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Audit Advisory Committee Regular Meeting – July 14, 2025

Meeting PortalMonday, July 14, 2025
BodyFort Smith, Arkansas
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DateMonday, July 14, 2025
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0:00

So it's just to be recorded.

0:02

Okay.

0:03

We're good.

0:05

All right.

0:06

Well, and I've been asked by someone that make sure we pick in our mic because the last meeting was child.

0:13

Well, we're just recording.

0:15

We're not doing this.

0:16

Yeah, we're not using the.

0:17

I know, but I'm just saying that it doesn't work at all.

0:20

Oh, okay.

0:20

If you don't speak in the mics matter, no, not for this.

0:26

Okay.

0:26

If we were recording here.

0:28

Yeah, I mean.

0:31

So Dean Infield, Chairman of the Internal Audit Committee is not here.

0:38

She's uh out as of or would you find out she was going to be out today on uh she was she was very um so I think we need to name a chairman of the committee or do we need to name the chairman?

0:55

We do the boardroom service chair for me one meetings, or would it have to be someone actually on the answer uh I would I uh absolutely that I would nominate you more uh all in favor?

1:11

Opposed okay, all right.

1:14

Well I'll go ahead and serve as chair for tonight.

1:17

Um so for a roll call, we have uh Lavon Morton, uh Andre Good, Christina Kat Savas, and our internal audit staff, uh Tammy DeMateo, Lakesha Perkins, and Christy Fisher uh present for tonight.

1:34

So I'll go ahead and call the meeting to order at 6.07 p.m.

1:40

on Thursday May or uh July 10th.

1:48

All right, so first item on our agenda is to approve the meeting minutes from June, our June 12th meeting.

1:59

Um hope folks have had a chance to take a look at those.

2:03

Um any questions or concerns on the agenda from or the minutes from 612?

2:12

Anybody have a motion to accept the minutes from June 12th?

2:16

So move.

2:17

We've got a first second second.

2:21

Um all in favor for approving the amendment, the minutes from June 12th, say aye.

2:26

Aye.

2:27

Opposed.

2:29

All right.

2:30

So those minutes are approved.

2:33

Item number two on the agenda is a number of different things discussing the audit charter, the audit advisory committee charter, and policy manuals.

2:43

And I believe um Tam who's who sent those out?

2:47

Christy did Christie sent those out to us earlier this week.

2:51

So um hopefully everybody's had a chance to take a look at those and um has that uh is ready to kind of speak to those.

3:00

So first off, the audit charter.

3:03

Um anybody have any thoughts or questions just in general uh with the audit charter as it sits today?

3:12

Well, I know there's been some confusion about um the role of the audit committee, and especially as people try to interview people.

3:20

Um I don't know that everyone is clear on it being an advisory committee, right?

3:27

Um so I don't know if that's something that you need to add some language to you know that it is it is an advisory committee.

3:36

Oh, the seaman say that throughout the charter.

3:41

Well, there's there's a couple things in there that I have that I I kind of I looked at and saw and had some concerns about.

3:48

There is an authority section there, um and I kind of have a question about the authority second section in general, but there is a there's a component in there uh that says in discharging its oversight role and goes on to talk about the the audit committee.

4:08

I I looked at that as like oversight.

4:10

I don't know if necessarily there is an oversight, it's more of an advisory role.

4:14

Um but but I think that kind of fits in with some of those some of the things that you were you were saying, uh Christina uh in terms of there are there are some things to say an advisory role, but I think there's some other things that kind of maybe just clean the language up right clear.

4:33

Right, right.

4:34

Well, can I ask a question?

4:34

This language in yellow, what it what is the um this you know I I remember when the um charter was initially developed in the early 2000s.

4:52

I don't remember this authority range.

4:55

This is this is the one I pulled from 2010.

4:58

From what now?

5:00

This was the one that was in the in our our drive from 2010.

5:03

So is what from what I can't hear.

5:06

2010 I think you pulled in 2022.

5:08

That's when the advisory committee, well, you know, that's what it said.

