1:34All right, good evening, everyone.
1:35I'm going to call the October 6th meeting of the Elgin Planning and Zoning Commission to order.
1:42Will staff please call the roll?
1:46Commissioner Boskett?
1:53And Commissioner Chairman Wildermouth.
1:58Now we will move on to the approval of minutes from the September 8th, 2025 minutes.
2:05If I can have a motion to approve those minutes.
2:13Staff please call the roll.
2:20And Chairman of Wildermore?
2:22The minutes are approved, four to zero.
2:26We will move on to the chairman's opening statement.
2:28So good evening, everyone, and welcome to the October 6th, 2025 meeting of the Elgin Planning and Zoning Commission.
2:35Tonight we're going to be hearing two petitions, 29-25 and 17-24.
2:42Before we move on to the agenda, I want to briefly discuss the role of the commission and the procedures of tonight's meeting.
2:49As a reminder, the planning and zoning commission is an advisory and recommending body to city council.
2:56The job of this commission is to review development proposals and determine whether a proposal meets the applicable standards of review.
3:04So the process that we're going to go through tonight is that we will first hear from city staff, followed by questions of the commission that the commission has for staff.
3:13Then we'll invite the applicant to provide a brief overview of their proposal, and the commission will then ask questions of the applicant.
3:20After that, we will open the hearing to public for questions and comments.
3:24During the public comment period, please come forward, state your name and spell it, and provide your address.
3:31Public comments should be addressed to the commission, who will keep notes of the questions, concerns raised.
3:36And then city staff and the applicant will have the opportunity to address those questions.
3:57It's where all parties can provide comments or ask questions.
5:08And as usual, we will start with the site location of the subject property.
5:14This is a 4,420 square foot commercial tenant space that is part of the Wink Park Shopping Center.
5:34The shopping center includes several buildings, both single user buildings and multi-tenant buildings, includes the Walgreens building on the far north end.
5:43The subject tenant space in the back building with direct access off Weston Avenue outlined in red.
5:50The shopping center zone PAB Planned Area Business District that was originally established in 2010 when the Walgreens building was approved.
5:58As you can see, the properties to the west across McLean Boulevard have the same red shades, so they have the same AB zoning classification, and they are improved with a variety of one and two-story commercial office buildings.
6:13To the north, just off the screen, is the uh U 46 Illinois Park School, which is zone CF Community Facility District.
6:21To the south across Eagle Drive is Calvary Lutheran Church, zone CF Community Facility District.
6:29And then finally to the east across Weston Avenue are single family homes, zone SFR or RC one.
6:39Here are a couple more photographs of the existing multi-tenant shopping center.
6:44These are the two buildings that face North McLean Boulevard.
6:48So the applicant, the owner of the existing Borse Hat Gaming Retail Store, is requesting approval to be able to hold gaming events within the retail space.
7:01They have opened up in fall of 2024.
7:05Originally they were in Tile Creek Plaza and ultimately moved to this location to have a larger space to be able to have these events.
7:13They are proposing to designate about 3,000 square feet of the existing uh 4400 square foot tenant space for these gaming events.
7:23As you can see, the layout indicates about 100 chairs and for uh you know up to 100 persons for these gaming events.
7:33The remainder of the retail space uh would include these retail racks, some bathrooms, uh, and a small meeting room in the back of the tenant space.
7:43The applicant is proposing to add two more restrooms to satisfy the Illinois plumbing code.
7:50The proposed event space for the gaming uh for the games is essential in the trading card retail industry.
7:57Uh customers purchase card games and different supplies.
8:02They play games with other players, discover new strategies, and ultimately uh purchase more products from the retail store.
8:13The existing retail store is open Monday through Friday from 2 p.m.
8:18and on Saturdays from 12 p.m.
8:21On Sundays, the facility is closed.
8:23The applicant is not proposing to make any changes to the existing hours of operation.
8:29Once per quarter, the space would be open until 1 a.m.
8:33on a Friday, and then also once per quarter, they would be open until 9 p.m.
8:39They are not proposing any changes to the sites other than the proposed sign on the building, which will have to comply with the signed ordinance requirements.
