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Public Health and Safety Committee Dangerous Buildings Hearing - March 2, 2026

City CouncilMonday, March 2, 2026
BodyDetroit, Michigan
SessionCity Council
DateMonday, March 2, 2026
StatusFILED
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0:00

I would like to call to order our public health and safety standing committee for the purposes of our dangerous buildings hearings for today.

0:11

Monday, March 2nd, 2026.

0:15

May the clerk please call the rule.

0:17

Councilmember Gabriela Santiago Romero.

0:20

Present.

0:20

Councilmember Denzel Anton McCampbell.

0:23

Present.

0:23

Councilmember Mary Waters.

0:25

Present.

0:25

Madam Chair, you have a quorum present.

0:27

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

0:28

Given a quorum, we'll go right into the hearings for today.

0:32

I will turn it over to the administration first to share with the public what it is that they can expect today before we turn it over to the legislative policy division.

0:41

Uh to the administration.

0:47

For owners of property here today, if city council orders your building to be demolished, you have the opportunity to go to the building safety, environmental, and engineering department located in room 418 and request a deferral of the demolition order.

1:02

This means that you must do the following.

1:05

One, provide proof of ownership or interest in the property.

1:09

Two, pay all required inspection fees.

1:12

Three, secure all openings on your building from trespass and the elements and remove all exterior debris, abandoned vehicles, and overgrowth.

1:22

Four, pay or make arrangements regarding any delinquent city taxes.

1:26

Five, obtain the necessary permits to bring your building into compliance with all applicable codes.

1:32

And six, submit a completed deferral application.

1:36

Thank you.

1:37

Thank you.

1:38

To BC.

1:39

Oh, excuse me, to LPD.

1:41

Thank you, madam chair.

1:42

In addition to the important information that the administration's representatives just provided about the nature and incidents of these hearings, people should be aware these are administrative appeal hearings from previous informal hearings held by members of the Department of BC who are here.

1:57

And uh in order to uh they're legally required in order to proceed with demolitions for the buildings that are on the dangerous buildings list for today.

2:04

Um, in order to conduct this hearing and provide due process for everybody.

2:09

Representatives of the department are here with the photos and the records uh so that the committee can be fully informed of the premises.

2:16

Thank you.

2:16

Thank you.

2:17

I'll now have BC to introduce themselves.

2:20

Mr.

2:21

Patel.

2:22

Thank you, madam chair.

2:24

My name is Dili Portel.

2:25

I'm the assistant team at the building and safety department.

2:34

Thank you both.

2:36

All right, and for folks that might be tuned in, um, these are hearings for folks for properties that are being deemed dangerous.

2:46

We have around 50 or so on the agenda for today.

2:52

What we do is we try to keep the hearings to about five minutes.

2:56

Usually we have 20 people plus um that either tune in in person or virtually, and we try to make this as efficient as possible.

3:04

We want to respect your time in your day.

3:06

So what we'll do is we are gonna ask everyone if you are online and you are here for a hearing, please raise your hands now.

3:14

I don't see anyone here in person for a hearing, so I'm going to assume everyone that's for it's attending for a hearing is online.

3:22

We will call on you two at a time.

3:27

We and this is again for efficiency.

3:29

You'll you'll understand the process as as we get into it.

3:32

Uh, but we'll call um on a first name who will be speaking, who we have a hearing, and then we'll have someone on deck.

3:40

And again, given the amount of hearings that we usually have, I do ask for everyone's attention so that we're able to call on you, move on to the next case, and give you back your day uh rather swiftly, and we would help we we're here to help you however we can.

3:53

Uh so with that, without further ado, Miss Evangelista, how many hands do we have raised and who do we have first?

4:01

Good afternoon.

4:02

We have eight hands raised.

4:04

First, we have Sam Jasner.

4:09

All right, Sam, we're gonna hear from you followed by followed by Elador Hawkins.

4:14

Followed by Elodor, but Sam, you're next.

4:16

Can you hear us?

4:17

Yes, I can hear you.

4:18

Good morning.

4:19

Or good afternoon, I'm sorry.

4:20

All good, good afternoon.

4:21

Which property are you here to discuss?

4:23

Uh 18625 revere.

4:32

18625 revere.

4:36

This is the third property under the 12th block.

4:40

This is being ordered demolished.

4:43

Sam, we're gonna let BC pull up some images and let us know why they're going to order this demolished, but wondering while they pull up that information, are you looking to keep or demolish the property?

4:54

Uh, we're looking to keep it.

5:00

I actually had an inspector by the name of Lamonte uh Gibson give me a correction order, and I did everything that was uh on that correction order, and he told me that um I I should have the vacant CFC on this house.

5:07

I think there's a permit permit pulled as well.

5:10

All right, well then let's double check that.

5:12

Give us one second.

5:49

Sam while they pull up that information.

5:51

I'm just wondering, are you looking to uh uh rehab sell rent out the property?

5:58

What do you what are your plans for the property?

6:01

Uh we're probably gonna try to rehab it.

6:04

We've um we manage about over a thousand homes here in Detroit.

6:09

Um we are definitely gonna try to rehab this home and rent it.

6:15

Okay, and you have over a thousand homes.

6:19

Um which company do you work with?

6:22

Oh, there's there's many of them that I manage.

6:25

Um this one falls under Detroit rental.

6:31

Okay, Mr.

6:36

Patel, is there any other information for this property?

6:41

Uh thank you, madam chair.

6:45

Uh 18625.

6:49

Uh we had inspected this for this year on uh February 23rd, 2026.

6:57

We found the uh single story frame, one family dwelling.

7:02

We're gonna open two elements, one mine, left elevation roof, yard not maintained, uh rubbish, debris, uh band and vehicle in the rear of the yard, dwelling not maintained, uh collapsing rear ports, uh deteriorated and the holes in a roof.

7:26

That that's what we are here print of this committee.

7:30

Thank you, Chief.

7:31

Do you see?

7:32

Do you have any notes around them receiving their correction order or them?

7:39

He made it seem as if they were in good standing.

7:42

But Sam, given all these issues, have you already addressed these issues?

7:46

Uh no, I this is my first time seeing that.

7:49

I that bad back patio wasn't like that before.

7:52

Um, that's my first time seeing this.

7:56

Okay, because there seems to be a lot of issues still where um I can understand why it's on the demolition list here.

8:04

Um, but you mentioned that you received a letter from BC.

8:07

I'm assuming stating the issues that you have to address.

8:10

Is that what the letter states, Sam?

8:12

Yes, and uh it was with Inspector uh Lamonte Jackson Gibson.

8:17

He even told me just to let them know that you know that hey, you know, you you had your vacant CFC.

8:22

Uh that patio in the back, I don't know what happened there, but um, I'd have to send somebody out.

8:28

Okay, but yeah.

8:31

Um back in early December that he um that we got this to CFC done.

8:41

That's why I was even confused why why it was in the court today.

8:45

Okay.

8:46

Well, usually if if properties here are vacant, they they are tends they tend to be targeted.

8:51

Um we really that's why I was asking what you're looking to do with the property if it's to sell or to occupy it as quickly as possible.

9:01

Um, because that would be helpful to prevent it from from decaying in this way.

9:06

Um so Sam, there is a number of issues that need to be addressed to the property.

9:12

Now that you're looking at the issues, are you still willing to address them?

9:16

Um, or would you okay?

9:17

So it's because here we can either move forward demolition or you can address the issues.

9:21

The issues would need to be addressed rather swiftly.

9:24

I believe we have a another hearing come late April.

9:30

Um, and there would need to be some kind of work being done to the property.

9:35

You you you mentioned you can send someone down.

9:37

Um, could that be within the next few weeks to at least begin to address um the debris, the the failing parts of the property as well.

9:47

Just something needs to be done um in order for the city to not deem this dangerous anymore.

9:54

Um, yes, I can do that.

9:56

Um I think there was a permit pulled on this.

10:05

We can track and their system.

10:07

I know we did have a problem with the contract that was supposed to kind of ran off.

10:14

Chief.

10:46

I mean, it was also the permit was paid for as well.

10:50

Okay.

10:50

I don't mean to cut you off, but um uh Mr.

10:53

Patel, I've emailed you uh many times on many addresses.

10:57

Um so it wasn't just an application field, the fees and everything were also paid.

11:03

Okay.

11:04

So I would like to find a solution here.

11:09

Sam, if you're looking to keep this property, if we send it back to B seed, uh the permits not only need to be pulled in and paid for, work needs to be done.

11:17

When can the work begin?

11:19

Um hopefully within the next couple of weeks.

11:21

I can get uh I mean I can definitely address the issues right now, the ones that are like the patio and um uh the gutters and stuff, but um hopefully within a couple weeks.

11:35

All right, are there any questions from my colleagues?

11:37

Vice Chair.

11:39

Thank you, madam chair.

11:40

Uh um, just I know you you said that you are managing over a thousand properties, and I'm also hearing that you have contacted director uh Patel for a few yes many times with the with no response back, but yes.

11:56

All right, Sam.

11:56

I'm gonna also uh ask that there be one mic.

11:59

So once my vice chair completes, I'll turn it over to you.

12:02

Thank you, Vice Chair.

12:03

Thank you.

12:04

And I I I will say that I I do have some concerns that I'm not sure that a uh patio would um collapse like that in a short period of time.

12:13

So I'm I we're as the madam chair indicated trying to work with you on getting some repairs very quickly.

