To call the June 1st, 2026 meeting of the City of Elgin Planning and Zoning Commission to order.

Can staff please call the roll.

Commissioner Abwali.

Yes.

Commissioner Boske?

Present.

Commissioner Jones?

Here.

Commissioner Olson?

Here.

Commissioner Rubel?

Here.

And Chairman Willemore.

Here.

We have four.

All right.

We'll move on to approval of the May 4th, 2026 minutes.

Do I have a motion to approve?

I move to approve.

Second.

Can staff please call the roll.

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Olson?

Yes.

Commissioner Abwali?

Yes.

Commissioner Boske?

Yes.

Commissioner Rubel?

Yes.

And Chairman Wildermuth?

Yes.

The minutes are approved.

Six to zero.

All right.

Thank you.

So good evening, everyone.

Welcome to the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting of uh June first, 2026.

Um tonight we will be hearing petitions uh thirty-six-twenty-five and thirty-seven-twenty-five and zero six-twenty-six.

Um before we move on to the agenda, I just want to go over um the process for tonight's meeting um and also discuss the role of the commission and the procedures.

Um so as a reminder, the planning and zoning commission is an advisory body to the city council.

The job of the commission is to review development proposals and determine whether a proposal meets the applicable standard of review.

Um and then uh the commission will um first hear uh from city staff on each project, and then we'll be uh allowed time to ask questions of city staff.

And then we'll invite the applicant to come forward and provide a brief overview of the proposal, and then the commission will have the opportunity to ask questions of the applicant.

And then after that, we will open the hearing to the public for questions and comments.

Um during that uh period, please come forward, state your name and spell it, and then provide your address, and then public comment should be addressed to the commission, and um we will be taking notes um and keeping track of any questions that arise and uh allow staff or the applicant to respond to those questions if they so choose.

Um and then once we've uh heard from all parties, the commission will then deliberate, vote, and then pass on that recommendation to City Council.

And um with this time, we will move ahead on the agenda.

And those of you that wish to speak tonight should now stand and take the oath to testify.

So if you think you might be speaking tonight, go ahead and um stand up and and take the oath.

Thank you.

Um look to uh staff to provide um information regarding that petition.

Thank you, Chairman of Wildermorth.

Uh as you came in, you found a brief memorandum from staff that was left on the dais for each commissioner.

Staff is simply requesting that the petition 11-26 uh regarding 80 North State Street, that's the conditional use to establish an amusement and recational service, uh, more specifically the evil intentions haunted house.

So staff is requesting that that petition be continued to the next regularly scheduled meeting, which would be uh Monday, July 6th at 7 p.m.

And that's simply to allow for more time for staff to review the the last submitter.

You uh the latest submittal that was received from the applicant.

You might have uh noticed that we got a lot of documents on Friday, the 26th.

We tried to finalize the report, and we did, but it over the weekend it became uh clear that uh other departments still had to review all those documents and they need more time.

So that's that's really it.

All right, great.

Thank you.

Any questions from Commissioners before we move on to the next item on the agenda?

All right.

Um with that, we will move up to uh petition uh 36-25 and 37-25.

We do need a motion to continuing.

That's that's fine.

Okay.

Um, can I have a motion from the commission to continue petition 11 dash 26?

I motion to continue petition 11 26.

Is there a second?

I'll second.

Can staff please call the roll?

This is a motion to continue to the next meeting on July 6th at 7 p.m.

Commissioner Bosque.

Yes.

Commissioner Abuali?

Yes.

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Olson?

Yes.

Commissioner Rubel?

Yes.

And Chairman Wildermouth?

Yes.

Uh motion is approved six to zero.

Great, thank you.

Um we will now move on to petition 36-25 and 37-25.

Thank you, Chairman Wildermouth.

All right, so the next item before you is the application by the Emmanuel Church of Elgin, also known as the Larkin Avenue Baptist Church, uh, is the applicant and property owner who is requesting approval of a map amendment and planned development as a conditional use with departures from the LG Municipal Code to establish the property with the existing single family residence located at 1172 Larkin Avenue as a separate zoning lot from the church property with the rezoning from CF Community Facility District to RC2 single family resident residence district.

All of this at the property that's known as 1152 to 1172 Larkin Avenue.

As usual, we'll start with the uh general location of the subject property.

This property outline in yellow is about 1.25 acres.

Uh it's on the north side of Larkin Avenue, as you can see between Melrose Avenue on the west and Aldean Avenue on the east.

Uh the property zone CF, community facility district, as it's home to the Emanuel Church of Elgin.

Uh as you can see the properties to the north and south have this yellow shade over.