8:50So the event space is required to provide one parking space per four seats and then one stall per each employee with the hundred seats and three employees during these events.
9:01The space is required to have 28 parking spaces, with the rest of the tenants and the retail uh service uses and restaurants within the shopping center.
9:12The entire shopping center is required to have a total of 331 parking spaces.
9:21There are 331 parking spaces on site, so the shopping center is going to continue to meet the parking requirements.
9:29The applicant at the request of staff has submitted a parking study to demonstrate that there is adequate parking within the shopping center.
9:36The their parking counts indicate that the shopping center is busiest on a Saturday morning midday when approximately 19% of all parking spaces are occupied.
9:48That's about 64 parking spaces.
9:50That means that about 267 parking spaces are still available for this event space and other future tenants within the shopping center.
10:00The proposal is required to meet the standards for conditional use.
10:04We have provided our overview of the standards in the packet, and staff believes that the applicable standards have been satisfied, and therefore staff recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet.
10:18With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.
10:20The applicant is here as well, can address the commission.
10:30Um we will start with questions and I will start on my right with Commissioner Olson.
10:37Is there a certain amount of people that participate in these gaming events that requires the special use service, or is it just overall?
10:46The overall concept of congregation for events in itself requires this type of you know conditional use approval.
10:55Okay, no further questions.
11:00No questions, thanks, Demir.
11:02Commissioner Bosque.
11:07Um we will call up the applicant to share their uh overview perspective on the uh petition.
11:20Hello, good evening.
11:22My name is Todd Slovy.
11:23I'm one of the owners of Boards Hack Gaming.
11:25Um we have been uh again open at this location since February of this year.
11:29We're currently doing retail, so that would be things like Pokemon, Magic of the Gathering, these types of card games targeted towards young adults and um older kids, and we're just seeking approval to be able to host events and uh by that we basically inviting customers to come and play the card games with their friends or with other um customers that we have, which allows the players to form a community with other people as well as increase the retail sales um of our business.
11:54And then we also believe that'll benefit the other businesses nearby as people will spend a lot of time on our store.
11:58So we would anticipate, like for instance, little Caesars is in that area, would probably see an uptick in traffic and maybe the Walgreens and some other places.
12:06So I'm happy to answer any questions uh that you guys may have.
12:11All right, great, thanks.
12:12Um, I will start on my left with uh Commissioner Mboske.
12:17I don't have any questions, but I do want to say that I like the fact that you want to create uh an environment where people can gather and do things that you know they they love to do, and it uh will also bring, like you said, uh economic value to that whole area.
12:37So I appreciate what you guys are doing.
12:43Uh, you guys are operating a little bit now?
12:47Is there any possibility that you can encourage your folks to park in the parking lots that are available rather than on the streets?
12:54Um, yeah, I mean, we're definitely open to ways that we can help communicate, whether that's put up signage to kind of help direct customers in particular directions, if that's something that we I mean, I obviously would be all for that because I know there's parking spaces on the other side of that like building, but maybe it's not immediately obvious to our customers at present.
13:10So yeah, it looks like that was the comments that we heard from there and some of the neighborhoods.
13:15So that would be nice to try to encourage them to there's so much parking lot.
13:18For sure, yeah, parking lot available.
13:23Yeah, just one question.
13:25Um, I actually stopped by your business two weeks ago.
13:29Um, I see that you guys kind of have most of the tables and stuff set up.
13:32Have you guys been doing any of the you know, sort of gaming so far?
13:36You know, maybe not to the extent that's being you know presented tonight, but have you guys already kind of started that a little bit?
13:40Yeah, we we came over from like another location that was like a lot smaller, and so we're just trying to do what we can every day to kind of make sense and make sure we're doing all the paperwork and stuff like that.
13:50But yeah, one of the things after assuming this gets approved would be to do improvements to the unit like we do the floors and kind of like freshen up the space, but we're just working with the landlord through this process before that.
14:02All right, I don't I don't have any questions.
14:05Um, so you can go ahead and uh go ahead and go back to your seat, and um I will look to staff if you have any closing remarks.
14:12Oh, public comment, sorry.
14:14Is there any comment from the public?
14:21Seeing none, I will look to staff for any closing remarks.
