Yes, thank you, Ronnie.

We have twelve members in the room and twelve members voting in Civic Clark.

All right, thank you, Clerk.

Now please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance and remain standing for an invocation offered by Alder Debaker.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

Under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

Alder Debaker.

All right.

So some words to guide us tonight as we go through the meeting.

Let us approach each decision with clear thinking and openness to different perspectives, especially when they challenge us.

Let us practice patience and respect, even when the discussions are difficult.

May we keep in mind that every item before us affects real people, neighbors, families, and businesses who depend on a steady, thoughtful leadership.

Let our decisions reflect not short-term pressures, but long-term well-being of the community.

And let us leave this, leave this community knowing we have acted with accountability, professionalism, and a genuine commitment to public service.

Thanks, Alder.

Appreciate that.

Next we have approval of the minutes.

Motion to approve made by Alder DeLee to approve the minutes from our April 21st meeting, seconded by Alder Ritterbush.

Any discussion?

Seeing none.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

The minutes are approved.

Approval of the agenda.

Motion to approve made by Alder Presley.

Second.

Seconded by Elder Orlowski.

Any changes here?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

And the agenda has been approved.

Report by the mayor.

Just a couple quick comments.

We have two items on tonight's agenda that I think are related to city-county collaboration.

And so just wanted to thank the county for moving forward with the library and ADRC and job center consolidation project.

We're going to be hopefully moving forward with the second reading of a PUD on that project.

Have also worked, you know, pretty extensively with the with the county on the coal pile relocation effort.

That seems to be moving forward well.

We have the Renard Island easement that our parks committee and council approved within probably the last few months to allow for a permanent easement and access to Renard Island.

And then we've got the museum resolution on the agenda tonight.

And just wanted to make the point that all of this has been done in the spirit of collaboration.

And I know we have got some county board supervisors in the audience who who might want to weigh in on a couple of those questions.

And um, and not to speak for the author of the the Neville uh resolution, but I think that's uh the spirit under which this resolution was offered too is just to sort of recognize the community asset that we have in the Neville Museum and and really just make the point that the city's here uh to assist wherever possible um to make sure that it's uh it's a treasured institution now and into the future.

Um so with that we'll move along to announcements from our council.

Any announcements Alder Delete.

I just wanted to make everyone aware that the first groups on the green event kicks off this month on the 29th from 6 to 8 p.m.

at Kennedy Park.

There'll be live local music and food trucks.

Excellent.

Thank you, Alder.

Alder Hinkfis.

Just to recognize Debbie Dean, who uh is 30 years, she's originally part of the Green Bay Neighborhood Association.

She serves with me on the RDA.

She's been a fabulous uh person for this community, and I just as a council member want to recognize her and thank you for your service.

Very good.

Thanks, Alder.

Any other announcements?

Seeing none, we'll move along to appointments.

Understand a motion on the new appointments.

Motion to approve made by Alder Ritterbush.

Seconded by Alder De Baker.

Any discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it, the new appointments are made.

Reapointments.

Motion to approve made by Elder De Lee, seconded by Elder Eck.

Any discussion here?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it, and those appointments are made.

Um next up we have a public hearing.

So this is a public hearing on a request to adopt an amendment to the Go Big Green Bay 2050 comprehensive plan.

The city of Green Bay related to the property located at 1696 Janice Avenue from multifamily residential to low density residential.

CPA 26-02.

Is there anyone here who would like to speak to that item?

Anyone here who'd like to speak to that item?

Anyone here who'd like to speak to that?

Clerk, can you uh let the record reflect that no one is here to speak on that item?

Um next, we have ordinance of second reading for adoption.

Motion is suspended rules for one, two, and four.

Alder Prophet makes a motion to suspend the rules and take up items one, two, and four.

Seconded by Alder Delee.

Any discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it, and the rules are suspended for one, two, and four.

Motion.

Motion to adopt made by Elder Prophet.

Seconded by Elder Eck.

Discussion here.

Seeing none, we'll use the board.

You may vote.

Um Alder Hanksis, how would you like to be reported?

All right, those ordinances are adopted unanimously on to item three zoning ordinance number 03-26.

Motion open the floor.

Motion to open the floor made by Alder Prophet.

Seconded by Alder De Lee.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The eyes have it, the floor is open.

And I have uh Dan Teeters who would like to speak.

I'm not required to say it, right?

No.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, good evening, council members.

Uh, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight on the request for a PUD for the Brown County Library, otherwise known as Third on the Square Project.

Um, at the city council meeting on April 21st, we discussed the fantastic relationships that this project has the potential to create, both inside the library walls and in the downtown amongst current and future developments.

Not all relationships are the same, however, and Brown County would like to express uh some concern over some of the language that is included within the PUD ordinance.

Um, I'd like to direct your attention to section C, land use regulations, subsection two.

The ordinance states that starting at the second sentence, a surface parking lot for users of Brown County Library, ADRC grounded cafe and job center shall not be constructed or used as surface parking if the ADRC grounded cafe and job center is not constructed within the Brown County Central Library site at parcel 11263, or if use operations uh for the ADRC grounded cafe or job center cease operations within the site.

It's important to point out the problem with this language and why the relationship with job center is a sticking point within the PUD.

The job center is a leasee of the Brown County Library.

Job Center is not a Brown County entity and is subject to state budgets.

As written, the 54 parking stalls to be constructed as part of the surface parking lot on the north half of the bank mutual site is dependent on all four entities operation.

As a state entity, Brown County doesn't have a say in the job center choosing to terminate the lease.

If the state decides to terminate the lease, it would effectively end the parking allowed on the bank mutual parcel if the PUD were to be approved as written.

Secondarily, if the PUD terminates with cessation of the job center use, the ADRC will not be able to meet their state and federal contractual obligations to provide free and accessible parking stalls at their facility.

The library and grounded cafe will also have a more difficult time providing the necessary parking for their uh operations to continue.

Brown County has worked carefully with all four of these entities to ensure that the surface parking requested made through this PUD would be adequate for our patrons, but not overzealous.

The times uh the times at which the library and ADRC programs occur are well staggered, enabling us to maximize the shared parking model that's being expressed here tonight.

Um secondarily, the uh I'm sorry, the grounded cafe is also a bit of concern as well.

Um, so the grounded cafe is a program of the ADRC.

Um the grounded cafe largely runs on um donations to the ADRC.

Um, and if for whatever reason the ADRC wasn't able to continue the grounded cafe specifically, um we would have to find another agency or another restaurant to take up that space.

Um so whether the granular cafe is included within the PUD uh as a use is okay, although it could be generalized to a cafe or restaurant, not specifically identified as grounded cafe.

Um but being tied to the parking is equally as problematic as the job center.

We hope that the city council members will see the concerns of Brown County and agree that the requested changes are in the best interest of the project long term.

I appreciate your time tonight and respectfully ask you to consider the amended language as presented.

Thank you, Mr.

Teters.

Any questions or guests?

Lurric.

Um can you just repeat where that was the the where in the ordinance that changes?

Sure.

Yep, that's under subsection C or sorry, I'm sorry, section C, land use regulations, subsection two.

And that's where the uses are tied to the the parking.

Thank you.

Any other questions?

Alder Hinkfits.

So basically, from a job center perspective, you'd like that removed and then also change instead of saying grounded cafe that we just talk about a cafe.

Yeah, a cafe or general restaurant use.

Yep.

Okay.

Thank you.

Anything else?

All right.

Thanks again.

Appreciate all the work.

Thank you.

Anyone else who'd like to speak on this item?

Motion to close the floor made by Elder Hutchison, seconded by Delee.

Elder Delee.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

Floor is closed.

Alder Prophet.

Um, so I do have an amendment ready to kind of reflect what was uh brought forward by the county.

Um, and just want to echo the sentiments that the mayor expressed earlier.

Hopefully, this is the first of two tonight where we display our collaboration with our county partners.

Um, I'm gonna read it um and let it breathe because there's a lot of words in it.

So the the job center, I think it is important to call out is kind of the funding mechanism is out of the county's control.

So I do think it's important to replace that language.

It is called out as the job center um in seven locations within the PUD, and there's an eighth section where it's referred to as the Wisconsin job center.

So the language that I have prepared is to replace the language, quote, job center from the following sections and replace with quote public or semi-public users.

Section two, subsection A, it's named twice.

Section two, subsection C, subsection one, section two, subsection C, subsection two, four times, which is what um our speaker mentioned, because that's that section.

But then to also replace the language, quote Wisconsin job center, end quote from section two, subsection H, subsection one, and replace with quote public or semi-public users, end quote.

Um, so that replace language just reverts back to the original PUD that was in front of plan commit plan commission originally.

Um so that just cleans up that language um regarding the job center being called out for all of the reasons that were mentioned.

Is there a second for that?

Second about Elder Eck discussion.

Um does this.

Yeah, does this uh address the cafe?

Go ahead.

Um, so no, my motion does not address the cafe.

Um, I can understand the county's perspective on that.