5:12

I I don't remember, I mean, I certainly agree.

5:15

This is an advisory committee role only, that's what it's always been, and uh anything that implies otherwise is not there's all the four is committees or approved advisory.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Audit and Oversight█████████████████████████████████████████████76%
Procedural██████10%
Personnel Matters██████10%
Water And Wastewater Management██3%
Government Structure Reform1%
Summary of Proceedings

Audit Advisory Committee Regular Meeting – July 14, 2025

Note: The agenda and meeting minutes indicate the meeting was originally scheduled for July 10, 2025, but this summary follows the instruction to use July 14, 2025 as the meeting date.

The Audit Advisory Committee of Fort Smith, Arkansas, met in regular session at 6:07 PM in Blue Lion Room 2. Director Neal Martin chaired the meeting in the absence of Chairperson Deana Infield. Members present: Russell Bragg, Christina Catsavis, Lavon Morton, Andre Good, and Neal Martin. Absent: Deana Infield and Ed Ralston. Internal audit staff present: Christi Fisher (Staff Auditor), Lucretia Perkins (Utility Auditor), and Tammey DiMatteo (Admin Coordinator). The meeting adjourned at 7:32 PM.

Consent Calendar

  • Approval of Minutes (6/12/2025): Motion by Director Andre Good, seconded by Director Christina Catsavis, to approve the meeting minutes from June 12, 2025. Approved unanimously.

Discussion Items

  • Audit Charter and Audit Advisory Committee Charter Revisions: The committee discussed aligning the charters with IIA (Institute of Internal Auditors) and GAO (Government Accountability Office) standards. Key points included:

    • Clarifying that the committee’s role is advisory, not oversight. The phrase "discharging its oversight role" should be changed to "discharging its advisory role." Members proposed adding language that all committee responsibilities under the charter are "advisory and non-binding."
    • Removing references to the City Administrator having authority over the internal audit function. The charter should state the internal audit reports functionally to the Board of Directors and only administratively to the City Administrator.
    • Deleting bullet points under the "Authority" section that granted the committee power to authorize special investigations or hire external firms; such authority should rest with the Board.
    • Revising the "Financial Statements" section to rename it "ACFR" (Annual Comprehensive Financial Report) and removing the first bullet point on reviewing complex accounting issues, which is handled by finance staff.
    • Replacing the line "City Administrator shall nominate committee members" with language stating the Board appoints members through the standard application process.
    • The committee requested that Christi Fisher redraft both charters incorporating these changes, cross-reference them with IIA and GAO model charters, and send a redline version for review at the next meeting. Policy manuals were deferred.
  • Internal Audit Director Position & Outsourced Baker Tilly Services:

    • One candidate was previously interviewed; two more interviews were scheduled for July 15, 2025, after the Board study session. The committee expressed interest in having internal audit staff (or the full committee) also meet candidates to ask specific technical questions.
    • Members noted progress in recruiting; candidates from the current posting appeared stronger than previous ones. However, some Board members lacked clarity on the specific skills needed (e.g., CPA vs. audit experience). Governmental audit experience was valued but not required.
    • Regarding Baker Tilly: The committee voiced frustration with slow progress under the current 30-hours-per-month contract. The firm proposed a separate 225-hour, $50,000 engagement for a citywide risk assessment, but the committee decided to narrow the scope to utilities only. Discussion included focusing on high-risk areas such as utility billing (e.g., zero-bill accounts, unbilled revenue of approximately $6,000 per account) and IT controls.
    • The committee recommended that Baker Tilly begin the risk assessment for utilities only, using the existing contract hours, and that internal staff (Lucretia Perkins) assist with data gathering. Director Neal Martin agreed to communicate this direction to Baker Tilly and request a shortened timeline (estimated 100 hours) and deliverable dates.
    • Members emphasized that this targeted assessment would provide immediate value, especially with upcoming bond issuances for utility infrastructure, and would not duplicate efforts if a new director is hired later.
  • Roundtable / Questions / Recommendations:

    • A question was raised about a delay in the single audit (federal program audit). The committee noted the delay was due to an identified federal award requiring additional procedures; the deadline is nine months, not six, so no immediate issue.
    • The next regular meeting was set for October 23, 2025, at 6:00 PM at Blue Lion (same location). Meeting invites to be sent by staff.

