Good evening, everyone.

We are actually on page 60 of the budget.

And this is the original book that we originally got for then as well, right?

That's correct.

And so if you look at the budget, um, there's not a a lot of change.

And from what was um requested last year.

But I guess if you go and you look on page 61 where the salaries are the project coordinator, that was actually the burn grant, and that grant has actually finished it, expired on September 30th of 2025.

So that salary would not be part of this budget right here.

This year the community development specialist has been in the budget before.

We are looking to hire that person this year.

And if you see that the salary is at $55,000, um, when we had the preliminary meetings, but actually requested the assistant grant administrator's salary be raised to $57,000, and that was actually because the community development specialist would be coming in new.

Our assistant grant administrator person is someone who has been on a job for a year and a half.

Uh she came in actually with experience, and so to actually bring a new person in at $55,000.

I just didn't think that was fair.

So I am requesting that change later on the budget.

So if you remove the So the project coordinator, the funding for that is done after this year.

So is that to be done?

It was done on September 30th of 2025, and that was actually the brand grant, and so none of that money actually came out of the general fund.

It was a grant that we have from the Department of Justice.

But that person is still with us, right?

No, that's okay.

That's a vacant.

So the position's going to continue now, even now that the grant is over.

For the burn grant?

Or no, okay.

So the assistant grant administrator is actually a person that is in the office.

And so what I was saying is that the community development specialist, which was in the budget last year, we didn't hire that individual, but we look to hire that individual this year at a salary of $55,000.

And so our assistant grant administrator salary is listed at $55,000.

That's on our so I'm sorry.

But what which position is the burn grant?

The project coordinator.

Are we eliminating that?

That's what we need to know.

Okay.

Yes.

So that's not in the budget anymore.

No, that was part of the uh DOJ budget.

All right.

So this will be amended by the time we vote on it then to remove that $55,000?

And add and adding $2,000.

Okay.

See, it's actually in the miscellaneous frame rate first.

I'm not sure.

I know that the um DLJ grant for the burn grant is complete, so that funding's done.

So as far as the miscellaneous grant, um being listed.

Okay, we don't have any new programs or grants that you know of.

Not for DOJ.

Okay.

So it's eliminated.

Yeah, at this point.

I think there's some confusion.

I'm seeing some confusion in high screen.

That this position would potentially be into another department.

No, it's gonna stay in that department.

Well, it's not uh CEG for firm grant funds, it's gonna be from another grant.

For which, I guess for which grant was understanding this lineage.

So isn't it miscellaneous?

I don't remember which one was.

I know it's in our miscellaneous reimbursement grants.

Okay, well, can we get some clarification?

Because I'm gonna put a note in here, eliminated if no grant one bound.

Because there's no way to pay for it.

Yeah.

So I would recommend that it be kept because we have several grants right now that require not fiscal laundry and performance reporting, but actual implementation.

So we have a million dollar grant to do blend property acquisition and remediation.

There really needs a manager.

We have a $350,000 grant for in-home remediation of in-home day cares for light asbestos and radaron that needs somebody to manage it to actually get the funding out to the community.

And there is funding within the grants to pay for the position, which is more or less the same.

So even though it's in the budget for 55,000 would be covered by the grants.

There's also a million dollar grant from DOJ.

It's called encouraging innovation, and it's a model of that grant, but it requires an entire program as part of the grant.

We're one of three communities in the country that were awarded this funding.

And there's an enforcement piece, but there's also an entire promotion piece that requires facilitation, communications, focus groups, a home marketing campaign, somebody needs to be in charge of actually making that happen.

So that would be those are just some of the things.

A lot of the grants are just they're for equipment, you're gonna buy it, you're done.

All you need is fiscal or performance reporting, but there are some grants like this that actually require implementation project management.

So I also I also think that we're at a point with our budget after so many years of not so many tax increase.

I'm not particularly aggressive about trying to make a cut out of here that would um whereas we could leave this in, and if it's not something that's used in the transition, then it just builds in a surplus of next year's budget, which we're looking at increase as well.

So I I don't care to deliberate too much on this because I I think that that the bottom line of it is significant for us.

So we're not going to delete it, right?

Okay.

Is there a consensus on that?

I mean, it's it's what's presented, it has it in there, so I don't see a need in in redacting it.

I just wanted to make sure that we were clear on you know where the future funding source would possibly be coming from.

And they know where it's at, they're just gonna figure it out.

But also it's it's a vacant position, correctly.

So it's not an expense.

The job description on that, if it is kept in the budget, probably needs to be updated.

