Welcome everyone.

I'm gonna turn it over to Councilman Nelson, who's our financial wizard for the council.

No, and you can just immediately then turn it over to you guys.

Thanks for coming.

All right, here we go.

Good evening, everyone.

Uh breaking news stories.

Oh, I'm sorry, we have the first slide.

The police department budget's made up of three different sections.

It's obviously the police department itself, traffic court, uh, which is only two employees, and the police civilians, which is 23.

All combined is approximately 45 million.

It's I believe councilman Nelson is informed me it's 39.5% of the budget.

We're under 40.

See, ask and you might receive.

Um good.

Yeah.

Okay, here's our breaking news stories of this past year.

Obviously, our canine unit was re-established.

We'll talk some about that.

The large snow event hits Erie again, Snowmageddon too.

Uh just to hit on that real quick.

Uh I got a report today from our traffic enforcement.

They've been doing operation.

Ok tow Burfest.

So they've been out towing vehicles.

Oh, okay.

In October.

So that the streets when we get to the bad storms won't be the abandoned cars.

Uh in 2024, just in the month of October, they cleared 61 cars.

And you remember what you know the snowstorm we had and how bad it still got.

Uh this October they cleared 97 cars.

I thought that was pretty important.

So just to give you a little update on that.

Umicides.

Unfortunately, we started within uh I think within two hours of the new year was our first homicide of the year.

Celebrate Erie, tall ships and firefighters challenge.

Challenge the police resources.

It was a busy, busy year.

Tall ships coming in.

Uh celebrate, you know, the week after celebrate area along with Firefighters Challenge made a real busy October for us.

Only two VIP visits, President Obama, Vice President Pence, pretty easy.

Uh big other news stories were the closure of State Street, and we worked with Pendot on that.

Still ongoing in the Bayfront Highway.

Uh we had several meetings and worked closely to try to make that work well.

And so far, I I haven't had any major uh problems down there, so we're happy about that.

The department's gotten seven new vehicles, over a million dollars worth paid by grants.

And then our central operations remodel has begun.

We'll talk more about that.

Um I know we had a few accidents in the last few months.

Were any of the newer vehicles, those accidents by chance?

Do you know?

Um one, two, two of them.

Two of them, okay.

Two of them, yeah.

One was uh substantial damage, um actually three.

One was our fault, substantial damage, one was not our fault, substantial damage, and the third new car was a minor.

So not bad.

The garage does a great job.

Thanks to public works.

How is the officer doing?

Recovered, covered and back to work.

And his canine partner too.

Uh this page here is our calls for service.

You can see since 2022 the calls for service continue to increase.

Currently, we're in the 54,000.

We project by December 31st to hit 63,000 calls.

Um part of that I'm all I'm gonna attribute to the uh we've building trust with the citizens that they feel comfortable calling.

Crimes against person.

Uh you can read all those, but you know, shots fired are down.

I'll talk more about that.

People shots down, homicides went up, hey, we're salt steady.

Um the uh rapes were down, but the sex offenses went up by 61.

And that's uh, you know, those are the indecent uh touching incidents and stuff.

Uh more are being reported, unfortunately.

We like to get that down.

Uh next page, we're talking about property crimes.

Burglaries were down 36.

And again, we're only talking the uh first three quarters of the year through October.

Um burglaries are down, thefts for motor vehicle are steady.

Our thefts went up by 81.

And also you'll see the fraud went up 138.

What we're having is a lot more what we've never had before were the porch pirates, you know, the packages being left out and stolen.

The phone scams, particularly targeting elderly, and then there was uh some statewide fraud with the public assistance office, and those cases needed to be reported locally.

So that kind of attributes why we had so many of those.

The good news is on the violent crime, the homicides, the national clearance average is about 52 percent, you know.

It's a it's a coin toss whether they get solved nationally.

Here in Erie over the past seven years, we're running about 90 percent in the last four years, and I believe that's nine twenty-nine, thirty, uh, around 30 homicides all solved.

