

I will I'm taking notes and we'll share this with the administration too.

Um but for now, um, with what's before us, is there a motion to withdraw?

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw 4887 Courtland from the dangerous buildings list.

Uh Jim, do you have any other questions for us?

No, ma'am.

Thank you for your time and your efforts.

Thank you very much.

Thank you, Jim.

We will now hear from Danny, uh, followed by Lawrence Walker.

Followed by Lawrence, but for now we're going to hear from Danny.

Danny, if you can hear us, you have been made a panelist.

You just have to unmute yourself.

Good afternoon.

How's everybody doing today?

Thank you so much for this opportunity to speak to this amazing council.

Um, I just want to say I've been listening to this hearing for the last since it started.

And I wanted to, they could not have picked three better council people to represent the residents of Detroit.

Uh this has really been an eye-opening experience for me.

Um, I'm here on behalf of Team Wellness Center, Cornfield Property uh 6301 uh Mack Avenue.

Um we have re-registered as a vacant property.

We have um received our certificate of compliance.

Um and honestly, I'm I'm I'm I'm astonished that I'm here today because that building was a liquor store.

It was on the corner of our crisis center, and it was on the corner of our treatment center.

We have a whole medical facility there.

We had to overpay by a lot of money to get that liquor source closed to get that guy away from the residents so he would stop selling them liquor so they would get treatment from us and then go around the corner to the liquor store.

Um we have invested a significant amount of money to fix that property that's that's got a brand new roof on there, a new siding.

Um that is going to be our new 24-7 crisis unit for the Detroit Police Department to have their own special entrance in.

Um so I was honestly shocked when they contact me and said it was on a demolition list.

Okay.

Danny, first thank you for your work.

Uh we all really appreciate it.

Um, in full transparency, I know Danny very well.

Um, so appreciate you for the work that you're doing.

Um, and just so you know, this property has been withdrawn.

Uh so the work that you've done and that you invested into the property, they see it's it's no longer being deemed dangerous.

Um, so we will remove this from the dangerous buildings hearings um or from the dangerous buildings list today.

Um, and we are going to continue to work with the administration um in how they identify buildings.

Uh but for now, is there a motion to withdraw 6301 MAC?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we will withdraw 6301 Mac from a demolition list.

Mr.

Patel, any notes that you want to share for this property?

Um, Madam Turn No, uh, we did have some communication with Dona on this property, and we are good with that.

Okay, wonderful.

So thank you, Danny, for the work that you've been doing.

Um I apologize to you and everyone else who gets the the notice from the city.

I know it's stressful, um, but I do appreciate uh the work that you guys do to follow up.

Do you have any questions or anything else you want to share with us, Danny?

I just want to say thank you again for this opportunity.

Um, I want to thank you and Councilwoman Waters and our new councilman, uh Councilman Campbell, you guys are doing amazing work, uh, honestly God.

Um I you know, just sitting here seeing your concern for the residents has been very refreshing for me.

Um I'm glad to see that you guys are here to make sure that the residents feel heard, they feel justified, and they feel valued.

And that's literally what I got here, man.

And that's beautiful, it's just been a beautiful thing for me to see.

Uh I'm sure BC does a very hard job.

Um, but I'm sure with your leadership and the new administration, you guys are gonna do an amazing job for the city of Detroit.

Thanks, Danny.

I appreciate you.

Uh we'll see you out there.

Hope you have a good rest of your day.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

We will now turn it over to Lawrence, followed by followed by resident.

Followed by resident.

Lawrence, can you hear us?

If so, uh please unmute yourself and let us know which property you're here to discuss.

Uh good afternoon.

I am uh here on 4574 Belvidere.

Uh I am the attorney for the owner, Ralph Armstrong, who's also present, as well as his architect uh engineer Laura Peterson.

I don't know if you can see them.

We cannot, but thank you for letting us know that they are with you to discuss this property.

