Health and safety standing standing committee for the purposes of our dangerous buildings hearings.

May the clerk please call the roll.

Yes, good afternoon.

Councilmember Gabriela Santiago Romero.

Good afternoon, present.

Councilmember Denzel and Tom McCampbell.

Good afternoon, President.

Good afternoon.

Councilmember Mary Waters.

Madam Chair, we have quorum.

Thank you, Madam Clerk.

Given a quorum, we'll go into our session for today for our dangerous buildings hearings.

I do want to thank and apologize to the administration for my rudeness.

I asked for your help and then I forgot to call you in regarding our status of tree pickup and tree removal.

I believe Mr.

Doherty might be on with us from the administration.

Do we still have anyone from GSD?

Oh, I see we have, if you wouldn't mind setting your name and title uh for the public.

Uh good afternoon, Madam Chair.

Jarel Harris, Deputy Director, General Services Department.

Thank you for joining us, Deputy.

Again, I apologize for uh skipping over you for our our last session.

But if you wouldn't mind giving us an update on where we are with removing trees around the city, we have heard um complaints.

Um even in my neighborhood, we still have some some some piles of trees.

So we'd love to know where we are in that process.

Uh absolutely, and thank you for the opportunity to address uh the committee and to the general public.

Uh so we uh general services um along with our partners at DPW Department of Public Works continue to uh pick up tree, tree debris, limbs, branches, uh different things that fell during the storm uh 4th of July weekend.

Uh even though it was a short storm, it was extremely powerful.

Uh it knocked down several hundred trees across the city.

Uh lots of limbs came down, lots of branches came down, uh, lots of leaves and debris came down.

Uh so we are still working our way through the city to pick up uh the debris that is out there.

Uh we uh asked residents if they can to bundle what they can bundle and put on the curb side.

Uh we recognize that some things are too big to bundle.

Um, and so uh DPW will pick up what they can, and then the blight remediation team in general services will come through and also pick up what we can.

Um we ask that uh residents try to keep debris separate from trash.

Uh so if it could just be trees, limbs, branches, uh organic matter, uh yard debris uh separate from things that are truly just trash that needs to be disposed of that that's it helps us uh move through and pick up the things a little bit quicker.

Um if you can put it at the curb side, that's also uh better.

Uh try not to put it in the street if you can.

If it's already in the street and too big for you to move, uh please don't you know try to hurt yourself or go, you know, strain be too strenuous with moving it.

But if it can be placed on the curb, that will help us as well.

Uh and so we are every day we're going out uh picking up piles and debris.

Uh the best way to contact us or let us know that there's something to be picked up is to use the improved Detroit app.

Uh that is the most accurate way to send information to us.

Uh it gets into our system faster.

Uh we can geolocate where the debris is uh and and route our vehicles out to pick it up um as quickly as we can.

Um and DPW wanted to make sure that we let you know that we are not ticketing uh folks right now uh for any debris that came down during the storm.

Uh so we don't want residents to be concerned about that.

Uh but we are still working our way through.

Uh this morning we got maybe another 80 or 90 requests that came in for uh pickup.

So we know there's a lot of stuff still out there.

Uh we really are you know trying to get to it as quickly as possible.

Uh it was just kind of uh um an overwhelming amount of uh debris uh that came down during this last storm, but uh we are still actively working our way through the city to pick up everything that we can.

Okay, thank you, Deputy.

I appreciate this.

Um we'll continue to encourage uh my neighbors to use improved Detroit to be able to identify any issues that remain, and thank you for letting us know that you will not be ticketing.

Um that was one of my main questions as well.

Is if folks can um if we're gonna be in the clear for now while we while we clear up the trees.

Yes, ma'am.

Okay, thank you.

Vice chair.

Thank you.

Uh Deputy Director, thank you for being on good afternoon.

Um a few questions.

Are you all are you going district by district with the cleanup or um is it?

Yeah.

Uh are you going district by district with the cleanup or what's the order that you all are going in?

Uh so through the chair, uh so we go out into every district every day.

Uh we are not doing one district at a time.

Uh DPW, of course, has their fleet that goes out every day that does the yard waste collection across the city.

Uh, and then GSD.

Uh we are a smaller team, but we do send uh our crews out to maybe two or three districts a day just because we have a smaller operation.

And so we are trying to hit every district, you know, at least once or twice a week so that there isn't debris that is continuing to pile up.

We recognize that the longer debris sits out, the more likely it is that it's going to get mixed with uh non-yard waste type stuff.

And so we're trying to get to it as quickly as possible.

But just before just because of our capacity, uh GSD can't get to every district every day, but we try to get to at least uh two or three every day.

Thank you.

And do you know?

Um, I understand that there's a lot to pick up.

Uh we do have quite a few residents of D7 calling in just with uh even if it's a ballpark date or that you all are aiming to have it all picked up.

Um, you know, is aviation sub uh Barn McFarland.

We have folks curled in earlier.

Um, even in West Star Drive, there's still areas, and I'm sure in between as well.

So uh for us to be helpful and setting expectations.

Do you all have a a date that you're aiming for?

Is it a couple of weeks or or anything like that?

Yep, we uh assuming through through the chair, assuming no other storm comes, right, in the next uh few days.

Uh, we think we can be through with everything at the next 10 days.

Uh is kind of how based on the debris that we're seeing out there.

Uh, one of the challenges is that when we get a request for service, um, we will go to a location and realize that oh, there are more uh piles on the street than we anticipated.

And so we're trying not to leave things behind because it gets to be a bit inefficient.

Um that puts us a little bit behind for the other services that we had uh scheduled for that day.

So because we're trying to make sure if we're on a block and we just see six or seven more piles than we'd anticipate it, we want to grab those so we don't have to come back to that location.

Uh so we're it just slows things down a little bit, but we think in the next 10 days, uh, we should have we should have worked our way uh through the entire city and picked up everything that was down or is down from this last storm.

Thank you.

That's good to know.

And for to your point about there might be multiple um piles that you may not know about.

