Call the committee of the whole for the Elgin City Council for March 25th.

2026 to order.

Will the clerk please call the role?

Councilmember Zalfaro?

President.

Dixon.

Good.

Here.

Martinez?

Here.

Ortiz?

Here.

Powell.

Here.

Stefan?

Here.

Thorne.

Mayor Captain.

Here.

I know easy.

Approval of the minutes of the previous meeting of March 11th, 2026.

Move for approval.

Second.

It's been moved and second for approval.

Any corrections or additions?

Hearing none, Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Abstain.

Stefan.

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

The motion is approved seven zero with one abstention.

Thornton, yes.

I don't know how that works.

We have a few people sign up for public comment this evening.

First person to sign up is uh Hank Romero.

Hello, I'm here to talk about the environment, homeless people.

Uh pay guys to work cleaning side road.

Uh they pay taxes, buy commodities, buy homes, pay taxes.

Penalty for dumping uh garbage from their cars or their house.

Uh, you know, it's uh fifty bucks or something like a parking ticket, not the Federal, the Federal, it's like six months or a year in prison.

And maybe the people, other people we offer uh reward for for somebody catching somebody throwing garbage.

Um America beautiful people come to this country, they think you're pigs.

You know, the roads looked real bad.

Um, put more more lines out there so we can see the reliance on the on the rain.

Uh river clean and the the river is a sewer system.

Um we gotta do is gotta put every every town from the beginning of the Fox River all the way down to the Mississippi, every town has got to have a cleaning system.

No, like Canover Park, they uh take the water, they clean it, and they put it and they give it back to people.

Not all of it, but part of it and part of it come from the aquifers or uh Lake Michigan, I'm not sure.

Um clean their rivers.

You know, if they uh clean, you know, I hate to drink water from uh Fox River, that might get poisoned.

Uh make the companies clean up their stuff, don't let them dump it in the rivers.

Uh put fish in the in the river.

Uh the Army generate Army uh engineers, not the guys that defuse bonds, the guys that uh build stuff, you know, can build all this sewer uh clean up of the water and put it back in the fish in there too.

So maybe uh some drastic happens, you know, like we have uh three years or four years of no summer and no spring and no autumn and just winter to be fish on the river.

Now I'm not going against God, you know, you just gotta prepare for whatever's coming.

Um put a water on the the wall the the field so that uh water doesn't uh drains into the aquifer, it doesn't go into the rivers with the fertilizers, don't go into the water system.

Okay.

You know, the trucks can't stop.

And uh electromagnetic poles from atomic bombs or uh or what you call it the sun.

So you know, God works mysterious way sometimes.

Um the uh trucks, as long as they're moving, there could be a civil war out there, but the the National Guards out there, you break, they'll break it up.

Um you want people to move.

You want people to move?

Pay them, they'll move.

However, I heard that someone uh said that some people do anything, not the work.

Oh, time's up.

Um give me a uh 30 second.

The let the Statue of Liberty move it up to Texas and process all these people with paperwork and uh with paperwork, and and the Statue of Liberty stands for uh give me your poor some something else, given by the French to America, and uh we leave them out there in the desert, we send them wood, we send them stones to build homes to build the pay taxes into the system, and we got more people uh they want to live here, maybe they want to fight for us.

No, yeah, fight for us.

Have a good day, everybody.

Thank you.

Susannah Padilla.

Over the fast the past few months, we have listened to the voices of many in our community.

We have heard their outrage, felt their fear, and witnessed their relentless spirit, but we have also been positive, we have also seen positive progress.

It took a moment of cold reality for us all to come together.

Last month's meeting, people from all walks of life united for a common good.

It was beautiful to see our human side showing compassion and worthiness for others and a larger scale, and most importantly, listening to one another's struggle.

We have become aware of our neighborhoods, our neighborhood, our neighbors delivering food to those paralyzed by fear, parents who are afraid to leave their homes or children, worrying that they may never return to provide for their families.

As we were informed by Councilman Martinez of her personal story, I thank you for sharing.

My heart truly goes out to you for what you endured such a young age, at a young age.

But we sit here discussing the very same trials others are facing today.

I must ask, is it not time to dismantle those generational cycle social cycles?

Your story took me back in time.

I witnessed day decades decades ago.

I heard a father tell my friend, his son, now you know what it's like to suffer.

I was only 19 then, but those words did not sit right with my soul.

I remember thinking, why would a parent ever want their child to repeat their own parents' hardships to learn?

I believe in God given duty is to ensure my children advance further than I ever could.

I share my experience my ex my mistakes and my life experiences with them so their harvest in life may be sweeter and their path easier.

Is that not the goal of every parent, every leader to foster life's expansion?

You sit in a position of authority that is much like a parent to the city of Elgin.

While your story is heartbreaking, it also confirms how toxic cycles continue.

Through the lie that says I went through it, so must you too.

Today we can break those chains.

We can move with bold authority by our sovereignty and our God-given rights, led by his divine guidance.

You have the power to spark that change, this change with a single courageous vote of yes, and to continue to move forward.

Politics seems to be only about money and power.

With these take with when these take priority, we are guided by the spirit of mammon.

And I quote Matthew 624, warns us, no one can serve two masters, for you will hate one and love the other.

You cannot serve God and be enslaved to money.

We all agree that our community must be protected from violent criminals.

However, that protection should not come at the cost of human rights.

There is so much confusion surrounding various states' mandates by our governor.

While these laws intended to provide safety, more confusion, paralyzation, and uncertainty has been created instead.

If the goal is truly to remove only dangerous individuals, a line of communication could be started by requesting a specific list of federal agencies cross-referenced with our own age Elgin police records.

If the name don't match our data on violent crime, then there is no need for outside intervention in our city.

It is simple, direct solution that provides a safety net for the innocent.

Let us not be used by the enemy nor by the allure of the power and money.

When we allow God to lead us for the higher good of humanity, we will be in much better hands and forever blessed.

God is not the author of chaos, but the but peace and clarity.

And if allow to be led by God's guidance, all is possible.

Thank you for your time and attention.

I pray that all look within and reach God's guidance because we the people are speaking up and being present doing our part.

We have total right now, starting 76 signatures that people are for the ordinance.

We are still collecting.

And that is for all the community coming together for that.

So we will have more.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Sandy Skolski I'm here to speak on behalf of the ordinance for inclusion and diversity.

I moved to Elgin about 10 years ago because I wanted to feel like I lived in a city again.

I grew up in the city of Chicago.

Um I was looking at a house, this little boy was walking home from school, and he actually waved at me and said hi, and I said, That's it, I'm buying this house.

And I did, and it's because that child felt safe walking home from school.

And I don't think that our children feel safe right now, and that's a shame.

And that's on us, and it's on you who have been elected.

On you to take care and make sure that people feel safe in our community.

Thank you.

Lucy Lopez.

Hi, good afternoon.

Um everybody here, and especially um Mayor David Captain and the City Council.

Thank you for your time.

My name is Lucy Lopez, and she's here as part of an organization called Elgin, um, Parents with Power.

And if you look at our shirts, um very representative there.

Um, she's here with a group of her fellow colleagues, and she and and they have all done their homework from the last meeting to inform themselves that actually none of the cities that have adopted an ordinance like this have been um have received negative consequences.

Instead, instead, the community has felt safer and more welcomed in their own city in their own suburb after an ordinance like this passes.

So we are hoping here that in Elgin it will also pass so that the community here will also feel safe and welcomed.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Emma Sherman.

Good evening, Council members.

My name is Emma Sherman, and I am proud to say that I've lived here my whole life.

I really love it here.

I have met some of the kindest people I truly know.

Um they're simply like no other.

Uh I am here today to ask you to please vote yes on the ordinance for diversity and inclusion.

Uh I think it would really be a benefit to our city and its people so that uh we could have a safer and truly just more pleasant life, right?

Um being totally honest, uh I uh was sent here as a representative of my friend group today because a lot of them are scared to leave their houses right now.

Um so it was very important to me that I come here and voice that that I'm I I represent, you know, not just myself, but uh the people who would also like to see this passed.

Thank you.

I yield my time.

Thank you.

Maria, Maria Almar.

Good evening.

Um, my name is Maria Lena.

Uh, I am here in support of the ordinance to foster inclusivity and diversity in the city of Algin.

I'm sure many of you recognize me by now as I've been here for months speaking about the immigration issues affecting our community.

Over the past year, I've learned something important.

Our immigrant community trusts people.

They do not trust institutions and they do not trust that politicians will protect them.

The lack of action from the city of Algin has sent a message, intended or not, that they are not valued or welcomed.

This ordinance is an opportunity to begin rebuilding trust and to show that Algin is committed to being an inclusive, diverse city where all people feel safe regardless of immigration status.

Our community has endured tremendous trauma this past year.

The immigration raids have devastated families and created instability and fear throughout the Latino community, not only among undocumented residents, but among citizens and permanent residents as well.

Some of you have said that community does not want this ordinance.

I ask you, who have you spoken to?

Have you talked to the families directly impacted by the raids?

Have you supported them?

The families I work with tell me they do not trust the city's leadership.

They trust me and they trust my team of volunteers because we are out in the community every day, boots on the ground, helping families in every way we can.

When people consistently turn their values into actions, trust begins to take root.

It's one thing to speak about justice, solidarity, or change, but showing up, sharing risks, honoring commitments that convinces others, those words are real.

Action signals reliability.

It shows that individuals are willing to invest time, energy, and sometimes personal comfort for the collective good.

Over time, these repeated demonstrations of integrity create a culture where people feel safe relying on one another.

I listened carefully to the comments made by each of you.

I want to specifically address Council members Ortiz and Martinez.

First, I want to say it doesn't matter how much you vote against your own people, you will never achieve the proximity to whiteness that you crave.

I heard Martina speak on her immigration experiences as a child.

Festivals and cultural events are appreciated, but they do not protect families when immigration enforcement arrives at their door.

When it comes to life and death situations, many in our community feel they have been left without support.

Because make no mistake, this is life and death for so many people.

You don't have to worry about getting put in a concentration camp yet.

Can I ask, what are you afraid of by passing this ordinance?

Elgin was one of the cities most affected by ice raids this past year.

How much worse can it get than what happened on Maple Lane on December 6th?

Help me understand the opposition.

If I'm not afraid to show my face, confront immigration officers and risk my safety as a single mother with everything to lose, then I believe our city leaders should be willing to take meaningful action.

This ordinance is not radical.

It is the bare minimum and a beginning.

If border patrol returns, this community was will respond just as it did last year.

People are ready to mobilize because they feel unheard and overlooked by their city leadership.

That's your concern all of us.

Leadership is not just about authority, it's about accountability.

And tonight I'm calling for that accountability.

Maybe some of these voices do not matter to you because many cannot vote, but their children can.

Their family members can, and some of you will be up for re-election next year.

I have already had many young people ask me how to vote and who stands with their community.

We need leaders who are truly committed to protecting all residents of Elgin.

I want to thank council members Dixon and Alfaro for bringing this ordinance forward, and the council members who have supported it.

What the community is asking for is solidarity.

Solidarity is essential to collective liberation because it transforms isolated struggles into a shared movement for justice.

When people stand together across differences, whether of race, immigration, class, gender, or ability, they recognize that systems of oppression are interconnected and cannot be dismantled alone.

Freedom is a collective project that requires mutual support and a willingness to fight for one another's rights.

Solidarity builds trust, it amplifies marginalized voices and creates the power needed to challenge deeply rooted inequalities.

By showing up for each other and refusing to let any group group be left behind, communities have move closer to a world where liberation is not limited to a few but shared by all.

Solidary insists on a world where no one is disposable, where justice isn't conditional, and where communities refuse to move forward unless everyone can move forward.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Diana Ortega, good evening.

My name is Diana Ortega, and I am a resident of the city of Elgin.

I know that some of you are concerned that the ordinance isn't really going to help protect the community in the way that some members of the community think that it will.

When you say that you talked with people who are against it, we don't get good answers that make us feel confident that those people are engaging in this process with the rest of us.

So I'm here to uh to say after some careful reflection that I I've really thought about this.

I've heard about these false arguments, trying to pin some of us against each other.

People trying to cause doubt within our alliances within our ethnic communities, and I'm here to tell you it's it's not gonna work.

There are people who are elected board members for certain organizations, and there are people in leadership positions like myself, and I'm here to tell you that our voices, my voice shouldn't count any more or any less than any other resident here in the city of Elgin.

So thank you for your support of this ordinance.

Thank you for listening to the people who have gathered every single week for the last many months, and after listening to them, they will they will continue.

We will continue to coming and come back to stay in open, transparent conversation with those of you who are um who are willing to have that in a way to in a way in a way that will help the city get to a place that I think will be a real leader in this whole state of Illinois.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Caroline Hernandez.

Okay, good afternoon, City Council.

I have been here before, and I've certainly done research, and I've certainly provided you all with the consequences that you could expect about not advancing these types of initiatives, these types of laws, um, not providing the city with a welcome, uh welcoming city and and diversity and inclusion type of ordinance, which is what this is.

Um, certainly, as the other uh women that spoke indicated, we're doing our research.

We are aware of the ordinances as they exist in other cities.

Um, there has been nothing that has been reported to suggest that there are any consequences to cities that are doing this.

If anything, it is it is mobilizing and creating much more support for city governance, much more um engagement and activity and uh support of city governance and that is gonna be important.

Um, I can tell you that you know, my biggest concern, and it was certainly um shared by Maria Elena is that um there is this idea that you guys are suggesting that people don't want this, and I have either been here in person or watched every city council meeting um either online, and I've actually transcribed all the minutes to read it, and I can tell you I have not heard not one person object to this.

So if you claim that those people exist, where are they?

Where are these people that claim to believe that we don't need this ordinance?

Because they're certainly not here.

And these people that are here, they're voting.

These people that are here are looking to grow up the candidates that are gonna be uh running to replace some of the candidates, and I would strongly suggest that it's gonna be Martinez and Ortiz and some of the other candidates that are here because we don't like the the direction the city council is going in.

We don't like the fact that it's taken so long for this to take place.

We are one of the largest cities that exist with the with a very large Latino population.

It's over a hundred and and it's 55,000 in Algin and about 170,000 throughout Kane County, and we don't have this here yet, and that doesn't make any sense.

With respect to Rose Martinez's prior experience, you have to believe that if those were your experiences, they could do better, and that the reason that you were elected was because we believe that you were gonna do better.

But looking at your history, you have an appalling history of a voting against Latino issues.

And if you choose to run against again, I will certainly be providing all of that information that is gonna be supported by news articles of your voting history.

You need to be concerned about the fact that you live in this community and you do not support your own community, and it makes no sense.

And it makes no sense.

And Anthony Ortiz, I don't understand if you claim to stand up every opportunity you get to come here before this council and before the people that appear to tell us that you have people that are not lawfully present in this country who are family members.

Are you not concerned about them?

And how do you look at your own family members and tell them that you're not voting for an ordinance that wants to include them and make them feel safe in this city?

That does not make sense.

This is the start of the type of ordinances and that this city needs, and we could constitute 50% of the population.