Um, and of those homicides, looking at the first three quarters of the year, 20 through 2025, you'll see the number of homicides on the graph, and then the orange is ones that we believe are gang related.

And the good news is in 24 and 25, they were both zero.

All that work we've done over those last few years, targeting the four nation gang with the feds doing the drug work, doing the uh RICO case.

We we've we've really reduced the amount of gang violence that we've experienced in the city.

So that's a good number there.

Just this morning, if you happen to read the uh newspaper, there was a study there uh out of Akron, Ohio, they talk about um they did a survey of adults in the social science and medicine report uh talking about uh gun violence, and uh it says that they confirm what pastors, residents, and advocates told the Akron Beacon Journal.

Each instance of gun violence ripples across communities, affecting the physical and mental health of not just the victims and their families, but also those who never knew the victim or those who knew the victims or witnessed the shootings.

Um increased risk of mental illness, including symptoms of anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder, stress lowers the life quality, social trust, and physical health.

And again, that was in this morning's paper.

Just thought that was good timing.

So the good news is in the city of Erie, you can see since 2022, our number of people shot has continued to go down.

Again, this is through the third quarter.

Um actually it should be eight.

The ninth one was in the fourth quarter.

But you see that tremendous work that the department's doing to get those numbers down.

Um we're in the 11th month, and so far we're at uh nine total, so that's good.

Of course, then the next one is okay.

We've had these shootings, not just homicides.

So, how are we doing in clearing them?

In 2022, we solved 31 out of 62.

That's an easy easy 50 percent.

Even I could figure that one out.

Um, then I took out the calculator.

84 percent, 70 percent, 75 percent.

Those clearance rates are above all the national averages each year.

We are targeting the most violent people when we arrest them and take them off the street.

The rest of the community is safe.

We talked about uh we re-established the canine.

Here's a picture of Bo, Atlas, and Deacon.

This was their uh swearing in ceremony, and then we have our official uh department photo with the three brand new Tahoes before they crashed them.

But they're doing very ass.

You know, I know that they're really expensive vehicles, and I would hope that we're trying to you know mitigate the accidents on the newer ones.

Yeah, well, the unfortunately the one was uh somebody came through a stop sign and T-boned it, but uh it's back.

We're we're back in full operation now, and luckily those were paid through grants.

Here's the numbers, and remember the um the unit was established in February, but they went to Ohio for school for five weeks, and then we had some in-house training.

So really, I don't believe these numbers start till May, and we don't have a complete year in yet.

But just to look at the the numbers there, I won't go through them all.

I'll say though that they re because of the dogs that they seized 27.

The dogs can smell the gunpowder on the guns and and sort and find them for us.

And because of their work, uh, you know, one dog's trained recognize uh narcotics, so over 18,000 dollars came in because of their work.

Then you see the amount of C substances.

I'll skip over that.

Juvenile unit that was one of our first units to come back with the ARP officers.

Uh from 246 last year was 256 to 268.

So the the the trend is uh very slow going down the number of juveniles that are being charged, but 40 percent of them are qualified for diversionary programs.

So that's a great uh number, and our our detectives work closely with the juvenile probation department to try to get as many kids into those diversionary programs as they can.

Uh switching to the crisis intervention unit.

Uh they've been around for a while, the types of calls.

We've gone over this before.

Uh the new thing was that we have we got a grant last year with a co-responder program.

That's two civilian mental health experts.

They work closely with the unit.

Sometimes they go out with the officers, sometimes they just do follow-ups.

But if the officers are identifying problems, they have two experts that they can call and ask them to follow up.

We can really target issues when they come up rather than just putting a band-aid on hoping things are quiet for the night, and we're back there tomorrow for another issue.

So it's it's been receiving a tremendous amount of community uh response in their work, so uh it's just been a uh a great great unit going on.

Uh on the overdose deaths, uh, you can see the last three years they've been going down.

Still 21 people dying uh and th within the first three quarters of the year.

We you know, we're just it's down.

