Good evening.

Wait.

No.

Good evening.

I'd like to call to order this meeting of the Force Grove City Council.

A little bit late at 7 08.

Will our city recorder please call roll?

Councilor Gustafson?

Here.

Counselor Shimon?

Here.

Councillor Martinez.

Here.

Counselor Marshall?

Here.

Counselor Falconer.

Here.

Mayor Wenzel.

Here.

Force Grove City Council meetings are located on the land of the Twalton Calapuas, who call themselves the Athalati.

They are now part of the Confederate tribes of Grand Ron.

Will the audience and the council please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, but liberty and justice for all.

Hello.

I just like a magician.

Now I'm down here.

And I think I'm really funny.

Okay, I'm here for the proclamation of Arts and Humanities Month.

Whereas for over two decades, the month of October has been recognized across the country as National Arts and Humanities Month.

A collective recognition of the importance of culture in America.

And whereas the purpose of National Arts and Humanities Month is to increase and support equitable access to and greater participation in the arts and to raise awareness of the positive impact the arts and humanities have in our communities and lives.

And whereas the arts and humanities embodies much of accumulated wisdom, intellect, and imagination of humankind, and play a crucial role in promoting individual well-being, connecting cultures, highlighting inequities, and making communities stronger.

And whereas the arts and humanities represent the freedom of expression that empowers Americans to speak and think independently and creatively.

And whereas our artists, librarians, scholars, and museum professionals are vital to the prosperity of our society, serving to preserve historical memory, nurture empathy, provoke thought, and help us all imagine a better future.

Now, therefore, the city council of the city of Forest Grove does hereby proclaim October 2025 as Arts and Humanities Month in Force Grove, Oregon, and calls upon the people to join their f their fellow citizens across the United States in recognizing and participating in this special observance.

Thank you.

Okay.

Now we're going to move on to item B on our agenda.

Item B is public comment.

Time provided for anyone wishing to speak to the city council on an item not on the agenda or on the agenda, but not scheduled for a public hearing.

Comments are limited to two minutes unless additional time is granted by the presiding officer.

The public comment period shall not exceed 30 minutes unless a majority of counselors present vote to extend the time.

Zoom attendees may use the raise hand option to be called upon.

Okay, our first and only person signed up for public comment is Mr.

Dale Feek.

Hello, Mr.

Feek.

Hello, Mayor Winsel.

And Counselors, I'm Dale Feek.

Since I'm the only one here, may I have three minutes?

Presiding officers are into the two.

You may.

Thank you.

Ray already gave you three minutes, too.

Look at that.

She knew.

Oh.

I just finished the reading the book by Robert Reich coming up short.

A memo memoir of America.

My America.

And the final battle, he says, and I'm just gonna read a few things.

Before the 2024 election, Reich spoke, or I spoke with a young conservative who admitted that Trump was an odious thug.

But it argued that America and the world have become such a mess that we need such a person as president.

Think of Putin, she, Kim, Kamane, Netanahu.

They're all odious thugs, he said.

We need our own odious thug to stand up to them.

Rice said that direct confirmation could lead to more bloodshed.

Even nuclear war.

The young conservative continued.

We need an odious thug to shake up Washington.

Stir up all the ossified bureaucracies now destroying America.

Do all the things no one has had the guts to do.

He said a different word, but I use guts.

Wrench winced.

Reich winced.

The young conservative charged.

We need someone to take control.

As soon as he uttered those last words, he and Reich both knew the conversation was over.

He had spilled the beans.

He was impatient with the messiness and the slowness of democracy.

He wanted a dictator.

Then on the next page in the bottom.

Reich talks about authoritarianism isn't adequate to describe what Trump wants for America.

Fascism would be more appropriate.

Fascism stands for coherent set of ideas different from and more dangerous than authoritarianism.

To fight them, it's necessary to know what they are and how they fit together.

Then he goes on to quote some experts about the difference between or the fine elements and the difference to distinguish fascism from on authoritarianism, and they're very distinct distinguishable.

And that's why he declares Trump and his regime is become are becoming fascist, not just authoritarianism.

Authoritarian type government.

Now I say this to you knowing that the decisions you make are to operate the city.

But it's also important to have a look at the bigger picture.

This is the bigger picture.

I hope you'll buy the book and read it.

It's a great book.

Coming up short, memoir by My America, Robert V.

Reich.

Thank you, Mr.

Fake.

Is there anyone else in the audience who would like to give public comment?

Okay, I see Jill Ruhis like to give public comment on Zoom.

Jill, can you hear me?

I can.

Can you hear me?

Yes, we can.

Whenever you're ready, go ahead.

Thank you so much, and thank you for the time, Mayor Wenzel and Council members.

I listened via Zoom to the work session with Parks and Rec earlier prior to the um city council meeting beginning, and I had a couple of responses and thoughts that I just wanted to share with the council as you all continue to think and process this uh proposal.

Um the first point is in the work that Ann presented about the amount that the swim club contributes in terms of fees collected from memberships from the swim team members as well as rentals for our swim meets.

As the treasurer of the swim club, I wanted to let you know that that uh figure was off quite significantly.

She quoted 8,800 uh excuse me, $8,645.20 cents as the total amount.

And based on my calculations for our 23-24 swim club year, our total contribution to the pool was $23,302.

That's $17,595 from memberships from all of our swimmers, took an average of 45 swimmers as it fluctuates a little bit over the year, and then an additional $3,467 from our rentals of the pool for our four yearly meets.

One is some in September, one in December, one in February, and a smaller one in June.

I think that's significant because the swim team, while it does use the lap lanes for our practices a lot in the week, we also are contributing members and are financially contributing to the aquatic center.

The second point I'd like to make is on behalf of the the baseball teams.

My son plays for Forest Grove Youth Baseball, and he had an inter-squad scrimmage on Friday.

The coaches, who are all volunteers, showed up at that field two hours early, prior to the 4:30 start time 5 30 start time of that game.

In that time, they had to drag the field to make sure that it was level and our players were safe and weren't going to be injured.

Vision wasn't occluded, and then they had to line the field, both base paths and batters box to get the field ready for this game.

None of that was included in what the parks and rec department provides for that field, which to my best understanding is mowing on Tuesdays.

But my question would be what programs?

And if those programs are similar to the programs that were provided during the summer break time of different camps, I would love to hear more about that because most of those camps, if not all, were financially out of reach for many families, especially those with multiple children, including my own.