We are important, we matter.

When we succeed, this entire city succeeds.

We build businesses, we buy homes, we pay taxes, we we contribute, and we need to be safe and on the right side of history.

We need to know that our city governors that we have elected to represent us does so.

And it is it is discouraging that we don't feel that way, and that we should, and that there could be consequences to the city, which I pointed out on multiple occasions for not providing this type of ordinance to respond to these illegal actions that are being taken by our own federal government.

We need a response because they we need to make our community safer, and this is a step in the right direction.

So I encourage you all to vote in response to this uh diversity and inclusion ordinance.

Um, you know, to date, we have not seen anybody, you know, sign up, speak in any fashion against this.

So you need to consider that when you're voting because do these people exist?

I find it hard to believe because if they're as adamant as you're claiming that they are, they would be here, they would sign up and they would speak, and they're not.

So please vote in support of this ordinance, and thank you to Councilman Dixon and Alfaro.

Thank you.

Gracie Howell.

I'm Tracy Howell, and I've lived in Elgin, uh grown up in Algin, and I've been here quite a bit um lately talking about this inclusivity and diversity ordinance and trying to understand it myself.

Um community members have been very eloquent about how we all feel, and we are getting together every day, doing things to help our our community members without your help.

Um I hope that you've all done your homework on this ordinance and that you're not gonna point fingers at each other because we're tired of that.

We need and in fact, I challenge all of you to work together to come up with something, anything that's going to rebuild our trust in you and for this community, because we can't just flounder here for another 180 days.

Something has to be done sooner than later.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay, Mr.

Manager.

Thank you, Mayor.

The first item, uh, item A is a change order for the Riverside Water Treatment Plant and Well 5A at the airlight treatment plant, motor control center improvements.

In 2025, the city awarded Connolly Electric a contract that included the replacement of the motor control centers at both the Leal Nelson Riverside Water Treatment Plant and at Well 5A, closely close proximity to the airlight water treatment plant.

Part of the project includes expanding the sludge building number one superstructure at the Riverside Plant to meet current electrical codes for motor control center installation.

The sludge building number one superstructure is located adjacent to a roof over an underground structure that houses the sludge pumps and other equipment.

This roof was part of the original plant construction and has deteriorated to the point where rehabilitation is now required.

Staff is recommending city council approved change order number one to provide the pro uh necessary rehabilitation of the roof substructure at sludge building number one.

Move for approval.

Move the second floor approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call the roll.

Council Member Zalfaro.

Yes.

Dixon.

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne.

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes, the motion's approved.

9-0.

Item B is a resolution in support of a Cook County Class 6B property tax incentive for the property at 1717 Gifford Road.

PG Pay Holdings is an agreement to buy 1717 Gifford Road contingent upon receiving a Cook County Class 6B commercial property tax incentive.

PGP will be leasing the property to its related entity, Axiom Packaging, and Axiom will be spending about 10 million dollars on improvements to this 440,000 square foot industrial building.

Axiom will also be spending another 20 million dollars on equipment and installation.

That in addition to the purchase price for the 20-acre property is of $25 million.

Axiom's plans are to hire 200 full-time employees with preferences given to qualified local residents.

Axiom is a leading North American manufacturer of rigid plastic packaging solutions, and the company was founded in 2010.

It's rapidly expanded into multi-facility enterprise with more than 3,500 employees, over 4.6 million square feet of manufacturing space in the United States, Canada, and Mexico.

Axiom requires the incentive to make its LGIN location economically feasible.

The estimated Cook County taxes that would be generated if the 6B exemption was granted is about 14 and a half million.

By contrast, if that exemption wasn't granted, the tax bill for Axiom would be $32.3 million.

If this property was located in Kane County, the taxes would be approximately $12.1 million.

Once again, if the City Council approves this resolution, ultimate approval is dependent upon the Cook County board.

Move for approval.

Second.

It's moved and second for approval.

Any discussion.

Mr.

Stat.

Just one figure that the manager missed, and that is if this property remained vacant, the property, the taxes that would be generated over that 12 year period would be 6.3 million, way less than anything that we're considering here today tonight.

So as I have been in the past, I've been in support of these.

I uh support this.

So thank you.

Anything else?

Okay.

Cork, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

The motion is approved 90.

Congratulations.

Item C is a security services agreement for the Edward Shock Center of Elgin, Lord's Park, and Wing Park.

Parks and Recreation Department uses contracted security services to support daily operations at the Edward Shock Center of Elgin and to provide weekend patrol coverage at the Lords Park and Wing Park during peak summer months.

Contracted security personnel assist staff with monitoring facilities, supporting enforcement of facility policies and responding to situations that may require additional presence.

City issued a request for proposals to establish a new agreement for these services following the review of submissions.

Staff is recommending recommending entering into a three-year agreement with Andy Frain Services, the firm currently providing security for the city at these locations.

Move for approval.

Second.

Move and second for approval.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved nine zero.

Item D are the recommended athletic facility improvement grant funding recipients.

The athletic facility improvement grant represents a strong and strategic partnership between the city and volunteer-driven athletic organizations that serve thousands of residents each year.

These organizations operate on city-owned property, provide structured recreational opportunities for youth and adults, and invest significant fundraising dollars, volunteer labor, and operational resources back in the facilities that ultimately remain public assets.

The grant program helps ensure that important improvements to these city-owned facilities, particularly those relating to safety, accessibility, and long-term functionality, can move forward without placing the full financial burden on either the organization or the city.

The result is a shared investment model that maximizes community benefit benefit while responsible while responsibly stewarding public resources.

These grants are particularly valuable because many of these organizations prioritize scholarships and affordable participation, which can limit their ability to independently fund large capital improvements.

By providing targeted financial assistance, the city enables these groups to continue offering inclusive programming while addressing critical infrastructure needs such as ADA compliance, field and safety upgrades, and long-term maintenance improvements.

In return, as we know, the city benefits from well-maintained athletic facilities, reduced operational demands on staff, and strong community engagement driven by organization with deep roots in the city.

This year, uh Parks and Recreation Director Jen Hermanson is pleased to announce that six athletic organizations submitted funding requests with supporting quotes totaling 150,000 dollars.

This is the first year total the total requests aligned with the program's budgeted amount.

Again, the council's uh staff is recommending approval.

So moved.

Second move and secretary approval.

Any discussion?

Okay, Mr.

Snap.

Well, one was just answered.

I I was shocked that the total was 150,000, which is how much money there was, and so everybody's gonna get a grant that matches what they applied for, which was amazing.

So that's great.

The other thing um I see on the other agenda, the first bid we're rebuilding the concession stand at Drakefield.

So I I guess my question is I guess we're going all in with the football remaining at Drake Field, and we're gonna make that a go.

Yeah, as part of it in the when when we do get to the bid, there's a recognition that certain facility improvements go beyond the abilities of volunteer labor, and in those instances, the city will step in and provide the resources.

The uh modifications or the improvements to the Drake field concession stand is one of those examples.

Great, all right, thank you.

Okay, okay, anything else?

Ms.

Martinez.

Yes, I just have a question because uh I was asked um now Algin National Little League.

That's the one that's on Summit and Hiawatha.

And um I was asked that I guess it's the Algen Classic Little League.

That's the one that's probably on the west side.

And they also have concession stands, and they were asking about that.

What is the difference between um the National Little League, the classic little league, and then um Drake Field?

I couldn't answer that.

Are you asking whether the athletic uh the athletic organizations that operate these fields retain the money from their concession stands?

Right.

They all do.

Okay, good.

Thank you.

Yep.

Okay.

Okay.

Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorn?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes, motions approved 9-0.

Item E is a renewal agreement with higher ground incorporated for the live 911 software.

The software is used for mission control critical communications by the police department and fire department, and well, by the mostly by the police department, excuse me.

Live 911 enables secure live streaming of emergency calls directly to police officers in the field and provides a precise GPS map with the location of the caller.

The live 911 software is a web-based system and accessible to police officers through his or her in vehicle mobile daddy computer.

It provides an officer with a better understanding of the call for service because instead of relying solely on the emergency telecommunicator to provide information, the police officer, him or herself is able to hear everything that the telecommunicator can hear at the same time.

This technology promotes vital time-saving practices and enhances police officers' safety by considering real-time situational updates, location changes, and any other pertinent information provided by the caller.

Police department purchased this software in October 2020 24, has been using it throughout 2025, has had great results with the product, and is seeking to continue its use for another year.

Move for approval.

Second.

Move and second for approval.

Any discussion.

Mr.

Stefan.

Just a quick question on this one.

It's one I've raised at prior meetings, and I think I'll keep raising on software and contracts we we are entering into as a city.

And that is, you know, how are we protecting the data that this could be gathering and with a 911 call, some of that could be pretty sensitive.

I was I should have emailed the manager this ahead of time, but uh the the memo only has a one year one uh one-page renewal agreement, so it doesn't have the details.

So I I don't expect an answer right now, but I just throw this out there because I will continue to throw this out there.

What are we doing uh when we are reviewing these contracts and these software renewals to make sure our data is secure and not have the benefit of the chief of police in the audience, and I think that while I don't know the specifics in this instance, I know any software that the police department looks to contract with, there are underlying parameters, there are underlying parameters that govern the use of this sensitive information and how third parties might be able to access it.

Am I correct, Chief?

Yes, before we go into any agreement, we uh send it to our legal team for review, and uh those type of questions in terms of you know uh sharing information are answered because obviously we don't want to share our data or information with third parties.

In this instance, too, this is live.

So this is um this is a uh a live um they're actually listening to the 911 calls so that they're using it in real time.

So our 911 calls are uh we save the 911 calls if we receive the Freedom of the Information Act, then we have to um you know respond to that as such.

All right, thank you.

You're welcome.

Anything else?

Okay, Cork, please call the roll.

Council members of our Dixon?

Yes.

Good, yes, Martinez, yes, or Tees?

Yes, Powell?

Yes, Stefan?

Yes, Thorne?

Yes, Mayor Captain.

Yes, motions approved 9-0.

Item F.

Senior Management Analyst Giovanni Hungo and Police Commander Scott Holmes will be presenting information on proposed state legislation regulating micromobility devices.

City's experience with these devices over the past years will be described, and recommendations for city action in the absence of the state enacting a comprehensive regulatory scheme will be provided by Mr.

Jungo and Commander Holmes.

Good evening, Mr.

Hungo.

Hi, good evening, council and mayor and everyone here.

Um so tonight I'm providing an update uh regarding micromobility devices, which that means e-bikes, e-scooters, e-moto's, and any other emerging electric devices.

Uh over the past several years, obviously, we've seen these devices become increasingly common in our streets and communities throughout Illinois.

As the use has grown, obviously, municipalities and the state has been trying to figure out to determine how can these devices be incorporated into our transportation system.

Um this issue has obviously been receiving more and more attention as of lately due to uh the popularity of these devices, there's new emerging technology, and obviously the accidents that occur with these devices.

So tonight I'll go over a little bit of background and work that I've been doing.

Um I'll explain what micromobility is.

I'll talk about the issue that the state is trying to handle, which is these out-of-class devices.

Um I'll have Commander Combs over here come up here to the podium and talk about Elgin Police Department call trends and data that he has.

I'll also go over what the state is doing in 2026 and next steps and what that could mean for Elgin.

All right, so a little bit of background on this.

This is an issue I have been tracking for some time now.

Over the past year, we've been tracking regional discussions, monitoring device trends and reviewing how other municipalities have responded.

In September, I attended the Northwest Municipal Conference Summit in regards to micromobility devices and how communities across the region are approaching the issue and how and what the state recommends recommended to do back then and what Ride Illinois recommended to do back then.

I've also stayed in communication with Ride Illinois for the past six months.

Um for those of you who may not know who Ride Illinois is or familiar with them, they are a nonprofit organization that works with municipalities, uh transportation agencies and state legislators and bicycleal and micromobility uh policy and safety issues.

They are big advocates for sustainable transportation options.

They have partnered up with the Secretary of State and have been the leaders in discussion with about this topic.

I've also been tracking all of the state uh state activities since last year, and I'm currently tracking the bills.

Uh one consistent message from all those discussions was they advised municipalities not to rush into local ordinances because they were creating a patchwork of ordinances while the state is creating to uniformity.

So based on the advice from the state and right Illinois, we decided to hold off until the spring legislation session was over, and obviously go based on what the state's framework says.

So you might be thinking why this update now.

Obviously, there's a couple of reasons for this.

Uh, first, as we move into the summer, the spring months, um the warmer weather tends to attract these devices outside.

Uh the the use of these devices will obviously increase in the upcoming months.

Another reason is the that the state of Illinois has recently announced a statewide initiative focused on micromobility safety.

In January, the Secretary of States launched the Ride Safe, Right Smart, Ride Ready campaign.

In addition, legislation related to these devices is currently in the spring legislative session with the goal to modernize these standards.

And we want to align our local approach with the upcoming state framework, obviously.

So because of those developments, that's that is why right now we are bringing this topic.

So what are micromobility devices?

As you look in the slide, micromobility generally refers to small personal transportation devices used for short trips.

That includes devices such as electric unicycles, electric skateboards, electric scooters, electric bicycles, electric motorbikes, and a bunch of other new emerging devices.

So part of the reason why these devices have grown so quickly, it's because they are appealing, they can be more affordable than a car, they're convenient for short distances, and environmentally friendly.

So for many people, they're also just fun to use.

On the top left, you have your regular class one, class two, class three e-bikes, which are regulated by the state.

I'll go more in depth about that in a second.

Obviously, they can look a little different, but that's your typical class one, class two, to class three.

Right next to it, it's a high speed e-bike.

So those are currently not regulated by the state.

After that one, we have an e-moto, also not regulated by the state.

E-skateboard as well.

At the bottom left, we have a low speed electric scooter.

Right next to it, we have a high speed electric scooter.

After that, we have an electric unicycle, and then we have a hoverboard.

So obviously, these devices are they can look cool, they can look appealing, they can be very fast, and they're sold everywhere.

Retailers online, you can easily buy on Amazon, Walmart, etc.

So Illinois already has regulatory framework for certain micromobility devices, particularly low speed e-bikes and e-scooters.

So these next two slides are directly from the Secretary of State page, so people know what the current rules are.

So under the current law, what are called low speed electric bicycles fall into those three classes that I talked about.

Class one and class two e-bikes are limited to speeds of up to 20 miles per hour, while class three pedal assist bicycles can reach speeds up to 28 miles per hour.

So class one is a pedal assist, class two is throttle assist, like I mentioned, class three is just a pedal assist.

The current regulation says that these devices are allowed on streets, bike lanes, bike paths, and shared use trails.

They're prohibited on sidewalks, and class three riders must be 16 years or older.

Now, where it gets a little trickier is those high-speed electric bicycles and e-motos.

So a lot of these they go above, they can go above 50 miles an hour, and they're not currently regulated.

Another thing to know, they are 750 watts or more.

So currently, right now you can go on Amazon or online, just type e-bike, and any of these might show up, which is obviously creating a lot of confusion for people who are purchasing these devices.

But the state only regulates the low-speed electric bicycles.