We'd like to see that keep going down.

Our next page is our 10-year comparison of police overtime.

At the moment we are under budget.

Um we'll talk more about that in a minute.

There's a 10-year comparison uh on the next page.

Uh like I said, I'm gonna skip through these quick.

The next page is the grant-funded positions in 2025, same as last year.

There's 32 positions being paid by grants.

The next page, you see the pie chart on it.

Um these are uh reimbursements uh and grants for work that we've been doing with other agencies, and uh grants for vests and different things.

Totals almost 1.8 million dollars.

Last year, that number was 1.2.

We've we've increased it over a half million dollars, and we'll continue to work to find those grants to continue uh doing what we're doing, so we can get it under 39 percent.

The next page, uh, this is out of the the uh regular budget book.

You'll see that the department since uh 2022 has been at 194 officers.

Number of higher new hires, retirements.

Uh we've had six so far this year.

There's two medical that are still in the works, and next year again we always predict about eight to ten retirements.

Uh next page is the uh current manpower.

We're budgeted at 194.

Uh we had a couple retirements right now.

We've been at 191.

Long-term sick and injured, takes us down to 180 able bodies to perform.

And uh last year we were at 175, so we're a little bit healthier this year.

Next page is about the population guide.

And then we're in the technology.

And the only one I'm going to cover on here, because this is all the same as last year's book was the last one.

Crime Center fuse this and uh Chris is gonna take take it for a second.

So basically, we were able to levy money from uh different grants and additional money to put cameras, uh quad head cameras throughout the city in strategic locations uh based on crime and uh traffic patterns.

Uh these cameras are placed throughout the city so that we're able to monitor things as they happen.

Typically, uh, for instance, and I'll use a homicide if we have a homicide within the city.

The first night the homicide detectives go and they're doing all their interviews, day two, three, and four were backtracking video.

You know, we find this video, and then we gotta we've got to watch it and figure out where they go and then find the next video and backtrack.

Now we'll have our own camera system throughout the city.

We have roughly about 200 to 300 cameras up in the city currently.

Um we're also placing uh license plate readers uh so that we can capture license plate data throughout the city, as well as partnering with other agencies.

So we just partnered with the port authority and we're actually able to pull some of their cameras into our real-time crime center.

Um this gives every officer the ability to uh watch an incident that has occurred and also watch live data or live feeds.

So if we're having an issue in an area, an officer can stay uh parked in a strategic location, watch any kind of activity, and then we win if we need to.

Um so we're in the process of setting up uh the actual real-time crime center where we'll have multi-computers and monitors and all that.

Um, but just in the uh beginning phases, I mean the officers have been using it left and right to capture high quality, high definition video of incidents that are happening.

Um day day one we went up live.

We had a uh one of our officers went down to the port authority from this tall ships to make sure everything was blocked properly for no parking, dinged on a uh stolen U-Haul van.

We could uh had a camera set up in that area where we're captured coming in uh and then identify the individuals that had taken the U-Haul.

So it worked out really well.

We've had a lot of good uh information coming through those.

We can also start to uh in the future, we're gonna be sending out requests to other businesses and residents to get their information.

Uh basically it's a map where all our cameras are shown that we click on it, we can see it, and we have multiple overlays for our computer-aided dispatch that shows up with the calls, um, our shot spotter and some of other other technologies.

We can also live view uh body cameras and car cameras from that as well.

So, should we have a major incident, homicide shooting, calls for service that that uh multiple officers are going?

Uh the officer in charge of detectives can actually watch as things unfold live.

So it's it's pretty interesting once it's uh all set up and the technology in the last few years through the grants that we've been able to bring in.

It's beyond what I thought we could have done.

And uh it would the department will continue doing doing that, working for the grants, putting this stuff together.

Real-time crime centers are the trending policing across the country at major departments, and the fact that we can do it here is is pretty uh telling of the uh quality of the the work that these guys are doing here.

So I was happy just to have carbon paper.

Do we have cameras at 26 in parade?