If folks are in uh reporting on approved Detroit, lest they're party in front of their house.

Um, is it useful for them to put in the comments that this is in front of my house, but also there are five other addresses that have debris?

Uh through the chair, yes, sir.

That is extremely helpful.

Uh so in approved Detroit, you can put your actual address, or you can put uh you can say, I'm on this street and these are the cross streets, and there are six or seven piles on my block.

Um, and attach pictures if you are able to attach pictures, that helps as well.

But yes, we we strongly encourage residents to let us know there are multiple piles uh on their block or on their street or in their neighborhood, even um if they've kind of walked around and seen a lot of piles in the neighborhood, they can put that on their one request that they send in to approve Detroit.

That'll be very helpful.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Thank you, Deputy Director.

Um, appreciate this.

And um all I can think is um encouraging all of us, maybe during mortar city makeover or just a regular um cadencer um culture of maintaining our trees um so that when these things happen, uh we may see maybe less of an impact.

Who knows?

Um, but I know that um I have some neighbors.

We I I know many neighbors that look out for each other and county uh and count their cut their neighbors' trees um and things like that.

So just encouraging those of us that can that do so um so that we're able to help the city whenever we have these large storms.

Um but thank you, deputy.

Absolutely, we greatly appreciate it.

Thank you.

I will now turn it over to the administration um to help us kick off our dangerous buildings hearings.

If you are listening and you are joining us for a hearing this afternoon, please raise your hands now.

We will begin the process.

Um next, I see the administration if you wouldn't mind sharing with us and the public uh what we can expect today.

Yes, thank you through the chair.

May I be heard?

Yes.

Thank you.

For owners of property here today, if city council orders your building to be demolished, you have the opportunity to go to the building safety environmental and engineering department located in room 418 and request a deferral of the demolition order.

This means that you must do the following.

One, provide proof of ownership or interest in the property, two, pay all required inspection fees, three, secure all openings on your building from trespassing the elements and remove all exterior debris, abandoned vehicles, overgrowth, et cetera.

Four pay or make arrangements regarding any delinquent city taxes.

Five, obtain the necessary permits to bring your building into compliance with all applicable codes, and six submit a completed deferral application.

Thank you to the chair.

Thank you.

I will now turn it over to B seed, excuse me, to LPD, be fortunate over to BC and LPD.

Fine with me.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

In addition to the important information just provided by the administration's representative about the nature and incidents of these hearings, people should be aware.

Generally, these are legally required administrative appeal hearings from previous meetings or hearings with representatives of the department.

And so decisions have been made about the buildings that are on today's dangerous buildings lists.

And according to the law, that this is a committee that has to make the requirement up or down as to whether that's going to happen.

Thank you.

Thank you, LPD.

We will now hear.

I will like uh BC to introduce themselves, who is going to walk us through the hearings.

Uh thank you.

Um my name is Dili Portel.

I'm with the property maintenance BC.

Thank you both for joining us.

So what we'll do now is if you are online and if you're here for a hearing, please raise your hands.

Um, as you heard, we are here to discuss properties that are on the dangerous buildings list.

I will try to keep these hearings brief to about five minutes each.

We have 40 plus properties on our agenda, which means we might have 40 plus people calling in to discuss.

Uh, after a while, you begin to uh pick up on the cadence, but we're going to ask you whether or not you want to keep your property.

Um if you do, we will talk about what needs to be done in order to do so.

And if you agree to demolish the property, we will work with you as well to ensure that that you win that race.

Um, but what we'll do now is we'll begin to call on names for the folks that we're going to call for our hearings.

We have been joined by member waters.

If the clerk can please no.

Well no.

Thank you.

And what we will do, folks, is I want to respect your time and be as efficient as possible.

So I will call on two names.

One person will be the person that will be having the hearing with, the other person will be next on deck.

And again, you'll begin to pick up on the cadence after a few of the of these hearings.

But we'll begin first uh with who will be begin first with Madam Chair.

We have eight callers online, and our first caller is Cindy Dara.

Cindy, you are the first person on our call list.

You are going to be followed by Clarissa Pritchat.

Followed by who?

Clarissa Pritchett.

Followed by Clarissa.

Clarissa, you are next.

Cindy, you are uh who will be hearing from Cindy if you are a property owner for any of the properties on our list.

Uh, please let me know which property you are calling us about.

Oh, I I didn't realize I had to be an owner to participate.

Hi, Cindy.

Um, yes, ma'am.

So Cindy, um we will um just just a reminder.

Um, and Cindy, I believe you've called in the past for for this as well.

Uh but you do have to be a property owner um in order to discuss the the properties on our list today.

I've had many things torn down though for for the case.

So we're gonna pause Cindy and we are going to Cindy ask you to call during general public comments, or you know how to find our office.

Um, anyone on the staff, uh please reach out and let us know of any demolition concerns that you might have.

Uh, but I will go to our next caller, Clarissa, uh, followed by followed by Charmaine Jones.

Followed by Charmaine.

Clarissa, can you hear us?

Charmaine, you are going to be next.

Clarissa, if you can hear us, let us know which property you are here to discuss.

Ann Color has been made a panelist.

Okay.

Clarissa, you have been made a panelist, so you just have to unmute yourself.

For us to be able to hear you.

And Clarissa, unfortunately, if you're speaking, we cannot hear you on the side.

And even more unfortunate, I might have to add you to the bottom of the queue.

Um, so you will be last called.

If we're not able to hear you in the next few seconds.

And again, folks, I do this so that we can move things along and send you back on your on on your on your day on your way back to your enjoying your day.

Clarissa, I think I'm gonna have to add you to the bottom of the list and come back to you.

So, Clarissa, we're gonna add you to the bottom of the list.

Charmaine, you are up next.

If I mispronounce your name, please correct me.

But Charmaine, you're next, followed by Soharmaine has been promoted to panelists, and our next caller is Abdullah Adnan.

Abdullah, you are on deck.

Shermain, can you hear us?

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Awesome.

Which property are you here to discuss?