Thank you so much for the time.

And I look forward to continue hearing what you guys continue in terms of the work of how we support our youth athletic programs.

Great.

Thank you for your public comment.

Is there anyone else on Zoom who would like to give public comment?

Seeing none, we will move on to item C on the agenda, which is the consent agenda.

Items under the consent agenda are considered routine and will be all adopted with a single motion without separate discussion.

Counselors who wish to remove an item from the consent agenda may do so prior to the motion.

Any item or items removed will be discussed and acted upon following the approval of the remaining items.

What is the wish of the council?

Second.

The consent agenda was moved by Councillor Gussen and seconded by Councillor Martinez.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

All those opposed, please say aye.

Hearing none, the consent agenda is approved by the Force Grove City Council in a vote of six to zero.

Okay, item D.

City Manager, are there any additions or deletions?

I have no additions or deletions.

Thank you, Mayor.

Thank you.

Any additions or deletions proposed by counselors.

Hearing none, we'll now move on to presentations.

Presentations, the council will hold questions until the end of each presentation.

A two-minute reminder will be given to the presenter to conclude remarks.

Our first presentation tonight is from the Washington County Sheriff's Office with an update from Sheriff Massie.

I am bringing a chair because we have arms.

Thank you.

One of the things that we talked about the last time we were here is that we would come back with some updated information about the sheriff's office specifically regarding staffing and that we would be more timely getting our 2024 annual report in your hands than we were the 2023.

Shocking, we got two of them in the same year.

So I appreciate your patience.

Look at that.

All right.

If you wouldn't mind, is it next slide or do we have control?

There we go.

Look at that.

Wherever you live, we serve you.

So what we want to do is just sort of level set where we are and where we've been, in that the Washington County Sheriff's Office provides countywide services to over 600,000 community members, and we are the primary responders for our rural urban unincorporated and our municipal contract partners.

Next slide, please.

All right.

So that annual report that we talked about, if there's anyone in the room or uh on Zoom and you would like to see the annual report that I referenced at the beginning, you can go to WCSO annual report.com or scan the QR code on the presentation.

Next.

Okay, let's talk a little bit about the jail.

Um, the last time we came, we talked about how we were sorely short staffed and as a result had three housing units closed, leaving us with about 388 beds.

We'll just provide a bit of an update on our staffing of facilities generally and what we're working on.

So staffing, we thought we might be fully staffed in 2027.

Um we are currently making that at about we'll probably be, we have about eight vacancies left, so we anticipate being fully staffed next month.

Um understanding it takes 10 months to get people on board through training, field training, and not everyone is successful.

However, we have received authorization through the Board of Commissioners to overhire so that we can compensate for that natural attrition that happens either by retirements or people not making training.

Um we are significantly better off than we even thought we could be.

In fact, today we started a pre-academy class, and in that pre-academy class, we had 15 deputies between jail and patrol.

Um these numbers are trending upward, and it's a significant difference than it was just a year or two ago.

Um, we do still have three housing units closed, but that's because our jail is undergoing critical infrastructure repairs.

We are getting a new roof, an entirely new HVAC system, hot and cold water pipes, and fire suppression systems throughout the law enforcement center and our jail.

And so we anticipate that those repairs will be done by the end of next year.

Um, we should, however, have nine of our 10 housing units open by March or so of next year, and then they'll finish the other side of the building from March until the end of the year.

Um, one of the things that we have been working on that has been helping us with our bed space is that we've been contracting with Yamhill County.

And so that's been a huge help for some of those low-level sentenced adults in custody who don't need to go back and forth to court.

So I'm going to touch a little bit on the uh interagency teams and the county wide collaboration we have.

So no single agency can provide every service community needs to stay safe.

By pulling our resources and expertise, um, we can deliver consistent professional services across the entire county.

Interagency teams ensure residents receive the same level of response and support no matter where they're at.

We have a very strong partnership with Chief Ryman and the Forest Grove Police Department are great partners.

Uh, when agencies join forces, the whole county benefit from a more reliable and effective uh public safety.

Our crisis negotiation team and tactical negotiation team expanded the ability to peacefully resolve high-risk complex incidents.

Our mental health response team, particularly valuable in supporting individuals experiencing mental health ill illness or crisis.

Teams are trained, equipped, and ready to respond countywide, mostly to the most challenging safety situation.

Community safety is paramount.

Beyond emergency responses, some of these teams contribute to prevention and preparedness.

Next slide, please.

The Sheriff's Office secured a grant funding to install a NIBAN terminal.

NIBAN is a national integrated ballistic information network.

This technology analyzes showcasings connected to shootings to specific web fire.

This provides critical leads linking crimes to together and strengthening both investigations and prosecution.

Intelligent-led policing paired with prevention and outreach ensures that we are reaching both the intimate threats and long-term risk factors.

The team's priority is prevention, intervention, and enforcement.

We have they've served 68 search warrants, 49 arrests, and seized over 282 firearms.

There's focus or removal of illegal firearms, supporting victims of violence, redirecting at-risk individuals away from criminal activity, and building trust through outreach and community engagement.

Next slide, please.

The cadets meet with Oregon search and rescue level three certification, which means they can stay at this particular environment for up to 12 hours.

There's four levels of certification.

They've responded to an average of 48 missions this year alone across Washington County, locating missing persons from children to elderly loved ones from hikers to hunters, saving lives and providing closure to families.

Searching for down aircraft and emergency beacons.

Building leadership and confidence with our cadet.

Most of our cadets go on to be future law enforcement officers, community leaders, or first respondents.

Next slide, please.

A couple of other programs managed by our search and rescue team are the Project Lifesaver and Help Me Home.

Project Lifesaver is an active tracking system that uses a radio frequency bracelet that quickly locates missing vulnerable individuals.

And the help me home is a database of photos and information accessible to Washington County law enforcement, but no active tracking.

So today in the project life saver, we have 22 uh participants, and for the help me home, it's 101 participants.

The Project Lifesaver, the initial cost is $300 for the device, and then a $75 maintenance battery replacement and equipment support.

So for startup, it would be $375 per person, and then a quarterly fee of $75.

Or the Help Me Home, it's completely free.

Again, it's just a database with just air uh information into quickly once a law enforcement officer comes in contact with someone in the help me home, they can look them up and quickly know who to contact to get them back there where they need to be safe.