Primary law things updated next year.

And so the budget on page uh 60 is pretty much the same from last year.

I don't know, six.

You cut professional services out.

So actually, they this was the professional memberships, chamber of conference.

It was actually moved to general government.

Sorry, so the council.

Sorry, that's a smaller form.

I had to get closer to the computer for and then the other big change is under other services and charges, also moved to the same yes.

Wow, okay.

No, okay.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

We look forward to a new year of additional grant funding and all that good stuff.

Neighborhood resources is up next.

And that budget is that budget's on page 22.

So soon, right?

Yeah.

All right.

So starting with salaries.

Um we have seven full-time staff in the planning department now.

Um biggest change, obviously, is that we're we've been separated, so we are our own department.

Although I would like to note that that is still not changed by ordinance by ordinance.

So something to maybe do the beginning of the year.

Um we have a software administrator, data analyst, planning director, GIS administrator, neighborhood resource team leader, assistant planner, neighborhood resource team leader, um, coordinator should be co uh sorry.

Um the second one is coordinator, neighborhood resource team leader, assistant planner, neighborhood resource coordinator, and then the historic preservation planner.

Um I have a question.

I know that there's an increase for the GIS administrator.

I wanted to know where we were with actually seeing any of the data that they would have been collecting over the last two or three years if possible.

Have we gotten any feedback?

Have we gotten any information?

Do we have access to an online portal that we can just click on and go like we were told a couple years ago?

So in terms of data and capturing data, I think what you're referring to is like the system with CityWorks and being able to use CityWorks to integrate into GIS that has not gone live.

Um so that's not something that Aaron is working on right now because that's not live, and it um we're really unsure what's gonna happen with CityWorks at the moment.

Um Erin work most of her work right now has been with working with public works.

Um that's where she a lot of what she's doing with digitizing stormwater, um, different infrastructure.

I know she's working with um Jeff Gibbons on a new application for stover Google cameras and um tracking tracking everything through GIS.

So she if you'd like to see what she's been working on, we we have that actually documented recently.

We put together uh a portfolio of the department, and I can share that with you.

Yes, please.

If you'd like to see but in terms of dashboards and that type of thing, we haven't we haven't moved into that yet because we we internally have a lot of mapping that we've done and and things that we use to make informed decisions, but publicly we have not gone forward with the dashboards quite yet for a variety of reasons.

Um of them is that the data some of the data is not there yet.

We don't have the data to be able to report out, or that we haven't necessarily um made decisions internally of how we want to share that data as well.

Okay, if that makes sense, like we're halfway there, kinda.

So this is that would be sense of it.

There's a people up there that we have a direction yet.

Well, Aaron's Aaron is in the Aaron Penn's GIS administrator.

Not only is she for the department, but she is citywide.

So she she sits in the planning department because it is what her applications and ESRI is very much connected to planning and geo geospatially um being able to analyze different information in the planning world, but she was hired to do citywide um citywide work.

Um, so that's why she's working with public works.

She's uh she'll uh sometimes integrate with pulling data from uh the county and working with their um data center.

Um she's done she's worked with the CRIS.

I know she did she did the full mapping for the CRIS, so she's not only for the department, she really is citywide.

Yeah, no, we were around examples.

Yeah.

Um Aaron, well, I should say this position is quite specialized, and I I know that I've talked to you all about this before.

Um we would not be able to uh especially the way that she's integrated into City Hall.

It would be difficult to find somebody quickly to replace Erin.

Um I mean, I I'm not against the position.

I just wanted to know where we were with the GIS system.

I know we've constantly gotten an update here and there.

I haven't heard much since probably March or April.

We invested a lot of money in our GIS um system, so I just wanted to see if the community had access yet is more so where I was leaning.

It's more so where I was leaning.

Yeah.

Yeah, the dashboards and the public facing information is not quite there yet.

Yeah.

We have not um we have not progressed enough on that.

Well, I know this year we got a new website, so you know we're still growing pains, you know.

Any other questions with the salaries?

Your department's fully staffed, been fully staffed all year, correct?

Or how's that gone?

The um we right now the software administrator, the data analyst is not filled.

And the reason for that is when our last um the last person that was in this position left City Hall, um we were in the midst of moving through the a different phase with CityWorks and the management of that, um, which is which was under this person, the management really of that, it didn't make sense for us to hire a new person and then train them and get them integrated into CityWorks into City Hall and the workflows, and so instead um with the administration's approval, we ended up doing um working with Timmins, which is the group that CityWorks is with, uh, or th the uh third party um and hiring in house at Timmins um sort of a change management person to help us and guide us through this instead.