11705 Cheyenne Street.

11705 Cheyenne is the fourth property under the 10th block.

This property has been withdrawn from the demolition list, meaning that it is no longer deemed dangerous.

B seed, do you have any notes for this property?

Uh thank you, madam chair.

Yes.

Um this property had the uh this property is open from the top windows and the roof needs some repair at the valley part.

Um so we would like to have the vacant property registers.

Okay, thank you, Mr.

Patel.

So Charmaine, um BC just mentioned as you heard that there are still some some minor openings to the property, and that if the property is going to stay vacant, that it be registered as vacant.

Um you can register your property by going to the city website, Detroit Mi.gov.

And if you search vacant property registration, the directions will come up there.

Um but other than those two requests, um, the property has been taken off the demolition list.

So thank you for addressing the immediate issues.

Do you have any questions for us?

No, that's it.

Thank you.

Okay, wonderful.

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw 11705 Cheyenne?

Motion.

Cheyenne, Shine, here uh here we know objections.

We agree to withdraw this property from the from the demolition list.

Uh thank you, Shermain, for calling in.

Do you need anything else from us?

I don't, thank you.

Have a nice day.

You as well.

We will now hear from Abdullah followed by followed by Liz.

Followed by Liz.

Hello, you hear me?

Yes, we can hear you.

Yes.

Yes.

So the property address is 1884, Cherist.

Okay, 1884 3 sheriffs is the third property under the tenth block.

Uh, this property has also been withdrawn, meaning that you have addressed the immediate problems.

B seed.

Do you have any notes for this property?

Uh thank you, madam chair.

Uh, this property also had the same thing.

The some uh properties open to elements uh on the top floor, some windows, also the yard need to be maintained and register for vacant property.

Okay.

So Abdullah, as you heard from B seed, um, please do address the minor openings that are still um at this property and continue to maintain or please maintain uh the vegetation around because it does uh leave the properties looking vacant.

And if your property is going to stay vacant, uh please register it.

You can do so on the city website, okay?

Sure.

And I like to inform um the property is under the construction right now.

I am doing uh some work.

Uh the uh backyard is already cleaned, and of course, uh based on the instruction uh window and everything gonna be uh taking care of it.

Okay, wonderful.

Thank you.

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw one eight eight four three sheriffist?

Motion hearing no objections, we agreed to withdraw this from the dangerous buildings list.

Thank you for calling in.

Thank you so much for withdrawing it.

We appreciate it.

Of course, thank you for doing the work, sir.

Have a blessed day.

We will now hear from Liz followed by um Liz has been promoted, followed by Jason Sr.

Jason, you are next.

Liz, can you hear us?

Yes, can you hear me?

Yes.

Which property are you here to discuss?

13130 Maiden Street.

13130 Maiden Street.

This is the fifth property under the 11th block.

Uh Liz, this property is being ordered demolished.

So we are going to hear from B seed to let us know why.

But are you looking to demolish or keep the property?

Keep the property.

Okay.

And while BC pulls up the issues uh to the property, would you happen to know what needs to be addressed?

Uh it's a few things.

Um scrappers gag hold at a house.

So yes, and I know it's a it's a few things that should be on the list that need to be done.

So we're gonna hear from BC uh what they would like to see, and then we'll turn it over to you if we have any questions, okay?

Okay.

Okay.

So Madam Chair, we're just working on getting these slides up.

Thank you.

Okay.

Just so you know we are still here.

We are waiting for information.

Mr.

Patel, assuming your computer's slow.

Yes.

Okay.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh sorry about that.

Uh some technically seeing the computer, but uh we inspected this property on June 30th, 2026, uh for this year.

We found the one uh one and a half story, one family brick dwelling open to test at the front and side unlocked door element at the second floor uh window, exterior bricks, side wall are collapsing, you are not maintained, no vacant property register and been done, no permit behind.

Uh that's the reason we are here to uh print up this committee.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

Uh so Liz, are you still on with us?

Yes.

So there are, as you mentioned, there are a few things to be addressed, and you said that you are aware and you have a plan.

Yes.

Okay.

So what we ask, and and in the issues that that I heard mentioned by BC do seem like things that can be addressed in the immediate um, at least making sure the overgrowth, the vegetation is maintained, any of the openings to be secured.

Um, and if you are able to do this, I feel comfortable sending this back to BC to allow you time to address.

Um, we will probably if we do give you some time, uh what we'll do is ask that you address the issues that are on the list um as soon as possible.

And to email pictures of the property once the uh the issues have been addressed, we will put on the screen um the email address that you will need to send the the images to.

Um and this is anyone listening.

Uh there is an email address that needs to be um shared uh that we're gonna share with you.

And this email address is going to be what you send uh the pictures uh of all four sides of the property to share um what's uh uh what progress you've made.

And what you'll want to do is get this um done within the next month or so to make sure um that's uh you don't see yourself back in in this committee if you have been able to address the issues.

The email is on the screen now.

Are you able to see it?

Uh yes.

Can I have a quick second to write it down?

Yes, you can.

property to share um what's uh what progress you've made and what you'll want to do is get this um done within the next month or so to make sure um that's uh you don't see yourself back in in this committee if you have been able to address the issues the email is on the screen now are you able to see it uh yes can I have a quick second to write it down yes you can so that's anyone uh the email is on screen now if you want to take a screenshot of it if you want to write it down if you are listening I can read it out for you um it is spelled B as in bed S as in Sam E as an elephant D as in dog D as in Detroit E as an elephant M as in Mom O as an octopus at DetroitMI.gov so that is the email address that everyone needs to jot down that you need to use uh when you send images of all four sides of the property I'm gonna pause now because there seems to be some some updates uh to a vice chair yeah um madam chair I think we have someone to um uh regarding one of the properties that we recently considered we have I'm gonna wait for us to address that once we're completed with this hearing or does it have to be done now I think madam Ted I would like to ask the caller that that do they own the property I think that's what the uh the city done here uh regarding concerning the property got it Liz as I mentioned from during our first caller these hearings are with property owners are you the owner of this property no but I've been taking care of it for the last five years okay so then unfortunately I cannot discuss this with you as I mentioned with our first caller and I made the assumption that everyone I was speaking to was speaking to me as property owners as I had mentioned I can only do but I thought five years automatically uh put you in that position especially if no one is claiming it or taking care of it.