The media release uh highlighted on this on the screen is a case where a missing person, missing elderly man suffering uh from mental decline and missing some critical uh medication.

He'd actually been missing two hours longer than initially reported.

Uh once we received a call, our search and rescue advisor was first unseen and activated the Project Lifesaver.

He was able to locate the individual down a 30-foot ravine where the male had suffered from serious head injury.

The search and rescue cadets and the deputies were able to uh develop a plan and get the person to medical uh safety uh that he needed.

Next slide, please.

Our remote operation operated vehicle team.

Um their mission is to enhance community and law enforcement safety through advanced drone and robotic technology.

They provide real-time intelligence, aerial surveillance, and situational awareness during critical incidents.

They reduce the risk of law enforcement officers, including K9 by searching accurate on-scation for rapid decision making.

They've already flown over 500 missions since 2024 with 25 drones in service.

They also help with crash reconstruction sites, uh tactical support for our technical negotiation team, search and rescue, and canine operations.

The drones are carried in our vehicles for uh immediate deployment.

The team is currently comprised of 11 deputies, three Beaverton officers, one Hillsboro officer, and we're always looking to expand with other Washington County agents.

All of our pilots are FAA licensed and get have to get recertified every two years.

They have ongoing professional development, at least 10 hours per month per pilot.

And they are certified across multiple drone platforms, including tactical rescue, indoor, and weather challenging missions.

They also adhere to strict Oregon and FAA regulations governing drones to ensure transparency and lawful operations while operating in the community.

Next slide, please.

This should be a short foot uh video footage of a couple of our drones in action, and we will kind of talk through it.

We all have to do this every time.

So good.

Security, so good.

Yeah.

Yeah, see how it's working.

We see it's working.

All the rule followers.

I like it.

There we go.

Very good.

There we go.

This first one is uh our drones using the thermal imaging.

Uh so obviously it's daylight here, but in a minute is gonna switch to uh the thermal imaging where we can see the individuals trying to hide in the grass forestry area here.

But this will allow us to safely track them and guide officers and deputies to their location or call them out from where they're this one.

Here's another one where we have uh two individuals running from us.

Um you will see here in the video a little bit, they'll start moving really fast.

Uh one or both of them jump on bicycles, and that's why it looks like the video is speeding up.

There it goes.

Yeah.

And again, this allows us to uh guide the officers and deputies uh where these individuals are running to uh so we can safely take them into custody flight a drone in inside uh the broken window to do the search first, and this allows for uh just reduce the risk of officers and deputies in canines before we send them inside next slide.

All right, almost done.

So looking forward.

Um the rest of this next season is focused on our public safety local option levy that will be on the ballot November 4th.

Um that does cover 16% of our budget between well, 16% of the sheriff's office budget, but it also covers the district attorney's office, community corrections, juvenile, and it does dedicate funds to the family justice center, soon to be the family peace center.

And so um our efforts are underway, and that is where I'm spending a majority of my time while we're continuing to run the operations.

And then um we do have some really beautiful leadership opportunities for our staff in that um our current under-sheriff, John Cook is going to be spending the next 10 to 11 weeks at Quantico, Virginia at the FBI National Academy.

And during that season, it is it's a really great opportunity to just demonstrate that we are lifelong learners and that our community should expect that we continue to grow and develop um throughout our career, but it will give opportunities for um Chief Deputy McCray to spend time in the under sheriff role while he's away and for a patrol commander to step into the chief deputy role to get that critical exposure to that um coaching and mentoring that we don't always get until we're in the seat, and we are gonna transition those leadership opportunities all the way down to sergeant so that people can have an opportunity to spend um you know 10 to 11 weeks in a promoted position getting coaching and mentoring with that teams to help hopefully help develop them for the future, but also to help them be stronger leaders where they are.

And so um kind of excited about what the future holds for the next few months.

That is what we have for you.

What questions can we answer?

Any questions?

Comments.

Counselor Schimmel.

Just comment.

Thanks for the service and and uh I applaud you for that kind of cross-training or succession planning.

That's great.

It's critical.

Thank you for that.

Yeah, I agree.

Um, and then I also want to say congratulations on the hiring at the jail.

That was dire situation.

You all in.

Um, and you just responded really well.

So I'm that's just the best news.

Thank you.

Yeah, it's very yeah, you've done really well in the first years.

That's great.

So thank you.

Thank you.

Well, no one else questions.

Excellent.

Well, there's no time limit.

All you have to do is email or reach out and uh we'll respond.

Okay, okay.

Sounds good.

want to say congratulations on the hiring at the jail that was dire situation you are all in um and you just responded really well so I'm that's just the best news thank you yeah it's very exciting yeah you've done really well in the first years that's great so thank you thank you no one else question excellent well there's no time limit all you have to do is email or reach out and uh we'll respond okay okay sounds good thank you have a good night thank you for coming out to the grove next up we have a our summer parks intern update and I believe that Miss Nisaya Reb is on Zoom I think it was our first day of of her June wait of her sophomore year OSU I'm my former student so I'm so excited yeah Nisaya has her hand raised we're moving you over Nisaya I think well Mariah is I'm not doing anything could I bring Cody Jeffers up here of course thank you come on up Cody so Cody was her direct supervisor uh this summer and also in past summers uh very pleased to have Nisaya with us this year and uh she did an excellent job and uh she uh approached Cody to expand her role so uh pass it along I think we'll have Cody introduce you Nisaya and then we'll pass it to you yes I'll keep this brief um I'm just here to to introduce Nisaya and she can tell you all about her experience um but thank you very much Mayor and counsel for uh having uh making the time to have uh Nasiah speak with you this evening um tonight I have the absolute pleasure of introducing Nasiaya Reb who has been with the recreation department since our very first year with Camp Grove in 2023 uh Nisaya Reb, as mayor just mentioned is a Forest Grove high school graduate and now is an Oregon State University student in her second year there who just started her first day today I believe.

Nisaya joined us this summer as our very first Parks and recreation marketing intern in collaboration with the city's uh communication team as well as parks and rec.

Uh I have been extremely pleased and impressed with her work and the impact she's had on on the parks and rec department this summer and I have the esteemed pleasure of being her mentor in that space.

And I want to thank Nisaya for her wonderfully diligent and creative work all summer long both as a marketing intern but as well as a leader for Camp Grove she doubled us both at the same time.

So thank you for allowing Nisaya to share her experience this summer uh now please join me in welcoming Nisaya Red.