Those are zoned RC2 residence conservation district, and they uh primarily include single family homes.

Uh the property to the east, uh directly to the east across Aldean is zoned NB, neighborhood business district.

That's a vacant commercial property that was formerly a gas station and a repair shop.

And then to the west across Melrose is the former Larkin Center.

That's on PRB, Planned Residence Business, that is now home to uh several multifamily buildings.

So the subject property on the top here is the bird's eye view looking to the north.

Uh is improved the L-shaped church building that's got the address of 1152 uh Larkin Avenue.

It also includes a one-story office building, uh sort of administration building in the middle here with the address of 1158 Larkin Avenue, and then the church's parsonage, which is the single family residence here in the far west end with the address of 1172 Larkin Avenue.

Property also has a surface parking lot in the back with 50 parking spaces.

Uh that parking lot has full access to Melrose Avenue and then a second access in the back of the church.

It's a one-way access to Aldean Avenue.

The single family residence has its own two-car detached garage, but its own access to Melrose Avenue.

So the church is proposing to establish this the former church's parsonage, the single family residence on the property as its own standalone property.

Once the property sort of becomes its own standalone property, then it needs to be rezoned to residential zoning classification for that single family family residence to be in conformance with the zoning ordinance.

So there, that's why the applicant is requesting the approval of the rezoning of that part of the property to RC2 residence conservation district.

And that zoning classification would match the zoning across the street, which is also RC2.

The general the property lines between the church parcel and the single family residence parcel would follow the existing six-foot-high solid fence that is on the property.

The resulting church parcel, however, would not comply with the resulting site design requirements, as this now would be the new property lines for that parcel.

That parcel would be 45,738 square feet, and requires coupled departures from the site design requirements for the CF community facility district.

That's the reason the church is requesting the approval of the planned development as a conditional use.

Obviously, the church has improvements within those 26 feet.

On the north side, there's the parking lot that is actually about 0.6 feet from that new lot line.

And then again, the existing shed is about two and a half feet from that from that property line.

That's really it.

The applicant is not proposing any uh improvements to the church property or the single family residence.

We have our analysis of the standards for map amendments, so for the rezoning, as well as for the planned development and for the conditional use is in the packet.

Staff uh finds that all applicable standards are satisfied and recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet.

With that, I'm happy to ask any questions.

And the applicant's team is here as well.

They can address the commission.

Okay, thank you.

Um I will start on my right with uh Commissioner Olsen.

Any questions for staff?

No questions for staff.

Commissioner Wally?

No questions.

Commissioner Jones?

No questions.

Commissioner Busque.

No questions.

Commissioner Verble.

No questions.

No, I have any questions for staff.

I will invite the applicant to come forward.

Good evening.

Good evening.

Yeah, my name is Doug Shufflow.

I'm an attorney, and I'm representing the Emanuel Church.

I have with me Richard Sander.

He is the lead pastor and the resident of the house that's being discussed.

And he will also subsequently be the buyer of that house from the church.

And we also have one of our trustees, Aliana Narve Narvez, and a deacon Ladana Spurlach are here in support.

I think staff explained pretty much what we're doing.

We have a campus and we're trying to separate the parsonage.

Uh nonprofits are you know struggling financially.

Uh this frees up the the value of that uh parsonage can be put back into the church.

Um it facilitates uh future um pastors that no longer uh would want to live in a parsonage, um may already have their own residence and that type of thing.

Um so I think I think it's so it's vital to the church and it's consistent consistent with the trends um in churches.

Um I don't know if you want to add anything to that, or I mean the staff's done a great job of uh detailing you know the the interaction of the two zoning codes that's uh all done by them.

The there's you know the variations are minor, or some of them might seem major, but it's just the existing parking lot is already right next to this to this house.

The house itself has uh you know, a large lot.

There's all those uh similar residences north of the church property and then across the street to the south.

So I think it's I don't I don't think it's uh detrimental to the community.

And this this house was originally part of the the neighborhood and not part of the church, but the church uh grew over time and acquired that house and added parking as well.

So um that's what anything?

No, any questions for that's all I know.

Sounds good.

Um I'll start on my left with Commissioner Vrubal.

Any questions?

Yeah, just one.

Um so would you try to keep uh the house?

Like the the occupants, um future occupants.

Would you try to have them be uh members of the church or is that the plan or we weren't planning to restrict the real estate in that sense?

Uh clearly if he chooses to sell in the future, um you know he can contact the church uh see if they have any interest.

Um he's hoping to retire before too long, and and but continue to stay active with the church and stay in the house.