I I I I don't believe that's how it works for property sir.

Um so what we'll do now is I'm going to are you the property owner you're the neighbor all right so what we're going to do now is so sorry Liz but um I I do not believe that I can be legally discussing this with you um so I'm going to need to cut off this call um and thank you Liz for being willing to address the issues of this property um but it needs to be addressed by the property owner um you are the neighbor still not the property owner so I still can't discuss this with you thank you for letting us know though um thank you for flagging the that this was being discussed with somebody that was not the property owner um as a neighbor here I'm assuming that you are in support of demolition moving forward okay that's what I figured um and that is why we we have these uh discussions because some of these properties are in dangerous conditions or have not been addressed to the state that it needs to be in order for them to be safe in our neighborhoods all right colleagues what I'm going to do then is I'm going to uh we're gonna stop discussing maiden we're going to allow the property owner if they decide to call in to do so and if not we will have to move forward or discuss the recommendation by B seed.

So what I'm gonna do now is um thank you again Liz for calling in I will need to move on to the next caller being Jason um and then we will continue to go through these properties one by one and we'll get more information on the maiden property once we get to that uh to that line item with that I will call on Jason followed by we have Jason who has been made a panelist followed by Eli and then our last caller online at the moment hurricane.

Followed by Eli and our last caller being hurricane okay so Jason can you hear us?

Yes can you hear me?

Yes we can hear you which property are you calling us about I'm calling in regards to 2125 towns in in Detroit 2012 that is correct.

And are you the property owner?

So the property is owned by my company Banyan Investments LLC.

Okay thank you this is the eighth property under the 13th block this property is being ordered demolished Jason so we're going to turn it over to B seed to uh hear what needs to be addressed are you looking to demolish or keep the property so madam chair we do have a uh contract with uh direct construction services to complete the demolition there is a demolition permit that has been requested uh sitting with the city currently that permit number uh if you'd like it is sitting in review and we have all of the utilities have been cut and cleared we're just waiting for that permit to uh be a accepted by the city wonderful okay Mr.

There is a demolition permit that has been requested uh sitting with the city currently.

That permit number uh if you'd like it, is sitting in review, and we have all of the utilities have been cut and cleared.

We're just waiting for that permit to uh be accepted by the city.

Wonderful.

Okay, Mr.

Patel.

Oh thank you, madam Teddy.

So we can come that department has been applied or demo permit on that process.

Uh on the like to demolish himself, and that's the great thing.

So uh again, you know, we gonna go with uh our recommendation on the gonna demolish and uh uh the dangerous building list dangerous building in the city.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

So thank you, Jason, for letting us know.

Were you able to jot down the email address that we shared earlier, or do you have a content uh at BC that you were already speaking with?

I do have the the email address that you uh sent out earlier, yes.

So what we'll do is um just to triple confirm that that you are all set to demolish.

I would just email um that email address with that permit number that you have and letting them know um that you are prepared for demolition.

And as I mentioned, this is something that that we want you to do, uh a race that we want you to win.

Um so as long as the city knows that you should be able to move forward um without any interruption.

Okay, very good.

Thank you.

No problem.

Do you need anything else from us?

No, ma'am.

Okay, is there a motion to agree to demolish 2125 Townsend Street?

Motion or Townsend.

Hearing no objection, 2125 Townsend will be demolished on the behalf of the property owner.

Thank you, Jason.

I will now move us along to Ellie, followed by Hurricane.

I believe those are still our last two callers.

We have one more after hurricane.

Okay.

Ellie, can you hear us?

Yeah.

Which property are you calling us about?

5970 Proctor.

597.

This is the fifth property under the 12th block.

Ellie, are you the property owner?

Um, I'm representing the uh entity.

Uh it's owned by Noble Stone Proctor LLC.

You are representing them as their manager.

As their manager.

This is 1570.

Proctor.

All right.

This is the fifth property under the 12th block.

Uh, this property is being ordered demolished as well.

We're gonna turn it over to BC to hear uh what needs to be addressed in order to prevent the demolition.

Um, and as the representative, yeah, are they looking to keep or demolish the property?

Uh right now we're looking into demolishing it.

Demolishing.

Okay.

So if that's the case, where are you in the process of uh of demoing?

So we just started reaching out to get different uh I guess bids for for demo.

Um we were waiting to get approval from insurance really to have the funding for it.

We finally got that, and now uh reaching out to contractors to get uh bids and you know, hopefully I'd say the next 30, 45 days, like this should all be wrapped up.

Okay.

All right.

So with that being the case, the recommendation as has been mentioned is demolition.

If you're looking to demolish as well, again, this is a a race that we want you to win.

Um so what we'll do here at this table is we will agree to the order of demolition.

Um did you get a chance to jot down the email that was shared earlier?

I I did not.

Um do we do we I mean okay.

So you don't have to email B seed anything if you don't want to.

I I share this as a best practice so that you don't uh come across the property being demolished before you get to it, and then you have to pay the city.

Um so it's it's just a way to communicate with them what you're doing.

Uh so the email is back on screen now.

Uh and again, you don't have to.

This is a recommendation.

So I'll sorry.

Yeah, sorry.

If if you would like, once you know that you have the permit that you have a contract, send it over to BCED, um, so that you're able to to to get in line to demolish first.

Because what will happen is if you don't if if you um don't get this done as quickly as possible, the city might get to it before you do.

And if they do, then you have to pay the city back um and there will be a lien on the property.

Uh so I I only share this to to prevent that.

I appreciate that.

Uh question.

So there is a there is a chance, I guess depending on on how much uh would cost, I guess, to fix the building up, there is a chance that we might fix it up.