Okay thank you Cody okay Nisaya we're gonna turn it over to you can you hear me okay we can hear you great thank you all right well hi I am Nisaya um as Cody said I am going into my second year at Oregon State I am majoring in both marketing and business analytics so getting to do this internship this summer was a really exciting experience for me especially since I'm so young as an intern.

So moving on uh during my internship I worked very closely with the parks and recreation leadership team and then Stephanie the communications and program manager together we all kind of focused on strengthening the forest grove's brand presence especially through consistent messaging and visual identity I managed the Parks and Recreation Facebook page I wrote several editions of the Grove Groove which is our monthly um e-newsletter the Parks and Rec department publishes I created promotional graphics and then I also produced a video that highlighted our programs and the City of Forest Grove's Parks and Rec department's values I also gathered information across various departments to ensure that the messaging that we produce on our Facebook page was aligned and easily accessible in both Facebook page and on the Grove groove.

So one of the most rewarding parts of my internship was participating in different outreach events like the farmers market and park flicks at these events I helped promote either the Forest Grove 2040 vision plan or the fall activity guide.

Connecting directly with residents was a really fun way for me to realize that I could really enjoy working in a community setting where brand strategy isn't just about visibility but it's about like building trust and inclusion and coming together for a shared purpose.

Another amazing part of my experience was creating the promotional video I met with the parks and rec leadership staff and we discussed the direction of the video and the content I should include and then from there I gathered film at Camp Grove pickleball league park flicks pool events and any other sorry and any other activities and then I edited those clips and produced a video that sh shows who Forest Grove Parks and Rec is and some of our programs at this point I would love to invite Mariah to start the video I created um this showcases what I am most proud of in the work that I did at the Parks and Rec department this summer

At this point, I would love to invite Mariah to start the video I created.

This showcases what I am most proud of in the work that I did at the Parks and Rec department this summer.

Can you try to download the video to the and then does that?

This is exactly what teaching's like.

Do any counselors have questions for Nasia?

Oh, maybe.

Sorry, Nasaya, hang on.

She does not have access to it because it's on City Drives.

Yeah, I think you downloaded and play it.

Yeah, play it from the desktop.

Right there, right there.

Oh, don't use me up there.

Link my okay.

Oh my goodness.

Is there any way to share it with council or we can play it next meeting or we are Forest Grove Parks and Recreation.

Your space to connect.

Play and thrive.

We are listeners.

Like every man.

Play and thrive.

We are listeners, planners, and builders.

Creating spaces where everyone can participate and find what I'm saying.

I'm so sorry, Nisaya.

I don't know.

We're gonna keep trying whatever what's our plan.

Just so you know, this video doesn't stop here, of course.

This will be featured on our website, on our social media.

It will be shared around amongst you guys in the community.

So this isn't the only place it'll ever be featured.

So did you have more to present or are you ready for questions?

If this doesn't work, I'm ready for questions.

Um, participate and find the lobby.

We are stewards of your parks and facilities.

Okay.

Let's just let's go back to so any questions for Nisaya.

I mean, of course I do because go ahead, Counselor Schimmel.

Oh you how are you improve technologies?

I don't know if I have very much to do with that area.

That's okay.

Um so Nisaya, it's my understanding that you approached city staff and asked them like about this idea of interning and marketing and so how caring for the spaces that bring our community together.

We are what do you what are um as the city's building this recreation program, what do you think are the next steps the city should take um to continue elevating it?

I think it could be really cool to incorporate kind of like an fully functioning internship program where somebody is coming in every summer to kind of do what I did in maybe a more s upscaled way.

Uh maybe it is learning how to use the website and then helping better the website, not just for the parks and recreation department, but for the rest of Forest Grove um functions.

I know I talked a lot with Cody during my exit interview about potentially talking with communications and seeing if in that role there could be somebody who helps with citywide communication rather than just I feel like I took over all of parks and rec communication, but maybe adding another role right there could be something that's also very helpful for the city.

Great.

Thanks.

Well, I'm like super duper proud of you, and I love seeing you come back to the city and I hope you have a great sophomore year at college.

And I hope you come back and help the city some more.

Any other questions or okay.

Well, thank you, Nisaya.

Take care.

Thank you so much.

You too.

Okay.

Thank you, Cody.

Thank you, Ann.

Our next what is Ann, are you staying up here?

Yes, because Miguel from Place is coming up with an update from the East Side Park, another fan favorite.

I feel like this these are great.

Who did the presentation lineup this meeting?

Oh wait, we worked on that together.

This is a great lineup.

Great lineup.

Okay, go ahead, sorry.

So while Mariah gets that set up, I'd like to formally introduce you to Miguel Camacho Cerna from Place.

We've been working with Place um on a number of projects.

And uh tonight's presentation is uh update from East Side Park.

The last time we were here with you was September the 9th of last year.

So uh it's been a year.

Thank you, Ann.

And big shout out to the intern.

That was a great really great messiah.

And I I was also an intern when I was in college in the city where I grew up.

So it's it's kind of fun that to see that echoing.

So it's great to be in front of the council once again, uh following up on some updates for the east side park.

As as a quick just refresher, um we did go through uh a process for selecting the site, and last year we did community engagement.

Um you can go to the next one.

And through that community engagement at the site, um we presented some schemes, and there was a lot of great feedback from the community in terms of the programming, the types of play structures and uh elements for the park.

Um and we narrowed it down to uh if you can go to the next one.

Yeah, that we narrowed it down to the to a selected uh scheme.

The last time that we were in front of you, there was still kind of like two options that we were able to combine into one.

And so this this design updated design incorporates the two elements, the the two main elements of the of the two of the two options.

Um the park is a half acre lot on uh 19th Avenue.

It used to be a uh residential lot, and it's flanked by apartments on all three sides uh and with private residences and on the across the street.

And it's it's basically um some of the things that we've uh done in the last year, it's just uh confirm some assumptions from the site.

We got a site survey.

Um there was also uh an arborist assessment for some of the existing trees, and uh some of those trees uh need to be removed because they were not in good in good health.

And then last winter also we had uh there was a tree at the center of the site that the wind uh windstorm knocked it down.

And so it's a little bit more of a uh blank slate in terms in terms of what what we can do with the the park.

But we maintained the concept of the of the park throughout with a big focus on uh universal access and also the responses to the to the to the types of play that the community asks for monkey bars, lights, swings, spinners, things like that, but also the opportunity to use uh natural elements for natural play.

