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Gulfport City Council Workshop on Watershed Management Plan – November 25, 2025

City Council — Tuesday, November 25, 2025
BodyGulfport, Florida
SessionCity Council
DateTuesday, November 25, 2025
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Speaker 1

7:27

We always start on time.

7:30

So welcome to uh everybody who was able to make it here tonight for our workshop.

7:36

I think this is the fourth workshop we're having in eight months.

7:40

Um trying to talk out things.

7:42

So um we're gonna start with um roll call.

Speaker 2

7:47

Vice Mayor Thanos here.

7:49

Councilmember Shaw present.

7:50

Council Member Early Present.

7:52

Mayor Love here.

7:54

City Manager O'Reilly.

Speaker 3

7:55

Here.

Speaker 2

7:55

City Clerk Carico is present.

7:58

Um Councilmember Jackson has asked me excuse me.

8:01

All righty.

Speaker 1

8:02

So let's let me kind of start with a just a little bit of an overview, all right.

8:08

Um I don't know how many of you I think a few of you might have been present for the presentation.

8:13

We were um it was very overwhelming.

8:17

Uh a lot of terms and acronyms that were uh not uh in my wheelhouse because I'm not an engineer.

8:25

Um but I am extremely grateful to get the presentation.

8:28

We needed it, we needed to, you know, start the forward motion and to me just hearing the presentation was the way to kick it off.

8:36

Um as far as I'm concerned, and I don't know if everyone would agree with me, but I think that uh storm water is the number one issue in Gulfport.

8:46

Um and the biggest one that we have to get um figure out how to get our wrap our heads around and what to how to move forward it with fixing it.

8:56

Um I did ask enough questions that I was able to find out that um though there were a few improvements made in the nineties in Ward Four and the tangerine stormwater slash quality water improvement was made approximately fifteen years ago.

9:16

Besides that, we have a very old system that was designed for life a long time ago.

9:25

I think isn't our city about a hundred and twenty-five years old now?

9:29

Okay.

9:30

So um you know, we have an antiquated system and the fact that we've had so much weather change recently and that the storms came our way made us really aware that this has to be number one in our book.

9:44

So just to kind of put it all into perspective why I might suggest that it was overwhelming.

Unassigned speaker

9:51

Approximately ten years ago, our previous city council decided to move forward on working on our um sewer system.

Speaker 1

10:01

And they put into place a 10-year program, and I think we're at about year nine, nine and a half on that right now.

10:08

So to just kind of help you understand that the money, year today, so far in the last nine and a half years, we've spent $13.5 million on improvements in our sewer system.

10:24

Okay.

10:25

Based on the presentation the other night, if we were to move forward and complete the six projects in today's dollars, we're looking at 75 million.

10:37

So 13 and a half million, 75 million.

10:41

Needless to say, this is a big ticket item that needs some conversation.

10:47

And of course, you've heard me say many times that how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time?

10:52

Well, this is a gigantic elephant.

10:56

So somebody asked, I think Vice Mayor Thanos asked me at the last meeting, what are we going to talk about?

11:02

Okay, so let me just kind of say what my goals are here today.

11:07

And of course, they can everybody can talk about anything they want to, but this would be my goals.

11:13

I would like to think that as each of the council members would address uh the defined level of service that was presented to us and address whether they think that that is acceptable or not, and kind of compare that defined level of service to reality.

11:33

Um when I say reality, I'm just suggesting that we do live in a coastal town right on the water, and uh uh the water's not receding, and it's not possible for a small city to fix everything for everybody in every circumstance.

11:50

So decisions have to be made, all right.

11:53

So that's one thing.

11:54

I'm hoping we get we'll address a little bit the defined level of service.

11:59

The second thing is I would like it if the council would address uh if they're comfortable, the uh project development assumptions.

12:08

The that was a page that was made just before we went into the details of each of the projects.

12:14

For example, one of the project development assumptions that was made was that we don't want to buy up homes to store to uh store our stormwater.

12:25

So I would like for um council members to address that if that's one of the things that they've looked into.

12:31

I know I have some thoughts on that matter.

12:33

I would like to acknowledge that I don't think until this presentation was given the other night that I really realized that we have a much bigger um rainwater stormwater issue versus a tidal water issue.

12:51

I I thought that tidal uh fluctuations was a bigger deal than what it is, and now I realize that the overland water coming across is probably the number one reason that we're having so many problems.

13:04

I also really truly did not realize until the presentation that how much of our water issue starts in the northeast part of our city and flows to the southwest.

13:18

And um that if we can stop some of, you know, take care of some of the water up in the northeast section, the less of it'll come down to the southwest section.

13:29

So that was uh helpful for me to hear as well.

13:33

Um the last thing in terms of what I'm trying to accomplish tonight, I would like to suggest that we don't need to be going into the funding issue tonight.

13:44

There's gonna be plenty of discussion about the funding issue, but I think we have to have a little bit of a clearer path about how we want to proceed first, and also I would like to hear the vulnerability study, which is going to be presented in January before we start looking at the monetary uh consequences.