Um if that's the case, so can you just remind me what the process for that is?

So right now we're discussing no chance of the property being fixed up, and we're discussing demolition.

If you're looking to fix the property, then BC needs to share with you what needs to be addressed, and then you have to commit to addressing the issues.

If you do not address the issues in a timely manner, uh then we will have to move forward with demolition.

We can share with you what needs to be addressed if you'd like.

Yeah, I'd I'd like to have that option as well.

Okay.

So we will pull up the image of the property again, and then BC'd, if you're able to share with us uh what are all the issues that need to be addressed with the property so that the property uh managers know.

Thank you, madam chair.

Uh this property uh we had inspected on June 25th, 2026 for this year.

We found two-story brick small uh commercial uh small commercial building on the front window is open from front window and rear wall of the building.

Uh the prior damage to the rear part of the building, the rear wall completely burned and missing.

Uh the yard is not maintained.

Uh we have several complaints regarding this building, including from your office.

Uh that's what we recommend for demolish that.

In case uh you grant the demolish an order, then the property owner has to uh pile the deferral and then uh come up with the plan to make it repair.

Uh with the required permits.

Um but that's what we approach of the this committee.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

Um and yes, thank you for for for noting um the issues of concern to this property.

Um so Ellie, you've seen the issues we you see the damage to the property now.

Um, and this is a property that our office has got received we received calls of issues of this property many, many times.

Um just wondering if you'll be able to quite frankly, this needs to be addressed ASAP.

It cannot be sitting like this, and I would prefer it to come down.

Um I try my very best to give people opportunities.

So I if if you would like one, there could be one, but I think only the one.

Um and if the property is not brought up to code to where it needs to be, I I actually believe that this property needs to come down.

Um so would you guys be able to address the the depth of issues to this property?

Yeah, I don't I don't see why not.

I mean it it and there's a long story, I guess, on why it's been like this for the past bunch of months or year or whatever uh since we had the fire, but insurance is just really giving us the runaround and finally close that up only in the past few weeks.

Um like I I think I mean again if we do go in this direction to I I don't see like wouldn't you want it fixed up like if we can fix it up to code, which is obviously would be the plan, so wouldn't that make more sense than just tearing it down?

You would think, except that's what we are hearing um and the concerns that we've heard about the property um and the way it's been maintained.

I I think neighbors would disagree.

Um they would disagree with how it's been maintained, um with what's been happening in the property, um, and quite frankly, would would rather see it be taken down.

Uh-huh.

Well, I mean, uh I definitely do my best, and I will continue to do my best, and you know, with with the resources that I have.

Uh I can't speak to what people do and do not say that I I don't know, and I'm not privy to it.

And uh so I I can't speak to that so much, but um, you know, within my power, I will definitely do my best to either uh bring this up to code the right way with permits, etc.

Or uh if need be um, you know, have it demolished.

So okay.

We have our next hearing on September 14th.

And what we ask people uh that are asking for more time to address the issues is that they have a plan to address the major issues um at the time of our next hearing or beforehand.

Uh so the email is on the screen now that you will need to send pictures of all four sides of the property um as you are making these changes.

Mr.

Patel is asking for permits to be pulled um and for a plan to be submitted to BC'd, letting them know of how you're going to address the issues.

So from now until then, I I believe is is the time to decide whether or not you're going to put the resources in to bring this property up to code or to demolish it.

Um and I and I will note again um of the concerns that we have heard over and over of residents um around this property, um, and of really our desire to either demo the property or to ensure that the issues uh brought up by by residents are addressed.

Um but did you get the the address down?

Yes, I got it.

Thank you.

All right, so you have the email address.

Um you have until September 14th.

Um, and and I think then we'll need to decide whether or not um to move forward with demo or with addressing the issues.

I will turn it over to our vice chair.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Um, since this is the second property that we went over that that doesn't match the owner.

I know the person on the line said that they're a manager for the company.

Um, would you be okay if we request that they send in paperwork that verifies that they are working on behalf of the company, just so we can make sure that they're um that the actual deeds are protected.

Thank you, Vice Chair.

Ellie, you mentioned who are you with again?

Yeah, all right.

I work for Noble Stone Proctor LLC.

Okay.

They are the property owner interested party in the the tax rule here.

Umber Waters.

So what's the name of the company again?

Noble Stone Proctor LLC.

How many other properties to you, Madam Chair, do they own in this city?

Ellie, would you happen to know?

That just owns this that entity owns just this property.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Waters.

Uh so Vice Chair, you are asking that they send in a verification.

Are you looking for just something that verifies that the person that we're speaking with can act on behalf of the company?

Okay.

Um, would you happen to have anything that identifies you as a member of this uh of this LLC?

Yeah, I mean, I can get your copy of management agreement if that's helpful.

Okay, that would be helpful.

Um, so if that's the case, um that can be emailed to our offices, or you already have an email jotted down from B seed.

Um I wonder BC that they send you over that management agreement.

Can you make sure that we get that a copy of that as well?

Yeah, we can do that.

Okay, because we already jotted down one email.

So Ellie, if you wouldn't mind, um send the the email that you jotted down, uh please send over the document requested by our vice chair to that email uh for us to verify that you are able to speak on behalf of the property owner, and then um to my vice chair.

We are I mean we're here now.

We can still send this back to B seed.

We can verify while we wait, and then we'll know whether or not all of that is straightened out what time we come back, correct?

Yeah, sounds good.

Okay, thank you.

Um you need this you need this now.

Uh we would need it as quickly as possible.

Uh we we we we wouldn't need this right now to to complete your hearing.

Uh we are we are just wrapping up now and and talking through what we need.

We are going to need that documents emailed to us, and then um just a reminder to you to send over uh the work that's been addressed if you are able to do so by September 14th to that same email.

Okay.

Well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm a little confused.

So the proof of that I repres that I can represent man that I manage for the company that you're saying you need today.

If you can send that over today, that would be great.

Okay.

I'll do my best.

My partner just lost his daughter, and I would have to get it from him.