However, I do think you know, uh restaurant user that's privatized versus a restaurant user that's operated by the ADRC may potentially change the parking needs.

Um I don't know that a traditional restaurant operated through the library would need the same type of parking stalls that the ADRC's grounded cafe may need.

Um so no, um my personal amendment does not reflect the changes to grounded cafe.

Um I guess the question is what would happen if the grounded cafe ceases and we need someone else.

Do we have to reword this?

Uh question maybe for attorney coach art um or planning staff.

Um if the grounded cafe would cease operations, what would that mean for the the PUD that exists?

I think John's ready to go first.

Yeah.

As needed.

Sounds good.

The language is specific to the users.

So if one of those users was not in place, then the parking would not be a use.

You've lost one of the specific uh requirements.

We'd have to amend the PUD, yes, to uh reflect those changes, and that would be up for debate with the council at that time.

Sure.

Okay.

All right.

Comments on Alder Profit's amendment.

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That amendment has been approved.

Motion to approve is amended.

Motion to approve is amended made by Alder Prophet.

Seconded by Alder Presley.

Adopt.

I apologize.

Okay.

Additional comments or questions?

Seeing none.

Yeah, Alder De Baker.

So is that a large process that he just described to amend that?

Um, because you know, restaurants fail all the time.

Um, and it you could have two, three different names that they operate under.

Would it be better to um take the suggestion of making it a generic type uh name?

Um based off of being operated by the ADRC.

Uh maybe the question to Mr.

Leora as far as how long uh an amendment to a PUD would take?

About eight weeks to go through plan commission and then two readings here at common council.

Any other questions or comments?

Alder Eck.

I am actually going to um make an amendment to make that a generic um to like just cafe.

Okay.

Um so to remove specific references to grounded cafe.

Yeah, to make it more general to cafe.

Okay.

Is there a second for that?

Second pet.

Second by Elder Debaker.

Was it discussion on that?

Um Alder Prophet and Hinkfis?

Um, I'll just go out on record and say I'm opposed to that amendment.

Um, I think eight weeks you you know within operating a restaurant when that cease operation will happen, and I think it'll be easy enough to engage.

And I still stand with parking lots in our downtown are very frowned upon from a planning perspective.

So I do think we've allowed enough wiggle room within this PUD already that I think this is an okay line in the sand to draw.

Um I I think the grounded cafe will have different parking needs than a traditional restaurant.

So I would like to see it come back before council if that change of operator does happen.

Umder Hinkfis.

Alder Profit, what was the term you used to um you used municipal something?

When we made the amendment on the first one.

Public or semi-public users, public or semi-public users.

So why couldn't we do the same thing for the cafe?

And just say public or semi-public users for the grounded cafe.

I can answer that.

Uh Alder Helps.

Um I was in planning commission, yeah.

You bet Alder.

Um I was in plan commission, and one of the hanging points was the number of parking stalls that are going to be left in place downtown.

And that number of parking stalls is related to the ADRC and that ADRC coffee.

Okay.

Now, if the ADRC coffee goes away, they don't need that many parking stalls.

Okay.

So then it becomes an issue of can we reduce the number of parking?

So it's kind of a um okay, you can change it.

I don't think this body would be adverse to changing the PUD if the parking stalls situation was uh was then addressed, which the county would do.

They would just okay, we don't need this many, we'll do this, and then we'll go forward.

So it's a way to keep a handle on it.

If we change it now, then they can change to a private entity and not have to change the parking.

I think that's the reason.

Okay.

Uh yeah.

Alder Shelton.

Yeah, I'm I'm opposed to this amendment as well.

Um, I think we've talked about the the idea that we need to be really cautious about um you know using our downtown for parking spaces, and we would be giving up a lot of our discretion over this as common counsel if we were to vote for this amendment because I mean who this isn't a question about what's gonna happen in the next year or two, but like five years from now, if there's a move to say put a Starbucks in there, which you know I'm not opposed to Starbucks, but we would want to have that conversation and we want to keep those options open.

Thanks, Alder.

Additional comments.

Um we have an amendment on the floor, maybe Alder X seconded by Alder Debaker.

All in favor will say aye.

Oppose nay, nay.

Nays appear to have it.

Undertain a motion.

We have a motion to approve is amended.

Um motion to approve is amended is on the floor.

Any further discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oh, we need the board, don't we?

We'll use the board.

This is uh to adopt as amended.

And Alder Eck and Alder Hank this Alder Eck, Alder Hank.

This I do.

All right, and that passes 11 to 1 on to the report of the redevelopment authority.

Motion to approve.

Motion to approve made by Alder Prophet.

Seconded by Elder Delee.

Any discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That report has been approved.

Improvement and services committee.

Motion to approve by elder profit.

Seconded by Alder Ruderbush.

Items here to be handled separately.

Yes.

Seven.

Number seven will be handled separately.

Hearing none others, all in favor of the remainder of the report, signify by saying aye.

All right.

Opposed nay.

The ayes have it.

The report has been approved.

The exception of item seven.

Your wishes on that, Alder Hinkfus.

In discussion, um at the committee meeting.

This has come numerous times before the finance committee.

And we made it made an approval, and now it's coming back and they're approving the contract.

There's 400 and some odd thousand dollars that is well o is up for for this barn.

And that um approval is going to come through next Tuesday.

So if that approval comes through, I think we should make this contingent on that coming through before we go into any other type of funding.

Um so I'm basically saying we can approve it with the contingency.

We receive the 400 and some odd thousand.

If we don't, then it comes back to council.

Um acceptance of the bid contingent on um the non-state grant funding coming in, seconded by Alder Grant.

Um, on that, Director Ditchite, you want to weigh in?

Yes, I think that would be acceptable since the the grant award is coming next week.

Okay, and we have how many days to accept I believe it's 60 days we can hold a contract um how it's written.

Okay.

Any other comments from staff on that um all in favor will signify by saying aye?

Aye oppose nay.

The ayes have it, and that amendment is adopted.

Understand a motion to approve is amended.

Motion to approve is amended, offered by Alder Profit and seconded by Alder Ritterbush.

Any discussion?

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye, oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That item has been approved as amended.

Protection and policy committee.

Motion approved.

Motion to approve, made by Alder Prophet, seconded by Alder Delee.

Any items here to be handled separately.

Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

Just one abstain from item nine seconds.

Okay.

Notes an abstention on item nine.

Uh any opposed?

Seeing none, all uh the report has been approved.

On to the report of the Green Bay Police Department granting operator licenses.

Motion to approve made by Elder Prophet.

Second, seconded by Elder Presley.

Any abstentions or names to be handled separately?

Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That item has been approved or report has been approved on to the plan commission.

All should approve.

Motion to approve, made by Alder Prophet.

Second, seconded by Alder Hutchison.

Items here to be handled separately.

Two one, two.

Any others?

One and two will be handled separately.

Hearing none others, all in favor of approving the remainder of that report.

Signify by saying aye.

Aye.

Opposed nay.

The ayes have it.

The report has been approved, the exception of items one and two.

Your wishes on item one.

Thank you, Mayor.

I'm gonna motion to approve, but I just wanted to due to the discussion at the plan commission.

Want to draw attention to the fact that um just have staff one more time clearly state what the amendments are to the POD that this does not affect the density or lot widths.

It's ultimately the structure of some of the roads where they're cut, um, the flow of them, but this does not add additional units or housing or lots.

So I just want to make that public before we vote on this so that everybody understands because like I said, the discussion after that still alluded to the apartments and higher density, and I want people to understand what we're voting on.

Okay, so that you offered the motion to approve.

Is there a second second by Alder Profit?

Um development staff just want to weigh in on Alder Grant's point.

Sure, I'll I'll keep it brief.

Um two different developers that come forth looking to keep similar uses to what was already proposed in the original PUD from back in 14 and 18.

Um on the north and a northwest parcel and a southeast parcel of the overall PUD.

Um they're looking for some changes to um street patterns and just general amount of uh different housing types in different areas.

But that said, what they bring forth the final slight plan is still contingent on density standards that were established back in 2014 and then in 2018.

Um additionally, some language cleaned up uh for the overall PUD that reflects changes to the code.

The code used to have chapter 13 as a zoning statutes, it's now chapter 44.

There are some differences for land use development, those cleanups are were made, and then there were some changes to um a density table that reflected the changes this council made back in October and November, December, uh relating back to affordability, principally setback standards um in areas.

Uh that's what was changed.

Okay.

Thanks for that.

Uh any additional comments or questions?

Seeing none, all in paper say aye.

Oppose nay.

The eyes had have it.

That item has been approved.

Uh on to item two to approve a conditional use permit to allow rooming house at 828 Cherry Street.

I'll show up in the floor.

Uh Alder Prophet makes a motion to open the floor.

Seconded by Elder Hutchison.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Pose nay.

The eyes have it.

The floor is open, and we have uh Kevin Platt who'd like to speak.

And then if you could just offer your name and address for us.