14:26Nothing further to add.
14:28Uh staff believes that applicable standards are satisfied, and staff recommends approval subject to the conditions of the packet.
14:37For petition 29 29-25.
14:41I move to recommend that the city council approve petition 29-25 subject to the conditions outlined within the staff report and to adopt as the findings of the commission the documents and conditions provided in such staff.
15:00Can staff call the role?
15:04Commissioner Bosque?
15:08And Chairman Wildermouth?
15:11The motion is approved.
15:14Staff will be back in touch with next steps.
15:16So thank you so much for coming and sharing tonight.
15:21The next item up is a map amendment to plan development, which is petitioned 17-24.
15:40Okay, moving right along.
15:42This uh second petition, and again, staff has provided the required notice on this one as well.
15:48So the second petition is the application by Sundeep Oberoy as applicant and property owner who is requesting approval of a map amendment to the PAB Plan Area Business District established by ordinance number G1407 with departures from the LG Municipal Code requirements to allow for the adaptive reuse of a portion of the existing multi-tenant office building for residential use as an apartment dwelling as defined by the zoning ordinance at the property, commonly known as 860 Summit Street.
16:21Again, we'll start with the general site location of the subject property outlined here in yellow.
16:28This is a 3.1 acre property that is on the north side of Summit Street, generally between Waverley and Hiawatha Drive.
16:37It is zoned PAB Plan Area Business District that dates back to 1998 when the city approved the construction of a Dominic's grocery store on that vacant land immediately to the east.
16:49However, uh that grocery store was never commenced.
16:53The parking lot was constructed as you can see, but the building itself was never commenced.
16:57Then later in 07, the city approved an amendment to that plan development when the city approved the O'Reilly Auto Parts store that's currently known as 854 Summit Street, directly south of and in front of the subject property along Summit Street.
17:16As you can see, the properties to the east to the west and then to the south, they're all zoned the same, AB area business district or PAB Planned Area Business District.
17:26To the east is the vacant land that was approved for a uh multi or commercial and residential plan development known as Bella Casa that was supposed to have 151 uh apartments or dwelling units.
17:43That project was up until recently going through the uh permitting process, but we received a word late last week that the applicant may be pulling and not deciding to proceed.
17:54So we shall see what happens.
17:56Uh but the properties to the west are uh uh a mix of one uh one-story buildings that include either single tenants or multi-tenants, uh generally commercial uses.
18:09To the south, same thing, uh commercial properties that include a variety of buildings and uses, and then to the north, as you can see, are uh residential properties along Jefferson Avenue.
18:20Those are several multifamily buildings, which is which are zone MFR multifamily residence district.
18:28The subject property is improved with an approximately 44,000 square foot building and a surface parking lot surrounding the building that has 143 parking spaces.
18:42The building in itself is uh consists of four four separate buildings.
18:50They're known as four separate buildings that are connected by uh interior internal or interior corridors.
18:57Uh the building to the south, as that's known as the building one, is the one that is mostly occupied.
19:04The other three buildings are uh generally vacant and and not occupied with any tenants.
19:11Uh the building is unique in that the lower level is slightly uh elevated.
19:21Uh so the windows are visible above grade.
19:24This is the middle picture, probably shows that the best.
19:27And that means that the the first floor is slightly elevated as well.
19:32So it's a one-story building, but it's a sort of a high one-story building.
19:37The access to the property is across the O'Reilly property immediately to the south to Summit Street.
19:47So the applicant is requesting the approval for the adaptive reuse of the northern three buildings to convert those buildings to 34 residential units.
20:00So this is a site plan that's kind of rotated.
20:03North is on the left, Summit Street is on the right.
20:06This is the O'Reilly building, and then this is the subject building that consists of these four sort of separate buildings that are connected.
20:14This is the building one closest to O'Reilly and Summit that is mostly occupied, and these are buildings two, three, and four that are proposed to be converted to residential units.
20:26So the applicant would keep the front building as is for office uses, about about 6,000 square feet.
20:35The building is occupied with primarily medical office users, and they would all remain.
20:40Currently, the zoning allows for dwelling units above the first floor.