Let me just say something about that.

Um I just retired.

Um I was a bi vocational pastor, meaning I had a full-time job.

I retired from that last September.

Um, and uh remain as I guess you'd call it a part-time pastor at the church.

It is a small congregation.

Um, we've we've lived in the house 30 years.

Um if I had known I was gonna stay at this church for 30 years, we would have bought a house a long time ago.

Um, but as I approach my retirement from my full-time job, um, I really don't see a point when I'm not going to be living in Elgin until Laird's comes to pick me up.

Um, but uh no, seriously.

I mean, my my dad died in his home at 88, so um, you know, we've we become very involved, we've made a lot of friends here.

Um I put on the red suit and do a lot of things in the city for Christmas.

So this is my home.

Okay, so I don't I can't tell you what I'm gonna be doing, obviously health-wise, but I have no intentions of you know, this is home for a while anyway.

Okay, I was just curious why why I was suddenly getting divided, but also I just wanted to make sure that there was no issue with that lot line and the parking lot for future.

But this sounds great.

I have no further questions.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Uh Commissioner Buskay.

I also had a question as to why it was being divided after all these years, but you perfectly explained why.

And uh we love having people like you in our in our community, and uh that's what makes our community great.

Commissioner Jones.

No questions, agreed, thank you.

Commissioner Wally.

Um just bringing up that lot line thing.

I I'm happy that you mentioned that previous to the pastor living there, it was considered residential, it was separate from the church.

But that parking lot was not there in that form, right?

No, no, it was not.

Well, it was gravel.

Okay.

Uh it went paved in uh I believe it was 1999, so I'm not sure exactly about lot lines between the house and the church at that point.

Yeah, all right.

And of course, like you mentioned, it doesn't seem to be a detriment to the community, but maybe resale in the future, maybe you know, issues like that.

Is that something you've considered and are taking any kind of precautions on?

Um not really, to be honest with you.

Perhaps we should have.

Um, like I said, it's it's in my mind I'm gonna be there for a long time, so let my kids deal with it after I die, I guess.

I don't know.

Well, I'm sorry.

No, it's okay.

In my mind, it's how long will this property be potentially vacant for the city of L.

I see I understand we don't want you to go anywhere.

Yeah, just the thought.

I understand that's a good point.

Yeah.

I mean, I I think it could have a resale value question.

You know, somebody's gonna want to be close to the church, and you know, you might not get top dollar because of that.

Right, you know, unless you're surrounded by single family residents, you're not gonna get top dollar.

But they don't interact at all.

There's privacy fence between the residents and the parking lot, it's about three feet.

That's a very common situation, you know, through that part of town, the old part of town.

Um the church campus, if you call it that, you know, it started with a church and then they added on over a period of time.

So I don't have that.

I couldn't uh lay out when they bought the various parcels, but that's considered the side of the house, correct?

Where it's butted up to the parking lot.

The north is the garage.

Okay.

So that that's uh rectangular to the north of that is is the garage.

That would be that'll be the rear yard.

The front door, yes.

What's that?

That would be the rear yard, rear property.

It is the rear.

All right.

So they just put a fence on the side of it then.

On the east side, okay.

And then along the uh north side up until the garage.

There's a strip of land about six feet wide there.

Okay.

And you mentioned three feet from the house.

I thought I read something that said it was less than a foot.

Is that the shed or is that so what he's referring to is the distance between the garage and the parking lot is about three plus.

The the property line will be about 0.6 feet from the property line to the uh to the parking lot.

Okay.

Okay, no more questions.

Commissioner Olsen?

Uh no additional questions.

Um just want to make a comment that the house is always well maintained.

It looks great, so no concerns with that.

Thank you.

Yeah, uh, no questions from me.

I think it makes sense about you know what you said from uh making sure that you've got the the house separate from the church in terms of a financial situation, so it makes sense to me.

Um with that, um I think thank you so much.

We'll appreciate it.

Um at this point we will open up uh the petition to the public for any public comments.

So if uh there's any members in the audience that wish to say anything regarding this petition, please come forward.

All right, seeing no public comment, I will close this part of the hearing and look to staff for any closing comments.

We don't have any I don't have anything further to add.

Staff recommends approval subject to the conditions in the packet.

All right, is there a motion from the uh commission?

I move to recommend that city council approve petition 36-25 and 37-25, subject to the uh conditions outlined within our packet and to adopt as the findings of the commission, those findings also provided within our packet.

Second.

And in uh just one item uh discussion, was there proof of proper notice?

Yes, we have thank you very much.

Thanks.

Uh with that, I'll ask that staff please call the roll.