The other ones are not currently regulated.

When we look beyond the traditional e-bikes, we see several other types of micromobility devices that are becoming more common.

These include electric unicycles, which can go up to speeds up to 50 miles an hour or more, and they're currently not regulated.

They can be very fast.

An example that somebody gave Alexi Genulius, the Secretary of State was they were riding the expressway, and somebody they were on the expressway stuck in traffic while somebody was riding a unicycle 50 miles an hour.

No helmet, no nothing, just flying by.

That nowadays they can go 50 to 40 miles an hour, and they're not regulated by the state either.

I think most of us know what that is, but I do want to want you all to pay attention to the current regulations that the state has.

So currently, right now, the regulation limits these scooters that are capable of traveling up to 10 miles an hour.

Riders must be 18 years or older to have to ride these e-scooters.

And I know why you might be thinking, so you can be 16 and drive a car, but you have to be 18 to be on an e-scooter.

And that's part of the whole thing that the state is currently looking at right now with the bills.

They're currently looking at all this.

They're looking at the current regulated devices and the ones that are now regulated, because some of these things obviously seem like they don't make sense.

Because most of the kids riding these e-scooters are children.

And the state regulates these, that they can only be used on streets, bike lanes, bike paths, and shared use trails.

They can be regular regulated regulated locally as well.

They are prohibited on streets with speeds greater than 50, 35 miles an hour, and highways as well.

The high-speed e-scooters that they now sell online as well, they can go up to 50 miles an hour or more as well.

So the state is having the same issue with these devices.

You can just type e-scooter and you might get one of these e-scooters that go 40, 50, 60 miles an hour, but they're not regulated by the state.

So now I want to focus a little bit on these out-of-class devices.

Like I mentioned, those out-of-class devices are those high-speed e-bikes that are 750 watts or more, e-motos, electric dirt bikes, high-speed scooters, electric unicycles, electric skateboards, and obviously there's more emerging technology.

So the law has been struggling with these devices over the past several years.

In many cases, they technically technically fall under motor vehicle laws, but they cannot be registered, they don't have VIN numbers, and they lack the required safety equipment.

As a result, law enforcement is often left between the bicycle rules or motorcycle rules, but many of these devices fit in either category clearly, which creates more confusion.

Which leads into this next slide.

Why is confusion growing?

So Alexey Geniulis said technology has advanced faster than the vehicle code.

And then obviously, retail marketing often labels out-of-class devices, like I mentioned, as e-bikes or e-scooters where not when they're not regulated by the states.

So last fall, when a bunch of communities started doing their own ordinance regarding micromobility, it caused a lot of confusion.

So you can go from, for example, from Hoffman to Schaumburg, and they have different regulations, or from South Elgin to St.

Charles, and they have different regulations.

It would be the equivalent of driving your car, your vehicle, and going from Elgin to South Elgin and having different rules and regulations.

That is why Alexi Genuis have emphasized that he wants to create uniformity across the state.

He doesn't want to see this patchwork of rules that currently that most towns have currently right now.

The other thing is obviously because all that law enforcement is placed in the middle without a clear statewide definition for some of these devices.

With that, I want to go over to and cover some of the local conditions of what we're seeing right now.

I'm gonna have Commander Holmes come up here and talk a little bit about what we're what rail gent is today.

Thank you, Gio.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

I'm here to provide a brief overview of how the Elgin Police Department currently enforces the city's ordinance related to the motor-driven cycles and how that applies to what we now commonly refer to as micro mobility devices.

First, I want to address the language in the ordinance itself.

So the current code was written prior to obviously this widespread use of modern micromobility devices, and as a result, the definitions are very broad.

They don't distinguish between the different types of devices, the relative risk levels, and because of this, many devices that are common that uh Gio was pointing out here, such as these e-bikes and e-scooters fall under the same classification as motor-driven cycles in our ordinance.

So, in practical terms, unless those devices meet the full state requirements for registration, titling, and licensing, they are generally prohibited from being operated on public streets, sidewalks, bike paths, and similar areas in town.

So the ordinance doesn't specifically name to today's devices, it's broad language, basically gives us a wide range of prohibition.

So, from an enforcement standpoint, the police department enforces the ordinance as written, but we prioritize safety and community impact with that.

So our approach emphasizes education, voluntary compliance whenever possible, and in many cases, particularly with the young riders of these devices or first-time contacts, officers will provide warnings, try to explain the ordinance to them in an effort to gain compliance without any enforcement.

And those types of calls might not even show up in specific search related electronic bikes or scooters that I had that it's gonna come up in the next slide.

However, there are obviously situations where enforcement is appropriate, and citations which currently include impounding of the device itself are typically reserved for circumstances involving unsafe operations.

So that's your reckless driving, operating in a manner that's creating a hazard for pedestrians or traffic, repeated violations after warnings, or if we get a specific complaint from the community and we're out there and we have to address that.

So, in short, our focus is on behavior and safety and not just the presence of the device itself.

Officers receive training during uh their field training and during in house where they're encouraged to review local ordinances while they're completing those, and we put out training bulletins from time to time that cover that with our most frequent frequent uh recent one covering the frequent uh towing issues that we have, not just with these devices but with everything.

So, in terms of how we respond to these incidents, you'll see some numbers up here.

Our enforcement is largely driven by calls for service or officer initiated activity.

But we have to focus on identifying and tracking these can be challenging.

So the calls for service are documented based on information entered into our CAD system by the telecommunicators or responding officers, and that information can vary depending on this how the situation is described at the time.

So, in many cases, it may not be immediately clearer if a device is motor driven, if it's electronic driven, or if it's neither, and it can make it difficult to constantly categorize or retrieve all the related incidences for analysis.

So, like in this instance, when I was looking up all these, I had to search by keywords.

So I had to search by electronic bike, e-bike, electric bike, e-scooter, electronic scooter, all those different variations of anything that might be typed in a call because the call types that they show up on are a juvenile problem, an accident, a traffic problem, a neighbor complaint.

Like there's not a single call that you can go to and get this information.

So it's a lot of searching, and then again, like I said, it's dependent on what's actually typed into the call because I'm searching for those specific words.

But anybody could just say motorized, and it turns out to be an e-bike, and I wouldn't be able to see that if there wasn't enforcement taken on that call.

So as a result, these these numbers should be viewed as a minimum representation of activity.

That's because there's likely additional calls involving these micro mobility devices that are not captured within these figures due to what I was just explaining.

So looking at this, we've had a total of 31 calls for service, and by calls for service, those are just either citizen complaints or accidents.

This is not the officer's self-initiated activity if they see somebody driving recklessly and they they stop that person.

This is just citizens calling in, either a complaint about people riding them in a dangerous manner or an accident itself.

We've had 31 calls like that since January 1st, 2021 through March of 2026, and of those, 15 have occurred since January 1st of 2025.

Citation data is more precise because each citation that's issued for these specific is specific to this violation, right?

It's specific in the city ordinance, so there's no variation in those.

In the same time frame, we've written 14 citations, nine of those coming since January 1st of 2025.

And you can see the calls for service, and then adding in even the officer-initiated activity.

It occurs throughout the city.

There's a slight concentration along and west of Randall Road, trying to look at some of those calls for service and tie in that stuff.

It's likely due to higher traffic volumes in the area, which increase safety concerns, it increases the visibility to the public.

You know, coming from busier roadways where interactions between riders and vehicles and pedestrians are just more frequent.

Then I'll pass it back over here, Gio, but I will be available if there's any questions on any of that.

Yes, and just to add to that data, so I looked at data from 301 as well.

Uh, from 2021 to March of 2026, there was a total of seven emails or calls that were specific to e-bikes, e scooters, or any of these e-devices.

So I also looked into that.

Um with that.

So looking at this data overall, there are a few takeaways from this.

Um, obviously, activity is measurable, but it's still relatively low for a city of of our size.

Uh obviously, those numbers have been growing, and they're probably gonna continue to grow as there's more of these electric devices.

Elgin has not seen uh documented downtown hotspots.

Doesn't mean that those devices aren't in downtown, just means people aren't calling.

Um, like I mentioned, activity has increased over the past year, and their primary concern continues to be those auto-class devices and inconsistent public understanding.

And we know that call data may be incomplete due to misidentified devices and underreporting, but that's not unique to just Elgin.

Um, and not just unique to these type of devices either.

So, with that now, I'll move over to state developments and what the state is actually doing in the spring legislative session.

So, Illinois has recognized that the current vehicle code has now fully kept pace with how quickly these devices have evolved.

The state has been very clear that on clear rules put everyone everyone at risk.

Um, that is one reason why Secretary of State, Alexi Genulius announced a statewide safety initiative earlier this year.

So Alexi Genuis said uh legislative sponsors have been identified and legislation expected during this spring 2026 session.

So currently there's several micromobility bills that are under active consideration in the Illinois House and Senate.

The state has been working with stakeholders across Illinois to identify where the current vehicle code has gaps and what changes may be needed.

And one thing to note is that the Illinois generally general assembly session runs through May 31st, so they won't be done until the end of May.

And they actually met today, so the bills are moving through.

The first component is education, including updated driver education curriculum developed with the Illinois High School and College Driver Education Association.

The second is the community-based enforcement, meaning clearer and more consistent guidance with law enforcement partners.

The third is public awareness through a statewide campaign designed to help residents better understand device types, legal use, and safety responsibilities.

So the state is trying to build education and enforcement around this framework.

So what is the spring 2026 legislation trying to accomplish?

Well, first, the state is looking to obviously create clear statewide definitions for devices such as high-speed e-bikes, e motos, electric scooters, and other micromobility devices, possibly revisiting some of the existing definitions, such as that e-scooter with the age limit of 18, or age minimum age of 18 to write those scooters.

The second thing, they are also trying to establish safety rules, which possibly include age requirements, helmet requirements, where devices can operate, and equipment requirements.

So what does that mean for Elgin moving forward?

So obviously, we we will continue to respond to accidents or complaints or unsafe behavior through normal enforcement.

We would maintain the current ordinance while statewide standards are being developed.

Because we know the Illinois is actively developing these statewide regulations.

And also keep in mind that acting locally now could require immediate revisions once state law changes.

So right after state action.

Sorry, things moving around.

So we would obviously brief the council on enacted legislation and implications.

We will bring forward recommended co-updates that aligned with the statewide standards.

We would evaluate targeted local measures if needed, such as walk your wheels in high pedestrian areas, or more targeted uh regulations where appropriate.

We would obviously communicate these new rules and requirements to residents through a clear public outreach and education campaign.

So everyone knows what to expect.

And obviously, in absence of a statewide regulatory framework, because sometimes the state, as we note, they might say something, a bill is come coming through, but it's not.

But from Alexi Genuis has said he doesn't want to repeat whatever happened in 2025, he doesn't want to repeat it.

He wants to make sure this passes in the spring legislative set session.

He doesn't want 2025 to repeat in 2026.

So since last year in the fall, when a bunch of municipalities started enacting their own ordinances, I started to review their ordinances adopted by those municipalities to see what and identify some options for Elgin.

And also through my conversations with Ride Illinois, they specifically pointed to the city of Rolling Meadows as a model approach for Elgin to follow.

But I also identify St.

Charles and Lombard as other uh ordinances that we could also incorporate.

So it would be a combination of all three.

So obviously, that local ordinance would help fill that gap that the state is currently missing.

The city would obviously also do a communications campaign.

That way the public knows what to expect and know and knows what they can ride on the street and what they cannot.

And we would always have to keep in mind that any ordinance adopted locally could require revision as soon as the state decides to finalize its framework.

So at the same time, the city has already kicked off the active mobility plan, which is focused on improving safety and connect and connectivity for walking, biking, and rolling.

So that goes in line.

So with that, another thing to keep in mind.

So the state has the current regulations.

So we were to do our own ordinance.

We cannot be less restrictive than the state.

So for example, going back to, for example, the e-scooters, they currently say that you have to be at least 18 years or older to write it.

We couldn't say that you can be 12 years or older and write it.

We can be more restrictive, we can say they can they have to be 19, 20, or 21, or ban them completely, which some towns have done that.

Same with the e-bike.

We can't be less restricted than the state.

We have to, that's the threshold.

So that's why the state is obviously looking at this whole thing, the whole micromobility devices as a whole, because obviously that they know that there's gaps in the current framework, and there's obviously gaps with the unregulated devices.

So with that, I open it up to questions or comments.

Okay.

Mr.

Thorne.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you, Gio and uh Scott, for the presentation.

I'm curious.

You're in touch with this concept.

Do you foresee any immediate changes that uh you know of?

I mean, what what do you think is gonna be the changes right out of the gate here?

So if I go back to this slide.

So there's no there's nothing yet decided.

Obviously, they're certain they're still in legislative session right now.

It's currently right now ongoing.

I'm just asking you what you think might be.

What do I think?

I mean, obviously, they're probably gonna do something regarding they're gonna regulate these high-speed devices.

That's for sure.

They've told us that they've said that publicly.

They're gonna regulate those e-motos, those high speed e-bikes, those high speed e-scooters, um, and then obviously smaller things like helmet requirements and more.

I don't know exactly what's gonna pass and what's not.

They're in currently right now, they're in session, so I don't know what's going to pass.

I am tracking those bills, and I'm tracking those meetings that they're having.

So right now it's it shows, I mean it's in the initial faces.

But based off what I know, obviously they're gonna regulate for sure those high-speed devices.

And then I had a question for Scott.

I wondered have there actually been accidents reported in LGIN.

Yes, uh, I can get, I think if it wasn't on that slide that I gave geo, I broke down.

So since 2021, there I believe has been 10 accidents.

Um, including one of our accidents last year, it kind of falls in the gray, was a fatal, and it was actually an electric conversion kit that was put onto a bike, but those are also commonly available, and I think would still it still fall in the framework of being regulated under an ordinance or possibly by the state.

But yes, we have had at least 10 reported to us.

Um there obviously are probably accidents that are just like single vehicle people crashing that we don't hear, even if they get hurt and go to the hospital that wouldn't require our response or a fire department response, so I couldn't answer that.

But we have gone to at least 10.

Thank you guys.

Okay, anything else?

Anything else?

So far.

Thank you for the presentation.

Just a comment.

If the state doesn't pass, you know what they're proposing and we have to take action on our own.

I think it'd be a good idea to um get sustainabilities commission's feedback on it.

Because although a lot of people have it for just fun and running around, um, some people actually use it to be um friendly to the environment.

So I'd be curious in hearing their perspective as if we need to draft our own and revise our own ordinance on that.

Sounds good.

Mr.

Dixon.

Uh thank you, gentlemen, for the presentation.

Um I will just add to that and say we we have a mobility plan too, and so there's obviously been an uptick in the number of these devices that are out on the road.

Um, and it's not going to go away anytime soon, especially with this uh high gas prices are people are are really gonna be leaning leaning into these devices more.

Um so I would just suggest that um we look at our mobility plan and um I know that we added more bike lanes and things of that nature, and so maybe we need to um to increase those as well as anything else that may uh support this trend that's uh not going away.

So other than that, thank you.

Good job.