20:45So the applicant is proposing on the lower level and then on the first floor of all buildings, and that's why there is a need for an amendment and zoning approval to that plan development.
20:55Overall, there are minor site changes proposed.
20:58Most of the changes are to the to the buildings on the interior.
21:01But on this uh overall on the site plan, they're proposing to relocate the uh uh the refuse collection area, the dumpster from this location in the back down to a more centralized location here in the front that would be enclosed with a six-foot-high solid wall that frees up four parking spaces.
21:19It brings that number of parking spaces on site from 143 to 147.
21:25They would also install a water main that kind of loops around the building to provide uh the necessary water connection for the sprinkler system and then for the for the fire hydrants.
21:35And then the applicant is proposing a uh a recreational amenity for the residents, like an outdoor seating area here with two covered canopies that's generally in the this is along the east property line.
21:55This is the first floor plan.
21:58Uh I mentioned most of the improvements are to the on the interior of the buildings and some on the exterior to modify the windows.
22:07Um the 34 units are in the second, third, and fourth building.
22:13This is the 6,000 square foot front building that would have multi-tenants here.
22:22There are 22 studios proposed with sizes ranging from six 633 to 720 square feet in floor area.
22:31There are three one-bedroom units that range from 853 to 891 square feet in floor area, and then nine two-bedroom units that range from uh 1,101 square feet to 1,130 square feet.
22:46All of these unit sizes exceed the minimum floor area requirements by the zoning ordinance.
22:54And then here's the lower level uh plan for the building.
22:58The front building would have uh storage units on the ground on the on the lower level, and then the buildings two, three, and four would have a mix of residential units.
23:08Overall, building two would have 10 dwelling units, building three, which is this one right here, would have 12, and then building four would also have 12 units.
23:20From the parking standpoint, the proposed so the every dwelling unit based on their size of each unit, they're required to have two parking spaces per dwelling unit.
23:31The 34 dwelling units that is a total of 68 parking spaces required for the residential component of the building, and then the uh medical office users in the front building are required to have 29 parking spaces.
23:46Overall, that's a total of nine or 97 parking spaces required for the entire property.
23:51As I mentioned, they they have 147 parking spaces on site, so it far exceeds the requirement by the zoning ordinance.
24:00These are the proposed elevations for the building.
24:04The one on the top is the partial south elevation facing the summit street, and then the one on the bottom is the partial west elevation of that building too.
24:15The proposal includes two departures from the zoning ordinance.
24:19The first one is, as I mentioned, uh for the location of the dwelling units proposed.
24:24The zoning ordinance allows them only above the first floor.
24:28They're proposing on the lower level, the basement level, and then on the first floor.
24:33And then second, the departure is for the recre location of that recreational equipment.
24:38It's generally allowed only in the rear yard.
24:41Uh, this property has a parking lot in the back, so the recreational amenity is generally in the side yard east of that building four.
24:51The proposal is required to meet the standards for map amendments and standards for planned developments.
25:18No questions, thank you.
25:20Commissioner Buskay.
25:23No questions for staff.
25:25Commissioner Olson, no questions for staff.
25:27And I don't have any questions for staff at this time.
25:30All right, we'll call upon the applicant and uh come forward.
25:43Oh well, good evening.
25:46My name is Sun Deep Bobroy.
25:48I've owned the building at 860 Summit since I think somewhere around 2011.
25:54So it's about 14 years.
25:57It was a commercial building, largely intended for medical office space, and over the years, just the demand for medical office space has shrunk because there are fewer doctors that are starting their own medical practices.
26:20Most of the units in the building were developed as this dock in the box approach where they were designed with a uh you know a reception area and anywhere from two to five um exam rooms.
26:38And uh most doctors in the last eight to ten years have actually sold their practices and have gone to work for hospitals.
26:48So we're seeing very little demand for commercial space.
26:54Uh one from the medical community, and then uh to the extent that there is some activity, a lot of that activity seems to have moved to Randall Road instead of what used to be on Summit Street.
27:10So, you know, I a couple years ago I had a meeting with uh the honorable mayor, and uh one of the things that came out was you know residential space that was you know, maybe five or ten percent um uh vacancy.