12:21

But overall, we we really just need to if it's over a thousand homes.

12:25

I'm hopefully I'm hoping that all of them don't look like this or non-deep deep repair.

12:30

Um, but we this um we have to make sure that our housing stock, especially if you're managing managing them, are in good repair.

12:39

So I hope you're gonna take this and the willingness of us to help you with along with this and actually have these homes in good standing.

12:49

Sam.

12:50

Yes.

12:51

Um council member, uh, I'm sorry, I didn't see what your name was.

12:56

Um you can uh so Jay Barnach and Clinton Derringer from the mayor's office, you can reach out to them, you can ask them about me.

13:09

I'm well known and I do take care of our houses.

13:13

Unfortunately, this house is just one that we uh uh a contract ran off with it.

13:18

Doesn't happen often to us.

13:19

I know it happens a lot in Detroit, but this is one where they did get us.

13:23

Um but uh I I have a pretty good name.

13:27

I have reached out to uh to uh supervisor Patel a few times, like I said.

13:33

Uh I'll only get responses back from Arthur Russian or um, which that's not really his department.

13:39

And um, unfortunately, sometimes the communication when I'm emailing asking questions, uh, there's no responses.

13:47

Okay.

13:47

But I will uh definitely uh get this handled pretty quickly.

13:53

Thank you.

13:55

Thank you.

13:56

Thank you, Sam.

13:57

All right.

13:58

So we will take you up on that good name and uh send this back to BC to allow you time to work on this property.

14:06

Uh thank you for your willingness to do so.

14:08

Um, so is there a motion to send 18625 revere back to BC?

14:15

Well, sure.

14:16

There is a motion.

14:17

Are there any objections?

14:20

Hearing no objections, this property will be sent back to B seed.

14:23

Sam, please continue to work with uh the administration.

14:27

Um and what you will need to do is if we can please put the email back on the screen.

14:32

And this is for anyone listening in.

14:35

If we do decide to provide you more time to work on your property, you will need to take pictures of all four sides of the property once you've done work and share those pictures to BC, send it to these to this email address.

14:48

Um that way they can continue to work with you and keep track of your progress.

14:53

Um so Sam, if you can jot this down, take a screenshots.

14:56

I know you've been um talking to a lot of folks already.

15:00

Um, but just send those progress pictures to B seed, um, and then you guys should stay in communication.

15:06

Um, and you shouldn't see yourself back here again if you're able to address those issues.

15:11

Okay, thank you so much.

15:12

Okay, thank you.

15:13

Uh hearing no objections, revere will be sent back to BC.

15:18

And I will now move us along to Aladir, I believe.

15:22

Aladir was next, followed by followed by Sadate Tour.

15:28

Followed by Sadatha, I believe.

15:33

Apologies if I'm mispronouncing it.

15:34

Please do correct us.

15:36

So Date, you are going to follow Alador.

15:38

Elador, can you hear us?

15:41

Hi, how are you?

15:42

Doing good, how are you?

15:44

Good, good.

15:45

Good.

15:48

And we are here to discuss the property 14912 Rockdale Street.

15:53

Rockdale Street.

15:55

This is the fourth property under the 12th block.

15:58

This property is also being ordered demolished.

16:02

We are gonna turn it over to B seed to pull up images and information regarding the property and what needs to be addressed.

16:10

Uh, but while they pull up the information, Elodor, are you looking to keep or demolish the property?

16:17

I'm gonna keep it.

16:18

Okay, and then again, while they oh they seem to have the information, so I'll turn it over to BC now to share with us uh what needs to be addressed.

16:47

Are they talking?

16:48

I don't know if I don't think they're talking.

16:50

We're not talking, I will let you know when we are.

16:53

Okay, sorry, sorry.

16:54

All good, no worries.

16:58

Thank you, madam chair.

16:59

Uh, for this year, we had inspected this property on February 24, 2026.

17:07

Uh, we found the single family one and a half story prime dwellings.

17:12

We're gonna open two element possible trespass at the south side damage entry door, open to elements at the power dam as via roof and wall.

17:24

Pyred them is uh to interior of the dwelling with the tarp or fire them as rope.

17:32

Uh uh permisses uh litter with the tress and debris.

17:37

Um, and that's what we are print of this uh committee.

17:41

Uh this tar been there for a while.

17:44

Uh and we cannot you know tarp is not the permanent solution.

17:50

They need to have the uh permit for the roof, as well.

17:54

Any part of them is uh uh repairs.

17:59

Okay.

18:00

Uh Chief Patel, do you know when the fire happened?

18:05

I can also ask the property owners.

18:08

I think the fire happened.

18:10

February 13, 2025.

18:13

In five.

18:14

Okay, last year.

18:15

Thank you, Chief.

18:16

Um, okay, so Elodor, there is extensive fire damage to the property.

18:21

You're looking to keep.

18:22

Um, Chief Patel just mentioned uh that the tarp that is there um is meant to be temporary.

18:30

And just to confirm that the fire happened last year.

18:35

I think it happened last year.

18:36

Yeah, but it happened this year.

18:42

Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, it was last year.

18:45

About like seven months ago.

18:47

Okay, so then uh we are here today because of the state the property is in.

18:52

Would you be able to address um any of the repairs that are needed to the property anytime soon?

19:01

She asked you if you would be able to address any of the repairs needed to the property anytime soon.

19:06

Yes, we're we're we're working on it now.

19:09

Okay, what are you what are you working on?

19:13

We just did uh uh we tore out all the old insulation in the attic and we just replaced all that.

19:24

Oh right, and I got copies of the bills and um and pictures if you want to see them from the inside of the property, sir, of the work that you've been doing.

19:36

Yes.

19:41

Yes, we do have um, we have been making progress inside the house, and we do have receipts and and things to uh submit to the B S E D EMO at Detroit Michigan.gov.

19:56

Okay, and I I heard you've been working inside of the property.

20:00

Have you been able to or do you have plans to address the outside?

20:04

Um, which is still um it sounded like to warm up.

20:10

Okay, so we can do have plans to address the outside.

20:13

Sure.

20:14

And I I I heard you're waiting for it to warm up.

20:17

It's it's it's 60 degrees next week.

20:19

Um, so we need a plan to address this quickly.

20:23

Um, so I guess what I what I can share is if you're looking to keep the property and to do work on it extensively quickly, we can give you more time.

20:35

But unfortunately, we have seen cases where homes have extensive fire damage and they sit for a few years and then they end up being demolished.

20:44

And I don't want that to be the case here.

20:46

So, do you think that you have what you need to be able to make the repairs sooner rather than later to the property and that have it be exposed like this uh moving forward?

20:58

Yeah, you know, I think it just takes a lot of time.

21:02

It honestly kind of happened, and uh it's been it's been financially struggling in order to get this fixed right away, but I think over time we will be able to get most of the problem solved.

21:16

Okay, and I do believe in time and and giving people time, and I understand how hard things are, but I need us to do things together.

21:26

So I'm happy to give you more time.

21:28

We can talk to my colleagues.

21:29

I I think we can.

21:31

We just need um the pictures to be sent over to B seed from the work being done inside, but also the outside, the overgrowth that we're seeing here.

21:41

If there's any openings, I do see some bordered up.

21:45

Um, but what it really sounds like for B seed is that this property can no longer stay in this condition um for a long period of time anymore, it needs to be addressed.

21:56

Um, and if you're willing to do that work, um, then we're willing to give you time, but just just fair warning.

22:03

Um we have seen properties come back to this committee because the conditions have not changed, and we tend to not give another uh opportunity if work has not been done.

22:14

But if you're able to do that work, we can work together with you.

22:17

Is that something that you think you still want to do?

22:20

Yes, please.

22:23

Appreciate it.

22:24

Okay, colleagues.

22:25

Any questions, comments, or concerns for Rockdale?

22:29

Okay.

22:30

So to um our our folks online.

22:34

Here's the email, as you mentioned.

22:36

This is the email that pictures have to be sent to.

22:40

Um, have you jotted this down?

22:43

Yes.

22:44

Okay.

22:45

All right.

22:46

Then we will send this back to B seed.

22:49

And I again just urge you to send those images over to work on the property.

22:54

Um I continue to work on the property just to avoid you coming back to this committee, okay.

23:02

Okay, thanks.

23:03

Okay, is there a motion to send 14912 Rockdale back to B seed?

23:08

Motion.

23:08

Hearing no objections, 14912 Rockdale will be sent back.

23:13

Thank you both for calling in and good luck.

23:16

We will now have a great day.

23:19

You as well.

23:20

Appreciate it.

23:21

No problem.

23:23

Have a blessed day, folks.

23:25

We will now hear from Safathi.

23:28

Please pronounce uh your name correctly for me if I am mistaken.

23:32

Followed by followed by name Sadat to Rufi.

23:38

So bots.

23:39

Thank you for joining us.

23:40

One second, Sabat.

23:41

Before I turn it over to you, who's on deck?

23:44

Uh Gloria Wow.

23:45

Gloria, you're going to follow Sabat.

23:47

Sabats.

23:48

Hello, which property are you calling us about?

23:50

Uh 17240 Hoover Street.

23:53

Awesome.

23:54

So bot this problem this property is the sixth property under the 10th block.

23:59

It has been withdrawn, meaning that you have already addressed the issues that BC brought up.

24:04

I do want to turn it over to BC to see if there's any notes that you want to share, Chief.