Okay, anything else, Mr.

Steffi.

Yeah, I just thank you, Gio and Scott.

This was great.

Um I guess to follow up on the comments so far.

I I would request that maybe the first week or first meeting in June for us will be after the legislative session.

We'll either know that the state enacted something or we need to do something.

For sure, and that kind of aligns with our plans because obviously we know that kids go on summer break in early June.

Um, and obviously by the end of May, I'll know for sure if it this is gonna pass through or not with the state.

Right.

That's all I had, thanks.

Ms.

Paul, adjourn.

Yes, thank you for the presentation and the information.

Um it's interesting to see in the presentation that there weren't um complaints or reports of accidents.

I believe you said downtown.

Uh I know I've spoken to some downtown business owners, and and they were complaining to me about the issue of people on electric bikes and scooters on the sidewalk coming, you know, causing close calls between you know um patrons coming out of their businesses or or entering their businesses um on the sidewalk.

So I I think what you said is is very important to know that the this data is probably underreported.

Um it doesn't give the whole picture, but I I do think it's a a bigger issue that we should obviously be looking at.

Yeah, I I can say unequivocally with all of our calls for service that there were none downtown, but that could be because people don't realize that just the electronic scooters and bikes as the code is written right now or are prohibited in town, or they bring that complaint to a council member and they don't they don't call the police to enforce that.

But in all the calls that I looked for for service with all those keywords, there wasn't a single one that was down in the downtown area.

And it's definitely underreported, I just can't give you a percentage.

All I can give you is the hundred percent definite what I can't tell you for sure are our calls.

So a question in terms of whether the state um passes something or we have to pass something locally.

Will there be a mechanism put in place to ensure that calls for service are classified in a way that allows us to capture this data more accurately moving forward?

We can certainly look into it.

Um part of the reason why it's hard now is because the current ordinance that we have, I think the last time it was touched was probably like 2014, and the definition goes back, I think all the way to like 2003, and it just basically covers everything that's electric.

Um there's not a lot of enforcement like the hard enforcement on the officers end, it's a lot more education because like Gio had pointed out, a lot of times you're coming across these are kids, and if we choose to do enforcement, then it's a hundred dollar fine to the family and we tow it.

That's just the way that's written right now.

So we generally try to go against that and choose education.

Um, but it's set certainly something that we can come up with and we can look at how can we identify it better, how can we track it better so that we can report back to you on what that looks like when whatever changes are made.

Yeah, I I think that's important just listening to what you said and and being able to capture this data uh appropriately.

I think that's gonna be an important piece moving forward, whether we do something here at the local level or um something that's done at the state level.

That's those are my comments.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Okay.

Ms.

Martinez.

Thank you, Mayor.

Umander Holmes and Gio, thank you very much.

Uh I have a few questions.

Is there any classes that you know of that people can take when they buy these uh motor these electric uh vehicles?

Not that I'm aware that there's classes for these devices.

Okay.

And then um what I'd like to see, I um when you gave us the results of like 14 citations and nine citations.

Is there like um any way that you can put like the ages?

Because the biggest complaints that I hear are uh young kids.

And um, I can tell you, so I have if you give me a second, I have them listed here just in case just in case I got that question.

Okay.

I wanted to be prepared for that.

Um the majority of the citations, and I'm not surprised for it, uh, actually go to adults.

So out of those 14, I only see two that went to juveniles.

Um I think part of that is again because most of the time it's education.

Most of the complaints are kids, but I will tell you most of the complaints, at least the way they're worded in our calls, it's more of a safety concern.

Uh it's not what I would call a quality of life or if an annoyance there's a like, hey, I think that's unsafe.

You should probably go educate them on you know, either wearing a helmet or what the city ordinance is.

But the majority of those citations are are issued to adults.

Yeah, that's where I was coming uh where I was asking about classes.

Um I think what happens is that people don't realize um how dangerous these can be, especially when you're going 50 miles per hour.

And uh you barely it's been a while, but it took time to get um motorcycle riders to wear helmets, you know.

And um just recently in the news, it's been about the 16 year old that was also fatal uh accident.

Um I know that there's a community here on the east side, and they were concerned.

Um I think the scariest thing is when you're backing up, and then um one of these e-bikes go by because they're not really looking at that, especially with kids.

I guess they don't understand that.

That's a scary thing.

I wonder uh something like that, they have a large HOA, if maybe it can be by HOAs that could control that.

I don't know, you know.

I'm just throwing it out there.

Um what do you think?

Right?

All in their private property.

I mean, but we're talking about sidewalks and streets.

Yeah, we're talking about public um public sidewalks, public streets.

Because people can buy these e-models, these e high speed devices for their private property.

Yeah, they're not gonna be regulated on private property.

Okay, because um uh the one that I'm thinking of is Toastmaster.

Like that would be a nice ride right there.

You know, uh there isn't that much traffic.

Um thank you.

I appreciate it.

Okay, and I think to note that's why the state is trying to regulate those high-speed devices, which most likely, who knows, but they might require uh a driver's license, like for example, those e-motos that go 50, 60, 70 miles an hour, they're most likely gonna require stuff like that.

Well, the concern too is that the average uh speed here in town is like 30, maybe 40, and these things can go 50, and so I think that's kind of concerning.

Thank you.

Anything else?

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you.

Okay, uh this time I'd enter entertain a motion to adjourn.

Entertain a motion to adjourn, and we'll reconvene at uh 7.35 at the regular council meeting.

Make a motion.

Motion to adjourn.

A motion to adjourn.

Second.

It's moved and seconded.

Clerk please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro.

No.

Dixon?

No.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez, yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

No.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes, motions approved 6-3.

We'll reconvene at 7.35.

Belgian City Council for March twenty-fifth, twenty twenty-six to order.

Please join me in the Pledge of Illusion.

To the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.

One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Okay, well, Cork, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zafaro?

Yes.

Dixon.

President.

Good?

Here.

Martinez?

Here.

Ortiz?

Here.

Powell.

Here.

Stefan?

Here.

Thorne?

Here.

Mayor Captain.

Uh here.

We have uh approval of the minutes of the previous meeting, March eleventh, twenty twenty-six.

Second.

Moved and seconded before approval.

Any corrections or additions.

Hearing none, court, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Abstain.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved.

Eight zero with one abstention.

We have uh no proclamations this evening, so for public comment.

We have a number of people again have signed up.

First person is Charles Graf.

Good evening.

Uh Charles Gross lived in Elgin about five years, moved here because I saw it was a diverse and inclusive community.

I wanted to raise my uh mixed race family here, and I'm very excited to see that it looks like you guys are hopefully going to vote in support of this ordinance to make sure that it's welcome in the community.

Also wanted to use the time to just uh commend the U forty six school district that my daughter's had an excellent experience in school with Belgian in Elgin, and I think that's largely in part due to the diverse diversity of her student body.

I know that students in her school have missed class and school events due to not feeling safe leaving their house, and I don't think that's acceptable in our community.

Um it's a challenging time, and I encourage you to do the right thing, and you'll be remembered in history for it.

It's not always to do it easy to do what's right, but your community feels Liliana Jackson.

That will protect our ice-free zones, uphold the trust act, provide legal defense and funds for our neighbors affected by the ice raves, provide a municipal identification card for residents in need, and provide language access for city council meetings.

Genuinely, I did not know where to start with my speech today.

At first I felt ashamed and disappointed when I heard that the ordinance didn't have the backing that it needed.

And when I heard that you, Ortiz and Martinez said that Elgin was already a welcoming city, and we don't, we didn't see the need from the community.

I felt angry.

How incredibly dismissive of all of the work that the people in this room today and thousands of others have put in.

Kids are walking out of class.

Your community has been telling you what they need since I was first deployed in Chicago, and you took over a year to ban them from just city property.

We were welcoming, are you?

We need more than a positive attitude in pixie dust.

We need pen to paper, we need to codify this ordinance.

We need translators in these meetings.

The families affected by this need money.

You want to improve foot traffic in the downtown.

You want to improve the health of the river.

How about we start by protecting it and uplifting the people who built lives here?

At this point, it feels you're either not listening or you're just playing in everybody's faces.

The second one.

You have a responsibility to the people of Elgin.

Do the right thing.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Does anybody else feel stupid for being here today?

It feels stupid.

That's how I feel standing here having to convince people to what's the language?

To treat documented and undocumented immigrants with respect and dignity.

Who needs convincing?

You too?

The last time we referred to people as less than people was in the 1700s.

When people were classified as three-fifths a person.

Do they not deserve the same treatment?

The respect and dignity.

They're not asking for anything extra.

It's respect and dignity.

That's what it says.

Respect and dignity.

Two very basic fundamental things that should be provided to all.

The 1700s was over 300 years ago.

Why are we now still having to convince people to treat people like people?

When you run for a position, it's to serve the people, correct?

And when you ran, did you say I am going to serve the citizens of Elgin or the people of Elgin?

Who just voted on e-bikes or discussed e-bikes and scooters and voted for funding for different programs in Elgin?

Is that only for the citizens of Elgin?

Or will immigrants be able to drive e-bikes and put their kids in these sports that the city is funding?

Because when you take those votes, you don't make a distinction on the class of people and their immigration status.

Why are we doing it now?

Elena asked, what are you afraid of?

I have the same question.

What's on the opposite end of this?

Treating people like people is gonna do what?

Councilwoman Martinez, last time you mentioned a grant for a bridge.

Are we putting bridges over people?

First of all, who's gonna build the bridge?

And then who's gonna drive over it if we don't have any more citizens or constituents in Algin?

Or they're too afraid to leave their homes.

There's deeper questions in this.

And when you're in a position, the one like the one that you guys are all in, you can't sway with whatever way the wind blows that day.

You have to say what we call cojones, whales.

You have to have that.

And you have to pick a position.

Because as I told you guys last time, when you don't pick a position, you are picking a position.

That's right.

We all just stood and said the Pledge of Allegiance.

We ended it with for all.

Our Pledge of Allegiance does not say for citizens.

It does not say for documented people.

It says for all.

Now, I would like to finish speaking with police support.

However, I'm not gonna do that because that would feel stupid because I'm never gonna beg someone to treat someone else as a person.

These are people.

Full people, not three-fifths the person like we did in the 1700s.

They are people.

There is nothing that tells you that someone is less than just by looking at them.

And they are not less than.

They are the same as us.

Now we want to fund and build up the city of Algin in our downtown area.

Who do you think is spending the money there?

It's these people.

They make up a very large percentage of the people in Elgin.

If they're not spending any money, what job are you gonna have left to do?

Now they mobilized very quickly.

If you watch social media, you'll see how quickly Elena and Eddie and their group mobilized.

How quickly other people mobilized?

Who needs their kids picked up from school?

Who needs groceries?

What do you need so that you can just do basic functions that we all get to do every single day?

And these are other people willing to do it for them.

We live in a world with don't talk to strangers.

Right?

We don't get in cars with strangers, we don't walk up to a stranger's random door.

People are doing that now to give them food here because you can't go to the grocery store.

Here's your child.

I picked them up from school.

So you wouldn't get deported.

That's what we're dealing with.

Thank you.

Lewis Wilkins.

But what we make of it.

Maybe this situation, brown people in our community, is a little too close for us, for some of us.

Fine.

We can think back to slave patrols in the 1860s.

What would you do then?

Would you defend your neighbors?

Would you give them equal justice before the law?

In the United States, we have a right to an attorney.

But there is a gap with civil immigration enforcement.

This ordinance asks us to close this gap.

I would ask that it not close a gap just for undocumented immigrants.

It says anyone who's caught up in immigration, supposed immigration enforcement activity.

So legal residents who are caught up.

Citizens in our community who have been caught up.

I ask that it defend our city council members.

If they are, if you are caught up in civil immigration enforcement activities.

We defend ourselves.

I don't know about you.

I grew up hearing about life and liberty.

That is at the core foundation of Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

We're not talking about sports complexes.

We're talking about fundamental human rights.

Life and liberty.

These people who are caught up in this, they don't choose to be caught up across history.

They never choose to be caught up in injustice.

Go back in time.

Slave patrols in the 1860s and before to the shame of our forebears.

To the shame of this community when a cross was burned in front of a Roman Catholic church in the 1920s and police did not respond, not current police.

To our shame.

Jewish people across Europe who are chased by the Gestapo.

Japanese internment camps.

If this situation, if defending your neighbors is too close to you, think back to them.

What would you do if they came after Japanese, ethnic Japanese neighbors in your community?

Would you defend them legally?

Would you give one dime?

One dime.

Maybe a penny, maybe a nickel, maybe a dime for every citizen of Algin.

To keep them from every citizen of Elgin to keep one citizen, one neighbor, one of our residents, safe.

Legally defended.

Wouldn't you give up that dime?

I would.

It does not, it does not take a CFA charter holder like myself to analyze city financial statements and see where our revenue comes from.

We see that it comes from property tax, sales tax, income tax, ambulance fees.

Liquor tax.

Every resident pays for that.

So when I'm here for the first time, for the first time since I've been coming to these meetings, you're concerned about costs.

Right.

With fundamental human rights.

You spend so much on predicted tax alphabetes, one and a half million.

You spend uh one and a half million dollars today.

But fundamental human rights is where you draw the line.

It does not take a CFA charter holder to see that.

So I asked, not can you afford it?

Can you afford not to spend that money to defend your citizens to protect their families?

You know, to keep them as residents here in Elgin when we know if you look at the data, immigrants, all of them.

Undocumented and documented alike, make our community safer if you look at the data.

They pay taxes, federal, the federal deficit would be double what it is if not for undocumented immigrants because they pay in, but they don't receive.

I'm just saying.

The federal government does not care about you.

But you know who does?

The residents of Elgin.

Okay.

Alright.

Thank you to all the familiar faces here tonight.

Thank you to the new faces too.

This is unity.

This is community.

This is strength.

This is resistance.

We're all in this fight together.

A lot of us see each other regularly.

When we patrol, when we volunteer, when we do protests, when we attend town meetings like today.

We're putting the work in to keep our community safe and to advocate for our neighbors.

Can you?

Please?

Will you?

It's 2026.

Let's not let history keep repeating itself.

If you can't do anything to stop this, the least you can do is something to help those affected by this injustice and violation of human rights.

What about the ordinance is not okay?

The part that lets productive members of society understand important issues in meetings like right now.

Or the part that adds uh to the budget of fund for our neighbors that are being targeted and attacked.

There's children in concentration camps.

I'm a mother.

I'm a mother to a child with special needs.

There's children in concentration camps that have disabilities, serious disabilities, that they need certain things to survive.

They're dying.

Their health is declining rapidly while you guys go home and enjoy your families.

Elderly people are dying way too soon at 60, 70, 80 years old.

Older than Rosa, you should retire.

You're an accessory to crime if you vote no to this.

I want you to understand that.

You're a part of the problem.

Martinez or Teez, I have nothing to say to you, you guys suck.

You're a waste of space up there.

You use minorities for support and popularity, but you do not stand with us.

The oppressed people.

You're ignorant Latinos that think your families themselves are exceptions.

You're not.

You're a minority, you're a target.