27:29Uh industrial space was like maybe two percent vacancy, but office space, particularly after COVID, has been a challenge.
27:38So with all of those developments, you know, we were we we approached the city and wanted to see if we could um uh you know turn it residential.
27:51It's a beautiful building, but unfortunately, as a commercial building in the last 11 years, we we went from 60 percent vacancy to almost 80 percent vacancy now.
28:03And so we're hoping if we turn it into residential, we'll be able to get most of it leased, it'll be good for the community.
28:12Uh there is a large residential community around it, and then there's the grocery stores and some commercial activity there as well.
28:24So we're hoping that the planning and zoning committee will will approve our our application.
28:34We're happy to answer questions.
28:37Um, I will start with uh Commissioner Olson.
28:40Sure, thank you so much.
28:41Um great project, it looks like excited to see this redeveloped and actually have a good use uh in that neighborhood.
28:47So a few questions for you.
28:49Um, with the commercial building, if at any point in the future that became vacant, would there be intention to convert that to residential as well or leave it commercial or haven't gotten that far yet?
28:59Well, at this point, I'm hoping we can leave it commercial.
29:03We have now you know some of the doctors we have have been there.
29:07I mean, one of the doctors has been there for 35 years.
29:10Um they don't seem to have a desire to move, and if the residential community in the area grows, um they're happy to be there.
29:20It's it's the new doctors that we we're having trouble with.
29:24Um in the pharmacy that we had in the building, they've had challenges because of Walgreens and CVS.
29:34In fact, Chris, who ran the pharmacy sold his business and his book of business to Walgreens and went to work for them.
29:42And you know, so those are the challenges.
29:44We I you know I'd be open to uh the idea of turning it um uh residential, but we wanted it to have the least impact on the existing tenants.
30:00So you know, uh with what we're doing, uh the existing tenants will have zero impact.
30:07They'll be able to continue running their business and be able to provide service to the the tenants will we're hoping to bring in who can live there.
30:19Um is there gonna be kind of designated parking for those tenants in that commercial building versus residential, or is it just kind of all mixed in?
30:26It is mixed in at this time, and you know, some of that we might decide as we you know if if there is a conflict, we might move uh you know uh some of the parking areas to be reserved.
30:42Uh we could they could be assigned.
30:44Uh once I mean if we guess to that point, the parking spots can be assigned to units.
30:49They can have a number and then everybody uses their assigned spot.
30:53Christian, can you please sorry?
30:55Could you state your name for that court require, please?
30:57Uh Christiani Coraian with C3D architects.
31:02Um sorry, analysts here, I'm just running through.
31:05Um I noticed that there's a lot of old dead trees on the property, some old dead fencing, um, you know, things like that is all gonna be kind of cleaned up and taken care of as well.
31:16Okay, and then I know you guys have to install a new water main.
31:19Will the parking lot be completely replaced through the back as well?
31:22Yeah, I'm hoping we'll have a brand new parking lot.
31:25Uh that might be one of the first few things we do because if we're ever going to sell these or get people to live in these apartments, the first thing they're gonna see is the parking lot.
31:35So the outside amenities they have to be appealing and attractive.
31:40So before we hit the units themselves, we'll probably do the community stuff first because that will help fill in the residential units.
31:51Uh last question, there's that um driveway that connects to the rear of the property that goes out to Higher Walter Drive.
31:59Is that gonna be maintained?
32:00Uh obviously it's not your property, but is that going to be an entrance and exit still?
32:04I would love to have it because I I suspect we have an easement that allows traffic to come in through the back.
32:12Um you know, some of what we I have observed, and you know uh some of our tenants have complained about is the entrance that we have that is on Summit Street is a little bumpy, you know.
32:26It's uh in if you had an older vehicle with the shock observers are a little older, then it um it yeah, it hits you know the your your bumper will hit the payment.
32:37So I'd like to see a lot of our residential tenants use the back entrance, and for that we will probably need the owners next door to cooperate.
32:50That's what I was asking.
32:51Is it's in terrible condition, uh a lot of broken glass, shopping carts, trees, everything there.
32:56Uh, but I definitely think would be a good idea.
32:58And we you know, if we had enough activity, we'd probably go in and demand that.