24:10

Uh thank you, madam chair.

24:12

Uh only the note I have question mark about the control register.

24:19

They have to receive.

24:21

Okay.

24:21

So bat, just uh uh a note from B seed is to register your property vacant if it's gonna still be I I did I did is pending.

24:30

I didn't know the process because it's my first one, but I did apply on Friday and it's so pending right now.

24:35

And uh I learned from the the citation.

24:38

But quick question while I'm yeah, I did get a citation because the first one I never I didn't I didn't get on time, so I didn't get to the meeting, so they gave me a citation of 100 and something.

24:47

Am I able to get that way of being the first time?

24:49

Or how's this work?

24:51

I wish, sir.

24:52

I'm so sorry.

24:53

Yes, that's something else that I'm also fighting the administration on because those will continue to come if you don't pay, and that's another problem.

25:01

Um, but no, sir.

25:02

I'm so sorry.

25:04

So uh moving forward, all I need to do is uh complete the word because I've been already working on it.

25:09

That's it.

25:09

Okay.

25:10

Yes, sir.

25:10

Just continue to work on the property and maintain it.

25:13

Okay, it'll be done in about three weeks.

25:16

Wonderful.

25:17

Okay.

25:17

Well, is there a motion to concur with withdrawing hover?

25:21

No, sure.

25:21

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw 17240 Hoover from the demo list.

25:28

Thank you, Sabat.

25:29

Have a great day.

25:31

Thank you.

25:32

Thank you.

25:32

Gloria, we are gonna hear Fimi next, followed by followed by Trisha Ciro Cirois.

25:39

Followed by Trisha.

25:40

Gloria, you're next.

25:41

Can you hear us?

25:48

Yes.

25:49

Good afternoon, madam chair.

25:51

Good afternoon.

25:53

Uh thank you for calling in.

25:54

Which property are you calling us about?

25:57

3014 Pennsylvania Street.

26:01

Pennsylvania.

26:02

This is the ninth property under the 11th block.

26:06

Uh this ma'am is being ordered demolished.

26:08

We're gonna turn it over to BC to let us know why.

26:12

But do you want to keep or demolish the property?

26:15

We want to keep the the property, it belongs to our nonprofit.

26:19

We want green too.

26:21

Oh, okay.

26:22

Uh Chief Patel.

26:38

Okay.

26:43

I'm sorry, madam chair.

26:45

Oh no, I guess they review on the picture.

26:48

We are reviewing, yes.

26:49

Okay.

26:51

Thank you, madam.

26:52

Uh this property was inspected on February 23rd, 2026.

26:58

Uh we found the uh open base men pound this and and post floor open to trespass at the rear wall uh side fenced in, but uh it danger for the open white to the general public.

27:13

Uh this property being in this condition since 2023.

27:19

Okay.

27:19

Uh that's and that would fall under the dangerous building.

27:24

Understood.

27:24

Thank you, Chief.

27:26

Um, so Gloria, you mentioned this is for your nonprofits.

27:29

Are you planning to build on these properties or finish demolishing these properties?

27:34

We're planning to finish demolishing uh the foundational floors that are left.

27:41

This property three years ago.

27:44

Um, we did a training for deconstruction uh based on some direction we have from EPA that we were not to demolish it but to deconstruct it.

27:55

In fact, uh there was a documentary done on the training that took place on this property, and at the time after that was finished, we simply did not have enough funding to remove the foundational uh the basement and all.

28:12

So we piled a bunch of junk in there so that um if anyone managed to get to the property before we could fence it in, they would not kill themselves or do too much harm.

28:24

We have since then uh managed to raise enough funds.

28:28

We have a six-foot fence all around the property along with um do not trespass signs, and uh last year we were able to find a general contract that we could afford to have that would complete the work, and that would be to uh demolish the foundations of those properties.

28:53

So we are um actually in the process right now.

28:58

Okay, okay.

29:00

Oh taking care of that.

29:03

Understood.

29:04

Okay.

29:05

Uh so you would like to move forward demolition on your own.

29:10

Um, and frankly, we would like that as well.

29:15

We're okay with that.

29:16

Um, the only issue here is I want to make sure that you do it before the city does because if the city does, there's a lien that's put on the property, and I would like to avoid that.

29:25

Do you have a sense of a timeline of when you're looking to demolish?

29:29

Uh, the general contractor is present with me today.

29:34

Does he know when he's looking to demolish?

29:36

Uh mid-April.

29:38

I plan on coming downtown next week to pull all the necessary permits and get all the paperwork.

29:43

Wonderful.

29:44

Okay.

29:45

So then I think what we do here, folks, is is we say that we agree to demolition.

29:50

If you're gonna get to it by mid-April, I do believe you'll get to it sooner than the city.

29:55

Um, so you should get that done.

29:57

You would be able to get that done before the city.

30:00

It would not um uh apply a lien to your property.

30:04

But Chief Patel, how can we ensure is there a way to flag this property and the system?

30:09

Can we just make sure we don't demolish this property before they do?

30:14

Thank you.

30:14

Thank you, Madam Ted.

30:16

Uh yeah, they're gonna reach out to us, provide the copy of the contract.

30:20

Okay.

30:20

Uh scope of the board.

30:22

Okay, and okay, saying that they're ready to apply permit that also stop the city to move forward.

30:29

Can they use that same email address that we've been sharing?

30:32

Okay, so um to the contractor when you come downtown, send over that information to this email address, and then that should be enough for BC to flag this and remove it from our demolition list uh so that you're able to move forward uh with that work.

30:48

Should I also bring the uh contract with me?

30:51

If you're able to scan it and share it, yes, if you're able to stop by, I believe you're on the fourth floor, Chief.

30:57

Uh BC's on the fourth floor.

30:59

Thank you, madam teddy.

31:01

Yes, we are at the uh part floor, room port eight then.

31:04

Okay, so if you're already downtown, sir, if you want to stop by the fourth floor, 418 is where B seed is, and you can share all the documents uh with them there as well.

31:15

Okay, I appreciate it.

31:16

May uh need to make sure uh madam chair, I have this correct.

31:20

Uh Mr.

31:21

Uh Patel is asking that uh the department have a copy of the contract that we have to do the work.

31:28

Uh that and he can drop that off to Director Patel.

31:33

I've known Mr.

31:34

Patel almost 30 years uh in room 418.

31:39

And then um we then move forward to um at different intervals, make sure that the city has pictures of the progress that's being made on the property.

31:53

You wouldn't need to.

31:55

So I'm not I'm not gonna create more work for you.

31:58

I think I'm not making more work for you, ma'am.

32:02

As long as you are able to submit the paperwork for demolition and you move forward with the work for demolition, they'll see the work happening and they'll let you do the work.

32:11

Okay.

32:12

Uh okay.

32:14

One last question.

32:15

One last question, please.

32:17

We ask if they put the send the letters to this property right across the street.

32:21

Oh, uh, one other issue uh that we've had a long time.

32:26

The lots are located across the street from our office.

32:30

Do you think maybe that if they have communique that they can drop it in our mailbox and not attach it to the fence so that we can catch it on the next block?

32:42

Is that something that BC can do if they send another alternative mailing list for the notifications?

32:50

Chief Patel should they email that request to your office?

32:56

Yeah, email or snail mail, it doesn't matter, just as long as it comes to the office.

33:02

Yeah, uh, so that we make sure we don't have any other infractions on that property.

33:06

Gloria, what I would do is I would email BC, um, letting them know about your property and asking that they include in the mail list um your your your business address.

33:20

So it gets mailed to everyone.

33:24

Okay, and I'm seeing head nods that that might work.

33:26

So hopefully that works.

33:30

Okay.

33:30

All right.

33:30

I'm gonna chair of course, member waters.

33:34

Yeah, I I just wanted to remind them that once they pull that permit, uh, that also helps to flag things for BC.

33:42

So as soon as he pulls that permit next week, then um BC is uh is alerted.

33:50

Yes.

33:51

Okay, thank you, Councilwoman.

33:53

All right, thank you.

33:54

Thank you.

33:55

Member Waters, I believe that's everything for this property.

33:59

So is there a motion to concur?

34:03

Motion.

34:04

There's been a motion to concur.

34:06

We agree that Pennsylvania correct for discussing Pennsylvania, that Pennsylvania will be demolished.

34:12

Um, and we will follow the lead of the organization.

34:17

So thank you guys for doing that work, and I hope you guys have a blessed day.

34:22

We will now hear from Trisha followed by Kevin Williams.

34:28

Followed by Kevin.

34:29

Trisha, can you hear us?

34:35

Yes.

34:35

Can you hear me?

34:36

Yes, we can.

34:37

Which property are you calling us about?

34:40

1955 Pelky, P-E-L-K-E-Y.

34:45

One nine five five eight pelky.

34:47

This is the seventh property under the 11th block.

34:50

It is also being ordered demolished.

34:52

We are going to hear from B seed as to why.

34:56

But Trisha, are you looking to demolish or keep the property?

35:00

The property belongs to my mother, Patricia Couch, and she is looking to keep it.

35:05

Okay.

35:06

I see the images are up now.

35:09

So we'll turn it over to B seed um to address the properties or address the issues with the properties.

35:17

Chief, whenever you're ready.

35:31

And Trisha, we are still here.

35:33

We're just pulling up the information still.

35:35

Thank you.

35:36

I might bring some music in.