My name is Kevin Spotty, and I live at 117 North Van Bieron Street, which is the property adjacent to uh I guess well, it's an office building now.

So housing.

Um I had never approached a group like this before, and thank you.

Um, I just have some questions.

I see Mr.

Nelson is here.

Um I was told if this comes to fruition the the rezoning, uh, that it's a maximum of 20 men will be living there.

And is that is that a final?

I mean, not 25, not 30, be 20, 20 men.

Yeah, and then I was told that there would be 24 hour on-site management.

Is that true?

Is that um we yeah?

So I appreciate you having addressed the council before.

We typically don't do like a question and answer sort of thing, but if if you wanted to kind of pose those rhetorically and then oh, yes, we can we can tease out those answers for you.

And uh uh from what I understand, there's supposed to be a privacy barrier between my property and their property.

And those are some of the things that I'm concerned about.

Sure.

Um I hope everything goes well with it.

But thank you for your time.

Yeah, okay.

Thanks so much for your testimony.

Any questions for our guests?

Seeing none.

Anyone else on this item?

All right.

Understand the motion to close the floor.

Motion to close the floor, maybe Alder Delee.

Second year.

There's ask the question.

Um, I'm they are not obligated to speak.

Um de Grant is curious if the applicant would like to say anything to council.

If so, just uh approach the podium and state your name and address for us.

My name's David Nelson.

I live at 1230 Spartan Road in uh New Frankens.

And in answer to the comments, we uh the maximum number of people that were to be rooming there would be 20, and we did agree to put I as I understand was a matter of uh that we had to put some privacy fencing and buffering and those things, and we're definitely um willing to do that.

We plan to do that.

That was the we spoke with uh the uh Mr.

Elliott also, and uh that is something we would plan to do.

Other um any questions for the applicant elder Hinkfis and the neck?

Um just uh validating is there gonna be a 24 hour like a house manager?

Yes, okay.

Yep that's so, but I just want to make that that public that there is a house manager.

There's a manager and a co-manager.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, and you had a community meeting or neighborhood meeting to get feedback and um how did that go?

How what was the response?

Well, it was we had a few people there that had concerns about the density and uh the use and management, those things that have been brought up here, and we discussed those things, and uh I think you know, some some people are still concerned.

Um but uh we had about 15 20 people there, 15 or 16, and uh I think three uh three people were opposed.

Okay, so and you've addressed the concerns.

Yes, I believe we have.

Okay, thank you.

Any other questions?

Oh, the grant.

Thank you.

Uh hi, David, thank you.

And is I don't know if Monty is here, but what is I know he mentioned that he would be the executive director, he is going to be living there.

Um, I guess I'm just curious as to what background and training the staff and you know, the executive director has to make this a successful program.

I believe Monty's on the Zoom.

Um, but Monty has is certified, and he's not gonna be living there by the way.

It's uh it's a rooming house.

There's gonna be a resident manager.

Um he's the uh Monty is uh the executive director, and there are all kinds of rules and accountability processes that Monty can, I believe he went into uh with some of the paperwork that we submitted uh with the city.

Um did I miss a question?

Okay, sorry, I'm just reading his email.

Okay, it just says on-site management will be me as executive director, a house manager who will be living there, and a backup assistant house manager.

Um, do we have a house manager and assistant house manager already chosen?

No, we're taking applications.

I think we have one serious uh candidate for that position.

Okay, and do they have a background in this?

They will be in recovery, they'll be um working a program.

Um that's what this uh building is for.

Men that are uh working a program in recovery that are sober.

Umte is would be managing but not be living there.

Um and none of the people are gonna be certified or registered.

I mean, we don't plan to have those things as requirements for the house manager.

They will have a certain amount of from what I understand.

If Monty can probably speak to, they'll have a an amount of required um uh length of sobriety.

Okay, this I don't know if Monty wants to add to that at all.

Yeah, if you if you could just state your name and address, sir.

I live at 12.7 Emily Street in Green Bay.

Alder Grant, did you want to restate?

And yep, I'm just curious as to um, you know, your background in this, and you know, I know you don't have someone yet picked for the uh house manager, but you know, what do are you gonna have any requirements for them in order to be the house manager?

Okay, um my background is um I am also in recovery, but I also um did be certified as a recovery uh recovery code.

Um as far as the house manager, as long as you're in recovery long term, uh we can't come in for you know we say can't become house category.

It has to be somebody that have uh have experienced living in that sober living home, like the gentleman Dave was talking about um he's coming, we would be coming from a different open living home that uh he has been approved by them to become older.

That would you know, we talked with the uh people that own that sober living home, and we recommend that they're ready in their in their uh recovery to handle something like that, then that's when they would that doesn't need to be done.

And will you have a house manager and assistant manager decided before the facility is open?

Yes, okay, all right, thank you.

Thanks, Alder.

Can I make one comment?

Yeah, this it's not a a treatment program.

Um the managers aren't going to be administering any kind of you know, correct uh any kind of training or um they're merely going to be supervising the the um the building in the premises.

I just want to kind of make that clear that uh any other questions.

All right, thanks for your testimony, sir.

Okay, appreciate it.

Thank you.

Anyone else on this item?

Um entertained a motion to close the floor.

Motion close the floor, maybe Alder Delee, seconded by Elder Eck.

All in favor will say aye.

Opposed nay.

The ayes have it.

Floor is closed.

Uh entertain a motion.

Motion to approve, second motion to approve, maybe Elder Delee, seconded by Elder Ritterbush.

Yeah, Alder Hutcherson.

Has the staff mic?

I'm sorry.

That's right.

Uh Planning Commission, I requested a review of nuisance calls of surrounding uh large buildings like this with many people.

Was there anything found regarding nuisance issues because the perception was this is a potential nuisance, and I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just perception and not reality.

Who's ready for that one?

Mr.

Leroy.

All right.

Uh so staff did look into um data that we have uh internally and from uh nuisance complaints.

Um and uh when looking at the other congregate living facilities that are located in the city, uh, as far as inspections there we were looking around back through uh complaints of dated over the past say eight years or so uh of the 16 different facilities.

Um most of them had no inspection complaints, or at least about half of them.

Um up to one had a handful um that had things like uh there was an elevator not working, um uh there was no hot water in the basement.

Um there was a pipe leaking at one of them, but as far as um specific uh complaints that go back to being a nuisance property, no, it didn't exist.

Okay, well, thank you for looking into that.

And I wanted to make sure if we were thinking in nuisance terms, it was actual and it sounds like it's more internal dealing with the renter and not external dealing with things in the sidewalk.

Thank you very much.

Thanks, Alder.

Anything else, Alder Grant?

Uh just a question for staff.

If we're starting out with 20 residents, if we are having complaints, is ultimately the options to uh pull the conditional use permit, or can we restrict residents down to a lesser amount to make sure that it's being managed well and that the problems are decreasing, or like us, what are our options as a city if this does become a nuisance?

Mr.

Leroy.

So there's five approvals for condition, and one is one that you as a council always seem that's compliance with all regulations of the cream in the slow code.

So if the property became a nuisance property, that would be reason to revoke a COP.

Otherwise, as far as the amount of folks who are in the capacity at the uh at the residence, it's based off of the max capacity for a dormitory, and that goes into ideas like living space, bathrooms, kitchen, parking stalls, things like that.

The maximum that we have was is 20 because we think that's the most that can possibly happen.

I do not think based off the parking situation at the site that 20 will be achieved on the site, it'd be more like potentially 18 would be the most that could possibly be at the site.

Okay, thank you.

That's all there.

Anything further?

Yeah, one more from Mulder Grant.

So I guess there's I do have a little bit of hesitation approving this.

I don't think there you know is a clear plan as to that I've seen addressing the residents' concerns.

There was a lot of concerns brought up at the plan commission.

There was some at the public hearing.

Um I just think sometimes as a city we struggle with having residents' voices being heard, and I am not seeing a very clear plan.

And I yeah, I worry about the concerns on the neighbors and it not being addressed.

So I I wish it was what better laid out, a better, you know, we knew who was going in as the manager and the assistant manager, what their background was, how long have they been sober, how many facilities have or housing places have they lived in sober, how many people they lived with.

This is we're talking 18 to 20 adults, and it is in very close proximity to an all-women's shelter.

There's a reason we don't, you know, mix some of these homeless shelters by men and women.

I just want to make sure that the existing organizations are being respected um in the area already.

So that's just the concerns that I have with this.

Thank you.

Uh Alder Prophet.

Um, I too was in attendance at the neighborhood input meeting that Dave spoke about.

So I'm happy to go through the little notes I was taking.

Um that I I think it does speak soundly that a lot of the neighbors that were at that meeting aren't here tonight because I do think um we work to address the issues.

So occupancy limit, what was originally proposed was 21 to 30.

Um everyone felt comfortable with 20, that's what's before us tonight.

There was some comments about rent.

What's the minimum?

What's the maximum?

I think that was answered.

It's not necessarily black and white in what's before us, but it was at least answered at that meeting.

Um, those neighbors initially didn't know is there a house manager?