33:03We haven't had, I mean, you know, most of our um traffic comes in from the front of the building.
33:10Right, and then there is the there are two entrances.
33:14I think the other one that comes in from where um the Casa East, a little east.
33:22There's another uh entrance directly.
33:24That is a nicer entrance.
33:26So I think a lot of the traffic comes in from that side.
33:30But yeah, I mean that would be something I'd like to see our our residential tenants use because it just seems like you can get in and out without having to deal with traffic on the main road.
33:46Uh Commissioner Jones.
33:48No questions, thanks.
33:50Commissioner Buskay.
33:52Uh most of my questions have been asked.
33:55But I do want to add that reusing a space is key for uh smart city solutions.
34:04I'm a strong advocate for things that leave a small footprint and create um more of an economic impact.
34:14Walkability is gonna be great for people who live there, although it's not a um low income per se.
34:24It's very attainable with the prices that I've seen.
34:28So I'm I'm excited to see the uh the project come to fruition.
34:34Um and I'm just curious if there's been feedback from the existing tenants in the commercial space.
34:40You know, um most of the tenants um uh I've communicated with them.
34:46I provided them this information.
34:48Uh there was one tenant who had some questions, and I've had a conversation with them, and uh they're happy to work with us.
35:00Uh there's one tenant who is located in one of the other three buildings that we're gonna turn residential, and um they're gonna move to the front of the building.
35:09So I think um that helps our commercial tenants, and then based on what we have, just about everything in the in the back three buildings can be turned residential.
35:27Thank you very much.
35:28We will now um you can have a seat.
35:29We'll turn it over to public comment, and then we'll see if there's any questions.
35:38There's one name on the sign and sheetly.
35:40So that was on my um so we do have uh one name on sign and sheet, um, and that is uh forgive me if I say the the name wrong.
35:49Um last name is Martinez, Phil, is that right?
36:03My name is Phil Martinez.
36:04Uh I live in that general area, uh, close to like Blackhawk and Congden Avenue.
36:10I go by there daily, many times, and nothing personal against you or anything like that, but the property already is in it's in bad shape, it has been for many, many years.
36:25I don't know if you guys realize the the shape that that's in is in a U horseshoe.
36:32And in the past, Elgin has always had trouble with these type of apartment arrangement, building arrangements with the parking area in the middle where bad activities happen.
36:43Look at the property behind Butteras.
36:46I don't know what the name of the property is now.
36:49Um Hunter's Ridge, they have areas where you could uh have illicit activity going on.
36:57The city always had trouble with them.
36:59Umberry Court, um Poplar Creek, that was a big problem with them too, where you could go back into the streets and they uh we used to have a lot of gang activity, drug activity, uh prostitution, and um it's just a bad setup, and we're asking for trouble here, especially if it has the two exits from one from Summit and one from Waverly.
37:28Usually the police department doesn't like that because it's hard for them to control things, but um I I just wish it would stay um commercial.
37:41A block to the north is Jefferson Street, there's smaller buildings there, six, eight units.
37:49Um, duplexes, and we've we have look at the reports.
37:56We have we've had shootings, we've had uh gang activity in the past.
38:03I mean, not not too long ago, and and I know because I I read it all the time on the police reports, and I think this is like the last thing that we need here.
38:14I don't know why we can't look for something more appropriate for this area because everything in to them to the east and to the west is all commercial.
38:23Why not keep it that way?
38:25Uh I mean, offer the property to uh ECC or Judson for a satellite facility or uh memory care or you know uh a physical rehab center or something like that.
38:42It's just this is a I think if this was a really high-end um product, that would be really nice, but generally the they they start in really nice, they fix them really nice because they have to come in and sell it, but then the the owners either sell or they come in with the new management company, and it's not the same quality then.
39:07Then it all becomes uh a dollar thing where they have to make a profit, and that's their main concern, and everything it just in Elgin it just never really works good in uh as time goes by, and we're just gonna end up with with problems.
39:27I I mean the parking in the area there is uh to me is the main concern that should stand out to you guys looking at this uh situation.
39:36It's a good they you you can't see anything from Waverly from Summit.