35:40

Some elevator music in for us.

35:46

So the public knows we're still here.

36:01

Goodbye.

36:04

Thank you, madam chair.

36:05

Sorry about delay.

36:06

Uh system moving a little slow.

36:09

So I got through.

36:12

Uh we inspected this property on February 24, 2026.

36:17

Uh for this city council hearing.

36:20

We found one and a half story brick, one family dwelling, vacant, and open at the front second floor windows.

36:30

Uh open broken front windows, open rear door, open garage, and collapse roof.

36:40

Yard not maintained, debris throughout.

36:43

Uh harbor.

36:46

Uh this property being in this condition for a while.

36:49

That's what we are from this committee.

36:53

Thank you, Chief.

36:55

Uh Trisha, you mentioned your mother is looking to keep again, there's extensive damage to the property.

37:01

What are your plans to address the issues and what are your plans ultimately with the property?

37:06

Are you looking to sell?

37:07

Move back in.

37:10

So my my brother is looking to secure the property with where the windows are broken and the access is open.

37:18

He has been um between jobs and lost his transportation, so he wasn't able to travel to the site to do the repairs.

37:26

However, he is now in a new job and his vehicle is repaired.

37:30

So he does plan to secure the building.

37:32

Uh is just requesting more time, and then also to empty out any remaining belongings so that uh my mother can sell it.

37:42

Understood.

37:43

Okay, got it.

37:44

And then what is the timeline for that?

37:48

Uh, because it would be great to sell sooner rather than later, so that we're able to get this back um back online.

37:57

Um, I don't my brother is actually uh dialed into this meeting on the telephone, so I don't know exactly his timetable, but um he was looking just for additional time, so I don't know if it's possible to get um through end of April.

38:12

Is that considered too long or uh that's something that I believe we can do?

38:19

Um, and and going month to month, I believe is preference so that we're able to see the work being done.

38:25

But Chief Patel's looking at me like that's not the case.

38:29

Um, Chief, there they they would like to secure this property within a month.

38:34

That seems like some I'm sorry, madam chair.

38:38

Uh yeah, a month is too long.

38:40

Uh the yeah, I think I would I would consider within a week or two, you know, at least secure the property, clean it up the property, exterior.

38:52

Uh you can see that nobody had touched on a front front port area that trees are growing up, but this need to be maintained.

39:01

This property in our neighborhood.

39:03

Okay.

39:04

Um, so the next hearing we have would be in a month.

39:09

Um, so if the issues were not to be addressed in that month, the property would be would be seen back here.

39:15

Um, but Chief just mentions that the securing should happen sooner than that.

39:21

I know you mentioned, would you happen to know what phone number your brother has?

39:25

Um, because we can try to make them into a panelist, but we would need uh to know the phone number.

39:30

If you can share maybe the first uh six to six, yep, absolutely.

39:35

I sure will.

39:36

Okay.

39:36

Um area code 586 and then 828.

39:52

Okay, give us one second.

39:55

Let me see that phone number.

39:58

Would you mind through the chair going through the full phone number?

40:01

The last three digits might be helpful as well.

40:03

Oh, okay.

40:04

The last digits.

40:06

Um 3090.

40:10

Zero.

40:16

Yes, to the chair, they should be allowed to talk.

40:19

Okay, we've just made your brother into a panelist.

40:24

So whenever you've joined, if you can just let us know your name and that you joined us.

40:30

Stephen Couch.

40:32

Hi, Steven.

40:33

We can hear you.

40:34

Thank you for joining us.

40:35

So as you heard from our chief, he's looking to get this uh house secured sooner rather than later.

40:41

Could you secure the openings within a few weeks of within one or two weeks?

40:48

Well do.

40:49

Okay.

40:50

Okay, well, thanks, Steven.

40:51

We appreciate that.

40:52

Um and then Trisha, you're looking to sell after you've you've secured and cleaned out.

40:58

I hope you are able to do that.

41:00

Um wondering if there's any other questions though, uh, for this property before moving us along.

41:07

Hearing none.

41:08

Um Steven, do you have a question for us?

41:11

No, no, I just thank you.

41:14

No problem.

41:15

This email again.

41:16

Here's a reminder.

41:17

Uh you are giving more time, but property uh pictures of your property need to be sent to this email.

41:23

So once again, it's on the screen.

41:25

Take a screenshot, jot it down.

41:27

Um please let me know once you have it.

41:31

I have it.

41:33

Okay, thank you.

41:35

Okay, no problem.

41:36

Is there a motion to send one nine five five eight pilky back to B seed?

41:41

Motion hearing no objection, we will send this back to B seed.

41:45

Thank you for calling in.

41:46

We will now hear from Kevin Williams, followed by followed by Casinometry Incorporated Casonometry.

41:56

You will follow Kevin Williams.

41:58

Kevin, can you hear us?

42:00

Yes, I can.

42:01

Good afternoon.

42:02

Good afternoon.

42:02

Which property are you calling us about?

42:04

Uh 12,000 visitor VISGR.

42:13

Oh, this is the sixth property under the 13th block.

42:16

Kevin, this has been withdrawn, meaning that you address the issues of the property.

42:21

Um, it is no longer being deemed dangerous.

42:24

Chief Patel, any notes for 1200 Visgar.

42:33

Okay, thank you, madam chair.

42:35

Uh, this is old.

42:37

I think this is old doctor office.

42:40

Uh the property is secured with pound, but the software area right underneath the roof, that need to be closed.

42:50

Uh, and also they have to apply for the record property hardeners.

42:55

So I like to see that sow print been closed probably next couple of weeks.

43:01

If this or next time, yes, that that's no problem.

43:04

We we it it it what happened over the over the the harsh winter, it wasn't as bad as it is now, but with the heavy winds and the snow that we had, uh the moisture just pulled some of the aluminum siding off as well as the uh the way and put the luminoside and the moisture uh got into the uh soft and and and just got too heavy, but we will secure and replace that within the next couple of weeks, and I can send pictures if needed.

43:32

Wonderful.

43:33

And you got the address, the email address?

43:35

Yes, I did screenshot it when you when you know when the other uh people was on.

43:42

Okay, great.

43:43

Thank you.

43:44

Kevin, are there any other questions?

43:46

It sounds, oh, this has been uh withdrawn.

43:49

Seeing no other questions.

43:51

I do I do have a question though.

43:53

It is an older doctor's office.

43:55

Um, but far as uh renovating it, um you know, is that something that I need to take?

44:00

Because I purchased it from um one of our churches um nearby, which is waterfall.

44:06

They they're the previous owners.

44:08

Um, but I wanted to renovate it, and I just kind of needed to know what direction uh because we need we definitely need some uh low-income housing or some some housing period in our area.

44:21

Yeah, and and so I would like any any direction on how to go about um trying to get a uh the change of usage once uh as well as submitting a plan.

44:32

You're talking about rezoning then, Mr.

44:34

Williams, or yeah, I I if that's what needs to be done to turn it into um uh into the into what you would like it to be.

44:46

Chief, do you know what he's talking about?

44:48

Oh thank you, madam Ted.

44:49

Yes, I think first in that case, they're probably gonna need the need the engineer up some uh map drawings.

45:00

Okay, got it.

45:01

Also they can contact the BC.

45:04

Uh and I once they provide me the photo, I will guide them to which office need to be contacted.

45:12

Uh and yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be processed, but it can be done.

45:17

Okay, understood.

45:18

So, Mr.

45:19

Williams, yes, uh, it can be done.

45:21

Just continue to work with uh B seed um and and herd.

45:25

You don't want to invest in something if you're looking to change it later.

45:28

Um, but if you begin to share those plans with BC, then you guys um should be able to work on that together moving forward.

45:36

Um and do you have any other questions for us?

45:39

No, ma'am.

45:40

Okay, of course.

45:42

Thank you for the work that you're doing.

45:44

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw Viscur?

45:47

Motion to concur.

45:48

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw one two zero zero zero viscer from the demolition list.

45:55

Thank you, Mr.

45:56

Williams.

45:56

We will now hear from Casinometry, followed by followed by iPhone, followed by iPhone, Casinometry.

46:04

Can you hear us?

46:11

Oh yes, hello.

46:13

Can you hear us?

46:14

Oh, can you hear me?

46:15

Yes, we can.

46:16

Which property are you calling us about?

46:18

Oh, hello.

46:22

You guys hear me?

46:23

Hello?

46:24

We can.

46:25

Can you hear us?

46:30

Oh, you know what's crazy?

46:32

We can hear you.

46:34

Can you hear us?

46:38

Oh no.

46:39

Are you are they still unmuted?

46:40

They are yeah.

46:43

Um they might have uh hello, can you hear us?

46:47

Casonometry.

46:55

I wish I had a sign.

46:56

We can hear you.

46:58

Um yeah, I can see you.

47:03

I can hear you.

47:04

I can yes.

47:05

You can't hear us.

47:06

Here you are.

47:07

Yeah, I can't hear you.

47:08

I don't know.

47:09

I can't hear anything.

47:09

What do I we hear you?

47:14

We can hear you.

47:16

We're good.

47:20

Your volume might not be high, your audio might not be on, but we can hear you.

47:28

Oh no, we're gonna have to go back, I think.

47:30

Uh so casonometry, not sure why you can't hear us, but we can hear you, and we do have more callers.

47:37

So I'm gonna go to the next caller and we'll come back to you.