Commissioner Olson.

Yes.

Commissioner Boske?

Yes.

Commissioner Abu Ali?

Yes.

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Rubo?

Yes.

And Chairman Wildermouth?

Yes.

The motion is approved.

Six to zero.

Thank you.

All right, we will now move on to petition 06-26.

Before you do that, thanks uh to the previous petitioner.

Thanks for coming.

If you want to head out, go ahead and do that.

You can continue working with staff for your next steps.

Appreciate it.

Okay.

Thank you, Chairman Wildermouth.

And uh the second petition before you uh and we do we have provided the required notices in this one.

So this is the application by Wayside Cross Ministries as applicant and Wayside Cross Ministries title holding company is property owner.

We're requesting approval of one a plan development as a conditional use that incorporates and amends ordinance number G109 06 and grants departures from the LG Municipal Code.

And two, conditional uses to expand the existing emergency shelter and to establish a transitional housing facility, all within the existing light industrial building, commonly referred to as 1730 to 1740 Berkeley Street.

So we'll again start with the general location of the subject property.

This is a 1.17 acre property that is zone GI General Industrial.

It is on the north side of Berkeley Street, about 670 feet or so east of 2nd Street.

This is in the southwestern industrial park of the city.

As you can see, all surrounding properties have a sort of a light purple shade over them.

The properties to the west, east, and to the south are uh GI or PGI industrial districts, whereas the properties to the north are CI commercial industrial district.

To the north uh are several one story light industrial buildings, uh primarily with uh uh special trade contractors.

To the south is a 246,000 square foot building that is home to a uh a packaging wholesaler.

Uh to the east is a one-story multi-tenant light industrial building that shares uh full access to Berkeley with the subject property, and then to the west is the uh trucking terminal by uh RL carriers.

So here's a bird's eye view looking west.

So the subject property is improved with uh one one story, approximately 21,000 square foot light industrial building.

Uh it has multiple tenants and tenant spaces, and it also includes 40 parking spaces generally on the side and in the back of the building.

The property has, like I said, one full access driveway that is shared with the property to the east, and then there's a second uh access driveway that's on the west side of the building that's generally a one-way access to Berkeley.

So in 2006, the city approved by ordinance G109-06, the establishment of an emergency shelter within the units A and B of this property of this building, and that emergency shelter was subsequently established in 2007.

This is the unit A, and then the unit B.

Over the years, uh Wayside joined PADS and uh so they now together operate this shelter.

Uh the shelter was recently sort of split pads services uh 30 people and then Wayside primarily uh PAD services primarily overnight, uh up to 30 individuals, and then Wayside provides primarily daytime services for up to 30 individuals.

So that shelter for up to 60 persons was approved in 2006.

Um recently, both Wayside and PADS acquired additional tenant spaces.

Uh Wayside acquired this, it's known as unit C, and they use it for storage, and PADS similarly acquired this unit F that is also uh used as a separate tenant space for general warehousing and storage.

Um two other tenants spaces are in the building.

One is already uh vacant, uh, the other one the tenant the turn the lease expires at the end of August.

So PADS and Wayside are now requesting approval to expand within the entire building, uh the services, and then to service uh up to 180 persons, 118 persons instead of 60.

So this is a proposed uh expansion.

The on the left is the phase one expansion.

So uh pads would generally stay within their uh units A and F and provide services for up to um 40, I believe 40 people.

Uh this is the uh yes, a in the A and F.

Uh they would continue to have eight staff members and excuse me, it was up to 48 individuals.

Uh this space is approximately 8,185 square feet.

Um they would continue to provide primarily overnight services, however, they would also provide some daytime services coordinating with other uh area nonprofit agencies that uh help people that experience homelessness.

Wayside uh would stay within the rear portion of the building, they would occupy the remainder of the building.

That's about 12,943 square feet, and they would establish uh what's known as a transitional housing facility up to 70 persons.

So that total is 70 plus the 48 for for pads would be 118 persons.

Uh this wayside facility would be uh similar to the facility that they operate in Aurora.

Uh it simply provides housing and residential recovery program that is a five-step program that they can provide more details about.

Uh but it's for both men and women.

Uh, individuals have to be admitted to the program, and they generally reside here in dorm style living quarters.

Uh they have a variety of programs, job training, um, counseling services, and sort of spiritual and and motivational support.

Pads would have 10 professional staff members and up to three what they call resident assistants.

These are individuals that have gone through the program and are in the later stages of the program where they're actually serving as employees of the facility.

You may recall that Wayside uh petitioned the city to establish this transitional housing facility at 890 North State Street.