So that was a um a change request that was approved and signed uh I guess at the beginning of last of this year.

So eventually that position should be filled and we should have somebody looking at data and analyzing it.

Um so we've kept it in there for now until decisions are made on how things will go with CityWorks and the different applications.

It's really no very requirement, but we haven't made you one yet.

So um currently in the general administrative ordinance, right?

Gener general ordinance.

Yeah, the the department of planning was created at believe in nine uh 2019.

Um and an ordinance was then passed where the planning department um and code and code enforcement was part of the planning department.

And so yeah, so though that still exists in language and in the ordinance like that.

And everything else, um every everyone else is has been staffed and has been in the well, yeah.

Everyone else is fully staffed.

Good to know, thank you.

So um moving on to 4059 other services, which is probably the largest line other than the salaries is the largest line item that we have.

Um as you see on the board, um most of the most of the the funding here is for match grants for matches for grants.

So the first one at the top, which is 106,750.

Um we've applied in March, we applied for a map estate uh state municipal assistance plant program grant um that we have yet to heard yet to hear if uh we received the award.

We're hopeful that we have, but it's for a full rewrite um of the zoning and the subdivision and land development ordinance that we spoke about yesterday.

Uh so that's the largest match that we have.

Um and then we have the local climate action plan, which we hope possibly next year we'll be able to use maybe some a ARP tree money to fund that local climate action plan and possibly not have to use general fund um funding, or maybe you will find additional grant funding there, but we put it in as placeholder.

459 on the report only shows $8,000 in the well and maybe I put the wrong number.

No, you're not no, it says 274,750.

We'll tell you 24.

Is that wrong?

274.

22.

Okay, thanks.

Um and then we have a series of um different grants, state grants, uh Keystone, CLG grants, and DCNR grants that um are either coming directly out of the historic preservation plan or meaning that they it's been suggested that we implement certain projects or programs or um initiatives and we're looking these are matching uh matching funding streams so or matches to the funding streams.

Um so a series of grants that you see after the 50,000 are state state grants coming directly out of either the historic preservation plan or um it's a little bit premature, but um some suggestions that we've had with the consultant for the parks plan.

So um and then we have asked for $500 for historic preservation for the historic preservation month celebration, which we'd like to hold annually.

It was well well attended and well received last year, and that would be to rent the space, uh mailings, flyers, that type of thing.

A thousand dollars for start preservation community engagement, um really in need of just some some funding to be able to do the same thing, flyers, announcements.

Um, if we need to have something printed on on Canvas or whatever it may be.

Um, and the same goes for the neighborhood resource community engagement.

And I hope you all get the grant, um, the matching grants, uh, you know, when you apply.

Okay.

Nice job, thank you so much.

Thanks, Jeff.

Happy Thanksgiving if we don't see you.

Yeah, hello.

So our uh first budget is the human resource budget.

I mean, really, it's really quiet.

Sorry.

First budget is our human resource budget.

Um page is that on that is on 29.

29.

So our operating costs have stayed the same.

We have no crease increase in our operating expenses.

Um our FTEs are the same as last year.

On this slide, it's a little deceiving because we did have uh an employee who left our HR assistant, and we hadn't hired the new one yet.

And when this budget was done, they just assume that every employee will take the insurance.

Um the person we hired did not, so actually that last line is about $30,000 less than that.

So look just looks like it went way up when really it is not.

Well, you did hire someone for that yet?

We did.

She starts in December.

Cool.

Um, this is just a current snapshot of the city of Erie employees by um bargaining unit.

Um we have a total of eight hundred and five active employees with two open positions right now.

Um full-time employees 673, and we did add um just because we still work with retirees and we have 155 retirees that are still on the city's insurance.

Wait, really?

We have only two openings out of 805 positions right now.

We're doing really good right now.

That's amazing here.

Yeah, we're not gonna budget surplus, but that's uh that's yeah, we fill it.

Yeah, that's great.

So it just kind of shows the also the diversity data there is current as of today.

Any questions?

So we're not very diverse.

Shocking.

It's changed, it kind of goes up and down.

People come and go.

I mean, like probably every one of our sections is not diverse.

I realize it's all men on there, but like the police force, the fire department, the teamsters, yeah, those are all, and then the ask me, yeah, every everyone is not diverse and then in the opposite ways for your year.

Did you have most of your office staff?

Um, we had a uh little period there where we did not have until we we've just filled the position.

I mean, last year we had a lot of different departments that had a lot of vacancies, so you know I wanted to see how the year was.