47:41

Uh I'm so sorry, Casinometry.

47:43

Um, but going back to iPhone followed by followed by Sean Lyons.

47:49

Followed by Sean Lyons.

47:51

iPhone, can you hear us?

48:00

iPhone our phone.

48:08

If you can hear us, we cannot hear you.

48:13

And unfortunately, I might have to add you to the bottom of the queue as well.

48:19

Which I know is not fun.

48:21

Yeah, to the chair.

48:22

They've been asked to unmute, but they still have to unmute themselves, please.

48:26

Okay, iPhone.

48:28

IPhone going once, iPhone going twice.

48:34

IPhone, I'm gonna add you to the bottom as well.

48:39

We will hear from Sean Lyons.

48:41

Can you hear us?

48:44

Yes, I can.

48:46

Wonderful.

48:46

So Sean, thank you for being with us.

48:48

We are gonna hear after Sean, we're gonna hear from Nadine.

48:54

From Nadine.

48:55

Sean, thank you for calling in.

48:56

Which property are you calling us about?

48:58

20534 Westbrook.

49:01

Westbrook.

49:03

This property 2054 534.

49:08

2053 Westbrook has been withdrawn.

49:11

Uh so thank you, Sean, for addressing the issues on this property.

49:15

It is no longer being deemed dangerous.

49:18

Wonder chief, are there any notes for Westbrook that you have for us?

49:22

Uh thank you, madam chair.

49:25

Uh no, this property.

49:27

I think near some landscaping yard.

49:31

Uh and we found the property on a weapon secure and maintained.

49:36

So I do not have do not have any uh notes about that.

49:41

Okay, thank you.

49:42

So thank you, Sean, for addressing the issues on this property.

49:46

Seeing no other questions or comments from my colleagues, is there a motion to concur to withdraw 2053 Westbrook?

49:54

Motion hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw Westbrook from the demolition list.

50:00

Thank you, Sean.

50:00

Do you have any questions for us?

50:02

No, I do not.

50:03

Wonderful.

50:03

Have a blessed day.

50:04

Thank you.

50:05

Too we will hear next from Nadine, followed by followed by Jerobathis.

50:12

Followed by Jerob.

50:14

Nadine, can you hear us?

50:16

I can.

50:16

Wonderful.

50:17

Which property are you calling us about Nadine?

50:26

Sorry, you cut off.

50:28

Hello.

50:29

Yes, we can hear you.

50:32

This is Jirah Matthis.

50:33

Oh, hi Gerab.

50:34

We're gonna go to you next.

50:36

Um you're on deck.

50:37

One second.

50:38

So sorry.

50:39

We're speaking with Nadine right now.

50:40

Nadine, can you still hear us?

50:42

I can.

50:43

I I got cut off.

50:44

All good.

50:45

Which property again?

50:46

19353 Trinity.

50:49

Trinity.

50:53

This property has also been withdrawn.

50:56

Thank you, Nadine, for addressing the issues that made this dangerous.

51:00

Chief, are there any notes for 1935 3 Trinity?

51:05

Uh thank you, madam chair.

51:07

Uh yeah, this property we did see that is vacant and secure.

51:13

It is under repair, but they need to pull permit.

51:17

I I need to verify that permit uh for the repair they're doing.

51:22

Okay, thank you, Chief.

51:24

Thank you, Chief.

51:25

So Nadine, thank you for securing the property as as was suggested and urged by the chief just to pull permits as you're continuing to do the work, okay?

51:35

Thank you.

51:35

Thank you.

51:36

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw 19353 Trinity?

51:41

Motion.

51:42

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw Trinity from our demo list.

51:47

Jarab, you are up next, followed by followed by iPhone.

51:53

I'm gonna go back to iPhone after Gerald.

51:55

Can you hear us?

51:57

Yes.

51:58

Wonderful.

52:01

Great.

52:01

Which property are you calling us about?

52:04

19456, Coventry.

52:07

Awesome.

52:08

This has also been withdrawn.

52:10

So it's no longer being deemed dangerous.

52:13

You've done the work to secure it.

52:14

Thank you.

52:15

Chief, any notes for this property.

52:22

Uh thank you, madam chair.

52:24

I think we had some communication with uh property owner regarding on this.

52:29

Uh they have to I think they have to apply for the vacant property ordinance registration on this property.

52:38

Okay, understood.

52:40

And you've been in communication.

52:42

Okay.

52:43

So draw up again if you can uh register this property as vacant.

52:49

Um and then discontinue to do what you're doing to the property to maintain it.

52:53

Thank you.

52:54

If you have any questions, you can always email BC as well.

52:58

Okay.

52:59

Okay.

53:00

Is uh did I already ask for a motion?

53:04

I don't believe so.

53:05

Did we withdraw this already?

53:07

No, we didn't.

53:10

Concur with the findings.

53:11

Is there a motion to concur?

53:13

Motion to concur.

53:14

We agree to withdraw 19456 Coventry.

53:20

All right.

53:21

We are going back to iPhone.

53:24

iPhone, can you hear us?

53:28

Yes.

53:29

Wonderful.

53:29

We can hear you as well.

53:31

Which property are you calling us about?

53:33

Uh the property of 2016, Yakama.

53:37

Oh, you call me that's the last one.

53:41

This is the fifth property under the 14th block.

53:44

Uh, this is being ordered demolished.

53:47

We will turn it over to BC to hear why.

53:50

Uh, but I'm wondering, are you looking to keep or demolish the property?

53:54

Uh I'm looking to keep it.

53:56

Um back in June.

53:58

I complied with the order that they asked me to uh clear out the backyard and uh put a board on this so just I'll put a board up there, but I guess like the wind and all that kept knocking it down, but um yeah, uh I'm looking to keep it if it's possible.

54:24

Okay, and then just so you know, it got a little choppy.

54:28

Yes, I think there might be some signal issues on on your end.

54:33

You might need to either join or disconnect from because I'm yeah, I'm sorry, I'm at work.

54:38

Yeah, so just so you know it is.

54:41

I'm at work on the step outside.

54:43

Okay, okay.

54:57

Can you hear me?

54:58

We can, yeah.

55:00

signal issues on on your end you might need to either join or disconnect from because I'm out yeah I'm sorry I'm at work yeah so just so you know it is I'm at work I'm gonna step outside okay okay see if I can step outside can you hear me we can yeah so let's try to while we still have you uh talk through this so um chief what needs to be addressed for these property uh for this property thank you madam chair uh on uh february twenty fifth we inspected this property for this particular hearing we found one and a half story plane one family dwelling we're gonna open to trespass elements throughout yard not maintained dwelling not maintained missing windows determining and that's what we are here print of this committee understood thank you chief and uh I'm sorry I don't know your name iPhone Dana I'm sorry I'm sorry Dana Hutz I'm sorry Dana no worries okay so um you mentioned you want to keep the property what are your plans are you looking to remodel sell rent wait the back door no the back door my back door is not missing there is there there are openings so that's why um and this is from February of this year do you know if you've gone to the property since then yeah I was just over there checking on okay well I I think it's it's time to go again and that's why um the property is here um so if you're looking to keep um it does need to be resecured again um but then as the chief mentioned and suggested if it's gonna be vacant you should register it as a vacant property or if you're looking to sell or rehab to try to get to that sooner rather than later because again um vacant properties um are targets um to to to vandalism here um so are you still willing to move forward with this project yes okay I can get it right on top of that I didn't okay that are there questions or comments from a colleagues on yakima six seven yeah comment no okay it sounds like there are no other comments or concerns sir you want more time is there a motion to send this property back to B seed motion to send it back hearing no objections you will send yakima back to B seed um and then sir yes as quickly as possible if you can resecure and then as you've been hearing in this in this hearing um register as vacant or try to get it back um live as quickly as possible so that you can avoid um being here again okay I appreciate it no problem we appreciate you so there was a motion to send this back to B seed uh then it has the information now to address the issues good luck sir thank you very much thank you I will now move us along to go back to castinometry yes it's the last hand raised okay castonometry can you hear us yeah yeah I can hear you can you hear me yes we can okay there we go wonderful what is the property that you're calling us about 5311 C bolt S E E B A L D T bolts okay it's which one 5311 is 128 12 eight okay this is the eighth property under the 12th block um 5311 C bolts is being ordered demolished we will hear from B seed as to why but are you oh this is a beautiful property um you're looking to keep I'm assuming and not demolish absolutely I I'm trying to figure out why y'all put it on the list in the first place because of the tire I know I I had a couple I moved the tire I had a cut I had a couple of openings in the back and I boarded it up okay so well let's figure it out because it wasn't me either so let's let's figure out why that's the case uh to B seed why is this in this committee again what needs to be addressed thank you madam chair uh we had inspected this property for particular this year on February 20th we found the two story frame single family dwelling we're gonna open two element at the rear door the yard is not maintained with overgrowth and that's what we are here front of this committee uh to casinometry are you looking to occupy the space soon yeah absolutely absolutely when what's the timeline for occupancy I'm looking to start rehabbing it it's it just needs some cosmetics if the inside is not bad it's not I mean it's not that bad so I'm looking to start rehabbing it the air as early as May I was starting May maybe the end of April but I I both I put the board I boarded up the openings if I and and remove the debris so I I sent the pictures to the email already.

1:00:01

But I I bought I put the board, I boarded up the openings if I and remove the debris.

1:00:07

So I sent the pictures to the email already.