14:06

So it's been asked of me too, why are we having this meeting tonight?

14:12

Well, part of it is because I think that what we were told last week was some of the biggest information that we've received from the DIS in many years, and certainly with financial consequences, and I did not feel comfortable getting all that information and not talking about it until January.

14:31

And when when I got together with staff to see if we could pull it off before January, I found that there wasn't a lot of flexibility between everybody's schedules, meaning the staff, in terms of when they could make this happen.

Discussion Breakdown — Share of Meeting
Stormwater Management█████████████████████████████████████████████60%
Flood Management██████████████18%
Public Comment████████10%
Parks and Recreation████5%
Public Engagement██3%
Technology and Innovation██2%
Procedural█1%
Comprehensive Planning█1%
Summary of Proceedings

Gulfport City Council Workshop on Watershed Management Plan – November 25, 2025

This workshop, held on Tuesday, November 25, 2025, at 4:00 PM at Gulfport City Hall, focused on the findings and recommendations of the Watershed Management Plan (WMP) presented by Mr. Justin Keller, President of Advanced Engineering & Design. Mayor Love opened the meeting by emphasizing stormwater as the city's top priority and comparing the $13.5 million spent on sewer improvements over the past 9.5 years to the estimated $75 million needed for the six proposed WMP projects. The council discussed the defined level of service, project development assumptions, and the possibility of using green spaces for flood storage. Public comments raised concerns about flooding in specific neighborhoods and sought clarity on maps and technical terms. The council directed staff to evaluate the use of several parks (Climber, Caldwell, Hoyt, and the 19th Avenue circle) as potential flood storage areas.

Public Comments & Testimony

  • Shauna Stone (3014 DuPont Street) : Expressed concern that the focus on creating "pretty parks" may distract from fixing drainage systems; reported flooding in her garage from moderate rain and wakes from drivers. Urged the council to address drainage in Town Shores, especially 58th Street and 30th/29th/31st areas.
  • Anna (unidentified last name) : Questioned the effectiveness of a drain at the lowest point (59th & 27th) and asked about the path of water from 27th/26th onto 59th Street. Also asked why Wood Ibis pond was not dredged to lower water levels.
  • Laura Oldaney (9th Avenue South) : Asked about available funding (Mayor clarified $75 million estimated for six projects vs. $13.5 million spent on sewer). Requested clearer maps for public understanding and suggested involving Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council, Forward Pinellas, and rainwater expert Diane Willis for additional ideas. Also suggested analog solutions like signs in flood-prone areas.
  • Bob (unidentified last name) : Described contacting a pump project manager from Xylem Pumps who works with Pinellas County, Treasure Island, and Indian Rocks. Handed out drawings and suggested leasing high-capacity pumps (4,000–8,000 GPM) to move stormwater to the bay. Noted that pumping could reduce standing water and sediment issues.
  • Michael Thornton (3014 DuPont Street) : A mechanical engineer, he praised the model but asked specific technical questions: whether the report considered historical impacts of Town Shores development and beach parking lot/rec center elevation blocking watershed, whether check valves at outfalls were evaluated, and whether over-pumping during tailwater events (between 1.78 and 3.5 feet NAVD 88) was considered as a mitigation measure.
  • Scott Bernstein (Skimmer Point) : Asserted that rainwater on 59th Street flows into a culvert under the guard house and into PYCC, not back to Ibis. Expressed concern that converting parks to water features could pose drowning risks for children during sudden storms. Suggested coordinating with PYCC country club’s planned expansion to align drainage infrastructure.
  • Anonymous speaker : Requested simplified, publicly-available materials (slides, explanations) for non-experts, noting that acronyms like BMP were not defined.

Discussion Items

  • Mayor Love’s Overview: Stated stormwater is Gulfport's number one issue; highlighted the WMP presentation as a major step. Asked council to address the defined level of service (0, 6, 9 inches of water on streets) and project development assumptions (e.g., not buying homes for stormwater storage). Noted that the vulnerability study will be presented in January 2026, and that funding discussions will be deferred until after that study.
  • Justin Keller’s Technical Presentation: Explained that most problematic water originates from the northeast (PYCC basin) and cascades southwest. Addressed cross-boundary water from St. Pete (Bear Creek, 49th Street basin) and concluded that St. Pete water does not significantly impact PYCC. Discussed link-node diagrams and modeling assumptions; acknowledged maps were difficult to read. Responded to council questions about dredging Wood Ibis (explained that it is a wet pond at groundwater level, so dredging would not lower water). Offered to provide recovery floodplains showing how quickly water recedes after storms.
  • Councilmember Shaw: Requested more legible maps with legends and a written report; noted that the presentation slides were difficult to interpret and that the full report is due by end of 2025. Suggested that park conversions (e.g., Climber Park) could serve dual purposes.
  • Councilmember Early: Asked about BMP 6 (Marina Tidal Flooding Mitigation) – specifically the public-facing platform and sensors for roadway inundation. Learned that these are part of a pilot program to replace backflow valves. Agreed that some projects seem like no-brainers.
  • Vice Mayor Thanos: Expressed comfort with the defined level of service. Questioned the assumption that parks should remain entirely green; proposed using parks (Climber, Caldwell, Yolanda, Hoyt) as holding ponds to reduce costs and avoid tearing up Gulfport Boulevard. Mentioned the low-lying property at 59th & 27th as a potential pond site.
  • Councilmember Early (continued): Noted that BMP 2 and BMP 3 are sequential to avoid adverse downstream impacts. Supported looking at green space use.
  • Mayor Love: Summarized consensus that green space is not off the table; council wants to explore using parks for stormwater storage. Directed staff to have the engineer evaluate specific parks: Climber, Caldwell, Hoyt, and the 19th Avenue circle.