We have a we have a good good group, good team.

Do we have any bargaining units that are getting ready to like go into negotiation?

We are currently negotiating the AFSME contract.

Okay.

Um hope to have that completed by the end of the year.

Tomorrow, actually, that's where I will be all day.

Okay, that sounds like a blast.

Um are there any other that are coming up for negotiation?

Um I don't I don't think so.

I don't think so.

Not next year, I think it's the year after.

Okay.

The only reason I ask is if we're getting ready to go into there's there's potential that some of this shifts, right?

So the budget will shift too as we go in to whatever the the contract negotiates.

Yes.

Um so just for us to keep that in mind.

So if they're going in tomorrow, hopefully we'll get some resolution and then we might have to shift numbers and play with numbers.

Yes, because whatever is finalized for salaries would make a difference, yes.

The firefighters and the teamsters uh expire at the end of 27, so we'll be negotiating both in 27.

Okay, nothing next year.

And the contingency uh the APSME employees are budgeted at this year's rates right now, and uh the contingency amount in in general government is part of that is to cover any increases that come through.

Okay, and you think that's an adequate amount that that's something that we had to adjust, I think two years ago for one of the like that we're in a good spot with that.

Yeah, yeah, hopefully.

I mean I I can't tell you what's gonna happen.

She doesn't know what it's gonna end up being.

She looks like she was a crystal ball.

We don't want to say that right now either, anyway.

They don't have like a cards like that.

At least we don't have to worry about the fire and the police.

I mean, yeah, the fire and the fire's done.

Police is not free.

You said what's for 27 fire expires in 27, and so does team teamers.

So we got a couple years.

It's in the um management page three.

Uh civil service.

Okay.

Next up, civil service.

Small budget, primarily.

There's there's no salaries or anything, and it is dedicated to expenses related to hiring of police and fire.

Um, we did have a fire test this year.

Um, we were able to increase the application fees from 50 to 80 dollars.

About close to 11,000 of that 28,000 was covered by the application fees.

So that's good.

That's real good.

And then next year we're looking at possibly um maybe 10 police and six fire, but you know, depending on um retirements.

That's a fairly simple budget.

Any questions?

No, we thank you for your service.

All right.

Risk management.

Thanks.

The risk manager had a family emergency this morning, so she is unable to make it tonight.

We are going to try to discuss the risk budget with the help of Lisa.

Obviously, very large budget.

Yep.

All right, from a structural perspective, the risk is broken down to three parts.

Workers comp is this close enough?

Is it good?

Yeah.

All right, workers' comp property and liability and employee health plans.

Each of these three parts have to be reimbursed 100% and by the general funds and other funds that it's servicing.

So the workers' comp each in the employee calculations, each employee is coded at there's there's different codes for each union.

You know, the higher risk employees pay a higher rate of workers' comp.

And uh those those are calculated and applied to each employee, each department by number of employees.

Um the property and liability, um all the items that are up on here.

You've got uh general liability insurance, all over property insurance, insurance on public officials and police, and uh liquor license and uh professional liability for police uh claims, auto insurance, cyber insurance, and uh public entity employee benefit liability, all that funny stuff.

Yeah.

Could you explain just the liquor insurance?

What is what's the golf course?

Okay, the one golf course has the liquor license.

Okay, so it's a small policy for that.

Gotcha.

That's what okay.

Is it our after party?

I don't know.

And the uh the the claims that that occur within the uh property and liability.

Um I I think you might remember last year we had to appropriate more fund balance.

It covers lawsuits um uh against employees or against the city, damage done to people's mailboxes, damage done to our vehicles a couple years ago it covered the three trucks that um were burned.

Yeah, um, just uh uh any any sort of claims now.

Some of those get reimbursed and some of them don't.

I mean, we when we can we try to um take it to court and get reimbursed or um file claims with the insurance, the um other parties insurance companies, but yeah, sometimes that stuff comes through within the current year, and sometimes it comes takes two or three years to come through.

So we we're just basing that on the last couple of years and do we have data tracking just the the claims, like how many claims versus last year versus how many lawsuits this like versus last year or just a trend?

Not necessarily what has come through or the permits, but just like are we seeing an increase decrease?

Is it staying the same?

I don't think there's a graph.

I don't know.

We don't really we haven't looked at it that way.

We we kind of look at what's in the um pipeline and just try to make our um estimates based on that because we know what has been what's outstanding and what hasn't come through yet, and we have a meeting with the insurance broker, and they go through all the um outstanding claims with us in October usually.