Uh it is on the order for demolition.

It does look like you're working on it, but I'll turn it over to uh B seed to let us know um any concerns that they might have in what needs to be addressed.

Mr.

Patel.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh we are working with this property or not.

Yes, there do we have the tarp for what we like to see the permit, and that permit has to be established within 30 days for the rope as well as the next day.

Yeah.

Okay.

Uh so Lawrence, um, BC does working with you.

Thank you for working with them.

Would you be able to pull permits for the work that you're that you're completing?

Uh I'm I'm sure at some point in time uh we will be able to.

I mean, we just had a hearing in it uh at the BC level December the 5th.

And we were given time for compliance and uh to secure the property, and my client did in fact do that and paid the uh paid the fee for uh certificate of registration for vacant property and paid the hearing fee as well.

Yeah, and lo and behold, here we are again.

And it was we it was suggested it was advised uh that uh there's compliance and there is a tarp on the roof because well it's in the middle of winter.

That is a construction tarp.

That's not just some baggies.

Uh and uh we we have uh an architect uh and you know, in in time as weather permits, uh an entire new roof will be put on the premises.

There's been substantial improvements made to the property and the contiguous lot.

Uh and um Mr.

Armstrong uh is a uh is a favorite son of the city, and he's a uh world-class musician, and he wants to turn that into an educational center for children, but we can't do it in the winter time, and uh um so he he's making a substantial investment in uh in the city of Detroit and would like to continue to do so.

Uh and we've removed just tons of debris and uh done what we can uh until such time as uh the the season changed and we'll do more.

Uh but I don't know.

I I'll be speaking out of school if I uh said that uh permits could be pulled.

Maybe that would be a question for Laura Peterson, who's the architect.

But uh we we have uh a lot of things lined up for uh the rehabilitation of this property.

Okay, thank you.

Uh understood and I appreciate that.

Member Waters.

Thank you.

Um thank you, madam chair.

And I did um email uh director Bell about a week ago regarding uh this property and the fact that they had received a letter um that saying that they were in compliance, and then I believe that an inspector had gone out there as well.

Um, and I am with them.

I'm not sure why this property is back on the list.

They were supposed to be uh working uh with them.

And in fact, I uh know Mr.

Armstrong, and I'm looking forward to uh the unique things that he's gonna be doing with this property for our community.

And so, madam uh madam chair, I move that we return this property to BC.

Hearing no objections on the motion.

We agree to send 4574 Belvedere back to B seed.

Thank you, Member Waters.

Thank you, Lawrence, for calling in.

Um, so we agree with you to give you more time to continue to work with B seed.

Um, this will not be ordered demolished.

And as you heard me talk with uh the rest of the callers, um, send over progress pictures, continue to work with B seed.

Um, and you shouldn't see yourself here again.

But if you do, uh we will be here to discuss with you, okay?

Okay, that that'll be fine.

Okay, well, thank you.

We sent this back to BC.

Thank you, Lawrence.

We will now turn it over to our next caller, resident, followed by followed by the last hand raised, Quincy Jones.

Followed by Quincy Jones, but first we'll hear from residents.

Caller named residents.

If you can hear us, you're up next.

You just have to unmute yourself.

Yeah, um, I just want to commend you for working with people and just remind you that Mr.

Richard Hosey on the board of the land bank got 6.9 million dollars of American Rescue Plan X money to do the important Fisher Body Plan.

And if the rest of us got we might have to pause you, Miss Warwick.

So sorry.

I appreciate hearing you, but at this point we are in hearings, and I'm so sorry, Miss Ferrick.

I have to respect people's time.

So I'm going to move on to Mr.

Quincy Jones.

And for folks who don't know Miss Warwick, we work with her often, did not try to be rude and just cut her off.

But Miss Vora can definitely call our office and let us know her thoughts.

Um, we will hear now from Mr.

Quincy Jones.

Mr.

Quincy Jones, can you hear us?