That was approved by the city council in December of last year.

However, after that approval, they were not able to come to terms with the owner of that property, and they had to forego on that initiative.

So they they switched back to this facility.

Wayside actually owns the entire building.

So the phase one improvements would be primarily on the interior of the building, uh, except for closing of several um overhead garage doors on the north side on the east side of the building that would open up additional space for parking.

They would increase the number of parking spaces from 40 to 44, and then they would also construct a refuse collection area in the back.

Phase two in the future would include construction of two additions, one in the front, about 600 square feet for pads uh that would provide additional support areas, and then one in the back for wayside that would be about 1,500 square feet.

That would be the uh donation collection center.

So the proposal, so here's a proposed elevation that generally shows the infill of the overhead uh garage doors that would be filled in with the masonry that would match the exterior of the existing building.

Uh and then here's the floor plan that generally shows that this is the front on the left side and then the back for wayside.

This area in the front before the addition is constructed would be used for uh outdoor playground equipment for for children as pad services, some families with children.

Uh that location is one of the departures needed by this proposal.

Uh the that's the location of the playground equipment.

It's only allowed in the rear yards, they're obviously proposing that in the front.

The other two departures that are needed.

The first one is the setback.

So the existing building is about 20 feet from the front property line.

The addition would match that same setback of 20.7 feet, where 25 is required.

So uh that's that's the one departure.

And then finally, the number of parking spaces is based on the number of beds uh with 118 persons.

That's there this type of facility is required, one parking space per two beds, and then plus one per employee.

Uh that leads to a total of 77 parking spaces required.

They would have only 44 on site.

Uh, staff is comfortable with this request because uh individuals that come to these uh facilities generally do not own personal vehicles, so it's generally uh just the the parking needs are for staff members and uh sort of random volunteers every so often.

So the 44 parking spaces can more than satisfy the needs of the facility.

Uh the uh requests meets needs to meet the standards for planned developments and standards for conditional use.

Uh our overview of the standards is in the packet, and staff recommends approval uh subject to the conditions in the packet.

I believe there's one condition worth mentioning, and that's that no outdoor storage of any kind would be permitted, and the applicant is not proposing any, and I believe that's the only condition worth noting.

With that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

All right.

Thank you.

Um I'll start with uh Commissioner Vruble.

Any questions for staff?

No questions.

Commissioner Busquet.

No questions.

Commissioner Jones.

I don't know if you know this or not.

How does this complement or work together with the city's program with the homelessness and the Lexington motel?

I know they're trying to buy that.

Is that working in conjunction with some of our with our not-for-profits?

How what is that relationship?

I suspect that those are two separate initiatives.

Um, but um maybe the the applicant can provide some answer that I really don't know.

Okay, thank you.

You're welcome.

Commissioner Wally.

No questions.

Commissioner Olson.

No questions.

All right.

Uh with that, I will invite the applicant to come forward and uh please state your name and uh provide us uh your thoughts overview of the project.

Good evening.

My name is Dave Krieger, I'm the director.

Uh so I'll try to answer any programmatic questions, and then we have two other individuals here.

I'm Steve Wise.

I live in Elgin, and uh I'm the uh all the buildings, control of all the buildings, so general manager.

Uh my name is Martin Skreshinski, and with Silv Architects.

I hope uh the way side to come up with these ugly drawings.

That was a joke.

Yeah, let me just say this.

Um we appreciate the uh commission and uh city council, and I know you folks have worked with us for years, and uh we're thankful for all the approvals that you've done in the past.

Uh as uh Demir mentioned, things did not work out with the building on State Street.

So uh once we knew our two additional tenants that are at the end of the building were gonna vacate, that provided an opportunity for us.

So uh we also have a representative here from PADs if you have any questions.

And so we do work hand in hand with PADS.

Uh we have a spiritual component, they have other components, but we do kind of the same thing to the for the most part.

Uh they have women and children.

Right now we're operating with men only.

Uh we we have, as Demir mentioned, a five-step program, basically, it's basically phases, five phases.

The first three phases are really a program where when those phases are up, they essentially graduate, but they can stay on board and work.

We also here, unlike in our Aurora facility, we have a part-time work program for the gentlemen that are there as well.

So our program, at least for Wayside, uh, we like to call it a life transformation program.

And uh we have guys there that have all sorts of issues and problems.

Uh we are separate from the issue of uh that was mentioned was a good question about um the Lexington Hotel.

Uh we know some of the folks that are over there at the Lexington, they might have been with us when we remember we were at Fremont Street and we had a day program, and now we have an overnight program.