Okay, so that gives us a little assistance in trying to to figure out the next year's budget.

Is that what this one is?

Almost kind of a little bit, just what we're projecting.

Well, um, this is all the different components of your um property and liability insurance budget, and what percentage they make out uh of the total amount.

And the biggest is the green, which is the employee health, yeah, obviously.

Makes sense.

Yeah.

Do you want to talk about employee health?

Sure.

That's something I'm pretty passionate about because I know there's opportunity out there for us to do a better job with that and to not have to pay as many claims as we've been paying.

But in order for us to get through that, it's it'd be a project and it's an educational project.

Um there's something, you know, there's things that can be done to make it a win-win for the city and for the employee.

Um, but we just need to take the time and we need to educate people on what those things are.

And um again, it's not a knee-jerk reaction, it's something we've been looking at for years, but we gotta have cooperation from the unions.

And I'm not saying we don't have a cooperation, I don't think it's been introduced yet.

So I'm looking forward to hopefully this year taking some time to educate them on how we could improve.

Um there may be some some changes, but uh it doesn't necessarily have to mean that's gonna be more expensive for them as an individual.

Right.

So um, and our broker's been very good about uh keeping on this and and helping us to understand it.

And again, there are things that can be done, and hopefully um we will get approval to to do it as a project and involve the unions to make some change, right?

Do we have to keep it close to the chest on what those things are to be done?

Well, I don't want to negotiate until after contracts are out.

Yes, okay, okay.

Yeah, they would it would be we could we don't have to necessarily wait until we're negotiating contracts.

I think um because we don't we don't have any coming up next year, so I think next year would be a good time to take a look at this, get a team together, um, bring in the broker, uh Eric Consiglio from uh Lacel Shop is very very good about explaining all this.

He brings it down to my level, and it's been um it's been interesting, and it's something I think we we should do, and I hope the the administration will take a look at that and allow us to take that forward and and then and try and get them to understand it and to work with us on it.

Well, hopefully with the new year and with not having contracts to negotiate, we can put some focus behind this because as somebody who's had the city's insurance every year that I've had it, it's gone up.

So as a young person, and I'm only one person, I don't know how people who have husbands or wives to add and then children to add to cover to the coverage, how expensive that gets.

So anything to help people save on health care costs, I'm in favor of.

So I look forward to it.

We also did something and no, you're good.

Yeah, we did something in 2023 with the pharmacy.

The pharmacy is very expensive, and we moved to um true RX, and we are getting rebates on that.

I had the numbers here somewhere.

Um here we are.

So since we implemented this in 2023, to date, we've had 1.2 million dollars in rebates.

So that's a good thing.

Yeah, and um, but we did have one group that we moved everybody over one group, moved back off of it, and we'd like to try and encourage them to maybe understand it a little better and move back.

I think it's an education thing.

Everybody just sometimes they're missing the information and they feel like they're forced into something, so they don't like the idea.

There was a little bit of pain because you know, you had to, you might have had a um what do you call that the pre um a prior off in place and move to the new the the old pharmacy benefit manager would not give the new the prior ops to the new one, so we had to go and get them all over again, and everybody was like, Oh, I gotta talk to my doctor, I gotta get another prior off, and so that was a little bit of a pain.

But interestingly enough, when the group moved back onto Express scripts, Truar X said, here you go, here's your prior office.

So they're a really good company to work with, and hopefully we can look at that again.

Yeah, and I foresee this being an area when we get into the health um just just of what the federal predictions are gonna be that this is gonna continue to be a huge pain point, and I don't foresee the trend going down.

I see it going in another direction, at least for the next few years.

Um and so this this is an area I'm very worried about.

And I don't know that this is gonna be a huge hit for I mean we're not gonna be the only employer that's gonna be dealing with this, but uh it's gonna be a huge hit.

It's a national trend.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, in our heads a little bit bigger because we've got really um substantial insurance.

Yeah, and we are self-insured, so we pay claims, right?

So uh part of it is trying to move some of the claims off the city, but still make it palatable for the employee.

Like I said, it's a conversation I look forward to, so I'm in favor of anything we can do to help alleviate the cost on our employees.

So if we have to do a little homework, then we do a homework.

So okay.

Now we put this budget together before we had all the final um numbers.

Numbers.

So you're absolutely correct.

That would be much higher than what is cheaper.

Right.

That's where I get I think that's just where I get worried is in one of the many offsets we've had to maybe I know we're increasing salaries, but one of the draws has always been the insurance plan, and this is gonna just I think make it exponentially hard.

I'm glad we see the number of two openings, like right.