There is an existing willow that is very unique in the park that is kind of fallen, but then it kept going, and it creates a really nice, interesting uh outdoor room, if you will, uh, throughout the year.

And yeah, so we're we're very excited.

The the the way that the park and the the different elements have evolved.

Um the other elements of the park are some picnic tables and concrete seat benches, seed walls for the caregivers.

Um we've also been working again with Ross recreation equipment to give a little bit more definition to the play structure, and again, it's a combination of different skills and different uh climbers and and monkey bars and things like that.

The colors are still uh work in progress.

We'll we'll refine that as we as we continue with the procurement process and uh and the submittals during during construction.

And there's also a an emphasis on bringing natural elements uh into this neighborhood park.

Um some of those can be expressed in an artistic fence that's gonna be on the front side, and then we simplified the approach of just letting we have a very simple um fence, uh chin link fence with slats on the three sides behind it.

Um there is a collection of pre-existing fences and different conditions that there are different conditions um of repair.

So this kind of gives us a nice clean um edge to to have at the perimeter of the park.

And the planting uh again is is trying to celebrate a lot of the nature and the local character of the vegetation here in the Willamette Valley and then uh opportunities for nature, nature uh play and and interesting uh seasonal changes and things like that.

And we're also working with uh a local artist that is gonna produce a bench that's gonna be part of the design.

But then in addition to that, we're looking for other opportunities uh on the on the perimeter fence, and perhaps maybe another like in the concrete uh paving, maybe we can incorporate some natural inspiration of uh flowers or plants or fauna from from the region.

And you know, it's it's uh it's a very straightforward project.

changes and things like that and we're also working with uh a local artist that is gonna produce a bench that's gonna be part of the design but then in addition to that we're looking for other opportunities uh on the on the perimeter fence and perhaps maybe another like in the concrete uh paving maybe we can incorporate some natural inspiration of uh flowers or plants or or fauna from from the region and you know it's it's a it's a very straightforward project it's a small small lot but we feel like it can add so much to the to the neighborhood we don't see this as a big destination park it's it's a very practical and and and the goal of this park is really to feel the needs for recreation on the east side of the city and so we're looking forward to submitting to this uh the project for permitting and then closely follow that by the bidding process and get going early next year to get this built for the community questions yes or Annie do you have can I just add one thing and that is um you notice there's a a heavy emphasis on uh natural elements and design and things like that remembering that this is a a really urban part of town very high density um and we're trying to evoke that sense of being in nature and and making that connection for people in the community thank you counselor Feltner I have a question about um I I'm really glad to see the just building off what you just said Ann I'm really glad to see all the natural elements in in a neighborhood park like this um one one question I have though is you know with with accessing the you know the the the especially those apartment complexes um just sort of thinking about its location um and where folks will actually have to navigate through in order to get to the park I'm just kind of wondering is this fence the chain link fence in particular on sort of the three sides were there no safe opportunities to provide direct connections to those properties were the were the property owners not interested in that I'm just thinking about kiddos having to walk um you know sort of around the block to a different street you know when they're they're living you know if they're not living on 19th but they're in those apartments that are kind of behind then they'll have to walk all the way you know sort of along the highway to get to another cross street to come down into the neighborhood to get to that park.

Right so Washington County housing authority owns the apartment complex to the north um and in our design we purposely um have put the sidewalk right to the fence the concrete sidewalk right up to the fence in hopes that um as as we continue to progress through this project that um they'll be amenable to providing access directly to the apartment complex on the north uh we see a great benefit to that and exactly the same concerns that you have we want to make sure that we can get kids and families um to the to the park easily and safely um so we're we're in that process of working with Washington County to to create some sort of access route on the north side for keep kids off the street yeah thank you any other questions I don't see any questions so the timeline is out for bed start construction early next year hopefully I mean is there any way to complete it before the summer yeah that's what we're gonna try and shoot for awesome it's such a pleasure to work with you Miguel and your team at place we're just really lucky out here in the grove thank you so much thank you okay have a good night thank you thank you Ann and our last presentation this evening is from our co-parks our public arts commission chairs Dana Eatson and Emily Lux hello ladies hello spreadsheet not spreadsheet I think that Mariah had like a bunch of videos open so she just has to get to it there's no video in it.

No whenever you're ready.

Okay I'm Dana Iten I'm the chair of the public arts commission I'm Emily Lux I'm vice chair coach and this is um the list of our commissioners um no but we also just added another oh yes Mariah yeah right I was on this consent agenda yeah so congratulations okay um so our most like notable project of the last year um we were just commenting how quick this one went we did a call for art or we decided to do a mural on the bathrooms there at Lincoln Park and we thought that that um area could be enhanced and freeze up a bit um so we did a call I believe in September um and we selected Nate Marcel to uh be the artist for this mural and he painted it over the summer and it's it's up it's done it's almost got a plaque we're gonna do the celebration on October 1st there's a flight about that too.

Um and we selected Nate Marcel to be the artist for this mural, and he painted it over the summer, and it's it's up, it's done, it's almost on a plaque.

We're gonna do the celebration on October 1st.

There's a slide about that too.

You could go to the next one, Marie.

Um we really wanted something fun and colorful, and we did get a lot of really good submissions for this project.

Um this the one we chose, we just really thought it was fun and whimsical and um engaging.

So like everybody, kids and adults, and um we liked all the colors and anyways.

So on October 1st, we're having the celebration.

Um Nate's gonna give a little not a 40.

It's like, should I talk for 45 minutes?

My absolutely not.

Yeah, it was nice, it was kind of an interesting idea.

We we actually had a lengthy debate on location, and it it does seem at first, you know, at first discussion, an odd location to paint a restroom facility, but it is also a space that is a little bit more off the beaten path and accessed by a lot of people, a lot of you know, citizens of Forest Grove.

Um, and it, you know, it it's a a building that also was hit with graffiti frequently, and this is something that is not only fun and beautiful, but also mitigates some of that and spreads art to um additional population.

And a lot of young young kids, you know, go through their um, so one other thing that we do that we have been doing for a long time is mini grants and sponsorships, and these are the three that we gave this year.

So that's a $500 um to support an arts programming.

So Leah Hendrix Henrik, oh my gosh, Henderson.

Um, she's a teacher at Cornelius Elementary.