You're another target.

Okay.

Don't be a part of the problem, be a part of the change, okay?

Mr.

Future Billionaire, Miss, I'm the brownest one here.

Stand up for what really matters.

And the rest of you, use your privilege, okay, in the right way.

Stand up for those that don't have it.

Even you, mayor, right before you retire.

Thank you, Dixon.

Thank you, El Faro.

Thank you, Powell.

I appreciate you guys for being the only ones that are minorities up here actually speaking up and fighting for what we need.

We'll continue to support you if this is real and not fake, you know.

Thank you for doing the work that you do.

The rest of you still have a chance, other than the two hopeless ones right there.

Thank you for your time.

Jennifer Rosalas.

Hello.

Um, thank you all for being here today and listening to me speak.

Um I didn't plan on speaking today.

I debated um whether it was worth it because if at this point, after listening to what your community has stood up here and said directly to your face, if by now it has not impressed upon you the importance of this ordinance, I felt that it was a lost cause.

I do also understand tactics that are placed in order to silence us, so I am here to speak.

I'm gonna try to use my time to speak to those who wanted who were more outspoken last time, and I'll start with against the ordinance.

Um councilman good, um, you looked at me and you said that this community trusts you.

I didn't hear one person here today say that they felt that we trusted you.

I've spoken to community members because I am blessed and lucky to work with an organization where I work with community members every single day, and they're scared, they don't trust you.

You mentioned data.

Let's talk about data.

What is data support?

Facts.

And you sat on that race bench and you wanted to tell me what my truth was.

You you wanted to tell every single person that their truth wasn't real because of the reality that you've created for yourself.

That doesn't negate the fact that the majority of the individuals attained by ice do not have a criminal record.

That's a fact.

That's the truth.

So I encourage you to make data-based decisions, right?

If we talk about data, if we talk about intelligence, I also ask that you not impose your reality as a fact, because your reality is not the same as ours.

You sit in a position where you should listen.

I ask you to do that.

I ask you to consider as a family man that you said that you are what your children will remember, or what they can speak to when they speak about councilman good.

Did he lead with bravery, courage, compassion?

Or did he lead with his self-interest above all and comfortability?

I would like to speak to um Ortiz and Councilman Martinez or councilwoman Martinez.

Uh, when this administration was voted in office, I educated myself in the need for our community to assimilate whiteness, to see ourselves through your centric lens, to separate ourselves from our roots and our heritage.

I understand, Councilman Martinez, that maybe you had to do it out of survival, but we were past that.

We were allowed to be proud of being Latinas and Latinos.

I was proud.

I am proud, and I'm not ashamed of being a Mexican.

You guys celebrate it, right?

We have Latino His uh Hispanic Heritage Month.

You close off the streets just a few streets down.

We were getting chased by ice.

Your celebrations continued.

So you don't hesitate to celebrate us because that's easy, that's convenient.

That's a good that's good for optics.

But this is the work that matters.

What are you doing to support it?

What are you doing to build a stronger foundation that the next administration is not gonna destroy?

What are you doing to make things better instead of being a doorstopper instead of being a roadblock?

I encourage you to self-reflect.

I encourage you to put more pride in the person that you see in the mirror.

You guys led your campaigns and were voted in because of your last names and because of the way that you look.

You do not get to weaponize that.

You do your race bench does not trump my experience as another brown woman, browner than you, Rose.

Ortiz.

You do it for the money, not the people.

Why are we what are we doing here?

Because if this ordinance didn't matter, all of these people who probably came from work from a really long day of work from being mothers, some of us didn't even have a way to get here, but we figured it out.

So for those of you who said, Oh, we we we don't want it.

The people don't want this, the people I'm speaking to.

I am very, very curious to find out who where that population lies.

If it's at a fundraiser, come on.

But let's get in those rooms.

Let's have those conversations with the same people.

Because they told me, why would they call Elgin City members?

Why would they confide in you guys?

When your best interests are what comes first, and then you will decide what is best for the community that you've chosen to represent.

This is the legacy.

When we look back, we are already celebrated as a community because we're able to come together and do this.

I mean, look at this room.

Look at all the diversity in this room.

But we were able to come together, although we don't necessarily have the same beliefs in every every manner.

But human rights at the very basis at the very core should be a very simple ask.

And you are actually in a position to make a change.

I beg you, and I'm not in the in the business of begging and imploring, but my God willed me to do this today.

So I hope that you'll find it within to do and support and serve the community that you ask to serve.

Because you asked to be audited.

You asked to sit out there.

Look at your demographics.

If you didn't want this, go serve in St.

Charles.

Go serve somewhere else.

Susan Padilla.

In addition to what she was saying, I forgot to mention who do I give the list of the 75 signatures that we have that's supporting.

Good evening.

My name is Susana Padilla, representing Rescue Our Children Organization, and boy, we do need that right now, in Hoffman Estates, and serving and as an active member of Coffee, community organizing and family issues here in Elgin.

We the people are lifting our voices, demanding transformation and unifying our purpose.

You have frequently frequently affirmed that Elgin is a welcoming city.

Therefore, I must ask, why not make the declaration public and bold today by voting yes to the updated ordinance?

Each of your votes will ignite a powerful message of solidarity to this community with the full understanding that the federal enforcement already operates among us.

By shifting our focus from fear to walking by faith, we allow the truth to finally prevail.

Or are you leading with conviction?

Are your decisions governed by the fear of losing secular power?

Are they influenced by the pursuit or the perceived lack of financial resources?

Or are they rooted in a genuine sanctified love and respect for humanity?

Let us be reminded of Philippians 419.

And God will meet all of your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

When we prioritize the kingdom of our heavenly Father, we don't need worry.

As stated in Mike 6.

What is good and what does the Lord require of you to act justly and to love mercy and walk humbly with God?

The choice rests with you, but remember, we cannot serve two masters.

Let us choose to serve the people through the lens of his grace.

Thank you.

God bless you and your families.

I know you guys love seeing my face.

I know it.

Again, before I start off my well-written speech, let me direct my to both of you.

At the last protest, I kept going back and forth, and all you talked about was football.

Football.

You know how many people showed up.

Why don't you actually walk down the street?

Because you need it.

Talk to the people that were there.

And I'm talking to URTs.

It's like a slap in the face to us.

You sit up here because I'm with y'all.

You're really not.

And I can get really, really ghetto.

And as you guys have heard, I'm a loud ass Mexican.

But I'll keep it professional for you guys.

Because my voice, when it gets loud, you get in your feelings.

And you kick everyone out.

Good evening.

Alright?

Like I said, I'm gonna keep it professional.

Good evening.

I'm not here to offer any comfortable words.

I'm here to tell the truth.

We love to talk about diversity in this city.

But talking is easy.

Posting statements, holding themed events, and checking the boxes does not make us inclusive.

If we were being honest, too many people in this community are still unheard.

We are overlooked, we're pushed to get to where we have to get up to you guys and speak in very disrespectful manners.

Inclusion is not optional, and is not symbolic.

It is a responsibility, your responsibility.

And right now, some of you are falling short.

One, two in particular.

We are residents who don't feel safe.

Every time I'm up here speaking up, I go home and I receive seven messages, private messages, telling me the worst of the worst.

But I'm still up here.

Every time you're on my story, I can see it.

I love it.

Thank you for showing me that you got nothing better to do than to be on my social media pages.

The communities that don't see themselves reflected in the leadership.

These are barriers for us as your constituents.

It prevents people from accessing opportunities, resources, and basic respect.

That is not an accident.

That is a result of choices, priorities, and in some cases, some of your cases neglect.

Diversity without action is formative.

Inclusion without accountability is meaningless.

So the question is not whether we support diversity.

The question is what are we actually doing about it?

And today can demonstrate a lot.

Or expecting people to struggle through the system not built for them.

Are we opening doors or just pointing at them?

Because we, your constituents, we are paying attention.

And we are tired of waiting.

This council has the power to do more than acknowledge the problem.

You have the you have the power to change outcomes.

That means making decisions that may be uncomfortable.

It means prioritizing equity, and even when it's inconvenient, it means listening.

And even when it's inconvenient, it means listening.

Not to just when it's easy, but when it challenges you.

So I'll leave you with this.

Don't tell this community you value inclusion.

Prove it.

Back it with today's ordinance.

And to all of you when you show up to our protest, engage.

I don't want to hear you talking about football.

Thank you.

Okay, it brings us to bids.

First item is bid number 25-060.

701 Hastings concession stand renovation.

Mr.

Mayor, since I talked about this, I'll move that we approve this bid and award it to clearing construction of Lombard and the amount of 49,250.

Second.

Move and second and for approval.

Any discussion.

Ms.

Powell.

Yes, I just want to say thanks to staff for moving forward with this renovation at Drake Field.

I know I've had several discussions with staff about the enormity of some of these projects that are really beyond what a youth football league or a youth athletic organization are really able to tackle on their own.

So this is a huge project.

There are a number of kids, local kids that are involved in youth football.

And these renovations will definitely be appreciated by the students and uh the families that use Strake Field for football.

So thank you.

Okay.

Anything else?

Court, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorn?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved 90.

Item two is bid number two six-zero one zero Portland cement contract.

Not to exceed 100,000.

Move toward the bid to Ozinga ready, mixed concrete in accordance with Illinois Department of Transportation Regulations for the Motor Fuel Tax Allocations to not exceed 100,000.

So moved.

Move and second for approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved nine zero.

Item three is a uh bid number two six-zero one one by two minutes asphalt groups one and two.

Not to exceed 350,000.

So moved.

I'll second it.

Move and second for approval.

Any discussion.

Lots of vendors.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved 90.

Even more.

Item 4 is bid number 26-012.

Golf course landscaping supplies.

Mr.

Mayor, I recommend that we award the course chemical supply to the lowest responsible bidder, the amount of 163,029.

So moved.

Move the second floor approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved nine zero.

Item five is uh St.

Francis, St.

Francis Park Soccer Field Renew.

Uh Omni of Purchasing Agreement number R230201 for 35,850.

So moved.

Second.

Move to second floor approval.

Any discussion.

Nice.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon.

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved 90.

Seems like we just put that in.

That's correct.

More durable artificial turf that'll take into consideration the continued cleat use at that location.

Yep.

Okay.

Takes us to other business.

The first item is a consideration of petition 02-26 85 Market Street.

Conditional use for an adaptive reuse of an existing two story office building for a church.

Mr.

Mullot.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

The subject property is located at the northeast corner of Market Street and Lyle Avenue, north of Larkin Avenue.

Here is Market.

This is Lyle and this is Larkin.

This is the Jewel Osco, Chase Bank, and this is Walgreens.

The International Church of Four Square Gospel requests approval of their relocation from 601 Hill Avenue in Elgin to 85 Market Street.

The building at 85 Market is currently owned and partially occupied by an attorney's office.

The church would purchase and occupy the entire building.

The church has operated at 601 Hill since 2020.

It seeks to move to its new location to expand their services.

The church would renovate the approximately 6100 square foot building to include a new sanctuary with seating for 88 parishioners, three small classrooms, and a multipurpose room for various church functions and activities, such as Bible study.

Services would be held from Sundays between 9 a.m.

and 11 30 a.m.

with Bible study on Wednesday evenings from 7 p.m.

to 8 30.

General office hours will be Monday through Friday, 8 a.m.

to 5 p.m.

Property includes 23 parking spaces, which complies with the zoning ordinance.

The applicant would construct a new masonry enclosure for the refuse collectionary in the northeast corner of the property.

Exterior changes to the building are limited.

Simply the construction of a new glass vestibule at the main entrance and two new exit doors on the west side of the building.

The applicant is present.

Should you have any questions?

Staff in the planning and zoning commission recommend approval.

Subject conditions outlined within your packet.

Move approval subject to the conditions.

Second second.

It's been moved and uh seconded for approval, subject to conditions.

Any discussion?

Any questions from Mr.

Ms.

Alfaro?

I just have a random question.

Okay.

Uh the law firm that's selling the building.

Are they staying in Elgin?

I don't know that.

Uh the attorney for the applicant is here.

Maybe he might know.

Any any knowledge of that?

I believe they are, but I'm not positive.

Okay.

I have a question.

I would hate to lose a business.

So that's what I was just curious if they were staying here or not.

All right.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Any other questions?

Okay.

Hearing none, clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved 9-0.

Congratulations.

Yeah.

Item two is a resolution authorizing execution of a 2026 agreement with the Kane County Child Advocacy Center by and through the Kane County State's Attorneys, State's Attorney for funding assistance relating to the investigation of sensitive crimes involving children.

Move approval.

Second.

Moved and seconded for approval.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, Clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Abstain.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorn?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

The motion is approved 8-0 with one abstention.

Item three is a resolution authorizing execution of an economic development agreement.

Economic development services agreement with the Elgin area chamber of commerce.

Move approval.

Second.

Move and second for approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Abstain.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

The motion is approved 80 with one abstention.

Item four is a resolution authorizing execution of an amendment agreement number one with Thomas Engineering Group LLC for additional supplemental professional engineering services in connection with the 2025 parking lot and alley maintenance program.

Move for approval.

Second.

Move the second for approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, Clerk, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro.

Abstain.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good?

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Storne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motions approved 80 with one abstention.

Consent agenda.

Move for approval.

Second.

Move the second floor approval.

Any discussion.

Hearing none, clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Storne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motions approved nine zero.

Miscellaneous business.

Move approval.

Second.

Move the second for approval.

Any discussion?

Hearing none, clerk, please call the roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro.

Yes.

Dixon.

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

Motion's approved nine zero.

The announcements.

The next committee of the whole meeting will be Wednesday, April 8th, 2026 at 6 p.m.

in the city council chambers.

The next regular meeting of the Elgin City Council will be Wednesday, April 8th, 2026.

On the City Council Chambers.

Entertain a motion to adjourn back to the committee of the whole.

So move and second to adjourn.

Clerk, please call the roll.

Council members alfaro.

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Thorne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

We are adjourned.

Entertain a motion to reconvene.

Some motion.

Second.

Move and second to reconvene.

Clerk, please call the roll.

Council members alfaro?

Yes.

Dixon?

Yes.

Good.

Yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

Yes.

Stefan?

Yes.

Storne?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Yes.

We are reconvened.

I believe that brings us to item G, Mr.

You are correct, Mayor.

This is the discussion on adopting an ordinance to support and foster inclusivity and diversity in the city of Elgin.

On Monday of this week, I met with the uh sponsors, if you will, of this initiative, Council Members Dixon and Alfaro.

And by agreement, we indicated that I would provide well opening comments and overview of this initiative.

So with your permission, Mayor, I'll continue.

Continue.

Okay.

The proposed ordinance.

This proposed ordinance was first publicly presented to the public during the 20, uh the February 25th committee of the whole meeting.

At the conclusion of that meeting, Council members Dixon and Alfaro used the time between February 25th and last week to gather information from their fellow city council members and members of the public.

They presented that information to the staff late last week.