That's where we are.

But I mean, I I think that this we're gonna just like the county and the school district, we're gonna see we're gonna see a battle here with the next few years.

Um so there's gonna have to be a I think us as a council that just being aware of there's gonna be some dances that we have to do to make sure we're keeping people and because this is gonna become very hard, very hard for our community.

So I hear you is what I'm saying.

Okay.

Any other questions?

Yeah, I think that's it.

Okay, on the uh on the good side, we did uh manage during our new um one of our our stop loss was going to go up 60 percent, and we worked with the broker, and um he managed to find another company to switch us to.

Uh and we're only we're going up what 28 percent.

Yeah, instead of so we managed to save save some money on that.

I didn't hear the beginning part of the stop blocks, the stop loss.

Stop loss is people that we pay claims up to a certain dollar amount, I think it was 210,000.

We changed we now increase that to 250,000, move to another stop loss carrier, and um isolated out a couple of claims.

We had to do that.

Uh so instead of a 60% increase, like Lisa said, it's a 28% increase.

And that's also gonna have a positive effect on future years because the base amount that's going to be increased is lower.

So we appreciate you all doing your due diligence to try to save a little bit of money.

Questions that I so when we are when we're looking at these numbers right now, this includes um this includes the zoo, this includes the current the current stuff that we have, and this includes Miller Brother property moving forward.

Yes.

I don't know about literalizability from Miller Brothers.

Yes, yeah, okay.

Yeah.

And if if um depending on what happens, so those numbers could all shift together soon.

There too.

Okay.

And I I think the zoo's about um $70,000 worth of insurance a year.

I think they're right.

Thank you.

So if we transfer that off, we'll save that.

All right, terrific.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

We appreciate all your hard work.

Last on the agenda for today, we've got general fund revenues.

What page is that that is first?

Thank you.

Page uh 13 and 14.

Okay, so you'll uh see the graphs that Melissa put up.

Our budget is 78% taxes.

That includes income tax LST and property taxes.

And uh yeah, 14% in grants and reimbursements, and the the other 8% are all the other things, like most of what's on this page, these two pages.

So um the taxes are in the first section.

We've got real estate taxes, um, and we we use the um oh my god, I just lost the the the tax values, the assessment from June 30th, and we used the new millage rate and calculated out what the revenue would be and took 91% of it because we collect about 91% by the end of the year.

Um some of that comes back the next year online to uh right real estate taxes prior.

And uh the several of these taxes, the income tax, non-resident income taxes, and LST.

And uh there's something else.

The special levy for the pension, that all comes from Birkheimer, and that comes from uh people's paychecks.

And uh I used um Birkheimer's really good at helping us with our projections for the next year.

So um they gave us their estimates and we looked at that in conjunction with our uh current year and past several years experience, and uh that's where these numbers came from.

When it comes with uh 3150, seeing the number like what we've collected so far.

Do are we expecting one more round of or a boost to come back in through there, like just to fill us out through the rest of the year?

Do you said 3150?

3150, the income tax of the non-resident.

Oh yeah, um, I mean, we've this uh second column from the right is where we're at currently.

And um though the income taxes come in every quarter.

Now the property taxes we're pretty much almost at where we're um going to end for the year.

We don't get a lot in November and December.

You know, maybe a couple of million.

But uh so yeah, we we'll probably um hit our budget, but we're not gonna go very much above it.

Uh but for the income taxes, we'll get a full quarter's worth of.

I mean, October was a um end.

Right.

The the October 31st would be the deadline for paying the um third quarter taxes, and then uh the fourth quarter ends up in uh the next fiscal year.

But um we there's always stragglers coming in, there's always revenues that there's revenues um income tax revenues that get billed every month, and there's other ones that um pay by the quarter, so um we all we that's a consistent revenue stream.

Thank you.

Uh the amusement tax.

We just looked at where we're at right now, where we expect to be, and uh talked to Mr.

Rocco a little bit and came up with uh 370,000 for next year.

Um the licenses and permits.

We talked to um some of these are code enforcement and some of them are engineering.

And uh we we discussed where we're at.

Some of these are down from prior years, and uh some of them are coming up.

Yeah, I see the child care facilities down quite a bit previous years.

Yeah.

That's kind of alarming considering how many fires we have.

Yeah, it's something we're gonna have to look at.

Um let's see, amusement licenses.

You see, we haven't collected any revenue as of October.

Um we collected 36,000 um in October and the first part of November.

And uh we're we're not sure what's going to happen here with the state and whether the state's going to end up collecting these taxes.