Yes, we have cameras in that area.

So we're watching individuals park on the sidewalk constantly.

The currently the cameras are not necessarily monitored 24-7.

So if we had a call for service there, uh we might be able to pull some data up, but we don't have uh you know a set of officers or officer watching every camera.

As they said, we have about 300 to 350 that are set up.

Well, they they stay on the sidewalk.

Yeah, we'll we I can we'll make sure that we let somebody know that so we can we can monitor that.

You know, and I was told well they pay their ticket.

Well, total boot.

They don't care if they have the money to pay the tickets and then they park anywhere.

God forbid someone in a wheelchair have to go into the streets to get by.

Well, make sure the motorcycle unit knows.

How much does a camera cost to purchase and then uh just to maintain and the data storage?

So each originally when we started the project, the camera cost from the purchase to the installation was running around ten to twelve thousand dollars a camera.

Um we've got that cost down now to around two thousand to three thousand.

The reason the cost of the camera was so expensive was building the infrastructure going from intersection to intersection.

Now that most of those intersections are built out, we're able to add a camera roughly between 2,000 to 2500.

That's up and running.

Um as we've progressed, we currently have what they're called archivers or four four servers that are holding all the data.

Uh as we keep expanding, we'll have to get more.

We we need to be able to keep some video so we can go back and watch it.

Um retention depends on currently how much hard drive we have, how much hard drive storage we have.

Um so we do have that in place.

Um, and I and I have to credit um our IT department, our technology coordinator, and then uh Chuck Carnes from uh from public works.

If those guys weren't doing or assisting with this project, it would not have got off the ground.

So those those three individuals, um, Mike Folkrod, Chuck Carnes, and uh Jason Lucini, those three basically made uh took the big heavy lift and and made this possible.

So um, but it's it's you know operational.

If anybody ever wants to see it, we would we can show it to you, just kind of give you an idea of all right.

Um yeah, I really do recommend if you stop by and see Chris or Jason, they can show you what this system can do, and it's it's mind blowing.

It really is uh incredible.

Before you'd have to go from this computer to that computer and different drives and all kinds of hurdles to get over.

All right, the next uh two pages.

I'm just gonna say they've been in the bulk reasons for overtime.

They're you know why we spend so much on overtime.

Uh the next page is the overtime reimbursements 2024.

I just caught that there.

That's updated or not.

It is 25.

Yes.

That is 25, just the year was wrong.

Yeah, I can change that.

Right there, it says we have about 12% left of our um overtime uh budget.

Uh, and unfortunately, we still have three pay periods.

Uh, and of course, the most used vacation next to summer is you know, between Thanksgiving and Christmas, New Year's.

So I think we'll get through the next pay period, no problem, but the last two might put us a little over there.

Uh breakdown of comp time.

Uh we've explained that before.

If anyone has questions, go ahead, but I'll keep this moving here for us.

Um and then we're we're back to Chris for the uh internal affairs report.

Uh so uh to date we currently have uh 29 citizen complaints uh that have been investigated or being investigated.

Um out of those 29, uh we roughly have uh five have been sustained, one incomplete, two unfounded, one referred, and twenty of them have been exonerated.

Uh currently 54,750 calls for service.

Uh breaks down to about one citizen complaint for uh about every 10,009-5 calls for service, uh, which is on average what we're we're getting every year.

Uh complaints are typically um staying about the same, they're slowly starting to come up, picking up a little bit more after COVID.

Uh during COVID in the inception of body cameras, they dip down into the teens.

Um, we're slowly starting to climb back up.

I'm happy to report though, most of those numbers are or most of the complaints that I'm I'm getting are uh able to be cleared within a day or two, specifically because of body cameras, and it's typically the type of complaint are either type of the citizen feels that there was some kind of uh neglect by the officer or some type of you know there was rudeness or something to that effect.

And it's typically the type of complaint are either type of the citizen feels that there was some kind of neglect by the officer or some type of you know there was rudeness or something to that effect.