Or Quincy Jones, if you can hear us, you're up next.

Also followed, Madam Chair by now, Andre Guzman.

Andre, you are going to follow Quincy.

Quincy, if you can hear us.

Yeah, I can hear you.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Which property are you calling us about?

Yeah, how are you doing today?

Um Quincy Jones.

Um calling on one three three three four Grasshet Avenue.

One three three three, four Grasshet.

This is the first property under the 11th block.

Uh Quincy, this property is being ordered demolished.

We're gonna hear from the inspector as to why.

But do you look to keep or demolish the property?

Uh, most definitely looking to keep.

We are doing good work on the neighborhood already on Maple Ridge.

This is one of our properties.

We're going to be zeroing in on it right now.

Um, those are just most recent pictures.

We just pulled permits, finishing gutting it out.

We did board up those windows in the front.

I do got the most recent pictures now.

Um, we've been working with the city mother from the city.

Um, and we got a meeting with Liz Brandon Jackson and Anthony Batiste coming up, Invest Detroit uh as well, too.

So um we're going to be zeroing in on this building.

Um, we pulled the permits as well, too.

Um, we also registered the building is vacant again as well, too.

So we just did that on Friday, but we are working quickly now to get this building uh secure and safe.

And I do have the updated pictures as well, too.

And we just pulled permit.

So we're fully aware of the uh of the uh concerns and what needs to be done.

We've got a meeting next Friday next February the 16th next Monday with Lis to talk about funding opportunities and been working closely with the city on the monthly calls, Martha Porter, Josh Bell from the city as well, too, on our monthly grace calls.

Okay, understood.

Well, thank you, Mr.

Jones, for that.

Um, if you're pulled permits, um, if you are in communication with B Seed, I am okay with sending this over to you.

What I don't understand is why you're here if you're already working with B Seed.

So we have a lot of questions after today.

Um, but with that, is there a motion to send one three three three four graits back to B Seed.

Hearing no objections, we agree to send this back.

Mr.

Jones, do you have any other questions for us?

No, thank you so much, and congratulations to all of you as well too.

Appreciate it.

We've been working with Mona as well, too.

Mona uh Ali.

Um, but we've been in monthly calls with the city on grass, just trying to get grass uh up and running.

But we're we are committed.

I'm developer with renovated maple ridge street, so we're committed to making Detroit making Detroit shine.

Same.

But I appreciate the uh I appreciate it.

Well, we're working hard to get this building activated.

Thank you, Mr.

Jones.

Okay, so with that, good luck and thank you for the work.

We sent this back to BC.

We will now go to our next caller, Andre, followed by followed by just noting, Madam Chair, Cindy Dara has her hand raised.

Okay, Cindy.

I'm gonna call you, uh, ask you to come back next time for general public comments.

We will go now to Andre.

And Andre is our last caller that we have uh for hearing.

So if you're still listening in and you are a property owner or represents a property owner for a property that's on our list today, please raise your hands now because once we complete these hearings, we will wrap up shortly after.

Uh Andre, can you hear us?

And Andre, it sounds like you're our last caller.

So if you can hear us, you have been made a panelist.

You would just have to unmute yourself.

Andre member waters is calling.

So you know it's serious.

The chair, uh he just removed himself from the call.

Understood.

Okay.

Oh he just joined.

Maybe there was some tech issues.

Andre, we see you.

We have made you a panelist.

You would just need to unmute yourself.

Sorry about the technical issues.

No, can you guys hear me?

Yes, we can.

What's the property you're calling us about?

Also, you might have multiple.

Oh, there was feedback, but now, but now we're good.

What's the property?

Oh 8711 Orange Lawn.

Oh, great.

This is the 10th property under the 13th block.

Andre, this has been withdrawn.

So it is no longer on our dangerous buildings list.

You have addressed any of the issues.

Mr.

Patel, any notes for this property?

Thank you, madam.