Key Outcomes

  • The council unanimously agreed that using city-owned green space (parks) for flood storage should be evaluated, reversing the project assumption that parks remain entirely green. Specific parks mentioned: Climber, Caldwell, Hoyt, and the 19th Avenue circle.
  • The council directed Mr. Keller to prepare recovery floodplains (post-storm water depths) to show how quickly water drains from streets, which could help prioritize pipe upgrades.
  • The council asked for more user-friendly maps with legends and a simplified public summary of the WMP findings.
  • The vulnerability study will be presented in January 2026; funding discussions will occur after that.
  • The engineer will review the potential of using the low-lying parcel at 59th & 27th as a pond, though initial assessment suggested it may be too small to make a significant impact.
  • The council will consider pump station options but recognized that the magnitude of stormwater (600 CFS) may exceed typical pump capacities (17 CFS).
  • No votes were taken; the meeting was a workshop for discussion and direction.

Meeting Transcript

We always start on time. So welcome to uh everybody who was able to make it here tonight for our workshop. I think this is the fourth workshop we're having in eight months. Um trying to talk out things. So um we're gonna start with um roll call. Vice Mayor Thanos here. Councilmember Shaw present. Council Member Early Present. Mayor Love here. City Manager O'Reilly. Here. City Clerk Carico is present. Um Councilmember Jackson has asked me excuse me. All righty. So let's let me kind of start with a just a little bit of an overview, all right. Um I don't know how many of you I think a few of you might have been present for the presentation. We were um it was very overwhelming. Uh a lot of terms and acronyms that were uh not uh in my wheelhouse because I'm not an engineer. Um but I am extremely grateful to get the presentation. We needed it, we needed to, you know, start the forward motion and to me just hearing the presentation was the way to kick it off. Um as far as I'm concerned, and I don't know if everyone would agree with me, but I think that uh storm water is the number one issue in Gulfport. Um and the biggest one that we have to get um figure out how to get our wrap our heads around and what to how to move forward it with fixing it. Um I did ask enough questions that I was able to find out that um though there were a few improvements made in the nineties in Ward Four and the tangerine stormwater slash quality water improvement was made approximately fifteen years ago. Besides that, we have a very old system that was designed for life a long time ago. I think isn't our city about a hundred and twenty-five years old now? Okay. So um you know, we have an antiquated system and the fact that we've had so much weather change recently and that the storms came our way made us really aware that this has to be number one in our book. So just to kind of put it all into perspective why I might suggest that it was overwhelming. Approximately ten years ago, our previous city council decided to move forward on working on our um sewer system. And they put into place a 10-year program, and I think we're at about year nine, nine and a half on that right now. So to just kind of help you understand that the money, year today, so far in the last nine and a half years, we've spent $13.5 million on improvements in our sewer system. Okay. Based on the presentation the other night, if we were to move forward and complete the six projects in today's dollars, we're looking at 75 million. So 13 and a half million, 75 million. Needless to say, this is a big ticket item that needs some conversation. And of course, you've heard me say many times that how do you eat an elephant one bite at a time? Well, this is a gigantic elephant. So somebody asked, I think Vice Mayor Thanos asked me at the last meeting, what are we going to talk about? Okay, so let me just kind of say what my goals are here today. And of course, they can everybody can talk about anything they want to, but this would be my goals. I would like to think that as each of the council members would address uh the defined level of service that was presented to us and address whether they think that that is acceptable or not, and kind of compare that defined level of service to reality. Um when I say reality, I'm just suggesting that we do live in a coastal town right on the water, and uh uh the water's not receding, and it's not possible for a small city to fix everything for everybody in every circumstance. So decisions have to be made, all right. So that's one thing. I'm hoping we get we'll address a little bit the defined level of service. The second thing is I would like it if the council would address uh if they're comfortable, the uh project development assumptions. The that was a page that was made just before we went into the details of each of the projects. For example, one of the project development assumptions that was made was that we don't want to buy up homes to store to uh store our stormwater. So I would like for um council members to address that if that's one of the things that they've looked into. I know I have some thoughts on that matter.

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