When that information was presented to me, I informed them that staff needed an additional minimally 60 days to conduct the proper research and policy analysis necessary to complete the work on the proposed ordinance, in addition to the additional amendments and initiatives that were presented by other council members.

Again, I met with council members Dixon and Alfaro on Monday, and we've reached agreement for staff to continue work on the ordinance.

And its new additions over the next 60 days and report back on May 27th with the status of staff's progress.

What do you do with something?

What are you doing?

Mr.

Dixon?

Mr.

Alfaro?

Ms.

Alfaro?

What?

16 days for what?

What?

Why do we give you another 68?

Just for you guys to do the right thing.

Say that you're not going to do it.

Be honest to yourself and us.

Why do we need 16 more days?

Why do you need two more months to decide whether or not you will protect your citizens?

People that voted you in.

People who have voted vote.

So Miss Alfaro.

Yeah.

Thank you.

If I may.

There is, as people have mentioned during public comment, there are council members who are not in favor of this.

One of the things that you want to be advantaged.

There's some it takes five votes to pass something, right?

And so we minimally need five votes.

And council members have indicated that they would like things flushed out.

The municipal ID and the legal defense fund, just figuring out the amount of money that would be taken into place, etc.

And so some individuals have indicated that they want it flushed out in order to properly vote on that.

I will say call them out.

I will say me personally.

The ordinance is not merely an intent, right?

For me, this is I'm committed to this because it is a legal commitment.

An ordinance is a legal commitment.

While policies can be amended, ignored, or quietly set aside, an ordinance carries weight.

It is transparent to the community to let you all know when we change things, how we do things, and what we legally will stand by.

Right?

From the language access, the legal defense fund to the economic development to the civil engagement, missable ID, etc.

That's how we will do things.

That's why I'm committed to making sure it stays in an ordinance because immigrants and underserved communities are among the most vulnerable members of our community.

They contribute to our local economy.

Many of you all share that to shopping, to living here, just making it the best way of life around here, because we wouldn't be elegant if we didn't have them here, right?

It is no secret, this ordinance will not stop ICE.

But this ordinance does do is stand with the community and bring the community more involved with the city.

And this is why we do need the ordinance and keep it as an ordinance, not to a policy.

So to the opposition to the ordinance in favor of a less binding like a policy.

Um that alone reflects exactly why we need an ordinance.

A policy depends on the goodwill of whoever is currently in office or whoever is staff.

An ordinance will bring any changes to the forefront and make it publicly known to the community when these changes occur.

Policy does not do that.

That is why I am against doing this as a policy.

The good intention of the policy is not enough.

That is why I believe we need an ordinance, but we do need it to pass.

We do need five votes.

And so some council members had indicated that they needed more information flushed out, some finding the the numbers of how much the legal defense fund is gonna come, where is it coming from the budget, etc.

And fire department.

It was a suggestion of separating certain things every morning, and now we could work towards it.

So we could have it eat something, and then start working on it.

Can we have that we're leading from the direction of the community?

We have talked to many community members, and you all could give us that feedback right now, too, that the community wanted it to keep it as one package.

If you want it as one package, unfortunately, there is some numbers that need to be flushed out for some council members to feel more comfortable in voting on it.

Right?

And so money keeping it together.

Call them out.

All right, everyone.

I would like to know who is the vote and why.

Thank you.

Okay.

All right, thank you.

Well, let me say a few words here.

Uh, number number one, I want to thank everyone for waiting around tonight to to um to listen to this conversation.

And I appreciate and thank everyone for um making the comments too that you have made this evening.

So we really appreciate it.

It is not uh something that I take lightly.

Um I've been a lot of time at community meetings over the past few months, um, especially discussing this ordinance.

I've talked to a lot of different people, people who are for the ordinance and people who are against the ordinance, and people who are in the middle because they just don't understand the ordinance.

I've talked to everyone about this.

But let me clarify, but let me clarify a time frame.

On March 9th, the city manager informed us that this ordinance probably would not be ready by this evening.

We then replied with, well, if it's not going to be ready for sure, we'll cross that bridge when we get there if it's not ready before the city before tonight's city council meeting, we'll come up with the plan.

So it had nothing to do with getting feedback last week.

It was already predetermined by the city manager that he probably would not be able to have it ready by tonight.

So I just wanted to clarify that nuance.

Okay.

So that was not on councilwoman Alfaro or myself.

Now, at the same tone, same token on the other side.

I do want to give credit to corporate counsel um Chris Beck, who wrote this draft and did an excellent job with it.

Also want to give a shout out to assistant city manager, um Cassandra uh Hiller for working on this because she's doing she's leading it for city staff and putting together everything.

Um and so we I am absolutely committed to making sure that we we get this done.

Let me give you guys a little little quick story, okay?

And some of you probably remember this.

Black Lives Matter happened, right?

We had a social upheaval, okay.

Um there was a number of things that we brought forward as a council that I specifically led as far as ordinance and in combination with various city council members up here.

Um of those ideas was a police review board, or what's known now as the civilian review board.

Myself, Councilwoman Powell, and multiple other members of the city council worked in combination with Chief Lally in the police department and corporate staff to draft an ordinance.

Now there were people who weren't against who were absolutely against it, just like this ordinance.

Fast forward, it took a lot of time and a lot of effort by Chief Lally, EPD, myself, uh Councilwoman Powell.

Long story short, we were able to get it done after it went through the uh police task force.

And so now that's in place.

I know I'm not saying that it's going to take the the same amount of time, it won't in this instance.

No, no.

No, it won't.

I'm talking about the process of making sure that we do this thing right.

I am not in a rush to get something done just to get something done, and it doesn't have any teeth, it doesn't hold any water, it doesn't have any effect.

When I get something done, I want it to be done right.

I want it to be able to bite into some stuff.

I want anybody from a anybody reading it to know that this is the most progressive piece of code of this of this nature in the entire state.

It doesn't even come close.

A legal aid defense fund, um a legal aid defense fund in combination with other things, I'm sorry, such as procurement, these things aren't being done anywhere.

So we're gonna make sure that this thing gets done.

It won't be years.

I promise you that.

Yeah.

I'm going to make sure and I want you to I want you to hold it.

Yeah, I want and I want you guys to hold us accountable, okay.

I am telling you unequivocally that we're going to get make sure that we get this thing done.

So I'm gonna thank you in advance for your patience, okay.

I'm thank you in advance for your patience, and I appreciate your passion, all right.

It is not missed on me, all right.

I got a job to do, and my job right now is to make sure that this thing gets done and that it gets done right, and that it does what it's intended to do, and not some watered down, diluted version of that.

That's what we're going to do.

Yes, yes.

So she asked for if if if the community can receive a status update, that has been discussed too as well.

Okay, so in the meantime, in between time, we're going to provide uh periodic status updates as to where the ordinance is.

We're gonna be here every meeting until everyone.

We we will hearing up we will provide council councilwoman Alfaro and I on the behalf of city staff will provide a an update um every every meeting until we have this here before you until we have the final draft version.

That's okay.

We can do that.

Okay.

If I could just add uh Ms.

O'Farrell, go ahead.

Thank you.

And I also add, as we are giving these status updates, and it when the ordinance does come back flushed out, I do ask that it's in the beginning of the agenda.

The community should not have to wait until the end of the night after the city committee of the hall and city council in order to have that discussion.

It's a tactic to get so we see right now.

Okay.

And we've we've received in the last uh in the last month and last month, councilwoman Alfaro and I have talked with every member of city council in one form or another about this ordinance to solicit feedback.

If you guys remember about a month ago, we asked for every council person to provide us with feedback, all right.

Um written feedback that is to corporate council and to us.

Only three people did.

Okay, only only three council members did.

Um, but even with those who did not provide that feedback, we were still for the most part able to meet one-on-one to discuss those, okay?

But but Captain, captain provided feedback, pal provided feedback, and who was the third or tease all provided feedback, okay.

Written feedback, okay.

Those are the only three that provided written feedback.

But other council members have have provided verbal other council members have provided verbal feedback too as well.

Okay, but those were the ones that did what we asked.

Okay.

Not well, they were one-on-one meetings.

Um at the center and have everyone like you like you did or whatever.

I mean, no, I think you all here are supposed to be a job.

But you can defending the constituents.

You can say what you want.

But every time at this meeting, you guys have stuff that the city doesn't meet at the moment.

This would be a priority.

This is like a lot of people.

And we see this every time.

You leave it to last because we believe.

Yeah, I know you're you are hurt.

We don't want to say here and screen at you.

I don't want to sit here and look at you in the face.

Oh, and tell you what the obvious is.

I don't, but I do that.

Because I'm holding you accountable.

Because I voted for many of you that are up there.

Calm down.

Come on, retirement.

Calm down.

Put on a diaper.

Where are we doing?

Can't have someone talking to you.

Let's give the ordinance in 30 days.

Next meeting.

Next movie.

You told me you can't do your job in 30 days, 15 days, 20 days.

How much more?

If I can speak.

If I can speak, you asked for this to be an inclusive ordinance.

If it started out, it was just going to be a welcoming city ordinance.

I said this to your point way back at the beginning, it'd be much easier to do this if we separate these into pieces.

Because it gets too complicated and it gets bigger and bigger.

It is complicated.

It's not just that.

It's not just that.

It's expanded.

It's gotten bigger.

The uh the the request, the request for the defense.

If you let me speak, the defense fund has gotten to the has gotten to a request to add other people to that.

Outside of just um uh undocumented people.

So the defense fund has grown to about nine or ten other potential uh participants.

That changes the cost and that makes it more complicated.

And the staff has to go through that and make those adjustments for us.

We have to find out how this is gonna work.

We we have never had one.

We don't have one.

So how this is gonna be paid for, how it's not how this is gonna be paid for and how this nobody here knows how this has to be done put together.

So and it's gonna include, as I said, other people are gonna be part of this defense fund, and that's gonna have to be determined how that's gonna be uh bothering me.

Okay.

We'll give the other council members a chance to speak.

Um actually, yeah, I wasn't finished.

I just wanted to give one one last part real quick.

Okay, Mr.

Dixon.

Um we we discussed this previously.

Any council member that wants to provide feedback that they provided uh in written form via email, this would be the opportunity to do so.

I just wanted to throw that out there.

So anybody else has to comment, and that's how this the cut's how the conversation keeps going.

Ms.

Powell or Mr.

Mr.

Ortiz, Miss Powell.

I I hear you, I feel you.

Um I'm with you, I support this.

I'm one of the ones who did provide written feedback.

Um a lot of the written feedback that I provided, I said or talked about um during the first meeting, and I'm not gonna read it verbatim, but I just do want to highlight a couple of things that um I did provide the written feedback on.

Because I think when we're if we're talking about inclusivity and diversity, um it is not just about talking about how wonderful the diversity is in our community and eating tacos and guacamole while we slap people in the face and don't respect them.

Um I've I've said that to folks.

Because I feel like that's what happens.

And it's it's unfortunate.

It's I could say another word, but I I won't.

Um it's disgraceful, thank you.

Um we can do better.

And and this and this is a start.

So one of the things that um I brought forward, I know someone, I think the mayor mentioned the legal defense fund.

I was the one who said I would like to see it broadened to include civil matters such as eviction defense, um, housing discrimination and predatory lending that disproportionately impacts immigrant and black and brown communities.

Um I wanted uh demographic reporting to track usage by race and immigration status, and ideally I'd like to see us look at how we can put this fund together so that others can people can actually donate to it.

If it's just a city fund, I think it makes it hard for us to, I don't think we can accept donations, but I know that there are members in this community that feel strongly about supporting something like this and would like to be able to donate financially to it.

So I would like to see whatever it is that's put together be structured in a way that allows outside donations, and this is the kind of work that staff it does need the time to flesh out in terms of how that needs to be structured in order to allow that to happen.

Um I look, I I don't know, but I I'm just giving you information about like what my feedback was.

Some of the other uh things that I provided feedback on in terms of broadening the purpose call uh clause at the beginning of the ordinance to explicitly recognize racial disparities in policing and economic access, uh commitment to equitable treatment across race, national origin, and immigration status, um include that the city recognizes the historical and systemic inequities that have impacted communities of color and affirms its commitment to advancing racial equity across all city operations.

Um there's in the economic development chapter it specifically references SEDI, which is the socially and economically disadvantaged individuals, um, but it does not address local disparity studies or contracting equities or measure any progress.

So I'm interested in how we measure progress in some of these things because I think one of the a couple of the speakers today referenced um slave catchers during the 1700s.

Honey, the the Civil Rights Act wasn't passed until 1964.

There are people living today that did not have the right to vote, that had to drink out of separate drinking fountains because we so we don't have to go all the way back to 1700s to talk about inequities.

We're still dealing with with those situations today.

Um so these are some things that hopefully we can do at the local level.

Um, and again, it's not gonna stop ICE, but I I feel very strongly about showing our our community that we support them and that it's inclusive because as many of you have acknowledged and and acknowledge truthfully and correctly that our undocumented population contributes economically to our economy, not just here locally, but regionally and throughout this nation.

They contribute um culturally, um they are our friends, our neighbors, our kids go to school with them.

Absolutely.

So I I think it's important to actually be more inclusive, not just in words, but in action.

Um, and and I think economic inclusion is something that has not occurred on so many different levels, but I think would be very meaningful and is very important.

Um I already uh talked about the legal aid defense fund.

Um I had some questions about the municipal ID program that I would like to see the area expanded to include other historically marginalized marginalized populations, including those for formerly incarcerated incarcerated individuals without state ID.

Um, and I think we can specifically partner with re-entry organizations to promote this.

Um residents who lost documentation, unhoused individuals and victims of domestic violence.

Now, this is a big one in terms of administration and potentially cost, so it will be important to identify how we're going to do it and and from an administrative standpoint and cost.

Um language access, I said I would like to add language that ensures that we implement language access plans.

Um the city ensures that equity strategies also address racial disparities and physical access.

Um ADA related um language for uh disabled residents and services, not limited solely to English proficiency.

So again, being inclusive.

I um I hear from disabled residents in our community that don't necessarily feel included as well.

Um I think there were just some miscellaneous things in here that I I would like to add a racial equity impact review clause that requires major policy changes to be evaluated for racial impact disparities on a regular basis.

Um city contracting and grants, legal fund usage, um city workforce representation, policing stats, a lot of that is on their transparency site and program access metrics.

So that's just in a nutshell what I provided in terms of feedback.

I take this very seriously, I put a lot of thought into it.

Um so I I look forward to seeing the final product and and hearing what the rest of um my colleagues have to say.

Thank you.

Okay, anybody else?

Mr.

Good.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um so I can sense the room.

Um I haven't seen anything yet.

Um understood.

Um so I I just want to just I I think everybody in this room is honestly gonna move us forward working together.

That's my belief.

Um I get it, I get it.

This is this I'm not asking for you guys to stop yelling at us.

Um but I do want to flash back to say that for me personally, what I've been advocating for this entire time is to do that process where we take items that are already happening, look at how we can improve them, um, look at items that would need to be an ordinance and break this into pieces so we can move faster.

Um we we have evidence that this council up here has voted 9-0 on multiple items that reaffirm our values, and like I've said before, what I'm at least arguing over is not the values of what we're driving at, it's how we're gonna get there.