I'm happy to report this year at 2025 to date.

We have zero use of forced complaints.

So we do not have any use of forced complaints for this year.

Last year we did have uh eight of them.

Uh all eight were exonerated, seven were exonerated by video, one was unfounded.

Um so uh overall uh the department's doing very well.

Um, you know, and obviously uh we are sustaining complaints, so you know that goes to show that we are seeing that there could be some deficiencies we need to improve on.

Um, and we are uh you know, taking those actions to make sure that the officers out there are treating everybody with uh respect and doing their job.

And the citizen complaint form is right online, so they don't have to come down like they used to or go to a DJ's office to get the form.

It's it's online, they can submit it that way.

We're closing in here.

So uh the police athletic league.

All I can say is wow, they're in their tenth year, gone from 35 kids and three officers at one school that we hit the 2,000 mark.

2,000 kids are now registered with PAL.

That's 102 police officers work at along with other law enforcement agencies, teachers.

Every Erie School District building has it.

It's at four community centers.

They hosted six summer camps, field trips, including Washington, DC, New York City, Chicago, Gettysburg, Niagara Falls, and Pittsburgh.

Mill Creek last year started, and I believe they're about to start a second school out there.

And PAL has year-round wrestling and boxing.

Are the Mill Creek schools doing wrestling?

Mill Creek only has one school so far, and it's third grade, I believe.

Next year they'll have third and four, or this year, I guess would be third and fourth, but they're talking about another school.

Um the big thing is when we you know, when you talk about capital, um, you know, here's a picture of what the uh front of the police department looked like.

Um there's one of the clerks working, that's his workstation every day by all those wires and stuff.

Uh the the remodels begun.

It's uh it's been cleared out quite a bit.

It's looking good.

Uh that last page you'll see is you know, when we move things out, you know, the best way to describe the cables and wires were spaghetti.

It was everywhere.

Every which direction, and a lot of those were hanging underneath the uh drop ceiling because of the uh asbestos.

Uh they're making everything right.

It's gonna be a very uh very nice department.

Uh the officers, particularly the civilians that have to sit in there for their entire shift, really deserved this uh refresh.

It's been over what 65 years, so we're glad that we could do that for them.

Um as far as the budget goes, uh Lisa will tell you, you know, she gave us the uh obviously the uh the raises according to the contract.

Uh we asked for a little bit more here and there, but uh nothing uh extreme.

We want to keep it under 40.

And uh we did that, so I don't that's all I have, unless you have questions.

Yeah, I'll I'll say you know, and the 40 percent is a number that I'm the one that keeps touting, obviously.

Um that's you guys you guys are right at the spot now.

I mean that's that's the really normal range.

Um my first year it was 44 percent.

So you guys have brought in 40.

Um, and then the grants that you guys have got have kept it like almost all departments are between 30 and 40 percent, but the grants you get are probably bringing you close to that 30 percent number.

Like that's those are good.

That's a good budget.

I'm I'm really happy with it.

You know, uh the ARP money that was put into the revenue replacement program and all these other things that don't quite understand.

But I can tell you this, and Lisa will repeat it, that uh we are good through 2029 to continue to department at 194 officers.

After that, the department's got some more grants to look for to um to try to keep that number up.

If we slip back into the 170s, I don't know that we'll have enough officers to continue doing all that they do.

Keep these numbers down, but that's for future.

As of right now, I think uh we we've kept the budget pretty much on online with where it's been reminding ourselves that we have to go off of the grant money to keep these ones.

Big difference, big difference, I mean any questions.

Three minutes over, sorry.

No overtime chief.

All Flenny and power still awake.

I'll turn it over to them.

All right.

Thank you.

We need to find another chair.

We'll take this one and I'll grab another one.

Okay.

No, I'm good, thanks.

I hope it's not a good one.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Thank you.

Now, if you guys can move down, it's like that for the great.

There you go.

Thank you, man.

Good.

Thank you all.

Everybody likes the sealers.