Um so it's a little challenging, but I mean I if you gave me like within the next few days, I could definitely get that over to you.

That works.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

Okay.

And then thank you for sending that sending that over to us.

And then as you requested, we are able to give you until September 14th for you to review the damages.

Uh let us know if you have a plan to address the issues or if we're gonna move forward with demolition, okay?

Okay, sure.

Okay.

So with that, is there a motion to send Proctor back to BC?

Motion.

Hearing no objection, five nine seven zero proctor will be sent back to BC.

Uh thank you, Ellen.

I will now move on to our next caller.

Our next caller being Hurricane.

Uh Madam Chair, it seems a couple people may have dropped off.

So if we can ask them to raise their hands again, if that was unintentional.

Um, but right now our last caller is phone number ending in 360.

360.

So we had a few hands raised, one of those being hurricane.

Uh it looks like hands have gone down, so please raise your hand again, as has been mentioned if you would like to have a hearing, because we are at the end of our call list, and we'll be wrapping up pretty shortly.

So caller ending in 360.

Can you hear us?

Yes, ma'am.

Can you hear me?

Yes.

Good afternoon, um city leaders.

Thank you so much.

This is Clarissa Pritchett.

I'm calling in for 9874 Nottingham Road.

Madam Chair, you called me.

I was a second person, but my computer just would not agree with me today.

So I had to call in.

Okay.

Well, I'm glad you were able to call back.

Thank you for calling back.

Um, yes, you were our second caller.

And then, ma'am, you mentioned 9874 Nottingham.

Yes.

And are you the property owner?

I am the daughter of the property owners.

They are now both deceased.

Okay.

And then so you are in the family of the property.

Um, ma'am, this property has been withdrawn from the dangerous buildings list, meaning that the issues have been addressed.

I want to turn it over to BC to see if there's anything else that needs to be uh addressed in the property.

BC.

Uh thank you, Madame Chair.

Uh yeah, this property is open.

I think some windows from second floor.

Uh yes, sir.

Yeah.

No, also the property needs some uh repairs that need to be done until the they're gonna do the um property registress and missing that.

Okay.

So ma'am, as as has been mentioned, the remaining openings and debris around the property, can that be addressed?

Yes, that is, ma'am.

Okay.

And then if the property we have purchased the wood for the uh boarding up of the windows, um my husband and brother will um make sure that that's done in the next coming weeks.

Okay.

Are you looking to sell rent?

Um move back into the property anytime soon.

No, ma'am.

Unfortunately, um the house is where we're not gonna be able to move back in.

There's um a lot of um fire damage inside that's um made it almost uh impossible to well on our fixed income.

We're now both retirees, my husband and myself.

There's no way we could afford to get this house fixed back up.

Um unfortunately, we will board up uh the home and make sure it's secured and um go from there, see what we can do as a family from there.

I have two siblings also involved, and we'll um just have to discuss how we'll go forward.

Understood, ma'am.

So as the house sits vacant as has been mentioned, um, while you continue to maintain it, uh if you're able to register as a vacant property, you can go to DetroitMI.gov and search vacant property registration so that the city knows uh that this this house, even though it's vacant, is being cared for uh while you decide what to do for for next steps, okay?

Yes, ma'am, thank you so much.

Okay, thank you.

Is there a motion to concur to withdraw 9874 Nottingham?

Motion Okay.

Hearing no objections, we agree to withdraw this property.

Thanks for calling back, Larissa.

Thank you as well.

Um, all city leaders, you're doing a wonderful job.

I appreciate you all.

Thank you, ma'am.

We appreciate you.

Have a blessed day.

So bye-bye.

What we will do now is um do we have any other hands raised?

Yes, madam caller.

We have a Carla McMiller online.

If we can move her over as a panelist, yep, caller has been made a panelist.

Hello.

Hello.

Hi, can you let us know which property you're calling us about?

Can you hear us?

Yes.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we're able to hear you.

Can you hear us?

You may not be able to hear us because we can hear you.

Unfortunately, we seem to be having some audio issues.

Madam Chair, it looks like she's dropped off.

Oh, we were having issues.

Okay, thank you.

Uh, so to our previous caller, if you are able to call back, um, we might be able to still hear from you uh while we're still in discussions.

Um, but unfortunately, we we did lose you on our end.

Um, is Conn any other hands raised?

No other hands.

Okay, seeing no other hands.

If you are still online with us and you are here for a hearing, uh, please don't be shy.

Please raise your hand now for us to discuss.

Noting again that we can only discuss these hearings with property owners or representatives of the property owners themselves.

What I will do now until interrupted.

Oh, yes.

Um, it looks like Miss Carla is back on.

All right, if we can make Carla back into a panelist.

Hello.

Yes, Carla.

Can you hear us?

Yes.

Wonderful.

Which property are you here to discuss?

5032 Townsend Street.

This is 5032 Townsend.

This is the ninth property under the 13th block.

Carla, this has been withdrawn from the demo list, meaning that um any major issues have been addressed.

We are going to turn it over to B seed to see if there's anything else that needs to be addressed.

5032.

Yes, 5032 Townsend.

Uh Carla, while they pull up any information, do you have any questions for us?

No, ma'am.

All right, Mr.

Patel.

Thank you, madam Ted.

Uh 03 to Town John.

Uh the yard need to be maintained.

Also had some uh issue with the roof.

Roof need to be maintained also, and we require the record property registers.

Heard.

Thank you, Mr.

Patel.

Carla, as has been shared, um, please do continue to maintain the yard maintenance.

Um, any coverage for the roof.

Um, if it's a tarp or something more um more permanent, please do uh address that.

And as I mentioned to previous callers, if the house is gonna stay vacant to register it as so that the city knows that the the house um is being cared for, okay.

Okay, all right.

Um is there a motion to concur to withdraw 5032 Townsend?

There is a motion hearing no objections.

50 32 Townsend will be withdrawn from the demolition list.

Carla, thank you for the work.

Uh good luck in maintaining this, okay?