So we have a different kind of structure and a different kind of operation.

But uh we are seeing an increase.

So we started overnight last uh basically December, and lately we noticed things are picking up.

So we're at about 66% occupancy based on the 30 beds, and so that's why we're looking for this opportunity to expand on the wayside side uh with another 40 giving us 70, and I believe another 18 on the pad side giving you 48.

So that'll increase things significantly, and part of the plans also call for a more extensive kitchen area because we'll be feeding a lot more people.

So if you have any questions or if you want to hear from uh uh concerning the facility.

Sounds good.

Um Commissioner Jones, I'll give it to you first.

So those are completely separate issues, the LGIN, the city's program and housing of the yes.

I guess I but I'm under the impression you guys all work collaboratively for for meeting those needs of the of the unsheltered.

Well, I uh in a sense we are in that there's a couple of task force out there.

I know um there's a homeless task force that meets, they have a Zoom call every so often.

We all we do talk and uh you know trying to see what's going on.

This the challenge for us and maybe for pads as well, is our program is very structured.

So there are a lot more for lack of a better term, restrictions, uh things that we put in place to help these folks move on from their current situation.

So some folks are not interested in coming on board.

The ones that we do have are committed to what they're doing, and uh, if they don't like what we're doing, basically they can move on.

We're not a prison or anything like that, but uh we're finding we have a good group of gentlemen there, at least on the wayside side, and um they've accepted that kind of break off from their current situation.

So not to say the Lexington program isn't good, but it's different.

They have a little more they're they're uh we have a little more leverage than they do.

I hope that makes sense.

Yeah, absolutely.

I really admired all your programs that you brought before us, the one on State Street.

I'm sorry to hear that didn't go through.

I thought that was really awesome, what you guys were looking to do.

So I'm thrilled that you're continuing with the venture.

Thank you for helping you did on that to get us there and we designed it.

I hope it comes to fruition for you guys because it's really really needed in the city of Elgin.

So thank you for your work.

Commissioner Buskay.

I guess the question I have is what happens what happens to the 119th gentleman that comes in.

You have room for 118.

What is uh the extra naming?

Yeah, an extra person.

Right.

What when you're at capacity, what's what's the he's asking you what if you get an extra person waiting list?

Oh, yeah, it would be a waiting list.

So uh although keep in mind too, we also are part of the larger enterprise wayside cross, they have 90 more beds over there.

So uh in Aurora in Aurora.

Yes, in Aurora, I'm sorry.

So uh if they have beds open, we'll send folks over there as well.

So uh we can only hope we're gonna fill up with 118, and who knows, maybe uh there'll be an opportunity to expand even further somehow, but right now we're just trying to fill those 118 beds, which includes pads as well.

So hope that answered your question.

Sorry.

Yeah, good.

Thank you for just one thought.

Originally it was meant for the Elgin facility, which was a day center only to be a feeder to the full program in downtown Aurora, uh, which is a full seven month seven month to two-year program.

And so uh, you know, we we don't uh we don't it it makes it doesn't make any sense to have someone go through a seven month program and graduate and then we say goodbye, you know.

So we allow them to stay up to two years and we're finding them housing and jobs and uh these are the things that we transition people back into society and and uh so um but now Elgin will be uh less of a feeder to us.

Yes.

And we're hoping to do the same thing, you know.

If we have the beds, they can stay on.

So this work program we have, they can work part-time starting the second month, they're there.

But once they reach the seventh month and they go into the fourth phase, they could work full time.

If we have the beds, they can stay there.

You know, the other thing that's good about our location is um our program managers here, Marcado.

He and I went over to ECC, and they have, of course, a homeless initiative there, and so we're already trying to connect with those folks.

I know PADS does similar things, see if they can provide GED training, uh training for other skills and sets, and so that's a real benefit for us being where we are now.

So I appreciate everything you guys are doing.

Uh Commissioner Bruble.

Hi.

Um, just have a couple questions um regarding the the plan here.

So the 1500 square foot addition, um, that's just for donations.

Do you have any plans for uh uh resale shop like you did over at the state?

Or is that possible?

No.

Basically, that's the main program for the donation, but it will be uh based on the need at the given moment uh uh perspective for putting that donation is pretty vague at this moment.

It's just kind of we want to secure this at the one process.

Uh we will be not going to the phase one with this edition in mind exactly what's gonna happen there from what I saw uh given that they're enclosed in the walls right now with their program, they may actually need to expand the dining area or training areas.

So that addition may be splitting three functions there, and the donation drop off uh will be as a location, indoor only, and probably move to the larger warehouses they have in Aurora.