And honestly, we've done it for the past few years, and I I honestly thought the police would bring their dog, so we could not bring Horace.

But everyone ready?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, we'll go by the slides.

Umployees is uh 141 in this budget, it's up one.

Uh there's the numbers, you know, the salaries, you know, the count for the contractual raises, benefits, and then the operating costs.

Uh the key changes this year is we're adding an emergency management coordinator.

Uh the increase in our software costs, because everything has to have software.

Um, and then the contract arbitration that was awarded, which uh increased salaries.

Uh that chart shows you that personnel costs are the biggest cost.

Probably have the whole city, not just the fire department.

Um that just shows uh the different, you know, uh numbers for how many we have of you know, firefighters, and then all the separate uh uh parts of myself, the assistant chief, you know, the deputy chiefs.

Uh that's the cost outfit of firefighter.

Thirteen thousand nine hundred and fourteen dollars.

That's up six hundred dollars from last year, and COVID made it jump.

It used to be around six.

I mean, I go way back, I can remember it at five.

But uh every year it goes up a few years ago, it went up a lot.

Uh and that's you know, their turnout gear is the most expensive thing, that's just under five thousand dollars a set.

Um average cost of a firefighter.

Uh I think they figured it at a 15-year firefighter.

Uh that's goes up every year just by the raises and the cost of insurance and cost of gear and equipment.

Our total calls uh I looked this up, took me a while because I'm a little challenged when it comes to technology, but when we started tracking calls electronically in 2002, um, and I don't know that 2002 was a complete year because that's when we started, so I doubt that that's a full year.

But you know, we were down into 3,000, 4,000, then it steadily increased.

Um it dropped a little bit in COVID, and then after COVID, it spiked, and we're on track.

Uh we're roughly around 9,000 calls a year.

There for the longest time we were around five.

We average five, maybe up and down a little bit.

But since after COVID, we've gone up to 9,000 uh runs a year.

Um part of that's due to the EMS crisis that's uh all across the country.

Um but our guys in in 2002 we had eight companies, now we have six, so we're doing a lot more with less that just is a breakdown of all the different types of calls.

Here's our overtime.

Uh last year we were slightly under budget for our overtime, which if Snow Mageddon wouldn't have hit, we would have been you know under by a lot more this year.

Uh right now we're in good shape with our overtime budget.

Uh I don't know what is in store for the next six or seven weeks, but uh so I think we're in good shape on our overtime.

Uh it was you know, it went up consistently there for a while, but we've we've worked hard to uh get it under control.

This is our fleet uh the Shember administration uh inherited an old fleet, and ever since and since then we started with engine comp company number six, that's a 2019, uh and then engine 13 and engine 11 tower two uh engine 12 is still a 2003 uh KME.

It's uh 23 years old, and uh according to the standard next year that should be gone, but it'll be a back line rig for us, it'll be a reserve rig.

Uh so but next September the new engine 12 should be here, and that'll go into the back line uh for a reserve rig.

Uh the reserve rig they have right now is a 1993, uh and I can't say enough about our maintenance department, our mechanics, because uh they keep everything in good shape, even the the 1993s.

The guys don't complain when they have to ride on them, which uh you know three four years ago, five years ago when they got back to the spare rigs.

They were complaining.

Why do we have to drive stuff?

Why are we still driving this thing?

So uh between uh the Shember administration and our mechanics were doing pretty well.

Um we've started a rotation because it was always the way of the city to buy five or six rigs at a time, and then you had five or six rigs that need replaced at the same time at the same time, and right now five or six rigs needed replaced.

You're looking at twenty million dollars.

Uh the prices are in there.

I mean, some of those rigs were three hundred thousand dollars.

Now the the last one we just ordered was 1.5.

Um that tower truck that we ordered in 2022 at 1.7 took three and a half years to get right now, is about 2.7 or 2.8 million dollars.

Um our dive truck, which was a 1978 used Stroman bread truck.

Uh we got that with an LSA grant, so that should last us for for a long time.

Uh we also just ordered engine eight there.