Thank you so much.

Have a blessed day, ma'am.

Who do we have?

Who do we have next?

Madam Chair, there's no many, there's no more callers online.

Okay.

Until I am interrupted, I will now go through the rest of these properties.

Colleagues, any notes?

Seeing none, I will jump right in.

Oh, vice chair.

You want us to as you go through the flag properties that we have questions about I let's go through the lines.

And as folks have uh things they want to discuss, we'll do so.

Got it.

Okay.

So beginning from the top, and then if anyone else please uh calls and please uh interrupt.

Uh but from the top block 10, uh, property one.

B seat is recommending demolition of 17523 Angland as well as 17917 brush.

We have agreed to withdraw 18843 Cherist and 11705 Cheyenne.

Is there a motion to confer with the remaining property recommendations?

Motion question vice chair?

Sorry, my mic was on a discussion on uh through you, madam chair uh one four eight zero zero griggs just had a question for BC.

It looks like through the photos that someone may be um live in there, but just wanted to check if there's um in the in the indication to BC, uh wondering if we verified whether or not Griggs was occupied and if not this might be something that we can send back.

Um Madam Chair uh the for our inspection we found we inspected on July 10 this property, and that time we found the weekend open uh single family dwelling.

Uh severally fire damage, rear elevation is really badly fire damage, yard not maintained, overgrowth up throughout the yard, dwelling not maintained, missing window door, uh all framing is burned.

So uh no, this property is not occupied.

Vice chair.

Thank you.

Thank you, Chief.

I uh I just saw some of the photos they had uh items in, but you have seen the condition.

Um thank you.

Just thank you, Vice Chair.

I have a question, madam chair.

Um, so vice chair, you're okay with us moving forward.

Uh yeah, yes, okay, member waters.

Yeah, I I just want to ask uh BC.

Um how is it that you ensure that the properties are not occupied?

I just want to know how how do you do that, maybe because I mean I don't I won't I don't want you to go there with a bulldozer and all of a sudden there's somebody in the house.

So how is it that you verify BC?

Uh through chair, uh the B seed before we we come to this point at this hearing, we we have the several inspection been done prior to this.

Our inspector walk around property.

Uh we post we post the the notices on the property, which people ignore, but go ahead.

Uh also we want to remix your the property not occupied.

And if in case something happened, something somebody move in or something, uh prior to you know, this they always can come forward to us and we would uh put them on the right path.

Director, excuse me, madam chair.

Yes.

You aren't clear in terms of how you verify.

Do you go inside of it?

Because just posting something, folks are not gonna pay it any attention if they're in the in the house.

It's just the way it is, it's unfortunate.

So do you do you send someone inside of the house to make sure that it's not occupied?

I'm just I'm just asking because I need to know this for future reference as well.

Through Madam Chair, uh the council member water, no, our inspector would not go inside the property during this inspection.

Uh because these properties are abandoned, they are dangerous.

Uh, we would not yeah, put our inspector in that position to go inside.

Uh, but definitely even the before the bulldozer come, demolition department, the environmental inspections, uh, and that time if somebody there they would right away notify us uh that somebody move in or squatting that property or so on.

They send a drone in or something.

Since they don't go in, do they send the drone in to make sure that there's no one there?

I I don't know how they how they really know.

That's all I'm saying.

Mr.

Patel, and I the questions are being asked because even though it might not be someone occupying the space, there might be someone squatting in the space.

And we want to ensure that that they are also safe.

So I do understand these lines of questions.

That's all I'm trying to determine that there's not a human being in there.

And how is it that you ensure that before you start the demolition?

Um Madame Tara Yeah, I'm sure that you know the demolition department, you know, their survey is very survey, they go through the structures, and then they're big if it's anything pound uh on that subway, and it has the material, and in that process, if somebody there, it would come out that hey, somebody there.

Uh no, there is no task that uh city roll or the bulldozer's uh if a property occupied no that would not happen.

Okay, okay.

Um I'll leave it there, Madame Chair.

I'm not a hundred percent convinced, but I don't know what else to do at this point.

Thank you.

Thank you, Member Waters.

I completely understand your lines of questions.

Um we'll be calling our director right after just to confirm the process.

But I do know that there are multiple steps for demolition, including um watering down the property.

So there does seem opportunities before demolition to um let people or I also worry about animals being in properties.

Um to allow them to to leave before anything were to happen, LPD.

Thank you.

Uh yeah, this course this is a problem that has come up over and over again in the year over the years in these hearings.

Um I think maybe the the defining the question might be helpful.

I don't I don't think there's any the question was like how do you determine whether anybody lives there?

I don't think they do, and I don't think they really can.

I mean, these these buildings are looking at they're they're inspecting the building, and the building looks like it's abandoned, and then they're there as the chair has pointed out, it may be a squatter.

There may be somebody there sometimes, but they might not be there 24 hours.

They won't be there 24 hours, they're not there when they're examined.

The answer is I think they don't determine whether anybody lives there.

That still makes it a good question.

But I'm I'd like to suggest that the the the course we have people coming into these hearings all the time.

One of the purposes of these hearings is to establish a thing like that.

Somebody gets a notice that this is to be demolished, they call in and they're hearing, they say I live here.

That that hasn't happened in a while, but it has happened multiple times in these hearings.

But I think the key question, it seems to me, is not only for BC, but also for law is what if the bulldozer shows up and then they find out somebody lives there?

What do they do?

Now that at that point I'm really concerned about what the policy is.

So maybe that would be the way to ask to answer the question if that would help.

Because I I think there's been the premise throughout this discussion that they make sure people don't live there.

I don't think that's true for my experience in these hearings.

Well, member Waters?

Yeah.

I'm trying, my my whole goal was to determine whether or not that there's human life there before they bulldoze.

You know, um, you know, I'm I'm not looking at this property exactly as the same as I do say if we have land bank properties, people purchase them in a bundle.

We we go out and door knock to make sure that the properties are not occupied.