Um and so I just want to put that out there.

Like I can sense that we're starting to feel fractures, right?

You didn't come to the part you have trouble.

But we I'm so I just I do want to push back a little bit.

I want to push back a little bit because the votes have passed, and uh we understood stood when we took those votes that some of those were going to be resolutions.

There were gonna be say we support the removal of masks, we don't have teeth for that.

That we were going to stop federal agents from using our properties for staging.

There is even parameters on that that were very like not in our favor, is what I would describe it as.

Um and now we have this item that came up.

And in this in December, I believe it's December 3rd, we had a vote that went down 9-0, and there was confusion.

We've talked about that multiple times, and I apologize that you all had to be subjected to it, and now you're here feeling like we're hurrying up to wait, like we just keep rushing to wait.

Um, and so that's what I just want to put out there tonight.

Again, for the groups that we have met in smaller group settings, I appreciate your time.

I appreciate you sharing where we agree and where we don't agree.

Um, but I just want to continue to be transparent that that's the the debate that I'm having um, not only with myself, but with the people I talk to.

Um, I could feedback if you would go up over what you have.

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

If you are why don't you provide your feedback?

I I understand that that I understand it.

So and just like every other item that we're talking about tonight.

And important, and we're not in the same medical.

I know.

Okay.

Why are you not getting a little bit more?

Listen, all right.

So tech technically, like please, I have the floor right now, so I'm just saying.

I'm going to.

I'm going to.

So okay, so so if if we want to talk about the broader issue here, is what everybody is seeking a binary.

You're either for the ordinance or you're against it.

You either communicate it or you didn't.

And you're basing this off of right now what we just heard tonight shared in this room.

I've been involved in public.

Okay, well, so it's a based on what you see and hear in your experiences does not preclude other people from having their experiences.

Do you so okay?

I just also want to pose this.

Do you think that this is a favorable position to be in?

For those of you who know me, know that I have a track record of working on these different issues.

So we don't have to.

I I understand.

I'm not saying to stop yelling.

But okay.

So for all those for all those who are not here in the room right now, for the rest of you who are watching this meeting, for the other residents that are in this community, this is not what the entirety of the conversation is.

I'm just gonna say that.

What we're hearing right now is that it's a binary option that's trying to be forced upon us.

That's not how real decisions get made.

That's not how compromise works.

And that's it's you're stealing people's voices right now by saying what you're saying.

If you come in this chamber and you say that because people who are scared to be here didn't show up to share their opinion that is different than yours, that's taking their voice away.

This is my opinion, this is my lived experience.

So I have family members that are going through uh a situation that's closer to this and it's fine.

No, it's okay, it's fine.

I'm not disagreeing with that.

You're not a victim.

I'm not saying you guys can do this if you want.

This is not helpful.

You said you said that you were afraid that if we pass this ordinance that I would come that it would they would come more, that it would get worse.

That's what you told me.

That is something that I definitely share with you.

Yes, that you share it.

And now you're all talking about like finance and all this.

I didn't bring up finance.

First of all, I didn't talk about finance.

But I'm telling you what you told me that you were scared.

That's why I asked you.

Why are you?

Well, so I'm conveying what people are telling me.

Yeah, you're scared.

I'm an elected official.

This is what I do.

Where's the lawsuit?

No, very tall Latino, or you're being it doesn't give you the right to speak for these for these people.

I'm I'm sharing what people convey with me.

I can show you that.

Yeah, I mean I'm telling you the hundreds of Latino uh the immigrants that reach out to me every single time.

I know, okay.

And so for the people watching this at home.

That's why I'm here, because there's a fine.

Can we gather this down, please?

It's uh Mr.

Good has the floor.

Please sit down.

I have a jury.

Well, clearly have to be a little bit of a couple of things.

Um, I just want for the sake of the room and for the sake of people watching again.

What was being communicated right now is this question of like who are you speaking to?

And after the meeting last time, I went up to folks that are speaking right now and said, these are the people I'm speaking to.

If you want to meet with me to meet with those people to convey your side of it, the door is open.

But some people should be here.

They well, you can't tell them where they should be and what they should say and what they should feel safe doing.

I know so it's okay.

That's strongly about it.

They should be here.

The audacity to say that we're taking their voice.

You know who doesn't have a voice?

These immigrants.

That's why we're speaking to the money.

That I'm talking about people who are who are in that situation.

So I'm telling you.

What I was trying to bring this around to the first time is again we're not the only one.

I understand that.

And I will tell you that they are for this.

I understand that.

I will bring you, I will bring you a petition.

I will gather.

I will go door to door to every single resident, all our people go, and we'll get those things in here.

So you can see that they are for this.

I feel you.

Okay.

So what I'm trying, what I originally brought this up for was to say that we have evidence that this group is aiming at the right or aiming at the same values.

What I don't want us to get mired in is adding more and adding more and adding more, and we keep doing this thing, we're we're speeding up to just wait again.

So what we're trying to do here is not look at this as just a binary of do you support this thing or you do not.

I want to believe that everybody up here is in the same position that they were in December when they voted 9-0 to pursue these values and deploy the city how we can to get there as efficiently, effectively and responsibly as possible.

For an example, if we rushed and followed the models of other cities for a program like municipal ID, what look what happened in Chicago?

They straight up use city resources to create a database that collected information from the most vulnerable people, and then the federal government subpoenaed it.

So those are things that happen when you work in this business, and you have to be able to analyze those with a clear mind.

Open table, and I understand right now, these are the loudest voices at the table.

We're not saying no to what you want, we're saying, at least me personally, a different pathway of navigating this.

That's all.

So I I know we're gonna still be yelled at, and I open the door if you want to meet after this meeting, phone calls, in-depth conversations to go over the the written materials I did not share.

Uh Mr.

Dixon brought up the email that was sent in February.

Um, but I want to assure you that I don't believe there's anybody anybody up here who does not take this seriously.

I can't say for sure, but I want you to look back at the evidence and see that Algin is though you do not feel that way right now, Elgin is a rock solid city.

We always have referred movement.

We're in the city with the largest Hispanic population that doesn't have one of these ordinances.

We're behind all of the the top 10 cities are.

Okay, well, I I and I I and I appreciate the the the work that has been put in.

And so I'm just laying it out there for you so there's no confusion.

Because you all wanted to say, who is it and where do they stand?

I'm trying to do that right now.

I'm trying to be as transparent as possible.

And if you feel like there's uh a value to be had by having a conversation, please reach out.

If we're gonna agree to disagree, understood.

Um, but I just want you to know that we we have had evidence of 9-0 votes that I hope put on the record and show you that we're values aligned, or at least adjacent.

Okay.

Okay.

Are we talking 60 days?

Well, it's yeah, so to the the conversation we have, we met as a small group.

There are items that are priority and shorted to 30 days.

There are items on here that are like that can happen sooner, just like the language access.

That's that's an item that doesn't need to be codified, that can just happen.

And so those are the items where I'm saying, like, let's parse through this, let's be a little bit more intentional, and let's move on these items that can move.

There's gonna be some of them like a legal defense fund, that is not a policy.

That will have to be an ordinance.

A municipal ID fund or municipal ID program, same thing.

So there's some of these where the capsule is what it's going to be, but it does not need to be piled in to this one thing where what we're seeing is there's more questions that are starting to come up now, regardless of where they're coming from, and it has the the risk to to prolong this, which it seems like this is being stretched out.

You know, this is not this is not being productive here.

We have other council members, we want to move forward with this, but having the dialogue go back and forth just not is not move up the the needle here for us.

But it's still this is work that the council has to do.

Is anybody down this way?

Mr.

Ortiz.

Mr.

Ortiz.

If I heard correctly city manager, or maybe it was a Dixon that said it.

It's a hard deadline in June uh last meeting of May, or that's like a status update the last meeting of May of where we're at in the process.

We discussed the status.

I can't promise 20 pages plus additional modifications will be done at that time, but we can definitely provide a status.

Okay.

And is it analyzing everything we already do and incorporating with some of the stuff that's listed within the ordinance and like a full like policy ordinance review, like how Mr.

Good said that some things we already do?

Can we just check those off real quick?

And then the ones that have to be an ordinance, like an ID or a legal defense fund or uh the procurement process.

It's it's my understanding.

The direction that I received was to analyze the 20 or so page ordinance that's attached to this item to that's attached to this initiative, incorporate the information that came from council members Dixon and Alfaro and the city council members, analyze all of that and bring it back as one single ordinance.

Okay.

Not just uh Yeah, but come back with recommendations of things we're already doing, like how Mr.

Good said that uh the language access that we have on the TV screens now, but they're doing that, so that's an easy thing to knock off of this and say we're already getting these things done because some of the community members want things done faster and break it apart to get the ball moving instead of waiting another 60 days for stuff.

You could keep doing it, right?

We we could be getting language access.

We are trying to get those translations.

Nothing needs to stop because we don't have the ordinance approved yet.

The reason not to do a policy yet again is that policy is not transparent to the community, it doesn't stand in solidarity of the community.

If the council changes, if staff changes, policy could change behind the doors, and nobody knows until people are like, wait, what's going on?

I can't get why is there no Spanish translations?

Why are there no um why are there no headsets over here?

What's going on with a procurement over here?

That is behind doors.

To be transparent to the community, ordinance needs to be changed here in front of everyone, so everyone knows what to change and when it's changed.

That's what policy is.

And we could continue making those changes now.

We don't need to stop.

So the language access, so all the departments who are doing things, they don't need to stop.

That could continue going.

Yeah, and and just to just my whole question overall is how is the analytics gonna work, not which way it's gonna be drafted at the end.

What are we analyzing?

That was the the gist of the whole question.

What does staff need to analyze?

Yeah, and and and like you know, secondly, I I just think that all of that is just very disingenuous of you because uh all of your feedback was basically you didn't want any of it.

So now you you want so so for you to be like, well, we should we should break it up and do like literally I'm looking at your feedback, and your feedback says you didn't want any of it.

So why would I why why would I more people, Mr.

Dixon?

Why would I why would I take what you just said as truthful when you have already advised that you don't want pretty much any of it?

Why would I take that suggestion?

Because you said you want to negotiate.

We haven't voted yet.

Votes can always change.

Well, I mean, and if you answer the questions that I asked about how Miss Paulo said about staffing money, how it's gonna get implemented, uh procedures.

Yeah, but you didn't ask any questions.

You made all comments.

You didn't ask any questions.

You made all comments.

If you asked questions, I would have answered them.

We met together and sat down.

I answered questions that you that you asked me on the spot.

So there's no question that you've asked me that I haven't answered.

And there was no question that you provided me that I didn't provide you an answer to.

So we're gonna, you know, listen, you know, as as we just go forward here, listen.

I got the floor, so yeah.

Mr.

Ortiz does it.

So go ahead, go ahead.

Go ahead.

So um yeah, I like to see this thing analyzed in every angle, not just one.

So uh yeah, I like to see this thing analyzing every angle and every every option we have instead of just one direct option.

And uh so I think uh I like to make a motion that the city staff analyze this from the policy side and the ordinance side.

It's already in include, and we just had the policy side is not being analyzed, so this is my motion.

Policy side and ordinance side, include all the council comments that's been uh emailed, Mr.

Dix said it was three people so far, and then any other council member that wants to add it, add things in and uh come back with a status update at the first meeting of June that gives them the four sixty days to hopefully get everything done.

How do you gonna do that when the council members were contradicting each other?

You were asking for only policy, and others were keeping it as ordinance.

Well, this is my motion, so either you can vote it up or vote it down.

Well, that I'm asking you for clarification on your motion then.

How is that gonna be interpreted?

Because city staff's gonna come back with recommendations.

You said include everyone's stuff, include all their comments into the ordinance of how it's gonna get everything flushed out, and all those comments, some of them contradict each other.

So I'm asking you how to do that.

Well, that's why it's city staff's got to figure out how how to go how best works with city voicing.

So you're letting staff make that decision, not the council members who got elected by the people.

It's coming back to the council.

It's coming back to the council for recommendations.

They're not doing what they want because they what they want to do at the end of the day, it comes back to the council.

That's I'm asking for clarification.

If there's my motion that we do a foreign analysis for ordinance and policy, including all council comments, and give inform and give information on our current policies, and staff to come back the first meeting of June with a status update, or if they're done with the uh recommendations, the policies and the ordinances that we should enact.

There should be the first meeting in May.

Yeah.

Four weeks.

Four weeks.

This should have been done it's been moved, it's second.

It's been moved and seconded.

Um restate this.

You want uh a full review by city staff of uh this as an ordinance and as policies that are currently in effect?

Um how they interplay with this, is that correct?

Yes, and then which one Mr.

Mayor, uh I'm trying to get this sorted out.

I'm just gonna state what I heard as a motion.

Okay.

Um it's a motion to direct staff to form analysis from uh both the proposed ordinance and in terms of the policy side of the issues, including all comments that have been received from city council members.

Any other comments that come in from the city council and also analyze current policies and that uh city staff uh come back with recommendations as to uh what actions should be taken by the council at the first meeting in June?

Question of clarification if council members are contradicting each other status, yes.

How do you um interpret that?

How would that be included if council members are contradicting each other?

What's the deadline for that to submit this?

How would that be handled?

When there's clearly contradictory matters, staff can analyze both components and say that there is disagreement on item X.

There are proponents who want this, and there are proponents who want that, and then it's up to the council to make a decision as to which route, if any, to go.

So, how would that be handled?

Well, you email everyone and let them know.

Is it coming in front of everybody?

Um is it like the scenes and do we have a five or something?

Like what does that look like?

That would come back with the recommendations at the end of this process relating to the 20-page ordinance and all of those other comments.

It would be in the accompanying memo, pointing out those different components.

What if the deadline can be a comment?

If only we're trying to sort this out.

Please and some people didn't even take the we're trying to sort this out here on the on the techniques.

We're not working on the deadline right now.

Come on.

We're trying to sort this out as to how the policy, how this is process is going to work before we get to the date.

Transparency.

Mr.

Dixon.

There's only giving comments.

You don't need to click the data.

Come on, Dixon.

This is um I don't like the motion.

I'm not going to vote in favor of the motion.

No.

We have been extra communicative.

And what's happening?

We've provided updates to city council and to staff.

This is nothing to me but a you trying to thwart what's already moving.

We have the process.

If you wanted a different ordinance, or if you wanted a different prop process, you could have brought it forward.

But but to step in and act like you're going to now lead this and bring this home with the idea of which is everything that's already happening.

You don't know this because you're not the ones have having a conversation with city staff.

I just in my opening statement just talked about Cassandra Hiller and how she's already been doing the research and the analysis.

What you're talking about is already happening.

It's already no, no, no.

Because what we don't want.

Yeah, that's what that's that's all that's and and you and you already knew that some of this was happening already in place because again w we've been communicating.

So I think it's just a uh it's a dis it's a disingenuous, it's a very, very disingenuous motion.

I do not trust it.

And we see right through So that's my that's that's my two cents on on the that's my two cents on the motion.