Is there not that answer that's been answered?

Um, even if we don't know who that point person is.

Um neighborhood contact point person proactively shared.

Um, I know in discussions with Dave and Monty both that that is happening or will be happening when the project's completed.

There was a neighbor who was concerned that you'd be able to see into her house once this turns into residential.

Um, there was a lot of conversation about existing neighborhood issues that I know PD is very much on top of.

Um a report out to council was suggested um in talking with staff.

That's really something we do more for our homeless shelters, not necessarily a sober living facility.

And there was the desire to regulate some certain site improvements, which a neighbor mentioned tonight, and those have been added.

Um so those were all of the notes I took in the hour, hour and a half meeting that we had with the neighborhood.

Um, and I think it speaks soundly that uh many of them aren't here tonight besides the neighbor who just wants to ensure the fencing will go up.

Um, since he is directly next door and we will make sure that fencing and berm um is up for you.

Um I personally live directly next to one of these properties that is already wash certified, um, which is the gold standard in the sober living community.

Um they are some of the best neighbors I could ask for.

I think I've spoken at every meeting about that.

They're they were mowing before anyone else on our block did this past weekend.

Um, they are just always out there and very respectful neighbors.

We have a nuisance process.

Um, and we I will put on record right now, we'll be happy to follow that as we do with any other property that might change use like this.

So I'm comfortable with this proposal.

I think um I've seen since Plan Commission and the neighborhood input meeting a reduction in the number of neighbors reaching out to me because they do feel like their questions have been addressed.

So I'm comfortable approving tonight, knowing that we have answered those questions for them.

Salder.

Anything else?

Seeing none.

Uh Alder Angus.

The only thing that I would add is having to watch standards and already having that certification, that is a big deal.

Um, so the in my mind, these people know what they're doing.

So that should put us a little at ease.

All right.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That item has been approved.

Uh finance committee.

Motion to approve maybe elder profit.

Second by Elder Presley.

Items here to be handled separately.

Hearing none.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That report has been approved.

Park committee.

Motion to approve maybe by Alder Debaker.

Second or uh Delee.

Seconded by Alder Ritterbush.

Items here to be handled separately.

None.

All in favor.

Aye.

Yeah, I have it.

That report has been approved.

Personnel committee.

Motion approved.

Motion to approve made by Elder Prophet.

Seconded by Elder Delee.

Items here to be handled separately.

Number three.

Any others?

Hearing none others.

All in favor of approving the remainder of the report.

Signified by saying aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

The report has been approved, the exception of item three.

Alder Grant, your wishes.

Um, I would like to make a motion to refer this back to staff.

We're not in any major hurry to change our process.

We've only been doing the current process for about six months.

When we're talking about ultimately the agenda item was amended to create a report that goes onto the agenda.

So at the end of the day, what work is being reduced from what we're currently doing.

So I I would like to allow staff time to possibly think of other ideas.

If the goal is to reduce their time, I don't think the proposed ideas actually doing that.

So due to the there not being any urgent rush in this, I would like to see what other ideas we can come up with.

So my motion is to refer back to staff.

All right.

Mr.

Rolyson, Director Ollison, you want to weigh in on that at all?

Sure.

Um, as it relates to uh what could be placed on the informational part of our personnel committee agenda, it would be in addition to what we already have on there, which is new hires transfers, reclassifications, grade and step changes, and end of employment for employees.

Uh we would recommend if this were to go through that we place um a um open positions roster, which would be right above our new hires.

And that would that would detail out every position that's currently open within the city, the department, and then the posting date of that position.

Um, as far as saving time, uh this is an automated report that could be run from our HRIS system, which will in a sense in essence make it a really simple transfer onto the agenda, which would eliminate the need for any communication back and forth on uh the position requests.

Okay.

Thanks for that.

Um, additional comment.

Uh Alder Shelton.

Yeah, so uh I was on the committee where we had this conversation.

I I don't think this needs to be referred back to staff.

We we had a pretty robust conversation about how this requirement is possibly restricting us from being able to hire the best people.

And I believe what we heard is that only one Alder had flagged something over the past year when we had this conversation.

So I don't think this amendment's necessary.

Anything else from council?

Alder Hinkfus.

The only thing that would say, yes, we did have a robust conversation, but this ultimately comes down to oversight and making sure that we understand employees that are leaving, employees that are coming.

Um, the committee did approve, but I think it's really important that all four of us are on the committee um support that.

And I don't think there's a problem with referring it back to staff, talking about it at our next committee meeting and bring it back.

So I would support that so we understand exactly what the oversight is, and it's more from that perspective.

All right, thanks, Alder.

Alder Presley.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Yeah, I it it seems like staff is okay with the plan as it is now.

Um, and that referral to staff, the way it was phrased was that it's for the benefit of staff to look at how much time they're spending um based on uh director Rillison's response.

Um, I feel comfortable just putting it forward as it is.

I mean, if the elders want to look at a different approach, I think they can put in their own communication, but I wouldn't ask staff to do additional work when they're already um at peace with uh the motion as it is now.

Thanks, Alder.

Anything else?

Alder Grant for a second time.

Just want to explain the process for the new Alders.

So what used to happen is every single position that was that we used to get these emails.

So you it was explained in that email that you would experience that this actually used to be all on the personnel committee agenda, and it would take time for us to approve those, and it would go to council, and that's where the delay was coming in.

So about six months ago, we re-looked at that, and the idea was brought up that staff would email us.

If there were no objections, they could move forward as is and it streamlined the process.

But it gave council an option to or an opportunity to have oversight and understand what's going on with our personnel, which is what personnel committee does.

Um, it also gives us an opportunity that when budgets are tight, if a position is open, we're not cutting a position while someone is in it and earning income off of that, which makes it a lot harder to cut positions in our budget.

So it was an opportunity, and it has happened in the past, where a position opened up, and as a council, we waited six months to fill it on purpose to see if that position was truly needed within our budget because we are going to have another tough budget coming up.

Um, and it was a time to evaluate and see if some of those rules could shift to other positions, and we could still function as a city in the best way possible for our residents.

So I want to make sure that if this is getting passed the way it is, that every single person is actually going to be looking at that report because now it's out of sight, out of mind.

And I just want to make sure that as a personnel committee and a council, we are doing our due diligence and fully understand our staffing positions and what goes into it, how many people are in it?

Is there a lot of turnover in that?

Why is that?

It's a very easy checkpoint to kind of evaluate those things or ask staff questions.

Well, hey, I haven't heard this rule before.

Can you tell me a little bit more about this position and what they do and how long has this person been in this position?

Or that's weird.

I've seen this position come up every six months.

Why is that?

So that is the main reason why I don't think it's okay to completely lose over, and I don't want to say completely lose oversight.

But we did reduce this down and streamlined it.

I don't understand, I guess, completely giving that away to really not be able to get these reminders and notice of what's happening with our personnel staff.

Thanks, Alder.

Uh anything else?

Alder Profit for a second time.

Oh I don't think I spoke on this one quite yet.

Um so I did bring forward this communication.

Um we had six months to kind of reevaluate a new process for how we do this.

I do think it's important to remember these are budgeted positions.

Um so that that's an important equation.

Um, but I also think it's important to understand the historical landscape in our director positions.

We didn't have director Olofson before taking um a deeper dive.

Uh, we had um director Falds kind of having to wear multiple hats.

So appreciate the addition of director Roloffson and what he's done.

And this was initially six plus months ago, a suggestion on his behalf to kind of streamline our our sometimes dire uh vacancy rate for our city positions.

We want those positions filled.

We at this body have the perfectly within our purview to take a peek at any moment and put forward a communication and say we see we'd like to see the data surrounding X position.

How long has it been vacant?

How many people have been in that seat over the past 10 years?

Like we have that, and I would encourage anyone who's interested in that.

We have budget season coming up, so let's do that if you're interested in that.

But these are vacant budgeted positions.

We're already six months through.

We have a budget coming up where we can hash out some of those conversations.

But I do think it's um good.

And with Alder Hankflash's amendment at committee, we arguably have more insight we will be getting in that informational report.

We will see from my understanding of what the system pulls how long it's been vacant as well.

So we I would argue that we would have even more discussion at personnel with this change if it were to go through tonight.

Anything else?

Alder Shelton for a second.

If I could just ask, I know I brought this up, Director Rolfson.

Um, so under this system where the you know common council has had to basically approve uh these or or basically flag something um for an open position position.

How many how many times has an alder actually done that since the system has been in place?

Uh the current process of emailing on Wednesday and awaiting for a potential return on Friday.

There was one question that was posed on one of the positions, and I think we had 20 to 22 open positions in that time frame that were uh budgeted and budgeted and no change in classification.

Okay, thank you.

Anything else?

Alderek.

Thank you, Mayor.

Um, yeah, so it's been in process for about six months, and yes, there is one inquiry.

Um, so just wanted to point out um that there was a process that took longer, and this was to streamline it.

And so now it seems like um uh it doesn't sound like we're reverting back to what was happening before that.