They did this mosaic project, and I wish I would have put a picture of it because um I've heard it's really beautiful.

It's in the new building.

Um, and then April Hoff with knickers and a bunch, um, just it's a female, an all-female art show.

And then Valerie with Chocolate, of course, that's um such a great event weekend.

So the rain game.

Cornelius um elementary mosaic project just was installed, I believe.

And like Dana said, there's it's coming with brave reviews.

I've seen pictures of it just on Facebook, and it's beautiful.

So if you have a chance to see it, I would definitely go look at that.

Uh the Festival of the Arts is our it was our second annual event this year.

It's a really wonderful collaboration with the city and with Adelante.

And what I love, what I particularly love about this um event is that when we think about public art, we often think of it in sort of a siloed sense of like murals and sculptures, which I personally love all of them.

But um, there are so many other art forms that we can and should make available to the community.

And this does that, this event has done that.

So um this year we had 57 free art experiences, everything was free for children and adults over four evenings.

So it was the first Wednesday of every farmer's market um May through the first Wednesday of the month, every farmer's market May through August.

And it it's music, dance, theater, literary arts, fine arts, film, craft, two-dimensional art, pretty much everything that you can think of that could be accessible by um people who sort of accidentally come upon it when they're just going to the farmers market, and people that are going there intentionally either way, that's kind of the beauty of the location is that you can accidentally see things or you can see things, you know, seek things out.

Um, and there's something for everybody.

Um fall into art.

This is something we've kind of been doing for I don't know, fourth year.

Yeah, and it kind of it started as something else.

It started as the art bazaar and it kind of transformed into this.

Um so this last November, alongside of the 97116 show, um, we did just a small market.

We had like I think eight or nine artists.

Um so they were at their own booths selling their own work.

We just one of our goals is to try to give artists exposure and you know, way to sell their art or dispose their art.

And um, so this was one of the things that we have been trying.

We're gonna change it a little bit this year, um, but it'll still be with the 97116.

Um, it'll just be fewer artists, but um yeah, and it's all local artists that do that one.

So let's see.

It'll be again this year at the um on the other side of so the 97116 is in the um main gallery at Pacific, and we have overflow and music, live music on the other side.

So it's essentially like a hallway that leads into the educational spaces, a lobby.

So we'll have artists centered there at the same time as the show.

year um but it'll still be with the 97116 um it'll just be fewer artists but um and all local artists that do that one so it'll be again this year at the um on the other side of so 97116 is in the um main gallery at Pacific and we have overflow and music live music on the other side so it's essentially like a hallway that leads into the educational spaces a lobby so we'll have artists centered there at the same time as the show um okay so we so the beautification of Main Street has been happening and um the city brought to us four locations that they have designated for our um and so we've been kind of talking about what we could possibly do with that um there's been some different ideas um a rotating gallery and um that's kind of what we're looking at doing um we have we just we're not we're just in the very beginning planning stages um but we're planning on doing that and we're we're kind of looking at like us we go's program even though theirs is like dialed in they've been doing it for a long time just as kind of a guide um so we're hoping to have three or four pieces that are on loan to us and then they'll rotate every years I think is we're gonna try to do um another idea was like to do a nice block downtown and make that an art piece in some way um yeah and that'll be funded probably partially by the TLT funds um we'll probably need additional funding for that as well but it's an exciting part because it's very um like that ideation phase where we're like what could it look like and it's a really wonderful opportunity to have something that's central in Camps and Forest Grove for so many people to be able to experience and that's just their mission.

Okay questions yeah okay go ahead counselor shimmel then I have some well these are great additions to the the city thank you for your guys' hard work on the um the the main street if you had the opportunity to talk to the the business owners at those corners just as far as the what what you imagine in in front there that might intersect with their outdoor seating or cleaning or we haven't yet it's kind of the idea I guess we like to come with an idea um and then kind of negotiate from there and make it more of an idea share instead of like what do you want to do because then it's so wide open so we're we're still in the brainstorming phase and would like to have some things that we can present to those faces.

I have a few comments questions I'll try to say um but first of all thank you so much uh you know my time on council the last 10 years it's just like this commission just is always moving forward uh you like I I love that you have yearly retreats you look at your work plan you look at city goals and um it's just amazing you know like when I go to other conferences and they're like well for I hear Forest Grove has a mural policy I'm like yeah thanks to our public arts commission.

So I just want to recognize that first of all um the other thing is I brought this up to Councilor Gus and I don't know if you guys have met since then but um you know we got the new trash cans.

Yeah and some people are like oh we don't really like them and then when I was you know I in Ashland I was visiting my friends in Ashland and they have similar trash cans and what they've done is put photos or of like the area or historic photos and since that's that downtown is historic if there's some sort of collaboration of like putting photos on those or working with historic landmarks board because I know that Neil Paulson who's on the historic landmarks board really wants to do some sort of photo thing but I don't I don't know there's just some idea of collaboration it doesn't necessarily have to be historic photos but we can definitely decorate those in a way that brings identity and art to the downtown and I think just makes it look a little bit nicer.

And then I just also the your latest goal of the four corners and the rotating art um you know thank you for aligning that with our 2040 plan because that's one of the things we heard from the community is really they wanted like place making areas and I think that that's what public art does right I think those all work together and so as we move forward um and trying to figure out those public spaces or how we can partner with you know people in you like I think that's just a really great um collaboration that we could do with you all and the local businesses.

Okay and I see counselor Falkner has her hand raised.

I just wanted to follow up I'm my um I'm the liaison for the HLB and so if you are interested in working on a trash can photo historic photo um project I planned to ask them the same question tomorrow night at our at our regular meeting um and so I'm happy to do that I was I was planning on it anyway so hopefully you all really do want to collaborate on that because I was just looking at them the this weekend and I thought yeah they could use some sprucing up I think that'd be a great collaboration it's a it's a great opportunity they're brand new services they're highly visible great thank you great thank you any other comments feedback well thank you all for joining us tonight I hope you enjoyed the portion of the meeting you attended I'll see you guys next Wednesday October 1st 4 30 okay we are now moving on oh wait a bear get my script out it's an ordinance

It's a it's a great opportunity.

They're brand new services.

They're highly visible.

Great.

Thank you.

Great.

Thank you.

Any other comments, feedback?

Well, thank you all for joining us tonight.

I hope you enjoyed the portion of the meeting you attended.

I'll see you guys next Wednesday, October 1st, 4.30.