Uh that's a 2014.

We ordered that, it'll be four and a half to five years before we get it.

Um that will get us right in line to where we should be retiring our trucks in the back line, and that is also our most expensive truck to maintain.

Uh our biggest problem with any of them is emissions.

Um, and that one is was back in the first few years of uh a lot of emission changes for diesel engines and fire trucks, and uh it's uh it's a constant, so that'll be good to get that one moved in the back line, or maybe we just might get rid of it.

Um so our our fleet is doing good.

Uh like I said next year we'll be uh backlining the last of our 2003s, which is really good.

Um so hopefully we can continue that to every few years ordering a truck uh to keep that going.

Right now, nobody knows, and I honestly don't know that these trucks that we're buying now for is electronic and computerized and sensors and modules that they have that we will get 30 years out of them, no matter how hard we try.

Um so right now we're doing good, and hopefully we can continue that.

We need to stay vigilant.

I honestly expect for our maintenance division to have to hire somebody that is not necessarily a mechanic that can service the the chassis and the pump and all that stuff, but more of an electronics guy to keep up with all the computerized systems on the fire trucks.

Uh there are another slide.

That's it.

Okay.

Any questions?

Have five.

I'm happy you're getting the one that's been on back order.

You ordered that how many years ago?

The one the one that's coming in September.

Yeah.

That uh that one hasn't been too bad.

It's uh we we lucked out, and that's only gonna be two and a half years before we if if they deliver it as promised, it'll be two and a half years.

Um the tower were three years for engine 11, three and a half for the tower, and uh the last one that we just ordered, they're predicting four and a half years, but it does nothing but get longer and longer.

Um it's not that they're I mean, they all have some issues with per people, you know, trying to keep people, um but they just they can only build so many a year, and the orders are backlogged.

Um Pierce just opened up a uh a plant in I think it's Kentucky or Tennessee.

They bought an old auto plant that was shut down to start building all of their cabs.

They have two plants, one in Florida and the other in in Wisconsin because they said we had to move to get a different worker pool because they couldn't get anybody where they were at.

You know, they've already exhausted the workforce, so they had to go somewhere else to get a fresh workforce to keep up with orders.

Um but we're doing good.

Uh Pierce has been very good for us.

Um that's where we're gonna stay with.

You don't want four six rigs and four different uh types because then that's inventory and everything, just balloons when you're trying to stock parts for different manufacturers.

May I speak now?

Sure.

I just wanted to finish my thought there.

That's all her.

You talked about getting a person to deal with all the electronics on board.

Can't we get extended warranties to make sure that those things are taken care of?

How are you gonna get one person to know the intricacies of all the different trucks as far as their electronics?

Just a well, that's that's another reason why you have one brand of trucks.

You don't have a fleet that has every truck is different.

So one person would be able to handle it all.

Yes.

I mean, you you go to any of the truck garages around here, they all the one it's not that they're completely different, the basics are the same.

Each one has its own differences, but the basics, you need somebody that has the basics.

The difference in hiring somebody or getting an extended warranty on the different trucks.

You pursue that at all?

They don't extended warranties on on big trucks if they exist are extremely expensive, and uh this is new, really.

You know, I understand that's why I'm asking a question.

Yeah, this is new.

Nothing compared to the to the new ones that we just got last year, and nothing compared to the ones that are coming up because the ones that uh are on order, it's one more step.

They have to meet the new emission standards.

So there you go, you know, differences and in keeping up and stuff like that.

Uh Chief I have a question.

Do we uh can you refresh my memory?

When you assist other agencies, do we uh volunteer for that or do we have somewhat of a reimbursement?

Uh we don't get reimbursed, we reciprocate, they come and help us, we go and help them.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Uh Chief, did I did I see that you're in the calendar?

No.

Third calendar, no appearances.

Any other questions?

Thank you.

Does anyone have any discussion?

Oh, pretty easy to follow along.

All right, you can call it the president.

Meetings adjourned.

Study sessions concluded.