I'm I'm talking about we do have squatters, they are human beings, and so I just want to make sure and and and if they just happen to be squatting there, for them they are living there.

So I just want to make sure that we are identified that we verify uh that there's no life uh in those in those uh structures when you before you tear them down, that's for sure.

So I mean I don't know, maybe I wasn't clear enough, but that but that's it.

I got you, Member Waters.

Thank you.

And I understand the question.

Um so we will we can confirm with construction and demolition.

Um that's a good question.

Were there any other questions for this block?

Um okay.

So is there a motion to concur with the recommendations under block 10?

Motion hearing no objection.

We will concur with the recommendations under block 10.

Under the 11th block.

The first property 9221 Jefferson is being withdrawn as well as 1685 LaSalle.

And 1931 3 Lamont.

10201 Lenark is being ordered demolished.

No one called in officially, no property owner called in regarding 13130 made in.

There's been a recommendation to demolish this property as well.

12067 Mansfield is being ordered demolished.

17341 Mansfield is being withdrawn.

7274 Nevada is being withdrawn.

Demolished 9874 Nottingham has been withdrawn.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining 11 properties under the 11th block?

Discussion.

Discussion member waters.

Um I I think it was the way that you said it, Madam Chair.

You said no one called in regarding 13130 made in.

So is that is that because you believe that the structure was probably in pretty good shape and probably should not be demolished.

I'm just trying to understand.

Oh, my comment?

Yes.

That was regarding um there was somebody that called in that was not the property owner.

And we were going to see whether or not the property owner called in.

But since they didn't, I'm assuming that they are also going to um that the that we are gonna move forward with demolition.

Oh, meaning that they didn't come to prevent it from happening.

Oh, I know.

I if if you recall what I said earlier to the folks from um from the demolition department, I asked them not to be giving us all these properties that can probably be saved.

That's whether the person calls in or not.

And so some of these people don't call in, but those are properties that still can be saved.

That's all I'm saying.

Heard.

I also know that there are neighbors that want this property to be taken down.

Is that right?

Yes.

Okay, all right.

Well, you know that.

Okay.

See, I'm just trying to clarify.

No, thank you, Member Waters.

Uh, yes.

We do have another caller that's just joined.

I don't know if you want to do it after this block.

Sure.

So uh we have not finalized the vote for the 11th block, so we can keep it as that, just in case this person is calling for a property here.

Uh, who was our next caller?

Our next caller is phone number ending in 988.

Caller ending in 988.

You are being made a panelist.

Please let us know which property you are here to discuss.

Hello.

Hello, we can hear you.

Okay, okay, I was um okay.

I got off.

This is uh three six four seven equaler.

What's the property again?

Three six four seven east East Willis.

Three six four seven Willis.

Oh, okay.

Yes.

This is the third property under the 14th block.

This has been withdrawn, meaning that you have addressed any issues to this property that deemed it dangerous.

Um and it's no longer on the demolition list.

We can wait for these.

I can draw o'clock again.

What was that?

Okay, I usually have three six four seven East Willis.

Three six four seven Willis has been withdrawn.

You're good.

Are you the property owner?

Well, my mother passed away seven years ago, so I'm the one that's here for the last 30 years.

Okay, well, you have this property is not on the on the dangerous buildings list anymore.

You have addressed the issues, so thank you.

Um, and and it's not going to be demolished.

No, well, well, I hope you're all right, okay.

Because yeah, I hope you're all right, but I don't know, okay.

I hope y'all don't put it that way, okay.

So you still have three six four seven eight Willis.

Three six four seven.

Where's Willis?

There's no East in front of it, but it's Willis, and and it's not going to be demolished, okay?

Okay.

Okay.

Well, thank you so much for addressing the issues.

Um, this property will be saved from demolition.

Is there a motion to is there a motion to withdraw this from the demolition list?

Motion.

Hearing no objections, three six four seven Willis will be removed from the demolition list.

Thank you to our caller that called in.

Do you have anything else for us?

No, thank you.

All right, thank you.

Have a blessed one.

Uh so to my colleagues.

Um, and then member member waters.

There was a a woman that was here, she was one of the neighbors um that wanted to come and advocate in support of demolition.

Oh, so that's how I know.

Okay.

Um, because they they did come down.

Okay, thank you.

With that, thank you.

With that, is there a motion to concur with the recommendations for the 11th block?

Motion hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations from BC under the 11th block for the 12th block.

The first property 1970 Oakfield is being ordered demolished, as well as 2021 Pelke.

Excuse me, 8467 Pearson is being withdrawn.

Plainview is being ordered demolished.

We have agreed to send five nine seven zero proctor back to B seed.

One two zero three two Rosa Parks Boulevard building one oh one is being ordered demolished.

11718 Sanford is being withdrawn as well as 14610 Schaefer.

13535 School Cross is being ordered demolished.

147597 mile is being withdrawn.

Are there any questions, comments?

If nots, is there a motion to concur?

Motion to concur.

Hearing no objections, this body will agree.

We concur with the recommendations from BC for the 12th block for the 13th block.

15071 7 miles being ordered demolished.

4755 C Burn is being withdrawn as well as 1799 Sheridan, as well as 18695 Schwasi.

I know people pronounce it differently.

2657 Springle is being ordered demolished.

16832 Stople is being withdrawn, as well as 14109 uh Strathmore.

2125 Townsend is being ordered demolished.

5032 Townsend.

We agree to withdraw.

And 13531 Teller is being ordered demolished.

Any questions, comments, or is there a motion to concur?

Motion.

There's a motion to concur to agree with the recommendations under the 13th block.

Hearing no objections, this body will agree for the 14th block.

19703 Wexford is being ordered demolished.

1000 Whitmore is being withdrawn, and we agree to withdraw 3647 Willis.

Is there a motion to concur with the remaining recommendations?

Motion to concur.

Hearing no objections, we agree with the recommendations under the 14th block.

Any more hands?

There are no more callers online.

All right, everyone.

Thank you so much for a great day.

Now that there is nothing else before us, we are now adjourned.