Okay, we are now moving on.

Oh, wait, I better get my script out.

It's an ordinance.

I will now open the public hearing for the first reading of ordinance 2025-03, amending the Forest Grove Code of Ordinances to increase local transient lodging tax rate from 2.5% to 3.5%.

Do any council members have a conflict of interest to declare?

Seeing none.

I can't see Councilor Falconer, but I don't think she does.

So nope.

Okay.

Umic development coordinator Miles Gloacki will now present the staff report.

Hello.

Hello, good evening, Mayor and City Council.

I'll be brief tonight.

On September 8th of this year, Council had held a work session to discuss the TLT rate and came to consensus to adjust the rate from 2.5% to 3.5%.

The ordinance in front of you staff is brought forward tonight to do that.

And I'm available for any questions.

Okay, any questions for staff?

Seeing now, seeing none.

I will now call on persons who signed up to comment on the resolution.

Comments are limited to three minutes.

Are there anybody on I don't see anyone in the auditorium wishing to give comments?

So is there anyone on Zoom who would like to give comments on the tax rate increase?

Seeing none.

The hearing is now closed.

Okay, is there a motion to approve the first reading of ordinance 2025-03?

So moved.

Second.

Okay.

The ordinance was moved by Councilor Martinez and seconded by Councillor Schimmel.

Is there any further discussion from council?

Seeing none.

Will the city manager please read the ordinance by title only?

Ordinance 2025-03, amending Forest Grove Code of Ordinances Title 3 Administration, Chapter 34, Taxes and Fees, Section 34.26 Tax Imposed, and Section 34.38 administration, increasing the local transient lodging tax rate from 2.5% to 3.5%.

Thank you.

Will the city recorder please call the roll?

Councilor Schimmel.

Yes.

Counselor Martinez?

Yes.

Counselor Marshall?

Yes.

Counselor Gustafson.

Counselor Falconer.

Yes.

Mayor Wensell.

Yes.

The vote is six to zero.

Ordinance 2025-03 is approved by the Forest Grove City Council.

Should that be the first reading of ordinance?

Okay.

The first reading of ordinance 2025-03 is approved by the Forest Grove City Council.

Thank you very much.

We are now moving on to Council Communications.

I'm going to start with Councillor Falconer.

They gave a few updates.

I have not received it yet, but we should be receiving their strategic plan from the retreat that happened just recently.

They gave some updates on membership is up.

One exciting bit of news is that Metro Council has kicked off its own visioning work.

And Claudia will be serving on that on that committee.

So we'll have some good at least some representation in Forest Grove.

The other couple other events coming up.

There's an Eastside Merchant Halloween event that they're putting together from four to six on Halloween.

And they wanted to make sure that folks were aware of that because they thought it would be a really engaging conversation.

And then also I was able to volunteer a few hours at the Corn Roast this past weekend.

It was very well attended.

And I was very happy to be stuck on trash duty for three hours alongside of a whole bunch of swimmers from Forest Grove Swim Club.

So we put them to work.

Great.

Thank you, Counselor Felkner.

Next up, Counselor Gusison.

Okay, I just have a few things.

I was at the WCCA meeting um last week, and for the most part, they went over just kind of a report of the facilities and their technology department.

Uh reported on some repairs that were done to the facilities and some issues with water leaking onto a UPS.

So it worked out fine, so we're good.

Um I also attended um the NLC University Council meeting, and again, like the other meetings, they really were focusing on relationships between the city and the university, um, and different ideas of how um cities can link more with the universities and have some you know more of a cohesive partnership uh than separate.

One example they gave, I don't remember if I said this last time, but um basically security sharing.

So there's some overlap between uh a university security and our um police department here.

So and that's been very successful in other university cities.

Um the PAC just reported, so uh they reported everything I would have said.

Um I attended the Chalk Art Festival, which is always wonderful to attend.

It's so much fun.

Um then Oktoberfest is this weekend on Saturday from noon to seven.

So um uh it's it's so much fun.

So please attend if you guys can.

You'll you'll enjoy yourself.

And then the last one is um, and I think Jesse might bring it up at our work session, but the downtown businesses are ready for the lights to be put on the tree trunks.

So whenever um I'm assuming we need council permission for that because we're pulling from the electrical of the city and the outlets.

So um the downtown businesses are ready for that on 21st and Main, wherever you know, where the outlets were placed.

Um, and that's all I got.

Okay, great.

Thank you.

Um Counselor Marshall.

I have nothing to report.

Okay, thank you.

Counselor Martinez.

I have nothing to report as well.

Okay, counselor Shovel.

Well, CCE is prepared for the community open house October 28 at 5 30.

So mark your calendars.

Uh EDC is diving into the 2040 actions and are already beginning to do some whiteboarding or draft boarding on some concepts for for how they can uh accomplish those actions.

Um in the spirit of that, they're we're talking about moving our monthly meeting on the road.

They have been meeting in a fixed place, but instead dropping into various downtown businesses and potentially walking through the theater building to consider its conditions and explore some temporary uses before the long-term development might commence.

Uh so examples that they've expressed previously include a shared office space.

So there's I've been upstairs to know that there's some space that's uh usable uh after some cleanup.

So they might look through there to see if if that would be suitable for a space for entrepreneurials or business startups.

Um as well as looking at the the theater itself for say large group meetings or events if if it can be adequately cleaned up.

But again, you know, this is would be in advance of uh any future development if we find someone who who's willing to do um do that work.

Uh there's also thought about using the marquee for promotions, other whether it's city events or business events, uh that that marquee is you know perfectly available.

Um essentially the the idea is bring in some form of presence to the property.

Uh I find in my day job that it you know you walk to a property and it if there's an appearance of abandonment, people will treat it as as an abandoned property, and uh the our property management firm cleaned up some of the the graffiti uh on the walls so it's uh it looks a little more presentable now, but um to keep that I think it's important to make sure that we're bringing some presence or demonstrated and that there's some activity happening now or or for the future.

Uh and then I I attended a Housing Oregon conference uh uh last week.

Uh there's uh a lot of sessions that would sort of telecast our future in housing development and certainly the one on sighting uh I'm sure our city staff could relate to as they're trying to acquire real estate, you know, the some of the challenges with siting to uh prove applicable for for us.

Great, thank you, Councilor Schimmel.

Um Jesse, you're up with the city manager report.

Thank you, Mayor, members of the council.