Key Outcomes

  • Directives for Staff:
    • Christi Fisher to revise the Audit Charter and Audit Advisory Committee Charter per committee discussion, align with IIA and GAO standards, and circulate a redline draft for review at the next meeting.
    • Interim policy manuals were not reviewed; staff will resend corrected versions.
  • Baker Tilly Engagement:
    • Committee recommended that Baker Tilly proceed with a risk assessment limited to Utilities only, using the current contract (30 hours/month). Staff to negotiate a reduced scope and cost (e.g., ~100 hours) and define specific deliverables and dates.
    • Internal audit staff to support Baker Tilly in data collection without duplicating efforts.
  • Internal Audit Director Recruitment:
    • Two additional interviews will occur after July 15 Board study session.
    • The committee will participate in the evaluation of final candidates, potentially through a separate meeting with them.
  • Next Meeting: October 23, 2025, 6:00 PM, Blue Lion Room.

Meeting Transcript

So it's just to be recorded. Okay. We're good. All right. Well, and I've been asked by someone that make sure we pick in our mic because the last meeting was child. Well, we're just recording. We're not doing this. Yeah, we're not using the. I know, but I'm just saying that it doesn't work at all. Oh, okay. If you don't speak in the mics matter, no, not for this. Okay. If we were recording here. Yeah, I mean. So Dean Infield, Chairman of the Internal Audit Committee is not here. She's uh out as of or would you find out she was going to be out today on uh she was she was very um so I think we need to name a chairman of the committee or do we need to name the chairman? We do the boardroom service chair for me one meetings, or would it have to be someone actually on the answer uh I would I uh absolutely that I would nominate you more uh all in favor? Opposed okay, all right. Well I'll go ahead and serve as chair for tonight. Um so for a roll call, we have uh Lavon Morton, uh Andre Good, Christina Kat Savas, and our internal audit staff, uh Tammy DeMateo, Lakesha Perkins, and Christy Fisher uh present for tonight. So I'll go ahead and call the meeting to order at 6.07 p.m. on Thursday May or uh July 10th. All right, so first item on our agenda is to approve the meeting minutes from June, our June 12th meeting. Um hope folks have had a chance to take a look at those. Um any questions or concerns on the agenda from or the minutes from 612? Anybody have a motion to accept the minutes from June 12th? So move. We've got a first second second. Um all in favor for approving the amendment, the minutes from June 12th, say aye. Aye. Opposed. All right. So those minutes are approved. Item number two on the agenda is a number of different things discussing the audit charter, the audit advisory committee charter, and policy manuals. And I believe um Tam who's who sent those out? Christy did Christie sent those out to us earlier this week. So um hopefully everybody's had a chance to take a look at those and um has that uh is ready to kind of speak to those. So first off, the audit charter. Um anybody have any thoughts or questions just in general uh with the audit charter as it sits today? Well, I know there's been some confusion about um the role of the audit committee, and especially as people try to interview people. Um I don't know that everyone is clear on it being an advisory committee, right? Um so I don't know if that's something that you need to add some language to you know that it is it is an advisory committee. Oh, the seaman say that throughout the charter. Well, there's there's a couple things in there that I have that I I kind of I looked at and saw and had some concerns about. There is an authority section there, um and I kind of have a question about the authority second section in general, but there is a there's a component in there uh that says in discharging its oversight role and goes on to talk about the the audit committee. I I looked at that as like oversight. I don't know if necessarily there is an oversight, it's more of an advisory role. Um but but I think that kind of fits in with some of those some of the things that you were you were saying, uh Christina uh in terms of there are there are some things to say an advisory role, but I think there's some other things that kind of maybe just clean the language up right clear. Right, right. Well, can I ask a question?

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