1:00:10

Okay.

1:00:11

I'm hoping y'all can just withdraw it, because I'm trying to figure out how did I even make it to this list.

1:00:16

This is my I seen these houses.

1:00:19

My houses don't, my house don't look nothing like that.

1:00:23

I I hear you.

1:00:24

And I see new windows, fairly new, you know, doors.

1:00:29

Like this and this one.

1:00:31

I I hear you, sir.

1:00:32

And I agree.

1:00:34

I I do believe that you just need more time and that you are doing um what you can.

1:00:39

And B seed is doing their job in just uh flagging the issues that currently stands.

1:00:44

Um so if you're able to secure the property and what's and what's still needed and occupy this quickly, um we can give you more time.

1:00:51

So what that would mean is that we would send this back to B seed, and similarly with the other cases, you would take pictures of all four sides of the outside um showing that you've secured the property and send that over to them while you continue to do your job.

1:01:05

Um you can look at the email now.

1:01:07

It's probably that you already sent it.

1:01:09

Okay, well, then if that's the case, is there a motion to send what are we discussing here?

1:01:17

I have all of my 831 seat vault.

1:01:21

Five.

1:01:22

Oh, yeah, C bolts.

1:01:23

Is there a motion to send seabalts back to B seed?

1:01:26

Motion Hearing no objections.

1:01:27

We agree to send 5311 C bolts back to B seed.

1:01:31

Sorry, I had already put B seed on my notes, so I thought I would already happen.

1:01:36

It had not understood.

1:01:37

Okay, so Catinometry, sir.

1:01:40

What is your name?

1:01:41

My name is Mohammed White.

1:01:42

Mohammed, that's a cool name.

1:01:44

Is that for your company?

1:01:46

Uh no, cosinometry is my company.

1:01:48

But that's what I meant.

1:01:53

Castinometry is a very cool name.

1:01:55

So just wanted to give that shout out.

1:02:00

But okay, thank you, uh, Mohammed for the work that you're doing on the property.

1:02:05

You'll thank you for sending over the images.

1:02:07

I believe we're all set here unless you have any questions for us.

1:02:11

So what does that mean?

1:02:12

What is B seed exactly?

1:02:13

What does that mean?

1:02:15

B seed stands for building safety engineering environments departments.

1:02:19

Um, and they are the departments um that goes around the city to make sure that our properties are being maintained.

1:02:28

Um, so this hearing that you went through, and and I hear what you have to say around why is my property here and not other properties that we've seen in the city um that are in worse condition.

1:02:39

Um, but this process is one to hold uh property owners accountable to maintain their properties so that they don't um get into dangerous conditions.

1:02:49

Um so that's what they stand for, and that is one of the roles that they play.

1:02:54

Okay, so I heard y'all say withdrawal on the other properties.

1:02:57

What do I need to get them get a withdrawal?

1:02:59

Uh good question.

1:03:00

So they were withdrawn because they had already addressed the issues to BC.

1:03:04

So those folks had already sent over those pictures, they had already told B seed, hey, we secured the openings, uh, we took care of the overgrowth here, the pictures.

1:03:14

B seed said you're right, that's enough for us to withdraw it.

1:03:17

So that's the step that you're in right now.

1:03:19

Once you send them the pictures, once they've seen it's been secured, then they would withdraw it and and they would let you know.

1:03:25

So is there any way y'all can check the email now and withdraw it?

1:03:28

No, sir.

1:03:29

We unfortunately have to head out.

1:03:31

These are only for hearings.

1:03:32

Um, it's not for the process of reviewing the documents of um the the follow-ups, unfortunately.

1:03:40

But it sounds like you should be okay, sir.

1:03:42

It sounds like you you've done what you had to do.

1:03:44

I know you want the the the assurance of it being removed today, but we wouldn't be able to do that because it has to be inspected again by B seed.

1:03:52

Okay, so when when is the next review?

1:03:56

I'm not sure that again is uh a role of B seed and their inspectors.

1:04:00

Um, but these happen pretty regularly.

1:04:03

Um so if you're if you are already sent over your information, I'm gonna assume an inspector will be over your property soon, sooner rather than later.

1:04:12

Okay, okay.

1:04:13

I heard you say something about April.

1:04:15

April, there'll be another hearing.

1:04:17

We are gonna have another hearing, sir, and and you would want to make sure you're not here for that hearing.

1:04:22

Um, but we have these regularly, as I mentioned, one of BC's role is to um identify any dangerous buildings throughout the city, and there are many buildings, many property owners.

1:04:32

So we will be back here in April to look at those properties, and hopefully not yours.

1:04:37

Okay, so do they contact me or do will I contact you guys?

1:04:40

You will go through the process of emailing B seed and BC will continue to contact you.

1:04:45

Oh, okay, so they'll respond to the email I sent.

1:04:48

Yes, sir.

1:04:49

All right, thanks.

1:04:50

Thanks a lot.

1:04:52

All right, well, thank you for the questions.

1:04:53

Thanks for calling in.

1:04:55

Um, I will now hand it over back to Miss Evangelista.

1:04:59

Are we all set?

1:05:00

Correct.

1:05:01

There are no more hand raised.

1:05:02

Okay.

1:05:03

If anyone else is tuned in and you would like to.

1:05:12

Sorry, I just saw that.

1:05:16

Sorry.

1:05:16

Some good news.

1:05:17

Anyways, all right.

1:05:18

So we're gonna keep moving on.

1:05:20

Uh to the rest of the uh properties here.

1:05:25

Um, if you are tuning in and you are here for a hearing and you um have not raised your hand yet, you were too shy, please raise your hands now.

1:05:33

Um we will stop what we're doing and have a hearing um before we close for the day.

1:05:38

Um, but until then, we will go through the rest of the properties.

1:05:41

Um madam chair.

1:05:43

Oh, yes, member waters.

1:05:45

All right, so um member Miller requested that we pull certain addresses from from the sheet.

1:05:53

She wants an opportunity to drive through her district to review them.

1:05:57

Okay.

1:05:57

To take a look herself, so I can give you those addresses if you now, or you just want to wait until I go to the block.

1:06:04

Um let's go through these by line items.

1:06:09

Okay, and then you can flag um if one you want to send back to BC.

1:06:13

Okay.

1:06:13

And then chief, I also have some from our council president.

1:06:16

Uh so I've got some lists from council president as well.

1:06:20

Okay, they would like to see some um properties just held back for them to review.

1:06:25

All right.

1:06:26

Um, but oh, madam, you're flagging, and these are all gonna be going back.

1:06:32

So you're gonna the the motion is changing to return to BC, or are they not gonna no changes?

1:06:38

Nope, nothing is changing.

1:06:39

We're moving forward with the regular process, and in the process, we're gonna identify which properties will be sent back to BC.

1:06:46

Okay, so I'm asking for clarity because I'm gonna send them their resolution.

1:06:50

So either they're gonna be returning back to the jurisdiction opposed to the result that's here.

1:06:56

If we if that's what we vote on, yes.

1:06:58

Okay, correct.

1:06:59

Thank you.

1:07:00

Correct.

1:07:00

That's it's that's if we decide to move forward with whatever council says.

1:07:04

Okay.

1:07:05

Okay, so from the top, oh yes.

1:07:07

We do have a hand raised.

1:07:08

Oh, we do have a hand raised.

1:07:10

Sorry, okay.

1:07:11

Um, who is the caller?

1:07:13

Who's the caller?

1:07:14

Caller is Tim Drakeford.

1:07:16

Tim, if you can hear us, you are up next.

1:07:28

Tim, if you can hear us.

1:07:31

We cannot hear you.

1:07:32

I can hear you.

1:07:33

Okay.

1:07:34

Which property are you calling us about?

1:07:37

West Verner.

1:07:40

Is this a property that you own that's on the hearings today?

1:07:44

Um I'm here because it was uh I'm working with I'm with working with the owner regarding it.

1:07:50

It was uh we're waiting on historical.

1:07:53

And he again a dangerous building order or the case address is 4101 West Verner.

1:08:01

I'm the demo contractor.

1:08:03

We have pulled all the necessary permits.

1:08:05

We're waiting for historical to give us the report.

1:08:08

Uh give us approval.

1:08:10

We've been waiting for October.

1:08:13

Okay, thanks, Tim.

1:08:14

So we do have that.

1:08:16

So you said it's 4101 West Werner.

1:08:20

Yes.

1:08:20

Okay.

1:08:21

The DNG number is 2025.

1:08:23

Oh, no, no, me, Tim.

1:08:25

You're good, you're good, you're good.

1:08:26

I just wanted to confirm the address.

1:08:29

Um, so just so you know, that property has been withdrawn.

1:08:32

So it is not going to be sent for demolition.

1:08:37

Yeah, we're just waiting on historical.

1:08:38

We did the battle to get down with historical.

1:08:40

If Mr.

1:08:41

Patel and them can write us a letter to go with our our documentation, help us expedit us to get this building out.

1:08:48

Okay.

1:08:49

So it sounds like we're all on the same page.

1:08:51

Okay.

1:08:52

Thank you, Tim.

1:08:53

Anything else?

1:08:55

No, no, thank you.

1:08:57

Thank you for everything.

1:08:58

Thank you.

1:08:59

Okay.

1:09:00

So is there a motion to concur to withdraw West Werner?

1:09:03

Motion.

1:09:04

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw 4101 West Werner.