39:41Uh you can't see anything from uh Jefferson, it's just a good thing to hide um bad activities.
39:52So I mean I wish you guys would consider it and and either because you're look at the thing, it's 21 studios.
40:03It's um uh the one bedroom units.
40:07It's not one of these where you're they're gonna ask a lot of a lot of money, and you're they're gonna ask for people um that don't necessarily need a lot of money for a place to live.
40:22And you we're asking for trouble, and to me that concerned me for somebody that's lived there for over I've been I am born and raised in Elgin, and in that area we moved in there 31, 32 years ago, and it's still a very nice area to live in it, and I like it.
40:38I'd like to keep it that way too, but I think this isn't gonna help, and just go.
40:42I mean, go back and look at the reports on Jefferson, you'll see the lot of activity problems.
40:47Drive up and down the pro the property there, and it's not what it used to be.
40:52And and I think it's because it changes ownership or management companies, and the same is gonna happen here.
40:57I'm not saying that they're they're gonna be like that, but in time it seems like it always happens.
41:04It's just in a matter of five to ten years, you'll see the property start to change.
41:08It won't be as nice uh kept as when it originally is set up.
41:16But keep it in mind.
41:17Okay, thank you very much.
41:19Thanks very much for your comments.
41:21Um I've got a do we think a question for the applicant wants to address any of those?
41:28The other member of the applicants team is here.
41:30Certainly we can uh see if the other member of the can address the commission or any of the questions.
41:36Yeah, or I there was one question for I think maybe maybe staff can answer while we sure wait.
41:42Uh there is a comment about the the easement and the two entrances.
41:46I don't know if you can speak to that.
41:49I can certainly answer that.
41:51Uh so I was trying to pull up the survey for the property adjacent to the east where that easement would be located, and it does not appear that there is a cross-access easement on the property adjacent to the east that allows for uh access to to Waverly Drive.
42:09There are other easements up there for sewers and and water main and whatnot, but not a cross-access easement along the north.
42:16There is, as the applicant has indicated, there is a cross-access easement towards the front of the property uh in sort of that directly from uh O'Reilly to the east, and then it kind of goes down to the driveway to Summit Street.
42:31So uh, but along the back, there isn't one.
42:39I would suggest opening up to the rest of the public.
42:43Let's uh yeah, is there any other public comment on this petition?
42:55Um seeing none, I'd I'd like to offer the opportunity for the applicant uh to come forward and address any of the concerns raised if they'd like yeah, I'm not sure I understand all the concerns, but one of the things that popped out was uh whether these studios are gonna be affordable.
43:28Um if uh affordability is a detriment, I I would disagree with that.
43:36Um and uh uh because there are studios I don't know enough about what kind of gang activity takes place in Elgin and uh uh what the references are.
43:54So unfortunately, I can't talk about you know why this building uh would not have the same problems the other uh areas have had.
44:09I could tell you this, um if that building stays vacant, there is a greater risk of you know um uh bad activity taking place over having a building that is has residents in the building.
44:31So I mean that's um that would be my position.
44:36Just want to give you an opportunity to address the commission.
44:40Um you can go ahead and have a seat, and we will is there any other public comment on this petition?
44:49If not, we will close the public comment portion and look to staff for any closing.
44:55Oh, is there any other uh sorry?
44:58Is there any other questions of the commission?
45:05Uh maybe you can answer this, Demir.
45:06Do you know if they're planning any lighting outside in that parking lot on the building, uh cameras, anything of that sort?
45:13Their plans do not indicate any lighting or cameras.
45:24I've opened the camera.
45:26Chris with uh C3D architects.
45:29Um the uh site plan will be detailed and uh will be uh developed to the standards required for a parking lot.
45:37So it will have new uh uh light holes and everything, so you it will meet the requirements for safety and uh lighting monitoring, it will be probably a must.
45:52I mean, this is uh featured that it's affordable and everybody does it.
45:57I mean, every management has their own uh monitoring of uh their facilities.
46:04There's gonna be recording and uh surveillance system in place anyway.
46:11Hope that's addressed.
46:13The only other thing I want to add is there is already Mr.
46:18O'Broy, if you wouldn't mind speaking to the microphone, I'm sorry.