Um, but it's taking away both of those things.

So I feel like it's it's we're going backwards here as far as oversight.

So um I am I'm against this uh change.

It's all there.

Anything else?

Holder debate the report that they put together, is that going to be emailed out, or do we have to search that report out email?

Director Oldson.

The the proposal is to put an open positions roster on the informational section of the personnel committee.

Currently, there is no open position roster there.

Uh so that's where it would be.

Thank you.

Anything else?

All right.

Yeah.

I think the biggest change here is that we're gonna get an open roster.

We're gonna be able to see the positions that are open.

At the meeting, we cannot take action because it's informational.

But these are budgeted positions.

So I agree with that.

However, a budget is passed in November.

Come summer.

I mean, things change, processes change, new things get implemented.

So we should always be able to um question that.

I am comfortable with the report that he talked about, but I think it's really important that we're all comfortable that we have that oversight and that all of that information is out there.

All right.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

I just want to clarify this uh is on the referral to staff, right?

The vote that works and what we're currently discussing.

It seems like that discussion is over.

Um we I don't know if we need a referral to staff right now.

I think folks have made their points on why they think this should continue as it has been, or it shouldn't continue as it has been.

I think a vote on that will allow us to um see what the will of the council is.

But I a referral to staff seems like it would just be uh additional work for staff uh just to delay what we sounds like we've already decided our our staking our views on it.

Thanks, Alder.

Uh yes, good reminder is uh uh the referral motion uh offered by Alder Grant and seconded.

So on the motion to refer, all in favor will say aye.

The nays appear to have it.

Uh motion fails.

Uh Alder Prophet makes a motion to approve.

Sorry, seconded by Alder Ritterbush.

Discussion on that.

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Opposing.

The ayes appear to have it.

Can always request board vote has been requested by Alder Presley.

Uh and this is on motion to approve the item.

Alder Hen.

Yes.

All right, that passes nine to three.

Um, we are on to report of the public arts commission.

Uh Alder Prophet.

Um, so uh I know we have members of the audience here to speak to it, but before we before I make a motion to open the floor, I'd just like to offer a thought and potentially a motion.

Um it's a gonna be a motion that's a little different than this body has historically done.

Um, but I think it's important to recognize since this communication was brought forward a little over two weeks ago.

There has been such an increased level of communication and collaboration with our new county supervisors with Supervisor Evans.

Um, there's just been a lot of good dialogue, and I think it's really important to recognize that.

So before we open the floor, I would like to entertain, which is allowed by our city ordinance.

I'm gonna be a nerd here for a second, but Article 2, section 2-2-7, um, subsection C, subsection three, which is a motion um entitled to lay on the table, which is what I think is an appropriate action with this item at this time to just recognize the increased engagement from our county supervisors and their willingness to take a closer look at this and continue to seek engagement with their um city reps as well in just future conversations around again, as the mayor alluded to in his opening remarks.

Like this is a treasure in our community, and I think across the board we can all agree on that.

So my motion would be to lay on the table, which this body has historically done like a hold or receive on place on file.

A hold really requires a date for it to come back.

A receipt and place on file essentially kills it.

We're no longer allowed to talk about that item for the remainder of this council session.

A lay on the table would allow it to um hang out and allow our county supervisors to have further discussions.

So that would be my motion before we entertain a motion to open the floor.

Still definitely want to hear from the members of the public on this, but that would be um just a comment I'd like to add before we do.

Uh there's a second uh for the motion to lay this item on the table.

Alder Prophet makes it uh seconded by Alder Shelton and then uh motion open the floor.

Motion open the floor by Alder Prophet, seconded by Alder Delee.

All in favor will say aye.

Uh pose nay.

The ayes have it, the floor is open.

Uh so we've got first uh supervisor Patrick Evans.

If you could just state your name and address for us, certainly Brown County Supervisor Patrick Evans, 1692, Nancy Avenue on the uh northwest side, the best side of Green Bay.

So right, Alderman Dealy, of course.

So and EC understands that too.

So um, well, um first of all, um I appreciate very much the uh motion.

Uh I would like to um acknowledge first of all, Supervisor Tom Lund.

He's gonna be the chair of the educational recreation committee.

He came here tonight, and supervisor Dixon Wolf, who will be the vice chair.

And uh what I really like about this is there are a lot of county supervisors watching this online.

So um maybe they could learn something about getting a meeting online, but that's a discussion.

That's a discussion for another day.

But uh hello, guys and gals uh online.

See how that works.

So but uh mayor, I really I want to uh thank you for your comments that you made under your remarks, uh explaining the city's reasoning behind the resolution.

I want to thank specifically President Profit for um her um her her comments uh and the the great discussions that we've had last week, weekend, even today, and certainly want to acknowledge uh Alderman Shelton for uh the work that he has done and reaching out to me, and we had just great conversations, uh, and I'm very much appreciate that and appreciate all the all their alders that I had the opportunity to talk with.

Um the uh um and and um starting off with I wanted to make sure that we we we have the understanding, and I explained this to my supervisors who were very upset by this, especially in the outlying areas.

I said the Neville Public Museum is in the city of Green Bay, okay.

It's in downtown Green Bay, so the city has a vested interest in the the success of the Neville Public Museum, and I equated this to our library branches that we have in Ashwabanon that we have in Pulaski that we have in Denmark when I talked to some of the outlying supervisors.

I said, uh, those communities came to you as a supervisor and came to the county board saying, you know, hey, we want this X, Y, and Z and blah blah blah.

I said, that's how we have to take this.

Okay.

I said, don't take it that they're they're trying to tell us what to do.

I said, maybe it came out that way, and that's how a lot of you feel and felt, and I I also felt the same way, and you guys all know that.

But I said, but what's happening is now we're being able to have conversations where I'm the messenger, right?

I'm the guy that all these supervisors are like, hey, Evans, you know, XYZ, blah, blah, you know, all the alders, you talk to them.

Okay, I'll do that.

Um, and that's what I'm doing.

But this is what good government is about when even if the intentions are great, but it comes across, okay.

But we have that open dialogue, and we have that discussion, and then we come to an agreement saying, okay, yeah, we we understand what you're saying, I understand what you're saying, okay.

Let's talk, and then it's where we're at now.

Fantastic, right?

I hope that you uh uh pass uh Alderman or Alder Person Prophet and Alderman uh Sheldon second on that because I think it'd be appropriate, and it sends a great message to this to the county board.

I'll go back and talk to them.

Um are watching tonight, and um so I just I just want to thank you for this, and um also I think uh the uh um for having the city be interested in the Neville.

I I support that because I represent the the city of Green Bay.

So then we've got into let's do some things here where I think everybody knows it here, but we're you know in the public realm, so there's a bunch of rumors going on, right?

One, the Neville isn't moving from downtown, to the Neville isn't gonna be uh privatized.

Uh three, we are gonna work on getting an executive director, but that director, of course, minimum is a master of uh library of museum science.

It takes some time.

There's not you know 50 applicants running around Northeast Wisconsin.

Um we're gonna keep the accreditation of the library, these are all important things.

Now it's taking time to get the director.

Um I understand that I don't support it.

I would because there are talks.

Um, I know the mayor and the executive of Streckenbach have talked, executive Streckenbach and the uh children's museum, they had a meeting on Monday.

I would like to see uh an executive director in on those talks.

Okay, because if we're gonna try to find somebody who is going to be maybe, as we would say, a little more aggressive than what we've had in the past, the going out doing a lot more marketing and and going out getting more different events and trying to look at the synergies with organizations to partner with.

I'd like to see that.

And I so I appreciate what the resolution says in that.

Now I nor supervisor lund or supervisor Dixon or anything other supervisors.

We don't have any authority over that.

That's the hiring process and how it works in the county.

So it could be five years from now, and if they decide not to hire somebody, we don't have any say over that.

But I'm anticipating we will have um I'm anticipating we'll probably have a director sooner than later, and probably because of the uh the discussion that we've had and and all the media attention that has been brought to it.

So I think that's a real big positive.

So it's just yeah, one of those things.

I I I'm all open.

There is the discussions for uh maybe an outside partner, potentially it's been known that the children's museum.

Um but there is no proposal on the table.

I confirmed that with executive streckenbach last night.

They had their meeting on Monday.

I said, have have they even given you a proposal?

No proposal.

So do you have any proposals from anybody else to partner with us or come in or some synergies?

None.

Said, okay, then that's gonna be public knowledge tomorrow when I and I go to in front of the city council.

So no, there are no proposals out there.

So that's that's good.

Um I said it today, and it made the the uh children's museum upset from what I understand is uh the Neville is a museum, okay.

I'm not against partnering potentially with the children's museum.

The children's museum is not a museum in my eyes.

It's a learning recreational center.

I know they do some great things with STEM and all that, that's cool.

If there's ways to incorporate what they're doing, that'd be that'd be neat.

I think we could do that.

But I you know, I've been to the Louvre, I've been to the British Museum, I've been to the Vatican Museums, I've been to the Mayan Museum.