Um so uh uh the city recently amalgamated all our grants.

I was gonna report on this last time, but I didn't get uh an opportunity.

Um but I each counselor you should have a copy of kind of lists all of the grants that we've been awarded and or have obligated.

Uh we currently have four point seven million dollars total in state and federal grants that have been obligated or awarded.

Um we're of course still working on some congressional directed spending requests for several federal projects, those are in process, and then we added up all the cities grant programs that the city gives for community grant programs, and that totaled six hundred and thirty thousand dollars on a per annum basis.

So if you have any questions about that, please let me know.

Uh over the past um three years, we've also received um approximately two million dollars in federal funding.

Uh 250,000 was from the US Department of Justice for the COPS program, um 850,000 from Congresswoman Bonamici for our TV highway safety improvements, and then Senators Wyden and Merkley with 900,000 for our city's low-income solar project.

Um the latter two of those are in process.

So um Councilor Shimmel, you already mentioned CCE, so I'll skip past that.

Uh the CEP grant application process closed on Wednesday, September 17th.

Uh the city received a total of 16 applications.

Uh currently we have a CEP committee meeting to interview the applicants and score the applications at the next meeting on October 13th.

So the public works administration building, the remodel is well underway.

That's a project where we're adding to the public works uh facility.

Um the parking lot.

If you get a chance to drive by, the parking lot is partially taken up uh and they're looking at doing some additions to the uh south end of the build uh south end of the building.

Um it's it's been a great project so far.

Uh we're looking to try and complete that by the spring of 2026.

Um pursuant to the budget, uh if you recall uh in the levy, there was uh four additional firefighters that were authorized in the levy.

One was hired um two years ago, and this year uh the remaining three firefighters were were authorized in the budget, and I'm happy to announce that those three firefighters have been hired.

So they have yet to go to training, but they've accepted final job offers.

So we'll send them down to training and they should be coming on shift when they're when their training is ended.

Um couple other things real quick.

Light and power is making great progress on their undergrounding of overhead power lines.

This is in that northwest David Hill area.

Um that's within the city limits, and some of it is actually outside of the city limits, but within the forest uh grove uh light and power service area.

That's all being done by a grant from the Oregon Department of Energy for 434,000.

Uh I would say the project is probably three-fourths complete.

Uh they're waiting on a few materials and parts, but otherwise they should get it completed prior to the 2026 fire season.

And then uh last um we were notified recently that TriMet has assumed ownership of the right-of-way for the Council Creek Regional Trail.

That's the easement that was formerly the railroad track, and then it was actually owned by the Department of Transportation, and it extends from uh the Hatfield Center in Hillsborough all the way out to Forest Grove through Cornelius.

Uh they've also uh signed a uh maintenance um and construction agreement uh with Washington County.

Um and and that's to um it's it's a long-term agreement.

I believe it's a 25-year agreement, but it designates what the trail easement would be until such time that that potentially um as TriMet would say, light light rail may go through there.

So uh just just an update on that.

With that, that's all I have.

Thank you, Mayor.

Great, thank you.

Um, so three I guess two and a half weeks ago was our first civic academy.

Uh that was spearheaded or led by our communications department.

The first meeting, um, Jesse like presented at with Stephanie, it was on budgets.

I came and gave a short little thank you for attending.

Last week they did community development.

This week I think it's gonna be police.

Um just really a shout out to all city staff working with communications and Stephanie.

I think this just like a huge um addition to engaging with community members and helping people understand how government works and then hopefully encouraging people to volunteer either on boards, commissions, run for city council, um, all of those things.

So just a really good project.

And then I wanted to circle back.

Uh I don't know exactly when maybe a month or two ago.

I asked about becoming a mayor's innovation project member, and the cost for this a city our size was 1,250.

Uh, what that gets is for city staff or council to attend both the summer and winter meetings uh free without paying registration, uh access to networks, policy experts, former mayors, technical assistance.

And so I had sent, well, I actually had city staff send out some of those things, and I was just wondering if there's any feedback from the council about that.

If anyone was interested in, did you guys look at that stuff?

You think it's I have to say I haven't.

I was out of town the last 10 days, so I did not get the opportunity.

Okay, well, I'll circle back with you at the next.

I think it's worth it.

I think the cost for a year is really reasonable.

Um so, anyways, if we could look at that group, that would be helpful.

The other thing I was wondering if you could look at is um, I guess I just want to like pitch this idea that the next step with uh typically we have a yearly retreat.

So um, and I think it looks a little different this year because we have done our 2040 vision plan.

And so now I think the next step might from looking at the 2040 plan is to prioritize those action items and reconcile our goals and objectives with the 2040 plan.

So I am thinking it should not take as long as in the past.

I'm thinking it should be a four-hour meeting, and I'm also proposing that we meet in the evening in December.

And here's my rationale is that during the annual town hall meeting, the moving forward CCE public meeting, October 28th, we're gonna be hearing from community members.

So that gives us like a month to kind of process to it, but like we don't want to wait too far that we forget what the community is telling us.

We have one meeting in December, so we could just add it to the like um SSW has openings on Monday, December 1st or Thursday, December 4th, and we could do it then, and that and that way we are not meeting in January um on a Saturday.

So I guess like that, I guess the question I have is would you rather meet on a week night in December for our retreat or wait till January and meet on a Saturday?

anybody?

I'd be more apt to meet during the week because I was I think I missed the last one just because I um wrestling.

Right.

An evening, is that okay with you guys?

Do you guys have a preference on Monday, December 1st or Thursday, December 4th?

If you want to check your calendars right now, I'm clear clear on both of those.

I think Monday works a little better for me just because I'll be coming from downtown on Thursdays.

Yeah, and I was thinking Mondays because typically we have Monday meetings.

I mean, be it'd be an off day, but are we okay trying to schedule that for Monday, December 1st?

And then we get it done, and then we can also like just move forward.

I think it'll be great.

So Jesse, did you hear cool?

So tentatively schedule, wait for confirmation, but Monday, December 1st, 5 to 9 p.m.

for our um retreat.

Okay, and then I had a couple other things.

What else did I want to talk about?

Uh just what everyone else said.

I think that the chamber and Valley Art, I think downtown was popping this weekend.

Um, thank you to all the volunteers who show up for our community and make it a great place to live.

So with that, I'm gonna close this meeting, but we do have a work session after this.

So meeting is adjourned.