So it will be not a dependent storage, it will be just a point to receive that and sort it out and move on.

I was just curious if you were gonna have a store or not, like like you planned.

So remember we had the store.

Yeah, we we don't have any plans for a store on this site.

Okay.

And I have another question.

We have two resale stores in Aurora.

Oh, you do, okay.

I don't think it's not attractive for store location.

People uh will not travel there to vote.

You never know.

Thrifters will go anywhere.

Um so another question.

So as far as the playground, would that be um is that gonna be there's like a fenced in area now?

Is that gonna be behind the fence or is that patio are you up here?

Okay, it's already fenced.

Okay, good.

And that's one of the scenarios uh when we were planning for that with uh early on with uh Pat director, she said that she would like to see this filled in with something more useful than just a patio.

Sure.

No, I my concern was just with the children and it being on the street side playing.

I'm glad that it's fenced in.

Yeah, if that will be a scenario that they decide to go uh with the playground, then then they will of course it will be fenced and access from interior only.

And uh there are other uh ideas for that addition if this happened.

At this time of the time of this planning, pads didn't declare any funds for this.

So again, it's just a scenario just of securing that eventually in the future.

Okay, um other than that, I just do want to reiterate that I am really sorry that that bill fell through.

Because that was that I was looking forward to seeing that.

And they had the restore right next to it.

Yes, yes, yes.

That would have been nice.

Well, thank you.

Commissioner Wally.

Um you are jumping from 30 to 70 residents.

It's quite a jump.

I mean, um the unhoused female population in the Elgin area is also increasing.

Has there been any discussions about potentially making it both?

Yeah.

So we have a section in the middle that right now it says women's door.

So we are looking at that.

There's some challenges there.

Staffing also kind of separating the men from the women.

Uh but it's it's there.

I can tell you this.

When we were over at uh Fremont Street, we struggled to get maybe five to seven women there.

Uh mostly men.

So part of the problem is if we have five to seven women, we have to staff that separately.

So our staff that are on board that work with us on the men's side, they can't do that as well.

So it's there, we're looking at it.

We just have to deal with those challenges.

So sorry, I'm looking at you and you're sorry.

It's okay, Commissioner.

You could look at any of us.

So that actually that's all I wanted to know is that there was some consideration to it.

Oh, yeah, it's definitely a consideration.

And on the plan, I know it's small, you can't see it, but uh one of the plans it shows a section.

Yeah, it says women's with their own.

In Aurora, there is uh Aurora has a whole separate building about a mile away from our main building, and uh it's called Life Spring, and they have men and uh women and children there.

I think they have 18 or 20 actual apartment units.

So that's the other thing.

If women approach us, uh even now we try to route them over there.

And of course, they can go to pads.

I don't know what the capacity is there, and children as well.

15 women.

Yes, okay, good.

Thank you.

Sure.

Commissioner Olson.

No further questions, they've all been answered, but thank you guys for your continued commitment in Elton.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Um I just have one question.

Um just to clarify.

So is Pads a tenant in the in the way in the wayside building?

Yes.

And then I'm just curious what is the like the um lease length of like what the length of pads lease.

I guess my my line of questioning comes in like approving this, just you know, ensuring that there's continuity that one day, you know, maybe pads finds another location or something and decides to relocate or and and just how that kind of is playing out.

Yeah.

Well, the plan well, pads is about how how what are you about eight months into uh I do leave you're a year in?

Yeah, because wasn't it August?

Maybe it was August, yeah, something like that.

So they're pushing a year into a five-year lease.

Okay.

I mean, that was our intention was to keep them.

We want that, we want to work together.

And so that's why we extended a five-year lease.

We could have thought, well, you know, if pads would leave, then we'll expand.

If that happens in uh in the uh in the future, then we will expand into that spotlight into their existing uh allowance.

Um but we have no intention of that.

No, it's it's it's great to see.

I'm uh I'm a big proponent of the co-location of services and making sure that those wraparound services are available and the appropriate um care is provided and the appropriate setting.

So really uh appreciate that.

That's all questions I have.

So all right.

Well, thank you very much.

Appreciate you uh coming and um sharing your uh overview of the project.

Um at this point, I will open up uh the petition to public comment.

Is there any members of the comment that wish to provide me testimony?

All right, seeing none, um I will close the public comment portion and look to staff for any final comments.

No other final comments, staff recommends approval subject to conditions.

All right, is there a motion from the commission?

I move to recommend that city council approve petition 07-26, subject to the conditions outlined within our packet and to adopt as the findings of the commission, those findings also within our packet second.

Can uh staff please call the roll commissioner abwali?