I was just in in November or October when it first opened to the gem, the great Egyptian museum in Cairo.

Okay.

Uh I've been to Florent Florency in Florence, that's where David is, the statue of David, and then the Glupenkind, which is in Lisbon uh Portugal, which is a private museum.

Fantastic.

So I probably the one that has the greatest appreciation for museums.

So I understand when you go to a museum, it's a cultural, it's educational.

Okay.

Do I want to have things for children?

Of course, because the children need to go to the the museums and then they can enjoy themselves, but then they're gonna want to come back and use it.

But as I said, I don't want to turn it into a chuck each, okay?

I just don't want to do that.

And so we had to keep that in mind.

How can we do that?

There might be opportunities as we talked.

Maybe we have to add on to the back, and maybe we have to talk with the city and get you have some property back there as well.

Maybe there's that opportunity because when I'm looking at the Mona Lisa or I'm looking at uh at David, or I'm reading a transcript of something that happened in ancient Egypt.

I don't like to hear little kids running and screaming, you know.

And it it's it to me, it's a just a not a great mix.

I'm one of 26 supervisors, I'm not the county executive.

Um, but I think we have if we're gonna do this, we have to do it right.

And so I I just want to say again, I just I very much appreciate the spirit that uh the resolution was brought forward.

I very much appreciate the art, uh is it the art council?

I kind of missed I mean that's what we have them there for, right?

I mean, they're doing their job.

I appreciate that.

Okay.

Um, and I appreciate the discussions that we have all had, and that the resolution that hopefully will come.

So that's good government.

And I thank each and every one of you for being part of that good government and having these discussions and bringing it forward and coming to that collaboration and cooperation that the mayor has has talked about before, and that we've all individually talked about.

So uh I thank you for your time, and I look forward to working with the uh the city, and I know my fellow supervisors um will also be extremely happy.

And for the record, I will bring this to our county board uh meeting and uh tell them how the results were.

We'll go from there.

So thank you very much.

I appreciate you.

Thanks for your testimony, supervisor, and uh for your service.

Any questions for Supervisor Evans?

All right, see none.

Thank you.

I do like kids, I substitute and I help little kids, but I just don't want them in the museum.

Thank you.

Uh next up, we've got Mary Papas.

Hello.

And I appreciate your comments, uh, Supervisor Evans very much.

Uh I I'm here because I want to voice my strong support for um the resolution that supports Neville Museum.

Um we also just get your um address, ma'am.

What's that?

Your address.

Oh, sorry, 1947 Lakeside Place.

Um I really appreciate speaking up in the spirit of collaboration, and that's really kind of why I really appreciate Supervisor Evans' comments because collaboration is the thing.

This is a community institution, um, city county and beyond.

Uh so I appreciate that very much.

There's a lot of urgency, I believe, in terms of addressing the leadership vacuum that exists at the museum right now.

And I think that the overall future of the of the museum is important to be talking about in that context.

And I believe that it is wise in terms of the resolution and in the county's consideration.

Why is we thinking about having a director who helps lead our rediscovery or discovery of a new vision?

The museum is certainly a pride, a piece of pride for us.

Tells our stories, expands our thinking, our understanding, our appreciation about arts, culture, science.

And I going back to the original resolution, which may be set on the table now.

I want to specifically address what I I'm not sure how to address the paragraph five of the resolution.

And that paragraph, that where is statement, um advocates a transparent and inclusive community engagement process before any long-term strategic changes are made.

That's just so critical, just so critical.

Right now, there's a sense that I have that that we're just kind of looking for looking for options and and there's not a grand vision drawing us or pulling us and leading us.

And again, someone who is a director may be very helpful to have that be the first task of the job.

Um I don't know that they have a whole lot more to add.

Except that the museum needs our collective attention, and not only does it need our collective attention, but it definitely deserves it.

It is a gem.

It is an absolute gem.

And it has just begun, I think, to see some expansion in terms of what it covers and what it can do and what it can deliver, and that takes a while to ferment.

Uh, and again, I think there's a got there's a need for a vision.

So that's all I would like to share with you and again offer my support.

Thank you.

Thanks so much for your testimony, ma'am.

Questions?

Great.

And we've got uh David Corey up next.

Thank you.

Uh my name's David Corey, 1917 Lakeside Place in Green Bay.

And um it's my understanding that this resolution was to affirm the vital the Neville Museum is a vital cultural institution.

I also read that speakers had about three minutes, so I wrote out my remarks so as to not to ramble, so please uh indulge me in that.

Uh for the past 25 years, I've been the director of the Green Bay Film Society, which has held its international film series at the Neville Museum.

Uh the Neville has welcomed us and co-sponsored the series, which we provide free of charge to the community.

Our hope is that we can contribute to the cultural life of Green Bay in a small way with the support of the museum with its location in the heart of the city.

In fact, it's always been my hope that the Neville could serve as the cultural and intellectual heart of the area by bringing people into the downtown.

Many people and scholars have written about urban centers, the rise of the creative class, and how museums can serve as an economic engine.

And many communities have embraced this role.

Just uh down the road, De Pier has a world-class cultural center in the Mulva that was designed by the architectural firm Skidmore Owings and Merrill out of Chicago.

Appleton has an excellent new library, also designed by Skidmore Owings and Merrill, as well as the Trout Museum, designed by the LA-based firm Frederick Fisher and Partners.

And of course, Milwaukee has the Santiago Caletrada design Milwaukee Art Museum, which is world-renowned.

All of these buildings and museums have become destination spots for people interested in the arts, culture, and history.

And they help the local economy because visitors then shop in local stores, have a coffee or a drink in a local cafe, or eat in surrounding restaurants.

I know this because I've done this myself and have visited all of them and then gone and had a meal or a drink or a coffee in those um uh areas.

And we've seen this with the City Deck and the Neville Museum here as well in Green Bay, but it has the potential to do more.

And I'd like to offer a specific example.

For the past five or six years, the Green Bay Film Society has partnered with the local Italian American club.

And each season we've co-sponsored two Italian films as part of our series.

The club's members meet for dinner at a Green Bay Italian restaurant before attending the film.

Thus, the Neville and its programming has a direct economic impact on the city.

But the value of a museum is more than just economics.

It's a keeper and showcase of the city's history, its artists, and its cultures.

As we know, Green Bay is the third largest city in the state, and it deserves a strong, vibrant, and properly funded museum now, more so than ever.

And downtown revitalization just doesn't happen by accident.

It requires a clear vision and a balanced mix of experiences to draw people in and keep them coming back.

Across the country, cities are seeing a renewed interest in these urban cores.

People want to live, work, and spend time in walkable, vibrant downtowns that offer culture, entertainment, and community.

Our city has made meaningful progress in that direction.

The success of the Broadway's farmers market, the continued draw of the Meyer Theater, of the Tarleton Theater, and other recent initiatives, the new amphitheater and a light park, for instance, show that there is real momentum.

But to build on that success, we knew it to expand beyond seasonal and outdoor activities.

A truly thriving downtown also depends on strong indoor cultural options.

Places can visit people, places that people can visit all year round.

As more residents move into the new downtown developments, including retirees and young entrepreneurs, expectations are changing.

That's why investing in a museum or a cultural center is so important.

It would complement what we already have, creating a more complete and appealing environment.

At the same time, our small businesses need continued support.

Incentives, programming, and partnerships can help ensure that downtown remains active, accessible, and attractive to both residents and visitors.

Thus, I support this resolution in the spirit of collaboration, as we've heard from County Supervisor Evans, with a shared commitment to work with the county in its efforts to enhance cultural life, strengthen our downtown, support local businesses, and improve the lives of residents and visitors alike.

Thank you.

Thank you for your testimony.

Any questions?

Professor Corey.

Oh, you got a question.

Yeah, we're a lot of those questions.

You have a film screening there tomorrow, right?

We do.

Yeah.

Could you tell everybody because I've been to a few of them, like uh how well attended they are.

So we generally average between 40 or 50 people per screening.

And um it's the first Wednesday of each month.

We run it uh from September to May.

In summer, there's a lot more things going on.

The farmers markets, outdoor activities, then it's harder to get people to come inside when the weather's finally nice.

But um it's we've had on occasion um a full audience of up to 100 people there.

And so our uh we encourage constantly that the people who attend those become members of the museum, um, that they patronize downtown um businesses, and we also try to collaborate with as many cultural organizations as we can.

The Italian American Club, the Polish American Heritage Society.

Um, we work with a lot of um partners.

We've received a grant for next year from the French government that we're going to have um six uh French films free of charge, uh, courtesy of a grant through um the cultural embassy of the France.

Thank you.

Very cool.

Thank you.

Anything else?

All right, thanks again for your testimony.

Thank you.

Anyone else on this item?

Yeah.

If you can just state your name and address for us.

Hi, my name's Lisa Rose Lambson.

I live at 2575 Wodell Avenue Sun.

Um, and uh, much like David, I read there was a time limit, so I also wrote my remarks.