So um I think that as we go forward here and we're having this conversation, if we are going to do anything, I think what I'm hearing from the from from the crowd, they want definitive dates about when they should be provided anything, right?

Okay, so you know we've already committed to being councilwoman of faro and I have committed to saying we're gonna provide those updates to the community.

Okay.

So we'll we'll provide those updates continually to the community, you know, up until the final draft of the ordinance actually gets before us.

Okay.

Um this is not something we're just gonna let go and pass over to city staff and expect for them to do all the work and to bring it home and to bring it forward.

We're not gonna do that.

So I just wanted to give those give give that clear that clarification.

So wait, drawing the motion.

Martinez wants to speak.

Okay.

Okay, uh Mr.

Beck, would you reread the motion, please?

So the motion was to direct staff to uh perform an analysis of both the ordinance that was proposed, the 20 the 20-page ordinance that was proposed in terms of an ordinance and also uh analyze it from the perspective of adopting policies and doing so look at what current policies the city perform, include all comments that have uh herefore been received from the city council as well as any other comments uh that are received from city council and performing that analysis and city staff should come back with uh recommendations and the status at the first meeting in June.

That is the motion.

I can't agree.

I can't commit to definitive recommendations on all components by that time.

I can provide a status update and there may be able to be a resolution on components.

That's right.

I know that and that's all I'm saying.

I don't have that ability to have definitive recommendations on all components.

To come back with a status on June with the analysis, the status of the analysis.

Question of clarification.

Is each item then gonna be also presented as a policy?

Is that the idea then?

No.

The ones that could be policies would be policies, the ones that have to be ordinances will be ordinances.

Well, let's decide that right now so the community knows which ones do you want policy?

We don't know, they need to do the analysis.

It seems like people do know you're saying that all of them need to be policies, right?

So which ones do you need to be oriented and which ones need to be policies?

That's not how it works.

So you have any data, the information, and the feedback from city staff to make that.

So they want them to create it as policies.

I need clarification that's each item then being policy and an ordinance.

But what would Gary Indiana with the bearers?

Mr.

Good.

Um sorry, I know this is uh this is a pretty loose conversation here.

Yeah, I'm just gonna be able to do that.

But just for an example, um, like we had already pointed out, there was a language access deployment that happened, just happened, right?

Because that's staff can do that.

Another example is there's an item in this uh ordinance about civic engagement.

That's again something that we don't need to wait 180 days.

Like there's different degrees of civic engagement that happened um and so that's just an example of um what was I think being asked right here is like go through and decide upon which one is policy entertainment, which one is ordinance entertained.

That's the process that SAP's going to do, and I believe that's probably the substance of the updates that would be in incoming from us.

Um so I'm just giving you an example of a situation where there's items packed in here that don't necessarily even need to be an ordinance.

No, that's what we're doing.

So what I would what I would propose is like if it in any case, right, to the the call-outs of council members over here about people responding, right?

I I I take this obviously as like a okay, let's get this in paper.

I I missed that one sentence at the end of three paragraphs and email from February.

Um, but to provide it in writing, completely understandable from my perspective, at least in a week.

I don't know if everybody on the council would agree with that.

Um but that's that's a milestone, right?

Like just get that feedback in so staff can start compiling it.

Okay, yeah.

Um but to point out that there's items in here that could be rolled through that don't need to necessarily be an ordinance.

So I just want to provide that example.

If you're already doing it and it's already policy or easily policy, what animal in the new ordinance.

I mean, we believe it's yeah, and that's and that's that's that's uh uh understandable.

We we had this conversation and this back and forth uh when we met in the smaller group setting.

Um that that could be true for some of these, and there's some of them that if you rush and put them into place without having a full analysis, it's not uh a consistent way that you would want your council to work.

I understand right now this is urgent, this is urgent, and we and I feel frustrated that this has been going on for as long as it has been.

Um but in general, there's procedures that staff is trying to follow because this that's their obligation as professionals.

We're our obligation is to hear the community, put pressure where we can, and and see the best compromise we can come to.

So I just again I'll I'll stop with my comments.

Well, and what I've said to I think when I met with your group in the small setting, uh, you know, kudos you guys met on a Friday night.

Um was that there's areas where we can see things happen sooner, and there's areas where you know we're gonna have to be a little bit more deliberate with community input.

Um so the way that you might phrase is put pressure on staff.

That's kind of what we I can't speak for everybody, but that's what we do.

Um and it's try to find what we can do, and there's other areas that aren't as urgent as this, but that's 100% the approach that we take.

As we we get the heat, this is not fun or enjoyable, and it's coming for a reason, right?

And so we say what can we do?

We we've all had to become versed in federal layers of government, how it's being broken.

Um again, you had more insight to this than this room did because of our conversation.

But yes, that's how this mechanism works.

Um take the logic.

Which ones need 60 days?

So in continu to that, like if you guys were to do things policies, would this still be put into the ordin?

Because the thing is, I do agree with the councilwoman that all this should be in the ordinance because it does it stays in like a bill where they can't change it without telling the rest of everybody.

Exactly.

Like, what can you do right now as a policy?

And then eventually still take it out.

Well, and to answer that, and I just want to be clear about like how this does play out and how you all would operate if there's a case where policy is enacted, language access, and it disappears.

Y'all are gonna show back up to this meeting and treat it like it's well, I know.

But I'm saying the ordinance side of it, it takes two meetings, and and that still is not a as rock solid as some of us would like it to be.

So I just want to be clear.

It's I don't want to be doing like civic engagement education right now, but that's basically the order of strength.

It's like a policy, and that was the plea I was making with the community was can we leverage the pieces of trust that you might not have with me, but with the community that we can move fast on policy, the items that are needed that need to be an ordinance by law, let's attack that in a prioritization.

So they ever make 60 days, two meetings, that's another 60 days on how it was 60 minutes.

Well, I think that the the request was to have the full analysis of everything that was provided in a 20-page ordinance.

So there's there's a 20 pages of the ordinance made up of a collection of items.

Well, no, but they're you know research and everything.

That's outside of my pay grade.

I I don't do legal.

But so I'm not going to try to entertain an answer with that.

I'm not that smart enough to know that.

It's a comp it's a complicated piece of work.

Ms.

Martinez, it is complicated.

It's making it very complicated.

If we started out and this had been talk about just doing a uh welcoming ordinance, we could and I said we had I said at the very beginning, you're gonna make it more complicated by adding these parts on it, and that's where we're at.

So we will do those parts.

You all did that.

Ma'am, I have the floor.

I have the floor.

You go for it.

I agree with Mr.

Dixon.

This has to be done, so it's done right, and we're doing every part, and it's gonna have to be worked through a piece at a time.

And that's what that's what that's why it's gonna take 60 days.

If you want it to come back, we don't want to do that in two weeks.

Okay, Ms.

Martinez.

Ms.

Martinez, yes, had your hands.

There, thank you so much.

I just wanted to go ahead and explain the timeline how I found this out.

Okay, don't come here.

I just wanted to explain the timeline how I found this out and what happened.

So on December 3rd, when we all were here, and it was brought up that we were going to have a discussion about the ordinance.

Um I was asking, well, I'm not gonna vote for something that I don't understand or know about.

And so they said, well, that's why we're discussing it.

Fair enough.

But I will say, just in my timeline, that I met with Kofi.

Goffee back in November 13th, and um Miss Badia and the person next to you, and we had a very productive meeting because we were all respectful.

We were just short on time because there's so much to go ahead and um talk about.

And I found out more information from Golfi than I have from the people that I've been asking to talk to me or answer my questions.

And I remember what you mentioned to me was the um municipal municipal ID.

I had I told you guys I had never even heard of that.

And so you guys gave me examples.

I looked them up, and so in that, and when you were respectful and and listening to me, I explained to you the process.

Okay, we're just part-time here, you know, it's not like we're making bunches of money.

The ones who are our staff, normally what happens is that these things are brought up to staff, and they vetted out for us, and you know, we can put input, take out, and so then so it was the December third meeting.

I honestly thought that in that meeting we're gonna come back in January, and that didn't happen.

So we came back in February, February 25th, and so I'm still asking questions that nobody has has answered, and and none of the two council people who proposed this have ever spoken to me about it.

But what happened was uh thank you very much, Councilman Dixon, because we had a meeting, but it was after that, right?

It was um in March.

We had the meeting on March 5th, and so what would happen when we were discussing it?

Um you were going ahead and explaining, but I still had questions on uh the municipal ID, like how is it gonna help?

It was uh the fund.

I was asking about the the legal fund.

I mean, I still have questions on this, and so we also ran out of time because uh unfortunately we don't speak like we should.

You know, it's been years since the last time I spoke to you, and so um you know I'm glad that we did, and I'm glad that we did because when you went ahead and spoke to me about this, it was very minimal.

It was just like we went ahead and and we discussed some things, and that helped me a lot, you know, to go ahead and understand that.

And so this process here, I just I have a question for the city manager.

How does policy really work?

Because it seems like people um are not really uh looking for this.

I just want some clarification so that everybody can go ahead and listen to this.

Can it really just policy just be changed like that?

Is that something has that been done in the past or how does that work?

Do you not know this with some reason of what are you?

We're trying to get a question.

We're trying to get a question answered here, and you don't have the answer.

So please, Mr.

Manager.

I asked uh a question to the city manager.

How did we make it that far?

We have a question for the city manager.

Policy established by the city council and that the staff deviates from that policy direction.

It's incumbent upon the city council to redress the inaction by staff.

So are you saying that we just can't change it on the whim?

It has to come to us, right?

If you see that staff is deviating from established policy set by the city council, it's incumbent upon the council members to direct the city manager to take proper action consistent with the council direction and in that policy.

Okay.

That's what I thought, because it's not something that can just be changed like that.

There has to be consequences if it is changed without us knowing.

Thank you.

I have a question of clarification.

Miss Alfaro.

I just want to uh question of clarification city manager.

I've been here since May.

I've never seen a policy.

And so when are where how are those policies defined?

When are they done?

Where the book of policies, where is that shared?

They're publicly available.

For instance, the the termination of officer lens was all policy-based.

Those policies procedures are available on the police department transparency page.

There is no law associated with those, and it follows the process with that.

There are similarly different administrative rules within the organization or directions, whether written or not, that establish different areas.

But anything that's in writing, you can find access to that.

Yeah, but people have to go search for it versus having those discussions and bringing policy every time for the change, though, right?

Is that correct?

Well, you have to change an ordinance in the same way or there really isn't it's it's more of an enforcement distinction.

When you want to terminate an employee, you don't make an ordinance violation to have that person terminated.

There's actions at place within the ambit of the of the organization to do it.

And so that's really what the distinction is.

They can both be equally as effective.

In fact, when it comes to terminating power, um, when it comes to terminating employees, there is no ordinance that directly well there are it's easier to determinate an employee using a policy rather than an ordinance, and that's what the distinctions are.

They just lend themselves for the most efficient operation of an organization.

And thank you for saying that an audience is more enforceable.

Okay, and Miss Martinez still on the floor, have another question.

Thank you.

So my issue with this, there's some things in the ordinance that I think that could be policy more so than an ordinance, and I think like Mr.

Good was saying, this will go ahead and speed up the issue once we go through something like this.

You know, uh so I think that that's important.

I think that the cost is is important too.

We've been uh discussing that, and what happens is when we went ahead and we just passed a budget, we weren't all in agreement.

So cost is very very important on what on what this is gonna cost everybody.

Thank you.

Okay, anybody else?

Mr.

Thorne, Mr.

D Mr.

Stephan.

No.

Okay.

We have a motion, just have a motion and a second on the floor.

There's nothing else, uh clerk, please call the vote.

Withdraw your motion.

Council members alfaro.

Capital, no.

Dixon Dixon, no good, yes.

Martinez?

Yes.

Ortiz?

Yes.

Powell?

No.

Stefan?

No.

Thorne?

Yes.

I'm sorry?

Yes.

Mayor Captain.

Uh yes, motion passes 5-4.

Oh!

We cannot get a well.

Shame on you.

Or T and Artiness.

So, Mr.

Manager, you have uh your work cut out for you.

Have 60 days to uh uh work on this process and uh Mr.

Mr.

Dick.

Mr.

Dixon and Miss Alfaro will keep an update on the pro on the process.

I don't know how you plan to trust you.

We'll we'll work on that.

Yeah, we'll provide an update um on the behalf of city staff directly uh city manager.

You'll confer with the manager and get an update from him, bring it back to the council.

Okay, yeah.

Okay, uh calls from uh community announces from the council.

Anybody have announced Mr.

Thorne?

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh if you recall uh some months back, we had a proclamation for Rhonda Brandis for her marathon running representing Elgin seven continents, and sadly she passed away last week.

Oh so I did want to say uh our sympathy goes out to the Brandis family, but also just in from Senator Castro, who I respect strongly, she will read a proclamation for Rhonda from the Senate floor about noon tomorrow.

It can be heard online at ILGA dot gov.

May Rhonda rest in peace.

Thank you.

Okay, any other announcements from the council.

Ms.

Powell.

Yes, um, I have a couple of announcements.

Um there was a bridging racial divides forum sponsored by the African American Coalition of Kane County, Central de Informacion, and Box Valley Um citizens for uh peace and justice uh this past weekend.

I want to thank them for starting this conversation and I look forward to continued conversations.

Um I think they're very important.

Um I want to say congratulations to the winners in the recent primary election and thank those who ran and wanted to truly serve um our communities as well as thank the election staff and volunteers who participated in the election process.

Um I want to say a quick uh uh say condolences to Bethesda Church of God in Christ on the passing of retired pastor James Marks, who was laid to rest this past weekend.

Um he was a well-respected leader, a man of God and best friend to my late pastor, uh Progressive Baptist Church, uh Pastor Willie Tate.

Um so I uh my condolences go out to Pastor Marks' family um and the Bethesda Church of God and Christ family um on the loss of um their retired pastor.

Um and last but not least, I wanted to announce that there are a couple No Kings rallies coming up this weekend on Saturday, March 28th.

One is um at Grove and Kimball from 11 a.m.

to 3 p.m.

And the other one is in Foundery Park at the intersection of Route 31 and Kimball uh from 10 a.m.

until uh 12 noon.

Thank you.

Anything else from the council?

Uh I'd like to echo uh uh council member Powell's uh remarks about uh Pastor James Marks, he's a true champion for the community, helped his neighborhood.

He and I worked on a number of projects there.

I worked there with neighbor works and uh redid some houses out there.

We put a park in.

Um just a great guy, and uh always thought about the city of Elgin and he was working on the community, and so his influence extended uh beyond his congregation and the church to that community and the whole east side.

So very uh uh uh uh lost him.

Pastor Tate as well, a great friend of mine.

So it's from the council.

None mayor, thank you.

Entertain a motion to adjourn to executive session.

So moved second, move and second to adjourn.

Court, please call a roll.

Councilmember Zalfaro?

Yes, Dixon?

Yes, good, yes, Martinez, yes, Ortiz?

Yes, Powell, yes, Stefan?

Yes, Thorne?

Yes, Mayor Captain.

Yes, we are adjourned.