Supreme Court hearing today about it.

Do you know how it came out?

Just listened to a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a yeah.

So um, yeah, we decided knock that back a little bit.

Again, conversation with uh Dave Rocco.

Could you help me better understand that one?

The amusement licenses.

It's just skill game registration, gotcha.

Games and chance.

But in the meantime, they're trying to determine whether school games are actually gambling or not based on the definitions outside the PA Supreme Court literally today.

Okay.

And if that happens, then this they'll just stop existing.

Not entirely, but in theory.

Yeah, okay.

So then we can't get any revenue off of them.

Okay.

Uh let's see, the plumbing inspections is uh higher than last year, and we project it to be higher next year because of the um lead pipe replacements that are going up.

Um the license and permits is um pretty pretty stable.

I see there was a bit of a jump for the uh rental licenses, and I wonder if that had anything to do with uh code enforcement officer that was specific for renter units that did that did raise that.

Okay, because I know that that's position's still currently open, correct?

That's someone I I know I had a conversation where it's it's filled.

Okay, all right, cool.

Yes, I was looking at the humans.

Good.

I like to hear that.

Okay.

Uh cable TV franchise is just gonna keep dropping.

I mean there's fewer and fewer people paying for cable.

I mean, right now all the streaming, uh the streaming is the way to go, even the available sports NFL teams are uh on the streaming sources right now.

Like you get special Monday night games on this and Thursday night games over here, and it's a dying.

Thursday games, come on.

Hurry up.

Yeah.

Okay.

So Thursday night.

I do have a question just around um if if and this I guess is is open for whoever would like to answer.

Have we seen the any an increase in licensing requests with Lurta and Chris?

Are we expecting some of these to kind of go?

I know we were seeing a little projections here, but where are we kind of at with what we were seeing just with alert and stuff passing?

That's a very specific question for you, and I understand if we're well, nothing that I could connect specifically to Florida or Grizz.

Um that makes me sad.

Okay.

I'm hoping we I'm hoping that that's the data shows that we start to see some of those go up because those are the tools that are there for that.

I mean the cruise stuff, they just wouldn't have it yet.

Yeah, it's too too early.

And LERTA has been in place for six years now.

So we haven't seen any changes in trends there, I would think.

Just consistency.

All right, uh, let's see, the zoning fees, um yeah, nothing nothing unexpected there.

We're just kind of going with the this year's budget.

Uh don't expect it to change.

Um the fines, uh, let's see, the parking fines are dropping.

And um just from talking to people, I suspect that it's because of the fact that there are no meters on State Street anymore, and we they're getting more people signing up for the app.

More people are paying.

So it's a learning thing.

It's growing pains piece sometimes when you introduce new technology, it's a little hard to figure it out.

And and we did download the activity and the number of tickets and projected out based on you know um how many tickets we usually write these months and prior years and all that.

So it's a scientific uh projection.

And it's dropping.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I mean, I would have to know.

I I don't I don't know how much revenue is increasing on uh meters because that's a parking authority thing, but I I'm suspecting that.

Last conversations I had had with with Mr.

Friday were very just emulated what you just what you just shared.

Is we do receive some some complaints, but they're actually seeing more people paying with the app.

Um so yeah.

I know there was a request for more of the installations uh where people can go to the different machines, but the costs of the machines was was so outrageous that it would offset any savings and actually make the prices per hour go up pretty astronomical.

Um he was advocating against that and keeping everything still on on the app because it it saved U residents quite a bit of money to not do that.

Tangent, sorry.

Okay, so the the miscellaneous section um interest it we're gonna go surpass our budget this year, but I it it's dropping, and we expect it to drop a what a couple more times, right, Chuck?

No, no.

Uh well back in August, uh October, didn't we?

I don't know.

Might not be cutting interest rates as fast as we were thinking.

Well, that'd be a good thing, so we're under budgeted if that happens.

Um the grants and reimbursements.

We um changed we made a change to the way we presented the budget last year.

We put we had these in two separate sections, and we decided to combine them.

And the grants and reimbursements consist of like these top uh five or six are uh I I can't say random because we know they're out there, but we don't get them every year.

Uh um, but you know, we know what we're going to expect next year, so the federal and state operating grants, and some of these we we get every year.

Um the state aid, that would be uh 3358 account number.

Uh that has been increasing every year.

And uh this year we got six million, so um we we budgeted to keep that level because um we we had heard that it might start dropping, you know, that it that they they don't know if it's gonna stay at that level.

So uh we decided to keep this level next year.