46:22I just want to add that there is already a surveillance system in the building as it is.
46:28So you know, if we had more residents, um I don't see uh adding a surveillance system as being a deterrent or a massive investment uh in the project.
46:44So you know, I we definitely consider it and um have it as part of the project.
46:52Any other questions of the commission?
46:56All right, you can go ahead and have a seat.
46:58Um we will close the the comment uh portion.
47:01I'll look to staff for any closing remarks on the petition.
47:07I don't think we have anything further to add.
47:09I'm happy to answer any of the questions.
47:11Um we do believe that standards have been satisfied, and that's why staff recommends approval subject to the conditions.
47:20Is there a motion to approve petition dash uh 17-24?
47:29Uh I move to recommend that city council approve petition 17-24 subject to the conditions outlined within our packet and to adopt as the findings of the commission those findings also provided within our packet.
47:46Staff please call the roll.
47:56And Chairman Wildermore.
47:59Uh motions approved.
48:05And uh staff will be in contact with you on next steps in the process.
48:11Um, we will now move to other business.
48:24Yep, any other business.
48:30Uh then we will go to um public comment.
48:34Is there any public comment?
48:36All right, come on, fo come on down.
48:47All right, if you can state your name and uh your address for the court reporter, please.
48:51I'm Chris Cunningham.
48:53I'm an Elgin resident at 153 Dawson Drive.
48:56Uh Cunningham is C U N N I N G H A M.
49:00Uh Dawson Drive is in the River Park Place neighborhood by Festival Park.
49:05Uh I am not an expert in zoning and planning, so I maybe I'm in the wrong place, and I appreciate your time.
49:12Uh basically the homeowners association that runs my neighborhood is attempting to close off the neighborhood by putting gates at all the pedestrian walkways.
49:23And also they want to put a gate across Dawson Drive, which is the way that you would drive into the neighborhood.
49:30Um they cite safety concerns and uh my favorite things about Elgin are community and walkability.
49:38And so I want to know if like where I should start to try to engage the city to help me keep my neighborhood a community place and a walkable place, and I just don't know where to start.
49:52So well, we can thank you for uh coming and speaking.
50:00I'll give you my business card uh at the end of the meeting, and we can certainly discuss changes like that are they start with the community development, the planning department.
50:06Uh your development was approved as a plan development, so there's probably a site plan that was associated with that plan development.
50:12Um so we can review that type of request.
50:16I'm not sure it doesn't it doesn't sound like you're in support of that, but maybe the HOA is looking to do that.
50:20Typically, such proposals start with the community development department.
50:25We'll review that, we'll review the uh ordinances that are in effect and if that's possible or not, and if it's not possible, the process that would have to go through to make that possible.
50:33Uh but we can certainly have that conversation.
50:36Okay, thank you very much for your time.
50:37Yeah, thanks so much for coming forward.
50:40Is there any other uh public comment?
50:49Um with that, we will move on to summary of pending development applications.
50:54Thank you, Chairman Wildermouth.
50:56Uh so we have I'll just quick update.
50:59So at the council meeting on Wednesday, uh, the council is expected to review the Larkin Stadium development for the Larkin High School, and also the sign that uh is a 2125 point boulevard.
51:13Those two items were reviewed by the commission last month.
51:16Uh the other item, the uh automobile detailing shop at Dundee was uh most likely going to be heard at the next council meeting.
51:26Uh we have received an application for uh for the construction of a new elementary school by U46 at 850 North Grove Avenue.
51:40That's the the former DC Cook plant building and property.
51:46Uh they're looking to demolish that plant building and then construct a new elementary school.
51:51So that will be in front of the commission in the next next couple months, probably.
51:56Um that's probably about it in terms of new stuff.
52:03Um there's any questions about any of the other items.
52:05I'm happy to answer any questions.
52:10Any questions for staff on uh any other development applications?
52:17No questions for me.
52:19Uh then we will go to adjournment.
52:22Uh if I can have a motion to adjourn and move to a chair.
52:30Can staff call the roll?
52:37And Chairman Wildermouth?
52:39The motion is approved.
52:41All right, thank you, everyone.