1:09:09

Thank you, Tim.

1:09:10

Thank you, Stephanie.

1:09:11

There's one more.

1:09:12

There's one more.

1:09:13

Who do we have next?

1:09:14

Um, that is caller ending in 081.

1:09:17

081 caller ending in 081.

1:09:20

Can you hear us?

1:09:26

Caller ending in 081.

1:09:31

801.

1:09:32

801.

1:09:33

Oh, I apologize.

1:09:34

801.

1:09:35

Can you hear us?

1:09:41

Caller ending in 801.

1:09:43

Can you hear us?

1:09:44

Oh, yes.

1:09:46

Hi, can you hear me?

1:09:47

This is Brian.

1:09:48

Yes, Brian.

1:09:49

Which property are you calling us about?

1:09:52

Oh, thank you.

1:09:53

Blessings.

1:09:54

16165 wash burn.

1:10:00

This is the eighth property under the 13th block.

1:10:04

16165 Wash Burn is being ordered demolished.

1:10:09

So we're gonna turn it over to BC to hear as to why.

1:10:13

Uh but Brian, are you looking to keep or demolish the property?

1:10:18

Um not only to keep it, but we've already um boarded it up and satisfied what was requested.

1:10:24

I said spoken to um Rhonda and Yvonne.

1:10:28

And the email is sent on uh Friday.

1:10:31

Also, we've registered the property as we can.

1:10:34

Okay and the email is confirmed to be received by Ronda as well.

1:10:38

Okay, thank you, Brian.

1:10:40

If that's the case, I do believe we feel comfortable sending this back to B seed.

1:10:45

Um, if there's a motion to do so, hearing no objections, one six one six five wash burn will be sent back to B seed.

1:10:53

Um, Brian, this means that they're gonna go back and inspect once that you've gone through uh once they reviewed your pictures and then let you know next steps.

1:11:01

But you should be all set if you address their issues.

1:11:05

Thank you so much.

1:11:06

I appreciate it.

1:11:07

No problem.

1:11:08

Thank you.

1:11:09

Any other hands?

1:11:11

No other hands.

1:11:12

All right.

1:11:13

Well, you know what to do if I keep going.

1:11:15

Thank you.

1:11:16

We will go back to the ninth block for the ninth block.

1:11:27

1845 20th Street is being ordered demolished.

1:11:32

5114 Belfort is being ordered demolished.

1:11:37

16549 Beaverland is being withdrawn as well as 2030 Beltmore.

1:11:46

3751 Clements is being ordered demolished.

1:11:50

We agree to withdraw 19456 Coventry 5042 daily is being ordered demolished, 5685 FOST is being withdrawn 16840 Fenton.

1:12:10

Yes, 1961 Glendale.

1:12:13

We're flagging it to return to uh BC all right.

1:12:18

Okay, member waters.

1:12:19

If that's the case, I would also like to include 16840 Fenton to be sent back to BC.

1:12:26

That's the flag from our council presidents.

1:12:29

Hearing no objections, 16840 Fenton and 1961 Glendale will be sent back to BC.

1:12:38

Hearing no other objections or comments, is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations for the ninth block?

1:12:45

Motion hearing no objections, we agree with the remaining recommendations under the 10th block, 444 East Grand Boulevard is being ordered demolished.

1:12:55

Motion to return to BC.

1:12:56

There's been a motion to return 444 East Grand Boulevard to B seed.

1:13:01

Hearing no objections, this will be sent back for a cost analysis.

1:13:06

Motion to return 456 East Grand Boulevard to BC.

1:13:10

There's a motion to resent to send 50, excuse me, 46.

1:13:16

It's been a long day.

1:13:18

456 East Grand Boulevard back to B seed.

1:13:22

Hearing no objections, Spotty will do so.

1:13:26

The third property 4548 Harding is being ordered demolished.

1:13:40

Is being ordered demolished.

1:13:42

We agreed to withdraw 17240 Hoover.

1:13:46

17614 Huntington is being withdrawn.

1:13:57

Thank you.

1:13:58

19417 is also being withdrawn.

1:14:01

Madam Chair.

1:14:02

Yes.

1:14:03

Uh number nine 1300 La Salle.

1:14:07

Motion to return to BC.

1:14:09

Hearing no objections, 1300.

1:14:12

LaSalle is going to be sent back to B seed for a cost analysis.

1:14:17

4526 Lily Bridge is being ordered demolished.

1:14:23

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

1:14:26

Motion.

1:14:27

Hearing no objections, we agree with the remaining recommendations for the 10th block.

1:14:30

For the 11th block, the following properties are being ordered demolished.

1:14:36

13136 Maiden.

1:15:00

19558 Pelkey is being sent back to B seed.

1:15:05

20052 Pelkeys being ordered demolished.

1:15:10

We agree that 3014 Pennsylvania will be demolished.

1:15:18

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

1:15:21

Pause on that motion.

1:15:22

Chief.

1:15:28

It's being ordered demo.

1:15:30

Yeah, it is it a command order.

1:15:32

Okay.

1:15:32

On our notes, it says withdrawn, but for clarity, it's going to be ordered demo.

1:15:38

Are there any objections?

1:15:40

If not, is there a motion to concur with the recommendations?

1:15:44

Motion you you were talking about.

1:15:46

Which one was he talking about?

1:15:48

30 7536 Melton.

1:15:51

And we don't have a note for that, so I think we're going to be okay with that.

1:15:55

Okay.

1:15:56

Yeah.

1:15:57

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

1:16:00

Motion.

1:16:01

Hearing no objections, we agree with the remaining recommendations for the 11th block.

1:16:05

For the 12th block.

1:16:07

7246 Prairie is being withdrawn.

1:16:13

Is being ordered demolished.

1:16:15

We agree to send 18625 revere back to B seed as well as one.

1:16:21

Um Madam Chair.

1:16:23

One second, Member Waters.

1:16:25

We also agreed to send back 14912 Rockdale to B seed.

1:16:29

Member Waters.

1:16:31

Motion to return 9100 Quincy to BC.

1:16:36

Oh, okay.

1:16:37

There's a motion to send 9100 Quincy back to B seed for cost analysis.

1:16:43

Hearing no objections, we will do so.

1:16:46

Back to the remaining recommendations.

1:16:52

Is being withdrawn.

1:17:00

Thank you for cost analysis.

1:17:03

We will do so.

1:17:06

5030 C Belt is being withdrawn.

1:17:15

15740 Southfield is being withdrawn.

1:17:21

And 1207 Springwells.

1:17:25

Chief, what is 1270?

1:17:28

Oh, 1207 Springwells.

1:17:31

70.

1:17:32

I'm so sorry.

1:17:32

Thank you, Member Waters.

1:17:33

Okay.

1:17:34

1270 Springwells.

1:17:36

Is this to withdraw or with or order demo?

1:17:40

Which one?

1:17:41

The Springwell.

1:17:43

Springwells.

1:17:43

1270 Springwells.

1:17:45

Withdraw?

1:17:46

Yeah.

1:17:47

Withdraw.

1:17:48

Okay.

1:17:48

All right.

1:17:49

Perfect.

1:17:50

Thank you.

1:17:50

There's a motion to agree with the remaining recommendations for the 12th block.

1:17:55

Hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations for the 12th block.

1:17:59

Noting Springwells was withdrawn.

1:18:01

Okay.

1:18:02

For the 13th block.

1:18:05

13430 Tacoma is being ordered demolished.

1:18:09

19353 Trinity is being withdrawn.

1:18:16

Demolished.

1:18:21

We agree to withdraw 4101 West Werner and 1200 Visker.

1:18:29

1975 Waltham is being ordered demolished.

1:18:33

And we are sending 16165 Washburn back to B seed.

1:18:37

20534 Westbrook is being withdrawn.

1:18:41

And we agree to withdraw.

1:18:47

Demolished.

1:18:48

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

1:18:50

Motion.

1:18:51

Hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations for the 13th block.

1:18:55

Any other hands?

1:18:56

Smith Evangelista.

1:18:58

Madam Chair, there are no hands raised.

1:19:00

For the last block, thank you.

1:19:02

The last block we have 19396 Westphilia is being ordered demolished.

1:19:08

20015 West Philia is being withdrawn.

1:19:16

I would like to send 17366 Woodmine back to B seed.

1:19:21

Motion.

1:19:22

Hearing no objections, this will be sent back for cost analysis.

1:19:25

And we agree to send 2016 Yakama back to B seed.

1:19:30

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

1:19:34

Motion.

1:19:34

Hearing no objections, we agree with the remaining recommendations.

1:19:38

Seeing nobody else here in person or online for a hearing, we are now adjourned.

1:19:43

Thank you all.

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Summary of Proceedings

Public Health and Safety Committee Dangerous Buildings Hearing - March 2, 2026

The Public Health and Safety Standing Committee convened on Monday, March 2, 2026, to conduct administrative appeal hearings for approximately 50 properties listed as dangerous by the Department of Building Safety, Environmental, and Engineering (BSED). The agenda focused on determining whether to order demolitions, defer actions to allow owners time to repair, or withdraw properties from the list after issues were resolved. Council members emphasized the need for prompt action on vacant and dilapidated structures while engaging with property owners to explore rehabilitation options.