Chair.

Uh yeah, we are looking for the recon property registers and permit on this property.

Okay.

Andre, if the property is gonna stay vacant, uh B seed is recommending that you register it as as a vacant.

Can you do so?

Uh yeah, I'll do that immediately.

Okay.

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw orange lawn?

Motion.

Hearing no objection.

We will withdraw this.

Thank you, Andre for doing that work.

Awesome.

Thank you.

If there's nothing else, you as well.

Um Miss Evangelista.

Anyone else that we have?

No, ma'am.

Okay.

Um again, Cindy.

We see you.

We welcome you to call for general public comments.

Um or to call regarding the your property.

Um, I know that you mentioned that you had issues with your property, uh, so we can check in on that as well.

What we're gonna do now is go through the rest of these properties.

Anyone that might be listening in, if you have been shy, um have not raised your hand yet, and you are in need of a hearing, please raise your hands now.

Um, Miss Evangelista will interrupt me, but if not, I will move on to review the rest of these properties.

So for the remaining properties on today's dangerous buildings list, and to review what we discussed today.

For 512631st Streets, we have sent this back to B-seed.

3839 32nd Street is being withdrawn.

20027 Alcoy is being withdrawn.

3156 Annabelle is being ordered demolished, as well as 3315 Annabelle.

1303 Ashland is being ordered demolished.

Um Mr.

Patel, I would like to send this back to B-Seed for what do we call it?

Analysis.

A cost analysis.

If there's a motion to do so, thank you.

And we understand um, I completely understand that if we can't contact the property owner, that we just give up.

But these are properties that I believe from what we can tell, um, have very little issues to address in the immediate, but we shall see.

Um, the following property 18713 avon.

I would like to send to B seed as well.

Motion if there's a motion hearing no objections, this property will be sent back to B seed for a cost analysis on demolition.

The following property 4016 bag uh bagley is being ordered demolished as well as one two four two six Barlow.

6125 Beechwood would like to send this to B seed as well.

Motion Hearing no objections, this will be sent to B seed for cost analysis.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations for the eighth block?

Motion hearing no objections, we agree to the remaining recommendations for the eighth block for the ninth block.

3051 Belvedere is being ordered demolished.

4574 Beldevere is being sent back to B seed.

3785 Blaine is being ordered demolished.

I would like a cost analysis for 10669 Bonita.

Motion hearing no objections, we will send this back to B seed.

505 East Boston will be ordered demolished.

15354 Bourgues is being withdrawn.

1010 Cadu is being ordered demolished.

18820 Conley is being withdrawn.

We agree to withdraw 4887 Cortland.

And 15781 Cruz is being ordered demolished.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

Hearing no objections, we will agree with the remaining recommendations for B seed for the ninth block for the 10th block.

19981 Derby is being ordered demolished.

1720 Detroit is being ordered demolished as well as 1324 Dexter.

7441 Ellsworth.

I would like a cost analysis for 8175 Ellsworth.

Motion.

Hearing no objections, this would be sent back to BC.

17394 Fenton is being ordered demolished.

We agree to withdraw.

And 4259 West Grant is being ordered demolished.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations from BC for the 10th block for the 11th block.

And that's a note for anyone that called in regarding 1991 Derby.

We agree to demolish.

Has been sent back to B seed.

17309 Greeley is being ordered demolished.

3733 Gristle is being withdrawn as well as 3743 Grussle Grussle.

8138 East Grigsdale is being sent back to B seed.

20057 HANA is being ordered demolished.

1922 Harnett is being sent back to BC.

17147 Hartwell is being withdrawn.

Haver Hill.

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we will do so.

We'll send this back to B Seed.

2472 Highland is being withdrawn.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations for the 11th block for the 12th block.

1192 Hulkholm is being withdrawn.

Hubble.

And 17807 Hull.

We agree to withdraw.

7728 Kirchoville.

14579 Lapine Leppin.

I would like to send back to B seed.