Um let's see the the two that are making up the most of this reimbursement revenue are the uh central service reimbursement that's from coming from the other funds to help pay for administrative costs and to help pay for this building and the computer systems and everything that the general fund budget pays for.

And uh we've got um the municipal garage reimbursement.

There's a there's a uh page in the uh council book that'll show you what those look like and uh uh the ARP reimbursement 367.

Can do you have a slide?

No.

Oh, the ARP reimbursement, page 10 in your council book.

If you want to look at uh what the uh ARP reimbursement is the ARP is um well, 2.5 million of that is the police officers, and um well, this is their budget.

We actually take this down by other grant revenue that's coming in from other um sources, the cops grant and uh can't remember the name of the other grant.

Shout it out if you know it.

The VIP VIP grant.

So those two are reducing the amount of um ARP we need for the police officers.

Um this next section uh administrative, the grant administrator, um part of my salary, and um the grant accountants full salary are coming out of this, are getting reimbursed by ARP, and also the GIS administrator and data analyst in the uh planning department.

So all of those things uh add up, and like I said, we subtract any sort of funding that's coming from the oh, it's right here.

P C C D VIP and COPS grants.

It's it's the amount down here in yellow.

That's the amount of money that we're getting from other grants that helps this ARP revenue last longer.

Another reimbursement is the uh C D B G reimbursement, and that is on page 11.

So if you want to stay in the uh council book.

So I don't know.

I don't have you got lost.

No, I'm missing you can't find page 10.

Oh, okay.

Like it literally goes from eight, and then I get a blank page.

See a blank page, and then another blank page somewhere right here.

General funds.

Oh, here comes Melissa.

Thank you.

Okay, thank you.

in the uh council book so I don't know I don't have you got lost no I'm missing you can't find page 10 oh okay like it literally goes from eight and then I get a blank page blank page and then another blank page somewhere right here general funds oh here comes Melissa thank you okay thank you okay so page 11 shows you the uh all the reimbursements that are coming in from uh grant revenue we've got uh development services and uh development services is paying for the director and the fiscal accountant that you know handles the loans and we've got um administrative reimbursement for uh the project coordinator and the PALS coordinator so that adds up to 3789 and that's the miscellaneous uh reimbursements that are that you see on uh on the general fund revenue page and the bottom part of that is the DECD reimbursements and we're getting 94000 from DECD for that's for that staff um so like I said that's our second biggest uh revenue component and that part's been confirmed with the most recent budget pass like we're we're absolutely getting that money uh that money is based on the salary information that's attached to the DECD uh budget so if they don't hire those people we won't get reimbursed for them you know like if the that position that's not filled but I mean like so we know that's how much money's coming in from DCED.

It's based on actual hours worked so if last year Sherry Warren only did 75% on C B G you know we're only gonna get 75% but it's based on hours worked okay so it's like a now the um development people are the that's pretty much guaranteed but the C D BGs on a percentage.

Okay.

But like I said if we don't hire those people we won't pay right we won't pay for them and we won't get reimbursed for them.

My worry is just how just where we are again looking at the federal projections of 14% being in grant reimbursement I know we're getting re these are reimbursements I I worry about what what it looks like as we move into this this next year just with a lot of these positions because there's there's just gonna be so many going to be a lot of moving parts and as we start to tackle this balance or this budget again the grant reimbursement is going to probably be be very different just if the federal climate stays where the federal climate is stayed and so as we're looking at the positions and we're taking all this into account just booking it for us.

Yeah the uh the ARP reimbursement will that that money is within the city budget already so uh we we will be reimbursing out of a fund that would that that we've already brought in so that money's already available um I don't the HUD is already approved so I don't see that going away that's on a different calendar year so they're on a principal calendar they go from July to June so we for sure have through June 2026 and in January they're gonna have to start you know uh doing all that processes to get that money settled thank you any other questions on the uh general fund revenues I just wanted to mention um the sewer fund we we did the revenues for that but we still haven't gotten the final data on that so there could be if if there's anything egregious there we might need to make a couple of changes but uh we're still waiting for the actual data to come through and this happens every year with the risk and the sewer so um let's see liquid fuels revenue page 85 that um comes from a state calculation and we you know that that those numbers were released so the liquid fuels number is is the number that that we will be getting next year um capital improvements we'll be dealing with that um in the Wednesday meeting and we already discussed risk revenue and uh all the others so I think that's it questions no sounds like we're good yeah we're good good thank you thank you did a great job we appreciate you making it easy to follow along and explaining anything that you well needed to be explained

Questions?

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Yep, we're good, we're good, good.

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