Yes, commissioner Jones, yes, Commissioner Bosque, yes, Commissioner Olson, yes.

Commissioner Rubel?

Yes, and Chairman Wildermoved?

Yes.

The motion is approved six to zero.

Great, all right.

Well, uh thank you for coming tonight, and please continue working with uh staff on the application, and we look forward to everything.

Well, have a great night.

Yeah.

All right, uh next item on the agenda is other business.

Any other business for the commission?

Not from the city from staff.

All right.

Any other business from the members of the commission?

All right, seeing none.

Uh oh, sorry, go ahead.

Commissioner Jones.

Um at the last meeting, uh, I had asked about some of those properties that seem a little uh um not as favorable on 31 when we would approve that petition, and somebody did reach out from the city and let me know that they've hired a new code enforcement, and so I I just want to thank you for that.

Um but I also just want to say, you know, in our Elgin, I hope that Elgin is not using that code enforcement as a weaponizing form of enforcement.

I hope it's um uh a helpful tool and you know, a useful tool in the toolbox.

I hope that those code enforcement officers are going out there with every opportunity that uh financing, funding, grants, whatever that our city has available to those businesses and those places that they're visiting, because um I think sometimes that part gets missed and it comes back in a negative fashion rather than uh uh we want to lift you up and make you a better part of this neighborhood.

So I'm just throwing that out there that I want to make sure it's being used as a tool, not a weapon.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

Any other uh business from the commission?

Okay, um with that we will uh now move on to public comment.

Seeing seeing none, um we'll look to staff for a summary of pending development applications.

Let's see.

Uh just an update on the uh quick trip application over in McLean and um Fleetwood.

That petition was supposed to be uh uh went through council for consideration, received approval.

Uh the last second before the last meeting, they requested to be pulled from the final council consideration that would grant them the final zoning approval.

They're uh finalizing some engineering uh uh documentation and and studies and plans, so they uh they're investigating the stormwater issues, so hopefully those will be ironed out in the fairly soon and and they can uh get the final zoning approval of that.

Uh but that that's why the one that project is under a council sort of waiting council final council action.

Uh aside from that, I'll point out we have um an application by seven brew to locate on the vacant parcel and summit that is actually zone residential, so we got to rezone that property.

Um I believe that's it that is worth pointing out unless there's any other questions.

Yes, Ms.

Ruble.

I just thought of something.

Um so I went by uh that beef, is it V filla on the one that we approved?

Variants, so the dumpster enclosure?

Yep.

Yes.

Um how long did they get for that?

Excuse me.

I didn't see the enclosure.

I wanted to go by.

I was just driving by and I saw the dumpster sitting out there, and I thought, oh, that's why it was a good idea to get the enclosure.

Yes.

Well, so they again, this is one of the things where where code enforcement works with the app with the individual businesses to give them additional time to secure financing to find proper contractors to get the work done in a timely manner rather than issuing fines and sending them to court.

Uh but we've had challenges uh in to get that into compliance and uh we're working on that.

And um I I know it will be done.

I think they've just recently applied for the permit, but it's we're working on it.

Okay, curious.

Thank you.

Since you mentioned gas station, I know there's probably no response, but that one, there's nothing at all on yeah, same thing.

They're they're having ch you know, they can't find financing, they can't figure it out.

So it's uh it's unfortunate.

I mean, you guys have seen a lot of these businesses come through here, and uh we kind of get them through the approval process, but then ultimately is up to the business to to make ends meet and uh ultimately propose something.

So um we just kind of have to wait and see.

I'll ask one more question.

Yes.

Um about the uh the Hindu Temple temple and townhomes.

Yeah, no news on that either.

Um my assumption is that they're working through the courts to that's I was gonna see if you had any update on the process.

I'll put it on my list to get some response from them if they're willing to share.

Um and I'll provide an update if I if I get anything.

So any other questions regarding pending development applications?

Yes, Commissioner Rubel.

It's this this is doesn't have to do with anything, really.

But I'm just wondering like um uh that that uh housing bill, so it stalled over the weekend.

Just wanted to say that.

That's true.

Yeah, we'll see what happens in a fall session.

Yeah, we'll see.

All right, with that, um we will uh let's have a motion to adjourn.

I move to adjourn.

Second.

Second.

Staff please call the roll.

Commissioner Jones?

Yes.

Commissioner Abwali?

Yes.

Commissioner Bosque?

Yeah.

Commissioner Olson?

Yes.

Commissioner Rubel?

Yes.

And Chairman Wheeler?

Yes.

Motion is approved.

We're adjourned.