Motion.

Hearing no objection, we will send back for cost analysis.

1110 Lawndale is being withdrawn.

We agree to send back 1441 Livernoid to B seed.

And we agree to withdraw.

6301 MAC.

Is there a motion to agree with the remaining recommendations?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, we concur with the recommendations for the 12th block for the 13th block.

10150 MAC has been withdrawn.

Demolished.

We agree to withdraw 14247 Merlot.

18047 Marks is being withdrawn.

3474 Mount Elliott is being withdrawn.

Is being ordered demolished as well as 8099 Olympia.

And 8711 Orange Lawn is being withdrawn.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

Motion.

Thank you.

Everyone, we agree with the recommendations for the 13th block.

Miss Evangelista, do we have any other hands raised?

No, madam chair.

All right.

And the notes for B seed and the administration and for my colleagues.

I think today we had some flags for all of us to note.

I do have concerns knowing that a third of our residents are at or below the poverty level and the cost of repairs and the city pushing for permits.

I understand we need things to be safe and legal, but we gotta have a real conversation of what we are prioritizing and what we're evaluating and how we're helping residents.

That is a discussion that I think we need to be having and how we move along this process.

And talking about process, a lot of concerns hearing that there are properties all being already being worked with with the administration or with B seed.

A part of me thinks that we might be moving too fast.

Um when it comes to our inspections, which makes me believe that we are disconnected from what's actually going on, and would like to know whether or not we have an online dashboard already, or if we can have one that shows you the same way when you order a pizza from Pizza Hut, where your pizza is along the process, where is your property along the process in the admin in the city?

Is it with the land bank?

Is it with BC?

Is it with jets so that we can all see it because it is too confusing?

My biggest fear is that we demolish a property that shouldn't be demolished, or that we are continuing to put stress on on residents that don't need the stress, who are really trying to do their best.

LPD.

Thank you, madam chair.

Again, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we don't have policies or legal authorities to do the things that we would all like to do given the situation that we have.

We're the council in this case is implementing a state statute that assumes that the market sets the prices basically right and helps the communities do what they need to do to improve their variety of life.

There was never any concept that there would be so many vacancies.

Thousands of vacancies that dealing with the blight and the costs for recognizing the blight would be what we would have to struggle with, and that's the front the source of the frustration here.

You said it a couple you said, well, I I think we're doing these things.

We're pursuing statutory policies that were not designed for this thing, and we've been doing it for 20 or 30 years now before I got here.

Okay, and so it's important to have a land bank or some kind of thing to deal with this giant blight problem and vacancy problem.

It's important to have a demolition program with the due process like we're doing here, but it's also important to have an overall plan that really is.

You said we're not in touch with what's happening.

That's it.

The public policy that we're trying to implement here has never been designed to deal with the crisis, the affordable housing crisis that we have now, or the housing crisis that Detroit has been experiencing since 20 or 30 years before the crash.

And just so I mean it's it's really frustrating to hear all the frustration in everybody's voices and know that we'll we'd love to do this, but it has to be done outside these hearings.

It's a larger public policy problem.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Yes, member Waters.

I do like the idea that you just mentioned so that people can look online and see where they're in the process.

Because some people whose properties were withdrawn, as you said earlier, they didn't need to be sitting online one to two hours just to see that.

Yeah, just to hear that from us.

There that process certainly needs to be changed.

And so I'm looking forward to us coming up with some way that people can just check online, check somewhere to see what their status is.

And that makes sense to me.

Awesome.

Thank you, Member Waters.

This might be an ask that BC needs to make to the budgets, but want to share that now, put it on record.

Please look into this.

Um, if and if and until we address the policy issue, um, more clarity, more guidance um would be helpful, I think, because people are so bombarded by all the things that uh we are struggling with.

Um, but thank you all for your time and attention.

If there is nothing else to come before us, we are now adjourned.