Please forgive that.

Um, I'm also speaking in support.

Um, but beyond the sort of notes that David uh mentioned, I want to speak as a public history professional.

So I'm an associate teaching professor of history, and I teach our public history classes at the University of Wisconsin Green Bay.

And the Neville is a core part of what my students and I do.

And I want to be precise about something because I think it matters for this conversation.

A public history institution and a children's museum edutainment venue are not the same thing, and they are not interchangeable.

And this is not a criticism of what a children's museum does.

They do important work, but it is fundamentally different work.

And for nearly a century, the Neville has been the institution responsible uh for holding this community, evolving from bringing the world to Green Bay to bringing Green Bay to the world.

The Neville holds over a million objects and permanent collection.

It is our artifacts, our photographs and films, our oral histories, our art, our traditions.

And all of that is held on site in that building.

If you can go to the film freezer, it's very cool.

Um, and it also uh employs professionals who make decisions about acquisition, preservation, and interpretation according to professional standards and metrics, and there are a lot.

Exhibits about us created by us have earned the American Association of Museums Award for Excellence, which is the highest achievement a museum professionally can earn.

That is a peer review process in which the field says this is good community history, and not only is it good, it is the best.

It maintains the type of institutional memory that cannot be recreated once it has been dismantled or consolidated with institutions with different missions and purposes.

And when I bring students there, they are not on a field trip.

They are in fact working in a professional public history environment, learning what it means to interpret the past responsibly and to be stewards of that for our community.

And that last word matters quite a bit.

Community.

The Neville's job is to reflect the full history and full population of Northeast Wisconsin.

Not a cultivated version of it, not a comfortable version, but the actual record.

A museum that only reflects history of one that is comfortable isn't preserving community memory.

It is editing it.

And I want to be very clear with what that means in a professional sense.

Photographs become inaccessible.

Artifacts that document who this community actually was, not who we wish we are, or the narratives we tell lose their professional stewardship.

They are lost to time.

That is not a renovation.

That is not a consolidation.

It is a foundational irreversible loss.

A community cannot undo.

Is that my time?

You go ahead.

Oh, okay.

You cannot reconstruct.

I'm sorry, I talk a lot.

You cannot reconstruct collections that are once dispersed or re-photograph things that were never digitized.

You cannot re-acquire artifacts that were donated in trust over a hundred years ago in some cases to a public institution that no longer exists in the forms that it was given to.

In doing so, we permanently limit how our community tells its story across time.

Those who study Northeast Wisconsin 50, 100, 150 years from now, those who want to understand who lived here, what they built, the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves, about our community, that is not a decision that any elected body should make quietly without collaboration behind doors, without the people and the voices whose histories are at stake.

Thus they support the resolution and the continued collaboration between county and city, not only to protect the Neville as a museum space, but the intergenerational narrative that creates the core of what Green Bay is and could be.

Thank you.

Thanks for your testimony.

Any question?

I'm sorry, Clerk is just asking for your name and address again.

Lisa Rose Lampson, 2475 Wooddale Avenue.

Dr.

Lamson, thanks so much for being here.

You know, you're uh an expert in public history.

I believe it was Supervisor Sam Dunlop who told me that there's reminded me that there's only three public uh history museums in the state of Wisconsin, one of which is the Neville.

Can you tell us, in your opinion, if it's significant to have a museum, you know, being uh governed by the public, and if so, why?

Ooh, that's a great question, John.

Um thing about museums and community spaces is that they're reflective of narrative building as a whole.

And that determines who and how a community can organize, truthfully, honestly, transparently.

When that is moved behind institutional, particularly corporation or privatized, you lose some of that community control about what is and is not said and how it is said.

And so if the community wants to be in charge of the stories we tell about ourselves, for ourselves, and for not only Green Bay, but to the world, then that is something that needs deep community impact and input.

And it is through not only in donations, but attending, going to exhibits, talking about how much you love it.

Um, when it is restricted, the questions you can ask about the past and about the communities, therefore become restricted.

Thank you.

Anyone else?

Yeah, I was just checking out questions first, but great.

Thanks, Montreal.

Yeah, come on up.

Hello, my name is Dr.

Rebecca Netsvet.

Um, I'm a colleague of some people who've spoken already.

I'm not speaking on behalf of any institution, and my address is 118 South Washington Street, apartment A331 54301.

Um, I too have written down my comments.

The Neville Public Museum is a treasure because it is a museum, not a play space, and because it's accessible to people of many ages and many educational levels without being euphemistically family friendly.

I have learned so much from exhibits on difficult complex subjects, such as African American Packers contribution to desegregation and the recent exhibit on state LGBT history that was praised by WPR.

The film screenings literally bring the world to Green Bay.

It's hard to tell from the media exactly what changes are being proposed or what the rationale for those changes are, what kind of problems they're intending to solve.

So I will address one that seems to be implied and rumored, and I apologize if this is the result of my speculation and not actually what's going on.

People on social media are saying that the LGBT history exhibit wasn't family friendly.

It was, of course, but I don't want the supposed or imagined needs of children and families to be invoked to censor some of the best work that the Neville does.

And for that reason, umong others, I I think that the museum, the children's museum that it's a play space, um, needs to be somewhere else than Neville.

Secondly, the Neville doesn't have unlimited space.

There's only so much we can put in one building, and there's quite a lot that's there already, and there's even I've been behind the scenes on the third floor, and there's even more that there just isn't space to show all at once.

And that makes me concerned that if we add a play space, what are we taking away from the Neville?

And thirdly, I feel incredibly privileged.

One of the things that I consider one of the biggest privileges of my life is that I grew up in Central Virginia, a two-hour bus trip field trip away from the Smithsonian Institution.

And almost everything I know about American history, because I'm I wasn't a history major, but I was interested in it, um, comes from those field trips as a K-12 student to the various Smithsonian museums.

And some of that material was challenging, and I literally got nightmares in third grade from some of the disasters that I learned about at the Aaron Space Museum.

Um, and there was definitely sexy pictures at the East Wing, um, you know, the Italian Renaissance part of the art gallery, and all of that is amazing for K-12 students and for adults who are there to learn, which is not the same thing as being there to play.

And I never felt that anything in the Smithsonian was being censored.

Um, maybe it is, maybe I I have too much naivete about that, but it didn't seem like that.

So I when I first came to the Neville, it was like great, this is our Smithsonian, and I hope it continues to be our Smithsonian.

Thank you so much.

Your testimony.

Any questions?

Thanks again.

Anyone else who'd like to offer testimony?

All right.

I wasn't planning to speak, but I was inspired by some of the folks uh in attendance.

Uh my name is Charl Knight, and I'm the owner of the Tarleton Theater, located at 405 West Walnut Street, downtown Green Bay.

I reside at 711 South Broadway in the city of Green Bay.

In our years of operation, the Tarleton Theater has proudly presented over a thousand free and affordable shows and performances in our historic venue because we understand families in Green Bay and Brown County deserve opportunities to preserve and celebrate local Northeast Wisconsin history and participate in local original live arts and cultural programming.

In 2023, U.S.

News and World Report ranked the city of Green Bay, the number one city in their annual Best Places to Live in the United States less citing affordability and quality of life.

The Neville Public Museum contributes so greatly to the quality of life in our community, providing affordable and free interactive historical and arts and cultural opportunities.

In the last year, thousands of Brown County residents attended the Neville on its free museum dates and participated in its free programming in the Neville Theater.

Like our friend David Corey.

In the last 10 years, the American Associated Association for State and Local History awarded not one but three prestigious uh annual awards to the Neville for presenting world-class community-driven stories about our community.

Well, I'm immensely proud of the contributions of the Charlton Theater.

My team and I recognize, along with our peers at the Maya Theater, the Widener, or any other performing arts institution, will never really come close to reaching the impact of the Neville and preserving and showcasing the history of Northeast Wisconsin.

Last year I spoke to the Brown County Board of Supervisors and urged them to support the annual one million dollar levy for the Neville Public Museum and its budget filled the open director position and continue to fund historic preservation, arts and culture, and the vital community resources we have in Brown County, like the Neville Public Museum, which contribute to our creative freedom, cultural togetherness, and lasting democracy.

Since then, the Neville its staff, its funding and its creative autonomy to continue telling the stories of people in Brown County have continued to be under fire in public and private conversations, protecting and further democratizing its ownership and funding is vital to maintaining one of our community's greatest history, arts and cultural institutions.

The Neville was founded as a Green Bay institution in 1927 by Green Bay residents and was transferred to Brown County in 1981, with its current facility constructed through a joint capital investment by Green Bay and Brown County.

It belongs to our community.

Rather than threaten its limited space with a private public partnership or move closer to the privatization of a publicly owned asset.

I propose a public negotiation in support of passing full stewardship of the Neville back to the residents of the city of Green Bay or joint stewardship between both the city and county in order to continue funding and protecting its creative autonomy free from further political threat.

The Neville is limited in its capacity to build out its current facility and accommodate its current archives, occupancy by another organization.