Consent Calendar

  • Routine administrative introductions by the Chair, Clerk, and Administration regarding the hearing process and deferral procedures.
  • Confirmation that all necessary procedural steps for moving properties through the hearing pipeline were followed.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Sam Jasner (Detroit Rental): Expressed full intent to keep and rehabilitate property 18625 Revere. Jasner argued he was confused by the hearing as he believed a Vacant Certificate of Fitness (CFC) was recently completed. He stated he has been in contact with the department but noted a lack of response from Director Patel, attributing some maintenance issues to a contract with a previous contractor that "ran off." Jasner committed to beginning repairs within weeks.
  • Elador Hawkins: Expressed commitment to retaining property 14912 Rockdale Street despite extensive fire damage from February 2025. Hawkins stated they have completed interior work (insulation replacement) and are financially struggling but plan to address exterior repairs, citing weather constraints. He acknowledged the need to act quickly to avoid demolition, noting that properties with fire damage often sit for years before being demolished.
  • Sabat (Bot): Stated full compliance regarding property 17240 Hoover Street. He argued that issues were already addressed, though noted he applied for vacant property registration due to inexperience and received a citation for a previous late submission, which he is contesting. He confirmed work is being completed within three weeks.
  • Gloria Wow (Nonprofit): Expressed the organization's intent to demolish the remaining foundational floors of property 3014 Pennsylvania Street rather than rehabilitate it. Wow argued the property was intentionally secured with a fence and junk fill after a 2023 deconstruction training to prevent public harm while lacking funds. The organization claims to have secured funding and a general contractor to finish demolition by mid-April, seeking to avoid city-imposed liens.
  • Trisha & Steven Couch: Expressed a desire to keep property 19558 Pelky, owned by Trisha's mother. Trisha argued that her brother, who is between jobs, was unable to secure the property earlier but is now employed and ready to act. Steven Couch (joined via phone) confirmed he could secure openings within one to two weeks. The group aims to clean, secure, and sell the property afterward.
  • Kevin Williams: Expressed intent to renovate property 1200 Visgar (formerly a doctor's office) into low-income housing. He argued that the property is mostly secure but requires siding repairs and a change of use permit. He requested guidance on the rezoning or change of usage process.
  • Casinometry (Mohammed White): Expressed strong support for keeping property 5311 C Bolt and argued against its inclusion on the dangerous list, stating the tire issue was previously addressed and the property was boarded. White claimed he has already sent photos of the secured property and is starting cosmetic rehabilitation in May, requesting an immediate withdrawal.
  • Dana Hutz: Expressed intent to keep property 2016 Yakama, noting that wind damage has knocked down previous boarding efforts. Hutz argued he is willing to resecure the property immediately and register it as vacant if necessary.
  • Tim Drakeford (Contractor): Expressed intent to expedite the demolition of 4101 West Werner. He argued that all permits are pulled and they are only waiting on a historical report, requesting a letter from the City to assist in expediting the process beyond their current wait of three months.
  • Brian: Expressed that property 16165 Washburn has been fully secured and registered as vacant. He argued that all requested actions have been completed and photos have been sent to the department, seeking confirmation that the property is no longer a danger.
  • Member Waters & Member Miller: Expressed a position supporting a review of specific property lists (including addresses like 16840 Fenton and 1961 Glendale) to drive through their districts before final voting.

Discussion Items

  • 18625 Revere: Chair and Councilmember Waters discussed the owner's claim of good standing versus visible code violations (collapsing patio, holes in roof). Councilmember Waters raised concerns about a property owner managing over 1,000 homes having one in such disrepair. The committee agreed to defer demolition, requiring the owner to send photos of progress.
  • 14912 Rockdale Street: Discussion centered on the timeline for exterior repairs following a fire. The Chair cautioned against years of delay common in fire-damaged cases. The committee deferred action, emphasizing that the property cannot remain exposed for a long period and required photos of both interior and exterior progress.
  • 17240 Hoover Street: The Committee discussed the owner's citation for a late initial filing. Although the owner argued for dismissal due to it being a first-time mistake, the Chair noted citations would continue accruing if unpaid. The property was withdrawn from the list as issues were addressed.
  • 3014 Pennsylvania Street: A significant discussion occurred regarding the nonprofit's plan to demolish foundations. Councilmember Waters and the Chair emphasized the need to act before the city to avoid liens. The committee agreed to allow the nonprofit to proceed if they provided contract copies and permit applications by mid-April.
  • 19558 Pelky: The Council moved to bring the brother onto the line due to his involvement. The Chair set a strict deadline for securing openings (1-2 weeks) rather than the requested month, warning that failure to act would result in a return to the committee.
  • 1200 Visgar: The Committee discussed the feasibility of changing the property's usage from a medical office to housing. Chief Patel advised the owner to submit photos and contact the appropriate departments for engineering drawings and zoning changes.
  • 5311 C Bolt: The Committee clarified the difference between "withdrawn" (issues resolved and verified) and "sent back to BSED" (more time granted). The committee sent the property back to BSED, noting an upcoming hearing in April should issues not be verified by an inspector.
  • General Block Reviews: The Committee reviewed lists for blocks 9 through 14, with Council members flagging specific properties (e.g., 16840 Fenton, 1961 Glendale, 444 East Grand Blvd) for cost analysis or further review by the Council President.

Key Outcomes

  • Demolition Orders Confirmed: 13136 Maiden, 20052 Pelkey, 444 East Grand Boulevard, 4548 Harding, 1207 Springwells, 13430 Tacoma, 1975 Waltham, 19396 Westphilia, and 20015 Westphilia were ordered for demolition. (Note: 20015 Westphilia was listed as withdrawn in the transcript but confirmed as ordered demolition in the motion section).
  • Deferrals (Sent Back to BSED): 18625 Revere, 14912 Rockdale Street, 19558 Pelkey, 5311 C Bolt, 2016 Yakama, 16165 Washburn, 17366 Woodmine, 9100 Quincy, 1300 LaSalle, and 16840 Fenton were sent back to the Building Safety, Environmental, and Engineering Department for cost analysis, progress verification, or time to resolve issues.
  • Withdrawals (Issues Resolved): 17240 Hoover, 1200 Visgar, 20534 Westbrook, 19353 Trinity, 19456 Coventry, 4101 West Werner, 7246 Prairie, 5030 C Belt, 15740 Southfield, 17614 Huntington, 19417, 7246 Prairie, 1975 Waltham (partial confusion in text, but West Werner and Visker confirmed withdrawn), 19456 Coventry (reiterated), 5685 FOST, 20534 Westbrook, 1207 Springwells, 4101 West Werner, 1200 Visgar, 20534 Westbrook, 19353 Trinity, 19456 Coventry, 7246 Prairie, 5030 C Belt, 15740 Southfield, 20534 Westbrook.
  • Directives and Next Steps:
    • Property owners granted time must take pictures of all four sides of the property and submit them to the BSED email (visible on screen) to verify progress.
    • Nonprofit owners must submit contract copies and permit applications to BSED to flag properties and prevent city liens.
    • The next dangerous buildings hearing is scheduled for late April.
    • Council members are to review specific addresses (e.g., from Council President) before finalizing block resolutions.

Meeting Transcript

I would like to call to order our public health and safety standing committee for the purposes of our dangerous buildings hearings for today. Monday, March 2nd, 2026. May the clerk please call the rule. Councilmember Gabriela Santiago Romero. Present. Councilmember Denzel Anton McCampbell. Present. Councilmember Mary Waters. Present. Madam Chair, you have a quorum present. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Given a quorum, we'll go right into the hearings for today. I will turn it over to the administration first to share with the public what it is that they can expect today before we turn it over to the legislative policy division. Uh to the administration. For owners of property here today, if city council orders your building to be demolished, you have the opportunity to go to the building safety, environmental, and engineering department located in room 418 and request a deferral of the demolition order. This means that you must do the following. One, provide proof of ownership or interest in the property. Two, pay all required inspection fees. Three, secure all openings on your building from trespass and the elements and remove all exterior debris, abandoned vehicles, and overgrowth. Four, pay or make arrangements regarding any delinquent city taxes. Five, obtain the necessary permits to bring your building into compliance with all applicable codes. And six, submit a completed deferral application. Thank you. Thank you. To BC. Oh, excuse me, to LPD. Thank you, madam chair. In addition to the important information that the administration's representatives just provided about the nature and incidents of these hearings, people should be aware these are administrative appeal hearings from previous informal hearings held by members of the Department of BC who are here. And uh in order to uh they're legally required in order to proceed with demolitions for the buildings that are on the dangerous buildings list for today. Um, in order to conduct this hearing and provide due process for everybody. Representatives of the department are here with the photos and the records uh so that the committee can be fully informed of the premises. Thank you. Thank you. I'll now have BC to introduce themselves. Mr. Patel. Thank you, madam chair. My name is Dili Portel. I'm the assistant team at the building and safety department. Thank you both. All right, and for folks that might be tuned in, um, these are hearings for folks for properties that are being deemed dangerous. We have around 50 or so on the agenda for today. What we do is we try to keep the hearings to about five minutes. Usually we have 20 people plus um that either tune in in person or virtually, and we try to make this as efficient as possible. We want to respect your time in your day. So what we'll do is we are gonna ask everyone if you are online and you are here for a hearing, please raise your hands now. I don't see anyone here in person for a hearing, so I'm going to assume everyone that's for it's attending for a hearing is online. We will call on you two at a time. We and this is again for efficiency. You'll you'll understand the process as as we get into it.

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