We'll only further challenge the creative autonomy and opportunity of the Neville to continue to present world-class award-worthy stories, which drive attendance and income and represent Brown County and historically the city of Green Bay.

Thank you.

Thanks for your testimony.

Any questions?

Thanks again.

Thanks.

Anyone else from the public?

Motion closed floor made by Alder Prophet.

Second by Alder De Lee.

All in favor say aye.

Opposed nay.

The ayes have it.

Floor is closed.

Uh there's a motion on the floor, which is to table the resolution.

Motion was made by Alder Prophet and seconded.

A discussion on that motion.

Seeing none, all in favor.

Oh, Alder Henkfus.

Thank you, Mayor.

As a member of this council, I'm also a member of the foundation board for the museum.

So I have two ways to look at this.

I'm very pleased that we are tabling the resolution, putting it on the table.

I think that is the absolute right way to go while still having influence.

However, as a governing body, we need to make sure that we're not governing based on things that are going out there that we don't know.

Because there are two governing uh boards.

There's the museum board that's made up of county board people, along with people from the museum and board members of the museum.

So there are, and then there's the foundation board that is responsible for raising money, of which I'm a part of.

There are two boards that are working very closely to move the museum forward.

And the one thing that this resolution did not recognize was the work that they were doing.

And that was very difficult because none of us were contacted before this resolution.

So when we're putting resolutions through, and this is for us as a body, we need to do the research, and we need to talk about talk to those leaders in our community that are already uh working on this, and what is the best way for the city of Green Bay to help?

So I would just, it's just something that I'm raising as we on the council, as we think about these things, we need to ask those questions uh before we pass something like that.

So I'm very pleased that we're passing it as on the table.

Thank you.

Any other comments?

Thank you, Mayor.

Uh yes, and I'm for um putting it on the table, kind of a new term here, but uh for all of us anyway.

Um, but I I do want to make a few comments, um, just kind of based on what was shared.

Um, I don't think any of us here on council, I'm pretty sure I could speak for everybody that I think we're all um uh we like the Neville Public Museum.

You know, we're we appreciate it in our community, and I do want to point out that um uh Mary Capus who spoke, she's also my cousin, and um she's been very um uh good to the museum and and um loaned out some of our family um our artifacts to the museum to be on display.

Um, so I wanted to just say that.

But um, and I appreciate that.

Thank you, Mary.

Um, but I have concerns about a resolution like this.

Again, I'm for your motion, but I would say in the future, I would I would like to have the city stay out of the county's business.

So I just want to I just want to make that very clear that I think that we don't want them coming and telling us how to run the city, and we don't want to do the same thing.

So I would like us to be careful with that, and so that we don't um cause friction in that relationship because I think we've had some collaboration, and I'd like to continue on with that.

So uh just keeping that in mind in the future.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr.

Mayor.

Um, yeah, I'm also in favor of laying it on the table.

Um, I do want to say I'm very glad that this resolution came up though, and I was very glad to co-sign on to it, um, just because of what we saw today, which was uh a number of members of our community coming from various uh areas of expertise or just you know uh membership of the museum speaking about how important it is um not just to Brown County but to Green Bay.

It is a public institution, it is all of ours.

Um so I appreciate the opportunity for this body to speak on what it hopes for for the future.

Um and I was very glad to hear Supervisor Evans speak about what he wants for the future of the museum.

Um that was very heartening.

It makes me feel very uh you know secure that uh he says we're gonna get an executive director and it's not going to be privatized.

Uh but those uh if he was making that decision unilaterally, um I would feel more secure.

But I know that there are more supervisors, there are more voices in this, and I want to make sure that one voice uh that is always represented is the public.

Um and we have just by bringing forward this resolution, have given the public another opportunity to weigh in um to be heard, uh, to get some media coverage.

I appreciated uh what Mary said as well.

We're all shouting out Mary.

Thanks, Mary.

Um, but the she said the museum deserves our attention.

Um, and I think that's really important that as the steps go forward, our attention has to be on the museum.

And that's you know, not trying to meddle in the county's business, but it is our business too.

It's it's our public institution that belongs to all of us.

Um so as members of the public, as members of the council, I think it is our business to make sure that what happens to the museum has our attention.

Um, and I hope we will continue to do so in that spirit of collaboration, cooperation with the county, um, building uh continuing to have a very strong relationship that results in the betterment of that museum and our community.

So thanks, Alder.

Alder Shelton.

Yeah, I'm obviously gonna support tabling this.

I seconded, but um you know, I I I think a lot of y'all know I'm a historian.

I could talk about the the reasons for public history, but you heard a lot of smarter people than me point all that out.

You don't need that.

Um I I I've lived here 13 years, I'm not from here.

And I think for people who grew up here, sometimes they take for granted how special this place is.

And to have this kind of public history that we have here of things like the Neville Public Museum, again, having only one of three public museums in the state, Bay Beach, the these entities that make life good for people here and enrich our lives and are also affordable and accessible.

We need to defend those things.

And you know, I'm really glad that we're having this conversation.

It might not have worked out, you know, the exactly the perfect way, but we've got everybody in the room talking about this.

And you know, really hope that we can work with the county supervisors uh to help support their work um in in uplifting the Neville and making sure that it remains public.

Um because we owe it, we owe it to this community to do that.

And so I just hope that we continue these conversations and that we can all work together to do that.

Thanks, Alder.

Anything else?

Alder Ritterbush.

I am that resident that's lived here my whole life.

I remember attending the museum when it was down where the federal courthouse was.

So I've seen the transformation of the whole museum.

You move to several different locations.

Um I was proud to sign on to this uh referendum or whatever.

I uh we didn't do it to make anybody ticked off.

We just did it because we wanted to bring it to attention to the citizens and the county so that we can work together collaborately to just to make it better for all.

That's all I got to say.

Thank you.

Anything else?

All right, all in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Pose nay.

Yeah, I have it.

And that motion succeeds.

Uh traffic bicycle and pedestrian commission.

Motion to approve, made by Alder Profit, seconded by Alder Hinkfus.

Items here to be handled separately.

Hearing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

Yeah, I have it.

That report has been approved.

Sustainability.

Motion to approve made by Alder Presley.

Second by Alder Sheldon.

Items here to be handled separately.

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it, and that report has been approved.

Next is committee of the whole consideration with possible action on involvement in the fire truck antitrust litigation against fire truck manufacturers pending in the Eastern District of Wisconsin Green Bay Division.

Motion approved.

Motion to approve, maybe Albert Alder Profit.

Second by Elder Henckfus.

Discussion.

Seeing none, all in favor say aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

And that report is approved.

Uh on the resolutions.

Motion to suspend the rules for one through 13.

Alder Prophet makes a motion to suspend the rules and take up items one through 13 with one roll call vote.

Seconded by Elder Shelton.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

Motion to adopt.

Motion to adopt made by Elder Prophet and seconded by Alder Delee.

Any discussion?

Yes, Alder Hinkfus.

We are on this resolution.

We're creating ward 48, way on the other side of the city.

Can we explain why we're doing it as 48 versus like I don't know, 3C or like we have on the other ones?

Just I just don't know if it's going to cause confusion.

But our clerk can.

Thank you so much, Alder Hinkfus.

That's a great question.

So this is a result of a land swap with Valve.

Um so these are three parcels that are currently uninhabited.

Um they're three residential parcels that we expect to have three houses on.

So the way that these um when these sort of in the middle of the year new wards happen, we have to do we have to use the next number, which is 48.

It is uh my intention once November is finished.

Um again, there aren't any residents on those three parcels just yet to incorporate those three parcels into I think it's I'm not 100% sure, but it's 1111A, 12 and 12A are the uh wards around it.

So basically, to absorb those because I do not want a 48.

Actually, it would be a 50 second ward, to be honest with you.

So um that's a thank you for asking that question, but we have to do this now, and then like I said, our intention is to incorporate uh after the November election is over.

Thank you.

Um so there was a motion and a second.

Any further discussion?

We'll use the board on one through 13.

You may vote.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I do that again.

Now you can vote.

Yes, okay, yes, yes.

And Alder Hinkfus, thank you.

All right, those are approved unanimously on to 14.

Alder Prophet.

Uh make the motion to lay on the table.

Alder Prophet makes a motion to lay this item on the table, seconded by Elder Delee.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

That item has been tabled.

Ordinances first reading.

Motion advanced.

Um to suspend the rules made by Alder Prophet, seconded by Elder Hinkfus.

All in favor will say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

Rules are suspended.

Motion to advance.

Motion to advance, made by Elder Prophet, seconded by Elder Hinkfus.

That's advancing items one and two.

All in favor say aye.

Aye.

Oppose nay.

The ayes have it.

And those ordinances are advanced to a second and final reading.

Adjournment.

Motion to adjourn.

Made it by Alder Delee.

Seconded by Elder Eck.

All in favor say aye.

Pose nay.

The ayes have it.

We're adjourned.

Thanks, everybody.

Recording stopped.